March 16, 2026 • 75 mins
In this week's Strange News segment: Jeffrey Epstein invested thousands of dollars into telepathy experiments. Former Epstein guards were apparently talking about an Epstein cover-up on the day the disgraced financier officially die. A stunning multi-year investigation verifies that there may indeed be a secret energy weapon at the heart of the Havana Syndrome conspiracy. Award-winning restaurant Noma is back in the news for a new scandal. Tune in for all this and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They call be Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. If you are joining
us for our weekly strange news segment the evening, it
publishes Welcome to March sixteenth, and congratulations to everyone who
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has survived the IDEs of March. Remember those guys.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I remember the IDEs of March. There's a movie with
uh his name The Drive Guy. Who's that good looking man,
Ryan Goslin.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's thriller.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Didn't on an older historical event that you're referring to, man.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you guys, we watched him host SNL The Google Man.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, yeah, I love the Google Man. He also there's
a great bit he hasn't quite gotten his five timer
jacket yet, but we're pulling for you, Argie.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Then we went back and we watched Are You Afraid
of the Dark, because there's an episode that he does
as little young Ryan Gosling about the radio and how
the dead are attempting to contact you over the radio.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Now, that's funny, Matt, because he also was in an
episode of Goosebumps about a haunted camera. It was called
se Cheese and Die.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And we also have an episode coming up in the
future I believe about the idea of bringing back the dead,
but not in the way you expect, So not too
many spoilers there, but do you expect some more paranormal
episodes for us in the future.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
While we're at it, can we also bring back Are
You Afraid of the Dark? Because that show is a
banger spooky Canadians.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I also loved Erie Indiana. Do you guys remember that show?
I'm aware of?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It wasn't that sort of a teen kind of spook fest? Yes, situation, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Investing if you are a if you're a fan of
Are You Afraid of the Dark and you're a fan
of the X Files, Erie Indiana is a banger and
appropriate for cool children.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And a good vocal warm up. You can go Gary Indiana,
Erie Indiana, Gary Indiana, Erie Indiana great and.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Again any times, I can only cool children. So if
your kid's not cool, don't let them watch it and
tell them. We said, so, uh, there's so much we've
got to get into. We know that as we were
talking with Dylan off stage here. We know that recent
news shows Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and sex trafficker,
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also apparently put a lot of money into academic research
into telepathy, which I don't think any of us saw coming.
But Bill Dylan, you had this great phrase where he said,
how'd you put it? Dylan Killer?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He needs to be on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
How did that guy have so many hours in the
day to do such weird stuff?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, well said, well said. And let's see, we're also
going to address a clone conspiracy from one of our
childhood favorite comedic actors. Talk maybe about the restaurant industry.
I'm very interested also in the story of this AI
tracking and then of.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Course ron before not tracking, you though, tracking other stuff, right, and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Before we get to any of that, guys, I almost
texted our dear friend of the show and hopefully returning guests.
Jack O'Brien, founder of krackt and co creator of the
Daily Zeitgeist because Jack and I are going to continue
a conversation we've been having for years. Havana syndrome is back, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Did it ever really go anywhere?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah? Well we've been talking about that on this show
for years too, which is so weird just to imagine
the way that story has shaped has been shaped over
the course of investigations and not really investigations. We're in
a weird place with it now, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We sure are. We've always for our side, folks, We've
always been in a weird place with this, and we
suspected there was something more to the story. We have
to MAT's to your point there, Matt. We have multiple
episodes on this, We have a conversation with our pal Jack,
and just recently sixty Minutes revealed the results of a
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multi year investigation they have been making under the radar.
So what's the pause for a word from our sponsors
and then just get right into that one. Yes, and
we have returned. So here's the skinny. Do check out
our earlier episodes for more of a deep dive. The
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quick and dirty is that since at least twenty sixteen, diplomats, spies,
military officers, their families, their spouses have been reporting crippling
brain injuries, very unusual, anomalous medical conditions. They reported this
to their superiors, saying things like, it feels like someone's
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sticking a pencil deep into my ear. I'm having blurred
or damaged vision. I feel like I've been hit with
an overwhelming force. I never had migrains, but now I
have migraines. My sense of balance is off. I've got
fuzzy brain, you know, kind of like people would later
encounter with long COVID. And as far as we could tell, initially,
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Uncle Sam had a lot of skepticism. They were saying
these symptoms were psychosomatic. They were saying, these symptoms are,
you know, in other words, delusional. This has changed quite recently,
as we're recording. On March eleventh, just a few days back,
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sixty Minutes learned that there is a weapon that can
inflict injuries like this. It was in the way we
know this is that it was obtained illicitly overseas and
it was secretly tested on a US military base for
nine years. Sixty Minutes and CBS and some other journalists
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have been investigating this, and it looks like there's something
to it, you guys, it looks like they're is some
fire to all the smoke.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
They're saying, this thing has been tested for nine years.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They're saying, yeah, they're saying the investigation, Yeah, that's a
great question to clarify. They're saying, the investigation into these
allegations has gone on for almost a decade before Sixty
Minutes aired. Their aired their episode, which you can watch
for free online now, and we highly recommend doing so.
