Peter and the Antichrist, Chapter Two: "Guys, Palantir is Evil."

To some, Peter Thiel is a philosopher king. To others, he's real-life supervillain. One thing's for sure: this guy is making enormous waves in everything from tech to surveillance and government. In the chapter of this two-part series, Ben, Matt and Noel dive into one of Thiel's corporate crown jewels -- an enormous, shadowy "data analytics" company called Palantir. Tune in to learn why governments and investors love Palantir... and why numerous critics believe this outfit is ushering the new age of massive, inescapable and un-democratic surveillance.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as oldways with our
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they don't want you to know. We are returning to
a continuing series, friends and neighbors fellow conspiracy realist. In

(00:51):
chapter one of this series, called Peter and the Antichrist,
we looked at the life and times of a guy
named Peter Teel. You guys remember Pete from earlier Pete
from South Park, Yeah Yeah, also referenced in South Park.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, heavily referenced in Silicon Valley on the HBOS.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
On the HBOS, I love that one, Matt. This guy
is in real life an actual facts wealthy tech giant.
He is a political power behind the throne in the
United States and as we'll see in several other countries. Honestly,
I don't want this to be a hot take, but

(01:35):
everything we learned about him in chapter one assures me
that he is a would be oligarch or techno gark.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Look, I feel a little bit bad for Peter Teel
because he is in the same group of like twelve
other guys who I think matched the exact description you're
talking about then, and it does feel more and more
like we're headed that way, And it's kind of it's
not even really a secret anymore. Like when you hear
about secret meetings that some of these guys are having

(02:05):
with you know, the upper echelons in like the UK
government or the US government, Like secret meetings, not meetings
for people who are going to donate a bunch of
money or something like that. Those are just lobbyists. In
this case, it's like secret meetings about technology that you
might be able to use.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Do you guys remember how excited we were, oh gosh,
more than a decade ago to get confirmation that Bohemian
Grove was a real thing, like a real summer camp.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
They really have the big owl.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah they do. They do. The cremation of care is
a real thing they do, Okay, And we.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
All saw the Alex Jones footage and I think many
of us, especially at the time, were like, there's no
way that's real. That's not come on something. They're doing
a setup. This is a silly thing, that's too creepy
and weird. But no, no, no, no, it's real.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah. And these secret meetings or a thing, they are
arguably non democratic, to be quite honest. Yeah, we know
that Pete. In his early days, please do check out
chapter one. He was most well known in public circles
as a name in the byline of PayPal, and then

(03:21):
he made a lot of very smart early investments in
other tech companies like Facebook now Meta. We talked about
his rise to fame, and we spend a lot of
time exploring his diplomatically put eccentric obsession with the concept
of the Antichrist.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yes, Ben, you mentioned the smart aspect of Peter Teal,
and I mean, certainly they have to have a certain
amount of starts to amass that much wealth. Maybe, you know, arguably,
I guess I've always thought of him as being a
little more savvy and media savvy than say, you know,
someone like Elon Musk, who's out there kind of you know,
putting his foot in his mouth every single day with
diminishing public opinion of him, you know, kind of. I

(04:05):
don't know, but Teal certainly thought of as a little
bit of a kind of like the devil behind the
scenes kind of. I don't know. I guess I just
don't think of him as being quite as public facing
as some of these other, you know, technocrats.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, that's a great observation. He is definitely a whispering
power behind the throne, and for a long time he
was one of those people that you would only know
about if you were also in the know on particular
developments in Silicon Valley or indeed political policy.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just to take it back to that secret meeting for
one more moment, because Bohemian grove is one thing, right,
but it's another thing to be able to walk to
Downing Street in London and meet with the then Prime
Minister in twenty nineteen, and to have that meeting marked
as private in the official ledger and then no record

(05:02):
of your meeting with a venture capitalist from another country
just kind of just be the thing. There's no story here,
there was no meeting, it was private. You're not supposed
to know about that. That's the kind of thing that
he does. It. I would say, it's kind of like
moving openly in the shadows in some weird way.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
And a level of power and influence that he wields
kind of puts him in the category of like a
kingmaker type dude who maybe doesn't want to be king himself,
but is definitely pulling some strings and wielding that influence. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Again, a political whispering power behind the throne. And shout
out to all of us who immediately thought about the
infamous meeting at Sea Island in the early nineteen hundreds,
I want to say nineteen thirteen anyway, tonight.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I mean the one Peter Field traveled back in time
to do Wait.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Sorry, well wait what that was marked private? Okay, God,
I gotta get is textbook.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Is this similar to the Jacal Island thing and the
creature from.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's the one? Yeah, And tonight we are exploring a
series of secret meetings. We're also investigating, with your help, folks,
another part of the Peter Teel mythos, the mysterious company
known as Palenteer to You, to you to tier single tier.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Oh my gosh, here are the facts, all right, quick
origin story.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Go to the website, folks. Palenteer is loosely and diplomatically
put a data analytics company, Big Air quotes on that
data analytics their website. If you go there now, which
we have, you will see the creed and the motto
that is front and set on the landing page. It

(07:02):
reads AI powered Automation for every decision. I love that phrase.
It feels vague and ambitious, and it also is exactly
what shareholders love to hear in meetings.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
M and then in parentheses below the fold, it says,
be evil, right right.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Be powerful? Maybe sure see everything, know your enemy.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
And know your enemy, and know your customers right and
maybe share with your customers.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Who are also your enemies.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Right right. So Palladeer is founded in Silicon Valley in
two thousand and three, as we said earlier, really gets
off the ground in about two thousand and four. The
original co founders, right like our founding fathers of Palla Andeer,
are not just Peter Tiel. They're also Stephen Cohen, a

(07:56):
guy named Alex Karp Karp who is the current and CEO,
Joe Lonsdale not to be confused with the awesome horror
writer Joe Lansdale, and a guy named Nathan gettings. They
leveraged initial investment money from all kinds of shady places,
one of which we'll explore further, a little outfit named

(08:20):
in qtel, which is the proxy venture capital group of
the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And that fact is an acknowledged thing. That's not I
remember when we first talked about in QTEL on this
show long long, long ago, we posited it more as
a in qtel seems to have in a relationship with
the CIA. It seems to have an intelligence connection in
there somewhere. But now if you look at stuff that's
being written by CNBC in twenty sixteen, they just refer

