In this week's listener mail segment: one of the Bills in Colorado (Ben thinks there are at least twelve) prompts a conversation about the nature of worship vs. belief. Salamander Taco details a tragic saga of Steve Eimers's righteous one-man mission to fight against improperly-installed guardrails. PCC38Lightning thanks Ben, Matt and Noel for their upcoming episode on the U.S.S. Liberty -- while also warning that making this future episode may get them in hot water. Tune in for all this and more. Spoiler: stay tuned for tomorrow's episode on Farsi Number Stations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
They called me Ben, and you can too. We are
joined as always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee
pal Fagan. Most importantly, you argue you are here. That
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
If you are tuning in to our listener mail segment
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, we have a whole thing about it every July fourth. Now.
Dogs love it. I'm sure they do because they love
loud sounds, just like anybody with PTSD. We have something
that may mitigate or ameliorate your experiences if you don't
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like big loud sounds. We always like to start off
our listener mail program with a little bit of begas.
We call them rudas.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And now a special message from President Darver. Hello, I'm
coming to you live this evening with good news. To
the work of private industry Professor Jan Warmouth and most
importantly me, we were able to destroy the asteroid that
was poised to hit our planet this week. As you
may know, the asteroid was actually a giant rudabaka, and
the brave executives that Appliance manufacture Bakaware, including CEO Husky Peters,
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reached out to me with a plan integrate a giant
air fryer and launched it into space. The Bagaware air frier,
officially named the epic Darver three thousand, intercepted the giant
roy to Bega, cooked it to perfection, and safely landed
in the Baga Bay at oh seven hundred hours. Today,
the giant vegetable will be taken to a Gigabaga processing plant,
or it'll be chopped into small chunks and sold as
Darver becas at your local grocery store. I'm so thankful
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for my leadership during this time, and I hope we
can forget my Oval office meltdown last week when I
interrupted the bagel bowl to vent my frustrations at Professor Warmouth.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Actually, no, that was a.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Very brave thing to do, and we're going to put
an illustration of it on a commemorative coin. This message
was sponsored by Bagaware.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
We're the government now, absolutely not topical, not pointed at
any sort of political shenanigans whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
We're the government now. Yeah, that's right. Let's yeah, let's
give her some names.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
President Darver, jan Warmouth, Husky Peters, Epic Darver, Giga Bega
Darver Bega and the Bega Bowl and.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Air Fryer also known as the Bega Boys.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so, Tennessee, we love to take a little bit
of what what I would call inside the actors studio
kind of thing. Uh, could you tell us a little
bit about your your background to here this universe?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (03:24):
Well, I mean I really wanted to finalize that harrowing asteroid,
the line we've been having for a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's okay, it'll come back later.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's funny.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
You see what you no, it's ever evolving. The Bega
verse and Igu they always have new and exciting ways
to infiltrate your lives.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Do you think we can get Lou Bega on board
for sort of a tie in or at least an
end credit song. I my first series of.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
I would spend a silly amount of money that I
shouldn't spend on getting a cameo of lube.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But he's not on Okay, I was gonna get.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
A camera too good, he's too a listener.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, he's a mambo number five rights.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Apparently Stephen King was so obsessed with that song his
wife threatened to leave him if he played it one
more time.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Know that I'm imagining. The man has interesting taste in music.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Let's just put the lou Bega, rude of Bega, something
else Bega and it always I think I think we
can make it happen.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, it's a it's a rude bagel in uh gumbo, right,
it's yeah. You gotta get out of somebody together.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Somebody listening right now knows Lou or knows somebody who
knows Lou.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Is he still making work? Is he? Is he out there?
We're gonna kill hustling mambo?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You remember Bacon this Okay?
Speaker 8 (04:53):
What was it your Scaman John?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Yeah, a few years ago, but lou Bega did a
tribute song called the Scatman and the hat Man.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Go ahead, that's all there is. Go ahead. Legal just
texted us we are not allowed to play the full song, but.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You do need to your imagination.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You do need to check it out, as Dylan is saying,
and you also should realize if you're ready for that
bag of badgers, the scatman had an entirely different career
in the nation of Japan, far after the West treated
him as a novelty. We are so excited to share
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some perhaps controversial, to be honest, correspondence from our fellow
conspiracy realist. Now, guys, before we go into our ad break,
we remember our episode on the Naga, the so called
serpent gods of certain parts of the world, and I
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believe it's fair to say it's surprised all five of us,
hopefully the four of us hear your faithful correspondence and
you the most important part of the show, the audience.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well, yeah, I think it definitely did. We got a
lot of fascinating feedback on that and it just kind
of keeps coming in. But I tell you, the big
takeaway from me was that that fantastic Naga hide Dad
joke that came Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
There, I guess you are a s IMPRISTI I was
super we broke back.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
We'll be speaking of writing back. We'll be right back
and Noel, can you take us in with this Naga stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I sure can, and we're back. And I'm just kidding.
It wasn't just the Naga high Joe. I can't even
remember the setup. I just remember the punchline was Naga hide,
which is a outdated faux leather. I'm not mistaken. But
it was a good joke worth it, as Ben would say.
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But we had way more fascinating stuff than just bad
dad jokes coming in about our conversation around the Eldridge, Snake, God,
deity entities. What are the Naga? And we got this
one from a new listener slash viewer who discovered us
on Netflix, and I guess the beauty here is hopefully
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this listener or viewer will not become a listener since
these Listener Mail episodes are not on Netflix. So this
is how it's done. Y'all find us on Netflix, stick
around for the audio only segments like today's Listener Mail.
Let's jump right in with a message from Bill in Colorado.
I think it's okay to go with Bill in Colorado
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it's got to be a lot of bills in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Sure, we cook at least well at least at least.
It's going to be tough to sort out which is which.
So here we go. Bill in Colorado says, Hi, guys,
I just started watching STDWYTK on Netflix and was an
instant fan. Thank you. That's awesome. I just watched the
Naga episode and what you said about worship not necessarily
meaning belief really stuck with me. That's I think that
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came from a little side convo we were having about
how some of the descriptions or the depictions of the
worship of these Naga or specifically I think around the
snake god Glikan, it was all theatrics and puppetry, and
there was a whole sense of do they actually believe
that this is real? Or is the theatrics and the
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whole spectacle of it kind of part of it? And
it doesn't even require acts absolute belief and adherents and
you know, believing that you are in fact interfacing with
some sort of ancient deity going on. A more recent
example would be something like the Church of Satan and
Anton Levey. We're all big fans he was an atheist
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and basically a theater kid. Some others later got involved
who were true believers, and things started to get a
little murky, which is kind of when Anton pretty much
got bored with it and wanted to move on. But
the point is the whole thing was started as performance
are ritual, as team building, and a tongue in cheek
response to mainstream Christianity. The early adopters knew it was
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all bullshit, but they joined and participated and still got
what they were seeking from it. Humans like to think
we have come so far intellectually and are so different
from our predecessors, but we really aren't, and we really haven't.
It's entirely possible that was me saying the haven't part.
By the way, don't want to put words in Bill's mouth.
It's entirely possible that those participating in the Glican worship
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were fully aware of what was going on, that this
was just a dude with his hand in like a
Beanie and Cecil kind of puppet. Not Beanie, just Cecil.
He was the sea monster. Just something that occurred to
me while watching the episode. Oh my gosh, guys, I
can't wait to unpack this together, but he then gifted
us with something I think we might start featuring a
(10:06):
little more on the pod, a random fact that Ben's
always asking for at the end of every episode. And
we're really starting to get some excellent material flooding in
from the conspiracy realists out there. So let's let's give
this random fact from our buddy in Ohio. Bearded dragons,
he says, and many other reptiles and birds are tetra
chromatic and so can see four colors as opposed to
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humans who can only see three. What is true, Yell?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
According to Bill, Let's find out if he's right.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
A Bill from Colorado.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Verify.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. Also, yeah, Bill, trust for verify. This is really interesting.
Just to interject here really quickly, Bill and Noell, we
know that some few humans actually have a higher number
all of the receptors like rods and cones that allow
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for more more sophisticated perception, perception, a more sophisticated perception
of color, and one of those works with us.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Oh my gosh, are we gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The we We know we can't. We can't because of dark,
because of dark.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I don't know this person, Hippa. Well, Bill does go
on to mention something along those lines, Ben and saying
that opposed to humans four colors as opposed to humans
who can only see three, aside from rare mutations that
can result in a human with tetrachromatic vision, bearded dragons
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specifically see purple in addition to red, yellow, and green,
allowing them to see into the UV a wavelength of
the light spectrum. Once again, love the show and can't
wait to start listening to your other shows once I
run out of Netflix material. I was thinking about Ridiculous
History is my next fora unless you think something else
will be better? Well, who are we to say other
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than yeah, listen to Ridiculous History. We have a good
time on that show. Non biased. But we need to
write back to Bill because I don't I wonder if
he knows that there are there are episodes that don't
make it to the Netflix feed and that he's going
to be in one. He is in one, So I
think we got to write him back through the email
and let him know that this email is going to
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be featured in this here our weekly non Netflix listener
mail segment. But guys, this was one of I really
enjoyed this part of the conversation, and I think we
all really enjoy the thought experiments that go into talking
about what belief is, what leads to worship, the nature
of belief, the nature of worship of deities, of polytheism,
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of like the battle between polytheism and monotheism, and like,
Also we often talk about how, you know, these people
in power that are throwing around all these religious edicts
and and in philosophies, how many of them actually are
true believers? You know, at the end of the day.
Is much of it a way of controlling others and
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you know, just wielding influence. But I think the reason
I love this whole thing of they know that it's
not real, is it sort of it puts agency back
into the worshippers, as opposed to treating them like mindless
sheep being manipulated by some puppet master. So I just
I really dig that, like religion as performance art, you know,
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like sort of the ontological hysterics, Like there's a theatrical
movement that really is a heavily i don't know, myth
coded kind of deep, deep form of performance art. And
I just really really enjoy that. So I don't know,
what do you guys, think about this belief versus worship.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I keep thinking about sheep nol because recently I have
learned that if let's say, Hugh Jackman goes missing or
is presumed.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Dead stop, that sheep will.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
From what happens sheep.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Part of sheepy is there made out to me? I
think sheep get a bad rap, and I'm the first
one to apologize for even using that in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I sure the reference.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It's a movie called The Sheep Detectives or something like
that about about anthropomorph They're not anthropomorphact, they're just cgi
but they look like sheep, but they can talk, and
they are trying to solve a crime in a very
quaint and delightful British countryside murder mystery. No spoilers. I
only watched the first little bit, but it seemed great.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, thank you guys for introducing that Hugh Jackman a
phenomenal actor. I think we can get the name.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, Matt sheep Detective. Yes, but I agree, Uh, you're.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Being a bit of a smarty pants there, Matt, and
I'm going to allow it, but also I'm going to
have to have to push back a little bit and
ask you to dig deeper. What do you think of
belief versus versus worship?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Well, it's in my experience, there is this very interesting
spectrum when it comes to belief. And I know that
experience that I'm assuming a lot of people have had
where you've been sitting in a pew during a worship
session or you know, a church sermon.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Or willed a session. Yeah, and it's just it's fun.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, like praise music is often this kind of flow
that you get into, and I know that state. But
I guess what I mean is there's a spectrum between
fully wholeheartedly believing that something is true and then really
versus perhaps having an appreciation for whatever it is that
either you are getting out of this thing or how
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it's affecting you personally or the people around you, without
actually believing that the stuff that's being talked about is real.
