Byron from Seattle responds to the Hidden Horror of Elephant Shows, prompting a future episode on Seaworld. The Spectacular John and Andi explore the concept of looming water wars -- and just how easy it is for terrorists to hack small-town water facilities. Emily and Mark weigh in on the past, present and future of apprenticeships. Tune in for all this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
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Speaker 5 (01:32):
Jeez, Louise, Oh geez, Louis, I love that.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
At this point, it's an open question, Dylan, whether that
is Alex Jones or Tim Highdecker playing Alex Jones.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
I'm a big fan of Tim Highdeker as.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Alex j We're a whole new person who.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
May have died last week's No.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What Wait what?
Speaker 7 (02:02):
In the last episode of the Onions in for Wars,
Tim Hideker may have died.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh Tim, I don't know why I said it, like
it's his fault. Tim, what'd you do?
Speaker 8 (02:14):
Man? What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Maybe he was tying it into Oh guys, I forgot
to tell you. I learned about a new holiday just
we We got a couple of quick things at the
top this evening. Did you know that August eleventh is
a national holiday in Japan? It's called Mountain Day?
Speaker 8 (02:32):
Oh yeah, And I was going to say it's it's
also a certain special somebody's birthday, and.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
That's that's that's it's it's a holiday that was started
in twenty fourteen expressly for mountain Mountain Day.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's mountain Day.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
So what don do on mountain Day? One one that
attends to scale a mountain, to appreciate a mountain to
I mean, if you're in you know, certain parts of
your you can see a mountain off in the middle
distance most.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Of the time.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I think it's the promote tourism. I was wondering
why so so many things were closed, but it's, you
know what it was.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Recently it was soft served Day, just soft quick, quick,
quick call out, so ridiculous history. The Carvel ice Cream
Company h where I am out here in New Yorker
and Queens, that is the ice cream of choice. And
historically we are in Carvel Town and they have still
some of the old buildings that they look the same
as they obviously did like in the you know, the
fifties and sixties. But yeah, it was it was a soft.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Served day like yesterday, Happy soft Served Day, Happy Mountain Day.
To those who celebrate, those who celebrate, we've got we've
got more stuff at the top of lisser mail. I
think we've all got stuff on our minds today.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Well.
Speaker 8 (03:52):
And also happy birthday month to to to three of us.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah yeah, we did it. We got old. Yeah yeah yeah. Hey,
and it's summertime and that means the heat is on
the street. Guys, guess what. Guess what electric companies are
going around, specifically my electric company and Electric Membership Corporation.
(04:18):
You're going around putting these brand new, spanking electric smart
meters on people's houses. They let a lot of us know,
at least in my area last week. Actually they lived
know last week or maybe two weeks ago even, but
just a couple of days ago, they came around. The
guy rang the doorbell while I was down here in
(04:41):
the in the basement and said, hey, it's this isn't
gonna do anything to your house. You don't have to
do anything at all. We are going to switch the
meter out. You won't even see a power go out
or anything like that. It's gonna be fine. Okay, he
went and he did it, and then guess what happened next?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Go up. Everything was great.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Everything was great, except for the AC went out. Wow,
that's air conditioning. I don't know if you guys remember
our little harrowing tale last summer where it was out
for like a crazy number of days. I think it
was eleven days, no no AC in our house. But
it went out like the moment they switched it out,
and you know, coincidence, probably probably, hopefully, hopefully it's a coincidence.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
I hope so too, Matt. But last point of order
before we take our quick break. Is there a difference
between four wheel drive and all wheel drive?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Oh, I think you can turn on and off four
wheel drive. All wheel drive is always on.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's always on. Yeah, that's why it's just like this show.
Just like this show, we're totally fine and we're all
mentally well. So nobody asked us further questions about that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The whole point of bringing up the AC, guys, is
just I don't know if you'll have noticed just how
stinking hot it's been and seeing the actual data and
metrics from July getting the hottest month on record ever,
and with the humidity that's occurring at least in our
region right now because of the constant storms that are
coming through, just what that's doing to human beings that
(06:16):
are outside working all day's It is insane and I'm
just imagining I'm imagining it getting worse. But well, I
don't know, just out of a thing of caution, if
you're going to be outside, freaking hydrate, please good God.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And also shout out to everybody who is pursued a
career in the trades that forces you to be outside.
We talked a lot in the past and recently about apprenticeships.
We're going to follow up on some of that as well.
We also recently had a new iteration in our discussion
(06:51):
about the vulnerability of infrastructure rights as the weather changes,
but also as big powers get into a new level
of asymmetrical warfare. Waterfair Does Waterfair work?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Does it ever? And we're back jumping right into a
message from the spectacular John. That's not his exact nickname,
but I sort of, you know, freestyled that from some
text in his missive It's kind of fun, right, So
I would love that if someone nicknamed me that, So
(07:28):
I'm sticking with it. Here we go, interesting discussion about
terrorists going after small town water supplies versus a metro
area like New York City. We were talking a bit
off Mike about this guy's And this is in reference
to a recent discovery of potential cyber attacks by Iran
against municipal water supplies I believe in Minnesota, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah. Originally, the attacks that we're occurring on water infrastrutructure
throughout the United States were reported by the presidential administration
to be the fault of Tim Waltz, politician who was
in the running for part of the presidential campaign a
while back. That's because these attacks, as reported earlier on
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Strange News, largely were recurring in Minnesota. However, the FBI
made a statement where they said, we think it's aron,
So do check out our conversation about that if you
haven't heard it yet.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Well, and also given Tim Waltz's political position, it would
make sense that the rhetoric would be a way of
mudslinging against that man and his you know region. In particular,
the point that we made I believe guys, when we
were talking about this that John is referencing here the
spectacular John, is that it might be an easier move
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for you know, a bad actor to target smaller municipalities
and more off the beaten pathwaters applies, rather than making
a big show of hitting like a huge region like
New York City. Let's go further into John's perspective here
going on, It would be easier, he says, to our
(09:13):
point by a lot to bang out small towns.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
First.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
The NYC water supply comes from a series of lakes,
such as the Katona Reservoir and others. These are massive
bodies of water in and around Westchester and Putnam Counties.
After nine to eleven, road access to the water's edge
of these lakes were blocked with twenty foot piles of dirt,
making them impossible for terrorists who might try to dump
poison into the lake. You'd need multiple dump trucks of
(09:39):
poison to contaminate the New York City water supply. So
what I'm saying is that the New York City water
supply really isn't poisonable by the way the water travels
to the city via giant pipes called the aqueduct, which
moves the water to the city. The pipes are buried,
and it actually is a pretty excellent running trail in
that area where they're buried. Next time you're in hastings
(10:01):
On Hudson. Making a note of this, John ask for
directions to the aqueduct where you're running shoes. It's spectacular.
I do wonder if that would also be appropriate for cycling, John,
because that sounds like a good time. I'm going to
look into it, guys. I just think this is worth
further discussion. I did a little bit of digging, and
John makes a really good point about the unpoisonability of
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a water supply as massive as that which feeds the
New York City area. It's a matter of dilution, right,
because you know, you would have to have so much
of this contaminant in order for it to actually make
a dent in terms of it, you know, making the
end product do anything but just mildly sicken you know,
(10:47):
the end consumer. So that's not really on the table
per se. So when it comes to like how could
water supplies be weaponized, the idea of poisoning it against
the population is really not something that we have to
be super concerned about because it's just not particularly practical.
Had this occurred to you, guys, because I hadn't really
thought about it in these terms.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think our discussion was more on hacking of the
technology responsible for things like filtering and purifying, right, and
we're getting there.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
But I'm just curious as to y'all's thoughts on you know,
you think about the ultimate terrorist super villain, you know,
move of poisoning the water supply, and maybe that would
be more doable in some of these smaller areas, but
for a massive place like New York City or maybe
even Los Angeles area, it's not impossible.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
In my mind, a terrifying attack wouldn't be pre purification process.
It would be post so it would be putting things
in the water supply, you know, just as it's leaving
the major facilities, right, the major municipal water supplies.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
But even then though, the volume would still have to
be massive, and like, what are the means for injecting
it into that after the five It seems like the
best way to do that would be to poison the
accessible part. So you're saying someone would have to infiltrate
the facilities that are purifying it and then somehow managed
to inject it after the fact, and it would still
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have to be a massive, massive amount of contaminant.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, No, you're you make a great point there, and no,
and I think I think you're right. I just I
do think that line between poisoning and breaking or disabling
the infrastructure. We just have to make it.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
No, we are, and we're definitely going to. I guess
I'm just trying to make an effort to check one
thing off of our list of existential terrors that maybe,
you know, bad actors poisoning the water that we drink
in that direct way is maybe not as much of
a thing. However, what we did discuss in that strange
news story that Ben brought is the idea of causing
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these systems to break down where the purification could be compromised,
and perhaps letting things like maybe raw sewage, you know,
get into drinking water and things like that. And there
have been multiple instances of these types of attacks. It
seems like they may well be on the rise in
the twenty twenties. I actually there were a few of
(13:11):
these I didn't know about, and another one in particular
that was also perpetrated by the nation of Iran. This
one in particular was allegedly correct Ben, thank you. This
one took place in Pennsylvania in twenty twenty three. The
Municipal Water Authority of Aliquippa. In November twenty twenty three,
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the Unitronics Vision Series Programmable Logic Controller or PLC that's
used by the water authority. There was compromised. Attackers linked
to an Iranian backed you know, a hacker group I
guess called cyber Avengers with a three in place of
the E were able to gain access by exploiting and
(13:54):
here's here's the Kicker factory default passwords that had not
been changed. So it's not like this even required an
elaborate attack. It was literally they just like people had
not changed the passwords to gain access to some of
this incredibly crucial equipment, and we're talking about things like
password one two, seven, eight nine. They were able to
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alter the screen displays to show a message stating that
they had been hacked, and they caused the pump to
start and stop remotely, though the plant operators were able
to manly really override these systems to ensure that the
water was not compromised.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and Blake was seeing the strange news stuff obviously
allegedly is a little bit of a fig leaf that
we have to we have to have in this reporting.
The primary issue there are two things here. Spectacular John
and I love that nickname nol As we're as we
pointed out earlier two different types of compromise. The more
(14:55):
difficult one is going to be physically inserting some kind
the contaminant into the water supply. As as Matt indicated,
getting their post treatment is would be the option, right
and as you indicate it, NOL, that would still require
a huge amount of whatever that substance is.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The issue is if you get into either the pre
or post waste treatment process, there are going to be
detection methods on either side of the pipe, as it were,
that will let authorities know when do shut stuff down.