(08:53):
to in qtel as the CIA's venture arm, which is
crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
We did strive to be quite objective and fair, and
it's true in q tel, I in dash q dash
Tel is very much an arm of the CIA, and
they invest in so many interesting technological initiatives, right, Palenteer

(09:24):
is one of their crown jewels. Now, the official story
from Pallenteer sounds again inspiring, but not a little bit
non specific. They say things like if you go to
there about us page, and we've been all around this website.
They say, if you looked at available technology, you see

(09:46):
products that are too rigid to handle novel problems. You
see custom systems that take too long to deploy and
require too many services to maintain and improve. So here
wants to be your one stop shop for nimble data aggregation,
synthesis and conclusion making.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
The everything app every I know that's a different one.
Doesn't in qtel sound just like have the ring of
a cia op.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, especially with the.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Big time Yeah weird the dashes. It just makes it
difficult to search for nowadays a little easier you just
put spaces. But if you want to learn the entire
portfolio of in qtel, at least the stuff that is acknowledged,
you can head to iqt dot org slash portfolio and
you can see the eight hundred plus total investments that

(10:40):
are currently out there, including star Cloud and Vast and
bit biome and edge Cortex names.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, well we uh, we found it. I found it, guys.
It was back in twenty twenty one. We have the
episode on in qtel and unfortunately it has aged very well,
like a fine wine and can you tell they've got
their fingers in a lot of pies and Peter to

(11:11):
your point, no earlier. Peter t is, if anything, a
voracious reader. He has been called the philosopher King of
Silicon Valley, the same way that Palenteer has been called
the Killer app given their operations with Asama bin Laden.
So Peter did a thing we like to roast lightly

(11:36):
every time it comes up. He's yet another technogarch who
has named a company after something bad in fantasy and
sci fi. Pallenteer is the word for the seen Stone
in the world of Token like the it's we all
remember these, We've all seen Lord of the Rings adaptations

(11:59):
or hopefully read the novels.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
It's you that I remember the Seeing Stones, Ben. Maybe
that was a plot point that I glossed over, But
I do love your point though about like all these
technocrats kind of missing the point of a lot of
like dystopian sci fi and just like naming their whole
thing after it, Like, no, that's what we want. That's great.
So tell us about the Seeing Stones.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh, yes, so these are in the Tolkien universe. These
are magic scrine artifacts crystal balls, but like dark crystal
balls that give the user or the participant clairvoyant visions
while also the entire time exposing their personal data and

(12:42):
information to the insidious, corrupting influence of that universe's big
bad A guy named sawrod.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh absolutely thinks he's the all seeing I am the
corruptibility of Yes, I love that fact.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's so funny.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Is this what you want to shoot for? I'm sorry, Matt,
it blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Oh you're okay. You'll probably remember a scene where not
sourn but he's up in one of his towers and
he goes this thing and he makes then there's a
crystal balls that's.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
The Valenteer and Volenteer and he's also there's an interesting
analog there, at least in the well in the novels,
I want to say, but in the film adaptations as well,
there's this drug addiction analog because sorrow Man, like so
many other people who end up using the Palenteer, they

(13:40):
cannot get away from it. What's the same as the
corrupting power of the ring like on Gullum, you know,
becomes basically like a withered junkie. I mean, it's it's
that's absolutely an analog that I think that Tolkien certainly
had in mind. I just can't get over the optics
of this and knowing most people are not going to
make this connection. Not that people aren't, like, you know,

(14:01):
readers or whatever. But I'm a huge Lord of the
Rings fan, and I didn't really clock that that's what
that thing was called. But that is so sinister.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
It's a little bit it's on the wrong nose. We
we know also, uh, since Pete is again just a
consummate reader and philosopher, we know that he's definitely a
fanboy of Tolkien because uh, the pall Andeer office locations

(14:30):
have also paid homage to that work. They're named after
things from Tolkien's universe. You've got. The Palo Alto office
was called the Shire, the McLean, Virginia office was called Rivendale,
and then the Washington d C. Office was called ministeriif that's.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
The bad one though, right, isn't minister with the bad one?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
There's no Mordor yet.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
But minister isn't that like a seat of some of
the baddies.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
In the MINISTERI is an interesting choice because minister Earth
is the fortress city of the Last Stand. Without spoiling Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Okay, I made a mistake. Sorry, you know, it's just
interesting that. I mean, I think that's why I find
him to be such a confounding character because his whole
antichrist rhetoric and all of this philosophy stuff. You'd think
he'd be one of the gazillionaires that comes down on
the right side of history and that has his head
wrapped around, you know, logical use of this kind of

(15:32):
technology and being some sort of futurist like in a
positive way. But it sure doesn't seem that way. And
I just got to wonder, is it that corrupting power
of of that level of wealth and influence?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Like what is the ballotier? Also? What a shout? That's
a great question. What a sholl you out there, matt
Uh think of Ministerereth as Minister eth is to Gondor,
as Atlanta is to Georgia. It's sort of the capital
city of a larger place.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Washington, d C.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Right, which is short?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Isn't that what we said?

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, last stand of the whites.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I have to in some way imagine folks like Peter
Teel and even Alex Karp that we've mentioned before on
the show. Who is He is recognized by a lot
of people writing opinion pieces in places like The Guardian
as one of the literally quote scariest CEOs in existence

(16:30):
because of some of the things he will let slip
publicly during a meeting like a shareholder meeting or a
big interview, just things that point to someone who really
likes the power of both the technology and the position.
And that's nothing.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
The reason why I'm talking about this is because at
some point in the early two thousands, Alex and Joe
and Peter, they're all just college student right at Stanford,
and they they love things like the Lord of the Rings.
They love these you know, you can just see these guys,
right if we were making a biopic or something.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Probably played D and D. You know, gotta imagine.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
But then there is something that has a pull on them,
like the Palenteer, right, that becomes this source of power
that then I have to imagine, you seek and you
almost get addicted to and you have to serve it.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, and again, I think that Surman analogy holds at
least in the film adaptations. And I appreciate that observation
because Palenteer, folks, it sees itself as taking some of
the same strategies of PayPal, which Pete also co founded,
and deploying them in different ways. So they say we

(17:49):
are going to They say, hey, customers, we'll get to
the customers in a second. They say, we're going to
avoid automated approaches that have failed against adaptive ADA for series.
We're going to avoid controls that force organizations to make
unacceptable trade offs between collaboration and securing sensitive data from misuse.