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They also found that so the story of these reports
dates back to twenty sixteen, but new evidence seems to
find that these quote anomalous health incidents date back to
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, yeah, as though this thing has been around for
quite a long long time. Ben, Let's I'm so excited,
isn't the right word. It's so great to have these
revelations because it does seem to match up so well
with the things the individuals were saying they're getting hit by,
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and the logistics of attacks and where they occurred always
seemed to be a big problem, right, Like, there's no
way a huge device could be attacking you right now
where you are, right, that was their idea.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is that for something their public statements later revealed public
statements of initial investigations on the US side, they said,
it doesn't make sense for something like this to occur
because what we know about this potential technology means you
would have two big things. You would have an easily
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traceable source emitting the energy or whatever it may be,
and then second, you would need something the size of
like a truck to move around. You know, sort of
like when you see the when you see the less
than lethal weapons that the US military is working with,
Like it's not l rad but you know what I'm
talking about, guys, The thing that hits you with sounds sonic. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, it's sort of kind of like, what's that thing
that Darth Vader does?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, it's also the one we're describing that sonic weapon.
If you look at pictures of it now, the ones
that have been publicly released, it looks like a Chonky
boy mountain the top of a hobby.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, it's kind of thing we talked about recently with
lasers when we were discussing how large of a system
you need for the lasers, but mostly before the power.
It's mostly because you need a ton of power to
make the weapon function theoretically right. That's why the truck
is involved. That's why it would be a device on
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the top of a roof somewhere that you could easily
see if you had some binoculars.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And more importantly, unless it was on something mobile like
a truck, it would be very visible and it would
also be pretty stationary, so it'd be difficult to move
this if you get made. But this brings us to,
you know, larger issues. We've got multiple people in government
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or former government officials who have experienced Tavana syndrome speaking
on and off the record regarding how the investigations unfolded,
and at every single turn, what we see is these
people are saying like, people who experience this are saying
that they were dismissed or downplayed or ignored, And people
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who are part of these initial investigations are saying, like,
from the jump, we were told to minimize this. We
were told here's what we need to find, and tell
us what you find as long as you find what
we want.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, it's not very far out of character from the
discussions we just had around sexual assault reporting in the military.
The idea of just protect the organization at all costs exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And this is this is where we go to folks
like doctor David Relman, Stanford University, professor of Medicine. He
was asked by the government to lead to investigations. He
talks about this in depth in sixty minutes. They had
reports in twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, and doctor
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Relman concludes, based on these investigations that at least some
of these cases have reported Havana syndrome were a form
of radio frequency or microwave energy, which we had discussed
with some of the same caveats later. But here's the thing, guys.
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In both of his investigations, right over, two different ones
separated by years, they found that the majority of research
into a weapon like this, like a a mobile handheld
version of a Havada syndrome weapon. They said, most of
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the work have been conducted by the former Soviet Union,
and they went super deep on this. They had been
researching and experimenting with this concept for decades and decades
and decades before people in the US even really thought
about it outside of science fiction.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So then these undercover guys go in and they purchase
one of these things. In twenty twenty four for it
was a lot of money, right, several million dollars.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
From the Russians, right, well, not from the official Russian
state is the thing, got it? They verified this by
three independent sources, and sixty minutes, by the way, sat
on this because they had to make sure they were correct.
But three independent sources from different agencies have verified two
journalists that undercover homeland security agents. We're able to purchase
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what we're now going to call a miniaturized microwave weapon
from organized crime in Russia. They can't say too much
more about it, but apparently some members of Congress have
been shown a picture of the device, have had its
mechanisms explained to them. Obviously, some of our boffins are
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intensely reverse engineering this, or they have been, but the
journalists themselves haven't seen it because the existence of the
device is still classified.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, is this the famed discombobulator?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Do you think he's very close?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Seems similar, And especially as we learn more about this weapon,
we'll understand why it could be easily dropped in with
some troops let's say.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
M h, Yeah, because it doesn't look like a gun.