That's why the second option, spectacular John, is the remote
(15:38):
access hacking. Oh, the password for your admin is admin. Well,
now we don't have to put poison in from a
foreign source. All we have to do is get that
admin access and then we can force things that already
exist in the waste treatment plant, like sodium hydroxide. We
can force that lie to crazy level that would be
(16:00):
dangerous for human beings. Again, that'll get sensed and people
can shut it down. But also now you're removing water
from a community.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
Perfect reference been to what happened in Oldsmar, Florida, and
twenty twenty one is often cited as kind of like
a turning point in you know, the realization that these
types of cyber attacks are serious business and authorized user
access to water treatment plants remote access software.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Called team Viewer, which I.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
Think we've used that before, something along those lines in
any case, waste no, but Teamviewer it just seems like
it's sort of like a remote desktop access.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think it is.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
I think we've used it for like, you know, taking
over someone's desktop to get tech support done, something along
those lines. So I think it's literally that's what. It's
more universal than just for water treatment plants. The intruder
was able to increase those sodium hydroxide LIE levels to
one hundred parts per million from rather the acceptable one
hundred parts per millions per million. However, there are and
(17:03):
this is another case to be made for human intervention
and not completely aiifying and automating this stuff, because a
plant operator did notice some of these levels going a
little wonky and he was able to manually override that
system as well.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it's it's usually going to come down to the
redundancies that we have for monitoring stuff going in, stuff
going out, and what happens when that stuff being water
is there, and Spectacular John, thank you for the hiking
biking recommendation. We'd love to take you up with that.
(17:40):
It's it's still guys. The thing that is chilling to
me here in what we call the post truth environment
of you know, NonStop news, is the fact that this
could happen any any small town in the United States
that still has there ad been word as ADMIN. So guys,
(18:01):
if you work there, hear us, hear me, well change password. Okay.
I don't know if they have two factor authentication for
water treatment plants, but I sure hope somebody gets a
text every time soon logs in. And then, you know,
we haven't even got to spectacular John. You'll have to
(18:23):
write back to us and let us know your thoughts
about power plants too, because a lot of the electrical grid,
which I called electrical for some reason, no pun left behind,
a lot of the electric grid is laboring under the
same lack of security for sure.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
And I just wanted to reference one last thing that
Spectacular John mentioned post nine to eleven changes, like there
was something called the Bioterrorism Act of two thousand and
two that did require more than thirty three hundred individuals
working in these types of water treatment facilities to take
new kind of certifications that would give them deeper insight
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into vulnerability assessments and also updated emergency plans and stuff.
But again that's back in two thousand and two, so
we know a lot has changed in the technology since then.
But I just I hadn't really thought about how this
would have been lumped in with all of the homeland
security initiatives. You know that took place Post nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Very much, so look at railroad security as well.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Dude, just the last thing from this this email, and
we keep thinking about the well you guys are talking
about the small town infrastructure versus big cities and those
kinds of things. In my mind when I was thinking
about in the episode. After listening back, I was like, yeah, dude,
obviously like hearing myself talk, Yeah, obvious. You guys are
making such good points about the small towns and why
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you would attack there, And it was so obvious to
me hearing it back. But I keep thinking about the
overall impact of an attack. If you're you know, a
state actor and you're choosing to attack another country and
then measuring the impact of that attack and trying to
imagine the real world impact of disabling municipal water systems
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or electrical grid systems in a town of one hundred
thousand people versus you know, a small island in the
northeast that holds like four million people every day who
commute in and out of there and is responsible for
over two trillion dollars of annual revenue for that country. Like,
attacking that place has real impact on a country that
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you were at war with, but you know, versus just
doing that terrorism fear thing right that you guys were
talking about.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Well, it's a show of force, but it also would
have real world implications in terms of the finances of
it all. Right now, it also almost seems like, you know,
in this current conflict with Iran, for example, they're kind
of getting the drift that messing with our money is
an even better method to get us to do what
they want than you know, bombing.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Stuff like maybe having black Rock and Blackstone and all
these people gather together five hundred billion dollars to invest
in Nvidia, which is did just hit the news like
force us to put all of our money in one thing,
and now securities and everything all in one thing.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
They said, Mom, said, don't put all your eggs in
one basket. Well, anyway, I think that's it for me. Guys,
Thank you spectacular John for that food for thought. We're
gonna take a quick break here we're from our sponsor,
and then we'll be back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
What's that quote, you guys that former President Kennedy said
when he was talking about the moon. He gets quoted
all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well you go to the code not because it is easy,
but because it is God as me with Marilyn Manoel.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Rock baby, Yeah, I always there is a line in that.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't know if this is look it up. There's
a I think there's a line in there in that
highly quoted thing where he says to go to the
moon and do the other things, where he's just like,
we're gonna go to the moon and all the other
things because there are I don't know why that struck
me as so funny. Just presidential speeches always seem so curated,
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you know, until recently.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We choose to go to the moon in this decade
and do the other things not because they are easy,
but because they are hot. Like me, when they were
letting the room jumped out of the cake. I throw
my back out.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh oh, poor guy, poor guy. We feel for him.
I think we all know what that's like. Somebody jumps
out of a cake. Crack us out well, speaking of
jumping out of cakes, now, not really. We were going
to hear from Mark, who wrote into us on August
tenth after we talked about apprenticeships. And we've talked about
(23:02):
that many a time, Ben, I know specifically you've brought
that up a couple of times, just as such a
positive thing and trade schools and the trades, and as
we've talked about on the show a lot, as a
potential fix to the conundrum of you going heavily in
debt for college only to not have a job because
there's no more market for that thing that you went
(23:25):
to college for. Learning a trade, specifically through an apprenticeship
and a master at that trade, is a way to
get around that and actually have something to do in
your local community as well as potentially for your state
or on the national level if you get good enough.
So you've got to get good first, that's important. That's
why the apprenticeship is so important. So let's hear from Mark.
(23:47):
Here we go Greeting's fellow conspiracy realists. You can call
me Mark. I love the show and this is my
first time writing in. Matt mentioned apprenticeships on a recent
Listener Mail episode, and I wanted to share my experience
as a union carpenter. I started a four year commercial
carpentry apprenticeship program in twenty eighteen for the Eastern Atlantic
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States Regional Council of Carpenters. Keep that in your mind,
write it down. Maybe we're going to talk about it
a little more. It's probably a cool thing to look
up if you're interested in carpentry in general. Mark says
he's been a carpenter for almost eight years now. Once
I was accepted into the program, I had to attend
mandatory training for four weeks out of each year. You
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have to buy basic hand tools, but you get to
keep them forever, which in itself teaches responsibility. That's super cool, Mark.
My local training facility has classrooms and spaces built for
hands on learning. They teach you in the classroom, then
you go out and you actually build stuff in various shops.
I learned about basic carpentry, finish carpentry, print reading, first aid, CPR, welding,
(24:54):
and plenty more. Just to cut from Mark for a second, Ben,
I thought it was really interesting specifically that you're that
he was taught first aid in CPR within that apprenticeship
program as a part of it. I didn't I didn't
think that would be a thing. But I suppose when
you're working, you know, in a workshop doing carpentry with
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all of those various tools that are extremely useful and
helpful and precise, but also freaking dangerous, it might be
good to have CPR and first aid knowledge.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely. Yeah, And that's a great point, Mark m. You also,
you also, as a longtime listener, already know what I'm
gonna say. No matter what your job is, no matter
what you do with your life, there's nothing wrong with
not having a job if that works for you. As
a matter of fact, not having a job is cool
for this conversation because it means you have more time
(25:50):
to get your CPR and first first Aid certification. So please,
just like we always say, get a passport now, Americans,
because it's just gonna get harder, get your certifications now.
The best day was yesterday. Uh, the second best day,
seriously is now. With treat it like a you know,
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if you want to be really weird, and you're you're
dating somebody and you get tired of like going out
to dinner or the movies on a Saturday, or you
keep hiking the same trail. Make a day of it.
Go learn CPR. You will be so happy that you did.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I know, never know.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, I knows. I didn't mean this a purpose, but
I know it sounds like I just somehow threatened people
that don't know CPR. Like, you'll be happy you did.
You'll be happy you did. But seriously, it's it is
something common in a lot of in a lot of
the trades, and it's common for a reason. Yeah. Sorry,
(26:53):
I yield my time. The coffee is kicking.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That's why I thought you've been when when it was
even mentioned in there. Mark also says he learned welding
and plenty more things like other things. It's cool to
learn welding doing carpentry apprenticeship. That's you forget that. Oh yeah,
A lot of wooden things that you would create with
carpentry require medals, so you connect those things often and
(27:17):
do cool stuff with metal. To continue with Mark here,
I've worked with a lot of really smart men and
women in the trades. The old timers are especially fun
to work with. They will teach you a lot if
you pay attention and you have a good attitude. It's
expected and encouraged that journeymen teach the incoming apprentices. This
is the mentality of a brotherhood that's really interesting and cool.
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We have a mentor program in my local that I'm
a part of. We want the apprentices to feel comfortable
asking questions so they can learn safe skills that will
help them succeed in this career path. I actually started
the apprenticeship shortly after getting a degree in journalism. Uh
oh oh, we're familiar with that, and faced a tough
job market it. I was considering all my options at
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the time, and joining a trade union wasn't something I
was expecting to do. But working with my hands has
actually been really, really good for me. The work is
tough sometimes, but it is rewarding in its own way.
And Mark signs off there, guys, I just thought this
was a great first person perspective on this thing. I've
never been to a trade school had an apprenticeship like that.
(28:25):
Closest thing I've had and Ben you've had is in
internship I think unless you have apprentice somewhere and I
just don't know. But we just cut our teeth putting
metadata into computers, which is not the same thing as
doing the things you learned in that way.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
I mean, it is always a fantastic experience to learn
anything from someone who is better at it than you are.
And I've had, you know, great opportunities in my life
to like work with you know you guys, I mean
under you guys. I learned so much in the early
days of podcasting, but also like musicians and you know,
studio engineers and things like that. I mean, there is
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nothing that can quite replace the experience of working directly
with someone who has more, you know, real world experience
than you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh dude, I would know nothing about my job or
what to do, and I if weren't for Roxanne Reed
and Jerry Roland, if those two people didn't exist, I
wouldn't have ever learned how to, you know, shoot correctly,
even though I went to college and got a degree,
I wouldn't know how to do it in the real
world if it weren't for those two human beings. And
(29:29):
I wouldn't know how to edit correctly and all that
other stuff. It weren't for people been that we've been
working with since we started, including Tyler, who is a
big part of our company right now. Just shouting shouting
out folks who are a little older than you, who've
been at it for longer, who just have so much experience.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yes, yes, although Tyler is technically younger than us, but.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, but that dude's an old soul.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He's an old soul was he was bored in his sixties.
Mar There's something from a couple of other lives that
I know you'll agree with, and guys I think will
all agree with it as well as you friends and neighbors.
Fellow conspiracy realist tuning in along at home. Quick pro
tip at your if you're choosing a vocation or you're
(30:19):
getting a gig, right in your first week of the gig,
find the oldest, most haggard person there. They don't have
to be the boss, right. It's kind of like how
a long time sergeant or drill sergeant will often have
a better lay of the land than the new lieutenant,
(30:40):
or the way that a registered nurse who's been at
the hospital forever will have a better grasp of stuff
than the shiny new surgeon and sorry, surgeons. I know
you guys have a well, you know the joke about surgeons, right, Like,
what's the difference between God and a surgeon? God doesn't
think he's a surgeon. Oh, that's a mean one. I'm
(31:06):
gonna feel bad if we ever go under for that.