I wonder how many human beings you know, sit there
on a Saturday or Sunday during whatever worship is happening,
don't fully believe, but they just like what they're getting
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out of it for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And Ben, I mean, I know that there's something that
we talk about often just the spectrum of belief. It
is not a always. I mean it can be, and
that's usually the version of it that can have negative
consequence as a black and white thing. There can be
Like I believe in what the Bible represents, but I
don't necessarily believe that Adam and Eve, you know, birthed
humanity and that there was a snake who is the
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devil that I think some of these stories are more
meant to demonstrate concepts that would be good to live
according to, rather than be taken as gospel, no pun intended.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, absolutely, Noel and Bill, this is crazy fascinating to us.
I'm hopefully not using the royal inclusive here because it
should be fascinating to every body. Just like you're saying,
there is a psychological compulsion right for so for dynamics.
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So like Matt was saying earlier, there are people who may,
when put to the question, not personally genuinely one hundred
percent believe in whatever mythology or spiritual system is being proposed,
but they do know that society treats them a different
way if they practice it. Or you go to a
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concert and you don't necessarily you just don't care, right right,
You don't necessarily love or even know the band or
their lore, but you love the environment. Or you, for instance,
you don't consider yourself as sportsman, you don't know a
ton about sports, but you go to a stadium or
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an arena and the energy is galvatizing and electric, you know,
and you like, Yeah, with the knicks, you like basketball
for that moment.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I don't know a thing about basketball. I don't particularly
find myself interested in watching or participating in the actual
sports of it all, but the absolute passion and fervor
on display is infectious, and I could see maybe finding
myself getting swept up in that a little bit, especially
since I've been in the city a decent amount and
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been around all of the festivities and people just being
so excited in the streets about all of that stuff.
I can see the draw, I can see the pull,
and I can participate in that and get something out
of it without really caring too much about the sport itself.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Because what we're caring about at that point, Bill, is
the social dynamic involved. Right. The humans are very the
tribal group oriented group project folks. So you can, and
this is true, you can go to something like a
sumo match and you don't have to speak jazz and ease,
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but you clock when other people are feeling good or
when you're riding the tide of the things. So we
are fans, I hope of going to holy places. A
lot of very religious almost set outfits, institutions, belief systems.
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They're more than happy to have you, even if you
are not practicing you know, Islam or Judaism or Christianity
or Buddhism or what have you. They'll say, show up,
hang out with us. And there's that's the reason, Ben.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I think I mentioned to you that I recently, for
the very first time, went to a Hindu temple here
in the Atlanta area with some friends and to meet
some folks who did practice there, who invited us to go.
And I got there early before the person that I
knew got there, and I kind of found myself like, Okay,
how do I want to make sure that I'm being
respectful here? You're supposed to leave your shoes in your car,
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like walk from your car to the temple barefoot. So
I did all of that. There's all these signs, and
then I just kind of sat in the back and
listened as they did all of these incredible polymetric chants.
And obviously I didn't understand a word of the text,
but there's something about the feeling of being in that
space with others who are, you know, reacting that you
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can't help but kind of be affected by. And I
don't think it doesn't require, you know, having some sort
of ax to grind. Theologically speaking, you know, so sex
to grind is the wrong term. I just mean skin
in the game. In that respect, you can still if
you're open to it, you can still get something about it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's the exacerbated version of reading the room right. You
feel the vibe, the energy. And one thing before we
like before I de realized that I don't want to
the worship versus belief thing that you're talking about one
of the twelve bills in Colorado. This is this fundamental principle,
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this axiom. If someone believes something that makes them better
toward other humans, then is that not a plus?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
That's what I've always said, that's certainly my philosophy. Is
when you start seeing people wielding religion like a weapon
or as a way of other or I just don't
think that's the wrong approach. And I think most true
believers are folks that are using belief in the way
that you're describing. Ben would probably agree with that and
would feel that those using it in a way to
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belittle others or to make others feel small or less than.
I think hopefully if they truly are good people, they
would say that's not what they're about.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And the people that do it the other way, I
would argue believe less are more likely to be not
true beliefs that they're using it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It is exactly yeah, man, I mean, it's the idea,
Bill Noel, Matt Tennessee, everybody. It's the idea that you know,
folks who genuinely believe in their chosen spirituality, the genuinely
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holy folks are almost always super cool hangs. The folks who,
like you said, no, are not weaponizing something like we
are privileged living in the southeastern United States to be
able to hang out at a huge Hindu temple called Baps.
We're privileged to be able to hang out at Catholic monastery,
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and all of those people are super duper chill.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's funny, though, the more we talk about this, the
more I realize that I think I and I'm just
speaking for myself here, I worship all kinds of stuff,
but it doesn't it doesn't mean that I believe in
every religion as some kind of fundamental truth. But I
just sort of like me sitting at that temple is
a form of worship, is particularly but not in any
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kind of dismissive way or like I'm like cheapening any
of it. Like to me, it's just that's how I
choose to take my experience, and like, at the end
of the day, just being alive and being grateful and
just enjoying your surroundings as a form of worship, and
just living right can be a form of worship and
trying to be kind to others.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
For everybody tuning in. So Matt is holding up a
twenty dollars twenty dollars US bill.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Worship at that too, Worship.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
At me, which is funny because in Abramaic faith, if
I'm I don't want to pull a book out. But
if I'm recalling correctly, it's not money itself that is
evil in Methos, it's a love of love, right, So
that's yeah, usury as well, very big deal.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
And obviously I'm joking when I say I worship money.
But it is the system that we exist in, and
it's you got to kind of keep yourself in check
because it is a powerful thing and it can create
a feeling of emptiness and a feeling of constant need
of acquisition if you don't. And a lot of that
comes from a lack of faith or a lack of belief,
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or a lack of even belief in oneself that they
need to constantly be striving. That's what religion is trying
to solve, isn't it. Religion is trying to solve that
existential problem of what am I? And how when is
enough enough? And what am I actually here to do?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, right, and invite you also, once you get
past the fact that a lot of early religions were
used to rationalize social hierarchies and justify the effectual economic
enslavement of others. Once we get past that, we have
to understand that a lot of religion tells you there's
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some kind of main character thing for you, and that
the natural inclination of the human to worship itself becomes
rationalized by saying, oh, yeah, I'm very big, I'm a
very important part of this, right, and if I play
the game correctly, that I shall be rewarded according to
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my worth, which is to me the most important thing.
It's it's very weird. There's a great stuff you should
know episode from gosh, guys, maybe more than a decade
ago now, about the nature of altruism.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So right, like, are you giving truly for others or
are you giving to make yourself feel better or to
justify you know, this notion that you're a good person?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And what is the what is the operational difference?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And what's the difference? I think about that all.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh, guys, Noel todes Matt, We've got to ask I've
got to ask you guys. Okay, snake people, lizard people,
real or not built, that's got what we're getting too.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, I really want to talk about how, yeah, in
that vein Ben, how or why rather did nature decide
to get rid of the whole ability to see uva
Because if we're following along evolutionary theory the mammals and
the reptiles, you know, the mammals came after the reptiles, right,
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if we're following that theory, it seems like that would
be a super useful thing to have, unless maybe I
don't know what do you think, Ben, like no and Noel,
what what do you think caused that? It feels like
that's the thing we would keep around.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It does imply tent in evolution, which I know you
know there there are examples of that, right, But that's
why when we were talking about mirror, DNA and RNA
the other day, there was this idea of like, is
evolution would do you ascribe the movement of God's hand
and the you know, God's will in evolution? And is
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it always beneficial? And it can be, but then there
can be things that aren't or that are more arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Operationally, evolution is brute force hacking towards specialization and
arriving at a niche such that an organism can successfully
reproduce in a biome. And the same thing is happening digitally. Now, Oh,
I'm reaching for the wrong book. This one is called
(27:50):
I dare you with the next comation mark. So, going
to that question proposed by you, Matt, regarding how something
could evolve to lose special abilities, another question would be
why can birds perceive electromagnetic patterns and the humans cannot?
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Fun random fact for you folks, this is pro bono here.
Did you guys know that humans are pretty exceptional with
being able to see three colors? As you said, nol,
most mammals are around two colors, which is why your
dogs might be mystified by certain things. Tigers actual an
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apex predator that looks bright orange to a lot of
us tuning in this evening, they look green, they're camoed
up to most of the animals they eat like, they're
not bright orange to their price.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Is that why the tiger and he man looks green?
You think they were inspired by that?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I don't know, man, that's a good question. Everybody check
out Ridiculous History History of Saturday Morning Cartoons.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
It's coming, yeah, I hope you do. Actually will probably
be out in the little bit. It's not out by
the time this comes out. It'll be out in a
day or so. Yeah. Yeah, But man, what a fun conversation.
This is red meat for us. I think we just
love this kind of stuff. This is the ultimate in
thought experimentation. And you know, we all have various forms
of belief and backgrounds and histories, you know, in terms
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of like our religious upbringings or or lack of or whatever,
and it's just so interesting where people get, you know,
in their in their lives with these kinds of questions.
And I think we're all super open to people of
all kinds of beliefs and all kinds of mix and
matches of all of these different types of faiths. And
at the end of the day, it's just, you know,
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I think our mantras be cool, be nice to each it,
be excellent to each other. Right, that's right, Bill, Yes,
that's right. Wait that's different. Yes, wait that's way. It's world. Well,
thanks so much again, Bill from Colorado. To take a break, Yeah, exactly.
We're gonna take a break, have word from our sponsor,
and then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And we've returned.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Bill from Colorado far superior to Bill from Oregon. I'm
not sure if you're familiar with Bill Cipher from Oregon.
Very dangerous, fellow, very triangular. We should all be afraid
of Bill from Oregon. Okay, if he tries to, you know,
come to you and make a bargain with you, do
not listen to Bill Cipher. Okay, we're gonna jump to
(30:39):
a message we got from someone named Salamander Taco. Salamander
Taco is pointing out to us a very cool individual
that exists in the world, and it's an individual who's
on a mission. And we like folks like that, somebody
who has a mission in life, someone who works really
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hard at attempting to make that mission happen. So let's
jump to this this taco of salamanders and find out
what they're talking about.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Hey, guys, salamander taco here. I don't know one your
radar at all, But there this gentleman named Steve Iimers
in Tennessee, and he is well. Tragically, he lost his
daughter to a crash to a guardrail. She hit a
guardrail and it penetrated the cabinet, killed her. Terrible story.