(18:13):
That's not going to be the concern of a typical
software customer who's like an individual graphic design freelancer, or
someone who just needs some help on spreadsheets. Palenteer is
growing past its bridges and all these vague all these

(18:37):
vague proclamations. Are they smoking mirrors? Are they sound and
fury signify nothing? This sounds great sure in a board room,
but it doesn't articulate exactly what Palenteer does. To understand that,
I propose we have to look at their customers. Their
customers are not individuals. Typically, their organizations like the NSA,

(19:02):
the IRS shout out to you guys, be nice on
my tax return, the FBI, the CIA, law enforcement, other
militaries from around the world, counter terrorism agencies. Of course,
the CIA is an interesting customer because they used in
qtel to start Palenteer. It's just we're not lawyers, but

(19:27):
as far as a conflict of interest goes, this bears scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
So at the heart of Pallenteer, what it's really good
at doing is taking these giant data sets and securing them, right,
also connecting them. That's why the FBI and the CIA
were so important early on, because Palenteer connected giant databases
from both of those intelligence arms. And then now both
sides can see what's going on. Right now there's a

(19:54):
single picture of what's happening inside and outside the US
from at least an intelligence standpoint. That's why the NSA
then gets fully involved in this thing, and then the
Defense Department.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
So now it's all one big web of data that
is crunched and secured Bipalenteer.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, it makes it. Palenteer Software as service makes it
easier for you, a government agency, to aggregate, course, and
mind all these massive sets of data. You can turn
these quagmires of information into objectively like neat visualized maps,
little histograms, little charts of links, and the way it

(20:37):
typically works from what we the public understand is you
have a contract with Palenteer, right, your insert government agency here,
and they have what they call forward deployed engineers. So
though they'll shoot in a couple of boffins, and you
give them enough time under the hood of a data

(20:59):
set or a link or like a linked web of
data sets, they can hoover up all sorts of little
scraps of data that otherwise wouldn't be important, and then
from there they can give you insight on everything from
disaster relief to human trafficking to terrorism. It's the perfect

(21:20):
mix of surveillance, big data, and big government. It gets
pretty close to actual sci Fi level pre crime, for
better or worse. We do have to say that Palliateer
seems to have successfully helped with some good things.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, like immigration and customs enforcement.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
No, I don't count that, as he said sarcastically.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
As hell, Yeah, I mean, I mean we could see
how this kind of tech could be, you know, used
to help in positive ways. Certainly, the question just then
becomes like it's so adaptable, and when you throw it
out there and make it available to anyone who can pay, uh,

(22:06):
you are not necessarily going to get the best most
you know, humanitarian uses of it.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, it gets so much worse than that too. We
know that like a quick rundown of good things. US
marines have used Pallunteer products in Afghanistat, and through a
forensic analysis of roadside bombing locations, they were able to

(22:33):
predict insurgent attacks, which means that they saved lives. That
is in arguably a good thing. U Palenteer also notably
helped track down members of Mexican drug cartels who had
kidnapped and murdered some people. They also and I didn't
know this until We've been looking at Palenteer for a

(22:55):
long time. But guys, I didn't know this until research
chapter one of our series. Here, Pallenteer was able to
track down hackers who installed spywear on the Dalai Lama's computer.
You remember the Dalai Lama who.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Would do a thing like that. That guy's a saint.
I mean, he's the Dalai Lama.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
He bit that kid's telling though that was weird. Oh no,
you're right.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Wait no, oh no, no one is.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
But remember the Dahalai Lama is seen as one of
the primary enemies by other forces. Right, so in this case,
like something as simple as marines using this in Afghanistan
to like save lives of other marines right, or marines
or other human beings. That's an amazing thing that it

(23:45):
can do. But it is in support of a war zone, right,
and a part of a hot war where the US
invaded Afghanistan kind of under false pretenses because we know
now with all of this, all of this time passing
who we actually probably should have been invading if we
were actually responding to the nine to eleven attacks. And

(24:06):
Afghanistan didn't do it, didn't have anything to do it.
Neither int a rock. But you know, it's just one
of them. It's a weird thing because we're stuck inside
this weird spiraling loop of information, including what's good and
bad when it comes to military actions.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, well said, we know that. For instance, in a
book called The Finish by a guy named Mark Bowden
nis h so, no disrespect to our finn audience members,
Mark Bowden talks about Pallanteers software and the role it
played in the ultimate extraction and execution of Osama bin Laden.

(24:52):
This is what inspired him to say that Pallenteer deserves
the designation killer app. And there I pose a little
bit of question for anybody who hasn't read the book.
It's a great read, Uh, given that the CIA is
a primary customer of Palenteer, and given that the CIA

(25:13):
proxy funded the creation of Palenteer, didn't the CIA just
know where bin Laden was? Because of there? They went
behind the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service. They went behind them
with the vaccination conspiracy. Can I say that on Netflix?

(25:34):
I think it's public truth? Now, I think, what do
you believe? Right?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
There is no truth anymore? Do you believe that that's
actually what happened? That's what seems like happened, right, It's
just we're in this crazy spot now where it could
be that guys, could we.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Take a quick second, like, maybe I'm just a bonehead
about this, but I still have a little bit of
a hard time understanding what palin tier does.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, we're gonna get to Okay, Yes, I love that
question though, because this is the spoopy dupe part. These
examples we all named just show us that pallanteer can work.
In some cases. It can do positive things for the
world by aggregating massive amounts of data and finding the

(26:24):
needles in the haystack. Right, the actionable information we could
take let's say, millions of reports of and purportedly non
predictable event, and by building those all together and parsing
them through various algorithmic models, we can predict where the

(26:45):
next ordinarily non predictable thing would occur.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So the.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Marine attack example is fundamental for this. This is textbook
because it shows us that if you have enough information
and about the past and the present, you can get
very close to predicting the future, similar to Palenteer in Tolkien.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
So I'm not alone in this, guys, and I don't
think any of us are. I just found an article
from Wired from back in August of twenty twenty five.
What does Palenteer actually do? Palenteer is often called a
data broker, a data minor, or a giant database of
personal information. In reality, it's none of these. But even
former employees struggle to explain it right right, and some