Then this person listens to the show. But find, like
Matt was saying, find find the elder voices, right, their
position in an official hierarchy doesn't really matter. What you
have to look for is the people who have had
the opportunity to make all the mistakes that you would
(31:27):
have made. And that's actually how the four of us
counting Tennessee as well, that's how we often talk with
people who are new to our vocation. We're saying we're
not the leaders, we're not the experts. Nobody really is.
We've just been around long enough to make most of
the conceivable mistakes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's what That's what you're looking We've got plenty more too, We've.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Got plenty more on the ways.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
That's what experience means at the end of the day, right,
Like your experience in learning how the right way to
do something, and you knows the wrong way to do something.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, don't do that. That's five to ten. Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, sorry, I'll sir, I didn't know I could.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Last thing I want to do for this one, Marcus,
to shout out the Eastern Atlantic States Regional Council of Carpenters.
It is. It's a cool situation there. If you check
them out, it is Eascarpenters dot org. And I'm just
gonna read this tiny little thing from their about page
because it's just kind of a cool thing to shout out.
The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, also
(32:40):
known as UBC, was founded in eighteen eighty one, you guys,
when thirty six delegates from fourteen local unions across eleven
cities came together to form a unified organization with a
stronger collective voice. Their goals to negotiate fair terms with employers,
secure shorter workdays, improve wages, and ensure work opportunities were
(33:02):
shared amongst members is and it goes on just to
tout the numbers, and it's pretty crazy high numbers. The
number of local unions six hundred and seventy nine, a
bunch of two over two thousand locals and today the
UBC represents over half a million members. So it's just
(33:24):
when I think about carpentry, you guys, true skilled carpentry
that is represented by members of this organization. I don't
imagine there are that many. In my mind's I I
don't imagine there are that many incredibly skilled carpenters out there,
but there are. And guess what we could use more
of skilled carpenters. Sure, you know, skilled welders, skilled humans
(33:49):
that know how to work with things and create stuff.
It does feel like humanity has gone a little bit
too into these computer things. Looking at myself here in
the mirror, when it comes to having true skills that
you can apply in the world, like physically in the world.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
What a loss for you know, historically for those things
just to like die off entirely, which is what happens
when you lean so heavily into AI and automation and
machine learning. It's just like those parts of that drive
to learn kind of goes away. You sort of outsource it,
and then those crafts without the hard work of the folks,
(34:31):
you know, preserving the legacy of these kind of crafts,
like these these unions that we're talking about, could just
die off entirely. So, you know, I'd like to think
that there is an analog backlash to the digital sort
of imposition that is AI and automation. Just like you know,
a lot of kids these days really like antiquated technology,
(34:53):
vinyl records, reading physical books instead of using the internet,
getting more into handcrafts and things like that. I think
there is a bit of a backlash with some of these,
you know, Jen, what is it gen z kids? So
you do like to see that and that's promising.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Agreed, Well, thank you so much, Mark for giving us
your experience there and putting us on to the UBC
in the EA s R C C. Let's jump quickly
to the phone lines to Emily, who called us also
about apprenticeship experience.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Hey, my name is Emily and I just finished listening
up to the listener mail and y'all we're talking about
apprenticeships and the rise of AI. I am a career
glass Flower and started with an apprenticeship. It was a
very meaningful way to, you know, to start my career,
and I have taken on apprentices as you know, worked
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in my field. AI makes me nervous that people are
going to not want to do apprenticeships anymore specifically, because
you cant so many corners. You know, why sit with
someone and go through all of the apprenticeship process when
you could chat GPT it and maybe you'll get the
right answer and you know, figure it out yourself. As
(36:13):
my I guess answer to that problem, if and when
I have a child, I would like to offer them
an apprenticeship when they turn at fifteen, so on their
fifteenth birthday, you know, they'll know it's coming that they
can start working with me as a glass flower, and
then when they're eighteen, they'll be a full fledged professional
if they want to go to college, or if they
want to start working in the field, or you know,
(36:36):
whatever they want to do. I think that would be
a good way to get an apprenticeship out of the
way and kind of fight the rise of AI in
my own little way. Anyway, love the show, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I wow, thank you, Emily. I think that is a
great idea. Like in you guys, we've talked before about
this concept of a gap year. I don't know how
popular that is these days. I've spoken to a few
people of our generation who have kids who, like you know,
the kids take a couple of years off or maybe
more before heading out to university or college or something
(37:10):
I do wonder like in our previous listener mail we
talked about that. I think it was changing. The concept
was changing grade school to end a little early and
then start an apprenticeship from like sixteen to twenty or
something like that. A pretty great concept here, also presented
by Emily of just letting her child right do the
same thing, but maybe under her I love that idea,
(37:33):
keeping it in the family. Even I don't know. I
Noel not to call you out. I just know you
have some experience with glass working, like being in your
home and around you, and just if you had any thoughts.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
A good friend of mine who used to date and
live together now we're dear friends, is a stained glass artist,
and she actually owns a shop that supplies these supplies
needed to make stained glass, which includes like all the
raw materials that glass itself. So it's not the same
as blowing glass, but it is. You get these raw
materials and then you fuse them together to make these
designs with like solder, and it's a whole thing. But
(38:10):
she has always a big part of her business model
is teaching classes, and that is the exact thing that
we're talking about. It's not exactly apprenticeships per se, but
it is passing on that knowledge you know, directly, and
sure you can chat GPT a lot of things, but
it's not the same process as learning from a human
and carrying on that kind of I don't know if
(38:32):
this is the right term, but like oral tradition of
like passing down a skill or whatever. And you know,
I was interested in, like, you know what with all
of this kind of I don't know, focus on AI.
It almost seems like that backlash I was talking about
could have led to potentially higher interest in trade schools,
and it does appear that that's true. There is a
(38:54):
rise in interest and enrollment in trade skilled pathways for
your universe. She these are still a little more common overall,
but there is a rise, and I could see that
going further when we are looking to, you know, perhaps
increase the focus on those hand kind of made sort
of skills, you know, in the face of AI aiifcation.
(39:19):
But yeah, it was really cool to see her pass
on that, you know, that knowledge directly to other folks
who then I have seen either start making art and
selling it themselves or even starting their own businesses. And
I just think we're gonna need to start seeing more
of that because one thing that we've talked about too,
that AI has sort of and you know, a lot
of the focus on living in this kind of social
(39:41):
media bubble is a lack of community and a lack
of physical shared spaces and shared community that isn't just online.
And this kind of trade stuff and apprenticeships is another
great way of, you know, kind of fostering community.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Amazing agreed. Please go to apprenticeship dot gov if you're
interested in stuff and you're in the US. That is
a great resource to find an apprenticeship program near you.
It's actually super helpful and cool. You can also look
for apprenticeships for America dot orgh just another resource. Check
(40:19):
it out if you're interested and maybe find your place.
That's it for us for now. We'll be right back
after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Tello fellow conspiracy realist, we have returned with some messages
from you. Our first comes from Byron Byron from Seattle.
I hope things are going well in Seattle. Byron, you
write to us responding about our recent episode on the
conspiratorial hidden horrors of Elephant shows. You say the following, Hi, guys,
(40:57):
I just finished listening to our episode about the hidden
horrors of elephant shows. You brought back a memory from
when I was nine or ten years old in the
early seventies. I don't want a profile you, Byron, but
I'm assuming the nineteen seventies here. If it was earlier,
congratulations and let's hang out. So you say, my family
(41:18):
went to see the Shrine Circus at the Cincinnati Gardens.
They had all the usual circus shows, which I barely remember,
dogs riding bicycles, trapeze artists, etc. Afterwards, we went on
an elephant ride. This wasn't like what you see in
old movies where some royal rajaesque figure in robes rides
(41:40):
atop an elephant and some elegant carrier. The elephant was
Byron says, I believe, roped into a small pen with
a heavy steel enclosure tied to his back to keep
people from falling off. This enclosure was made of those
industrial steel bars, like what they use as barriers at
amusement park in a few other places. That's just nasty.
(42:03):
So we climbed on his back all four of us,
and somebody led him back and forth, so we walked
a few steps backwards and forwards. That was what we
got for my father's money. Even at that young age,
I had the feeling the elephant was not happy about
his life. Afterwards, you could walk around and see other
circus animals that were being kept in barren steel cages,
(42:26):
not the fake habitat like enclosures you see in modern zoos.
I remember, in particular, says Byron a Reesius, monkey trying
desperately to break open the door to his cage and
to get out. He did not look happy. Well, let's
pause there real quick, guys. Byron, thank you for sharing
this experience from Seattle. We've heard from a lot of
(42:48):
people who encountered those things. It made me think of
a couple things really quickly. Because Matt, you weren't there
for that show. I knew that Nolan and I got
to the point where we discovered some pretty pretty disturbing
aspects of the elephant show conspiracy and I might get
(43:10):
in trouble for this, but I remember hearing from folks
like my girlfriend who in Thailand as a child went
to a tiger quote unquote sanctuary where you, as a
child can get your picture with a tiger, and then
later in life, like so many other adults, learns that
(43:31):
the tigers are drugged heavily. Yeah. So, one thing that
Tennessee and Nolan and I opened up with in our
episode about elephant shows was when we had seen elephants, etc.
Et cetera. Matt, do you have elephant experience? Did you
see him in like circuses or zoo's anything like that.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Only experience with an elephant is that the Atlanta Zoo
just kind of watching them do their thing with their
unusually elongated trunks.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Sorry, I keep thinking about the YouTube video man, every
time we talk about.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, hey guys, I'm at the zoo, there is the elephants.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Ben I want to talk about that. But I do
have a sidebar here and it comes from from our
listener there about shrine circuses? Are these like? Is it
related to the Shriners, as in that organization associated with freemasonry?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh? Good question, because I know the Shriners throw a
heck of a parade. I think you're I think you're correct.
It is. Let's see, it is organized by Shriners International
to raise money for the hospitals, just like the parade.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
So so they have the circuses that had like the
elephant there to raise money for a hospital.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Okay, yeah, but an elephant hospital, right guys. Uh, just
a just a human hospital. Uh man.
Speaker 8 (45:06):
Well, but I think I think that one of the
aspects that we talked about on the episode that really
stuck with me was I think you may have seen
this firsthand, been or you were recounting someone else having
witnessed this, but seeing an elephant kind of snap into
its conditioning like out of nowhere, like that aspect of
(45:27):
it was really tough, almost like they've been like brainwashed.