(31:32):
It's awful stuff. But Steve the guardrail guy is taken
to being like an activist and it's really great stuff.
But specifically, what I want to draw your attention to
is the flock cameras in Tennessee. He's noticed that the
nearly installed flock cameras which you all I've been talking about,
are being installed improperly. They are not being installed with
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the proper break place at the bottom of the post.
Simply if you crash into this thing, it's like hitting
a true The flock company, whoever they are, did millions
of dollars in research and development for this specific plate,
but they're being installed incorrectly all over the state. I
don't even know if it's just the state, but stuff
is great. You guys should look into it something that
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may be valuable to everyone.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh Man, thank you so much Salamander Taco for letting
us know about this individual and their quest and what's
happening there and then connecting it back to a topic
that we just discussed, flock cameras.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
When we talked flock cameras, we talked about how there
are many different ways they can be installed, places they
can be installed, and one of the primary ones, I
don't know actually how much detail we went into it
in the episodes, but one of the primary ways these
flock cameras are installed, the way you might see them
along the roadside where you live is it's a black pole.
(32:56):
It's steel, and it's anchored into the ground near intersections,
usually on streets. And what the guardrail guy slash Steve
Eimer's slash our caller here is talking about is often
when these are installed, as they have been across Tennessee
(33:17):
that Steve is looking at. They are just cemented into
the ground. So imagine a big block of cement in
the dirt and then a huge steel pole going into
that cement. What do we think could be the problem
to have an object like that just right near an intersection?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Well, I mean that seems like a hazard kind of right, like.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
A yes, a major hazard, because if you've got you know,
if you've got steel in cement that is a largely
immovable object, or it will be more difficult to move.
Let's say, when a vehicle that's made out of plastics
and tear away parts and steal uh interacts with that
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thing at a high speed, you're looking at cutting through
a vehicle. Much in the same way that Steve Eimers
on his quest has been going around and looking at
guardrails that are installed improperly or poorly or you know,
makeshift or in ways that could cause real damage to
somebody driving on the road. You can, I guess we
(34:25):
maybe let's watch one of these videos. We probably don't
need to use the audio from it because it is
Steve's Instagram account and we don't want to take anything
away from that. But maybe if we watch it. We'll
get a better idea of what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Here.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Find a flock camera that's been on a slipplight like
what was crash tested at Texas A and M flock
had to have paid well over one hundred thousand dollars.
I bet, because I know what crash testing costs. They
ran test three sixty three sixty one, three sixty two.
And it's a slip plate. It's kind of stub here
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and then a triangle shape and it's designed when impacted
to break off and instead that's embedded in concrete. I
have both, I have both designed your owns.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No that I get it. So it's what they're just like,
they're going against safety protocols and in a in a
an attempt to speed up the installation or is there
negligence going on here? I think that's what I'm clocking.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, that's the big question, uh. In part of Steve's
quest is to figure out how much of these errors
that occur in both guardrails and in sometimes the signage,
like just something as simple as a sign that you
might see like a yield sign or a sign that
tells you what exit is coming up, and all these
things They're all designed to be breakaway in some form
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so that if a vehicle impacts them, the top part,
the part that's sticking out of the ground, will just
break away and won't you know, tear through car. When
we're talking about negligence, I think the big question here
is is it negligence? Is it someone just doing it
not knowing that that's what they're supposed to do, or
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someone just not falling along because it's going to cost
more money when it comes to like corporate expenditures and
things like that. The reason why this is so important
to Steve is because his daughter was killed in a
crash where the guardrail did something it was not supposed
to do it. They are not designed to tear through
a vehicle and kill a teenager when their vehicle impacts
(36:34):
a guardrail. Right, you can read all about Steve's journey
and his quest and the tragedy that occurred to his daughter.
You can go all over the internet. One of the
best things we found was written by Corporate Crime Reporter
on March twenty eighth, twenty twenty two. It's titled Steve
Eimers Won't Be Silenced, and it goes into great detail
(36:57):
about what occurred. We don't want to get into the
whole thing here, m M. But his daughter impacted a
guard rail terminal, which is like the end of a guardrail.
You guys have seen that before, where a guardrail begins
or ends essentially in this case.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, So I guess the question then becomes like, is
there an investigation, like is that the question? Or if
there is, will there be some sort of reckoning, like
because it seems like when there's this kind of hustle
to install so many of these so quickly, that there
might be corners cut or like things overlooked in the
(37:36):
interest of just getting it done and getting as many
of these things up as possible, And then you can
always ask for forgiveness later rather than permission. I don't know.
I'm not sure if I'm thinking about this correctly.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
You won't know what's a problem until somebody impacts it
with their car, right, I see? Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Like, so it's not like they're purposefully ignoring this notion
of something needing to be breakaway because they don't even
it's not quite in the same category, or this is
sort of like a new Like That's what I'm confused
about because it seems like it should be held to
the same standards as these other signage and roadway you
(38:12):
know installations, but for whatever reason, because of what it
is and then being kind of new, it's not.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
There are all kinds of lawsuits happening right now, not
specifically with these flock you know, poles, but with guardrails,
with all kinds of other highway safety things. You can
look all of this stuff up. We'll just send you
one other place WTSP Channel ten in Tampa Bay, Florida.
(38:41):
There was a story in May of this year. NTSB
reveals speed and improperly installed guardrail played role in severity
of deadly Florida crash. And this one is about a
group of people that impacted a guardrail that was not
installed correctly and korea over into some water where multiple
(39:04):
people perished. One of the main points Steve makes in
one of his videos is that the clear zone. He
talks a lot about the clear zone, which is almost
like off the shoulder of any street when it's the
right of way, so like the direction of vehicles moving
on and then just to the right of that, that's
like the clear zone in a specific area. And he
(39:26):
talks about anything that's in there, there is a responsibility
to make sure it is breakaway right and it is crashworthy,
and just how much responsibility comes with being in that area.
And then he shows you some of the signs that
are there, again like pieces of steel sticking up out
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of the ground, but they are designed in such a
way that right out of the concrete slab right near
the ground, there's a piece of the steel, you know,
the grated steel. You've seen the signs right where it's
a bunch of hole in a piece of steel, and
this one has a secondary piece of steel that is
where the sign is put into that primary piece of
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steel and that secondary one where the sign is we'll
just flop down and get out of the way if
you crash into it. But with those with the flock poles.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It just won't do that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Just kind of rambling at this point, Guys. It's really
upsetting that something as simple as this could end up
taking a life or several lives.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And I guess when you go through it like that, Matt,
I mean, obviously you know when there's infrastructure being installed
and things like this, things are going to get missed.
But I guess the issue here is that these things,
a ton of them went up very very quickly all
over the place, especially in like here at Atlanta, you
know where it's like kind of ground zero for these things.
So with regular traffic updates or installations, you're not going
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to have as many things happening all at once with this.
If there is a problem, it could be creating like
a much larger risk because of how many and how
quickly go up if there is a default a defect right,
mm hmm, so it looks like an A eight. Just
privacy that's at risk.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Here, agreed, Ben your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, Salamander Taco first off, excellent name, and we have
a pretty pretty uh smart elite cadre of chefs who
are going to write to us and tell us how
to make a Salamander taco, so as stay tuned for that.
If you liked caper Dia also Matt Noele Uh, you
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guys are are raising serious points. We have to realize
that there are there are so many people who are
really like like Steve Weibers, They're they're heroes born of tragedy.
We were conspiracy realists. We were a bit concerned when
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we did our two part episode on flock. Uh, we
were a bit concern that we might get in a
little bit of hot water, and then I think we
all encountered the baiter minehoff Right. Noel was saying he
saw flock cameras everywhere as we did our research, and well,
I at least saw one. Yeah, and I've never seen
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a single one before. Yeah. Uh. And Matt, I forgot
to ask you on that episode, did you see flock
cameras in your neck of the woods. Oh?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, I think we talked about it. There are multiples
right near where I exist.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
We also talked about infrastructure a couple of times on
this show, and famously John Oliver talked about he did
a huge.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Piece in Trundling sixteen twenty.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Fifteen maybe where you're just discussing all of the things
that you know, different the different states within the US
need to address. In this case, I'm is pretty focused
on Tennessee because that's where he lives. And you know,
you end up having to go on a state by
state basis for things like this, which means it's going
to be a long, hard fought back. We've also seen
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states like California attempting to make pretty big moves in
different areas, like with the plastics. One use plastics being
banned in California or at least an attempt to pass
a law about that, and then we see the pushback
with seventeen other states suing California to try and make
sure that law doesn't go through in one state, because
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if it happens in California, often because the market is
so large there, things happen in other states. I wonder
if there is I don't know enough information about are
there specific laws in California that would prevent flock from
being able to install a single camera in this way
rather than the proper way?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
But that would be a scene park. If there were
going to be a state that would do it, it
would be them, right.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well, yeah, because you know, it could be a really
good thing and force everybody else to kind of fall
in line to some extent to protect everybody, you know,
because it's a good look, even though it might be
a little expensive.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
But you don't think that that's one of the kinds
of things that maybe a current like administration like we've
got now would say that that's just overreach and that's like,
you know, big government, and that we need to like
leave well enough alone, you.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, and a waste of tax dollars ballroom. So anyway,
I guess we'll just see what happens. Thank you so much,
mister salamander of the tacos.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
We will I need a salamander taco. It might be
delicious if it was if it was lightly killed.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
And humane, you know, yes, the question then would just
from your snack stuff days. He is nodding in approval.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Here we go, h one more around the commercials and
then more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
And we have returned folks where coming in hot with
something that may get us in trouble, but that's our
that's our remit as a show. I guess we're the uh,
we're the little engine that could, right, So we're going
to hear from a returning guest PCC thirty eight lightning
All one were no spaces and this is the deep water.
(45:16):
So before we get to the deep water real quick,
I don't want to muddy this up with strange news,
but were you guys tuned in to the recent announcement
of Scotis decisions for the term. We're recording on Tuesday,
June thirtieth, twenty twenty six, I.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Heard that they overturned the overturning of birthright. Yes, yeah,
which seems cool. Yeah, And I believe they significantly expanded
presidential powers over the executive and in a specifically way
that I'm not quite oh cracking, but I believe it
has to do with being able to remove members of
(45:58):
sort of like the I believe the well.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Do you have Oh my god, I almost did the
Eminem quote. By the way, one of Stephen King's favorite
rappers there the Mili You're right there. The Supreme Court
of the United States of America recently did some very
bad stuff to out people who are trans for sure,
(46:23):
and then recently it all happened in the same day,
like you're saying, they reacted to the birthright Citizenship executive
Order that violates the fourteenth Amendment. They said, no, that's crazy.
That's why they are amendments. You have to amend the Constitution.