(27:30):
of them legally cadot due to NDA's I mean, they
had a couple good, good ones in this piece, and
we can maybe once we get a little further into
this next section, maybe I'll bring out a couple of
quotes from some of these former Palenteer staffers who did
speak to some of the stuff in this Wired article.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
These do, and let's bring in some government officials as well.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wait, is there a better definition of what it does?
That's what that type of definition about just a data
aggregate or the one that just stated they're like all
of those things. That's the only definition I've really seen.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Well, this one individual, I would say it. Well, I mean,
but that's the thing though we're speaking more conceptually. It's
a suite of tools. They have different software packages. I
guess one is called Gotham. There's another one called Foundry.
This former employee calls Foundry. This is from the Wired Piece,
one of Palenter's flagship software platforms, a collection of different

(28:27):
applications that customers use to operationalize data. A fourth ex
employee dubbed Foundry a supercharged filing cabinet.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
While all of these.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Descriptions are technically accurate, they could also apply to products
from hundreds of other tech companies. So what sets Palenteer apart?
Part of the answer is, they say, is in Palenteer's
marketing strategy. So it's that killer app aspect of it,
they say, which recently began to use the tagline software
that dominates, which has cultivated this kind of mysterious public image,

(28:59):
a thing that they are very much doing on purpose,
They say, I'm then we'll move on. Palneer's main audience
is sprawling government agencies and Fortune five hundred companies. What
is ultimately selling them is not just software, but the
idea of a seamless, almost magical solution to complex problems.
To do that, Palenteer often uses the language and aesthetics
of warfare, painting itself as a powerful quasi military intelligence partner.

(29:24):
Palenteers here to disrupt and make the institutions. We partner
with the very best in the world.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Oh that's a quote for Malex Karp.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
It sure is.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
We also in response to that Wired article your quota there, Noul,
we know there's a problem here. There's a badger in
the bag because there are a handful sure of truly
gigantic tech companies. You got your Googles, your Metas, your Apples,
your Microsoft's, but there are also countless other tech companies

(29:55):
of old manner of size and expertise. Palateer is far
from the only horse in the game. You know what
I mean? This is not the only slice of pizza.
There are plenty of other companies that offer some aspect
or version of similar services. So the question becomes, why

(30:16):
are so many people focused on this company, this single
company in particular, It's because critics from across demographics, from
across skill sets, industries, countries, academic disciplines, they're all united
raising a clarion call warning about Palenteer, and they're saying,

(30:39):
don't fall for the feel good success. The AI surveillance
state is almost here and Palenteer is building it.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
And Ben one last thing from this Wired piece there
it mentions an open letter that was signed by numerous
Expalenteer employees talking about the irresponsible nature of aligning with
an administration like the Trump administration and how they are
essentially being complicit in furthering authoritarianism.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Let's phrase that question for you, folks. Is Pallunteer helping
with efficiency or is it building a police state? Here's
where it gets crazy. True story. This is crazy stuff.

(31:30):
Do you guys remember Robert Reich.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah, I've been a fan of him for a long time.
Really thoughtful dude.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
And I want to shout out his son, Sam Reich,
who does one of my favorite comedy shows, Make Some
Noise no Way. Yeah, Yeah, it's so. Robert Reisch is
a thought leader in the United States. Not everybody agrees
with him, but back in December of twenty twenty five,
we're recording on February twenty seventh, twenty twenty six. By

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the way, he is one of the many critics who
called Palenteer quote the most dangerous corporation in America that
most people have never heard of. And I had a
tough time with that because we are sort of bubbled
at our information here, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realist,

(32:20):
because we clocked Pallenteer a while back. But I think
it is fair to say I think mister Reich is
not incorrect in that a lot of the average people
in the United States and abroad had never heard of
this company until s started to hit the f a

(32:40):
few years back.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Well, and I think the fact that it's so corporate
and government facing, it is not really a product for consumers,
so they're not marketing to consumers, and I don't know
how they're marketing. They certainly don't have like commercials or anything.
I mean, it is it is a little under the
radar in that respect. I accidentally bought some Palenteer stock

(33:02):
a while back. I was recommended to me. Someone said
it was just like a tech stock that was good,
and I bought some and it did, it did really well,
and then I realized that it was absolutely evil and
I got rid of it immediately. But when did you
buy it? It was a couple a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Okay, Okay, that'll come into play later. And I love
that you're planting the seed here, so I would pause it.
Folks that the problem with Palenteer starts with these vaunted
data sets. And many of these data sets Palenteers not
creating them, necessarily Palenteers organizing them and hoarding them like

(33:39):
smoug you know, treasure. So vallunteer their customers, these large
government agencies and military outfits, they already possess a lot
of information on mass. We're talking your social media profile,
your bank account records, your tax history, medical history, driving records,

(34:02):
location data, maybe even those late night phone texts and
dms where you probably shouldn't have slid in, but you did.
You up, you up, says Palaenteer, because we know where
you're going to be in twenty minutes. Like, really, guys,
it's any trace of you that would be publicly available

(34:23):
or already in the possession of a government agency that
became one of Pallenteer's clients. So it's best to assume
we are talking about everything I would say. I hope
I don't sound too paranoid. It includes the stuff you
would ordinarily assume was private.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
With that include. So another misconception I think the Palenteer
themselves try to combat in PR type statements is that
they are data brokers. They're not data brokers, but they
probably interface with stuff that other data brokers possess.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
One hundred percent, right, Yeah, They're not one of those
sketchy third parties selling your data. They're one of those
sketchy third parties that gets your data and is paid
to look at it in depth.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
And aggregates it and then uses it as another bit
of intel that they can then feed into this whole system.
So essentially, I'm they're just like the ultimate iosauron.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Wondering to rule them all, my boys, we also know. Okay,
So a lot of their customers are government funded entities,
which logically means if you pay taxes in the United
States in any way, you are supporting Palenteer, even though

(35:49):
the stuff that Palenteer is doing could one day be
used directly against you without you breaking a law.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I want to bring in just in focus even further
what Palenteer is. And I think the mention of Robert
Reich here and his words about Pallenteer, I think are
probably some of the best we've got going. If you
go to an opinion piece he wrote for The Guardian
in June of twenty twenty five. This is just going
to take a second, guys, but I think this makes

(36:19):
it makes sense to me if I hear it this way.
Robert says, draw circle around all the assets in the
US now devoted to AI. Okay, imagine we've drawing a
circle around that. Draw second circle around all the assets
devoted to the US military, all of them. Draw third
around all the assets being devoted to helping the current
administration collect and compile personal information on millions of Americans.