And I think the key takeaway for me too was
that it's something that a lot of people know, you know,
the idea of an elephant never forgets. But these are
incredibly intelligent, uh empathetic, uh, deeply feeling creatures, and to
do this to them, I mean, this kind of stuff
with animals of any kind, but certainly higher order quote
unquote mammals like this, I mean, it's just it's tantamount
(45:51):
to torture, you know. I mean, they're they're like this
this image of an elephant kind of walking around. Then
all of a sudden like having like a brain zapp
where all of a sudden, it starts balancing on one
foot like it can't help itself.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, human level intelligence. We talk about this stuff pretty
often over the years. You know, which animals should have
what we call legal personhood. And when you see that
kind of really it's a trauma response, right, No, we
were discussing that. When you see that kind of response,
you have to wonder how different is this from kidnapping
(46:30):
a human being, right, and putting them in a cage
and making them carry kids on their backs, right, and
then just beating the smack out of them. I don't
know if beating the smack out of it. I don't
know if that works in English, but something like that.
This leads us to another question, because we ended that
episode asking folks if they wanted to hear more about
(46:56):
about conspiracies related to non human animals. And this is
where Byron rejoins us and says a couple of suggestions
for future shows. And I think we'll all be interested
in both of these. Byron, you say, similar to your
elephant episode, maybe you could do one about the capture
of killer whales for SeaWorld and their killer whale shows,
(47:17):
and then Byron you mentioned CNN's expose Blackfish. You also
mentioned how SeaWorld stopped doing their killer whale shows, at
least the circus like performances, and it looks like they
replace those with what they call an Orca encounter, and guys,
I do think that's an episode we can do, especially
(47:38):
because Orcas, as we previously reported, are going you know,
Ham and Geeze on those yachts.
Speaker 8 (47:46):
Oh man, they're bucking up against them. I went and
saw actually, fun story. I went to see a movie
that I had thought I had bought a ticket for
for last evening, but as actually a movie doesn't come
out for two days, and I bought a ticket for
a night that I can't go. But I did go
to the theater, the Alamod House, and there is an
incredible hallway with all of these really cool vintage posters,
and one of them is the movie Orca, which is
(48:06):
like a Jaws type story about a giant killer whale,
and it is an incredible image if you ever just
look up the image for the poster of Orca. I
have not seen the film, but I'm curious as to
whether it's any good. But speaking of Atlanta, Matt and
your encounter with an elephant at the Atlanta Zoo, which
we did talk about on the episode. That Atlanta Zoo
(48:27):
and the Atlanta Aquarium I believe are somewhat unique, maybe
not entirely, and that the animals that they have in
captivity there are ones that, you know, for various reasons,
couldn't survive in the wild. I do remember years ago
I went to a thing at the Atlanta Aquarium. I
don't know if they do it anymore, but it was
like a dolphin show where they have them jumping through
(48:48):
hoops and doing flips and things like that.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Is there any.
Speaker 8 (48:52):
Ethical gray area with stuff like that? Because I know
dolphins are also quite intelligent.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, it's a big debate in zoo keepery to just
quote Churchifire phrase here, it's a big debate in zoo
keepery because there's also the question about the relationship between
the human assistance and the non human animal. But does
the dolphin actually just like doing tricks? You know what
(49:19):
I mean? Are they are they being punished or what's there?
What's their interactive mechanism? You know, like for anybody who
has a herding dog, the dogs tend to just like
to herd stuff. You know, they're super into it. So
is that is that exploitation? What's the line between exploitation
(49:41):
and conservation? We've also got a breaking piece of correspondence
from none other than the world famous Tennessee pal Dylan.
Can you tell us a little bit about this story
you shared with us in the chat?
Speaker 7 (49:57):
Yeah, Well, last week I found out that my brother
and law, when he was a kid, he went to
see some lions somewhere in rural Kansas and the guy
that owned them had my brother in law chop up
a goat to throw down a shoot to feed to them,
and Jesus I couldn't believe it. But then he showed
me all these photos on his phone of him with
like a lion cub out in the middle of nowhere.
(50:20):
And he also had a gun on his hip because
they gave him a gun to carry around.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
How does one chop up a goat just in the
moment like that?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That is wild? An axe? Yeah, he was like eight,
it was only eight eight.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Eight, So with a firearm with a Yeah, you chop
up a goat with a firearm.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
This is some like tiger king type stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
It's crazy. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Also, did you hear that orcas are running into sunfish
and exploding them?
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Recreationally, yeah, they're not doing it. They're not doing it
like hunting for survival. It's it appears to be the
case that maybe it's because orca have always done very
high intelligence things and we're just now learning about those,
or maybe their behavior is changing due to environmental pressure.
(51:15):
But yet orchis knocking out boats, busting up sunfish. Also,
sunfish can get lonely. I think we all saw that story.
It went viral again, like there was a sunfish during
COVID in aquarium out in Asia and it stopped eating
when people stopped going to the aquarium. And then one
(51:35):
of the zoo keepers said, what we should do is
put cardboard hutouts of humans by the glass wow where
the sunfishes. And then the sunfish, poor guy, he started
eating again and would float by the glass and just
sort of like look at the humans think, hey, guys,
what's up. You're back. So they're as human as other people.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, I'm imagining the first time the sunfish thing happened,
there's just a pod of dolphins just hanging out doing
their thing going really fast, see how fast they can go,
And one of them is just like yeah, looks back
at his friends and unknowingly runs into a sunfish and
the sunfish just he goes splash and then all the.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Right, holy, all the orcs are like sick, dude. It's
like the first time someone did it, Hollie or a
kick flip, except fatal for the sunfish. Oh man, Yes, yeah,
we've got it. We've got to do an episode on this, folks.
We want to hear your suggestions. We also want to
sew up this with you. Byron from Seattle. You say
(52:42):
I'm interested in your take on the SpaceX ipo debacle.
Fortunately I did not fall for the hype. Oh Byron,
oh man, we'll have to do that later.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
I mean all, well, all's I know is that I
think maybe they were able to get included or listing
in one of the major exchanges that potentially allowed them
to be bundled into like ETFs that are used for
retirement accounts, potentially exposing unknowingly a lot of you know,
elderly folks to the volatility of that stock because they
(53:19):
were able to kind of finagle their way into this.
But then I believe it was the Nasdaq that didn't
fall for that, and and and stood by the the
you know the timeline that it is required typically historically
to be included. But is there more debacle than that?
Speaker 9 (53:34):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (53:34):
Yeah, man, oh I must have missed the highlights other
than that one.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's tough because it's so debacle rich are there?
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Is there fraud allegations, all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
A ship crashed into the moon? I mean this village? Yeah, yes,
the space exploration is tough. We I think we can
we can get to more of that. Maybe we set
aside some time next week for Strange News to talk
about SpaceX, because it does need to be reported on
(54:06):
a little bit more. We also have to talk about,
you know, the financial grifty of that up there with
zoo Keepery. We've got one last one. We're keeping it
really short. Andy writes and says, Hi, I just started
watching your show on Netflix. Thank you, Andy. What do
you think about the water wars? Are they coming when?
(54:26):
What does that look like? I'm working toward owning the
piece of land I'm currently living on and making payments toward.
I have a wealth, awesome anding, good plan. What will
this piece of land if handed down to my grandchildren
or great grandchildren and rights to it, look like, are
we going to be subscribing to water? Andy? Andy?
Speaker 6 (54:47):
You?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
As they say in some card games. You triggered our
trap card, dude, because we have been concerned about water
wars since what Matt Noll two thousand.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Find it?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I was looking to keep talking.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I'm gonna find it. It's on the how Stuff Works page.
I think I'm going to I'm gonna find it, going.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, it's it's such an interest of ours because the
experts that we studied under in our own version of
the trades, they were proclaiming this inevitability for quite some time,
decades upon decades, right, and nobody listened to them other
(55:30):
than corporations that secretly said, how can we monetize this? Oh,
water is going to become something we can sell. I'm
from Nesley, and I think this is a great idea.
And I remember all of us talking about this off air, Matt,
do we know when we did that? Very first video
(55:52):
is a three part.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Series September twenty first, twenty twelve, twenty twelve. I definitely
don't want you to know water wars. Yeah, well, I
think we did one previously, even before this, but then
we put this one out as episode one fifty one
in twenty twelve. Oh my god, episode one fifty one.
That can't be right.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's so cute that we used to be able to
keep track of our episode numbers.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, uh no, I know.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
That we have all talked extensively about the idea of
water wars. Do you believe that there will be a
subscription model for water based on the fact that in
some parts of the United States it's already illegal to
collect rainwater?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (56:38):
I mean, and that's the thing, you know. I'm back
to my previous rant about community. It's something that Matt
and I talked about on the last I Believe Listener
Mail episode when you were on Adventures. This idea of
just it's almost like considered controversial to like form an
intentional community where you do things like grow your own
food or collect rainwater. This idea of being off the
(57:00):
grid is sort of like projected as a form of insanity,
you know, or a form of hostility towards to society. Right,
But at the end of the day, I mean, it
really is just a matter of like what if we
just took care of each other and lived together in
peace and harmony, and why is there this need by
(57:21):
the powers that be to demonize that? So yeah, absolutely,
they want to sell us water. They want to they're
already selling it to us, of course, but they want
a subscription model they want again, I think earlier I said,
there's no room for morality in a system that values
profits over everything else, and especially when you have a
(57:42):
government that just absolutely pushes that agenda.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Dude, in the state water war has been that we look,
do you remember, I don't know how long ago it was,
but it was Georgia and Tennessee. Yeah, and there are
big fights in the state. You know. I was going
to state departments in the state House, the courthouses about
where lines could or should be drawn, because I think
it was Georgia was like running out of water in places,
(58:07):
and Tennessee was like, no, it's our water, and they're like,
who whose water is it?
Speaker 2 (58:11):
And look at it?
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Anybody's water?
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Is it just well, dude, freaking mead right now? Isn't
it at the lowest levels right now?
Speaker 6 (58:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, we're getting to Uh. There was an episode Andy
you might like this as well. Not sure how you
feel about vehicles or vehicular things. But you may enjoy
an episode from years ago on a show called car
Stuff about the decline in water levels in very important
freshwater lakes throughout the United States that led to the
(58:43):
discovery of multiple homicides. Because you know, used to be
able We're not speaking from personal experience and did want
to sound too familiar with this, you general, you not
us used to be able to uh murder someone and
then put them in a car and roll the car
into a lake, deep into a lake, right, and they
(59:07):
would never yeah yeah, back when a bullet was a nickel,
they would never be discovered. And then because the water
was going down, right, this is years ago now, more
and more cases got closed, homicide or disappearance cases. And
then also more and more cases got opened. So the
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not be considered a human right really got our dander up.
Please do check out our I believe it's a three
part series matt On Water Wars, and maybe we have
an update for that series on the way to you
all soon. But you know, drink it while you got it,
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Jeez, Louise, Oh geez, Louis, I love that.
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Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
At this point, it's an open question, Dylan, whether that
is Alex Jones or Tim Highdecker playing Alex Jones.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
I'm a big fan of Tim Highdeker as.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Alex j We're a whole new person who.
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May have died last week's No.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What Wait what?
Speaker 7 (02:02):
In the last episode of the Onions in for Wars,
Tim Hideker may have died.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh Tim, I don't know why I said it, like
it's his fault. Tim, what'd you do?
Speaker 8 (02:14):
Man? What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Maybe he was tying it into Oh guys, I forgot
to tell you. I learned about a new holiday just
we We got a couple of quick things at the
top this evening. Did you know that August eleventh is
a national holiday in Japan? It's called Mountain Day?