You can't wake up and say I don't like orphans
(46:47):
or whatever. That guy's on. The one I think you're
talking about in specific was the idea that the United
States president, whomever, they may be very Russian in that regard,
can fire at will any federal position except for not
(47:10):
the FTC, the Federal Reserve's yeah, sorry, you got it,
just Fed. They said, you can mess with everything but
the money.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Because the FED has historically been sort of insulated from
a lot of these government shenanigans. And that's a big
beef that Trump has had with you know, holding their
feet to the fire and saying that Jerome Powell is
incompetent because he wouldn't raise lower interest rates and traditionally,
historically the FED has sort of had a lot of
autonomy in that respect and by design.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Right, Yeah, it's a very uh check out our earlier
episodes on that and check out what happened in matt
What was it? Was it nineteen thirteen?
Speaker 3 (47:53):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
The yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Creature?
Speaker 10 (47:58):
It is?
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
That one? You nailed? It was at this oh yeah,
and we're still dealing with it today. So wanted to
just put that out because this stuff matters, It gets
ignored often, and it does have real world consequence. I
can't believe it was a six to three ruling, you guys,
(48:19):
with three people dissenting against the idea of the fourteenth Amendment.
Beat me here, Dylan, the US Constitution. There were three
people who are supposed to be the smartest legal minds
in a country of almost three hundred and fifty million people,
and three of them were like, I don't know what
(48:41):
does domicile mean? Also, alitos were retiring.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
There's a dude we have to talk about. He's the
kingmaker for the Supreme Court. I can't think of his name.
I just talked about him with my partner. He's a dude.
Who is that not a lot of people know about.
But oh god, I'm gonna get it wrong here. But
there is one man. I'm not kidding you guys. It's
one man that has been putting justices through to the
(49:09):
Supreme Court. We got to do a full, full episode,
if not a series, because he's got all these organizations
that funnel people up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Well, I will also say, I don't know about that, Matt,
And I'm sure that that's true, and I can't wait
to hear more. But I did see a video of
a reporter, an eagle eyed reporter, who saw Clarence Thomas
leaving a building on Capitol Hill that houses the Speaker
of the House, his office, and the other top Republican.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Officials and he's just walking.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
He's walking out of there like he's just had a meeting.
And this person's like, what you doing there, buddy? Who
you meet it? He goes nobody, nothing, nothing, I'm just here.
I'm just walking. I mean, give me a break. There
should not even be any any perception of that kind
of conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, bizarreers. Fraternization is non ideal when the branches are
supposed to be collegiate yet distinct, autonomous and separate. Also,
we are well aware that we record in the state
of Georgia, where Justice Thomas originates from. I haven't finished
(50:24):
reading his dissent because it came out so recently, but
it's ninety pages long and it's all about how he
thinks the fourteenth Amendment is bad. So here I'll pause
before we get to you. PC thirty eight Lightning, Matt,
(50:46):
you found the guy.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yes, a dude named Leonard Leo, and he is a
fascinating character to look up. He is the chairman of
the board of Directors of the Federalist Society. Federalist Society,
which is a group we need to look into, and
a human being we need to look into again. Leonard Leo,
and I really think it has a lot to do
(51:09):
with one of the other major Supreme Court decisions that
just came down with regards to campaign finance.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Or for yeah, yeah, no breaks all no breaks, no guardrails.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Just good dude, just like hear this.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
The Supreme Court strikes down limits on political party spending.
What do you think as a human being that wants
to listen to this show right now? What do you
think that means for you versus what it means for
the technocrats, the oligarchs, the billionaires. What does that mean
for you versus them?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And with that PCC eight, Lightning, we're getting to this now.
Apologies again, it's deep water. A lot of stuff is
happening that does indeed, we question the foundational fabric and
the cornerstones of the American experiment. So everybody should be concerned.
(52:10):
Here's what you said, Lightning. If we could be familiar
with you, you say, quote, I must say thank you
in advance for taking up the challenge that is the
USS liberty. It is a place that many fear to tread.
At many times, the liberty has been used to support
an anti Semitic agenda, even for those that haven't used
(52:33):
it in that way, they can get painted with that
brush to silence their voice. This has led to their
never being a congressional investigation as much money from Jewish
lobbying groups have wanted to keep the story under the covers.
People rarely separate Judaism from Israel. If you are critical
(52:55):
of the state of Israel, you are anti Semitic. Can
you say theocracy? Now? Want to pause here because as
we all know, backstage, we've been having a correspondence with
Lightning and several of us who make this show together.
We have Jewish heritage, and I think it is a
(53:19):
great credit to this show, in particular our little Show
That Could, that we have always, you guys, taken pains
to understand that the people of a place are never
the government of a place, not really, you know what
I mean. It's not like it's not like three hundred
(53:43):
and forty nine something million people in the United States
agree on anything, right, So we are very aware of
that broad brush, and we are anti racist. We are
very much pro people being able to live safely, to
(54:05):
eat food, you know, whenever you want eating food that's awesome,
drink drinking clean water, and having kids that will have
opportunities better than those of their forebearers. So I don't know, man,
the USS Liberty is it's a touchy concept, but we get.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's a horrifying thing that occurred, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yes, sir, very much so. I mean lightning continues. There
can be much discussed mistakes were made in communications, but
too few people are able to be open minded and
even handed or just selective of the facts they choose
to use in pursuit of their side of the argument.
(54:53):
And we'll get to USS liberty in a second. Actually,
you know what, let's do it now. A little bit
of a spoiler for the actual episod. So a story
the Jedi may not tell you, fellow conspiracy realist, is
that on June eighth, nineteen sixty seven, or eight June,
if you are outside of the US, in the middle
(55:14):
of something called the Six Day War, a sigand Signals
intelligence ship called the USS Liberty was attacked. One hundred
and seventy people were wounded, thirty four people officially were dead.
This was called one of the most bloody and bizarre
(55:35):
peacetime encounters in US naval history. It was friendly fire,
it was accidental. That's the official story. But if you
speak with folks who were aboard and survived or in
the area, they will often tell you even the spoopy
(55:55):
doope guys, like the really old ones who are out
of the game now obviously, they will tell you that
the attack was deliberate, and they will further tell you
it was a cover up.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
It's tough to make a major accident for over twenty
minutes in a row when there are missiles and death occurring.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, because even when people will walk around, like have
you ever done that thing where somebody's walking directly on
your track and you try to go one way and
they tried to go to the same way, and then
you have that little scrimmage line that resolves pretty quickly,
right unless one of the two actors is a jerk.
(56:41):
So something like that happening for that extended amount of
time with people dying, you know, it's very high stake stuff.
It's also bringing us back to Lightning's message. Lightning, you continue,
and we did get your approval to share this on air.
I was in the White House Rose Garden with the
(57:04):
Liberty's Crew and Captain William McGonagall on June eighth or
eight June nineteen ninety one. We were supposed to be
greeted by President Bush Senior. This was to happen after
the Gulf War victory Parade, which, by the way, lightning
whole other bag of badgers. Captain McGonagall had been awarded
(57:27):
the Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions on the
USS liberty, but had never been invited to the White House,
the People's House, in recognition of his service and his valor.
The President's limo came around the driveway. Let's all picture this,
and Potus waved to the assemblage through the limousine window,
(57:50):
got out of the car and went inside. We waited,
and we waited, and the door opened and out came
the White House Chief of Staff, a guy named John
su New, and National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft. No motus.
(58:10):
Apologies were given as they shook hands with the crew.
The next thing we knew we were being escorted out
to our bus. As we made our way out, we're
saying happy birthday, dear Barbara. It was the first lady's
birthday again, folks, that is eight June nineteen ninety one.
(58:34):
So pause there, Why why is somebody being ignored, right, Like,
why are veterans being ignored at the White House.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
We're gonna have to look into that and find an
answer that will keep us alive.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Especially because we're going on the ices later. That's not
the time, but it is true. This Lightning's take care. Lightning.
You say, the story we heard later was that there
were some folks from the Israeli embassy waiting for the
President when he got out of the car. The discussion
(59:14):
was described as, we don't think it would be a
good idea for you to be seen with those people.
End quote wosh whosh. I don't know if I like
veterans being described as those people. Yeah, so, Lightning, you continue,
you say, the nineteen ninety two election was coming up,
(59:36):
and President Bush was riding high on the Gulf War victory,
but still a politician and also still former head of
the CIA. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, so, Lightning.
You also point out that our open state that we
(01:00:00):
are going to do an episode on the USS Liberty
was followed by statements from Kentucky Congressman Massey about the
continuing conspiratorial allegations and possible cover ups. I don't know guys,
is this the one? Is this going to be the
(01:00:21):
one for us that gets us in trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I mean, the more I'm looking at it, Yeah, Ben,
this is the one. I can't believe McGonagall was awarded
the Medal of Honor by the Secretary of Navy. Yeah,
rather than the President and not at the White House.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
See how far we're hiding. We're like pushing it off.
Give me five feet right yeah? Ken?
Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
No, what do you think? Man? Are you going to
sail with us on this week?
Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
Two?
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
I'm what even if I wasn't, because it's a good time.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
That's my back man, right there. Folks, You know you
say Lightning that you could share some other tales, and
we love to hear them. We do want to point
out that your name probably refers to the locky p
thirty eight Lightning, So it seems like you've got some
(01:01:24):
stories in the past, fellow conspiracy realist. But you did
have one question that we are going to end on tonight.
It is this. You sent us a picture and asked
about some of our background, asked about some of our background.
You collected on a book that we have with us. Now, guys,
(01:01:49):
you can see this, right, I think you can see
how that says ask.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yes, that does say asks.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
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Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Noel.
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They called me Ben, and you can too. We are
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pal Fagan. Most importantly, you argue you are here. That
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
If you are tuning in to our listener mail segment
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to July second. We're just a few days away from
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, we have a whole thing about it every July fourth. Now.
Dogs love it. I'm sure they do because they love
loud sounds, just like anybody with PTSD. We have something
that may mitigate or ameliorate your experiences if you don't
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like big loud sounds. We always like to start off
our listener mail program with a little bit of begas.