(36:44):
And a fourth circle around the parts of Silicon Valley
dedicated to turning the US away from democracy and into
some kind of technocracy. And those four circles all intersect
directly on Pallenteer technologies.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
And they have a lot of fans in the holes
of government. You know, their advisors are political powerhouses like
Hondaalisa Rice from earlier guide. Yeah, Kandi a guy named
George who used to direct the CIA and hasn't told
me much about aliens, but anyway, George is a big

(37:21):
time company champion for Pallenteer. He famously said, I wish
we had a tool of this power in the lead
up to the September eleventh attacks of two thousand and one.
So from a lot of government agency perspectives, Pallenteer is
understandably a godsend. Even the most effective US agencies you

(37:44):
can imagine, folks, they struggle with efficiency due to their size.
They have too much information for human analysts to really
get their heads around. And if we're being honest, having
all the information in the world, it's going to be
as useless as a screen door on a submarine or

(38:04):
an ejector seat on a helicopter if you don't know
what that data means, right Like, if you know something
happens every Thursday at three forty two pm, but you
can't figure out how to use that to say what
happens next Thursday at three forty two pm, then you're

(38:24):
just you know, you're sol That's why Palenteer is a
magic thing. As we've always said, on this show. More
and more often these years, breakthroughs in technology are creating
the supernatural folklooric abilities of old Palenteer can as if
by Arthur C. Clark level magic, it can turn weeks

(38:45):
or months of human analysis into an exercise of mere hours.
So if we're the irs or we're the CIA, that
is a phenomenal superpower that's crazy hard to walk away from.
Other age and Caesar doing it too. So do you
want to be like the kid who loses the musical

(39:06):
chairs of funding? Here you got a hotball?

Speaker 4 (39:09):
I think so? Oh speaking of that, though, didn't Anthropic
turned down the ultimatum that they were given the final.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
The ultimatum is for today as we are recording Friday,
February twenty seventh.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
It was my understanding that the CEO was not going
to play ball, and I just thought it was really interesting.
The point being that they were the lone holdout that
all of the other this is the company that runs Clawed,
which is by some considered to be one of the
least terrifying AI assistants or whatever large language model type things.

(39:45):
But the point being that all of the other ones
were totally cool with this military use of their products.
If anything, they were clamoring to get those contracts and yes, please,
you know, take the guardrails right on off. I don't
mean to divert but I just think there's some of
that goes into this cozy relationship between Palenteer and the

(40:07):
government and the weaponization of tech like this.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Ooh cozy, yeah, I love that. It reminds me of
the Swedish concept of hema agmma, you know, cozy times.
Palenteer is pretty cozy with Uncle Sam. We can see
the logic here.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
The issue is okay, so if I'm a government outfit,
then obviously I want to save some money. I want
to be better at my mission. The problem is Palenteer
does not stop there. It has met serious allegations that
it has been weaponized in the political climate, has been politicized,

(40:47):
it is being used in the creation of a terrifying,
severely undemocratic police state. To that point about coziness, it
does not help that Palaeer co founder and big fan
of the current administration, Peter Thiel, has been on record
multiple times, as we said in chapter one, about how

(41:08):
he thinks democracy is kind of crapp ola. He's famously written,
I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.
We talked about that in chapter one. What do you
guys think about that? That one still bothers me.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Freedom and democracy are definitely compatible. Freedom in whatever the
hell this thing is that we've entered into, those are
not compatible.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I would say, that's exactly right. Do you think the
libertarianism that he seems to espouse has anything to do
with this? Because I just don't think, you know, I mean,
you can be libertarian and also come off as being
quite right wing, but usually it's just someone that's all
about individual rights and like, you know, individual liberties and

(41:51):
small governments, right.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Right, Yeah, there's weird there's a weird question. Yeah, we
have to ask Pete about how he would define freedom
and how he would define democracy, because it's quite possible
that he has two very different interpretations than those of
the average member of the public. And look, we got
to be fair. CEOs, the c suite types, the presidents

(42:18):
and the poubas and so on, they're people like anyone
else for now. So it is not in common for
one of these individuals to say something off the cuff
that neither reflects nor influences the value of the actual
company right doesn't push its actions. You could say, like
Ben and Jerry's ice cream. What if one day Ben

(42:42):
came out and said, I think the Welsh are bad
and we should round up all left handed people. Some
folks with boycott, but most people would still keep buying
their favorite ice cream.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Dan and Jerry's did do something kind of offensive, didn't
they Google Search?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
That's why they're an apropos example. But I mean, in
this case specifically, it does feel like a fell wind,
something bad on the wind for the head of such
a successful company working so deeply with a theoretical democracy
to come out on multiple occasions and say, hey, guys,

(43:24):
by the way, democracy sucks, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
It's funny though, guys, I think you've probably seen this too.
A lot of these maga folks, and even you know,
folks that are pretty red pilled in the respect of
going so far as even being into QAnon type stuff,
they seem to openly talk about how they don't like democracy.
Oh yeah, increasingly, I don't understand. I what's not to like?

(43:51):
What's the alternative? I mean, we know it's we always
say it's the worst system of government aside from all
the other ones whatever. But in theory seems great.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, theory, it seems great, so long as the legislation
can keep pace with the technological innovations. I mean, there's
another thing. Okay, Matt, let's go back to Nol on
this one. Nol, you said you bought your Palaeer stock
a few years ago. Was that around twenty twenty four?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
It probably was, I think one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
It was, Okay, because this is interesting, going to our
idea of coziness in Hemma. Pallenteer stock skyrocketed in the
wake of the recent US presidential election when current president
returning President Donald Trump won the election, carried the day

(44:42):
Pollenteer stock was absolutely awesome for anybody who owned a
little piece of the pie. And as we're recording right now,
I want to say at least seventeen maybe maybe eighteen
somewhere somewhere around there former or current employee ease of
Peter Thiel through Pallenteer one of his other operations, they

(45:04):
work at the highest level of government directly for this administration.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Zoikes. It's it's there's just no separation anymore, you know
what I mean. We've talked about the doze stuff with
a literal technocrat, billionaire entrepreneur single handedly personally handling stuff
that should be uh for elected officials. This is the