Speaker 8 (02:32):
Oh yeah, And I was going to say it's it's
also a certain special somebody's birthday, and.
Speaker 9 (02:38):
That's that's that's it's it's a holiday that was started
in twenty fourteen expressly for mountain Mountain Day.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's mountain Day.
Speaker 8 (02:51):
So what don do on mountain Day? One one that
attends to scale a mountain, to appreciate a mountain to
I mean, if you're in you know, certain parts of
your you can see a mountain off in the middle
distance most.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Of the time.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, I think it's the promote tourism. I was wondering
why so so many things were closed, but it's, you
know what it was.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
Recently it was soft served Day, just soft quick, quick,
quick call out, so ridiculous history. The Carvel ice Cream
Company h where I am out here in New Yorker
and Queens, that is the ice cream of choice. And
historically we are in Carvel Town and they have still
some of the old buildings that they look the same
as they obviously did like in the you know, the
fifties and sixties. But yeah, it was it was a soft.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Served day like yesterday, Happy soft Served Day, Happy Mountain Day.
To those who celebrate, those who celebrate, we've got we've
got more stuff at the top of lisser mail. I
think we've all got stuff on our minds today.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Well.
Speaker 8 (03:52):
And also happy birthday month to to to three of us.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah yeah, we did it. We got old. Yeah yeah yeah. Hey,
and it's summertime and that means the heat is on
the street. Guys, guess what. Guess what electric companies are
going around, specifically my electric company and Electric Membership Corporation.
(04:18):
You're going around putting these brand new, spanking electric smart
meters on people's houses. They let a lot of us know,
at least in my area last week. Actually they lived
know last week or maybe two weeks ago even, but
just a couple of days ago, they came around. The
guy rang the doorbell while I was down here in
(04:41):
the in the basement and said, hey, it's this isn't
gonna do anything to your house. You don't have to
do anything at all. We are going to switch the
meter out. You won't even see a power go out
or anything like that. It's gonna be fine. Okay, he
went and he did it, and then guess what happened next?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Go up. Everything was great.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Everything was great, except for the AC went out. Wow,
that's air conditioning. I don't know if you guys remember
our little harrowing tale last summer where it was out
for like a crazy number of days. I think it
was eleven days, no no AC in our house. But
it went out like the moment they switched it out,
and you know, coincidence, probably probably, hopefully, hopefully it's a coincidence.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
I hope so too, Matt. But last point of order
before we take our quick break. Is there a difference
between four wheel drive and all wheel drive?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Oh, I think you can turn on and off four
wheel drive. All wheel drive is always on.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's always on. Yeah, that's why it's just like this show.
Just like this show, we're totally fine and we're all
mentally well. So nobody asked us further questions about that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
The whole point of bringing up the AC, guys, is
just I don't know if you'll have noticed just how
stinking hot it's been and seeing the actual data and
metrics from July getting the hottest month on record ever,
and with the humidity that's occurring at least in our
region right now because of the constant storms that are
coming through, just what that's doing to human beings that
(06:16):
are outside working all day's It is insane and I'm
just imagining I'm imagining it getting worse. But well, I
don't know, just out of a thing of caution, if
you're going to be outside, freaking hydrate, please good God.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And also shout out to everybody who is pursued a
career in the trades that forces you to be outside.
We talked a lot in the past and recently about apprenticeships.
We're going to follow up on some of that as well.
We also recently had a new iteration in our discussion
(06:51):
about the vulnerability of infrastructure rights as the weather changes,
but also as big powers get into a new level
of asymmetrical warfare. Waterfair Does Waterfair work?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh? Boy?
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Does it ever? And we're back jumping right into a
message from the spectacular John. That's not his exact nickname,
but I sort of, you know, freestyled that from some
text in his missive It's kind of fun, right, So
I would love that if someone nicknamed me that, So
(07:28):
I'm sticking with it. Here we go, interesting discussion about
terrorists going after small town water supplies versus a metro
area like New York City. We were talking a bit
off Mike about this guy's And this is in reference
to a recent discovery of potential cyber attacks by Iran
against municipal water supplies I believe in Minnesota, isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah. Originally, the attacks that we're occurring on water infrastrutructure
throughout the United States were reported by the presidential administration
to be the fault of Tim Waltz, politician who was
in the running for part of the presidential campaign a
while back. That's because these attacks, as reported earlier on
(08:17):
Strange News, largely were recurring in Minnesota. However, the FBI
made a statement where they said, we think it's aron,
So do check out our conversation about that if you
haven't heard it yet.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Well, and also given Tim Waltz's political position, it would
make sense that the rhetoric would be a way of
mudslinging against that man and his you know region. In particular,
the point that we made I believe guys, when we
were talking about this that John is referencing here the
spectacular John, is that it might be an easier move
(08:53):
for you know, a bad actor to target smaller municipalities
and more off the beaten pathwaters applies, rather than making
a big show of hitting like a huge region like
New York City. Let's go further into John's perspective here
going on, It would be easier, he says, to our
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point by a lot to bang out small towns.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
First.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
The NYC water supply comes from a series of lakes,
such as the Katona Reservoir and others. These are massive
bodies of water in and around Westchester and Putnam Counties.
After nine to eleven, road access to the water's edge
of these lakes were blocked with twenty foot piles of dirt,
making them impossible for terrorists who might try to dump
poison into the lake. You'd need multiple dump trucks of
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poison to contaminate the New York City water supply. So
what I'm saying is that the New York City water
supply really isn't poisonable by the way the water travels
to the city via giant pipes called the aqueduct, which
moves the water to the city. The pipes are buried,
and it actually is a pretty excellent running trail in
that area where they're buried. Next time you're in hastings
(10:01):
On Hudson. Making a note of this, John ask for
directions to the aqueduct where you're running shoes. It's spectacular.
I do wonder if that would also be appropriate for cycling, John,
because that sounds like a good time. I'm going to
look into it, guys. I just think this is worth
further discussion. I did a little bit of digging, and
John makes a really good point about the unpoisonability of
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a water supply as massive as that which feeds the
New York City area. It's a matter of dilution, right,
because you know, you would have to have so much
of this contaminant in order for it to actually make
a dent in terms of it, you know, making the
end product do anything but just mildly sicken you know,
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the end consumer. So that's not really on the table
per se. So when it comes to like how could
water supplies be weaponized, the idea of poisoning it against
the population is really not something that we have to
be super concerned about because it's just not particularly practical.
Had this occurred to you, guys, because I hadn't really
thought about it in these terms.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think our discussion was more on hacking of the
technology responsible for things like filtering and purifying, right, and
we're getting there.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
But I'm just curious as to y'all's thoughts on you know,
you think about the ultimate terrorist super villain, you know,
move of poisoning the water supply, and maybe that would
be more doable in some of these smaller areas, but
for a massive place like New York City or maybe
even Los Angeles area, it's not impossible.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
In my mind, a terrifying attack wouldn't be pre purification process.
It would be post so it would be putting things
in the water supply, you know, just as it's leaving
the major facilities, right, the major municipal water supplies.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
But even then though, the volume would still have to
be massive, and like, what are the means for injecting
it into that after the five It seems like the
best way to do that would be to poison the
accessible part. So you're saying someone would have to infiltrate
the facilities that are purifying it and then somehow managed
to inject it after the fact, and it would still
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have to be a massive, massive amount of contaminant.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, No, you're you make a great point there, and no,
and I think I think you're right. I just I
do think that line between poisoning and breaking or disabling
the infrastructure. We just have to make it.
Speaker 8 (12:28):
No, we are, and we're definitely going to. I guess
I'm just trying to make an effort to check one
thing off of our list of existential terrors that maybe,
you know, bad actors poisoning the water that we drink
in that direct way is maybe not as much of
a thing. However, what we did discuss in that strange
news story that Ben brought is the idea of causing
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these systems to break down where the purification could be compromised,
and perhaps letting things like maybe raw sewage, you know,
get into drinking water and things like that. And there
have been multiple instances of these types of attacks. It
seems like they may well be on the rise in
the twenty twenties. I actually there were a few of
(13:11):
these I didn't know about, and another one in particular
that was also perpetrated by the nation of Iran. This
one in particular was allegedly correct Ben, thank you. This
one took place in Pennsylvania in twenty twenty three. The
Municipal Water Authority of Aliquippa. In November twenty twenty three,
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the Unitronics Vision Series Programmable Logic Controller or PLC that's
used by the water authority. There was compromised. Attackers linked
to an Iranian backed you know, a hacker group I
guess called cyber Avengers with a three in place of
the E were able to gain access by exploiting and
(13:54):
here's here's the Kicker factory default passwords that had not
been changed. So it's not like this even required an
elaborate attack. It was literally they just like people had
not changed the passwords to gain access to some of
this incredibly crucial equipment, and we're talking about things like
password one two, seven, eight nine. They were able to
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alter the screen displays to show a message stating that
they had been hacked, and they caused the pump to
start and stop remotely, though the plant operators were able
to manly really override these systems to ensure that the
water was not compromised.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and Blake was seeing the strange news stuff obviously
allegedly is a little bit of a fig leaf that
we have to we have to have in this reporting.
The primary issue there are two things here. Spectacular John
and I love that nickname nol As we're as we
pointed out earlier two different types of compromise. The more
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difficult one is going to be physically inserting some kind
the contaminant into the water supply. As as Matt indicated,
getting their post treatment is would be the option, right
and as you indicate it, NOL, that would still require
a huge amount of whatever that substance is.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The issue is if you get into either the pre
or post waste treatment process, there are going to be
detection methods on either side of the pipe, as it were,
that will let authorities know when do shut stuff down.
That's why the second option, spectacular John, is the remote
(15:38):
access hacking. Oh, the password for your admin is admin. Well,
now we don't have to put poison in from a
foreign source. All we have to do is get that
admin access and then we can force things that already
exist in the waste treatment plant, like sodium hydroxide. We
can force that lie to crazy level that would be
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dangerous for human beings. Again, that'll get sensed and people
can shut it down. But also now you're removing water
from a community.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
Perfect reference been to what happened in Oldsmar, Florida, and
twenty twenty one is often cited as kind of like
a turning point in you know, the realization that these
types of cyber attacks are serious business and authorized user
access to water treatment plants remote access software.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Called team Viewer, which I.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
Think we've used that before, something along those lines in
any case, waste no, but Teamviewer it just seems like
it's sort of like a remote desktop access.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think it is.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
I think we've used it for like, you know, taking
over someone's desktop to get tech support done, something along
those lines. So I think it's literally that's what. It's
more universal than just for water treatment plants. The intruder
was able to increase those sodium hydroxide LIE levels to
one hundred parts per million from rather the acceptable one
hundred parts per millions per million. However, there are and
(17:03):
this is another case to be made for human intervention
and not completely aiifying and automating this stuff, because a
plant operator did notice some of these levels going a
little wonky and he was able to manually override that
system as well.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it's it's usually going to come down to the
redundancies that we have for monitoring stuff going in, stuff
going out, and what happens when that stuff being water
is there, and Spectacular John, thank you for the hiking
biking recommendation. We'd love to take you up with that.