We call them rudas.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
And now a special message from President Darver. Hello, I'm
coming to you live this evening with good news. To
the work of private industry Professor Jan Warmouth and most
importantly me, we were able to destroy the asteroid that
was poised to hit our planet this week. As you
may know, the asteroid was actually a giant rudabaka, and
the brave executives that Appliance manufacture Bakaware, including CEO Husky Peters,
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reached out to me with a plan integrate a giant
air fryer and launched it into space. The Bagaware air frier,
officially named the epic Darver three thousand, intercepted the giant
roy to Bega, cooked it to perfection, and safely landed
in the Baga Bay at oh seven hundred hours. Today,
the giant vegetable will be taken to a Gigabaga processing plant,
or it'll be chopped into small chunks and sold as
Darver becas at your local grocery store. I'm so thankful
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for my leadership during this time, and I hope we
can forget my Oval office meltdown last week when I
interrupted the bagel bowl to vent my frustrations at Professor Warmouth.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Actually, no, that was a.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Very brave thing to do, and we're going to put
an illustration of it on a commemorative coin. This message
was sponsored by Bagaware.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
We're the government now, absolutely not topical, not pointed at
any sort of political shenanigans whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
We're the government now. Yeah, that's right. Let's yeah, let's
give her some names.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
President Darver, jan Warmouth, Husky Peters, Epic Darver, Giga Bega
Darver Bega and the Bega Bowl and.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Air Fryer also known as the Bega Boys.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, so, Tennessee, we love to take a little bit
of what what I would call inside the actors studio
kind of thing. Uh, could you tell us a little
bit about your your background to here this universe?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (03:24):
Well, I mean I really wanted to finalize that harrowing asteroid,
the line we've been having for a couple of months.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It's okay, it'll come back later.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's funny.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
You see what you no, it's ever evolving. The Bega
verse and Igu they always have new and exciting ways
to infiltrate your lives.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Do you think we can get Lou Bega on board
for sort of a tie in or at least an
end credit song. I my first series of.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
I would spend a silly amount of money that I
shouldn't spend on getting a cameo of lube.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But he's not on Okay, I was gonna get.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
A camera too good, he's too a listener.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, he's a mambo number five rights.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Apparently Stephen King was so obsessed with that song his
wife threatened to leave him if he played it one
more time.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Know that I'm imagining. The man has interesting taste in music.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Let's just put the lou Bega, rude of Bega, something
else Bega and it always I think I think we
can make it happen.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, it's a it's a rude bagel in uh gumbo, right,
it's yeah. You gotta get out of somebody together.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Somebody listening right now knows Lou or knows somebody who
knows Lou.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Is he still making work? Is he? Is he out there?
We're gonna kill hustling mambo?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You remember Bacon this Okay?
Speaker 8 (04:53):
What was it your Scaman John?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Yeah, a few years ago, but lou Bega did a
tribute song called the Scatman and the hat Man.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Go ahead, that's all there is. Go ahead. Legal just
texted us we are not allowed to play the full song, but.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You do need to your imagination.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You do need to check it out, as Dylan is saying,
and you also should realize if you're ready for that
bag of badgers, the scatman had an entirely different career
in the nation of Japan, far after the West treated
him as a novelty. We are so excited to share
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some perhaps controversial, to be honest, correspondence from our fellow
conspiracy realist. Now, guys, before we go into our ad break,
we remember our episode on the Naga, the so called
serpent gods of certain parts of the world, and I
(06:00):
believe it's fair to say it's surprised all five of us,
hopefully the four of us hear your faithful correspondence and
you the most important part of the show, the audience.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Well, yeah, I think it definitely did. We got a
lot of fascinating feedback on that and it just kind
of keeps coming in. But I tell you, the big
takeaway from me was that that fantastic Naga hide Dad
joke that came Remember that one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
There, I guess you are a s IMPRISTI I was
super we broke back.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
We'll be speaking of writing back. We'll be right back
and Noel, can you take us in with this Naga stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I sure can, and we're back. And I'm just kidding.
It wasn't just the Naga high Joe. I can't even
remember the setup. I just remember the punchline was Naga hide,
which is a outdated faux leather. I'm not mistaken. But
it was a good joke worth it, as Ben would say.
(07:03):
But we had way more fascinating stuff than just bad
dad jokes coming in about our conversation around the Eldridge, Snake, God,
deity entities. What are the Naga? And we got this
one from a new listener slash viewer who discovered us
on Netflix, and I guess the beauty here is hopefully
(07:24):
this listener or viewer will not become a listener since
these Listener Mail episodes are not on Netflix. So this
is how it's done. Y'all find us on Netflix, stick
around for the audio only segments like today's Listener Mail.
Let's jump right in with a message from Bill in Colorado.
I think it's okay to go with Bill in Colorado
(07:45):
it's got to be a lot of bills in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Sure, we cook at least well at least at least.
It's going to be tough to sort out which is which.
So here we go. Bill in Colorado says, Hi, guys,
I just started watching STDWYTK on Netflix and was an
instant fan. Thank you. That's awesome. I just watched the
Naga episode and what you said about worship not necessarily
meaning belief really stuck with me. That's I think that
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came from a little side convo we were having about
how some of the descriptions or the depictions of the
worship of these Naga or specifically I think around the
snake god Glikan, it was all theatrics and puppetry, and
there was a whole sense of do they actually believe
that this is real? Or is the theatrics and the
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whole spectacle of it kind of part of it? And
it doesn't even require acts absolute belief and adherents and
you know, believing that you are in fact interfacing with
some sort of ancient deity going on. A more recent
example would be something like the Church of Satan and
Anton Levey. We're all big fans he was an atheist
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and basically a theater kid. Some others later got involved
who were true believers, and things started to get a
little murky, which is kind of when Anton pretty much
got bored with it and wanted to move on. But
the point is the whole thing was started as performance
are ritual, as team building, and a tongue in cheek
response to mainstream Christianity. The early adopters knew it was
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all bullshit, but they joined and participated and still got
what they were seeking from it. Humans like to think
we have come so far intellectually and are so different
from our predecessors, but we really aren't, and we really haven't.
It's entirely possible that was me saying the haven't part.
By the way, don't want to put words in Bill's mouth.
It's entirely possible that those participating in the Glican worship
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were fully aware of what was going on, that this
was just a dude with his hand in like a
Beanie and Cecil kind of puppet. Not Beanie, just Cecil.
He was the sea monster. Just something that occurred to
me while watching the episode. Oh my gosh, guys, I
can't wait to unpack this together, but he then gifted
us with something I think we might start featuring a
(10:06):
little more on the pod, a random fact that Ben's
always asking for at the end of every episode. And
we're really starting to get some excellent material flooding in
from the conspiracy realists out there. So let's let's give
this random fact from our buddy in Ohio. Bearded dragons,
he says, and many other reptiles and birds are tetra
chromatic and so can see four colors as opposed to
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humans who can only see three. What is true, Yell?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
According to Bill, Let's find out if he's right.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
A Bill from Colorado.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Verify.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. Also, yeah, Bill, trust for verify. This is really interesting.
Just to interject here really quickly, Bill and Noell, we
know that some few humans actually have a higher number
all of the receptors like rods and cones that allow
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for more more sophisticated perception, perception, a more sophisticated perception
of color, and one of those works with us.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Oh my gosh, are we gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
The we We know we can't. We can't because of dark,
because of dark.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I don't know this person, Hippa. Well, Bill does go
on to mention something along those lines, Ben and saying
that opposed to humans four colors as opposed to humans
who can only see three, aside from rare mutations that
can result in a human with tetrachromatic vision, bearded dragons
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specifically see purple in addition to red, yellow, and green,
allowing them to see into the UV a wavelength of
the light spectrum. Once again, love the show and can't
wait to start listening to your other shows once I
run out of Netflix material. I was thinking about Ridiculous
History is my next fora unless you think something else
will be better? Well, who are we to say other
(12:05):
than yeah, listen to Ridiculous History. We have a good
time on that show. Non biased. But we need to
write back to Bill because I don't I wonder if
he knows that there are there are episodes that don't
make it to the Netflix feed and that he's going
to be in one. He is in one, So I
think we got to write him back through the email
and let him know that this email is going to
(12:25):
be featured in this here our weekly non Netflix listener
mail segment. But guys, this was one of I really
enjoyed this part of the conversation, and I think we
all really enjoy the thought experiments that go into talking
about what belief is, what leads to worship, the nature
of belief, the nature of worship of deities, of polytheism,
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of like the battle between polytheism and monotheism, and like,
Also we often talk about how, you know, these people
in power that are throwing around all these religious edicts
and and in philosophies, how many of them actually are
true believers? You know, at the end of the day.
Is much of it a way of controlling others and
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you know, just wielding influence. But I think the reason
I love this whole thing of they know that it's
not real, is it sort of it puts agency back
into the worshippers, as opposed to treating them like mindless
sheep being manipulated by some puppet master. So I just
I really dig that, like religion as performance art, you know,
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like sort of the ontological hysterics, Like there's a theatrical
movement that really is a heavily i don't know, myth
coded kind of deep, deep form of performance art. And
I just really really enjoy that. So I don't know,
what do you guys, think about this belief versus worship.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I keep thinking about sheep nol because recently I have
learned that if let's say, Hugh Jackman goes missing or
is presumed.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Dead stop, that sheep will.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
From what happens sheep.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Part of sheepy is there made out to me? I
think sheep get a bad rap, and I'm the first
one to apologize for even using that in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I sure the reference.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It's a movie called The Sheep Detectives or something like
that about about anthropomorph They're not anthropomorphact, they're just cgi
but they look like sheep, but they can talk, and
they are trying to solve a crime in a very
quaint and delightful British countryside murder mystery. No spoilers. I
only watched the first little bit, but it seemed great.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, thank you guys for introducing that Hugh Jackman a
phenomenal actor. I think we can get the name.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Right, Matt sheep Detective. Yes, but I agree, Uh, you're.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Being a bit of a smarty pants there, Matt, and
I'm going to allow it, but also I'm going to
have to have to push back a little bit and
ask you to dig deeper. What do you think of
belief versus versus worship?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Well, it's in my experience, there is this very interesting
spectrum when it comes to belief. And I know that
experience that I'm assuming a lot of people have had
where you've been sitting in a pew during a worship
session or you know, a church sermon.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Or willed a session. Yeah, and it's just it's fun.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, like praise music is often this kind of flow
that you get into, and I know that state. But
I guess what I mean is there's a spectrum between
fully wholeheartedly believing that something is true and then really
versus perhaps having an appreciation for whatever it is that
either you are getting out of this thing or how
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it's affecting you personally or the people around you, without
actually believing that the stuff that's being talked about is real.
I wonder how many human beings you know, sit there
on a Saturday or Sunday during whatever worship is happening,
don't fully believe, but they just like what they're getting
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out of it for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And Ben, I mean, I know that there's something that
we talk about often just the spectrum of belief. It
is not a always. I mean it can be, and
that's usually the version of it that can have negative
consequence as a black and white thing. There can be
Like I believe in what the Bible represents, but I
don't necessarily believe that Adam and Eve, you know, birthed
humanity and that there was a snake who is the
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devil that I think some of these stories are more
meant to demonstrate concepts that would be good to live
according to, rather than be taken as gospel, no pun intended.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, absolutely, Noel and Bill, this is crazy fascinating to us.
I'm hopefully not using the royal inclusive here because it
should be fascinating to every body. Just like you're saying,
there is a psychological compulsion right for so for dynamics.