That's that's what we know. We know that if you're
looking for something that appears to be a handheld laser,
you're barking up the wrong tree. It is small enough
to not just be carried by a person, but to
be concealed upon their person. So you could put it inside,
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you know, your suit jacket pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You could well, isn't it backpack sized?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think that's the concept.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Like a proton pack kind of.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, Like it wouldn't that's what you mean by conceal
on your person. It wouldn't be like you're carrying a
little red wagon of spooky Cold War shenanigans. But apparently
the device is complex. It's not just a point and shoot.
In other words, you can program it for different scenarios.
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You can operate it by remote control. The range is
several hundred feet. It can go through windows, it can
go through dry.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Wall check check yeah, the embassy walls perhaps, right.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The vital unless you're in a skiff or something hardened,
I guess the vital components, the things you need to
make this secret sauce. They're all made in Russia, so
there's not a international supply chain that would be easily discernible.
And the more troubling thing is the implication not to
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be to Dennis Reynolds about this, but our operatives found
this not from the state level. They found it through
organized crime, through gangsters, right through what's that var right,
the thieves in law basically, and that means that the
State of Russia has probably lost a degree of control
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over this technology, which then logically means that other bad
faith actors can get a hold of this, other parts
or other genres of organized crime. Cartel's terrorists could get
a hold of something like this, and obviously they would
find a great many uses for it. It reminds me of
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our episode years back on the potential of rogue nukes,
remember that one.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Mm hmm, yeah, well, like is that like a broken
arrow type situation?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, broken arrow thing, or like in the fall
of the USSR. You guys, remember we're all very intensely
concerned in various communities at the time that hey, maybe
maybe there is some nuclear material in Kazakhstan. And now
Kazakhstan is no longer under the control of the Soviet
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Union because it doesn't exist. So what happens in the
wake of that kind of collapse. You see a lot
of corruption, You see a kleptocracy, and then nukes are
for sale.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Maybe it ain't like we don't sell a bunch of crazy,
deadly armaments to folks that end up being our.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Adversaries, you know, right, Yeah, there aren't really good guys
at this level of the game. But we also, like,
we also know that that if there is a lack
of control over this kind of approach or this kind
of weaponry, we know that it could pop up anywhere
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unless you can figure out the logistics, the supply chain,
the chain of custody, which could be darn near impossible
if this thing is as easy to construct as people
suspect it may be. But again important note, this may
be a positive note. According to what Relman predicted and
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what sixty minutes seems to be able to prove, is
that the key to this device, what makes it so
dangerous is not necessarily the hardware, right, It's the software.
It's the programming that creates a unique type of electromagnetic
wave that rises and falls abruptly and the pulses rapidly.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Sounds pretty discombobulating to me, guys.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
No, I thought you might have some insight on this,
in particular because of your work with sound waves and
shaping them. So what does it say been rises and
falls abruptly, pulses rapidly. If we were talking about a
sound wave, what would that like, what would that look like?
Would that be like? Just what can you tell us
about that?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's interesting because I mean typically when I think of
like manipulating sound waves, it has more to do with
shaping the timber of a particular you know, sound that
you perceive with your ears. Obviously, we know like mega
mega low frequencies can travel through walls, which is why
you'll hear the boom boom of base, you know, on
the in your house from a concert, and it's like,
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you know, a mile away, because that travels really far.
I am not, however, an expert on how you could.
I know, certainly super super high frequencies can be bad
for your hearing, But then there are also things that
are outside of the range of human hearing. So we're
obviously talking about something a little different in terms of
like perceived sound. This is much more of like a
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using sound as a medium. But I'm a little yeah,
I don't quite certainly if it was a sound that
was affecting you, either subconsciously or actually in your ears.