(17:40):
It's it's still guys. The thing that is chilling to
me here in what we call the post truth environment
of you know, NonStop news, is the fact that this
could happen any any small town in the United States
that still has there ad been word as ADMIN. So guys,
(18:01):
if you work there, hear us, hear me, well change password. Okay.
I don't know if they have two factor authentication for
water treatment plants, but I sure hope somebody gets a
text every time soon logs in. And then, you know,
we haven't even got to spectacular John. You'll have to
(18:23):
write back to us and let us know your thoughts
about power plants too, because a lot of the electrical grid,
which I called electrical for some reason, no pun left behind,
a lot of the electric grid is laboring under the
same lack of security for sure.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
And I just wanted to reference one last thing that
Spectacular John mentioned post nine to eleven changes, like there
was something called the Bioterrorism Act of two thousand and
two that did require more than thirty three hundred individuals
working in these types of water treatment facilities to take
new kind of certifications that would give them deeper insight
(19:02):
into vulnerability assessments and also updated emergency plans and stuff.
But again that's back in two thousand and two, so
we know a lot has changed in the technology since then.
But I just I hadn't really thought about how this
would have been lumped in with all of the homeland
security initiatives. You know that took place Post nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Very much, so look at railroad security as well.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Dude, just the last thing from this this email, and
we keep thinking about the well you guys are talking
about the small town infrastructure versus big cities and those
kinds of things. In my mind when I was thinking
about in the episode. After listening back, I was like, yeah, dude,
obviously like hearing myself talk, Yeah, obvious. You guys are
making such good points about the small towns and why
(19:43):
you would attack there, And it was so obvious to
me hearing it back. But I keep thinking about the
overall impact of an attack. If you're you know, a
state actor and you're choosing to attack another country and
then measuring the impact of that attack and trying to
imagine the real world impact of disabling municipal water systems
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or electrical grid systems in a town of one hundred
thousand people versus you know, a small island in the
northeast that holds like four million people every day who
commute in and out of there and is responsible for
over two trillion dollars of annual revenue for that country. Like,
attacking that place has real impact on a country that
(20:31):
you were at war with, but you know, versus just
doing that terrorism fear thing right that you guys were
talking about.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Well, it's a show of force, but it also would
have real world implications in terms of the finances of
it all. Right now, it also almost seems like, you know,
in this current conflict with Iran, for example, they're kind
of getting the drift that messing with our money is
an even better method to get us to do what
they want than you know, bombing.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Stuff like maybe having black Rock and Blackstone and all
these people gather together five hundred billion dollars to invest
in Nvidia, which is did just hit the news like
force us to put all of our money in one thing,
and now securities and everything all in one thing.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
They said, Mom, said, don't put all your eggs in
one basket. Well, anyway, I think that's it for me. Guys,
Thank you spectacular John for that food for thought. We're
gonna take a quick break here we're from our sponsor,
and then we'll be back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
What's that quote, you guys that former President Kennedy said
when he was talking about the moon. He gets quoted
all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well you go to the code not because it is easy,
but because it is God as me with Marilyn Manoel.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Rock baby, Yeah, I always there is a line in that.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't know if this is look it up. There's
a I think there's a line in there in that
highly quoted thing where he says to go to the
moon and do the other things, where he's just like,
we're gonna go to the moon and all the other
things because there are I don't know why that struck
me as so funny. Just presidential speeches always seem so curated,
(22:22):
you know, until recently.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We choose to go to the moon in this decade
and do the other things not because they are easy,
but because they are hot. Like me, when they were
letting the room jumped out of the cake. I throw
my back out.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh oh, poor guy, poor guy. We feel for him.
I think we all know what that's like. Somebody jumps
out of a cake. Crack us out well, speaking of
jumping out of cakes, now, not really. We were going
to hear from Mark, who wrote into us on August
tenth after we talked about apprenticeships. And we've talked about
(23:02):
that many a time, Ben, I know specifically you've brought
that up a couple of times, just as such a
positive thing and trade schools and the trades, and as
we've talked about on the show a lot, as a
potential fix to the conundrum of you going heavily in
debt for college only to not have a job because
there's no more market for that thing that you went
(23:25):
to college for. Learning a trade, specifically through an apprenticeship
and a master at that trade, is a way to
get around that and actually have something to do in
your local community as well as potentially for your state
or on the national level if you get good enough.
So you've got to get good first, that's important. That's
why the apprenticeship is so important. So let's hear from Mark.
(23:47):
Here we go Greeting's fellow conspiracy realists. You can call
me Mark. I love the show and this is my
first time writing in. Matt mentioned apprenticeships on a recent
Listener Mail episode, and I wanted to share my experience
as a union carpenter. I started a four year commercial
carpentry apprenticeship program in twenty eighteen for the Eastern Atlantic
(24:08):
States Regional Council of Carpenters. Keep that in your mind,
write it down. Maybe we're going to talk about it
a little more. It's probably a cool thing to look
up if you're interested in carpentry in general. Mark says
he's been a carpenter for almost eight years now. Once
I was accepted into the program, I had to attend
mandatory training for four weeks out of each year. You
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have to buy basic hand tools, but you get to
keep them forever, which in itself teaches responsibility. That's super cool, Mark.
My local training facility has classrooms and spaces built for
hands on learning. They teach you in the classroom, then
you go out and you actually build stuff in various shops.
I learned about basic carpentry, finish carpentry, print reading, first aid, CPR, welding,
(24:54):
and plenty more. Just to cut from Mark for a second, Ben,
I thought it was really interesting specifically that you're that
he was taught first aid in CPR within that apprenticeship
program as a part of it. I didn't I didn't
think that would be a thing. But I suppose when
you're working, you know, in a workshop doing carpentry with
(25:16):
all of those various tools that are extremely useful and
helpful and precise, but also freaking dangerous, it might be
good to have CPR and first aid knowledge.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely. Yeah, And that's a great point, Mark m. You also,
you also, as a longtime listener, already know what I'm
gonna say. No matter what your job is, no matter
what you do with your life, there's nothing wrong with
not having a job if that works for you. As
a matter of fact, not having a job is cool
for this conversation because it means you have more time
(25:50):
to get your CPR and first first Aid certification. So please,
just like we always say, get a passport now, Americans,
because it's just gonna get harder, get your certifications now.
The best day was yesterday. Uh, the second best day,
seriously is now. With treat it like a you know,
(26:12):
if you want to be really weird, and you're you're
dating somebody and you get tired of like going out
to dinner or the movies on a Saturday, or you
keep hiking the same trail. Make a day of it.
Go learn CPR. You will be so happy that you did.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I know, never know.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, I knows. I didn't mean this a purpose, but
I know it sounds like I just somehow threatened people
that don't know CPR. Like, you'll be happy you did.
You'll be happy you did. But seriously, it's it is
something common in a lot of in a lot of
the trades, and it's common for a reason. Yeah. Sorry,
(26:53):
I yield my time. The coffee is kicking.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That's why I thought you've been when when it was
even mentioned in there. Mark also says he learned welding
and plenty more things like other things. It's cool to
learn welding doing carpentry apprenticeship. That's you forget that. Oh yeah,
A lot of wooden things that you would create with
carpentry require medals, so you connect those things often and
(27:17):
do cool stuff with metal. To continue with Mark here,
I've worked with a lot of really smart men and
women in the trades. The old timers are especially fun
to work with. They will teach you a lot if
you pay attention and you have a good attitude. It's
expected and encouraged that journeymen teach the incoming apprentices. This
is the mentality of a brotherhood that's really interesting and cool.
(27:40):
We have a mentor program in my local that I'm
a part of. We want the apprentices to feel comfortable
asking questions so they can learn safe skills that will
help them succeed in this career path. I actually started
the apprenticeship shortly after getting a degree in journalism. Uh
oh oh, we're familiar with that, and faced a tough
job market it. I was considering all my options at
(28:02):
the time, and joining a trade union wasn't something I
was expecting to do. But working with my hands has
actually been really, really good for me. The work is
tough sometimes, but it is rewarding in its own way.
And Mark signs off there, guys, I just thought this
was a great first person perspective on this thing. I've
never been to a trade school had an apprenticeship like that.
(28:25):
Closest thing I've had and Ben you've had is in
internship I think unless you have apprentice somewhere and I
just don't know. But we just cut our teeth putting
metadata into computers, which is not the same thing as
doing the things you learned in that way.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
I mean, it is always a fantastic experience to learn
anything from someone who is better at it than you are.
And I've had, you know, great opportunities in my life
to like work with you know you guys, I mean
under you guys. I learned so much in the early
days of podcasting, but also like musicians and you know,
studio engineers and things like that. I mean, there is
(28:59):
nothing that can quite replace the experience of working directly
with someone who has more, you know, real world experience
than you.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Oh dude, I would know nothing about my job or
what to do, and I if weren't for Roxanne Reed
and Jerry Roland, if those two people didn't exist, I
wouldn't have ever learned how to, you know, shoot correctly,
even though I went to college and got a degree,
I wouldn't know how to do it in the real
world if it weren't for those two human beings. And
(29:29):
I wouldn't know how to edit correctly and all that
other stuff. It weren't for people been that we've been
working with since we started, including Tyler, who is a
big part of our company right now. Just shouting shouting
out folks who are a little older than you, who've
been at it for longer, who just have so much experience.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yes, yes, although Tyler is technically younger than us, but.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, but that dude's an old soul.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
He's an old soul was he was bored in his sixties.
Mar There's something from a couple of other lives that
I know you'll agree with, and guys I think will
all agree with it as well as you friends and neighbors.
Fellow conspiracy realist tuning in along at home. Quick pro
tip at your if you're choosing a vocation or you're
(30:19):
getting a gig, right in your first week of the gig,
find the oldest, most haggard person there. They don't have
to be the boss, right. It's kind of like how
a long time sergeant or drill sergeant will often have
a better lay of the land than the new lieutenant,
(30:40):
or the way that a registered nurse who's been at
the hospital forever will have a better grasp of stuff
than the shiny new surgeon and sorry, surgeons. I know
you guys have a well, you know the joke about surgeons, right, Like,
what's the difference between God and a surgeon? God doesn't
think he's a surgeon. Oh, that's a mean one. I'm
(31:06):
gonna feel bad if we ever go under for that.
Then this person listens to the show. But find, like
Matt was saying, find find the elder voices, right, their
position in an official hierarchy doesn't really matter. What you
have to look for is the people who have had
the opportunity to make all the mistakes that you would
(31:27):
have made. And that's actually how the four of us
counting Tennessee as well, that's how we often talk with
people who are new to our vocation. We're saying we're
not the leaders, we're not the experts. Nobody really is.