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So like Matt was saying earlier, there are people who may,
when put to the question, not personally genuinely one hundred
percent believe in whatever mythology or spiritual system is being proposed,
but they do know that society treats them a different
way if they practice it. Or you go to a
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concert and you don't necessarily you just don't care, right right,
You don't necessarily love or even know the band or
their lore, but you love the environment. Or you, for instance,
you don't consider yourself as sportsman, you don't know a
ton about sports, but you go to a stadium or
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an arena and the energy is galvatizing and electric, you know,
and you like, Yeah, with the knicks, you like basketball
for that moment.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I don't know a thing about basketball. I don't particularly
find myself interested in watching or participating in the actual
sports of it all, but the absolute passion and fervor
on display is infectious, and I could see maybe finding
myself getting swept up in that a little bit, especially
since I've been in the city a decent amount and
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been around all of the festivities and people just being
so excited in the streets about all of that stuff.
I can see the draw, I can see the pull,
and I can participate in that and get something out
of it without really caring too much about the sport itself.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Because what we're caring about at that point, Bill, is
the social dynamic involved. Right. The humans are very the
tribal group oriented group project folks. So you can, and
this is true, you can go to something like a
sumo match and you don't have to speak jazz and ease,
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but you clock when other people are feeling good or
when you're riding the tide of the things. So we
are fans, I hope of going to holy places. A
lot of very religious almost set outfits, institutions, belief systems.
(19:23):
They're more than happy to have you, even if you
are not practicing you know, Islam or Judaism or Christianity
or Buddhism or what have you. They'll say, show up,
hang out with us. And there's that's the reason, Ben.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I think I mentioned to you that I recently, for
the very first time, went to a Hindu temple here
in the Atlanta area with some friends and to meet
some folks who did practice there, who invited us to go.
And I got there early before the person that I
knew got there, and I kind of found myself like, Okay,
how do I want to make sure that I'm being
respectful here? You're supposed to leave your shoes in your car,
(20:00):
like walk from your car to the temple barefoot. So
I did all of that. There's all these signs, and
then I just kind of sat in the back and
listened as they did all of these incredible polymetric chants.
And obviously I didn't understand a word of the text,
but there's something about the feeling of being in that
space with others who are, you know, reacting that you
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can't help but kind of be affected by. And I
don't think it doesn't require, you know, having some sort
of ax to grind. Theologically speaking, you know, so sex
to grind is the wrong term. I just mean skin
in the game. In that respect, you can still if
you're open to it, you can still get something about it.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's the exacerbated version of reading the room right. You
feel the vibe, the energy. And one thing before we
like before I de realized that I don't want to
the worship versus belief thing that you're talking about one
of the twelve bills in Colorado. This is this fundamental principle,
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this axiom. If someone believes something that makes them better
toward other humans, then is that not a plus?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
That's what I've always said, that's certainly my philosophy. Is
when you start seeing people wielding religion like a weapon
or as a way of other or I just don't
think that's the wrong approach. And I think most true
believers are folks that are using belief in the way
that you're describing. Ben would probably agree with that and
would feel that those using it in a way to
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belittle others or to make others feel small or less than.
I think hopefully if they truly are good people, they
would say that's not what they're about.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And the people that do it the other way, I
would argue believe less are more likely to be not
true beliefs that they're using it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
It is exactly yeah, man, I mean, it's the idea,
Bill Noel, Matt Tennessee, everybody. It's the idea that you know,
folks who genuinely believe in their chosen spirituality, the genuinely
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holy folks are almost always super cool hangs. The folks who,
like you said, no, are not weaponizing something like we
are privileged living in the southeastern United States to be
able to hang out at a huge Hindu temple called Baps.
We're privileged to be able to hang out at Catholic monastery,
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and all of those people are super duper chill.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's funny, though, the more we talk about this, the
more I realize that I think I and I'm just
speaking for myself here, I worship all kinds of stuff,
but it doesn't it doesn't mean that I believe in
every religion as some kind of fundamental truth. But I
just sort of like me sitting at that temple is
a form of worship, is particularly but not in any
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kind of dismissive way or like I'm like cheapening any
of it. Like to me, it's just that's how I
choose to take my experience, and like, at the end
of the day, just being alive and being grateful and
just enjoying your surroundings as a form of worship, and
just living right can be a form of worship and
trying to be kind to others.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
For everybody tuning in. So Matt is holding up a
twenty dollars twenty dollars US bill.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Worship at that too, Worship.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
At me, which is funny because in Abramaic faith, if
I'm I don't want to pull a book out. But
if I'm recalling correctly, it's not money itself that is
evil in Methos, it's a love of love, right, So
that's yeah, usury as well, very big deal.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
And obviously I'm joking when I say I worship money.
But it is the system that we exist in, and
it's you got to kind of keep yourself in check
because it is a powerful thing and it can create
a feeling of emptiness and a feeling of constant need
of acquisition if you don't. And a lot of that
comes from a lack of faith or a lack of belief,
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or a lack of even belief in oneself that they
need to constantly be striving. That's what religion is trying
to solve, isn't it. Religion is trying to solve that
existential problem of what am I? And how when is
enough enough? And what am I actually here to do?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, right, and invite you also, once you get
past the fact that a lot of early religions were
used to rationalize social hierarchies and justify the effectual economic
enslavement of others. Once we get past that, we have
to understand that a lot of religion tells you there's
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some kind of main character thing for you, and that
the natural inclination of the human to worship itself becomes
rationalized by saying, oh, yeah, I'm very big, I'm a
very important part of this, right, and if I play
the game correctly, that I shall be rewarded according to
(25:32):
my worth, which is to me the most important thing.
It's it's very weird. There's a great stuff you should
know episode from gosh, guys, maybe more than a decade
ago now, about the nature of altruism.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
So right, like, are you giving truly for others or
are you giving to make yourself feel better or to
justify you know, this notion that you're a good person?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And what is the what is the operational difference?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And what's the difference? I think about that all.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh, guys, Noel todes Matt, We've got to ask I've
got to ask you guys. Okay, snake people, lizard people,
real or not built, that's got what we're getting too.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, I really want to talk about how, yeah, in
that vein Ben, how or why rather did nature decide
to get rid of the whole ability to see uva
Because if we're following along evolutionary theory the mammals and
the reptiles, you know, the mammals came after the reptiles, right,
(26:42):
if we're following that theory, it seems like that would
be a super useful thing to have, unless maybe I
don't know what do you think, Ben, like no and Noel,
what what do you think caused that? It feels like
that's the thing we would keep around.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
It does imply tent in evolution, which I know you
know there there are examples of that, right, But that's
why when we were talking about mirror, DNA and RNA
the other day, there was this idea of like, is
evolution would do you ascribe the movement of God's hand
and the you know, God's will in evolution? And is
(27:22):
it always beneficial? And it can be, but then there
can be things that aren't or that are more arbitrary.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Right, Operationally, evolution is brute force hacking towards specialization and
arriving at a niche such that an organism can successfully
reproduce in a biome. And the same thing is happening digitally. Now, Oh,
I'm reaching for the wrong book. This one is called
(27:50):
I dare you with the next comation mark. So, going
to that question proposed by you, Matt, regarding how something
could evolve to lose special abilities, another question would be
why can birds perceive electromagnetic patterns and the humans cannot?
(28:16):
Fun random fact for you folks, this is pro bono here.
Did you guys know that humans are pretty exceptional with
being able to see three colors? As you said, nol,
most mammals are around two colors, which is why your
dogs might be mystified by certain things. Tigers actual an
(28:39):
apex predator that looks bright orange to a lot of
us tuning in this evening, they look green, they're camoed
up to most of the animals they eat like, they're
not bright orange to their price.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Is that why the tiger and he man looks green?
You think they were inspired by that?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I don't know, man, that's a good question. Everybody check
out Ridiculous History History of Saturday Morning Cartoons.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
It's coming, yeah, I hope you do. Actually will probably
be out in the little bit. It's not out by
the time this comes out. It'll be out in a
day or so. Yeah. Yeah, But man, what a fun conversation.
This is red meat for us. I think we just
love this kind of stuff. This is the ultimate in
thought experimentation. And you know, we all have various forms
of belief and backgrounds and histories, you know, in terms
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of like our religious upbringings or or lack of or whatever,
and it's just so interesting where people get, you know,
in their in their lives with these kinds of questions.
And I think we're all super open to people of
all kinds of beliefs and all kinds of mix and
matches of all of these different types of faiths. And
at the end of the day, it's just, you know,
(29:48):
I think our mantras be cool, be nice to each it,
be excellent to each other. Right, that's right, Bill, Yes,
that's right. Wait that's different. Yes, wait that's way. It's world. Well,
thanks so much again, Bill from Colorado. To take a break, Yeah, exactly.
We're gonna take a break, have word from our sponsor,
and then come back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And we've returned.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Bill from Colorado far superior to Bill from Oregon. I'm
not sure if you're familiar with Bill Cipher from Oregon.
Very dangerous, fellow, very triangular. We should all be afraid
of Bill from Oregon. Okay, if he tries to, you know,
come to you and make a bargain with you, do
not listen to Bill Cipher. Okay, we're gonna jump to
(30:39):
a message we got from someone named Salamander Taco. Salamander
Taco is pointing out to us a very cool individual
that exists in the world, and it's an individual who's
on a mission. And we like folks like that, somebody
who has a mission in life, someone who works really
(30:59):
hard at attempting to make that mission happen. So let's
jump to this this taco of salamanders and find out
what they're talking about.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Hey, guys, salamander taco here. I don't know one your
radar at all, But there this gentleman named Steve Iimers
in Tennessee, and he is well. Tragically, he lost his
daughter to a crash to a guardrail. She hit a
guardrail and it penetrated the cabinet, killed her. Terrible story.
(31:32):
It's awful stuff. But Steve the guardrail guy is taken
to being like an activist and it's really great stuff.
But specifically, what I want to draw your attention to
is the flock cameras in Tennessee. He's noticed that the
nearly installed flock cameras which you all I've been talking about,
are being installed improperly. They are not being installed with
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the proper break place at the bottom of the post.
Simply if you crash into this thing, it's like hitting
a true The flock company, whoever they are, did millions
of dollars in research and development for this specific plate,
but they're being installed incorrectly all over the state. I
don't even know if it's just the state, but stuff
is great. You guys should look into it something that
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may be valuable to everyone.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Oh Man, thank you so much Salamander Taco for letting
us know about this individual and their quest and what's
happening there and then connecting it back to a topic
that we just discussed, flock cameras.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
When we talked flock cameras, we talked about how there
are many different ways they can be installed, places they
can be installed, and one of the primary ones, I
don't know actually how much detail we went into it
in the episodes, but one of the primary ways these
flock cameras are installed, the way you might see them
along the roadside where you live is it's a black pole.
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It's steel, and it's anchored into the ground near intersections,
usually on streets. And what the guardrail guy slash Steve
Eimer's slash our caller here is talking about is often
when these are installed, as they have been across Tennessee
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that Steve is looking at. They are just cemented into
the ground. So imagine a big block of cement in
the dirt and then a huge steel pole going into
that cement. What do we think could be the problem
to have an object like that just right near an intersection?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Well, I mean that seems like a hazard kind of right, like.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
A yes, a major hazard, because if you've got you know,
if you've got steel in cement that is a largely
immovable object, or it will be more difficult to move.