(45:31):
same thing. I mean, it's just I don't understand there's
such little separation now between the state and these private entities.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well, we've always you know, you guys remember and uh
when we were all pitching ideas for the Constitution of
the United States, we said it was okay to have
separation of church and state. But as soon as someone
said what about separation of business and state, everybody was like, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I think it all goes back to citizens United guys.
I think it's further in terms of the ability to
blur that line through political action of corporations, essentially impacting
laws that make it easier for them to do these things.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I would agree that that is that is either the
damn breaking at least when it comes to the money influx, right,
or it's really close. But as Ben is saying that
there are cracks in that dam, since they built it,
likely purposely created cracks in the dam. Just enough water
can get through one day, will break one day.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I mean, think of the oss right.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Dude, Yes exactly. I keep thinking about uh and I
wish I could stop thinking about this freaking guy, Steve Feinberg,
who is the thirty sixth Deputy Secretary of Defense, which
is just he's heavily in the Epstein file. He's like

(47:00):
one of these people, one of these public figures that
should be disgraced and gone because of their involvement with
this cabal of you know, child sex trafficking. But he
is still the Deputy Secretary of Defense. And I mean,
I imagine when we're talking about infiltration of the Defense
Department and infiltration of military and whatever whichever branch we're

(47:25):
talking about, I just it freaks me out. The human individual,
human beings that could be in those positions, and then
the power that those positions now have because of tools
like the ones Palanteer.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Max and I am. I don't know if excited is
the right word, folks. I'm still learning English, as is
apparently should be obvious. But we have we have an
episode coming up in a few weeks called Epstein What
we Know so Far, And I guarantee you, no matter

(47:58):
what you have read, no matter what you think you heard,
we find even deeper dark revelations, and I'm so glad
you're mentioning the SEP deck there. We have also knowledge
to our earlier point that early in the current term,

(48:19):
the serving US President Donald Trump, right on his second term,
he signed an executive order that requires, doesn't ask, but
requires all these various government agencies to consolidate all their
information about you, no matter where you live, by the way,

(48:41):
into one giant database, one ring to rule them all.
It's never been done before. And how are we going
to get all this stuff together? Who wants to sit
around all weekend matching these spreadsheets Palenteer does. Palenteer wants
to use again to that like language description from Wired.

(49:02):
They want to use their forward deployed engineers to make
a huge win for America for Uncle Sam. It's technically yeah,
it's a huge win for the government agencies who work
with it. But we've got to give some space to
the critics. Wouldn't you be deeply concerned about what happens

(49:23):
with these mountains of government info when they get pulled together.
This is a good shtalt. It could be a tool
of tyranny. It's going to exist past the previous administrations.
It could be used to surveil, intimidate, and silence opposition.
It reminds me of guys. We're all fans of road trips.

(49:46):
I follow a lot of semi trucks because I love
trying to figure out what they're actually hauling. And I
had always been fascinated with an outfit called Iron Mountain.
Do you remember them?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
M hm, yes, Ben, You just follow eighteen wheelers on
the highway.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Sometimes I'm aware of eighteen wheelers, Matt. I'll just say,
very aware of it.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Put a little Apple tracker on the back of following.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Over a couple of states for Apple.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Come on, it's called an air tag, Matt. If we're
being on Brandy right.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
So if the thing is, if you have this massive
I don't want to call it a database. If you
have this trauh treasure trove, I almost call it a
Travis trove. I don't know who that is. But if
you had this treasure trove, then it's like having ownership
over a firearm, or indeed the ability to start fires.

(50:49):
This can circumvent the usual, if imperfect, expected rights of
citizens and residents. So what if we take a break
for a word from our sponsors and talk about like inspecific.
Let's get under the hood and look at some of
the controversial operations of Palenteer. We've returned. We'll talk about

(51:16):
the controversial stuff. Some people don't like when we mentioned this,
but it is the remit of our show. The US
public has a lot of to understate. It has a
lot of tension with ICE, Immigration's Customs Enforcement. ICE is

(51:38):
paying Palenteer something like thirty million dollars to build something
they call Immigration OS. It's a surveillance platform. ICE is
very happy about this. They say it gives near real
time visibility on people who are self deporting from the
United States.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Guys, have you seen the most recent Mission Impossible movies
Dead Reckon?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I'm not okay.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
There's Ai mcguffin right.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
There is an Ai mcguffin called The Entity, which so
very clearly is inspired by Palenteer, or the very least
the kind of thing that Palateer could be a proto
version of the origins of the Entity and the series.
It was designed by the United States government as an

(52:30):
advanced intelligence gathering tool. However, it became sentient and went rogue,
becoming a digital parasite that can do everything from deploy
nuclear weapons to do deep fakes and communicate with adversaries
and you know, and basically influence all kinds of global events.

(52:52):
It would seem to me that between something like this
and something like a Skynet kind of scenario, Palenteer is
sort of the proto version of a of the worst
possible end game AI results.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Very much so. The saddest part here, which maybe we
can wax philosophical about toward the end, The saddest part
is that something of this magnitude could be used to
make the world a better place. Imagine if you had
all the data on someone's medical information, but you didn't

(53:26):
use that to discriminate against them in privatize healthcare. You
instead were able to prevent them from getting cancer. You
were able to help address maybe a genetic issue that
was statistically inevitable. This stuff could be very good, but
society has not evolved to give it the opportunity to

(53:49):
be so. Like right now, right now, Uncle Sam is
using Palenteer to make ICE better at doing stuff the
American public hates ICE doing. And this is not a
new This is not new beings by any means. Palenteer
has been contracting with ICE since twenty eleven. This is

(54:12):
only a deepening or an escalation of that relationship.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
And if you head to the Guardian, you can find
basically a review of a bunch of these Freedom of
Information Act requests put forward by Just Futures Law, where
they find a ton of documents. They don't go all
the way back to twenty eleven. Just in the documents
that I'm referencing here, they go just to twenty fourteen

(54:36):
and then all the way to twenty twenty two. And
that is basically Immigration's customs enforcement and Palaeer working together
with contracts. But it does show that Pallenteer and Ice
is not a Republican or a Democrat thing. Is It
is a government thing, right, both hands coming together to

(54:58):
grope all of America. I mean, that's just what it is.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Grope is a very very diplomatic way of putting. I
would say, more like fist.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh yeah, the Biden administration, to your point, Matt, was
all about this, to be clear, Oh.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, well and it's not the previous democratic president wasn't.
I mean, it's just talking about Obama here. Just there
was involvement across the board with this kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Well, think about all the deportations that Obama did. I mean,
it just was a lot less bombastic and in your
face and on the news, But it wasn't like innocent
by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
And then we have to again consider that perspective from
those previous administrations. What they're seeing is we don't know
the degree to which they said, hey, sci fi nerds
are going to predict an Orwellian police state. But we
do know for sure they said, look how much money