We've just been around long enough to make most of
the conceivable mistakes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's what That's what you're looking We've got plenty more too, We've.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Got plenty more on the ways.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
That's what experience means at the end of the day, right,
Like your experience in learning how the right way to
do something, and you knows the wrong way to do something.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, don't do that. That's five to ten. Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, sorry, I'll sir, I didn't know I could.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Last thing I want to do for this one, Marcus,
to shout out the Eastern Atlantic States Regional Council of Carpenters.
It is. It's a cool situation there. If you check
them out, it is Eascarpenters dot org. And I'm just
gonna read this tiny little thing from their about page
because it's just kind of a cool thing to shout out.
The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, also
(32:40):
known as UBC, was founded in eighteen eighty one, you guys,
when thirty six delegates from fourteen local unions across eleven
cities came together to form a unified organization with a
stronger collective voice. Their goals to negotiate fair terms with employers,
secure shorter workdays, improve wages, and ensure work opportunities were
(33:02):
shared amongst members is and it goes on just to
tout the numbers, and it's pretty crazy high numbers. The
number of local unions six hundred and seventy nine, a
bunch of two over two thousand locals and today the
UBC represents over half a million members. So it's just
(33:24):
when I think about carpentry, you guys, true skilled carpentry
that is represented by members of this organization. I don't
imagine there are that many. In my mind's I I
don't imagine there are that many incredibly skilled carpenters out there,
but there are. And guess what we could use more
of skilled carpenters. Sure, you know, skilled welders, skilled humans
(33:49):
that know how to work with things and create stuff.
It does feel like humanity has gone a little bit
too into these computer things. Looking at myself here in
the mirror, when it comes to having true skills that
you can apply in the world, like physically in the world.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
What a loss for you know, historically for those things
just to like die off entirely, which is what happens
when you lean so heavily into AI and automation and
machine learning. It's just like those parts of that drive
to learn kind of goes away. You sort of outsource it,
and then those crafts without the hard work of the folks,
(34:31):
you know, preserving the legacy of these kind of crafts,
like these these unions that we're talking about, could just
die off entirely. So, you know, I'd like to think
that there is an analog backlash to the digital sort
of imposition that is AI and automation. Just like you know,
a lot of kids these days really like antiquated technology,
(34:53):
vinyl records, reading physical books instead of using the internet,
getting more into handcrafts and things like that. I think
there is a bit of a backlash with some of these,
you know, Jen, what is it gen z kids? So
you do like to see that and that's promising.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Agreed, Well, thank you so much, Mark for giving us
your experience there and putting us on to the UBC
in the EA s R C C. Let's jump quickly
to the phone lines to Emily, who called us also
about apprenticeship experience.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
Hey, my name is Emily and I just finished listening
up to the listener mail and y'all we're talking about
apprenticeships and the rise of AI. I am a career
glass Flower and started with an apprenticeship. It was a
very meaningful way to, you know, to start my career,
and I have taken on apprentices as you know, worked
(35:50):
in my field. AI makes me nervous that people are
going to not want to do apprenticeships anymore specifically, because
you cant so many corners. You know, why sit with
someone and go through all of the apprenticeship process when
you could chat GPT it and maybe you'll get the
right answer and you know, figure it out yourself. As
(36:13):
my I guess answer to that problem, if and when
I have a child, I would like to offer them
an apprenticeship when they turn at fifteen, so on their
fifteenth birthday, you know, they'll know it's coming that they
can start working with me as a glass flower, and
then when they're eighteen, they'll be a full fledged professional
if they want to go to college, or if they
want to start working in the field, or you know,
(36:36):
whatever they want to do. I think that would be
a good way to get an apprenticeship out of the
way and kind of fight the rise of AI in
my own little way. Anyway, love the show, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I wow, thank you, Emily. I think that is a
great idea. Like in you guys, we've talked before about
this concept of a gap year. I don't know how
popular that is these days. I've spoken to a few
people of our generation who have kids who, like you know,
the kids take a couple of years off or maybe
more before heading out to university or college or something
(37:10):
I do wonder like in our previous listener mail we
talked about that. I think it was changing. The concept
was changing grade school to end a little early and
then start an apprenticeship from like sixteen to twenty or
something like that. A pretty great concept here, also presented
by Emily of just letting her child right do the
same thing, but maybe under her I love that idea,
(37:33):
keeping it in the family. Even I don't know. I
Noel not to call you out. I just know you
have some experience with glass working, like being in your
home and around you, and just if you had any thoughts.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:47):
A good friend of mine who used to date and
live together now we're dear friends, is a stained glass artist,
and she actually owns a shop that supplies these supplies
needed to make stained glass, which includes like all the
raw materials that glass itself. So it's not the same
as blowing glass, but it is. You get these raw
materials and then you fuse them together to make these
designs with like solder, and it's a whole thing. But
(38:10):
she has always a big part of her business model
is teaching classes, and that is the exact thing that
we're talking about. It's not exactly apprenticeships per se, but
it is passing on that knowledge you know, directly, and
sure you can chat GPT a lot of things, but
it's not the same process as learning from a human
and carrying on that kind of I don't know if
(38:32):
this is the right term, but like oral tradition of
like passing down a skill or whatever. And you know,
I was interested in, like, you know what with all
of this kind of I don't know, focus on AI.
It almost seems like that backlash I was talking about
could have led to potentially higher interest in trade schools,
and it does appear that that's true. There is a
(38:54):
rise in interest and enrollment in trade skilled pathways for
your universe. She these are still a little more common overall,
but there is a rise, and I could see that
going further when we are looking to, you know, perhaps
increase the focus on those hand kind of made sort
of skills, you know, in the face of AI aiifcation.
(39:19):
But yeah, it was really cool to see her pass
on that, you know, that knowledge directly to other folks
who then I have seen either start making art and
selling it themselves or even starting their own businesses. And
I just think we're gonna need to start seeing more
of that because one thing that we've talked about too,
that AI has sort of and you know, a lot
of the focus on living in this kind of social
(39:41):
media bubble is a lack of community and a lack
of physical shared spaces and shared community that isn't just online.
And this kind of trade stuff and apprenticeships is another
great way of, you know, kind of fostering community.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Amazing agreed. Please go to apprenticeship dot gov if you're
interested in stuff and you're in the US. That is
a great resource to find an apprenticeship program near you.
It's actually super helpful and cool. You can also look
for apprenticeships for America dot orgh just another resource. Check
(40:19):
it out if you're interested and maybe find your place.
That's it for us for now. We'll be right back
after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Tello fellow conspiracy realist, we have returned with some messages
from you. Our first comes from Byron Byron from Seattle.
I hope things are going well in Seattle. Byron, you
write to us responding about our recent episode on the
conspiratorial hidden horrors of Elephant shows. You say the following, Hi, guys,
(40:57):
I just finished listening to our episode about the hidden
horrors of elephant shows. You brought back a memory from
when I was nine or ten years old in the
early seventies. I don't want a profile you, Byron, but
I'm assuming the nineteen seventies here. If it was earlier,
congratulations and let's hang out. So you say, my family
(41:18):
went to see the Shrine Circus at the Cincinnati Gardens.
They had all the usual circus shows, which I barely remember,
dogs riding bicycles, trapeze artists, etc. Afterwards, we went on
an elephant ride. This wasn't like what you see in
old movies where some royal rajaesque figure in robes rides
(41:40):
atop an elephant and some elegant carrier. The elephant was
Byron says, I believe, roped into a small pen with
a heavy steel enclosure tied to his back to keep
people from falling off. This enclosure was made of those
industrial steel bars, like what they use as barriers at
amusement park in a few other places. That's just nasty.
(42:03):
So we climbed on his back all four of us,
and somebody led him back and forth, so we walked
a few steps backwards and forwards. That was what we
got for my father's money. Even at that young age,
I had the feeling the elephant was not happy about
his life. Afterwards, you could walk around and see other
circus animals that were being kept in barren steel cages,
(42:26):
not the fake habitat like enclosures you see in modern zoos.
I remember, in particular, says Byron a Reesius, monkey trying
desperately to break open the door to his cage and
to get out. He did not look happy. Well, let's
pause there real quick, guys. Byron, thank you for sharing
this experience from Seattle. We've heard from a lot of
(42:48):
people who encountered those things. It made me think of
a couple things really quickly. Because Matt, you weren't there
for that show. I knew that Nolan and I got
to the point where we discovered some pretty pretty disturbing
aspects of the elephant show conspiracy and I might get
(43:10):
in trouble for this, but I remember hearing from folks
like my girlfriend who in Thailand as a child went
to a tiger quote unquote sanctuary where you, as a
child can get your picture with a tiger, and then
later in life, like so many other adults, learns that
(43:31):
the tigers are drugged heavily. Yeah. So, one thing that
Tennessee and Nolan and I opened up with in our
episode about elephant shows was when we had seen elephants, etc.
Et cetera. Matt, do you have elephant experience? Did you
see him in like circuses or zoo's anything like that.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Only experience with an elephant is that the Atlanta Zoo
just kind of watching them do their thing with their
unusually elongated trunks.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Sorry, I keep thinking about the YouTube video man, every
time we talk about.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, hey guys, I'm at the zoo, there is the elephants.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Ben I want to talk about that. But I do
have a sidebar here and it comes from from our
listener there about shrine circuses? Are these like? Is it
related to the Shriners, as in that organization associated with freemasonry?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh? Good question, because I know the Shriners throw a
heck of a parade. I think you're I think you're correct.
It is. Let's see, it is organized by Shriners International
to raise money for the hospitals, just like the parade.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
So so they have the circuses that had like the
elephant there to raise money for a hospital.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Okay, yeah, but an elephant hospital, right guys. Uh, just
a just a human hospital. Uh man.
Speaker 8 (45:06):
Well, but I think I think that one of the
aspects that we talked about on the episode that really
stuck with me was I think you may have seen
this firsthand, been or you were recounting someone else having
witnessed this, but seeing an elephant kind of snap into
its conditioning like out of nowhere, like that aspect of
(45:27):
it was really tough, almost like they've been like brainwashed.
And I think the key takeaway for me too was
that it's something that a lot of people know, you know,
the idea of an elephant never forgets. But these are
incredibly intelligent, uh empathetic, uh, deeply feeling creatures, and to
do this to them, I mean, this kind of stuff
with animals of any kind, but certainly higher order quote
unquote mammals like this, I mean, it's just it's tantamount
(45:51):
to torture, you know. I mean, they're they're like this
this image of an elephant kind of walking around. Then
all of a sudden like having like a brain zapp
where all of a sudden, it starts balancing on one
foot like it can't help itself.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, human level intelligence. We talk about this stuff pretty
often over the years. You know, which animals should have
what we call legal personhood. And when you see that
kind of really it's a trauma response, right, No, we
were discussing that. When you see that kind of response,
you have to wonder how different is this from kidnapping
(46:30):
a human being, right, and putting them in a cage
and making them carry kids on their backs, right, and
then just beating the smack out of them. I don't
know if beating the smack out of it. I don't
know if that works in English, but something like that.