Having it rapidly pulse in that way could potentially exacerbate
how bad it could affect you, or how it could
affect you. I don't really have an answer to that though,
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because I don't really typically think of sound in these terms.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It causes physical damage, is what we're seeing. And we
know this because once the US got a hold of
the device, they did test it again on rats and
sheep in a military lab in secret, and they did
this for more than a year, and they were able
to emulate the conditions and injuries that had been seen
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in people reporting Havana syndrome.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You know, it's funny we talk about infrasound a lot
on the show, and that could well be the type
of thing we're talking about inaudible mega mega low frequencies that,
while not perceptible by the hearing organs, you know, the ears,
can damage internal organs because typically when we're talking about
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sounds causing damage, we're talking about extremely loud sounds, right,
really high decibel levels of sound, and we typically think
of that as damaging your ears in you know, or
certain cells in your ears right, causing permanent hearing loss.
But infrasound is maybe more along the lines of what
we're talking about here, super super super low frequencies that
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can actually not be perceived audibly but can actually cause
internal organ damage.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, and let me hit two points real quick here
so you can get a sense of this. There are
videos that appear to show Americans being hit by this
device or something like it. Those videos remain classified. We
have not seen them, neither have the journalist and investigators
over at sixty minutes. But in one there's a camera
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in an ordinary restaurant in Istanbul. There are two FBI agents.
They're apparently not at work, they're on vacation. They're hanging
out with their families. They're having like a group dinner.
A man with a backpack walks in and suddenly everybody,
how cinematic is this? Everybody grabs their head at this
table as though they are an intense pain. And then
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another video apparently comes from a stairwell in the US
embassy in Vienna. The stairs do lead to a secure facility.
In this video, two people walking on the stairs suddenly collapse.
And in both of those videos, apparently the intel community
in the West was able to verify that there were
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Russian agents in the area within one hundred feet, so
within range. I think it's important to mention those videos.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Wow, Matt, I know you have something sad as well.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So those videos are really important because it shows the
effects of what witnesses and victims have been explaining. They
do hear sounds, but they also immediately feel things like
a migraine that we described, and those those sounds are
almost like chirping. They've called they've you know, like super
loud crickets. They've been described in a lot of different ways.
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But and we're talking about if it is this weapon,
we're talking about microwaves that are pulsed super high frequency,
super low frequency, just rapidly, rapidly, rapidly hitting you in
your body. And if it is mimicking the things that
your brain, the signals that your brain can send, as
well as the signals that your heart can send, you
can imagine some of that might be actual physical sound
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you're hearing, but others are it's almost like you know,
your your bones. You can you can get sounds, you
can have like hallucinatory sounds when there's not actually a
sound occurring. I'm just wondering if that's what it is.
When you're getting hit with just that frequency that's zooming
up and down so fast.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It Also, we have to wonder one thing we need
more information on is the typical time of exposure. So
is it a zapp z app or do you have
to hold it for a few seconds to really get
that oscillation and that sudden change to have an aggregate effect.
This thing is silent. Apparently it doesn't create heat like
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you would see in a microwave oven. It also appears
that the Biden administration, when there were about two months
left in their bid, the President of the United States
and his team summoned Havana syndrome survivors to the White
House to essentially tell them, hey, you're not crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Hey cool, Better late than never, and just to give
you a quick range. And I don't know that that
we're necessarily talking about decibel levels here, but eighty five
decibels is the low end and very safe for long
term exposure things like ambient sound, traffic, et cetera. Of
louder ambient sound one hundred and twenty decibels is where
you start to feel pain and can suffer actual damage
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to your ears. One hundred and fifty you can actually
rupture your ear drums immediately, not long term exposure required.
No long term exposure require. One hundred and seventy to
two hundred can kill you. Long enough exposure cause pulmonary
damage to your internal organs, and up to two hundred
and forty decibels can be fatal with extreme bodily impact.
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So I'm just it's very interesting because obviously they've figured
out something that I can't quite wrap my head around.
I'm wondering if it's high decibel levels of incredibly low frequencies.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, well, put thank you for that. We
know that. We also know there's another layer of conspiracy
cake here because the Biden White House apparently wrote a
public statement that they were going to publish backing the victims, saying, hey,
you know, these are hard working service members and their families.
They are not crazy. They're not being gas lit or
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jas lit however you want to pronounce it. But here's
the thing, gents, When after they wrote that public statement,
for some reason, they never released it. They buried that
public statement of support, and there are any number of
possible reasons why maybe they didn't want maybe they didn't
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want Russia to know they had obtained a working device.
It's very very strange stuff. Yeah, we're going a little
long on this, but we can't wait to hear from
you folks about this. We hope that you do get
a chance to check out the phenomenal investigation by sixty
minutes and write to us and let us know where
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you think this is going to go in the future.