(55:55):
we can save on the bottom line, right if we
have a more stream lined operation. This this is okay, okay,
we got to say the full name of Immigration OS
it is Immigration life Cycle Operating System. So it'll fear
I know, I wish they would, but it will theoretically

(56:16):
make it much easier for ICE to track pretty much anyone.
That's what the headlines are missing. If we go back
to our friends have Wired, we'll see the three core
things are described as targeting and enforcement, prioritization, selecting, apprehending
people that they describe as illegal alien. So who do

(56:39):
we want to find? How do we most efficiently capture them?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Remember when it was shocking finding out that the government
was like analyzing our metadata you know how quaint. I mean,
it almost feels like none of this stuff required. I
mean again to the point of like technology outpacing legislation,
like warrants don't even enter into it anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Yeah, it's just out there and it's just like rife
for the scooping.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
And then we've got that second core function, self deportation tracking.
That's that near real time visibility we're talking about. But
the interesting thing here is that we don't know what
data sets inform this function. We don't know how they
are gathering info on this. And also I think we

(57:30):
can all agree. I didn't like the fact that ICE
officials said this will influence policy and then said no
further questions. What does that mean. That's like getting a
text that says, uh, call me or we have to
talk about what.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I don't even get this one near real time visibility
into instances of self deportation me.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
So they're tracking, yes, individuals who are leaving of their
own accord for just.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
All flights, every single flight or yeah, like I'm I'm
from let's say Bouton or Honduras, just to pick two,
and now I am thanks to Palanteer being tracked with
such a level of fidelity that you know, when I'm
leaving the United States.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
So that's passenger manifests that they're looking at.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Absolutely. Yeah, facial recognition huge part. Yeah, there was this
thing that was kind of controversial, but I appreciate what
they were doing. The trip hop band Massive Attack, who
a lot of people think one of the main people
in that group is Banksy, which I always have found
interesting and kind of plausible. They did a thing at
one of their concerts in a recent tour where they

(58:48):
projected facial recognition real time data gathering of people in
the crowd, and it pissed a lot of people off.
People thought it was invasive and not cool. But they've
always been a little bastic and protesting in that fashion,
and I think they're just demonstrating that if like Massive
Attack can do that as a neat concert trick, think
about what folks like Palenteer can do. Like it was

(59:10):
literally zeroing in on thousands of faces and then attack
attaching them to available online information like social media stuff,
public accounts, things like that, and showing it as like
an overlay like predator vision or like you know, terminator vision.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I think that's just a great comparison. Yeah, because this
goes into our third core function of this new palateer
Ice collab. The third core function is what they call
immigration life cycle process. This is to streamline the identification
of aliens and their removal from the United States, with

(59:46):
the goal of making deportation logistics more efficient. That is
a lot of vagary. We can understand why supporters are thrilled. Obviously,
make your job is here. We can also understand why
it's bone chilling to critics and members of the public because,
get this, fellow conspiracy realist, a political point here doesn't

(01:00:10):
matter who you voted for. This series of tools can
theoretically be applied to any part of the population. You
can round up everybody named Jeff with this stuff. You
can find every Welsh American, you can find everybody who
is left handed. You can find everybody who went to
a massive attack concert at some point in their lives.

(01:00:34):
I would be worried the tool is here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I mean, the government is currently building dozens and dozens
of forward operating base excuse me, detention centers within the
United States. I jokingly called them forward operating basis, as
though it would be some kind of war zone that
they're preparing for it to round a bunch of people
up or are their enemies.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
I'm just kidding. See Atlanta pass something that prevents said
detention centers from being established in the city proper, at
least must Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
I was just full ton, I believe, yes, yeah, yeah,
proposes to prevent Let's see, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Your point, madam, and the birds like it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Atlanta and Georgia are two very different countries that happen
to be in the same place.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
So we also have to consider that ICE has used
services from Pallanteer and Clearview AI check out our earlier
conversations about them in Minnesota right now to track protesters
not necessarily quote unquote undocumented residents instead innocent people who

(01:01:40):
showed up to protest. You know, the murder of civilians
by ICE in Minnesota. Those folks got bird dogged very easily,
and they didn't do anything wrong. It is still legal
to protest in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, sure, it is, sure, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Sure, yeah, yeah legal. Oh my gosh, it's legal. But
it's a party foul? Is that where we're at? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Can I take a brief aside real quick, just about
that point. I'd love to hear your guys thoughts. I
helpe my kid with an assignment for school the other
day that was about Iran and the protest going on
there and obviously the lethal crackdown. I think we in
our discussion of Iran, pointed out that that's just like
just a bit of a walk, you know, around the block,
you know, or down the street or in the state

(01:02:27):
over to get there exactly there from where we are
currently now in this country where like protest is frowned upon,
people are cast as you know, dissidents or paid paid
agitators or or whatever, and you are tracked, and you
are tracked, yes, one hundred percent. But to your point

(01:02:47):
about it being legal technically, the whole point of the
piece was in Iran, their public relations team or whatever,
like a spokesperson for the government was saying regarding student protests,
it's okay, we respect your right to legally protest, just
don't do any of these things like don't burn a flag,
or don't be critical of anything religious or sacred objects

(01:03:10):
or whatever. We're practically at that point here where it's
almost just like a pr line to say that it's
okay to protest We respect and value your right to
protest as long as you don't run a foul of us,
in which case that we call you a domestic terrorist.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Well, there's also a very fascinating and dark bit of
legal parkour in that statement. We support your right to
legally protest. There need to be italics and coveats around
the word legally because what is legal can be changed
very easily depending upon a fluid situation. And I hope

(01:03:48):
the school project goes well. The struggles of the people
of Iran are close to our hearts as a show.
We also know that Tarran has you know, absolutely greenlit
live fire on innocent protesters and is deploying their own
version of these intense or Wellian surveillance techniques now. While

(01:04:13):
the US is not yet at a full on green
light for live fire on innocent protesters, we do know,
as as Noel just said, we do know. It's increasingly
less implausible. I would say the information is out there,
the information from the perspective of people who like Palaeer,

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the information is standing there waving its hands saying ooh
use me, use me, pull up, oh me, I'm a
location data for a vegan. You don't like, Oh my gosh,
pick me up. I volunteer, I palaneer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Yes, by too much, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I got something for you guys that I just saw.
Is it's weird. Do we remember a person named Kim
dot com?