Let's say, when a vehicle that's made out of plastics
and tear away parts and steal uh interacts with that
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thing at a high speed, you're looking at cutting through
a vehicle. Much in the same way that Steve Eimers
on his quest has been going around and looking at
guardrails that are installed improperly or poorly or you know,
makeshift or in ways that could cause real damage to
somebody driving on the road. You can, I guess we
(34:25):
maybe let's watch one of these videos. We probably don't
need to use the audio from it because it is
Steve's Instagram account and we don't want to take anything
away from that. But maybe if we watch it. We'll
get a better idea of what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Here.
Speaker 10 (34:40):
Find a flock camera that's been on a slipplight like
what was crash tested at Texas A and M flock
had to have paid well over one hundred thousand dollars.
I bet, because I know what crash testing costs. They
ran test three sixty three sixty one, three sixty two.
And it's a slip plate. It's kind of stub here
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and then a triangle shape and it's designed when impacted
to break off and instead that's embedded in concrete. I
have both, I have both designed your owns.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
No that I get it. So it's what they're just like,
they're going against safety protocols and in a in a
an attempt to speed up the installation or is there
negligence going on here? I think that's what I'm clocking.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Well, that's the big question, uh. In part of Steve's
quest is to figure out how much of these errors
that occur in both guardrails and in sometimes the signage,
like just something as simple as a sign that you
might see like a yield sign or a sign that
tells you what exit is coming up, and all these
things They're all designed to be breakaway in some form
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so that if a vehicle impacts them, the top part,
the part that's sticking out of the ground, will just
break away and won't you know, tear through car. When
we're talking about negligence, I think the big question here
is is it negligence? Is it someone just doing it
not knowing that that's what they're supposed to do, or
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someone just not falling along because it's going to cost
more money when it comes to like corporate expenditures and
things like that. The reason why this is so important
to Steve is because his daughter was killed in a
crash where the guardrail did something it was not supposed
to do it. They are not designed to tear through
a vehicle and kill a teenager when their vehicle impacts
(36:34):
a guardrail. Right, you can read all about Steve's journey
and his quest and the tragedy that occurred to his daughter.
You can go all over the internet. One of the
best things we found was written by Corporate Crime Reporter
on March twenty eighth, twenty twenty two. It's titled Steve
Eimers Won't Be Silenced, and it goes into great detail
(36:57):
about what occurred. We don't want to get into the
whole thing here, m M. But his daughter impacted a
guard rail terminal, which is like the end of a guardrail.
You guys have seen that before, where a guardrail begins
or ends essentially in this case.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, So I guess the question then becomes like, is
there an investigation, like is that the question? Or if
there is, will there be some sort of reckoning, like
because it seems like when there's this kind of hustle
to install so many of these so quickly, that there
might be corners cut or like things overlooked in the
(37:36):
interest of just getting it done and getting as many
of these things up as possible, And then you can
always ask for forgiveness later rather than permission. I don't know.
I'm not sure if I'm thinking about this correctly.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
You won't know what's a problem until somebody impacts it
with their car, right, I see? Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Like, so it's not like they're purposefully ignoring this notion
of something needing to be breakaway because they don't even
it's not quite in the same category, or this is
sort of like a new Like That's what I'm confused
about because it seems like it should be held to
the same standards as these other signage and roadway you
(38:12):
know installations, but for whatever reason, because of what it
is and then being kind of new, it's not.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
There are all kinds of lawsuits happening right now, not
specifically with these flock you know, poles, but with guardrails,
with all kinds of other highway safety things. You can
look all of this stuff up. We'll just send you
one other place WTSP Channel ten in Tampa Bay, Florida.
(38:41):
There was a story in May of this year. NTSB
reveals speed and improperly installed guardrail played role in severity
of deadly Florida crash. And this one is about a
group of people that impacted a guardrail that was not
installed correctly and korea over into some water where multiple
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people perished. One of the main points Steve makes in
one of his videos is that the clear zone. He
talks a lot about the clear zone, which is almost
like off the shoulder of any street when it's the
right of way, so like the direction of vehicles moving
on and then just to the right of that, that's
like the clear zone in a specific area. And he
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talks about anything that's in there, there is a responsibility
to make sure it is breakaway right and it is crashworthy,
and just how much responsibility comes with being in that area.
And then he shows you some of the signs that
are there, again like pieces of steel sticking up out
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of the ground, but they are designed in such a
way that right out of the concrete slab right near
the ground, there's a piece of the steel, you know,
the grated steel. You've seen the signs right where it's
a bunch of hole in a piece of steel, and
this one has a secondary piece of steel that is
where the sign is put into that primary piece of
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steel and that secondary one where the sign is we'll
just flop down and get out of the way if
you crash into it. But with those with the flock poles.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It just won't do that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Just kind of rambling at this point, Guys. It's really
upsetting that something as simple as this could end up
taking a life or several lives.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And I guess when you go through it like that, Matt,
I mean, obviously you know when there's infrastructure being installed
and things like this, things are going to get missed.
But I guess the issue here is that these things,
a ton of them went up very very quickly all
over the place, especially in like here at Atlanta, you
know where it's like kind of ground zero for these things.
So with regular traffic updates or installations, you're not going
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to have as many things happening all at once with this.
If there is a problem, it could be creating like
a much larger risk because of how many and how
quickly go up if there is a default a defect right,
mm hmm, so it looks like an A eight. Just
privacy that's at risk.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Here, agreed, Ben your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yes, Salamander Taco first off, excellent name, and we have
a pretty pretty uh smart elite cadre of chefs who
are going to write to us and tell us how
to make a Salamander taco, so as stay tuned for that.
If you liked caper Dia also Matt Noele Uh, you
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guys are are raising serious points. We have to realize
that there are there are so many people who are
really like like Steve Weibers, They're they're heroes born of tragedy.
We were conspiracy realists. We were a bit concerned when
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we did our two part episode on flock. Uh, we
were a bit concern that we might get in a
little bit of hot water, and then I think we
all encountered the baiter minehoff Right. Noel was saying he
saw flock cameras everywhere as we did our research, and well,
I at least saw one. Yeah, and I've never seen
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a single one before. Yeah. Uh. And Matt, I forgot
to ask you on that episode, did you see flock
cameras in your neck of the woods. Oh?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, I think we talked about it. There are multiples
right near where I exist.
Speaker 9 (42:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
We also talked about infrastructure a couple of times on
this show, and famously John Oliver talked about he did
a huge.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Piece in Trundling sixteen twenty.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Fifteen maybe where you're just discussing all of the things
that you know, different the different states within the US
need to address. In this case, I'm is pretty focused
on Tennessee because that's where he lives. And you know,
you end up having to go on a state by
state basis for things like this, which means it's going
to be a long, hard fought back. We've also seen
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states like California attempting to make pretty big moves in
different areas, like with the plastics. One use plastics being
banned in California or at least an attempt to pass
a law about that, and then we see the pushback
with seventeen other states suing California to try and make
sure that law doesn't go through in one state, because
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if it happens in California, often because the market is
so large there, things happen in other states. I wonder
if there is I don't know enough information about are
there specific laws in California that would prevent flock from
being able to install a single camera in this way
rather than the proper way?
Speaker 4 (43:42):
But that would be a scene park. If there were
going to be a state that would do it, it
would be them, right.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Well, yeah, because you know, it could be a really
good thing and force everybody else to kind of fall
in line to some extent to protect everybody, you know,
because it's a good look, even though it might be
a little expensive.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
But you don't think that that's one of the kinds
of things that maybe a current like administration like we've
got now would say that that's just overreach and that's like,
you know, big government, and that we need to like
leave well enough alone, you.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, and a waste of tax dollars ballroom. So anyway,
I guess we'll just see what happens. Thank you so much,
mister salamander of the tacos.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
We will I need a salamander taco. It might be
delicious if it was if it was lightly killed.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
And humane, you know, yes, the question then would just
from your snack stuff days. He is nodding in approval.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Here we go, h one more around the commercials and
then more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
And we have returned folks where coming in hot with
something that may get us in trouble, but that's our
that's our remit as a show. I guess we're the uh,
we're the little engine that could, right, So we're going
to hear from a returning guest PCC thirty eight lightning
All one were no spaces and this is the deep water.
(45:16):
So before we get to the deep water real quick,
I don't want to muddy this up with strange news,
but were you guys tuned in to the recent announcement
of Scotis decisions for the term. We're recording on Tuesday,
June thirtieth, twenty twenty six, I.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Heard that they overturned the overturning of birthright. Yes, yeah,
which seems cool. Yeah, And I believe they significantly expanded
presidential powers over the executive and in a specifically way
that I'm not quite oh cracking, but I believe it
has to do with being able to remove members of
(45:58):
sort of like the I believe the well.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Do you have Oh my god, I almost did the
Eminem quote. By the way, one of Stephen King's favorite
rappers there the Mili You're right there. The Supreme Court
of the United States of America recently did some very
bad stuff to out people who are trans for sure,
(46:23):
and then recently it all happened in the same day,
like you're saying, they reacted to the birthright Citizenship executive
Order that violates the fourteenth Amendment. They said, no, that's crazy.
That's why they are amendments. You have to amend the Constitution.
You can't wake up and say I don't like orphans
(46:47):
or whatever. That guy's on. The one I think you're
talking about in specific was the idea that the United
States president, whomever, they may be very Russian in that regard,
can fire at will any federal position except for not
(47:10):
the FTC, the Federal Reserve's yeah, sorry, you got it,
just Fed. They said, you can mess with everything but
the money.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Because the FED has historically been sort of insulated from
a lot of these government shenanigans. And that's a big
beef that Trump has had with you know, holding their
feet to the fire and saying that Jerome Powell is
incompetent because he wouldn't raise lower interest rates and traditionally,
historically the FED has sort of had a lot of
autonomy in that respect and by design.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Right, Yeah, it's a very uh check out our earlier
episodes on that and check out what happened in matt
What was it? Was it nineteen thirteen?
Speaker 3 (47:53):
What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:54):
The yeah?
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Creature?
Speaker 10 (47:58):
It is?
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Which one?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
That one? You nailed? It was at this oh yeah,
and we're still dealing with it today. So wanted to
just put that out because this stuff matters, It gets
ignored often, and it does have real world consequence. I
can't believe it was a six to three ruling, you guys,
(48:19):
with three people dissenting against the idea of the fourteenth Amendment.
Beat me here, Dylan, the US Constitution. There were three
people who are supposed to be the smartest legal minds
in a country of almost three hundred and fifty million people,
and three of them were like, I don't know what
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does domicile mean? Also, alitos were retiring.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
There's a dude we have to talk about. He's the
kingmaker for the Supreme Court. I can't think of his name.