This leads us to another question, because we ended that
episode asking folks if they wanted to hear more about
(46:56):
about conspiracies related to non human animals. And this is
where Byron rejoins us and says a couple of suggestions
for future shows. And I think we'll all be interested
in both of these. Byron, you say, similar to your
elephant episode, maybe you could do one about the capture
of killer whales for SeaWorld and their killer whale shows,
(47:17):
and then Byron you mentioned CNN's expose Blackfish. You also
mentioned how SeaWorld stopped doing their killer whale shows, at
least the circus like performances, and it looks like they
replace those with what they call an Orca encounter, and guys,
I do think that's an episode we can do, especially
(47:38):
because Orcas, as we previously reported, are going you know,
Ham and Geeze on those yachts.
Speaker 8 (47:46):
Oh man, they're bucking up against them. I went and
saw actually, fun story. I went to see a movie
that I had thought I had bought a ticket for
for last evening, but as actually a movie doesn't come
out for two days, and I bought a ticket for
a night that I can't go. But I did go
to the theater, the Alamod House, and there is an
incredible hallway with all of these really cool vintage posters,
and one of them is the movie Orca, which is
(48:06):
like a Jaws type story about a giant killer whale,
and it is an incredible image if you ever just
look up the image for the poster of Orca. I
have not seen the film, but I'm curious as to
whether it's any good. But speaking of Atlanta, Matt and
your encounter with an elephant at the Atlanta Zoo, which
we did talk about on the episode. That Atlanta Zoo
(48:27):
and the Atlanta Aquarium I believe are somewhat unique, maybe
not entirely, and that the animals that they have in
captivity there are ones that, you know, for various reasons,
couldn't survive in the wild. I do remember years ago
I went to a thing at the Atlanta Aquarium. I
don't know if they do it anymore, but it was
like a dolphin show where they have them jumping through
(48:48):
hoops and doing flips and things like that.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Is there any.
Speaker 8 (48:52):
Ethical gray area with stuff like that? Because I know
dolphins are also quite intelligent.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, it's a big debate in zoo keepery to just
quote Churchifire phrase here, it's a big debate in zoo
keepery because there's also the question about the relationship between
the human assistance and the non human animal. But does
the dolphin actually just like doing tricks? You know what
(49:19):
I mean? Are they are they being punished or what's there?
What's their interactive mechanism? You know, like for anybody who
has a herding dog, the dogs tend to just like
to herd stuff. You know, they're super into it. So
is that is that exploitation? What's the line between exploitation
(49:41):
and conservation? We've also got a breaking piece of correspondence
from none other than the world famous Tennessee pal Dylan.
Can you tell us a little bit about this story
you shared with us in the chat?
Speaker 7 (49:57):
Yeah, Well, last week I found out that my brother
and law, when he was a kid, he went to
see some lions somewhere in rural Kansas and the guy
that owned them had my brother in law chop up
a goat to throw down a shoot to feed to them,
and Jesus I couldn't believe it. But then he showed
me all these photos on his phone of him with
like a lion cub out in the middle of nowhere.
(50:20):
And he also had a gun on his hip because
they gave him a gun to carry around.
Speaker 8 (50:25):
How does one chop up a goat just in the
moment like that?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
That is wild? An axe? Yeah, he was like eight,
it was only eight eight.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Eight, So with a firearm with a Yeah, you chop
up a goat with a firearm.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
This is some like tiger king type stuff.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
It's crazy. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Also, did you hear that orcas are running into sunfish
and exploding them?
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Recreationally, yeah, they're not doing it. They're not doing it
like hunting for survival. It's it appears to be the
case that maybe it's because orca have always done very
high intelligence things and we're just now learning about those,
or maybe their behavior is changing due to environmental pressure.
(51:15):
But yet orchis knocking out boats, busting up sunfish. Also,
sunfish can get lonely. I think we all saw that story.
It went viral again, like there was a sunfish during
COVID in aquarium out in Asia and it stopped eating
when people stopped going to the aquarium. And then one
(51:35):
of the zoo keepers said, what we should do is
put cardboard hutouts of humans by the glass wow where
the sunfishes. And then the sunfish, poor guy, he started
eating again and would float by the glass and just
sort of like look at the humans think, hey, guys,
what's up. You're back. So they're as human as other people.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, I'm imagining the first time the sunfish thing happened,
there's just a pod of dolphins just hanging out doing
their thing going really fast, see how fast they can go,
And one of them is just like yeah, looks back
at his friends and unknowingly runs into a sunfish and
the sunfish just he goes splash and then all the.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Right, holy, all the orcs are like sick, dude. It's
like the first time someone did it, Hollie or a
kick flip, except fatal for the sunfish. Oh man, Yes, yeah,
we've got it. We've got to do an episode on this, folks.
We want to hear your suggestions. We also want to
sew up this with you. Byron from Seattle. You say
(52:42):
I'm interested in your take on the SpaceX ipo debacle.
Fortunately I did not fall for the hype. Oh Byron,
oh man, we'll have to do that later.
Speaker 8 (52:55):
I mean all, well, all's I know is that I
think maybe they were able to get included or listing
in one of the major exchanges that potentially allowed them
to be bundled into like ETFs that are used for
retirement accounts, potentially exposing unknowingly a lot of you know,
elderly folks to the volatility of that stock because they
(53:19):
were able to kind of finagle their way into this.
But then I believe it was the Nasdaq that didn't
fall for that, and and and stood by the the
you know the timeline that it is required typically historically
to be included. But is there more debacle than that?
Speaker 9 (53:34):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (53:34):
Yeah, man, oh I must have missed the highlights other
than that one.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
It's tough because it's so debacle rich are there?
Speaker 3 (53:41):
Is there fraud allegations, all kinds of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
A ship crashed into the moon? I mean this village? Yeah, yes,
the space exploration is tough. We I think we can
we can get to more of that. Maybe we set
aside some time next week for Strange News to talk
about SpaceX, because it does need to be reported on
(54:06):
a little bit more. We also have to talk about,
you know, the financial grifty of that up there with
zoo Keepery. We've got one last one. We're keeping it
really short. Andy writes and says, Hi, I just started
watching your show on Netflix. Thank you, Andy. What do
you think about the water wars? Are they coming when?
(54:26):
What does that look like? I'm working toward owning the
piece of land I'm currently living on and making payments toward.
I have a wealth, awesome anding, good plan. What will
this piece of land if handed down to my grandchildren
or great grandchildren and rights to it, look like, are
we going to be subscribing to water? Andy? Andy?
Speaker 6 (54:47):
You?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
As they say in some card games. You triggered our
trap card, dude, because we have been concerned about water
wars since what Matt Noll two thousand.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Find it?
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I was looking to keep talking.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
I'm gonna find it. It's on the how Stuff Works page.
I think I'm going to I'm gonna find it, going.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, it's it's such an interest of ours because the
experts that we studied under in our own version of
the trades, they were proclaiming this inevitability for quite some time,
decades upon decades, right, and nobody listened to them other
(55:30):
than corporations that secretly said, how can we monetize this? Oh,
water is going to become something we can sell. I'm
from Nesley, and I think this is a great idea.
And I remember all of us talking about this off air, Matt,
do we know when we did that? Very first video
(55:52):
is a three part.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
Series September twenty first, twenty twelve, twenty twelve. I definitely
don't want you to know water wars. Yeah, well, I
think we did one previously, even before this, but then
we put this one out as episode one fifty one
in twenty twelve. Oh my god, episode one fifty one.
That can't be right.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's so cute that we used to be able to
keep track of our episode numbers.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, uh no, I know.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
That we have all talked extensively about the idea of
water wars. Do you believe that there will be a
subscription model for water based on the fact that in
some parts of the United States it's already illegal to
collect rainwater?
Speaker 3 (56:37):
Absolutely?
Speaker 8 (56:38):
I mean, and that's the thing, you know. I'm back
to my previous rant about community. It's something that Matt
and I talked about on the last I Believe Listener
Mail episode when you were on Adventures. This idea of
just it's almost like considered controversial to like form an
intentional community where you do things like grow your own
food or collect rainwater. This idea of being off the
(57:00):
grid is sort of like projected as a form of insanity,
you know, or a form of hostility towards to society. Right,
But at the end of the day, I mean, it
really is just a matter of like what if we
just took care of each other and lived together in
peace and harmony, and why is there this need by
(57:21):
the powers that be to demonize that? So yeah, absolutely,
they want to sell us water. They want to they're
already selling it to us, of course, but they want
a subscription model they want again, I think earlier I said,
there's no room for morality in a system that values
profits over everything else, and especially when you have a
(57:42):
government that just absolutely pushes that agenda.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Dude, in the state water war has been that we look,
do you remember, I don't know how long ago it was,
but it was Georgia and Tennessee. Yeah, and there are
big fights in the state. You know. I was going
to state departments in the state House, the courthouses about
where lines could or should be drawn, because I think
it was Georgia was like running out of water in places,
(58:07):
and Tennessee was like, no, it's our water, and they're like,
who whose water is it?
Speaker 2 (58:11):
And look at it?
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Anybody's water?
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Is it just well, dude, freaking mead right now? Isn't
it at the lowest levels right now?
Speaker 6 (58:19):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, we're getting to Uh. There was an episode Andy
you might like this as well. Not sure how you
feel about vehicles or vehicular things. But you may enjoy
an episode from years ago on a show called car
Stuff about the decline in water levels in very important
freshwater lakes throughout the United States that led to the
(58:43):
discovery of multiple homicides. Because you know, used to be
able We're not speaking from personal experience and did want
to sound too familiar with this, you general, you not
us used to be able to uh murder someone and
then put them in a car and roll the car
into a lake, deep into a lake, right, and they
(59:07):
would never yeah yeah, back when a bullet was a nickel,
they would never be discovered. And then because the water
was going down, right, this is years ago now, more
and more cases got closed, homicide or disappearance cases. And
then also more and more cases got opened. So the
(59:28):
former big leader of Nesley who argued that water should
not be considered a human right really got our dander up.
Please do check out our I believe it's a three
part series matt On Water Wars, and maybe we have
an update for that series on the way to you
all soon. But you know, drink it while you got it,
(59:50):
is what we can say. Big, big thanks to everybody
who tuned in big thanks especially to the spectacular Jahn
to Mark M to Emily to Byron, from Seattle to
Andy to Tennessee, pal and we can't wait to hear
from you. If you'd like to join our listener mail
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Speaker 8 (01:00:13):
Sure can take a cue from the affom mentioned conspiracy
realists out there and hit us up on the Internet
by way of the handle's conspiracy stuff and or conspiracy
Stuff show and there's there are other ways.
Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Give us a call, just like Emily did. Our number
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Give yourself a cool nickname and let us know within
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we said yet and it's probably the best one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
It's definitely a thing we are the entities. Read each
piece of correspondence we received. Be well aware, y it's unafraid.
Sometimes the void wrights back. We want to give you
a quote from former Nestley CEO and chairman Peter Brabeck
Let's mouth. There are two different opinions on the matter.
The one opinion which I think is extreme is represented
(01:01:07):
by NGOs who bang on about declaring water a public right.
That means that, as a human being, you should have
a right to water. That's an extreme solution, and it's
one we agree with conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. It's right, Pe,
you're still catching strays for that one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
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