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Yes? I don't remember Kim dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Is that the Mega upload guy? Hey it is mega upload, Yes, Mega?
I there, m Ega and just an interesting character. Been
in trouble a lot, kind of like a like a
pirate freedom fighter. He's a father of six children. He's
an entrepreneur and an innovator, and a gamer and an artist.
It's very interesting character. He posted something on x on

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February fifteenth that had some serious allegations, but again maybe opinions.
I don't know how you want to take it nowadays,
when it's just a social post by a prominent individual.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Oh, it's the news. They reprinted me, they reprinted Emily.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
But he does say things about I'll just read some
of the quotes from this February fifteenth post by Kim
dot com. Pallenteers creating nuclear and bioweapon capabilities for Ukraine
and is working closely with the CIA to defeat Russia.
They believe they are one year away. They to achieve
this by keeping Russia busy with meaningless peace negotiations. Pallenteers

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responsible for the majority of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. They
have developed the AI targeting for Israel. Pallenteer is an
arm of the CIA, and all data from international clients
is copied into CIA spycloud. It's just it's like crazy allegations, right,
and again those aren't my words, those are Kim dot
COM's words.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, you have a ring to them, guys, I mean,
based on what we know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's all I'm saying, Kim, I can back
you up here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, Well, Kim dot com is saying that Pallenteer was hacked.
Allegedly hacked is what he says. Says, an AI agent
was used to gain super user access and here's what
they found. I don't know. They're also alleging that Teal
and Karp, the current CEO, Carp and Peter Teel and
the founders commit massive surveillance of world leaders and titans
of industry on a massive scale, as in, these are

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the guys watching the people that they end up having
these secret meetings with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
And why would contracts with why why wouldn't they given
the ability to do so. To your point about the
intoxication the eye, I have sauron of this type of thing.
It is a superpower.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Stay tuned for the Epstein episode Friends and Neighbors, KiB
We could back you up on a little bit of this,
if all of it. Pallenteer is a global entity. It
works with military intel and law enforcement in multiple other countries.
The Israeli government in particular, began working with Palenteer as

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early as twenty fourteen. They significantly scaled up their collaborations
during the recent cause of conflict. They've also been deploying
Palenteer technology in attacks in Lebanon and for their attaxing claust.
This is a tool that will be used. Maybe you

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know one thing we didn't mention here, guys, is that
Palenteer technically, despite being you know, a son of Uncle Sam,
it's a good horror film name. I'm all right, I thought.
Despite being a son of Uncle Sam, it is a
private entity, which means that it can work with right
now whomever it wants until a law has passed. Right,

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it has to work within the legal constraints of its
consumers and customers. Those legal constraints across the world and
other sovereign nations. They're not going to always be the
same as the constraints you might think about theoretically here
in the United States, which even those now are coming

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up for intense debate. It's getting hairy. It is getting
very hairy, and it would be Look, we'd love to do,
you know. I think we should do some paranormal episodes
just to cleanse the palette and wet the appetite a
little bit. But this is important, and it's going to
escalate a little bit more quickly than a lot of

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us would like to think. That's my take.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I agree, well, and it's going it's going great for
all the investors of Pallanteer, right shout out to you know,
just like the investors of Nvidia and all the other
AI stuff going on. If you look at some of
the recent news about Palenteer, one of the things is
the the next quarterly results and how fantastic they have been,

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both for Pallenteer and for Nvidia. You know, who makes
the the graphic processors that end up running all the
things and the CPUs and all that great stuff. But
it's all connected, and it's all you know, growing and churning,
and the investors are super happy. No matter what data
they're collecting, no matter what powers they're abusing, it's all
great for us, because, hey, our pockets are growing just

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a little bit, our wallets are getting a little deeper.
I don't know which one of those actually works. I
think it's deep pockets and then large wallets or whatever wallets.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I mean, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Like a future
historians say at the end of the world, they see
a fun fact. On the day humanity went extinct, the
Dow Jones reached its highest level ever. So oh yeah,
walk away with something possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
That that is precisely the thing that Jamie Diamond JP
Morgan Chase CEO is currently warning about, and he is
saying that the same things are happening now that we're
happening back in two thousand and five, two thousand and six,
two thousand and seven, right before the huge crash, where
again it's it's a human being that is very very
good at investing, perhaps one of the best in the world.

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JP Morgan Chase is one of those companies that actually
keeps a lot of money around even though they're investing
in a lot of things. They keep a good amount
of money in the bank as collateral, as protection. As
you know, remember when you were told how to keep
a checking account in a savings account.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
You remember that, Oh yeah, that Mary Poppins song right
time ago, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yes, and a long time ago. There's there's some class
that we all took where it's like, hey, keep a
certain amount in savings and then keep this other part
for spending. But make sure you've got that savings in
case something goes bad or goes wrong. JP Morgan Chase
does that, unlike a lot of these other giant firms,
and the guy who is who is the person who

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saves is saying, hey, it's about to go down. I
don't know when exactly, but it's the same things are happening,
and it's going to be related to AI. It's going
to be software companies. So just Pallenteer is one of those.
So I'm just putting it out there to keep that
in mind and to keep a lookout.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Yeah, Palenteer, we could argue, is somewhat indemnified from the
coming burst of the bubble because they have they have
proven their worth as weaponized surveillance. They're also getting a
lot of controversy as we record today some of the

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recent news. A few days back, Palenteer officially, without an
announcement to local government, they moved their HQ from Denver
to Miami, So please stay tuned. We can't wait to
see what Tolkien location they pull for their new MIABI office.

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What do you think, guys, Mordor As the time come,
can we call the new office mor door? Yeah? Yeah,
I love her and our Yeah I don't. I think
it's fair for us to say this is not a
conspiracy theory, friends and neighbors. This is a real conspiracy.
It is one that we have other entities much more
plugged in than us, have warned about for more than

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a decade now. So maybe two big questions to end,
was it inevitable that something like this would be created?
We pause it? Yes, Second, more importantly, what happens next?
Because that last bit appears to be the stuff Palenteer
doesn't want you to know. Thank you so much for
tuning in. We would love to hear your thoughts. So

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