I just talked about him with my partner. He's a dude.
Who is that not a lot of people know about.
But oh god, I'm gonna get it wrong here. But
there is one man. I'm not kidding you guys. It's
one man that has been putting justices through to the
(49:09):
Supreme Court. We got to do a full, full episode,
if not a series, because he's got all these organizations
that funnel people up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Well, I will also say, I don't know about that, Matt,
And I'm sure that that's true, and I can't wait
to hear more. But I did see a video of
a reporter, an eagle eyed reporter, who saw Clarence Thomas
leaving a building on Capitol Hill that houses the Speaker
of the House, his office, and the other top Republican.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Officials and he's just walking.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
He's walking out of there like he's just had a meeting.
And this person's like, what you doing there, buddy? Who
you meet it? He goes nobody, nothing, nothing, I'm just here.
I'm just walking. I mean, give me a break. There
should not even be any any perception of that kind
of conflict of interest.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, bizarreers. Fraternization is non ideal when the branches are
supposed to be collegiate yet distinct, autonomous and separate. Also,
we are well aware that we record in the state
of Georgia, where Justice Thomas originates from. I haven't finished
(50:24):
reading his dissent because it came out so recently, but
it's ninety pages long and it's all about how he
thinks the fourteenth Amendment is bad. So here I'll pause
before we get to you. PC thirty eight Lightning, Matt,
(50:46):
you found the guy.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yes, a dude named Leonard Leo, and he is a
fascinating character to look up. He is the chairman of
the board of Directors of the Federalist Society. Federalist Society,
which is a group we need to look into, and
a human being we need to look into again. Leonard Leo,
and I really think it has a lot to do
(51:09):
with one of the other major Supreme Court decisions that
just came down with regards to campaign finance.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Or for yeah, yeah, no breaks all no breaks, no guardrails.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Just good dude, just like hear this.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
The Supreme Court strikes down limits on political party spending.
What do you think as a human being that wants
to listen to this show right now? What do you
think that means for you versus what it means for
the technocrats, the oligarchs, the billionaires. What does that mean
for you versus them?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And with that PCC eight, Lightning, we're getting to this now.
Apologies again, it's deep water. A lot of stuff is
happening that does indeed, we question the foundational fabric and
the cornerstones of the American experiment. So everybody should be concerned.
(52:10):
Here's what you said, Lightning. If we could be familiar
with you, you say, quote, I must say thank you
in advance for taking up the challenge that is the
USS liberty. It is a place that many fear to tread.
At many times, the liberty has been used to support
an anti Semitic agenda, even for those that haven't used
(52:33):
it in that way, they can get painted with that
brush to silence their voice. This has led to their
never being a congressional investigation as much money from Jewish
lobbying groups have wanted to keep the story under the covers.
People rarely separate Judaism from Israel. If you are critical
(52:55):
of the state of Israel, you are anti Semitic. Can
you say theocracy? Now? Want to pause here because as
we all know, backstage, we've been having a correspondence with
Lightning and several of us who make this show together.
We have Jewish heritage, and I think it is a
(53:19):
great credit to this show, in particular our little Show
That Could, that we have always, you guys, taken pains
to understand that the people of a place are never
the government of a place, not really, you know what
I mean. It's not like it's not like three hundred
(53:43):
and forty nine something million people in the United States
agree on anything, right, So we are very aware of
that broad brush, and we are anti racist. We are
very much pro people being able to live safely, to
(54:05):
eat food, you know, whenever you want eating food that's awesome,
drink drinking clean water, and having kids that will have
opportunities better than those of their forebearers. So I don't know, man,
the USS Liberty is it's a touchy concept, but we get.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Yeah, it's a horrifying thing that occurred, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yes, sir, very much so. I mean lightning continues. There
can be much discussed mistakes were made in communications, but
too few people are able to be open minded and
even handed or just selective of the facts they choose
to use in pursuit of their side of the argument.
(54:53):
And we'll get to USS liberty in a second. Actually,
you know what, let's do it now. A little bit
of a spoiler for the actual episod. So a story
the Jedi may not tell you, fellow conspiracy realist, is
that on June eighth, nineteen sixty seven, or eight June,
if you are outside of the US, in the middle
(55:14):
of something called the Six Day War, a sigand Signals
intelligence ship called the USS Liberty was attacked. One hundred
and seventy people were wounded, thirty four people officially were dead.
This was called one of the most bloody and bizarre
(55:35):
peacetime encounters in US naval history. It was friendly fire,
it was accidental. That's the official story. But if you
speak with folks who were aboard and survived or in
the area, they will often tell you even the spoopy
(55:55):
doope guys, like the really old ones who are out
of the game now obviously, they will tell you that
the attack was deliberate, and they will further tell you
it was a cover up.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
It's tough to make a major accident for over twenty
minutes in a row when there are missiles and death occurring.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, because even when people will walk around, like have
you ever done that thing where somebody's walking directly on
your track and you try to go one way and
they tried to go to the same way, and then
you have that little scrimmage line that resolves pretty quickly,
right unless one of the two actors is a jerk.
(56:41):
So something like that happening for that extended amount of
time with people dying, you know, it's very high stake stuff.
It's also bringing us back to Lightning's message. Lightning, you continue,
and we did get your approval to share this on air.
I was in the White House Rose Garden with the
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Liberty's Crew and Captain William McGonagall on June eighth or
eight June nineteen ninety one. We were supposed to be
greeted by President Bush Senior. This was to happen after
the Gulf War victory Parade, which, by the way, lightning
whole other bag of badgers. Captain McGonagall had been awarded
(57:27):
the Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions on the
USS liberty, but had never been invited to the White House,
the People's House, in recognition of his service and his valor.
The President's limo came around the driveway. Let's all picture this,
and Potus waved to the assemblage through the limousine window,
(57:50):
got out of the car and went inside. We waited,
and we waited, and the door opened and out came
the White House Chief of Staff, a guy named John
su New, and National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft. No motus.
(58:10):
Apologies were given as they shook hands with the crew.
The next thing we knew we were being escorted out
to our bus. As we made our way out, we're
saying happy birthday, dear Barbara. It was the first lady's
birthday again, folks, that is eight June nineteen ninety one.
(58:34):
So pause there, Why why is somebody being ignored, right, Like,
why are veterans being ignored at the White House.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
We're gonna have to look into that and find an
answer that will keep us alive.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Especially because we're going on the ices later. That's not
the time, but it is true. This Lightning's take care. Lightning.
You say, the story we heard later was that there
were some folks from the Israeli embassy waiting for the
President when he got out of the car. The discussion
(59:14):
was described as, we don't think it would be a
good idea for you to be seen with those people.
End quote wosh whosh. I don't know if I like
veterans being described as those people. Yeah, so, Lightning, you continue,
you say, the nineteen ninety two election was coming up,
(59:36):
and President Bush was riding high on the Gulf War victory,
but still a politician and also still former head of
the CIA. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, so, Lightning.
You also point out that our open state that we
(01:00:00):
are going to do an episode on the USS Liberty
was followed by statements from Kentucky Congressman Massey about the
continuing conspiratorial allegations and possible cover ups. I don't know guys,
is this the one? Is this going to be the
(01:00:21):
one for us that gets us in trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I mean, the more I'm looking at it, Yeah, Ben,
this is the one. I can't believe McGonagall was awarded
the Medal of Honor by the Secretary of Navy. Yeah,
rather than the President and not at the White House.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
See how far we're hiding. We're like pushing it off.
Give me five feet right yeah? Ken?
Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
No, what do you think? Man? Are you going to
sail with us on this week?
Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
Two?
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
I'm what even if I wasn't, because it's a good time.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
That's my back man, right there. Folks, You know you
say Lightning that you could share some other tales, and
we love to hear them. We do want to point
out that your name probably refers to the locky p
thirty eight Lightning, So it seems like you've got some
(01:01:24):
stories in the past, fellow conspiracy realist. But you did
have one question that we are going to end on tonight.
It is this. You sent us a picture and asked
about some of our background, asked about some of our background.
You collected on a book that we have with us. Now, guys,
(01:01:49):
you can see this, right, I think you can see
how that says ask.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yes, that does say asks.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Okay, all right, so Lightning, because you spent so much
time supporting our show, and because you write so beautifully
and you're asking us about dangerous things that you're asking
us about, keep it. You're asking us about dangerous things.
We will give you the full title of this book.
(01:02:16):
Anybody have any guesses? Just spoiler. It's not as cool
as you think.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Silurian bringing it back to the lizard peeps shadow, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Ag Slurian salamander. Okay, no, what you got?
Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
What you got? There's nothing better than aging Solarian salamander.
Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I withdraw. Yeah, who doesn't love us? Hilarian Milf. I
don't know if we should keep that part. But here
is the here's the answer. It is the best American
short stories. This is the two thousand and nine edition.
It's a banger uh stem discern actually uh. And if
(01:02:59):
you like short stories, please do you check it out.
The editor here was Alice Sebolt.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
If they included the bee on the side there of
the book, it would have been base.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It would have been base.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, because they put the little v there with the
special Enderlance. All right, so that is for you Lightning
as a thank you, and we'll do our best to
put more accidental curse words in our backgrounds. Thank you
to PCC three eight Lightning. Thank you to Salamander Taco
tell us how you would cook a chef Ben, And
(01:03:34):
of course thanks to one of the twelve bills in Colorado.
We will return with more messages from you every week.
We can't wait to hang out with you in the future.
Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Oh and speaking of the future, we may have hinted
that in a minute ago, but we're all going on
a cruise, a future cruise, a future stuff cruise, and
you can too.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yes, that's right, folks, we're texting you right now saying
you up. From October two to the seventh, we will
be hanging out a big Avengers level team up with
some of our favorite not just colleagues, but favorite friends. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Is the stuff Universe unites on one ship headed to Bermuda.
Check it out, join us search stuff at sea cruise.
You can also throw Virgin voyages in there. You'll find it.
Get your ticket before they're all gone, gone, gone, gone
gone God.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And while you're doing that, while you happen to be
on the Internet without being too forward, why not find
us on the lines. You can also give us a
call or send us an email.
Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Get each of the lines and search us up at
the handles Conspiracy stuff or conspiracy stuff show, depending on
which social media platform you enjoy, whichever social media raft
you're floating on out there in them se like Jack
from Titanic. I know he was. He couldn't he couldn't
get on the platform.
Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
That's such a ridiculous We don't.
Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Have time, guys, Ben is right. You can call us.
Our number is one eight three three std WYTK. It's
a voicemail system. Call in like salamander taco. Do it,
stop delaying and do it call our number you specifically,
you Hey, you want to send us an email?
Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
We sure hope. So we are the entities that read
each piece and correspondence we received, be well aware, yet unafraid.
Sometimes the void writes back, like Noel was saying earlier,
we love a random fact. Quid pro quo clarice. Send
us one and we will send you one in return.
We'll see you out here in the dark. Conspiracy at
(01:05:46):
iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
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