Because one of the distressing things is everybody who has
spoken on record about this from the US seems to
think that Russia now has a technological advantage which they
figured out a toy that the US didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, imagine if you can make this thing huge and
put it on a helicopter and fly it over a
whole area, you know, or if you could if you
could put it on a truck and make it omni
present right, shoot it in every direction rather than just
one way. But which seems to be something that the
US has been working on, right at least with what
happened in Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right, we also know no end to here. We also
know that one of the big questions amid all the
many big questions about this is why would the government
want to bury this? It's a question repeatedly asked in
these conversations, and there's a former CIA officer who said
the following, which I hate to admit, I think is
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a really good point. They say, quote, I think it
comes down to a political question. I mean, if we
acknowledged that this was a state actor that was doing this,
it is essentially a declaration of war against the United States,
which has to have a response from the US government.
In my opinion, I don't know that the appetite was
there to respond to the Russians at that time. End quote.
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So we're saying, if we admit that we know this
is happening, we have a thing, then we are going
to be forcing ourselves to respond and escalate.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I also just think it's pretty funny how loose lipped
our president can be. He was talking about the use
of something maybe like this in Venezuela. To your point, Matt,
he said, I can't we got this new, crazy new weapon.
I can't talk about it. But here's what it is
and what it does. And I named it the discombobulator,
and it discombobulates, and it really does sound like that's
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what we're talking about. Sorry, I keep harping on that.
I just think it's hilarious. But I love the whole
notion of I can't talk about it, but here let
me talk.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
About And weren't there reports in Venezuela that some of
the folks who experienced that what would you call it
many invasion, they experience that kind of thing where they
were frozen in place, crazy headache, They felt like they
were being attacked from inside. And this weapon, at least
according to David Relman, would make you feel like it
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is happening inside of you.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Could it also potentially mess up electronics and be used
to damage equipment, because that's one thing that Trump was
alluding to, that it was a way of messing up
all of their you know, sensors, various electronic equipment.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Possibly, But then we have to consider that in the
Great Toolkit, there are already known devices that can do that,
you know, through empulses and so on. But yeah, this
could potentially do something like that.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Ah Ben, you really reminded me of a point that
I heard in some analysis of what Trump was saying,
is that it sounded like he maybe misconstrued a couple
of things and maybe combined a couple of pre existing
equipment with this new weapon and acted as though they
were one and the same and they could do all
of the things. So it does. It all tracks with
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what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Right, Sometimes the conspiracies are real, So please, again, I
can't recommend it enough. Check out that statement we're ending
on with that former CIA officer that might inform some
of the secrecy, but that secrecy resulted in a cover
up that was incredibly damaging to public servants of the
United States. We would love to hear your thoughts about this.
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There's so much more to get into regarding Havana syndrome,
which again is an unfair name. Sorry to the good
people of Havana. It's got like Spanish flu, right. It
got called the Spanish flu because they were the first
people to openly report it to the public. Benihow. You
can learn more about this by going to places like
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Insider dot Ru, a Russian dissident magazine. You can read
extensive statements from survivors of this and if you have
encountered this or encountered something like it, we want to
hear from you conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. We're gonna
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Speaker 4 (30:16):
And we've returned and Ben teased a couple of articles
that I happened upon, and I'm just gonna get one
of them out of the way. It's sort of the
more unpleasant one there is. I was actually recently in
Copenhagen and I heard about this very famous restaurant called
Noma that's there and has really given the city a
huge reputation in terms of its place in the fine
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dining world. This has long been considered one of the
best restaurants in the world, or at least at one time.
It was. A probing article from The New York Times
that was released recently described a systematic culture of abuse
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and just mistreatment of chefs and interns and basically any
staff at this restaurant at the hands of Renee read Zeppi,
who again Anthony Bourdain once called like the most exciting
and innovative chef in the world. We're talking stuff like
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allegations of physical abuse, him punishing the entire staff for
the infractions of one going down the line, punching people
in the chest, crazy stuff like hiding under prep tables
and jabbing people in the shins with cutlery, not to
mention just horrific psychological abuse and the kinds of things
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that we talk about in terms of hazing rituals in
the military reports, you know, coming from individuals who had
worked there in the past, saying it was more like
working in an emergency room or being you know, in
at war than it was like working in a restaurant. Interestingly,
many of the folks who reported being subjected to this
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mistreatment did kind of end their statements with but I'm
glad I did it because it made me a better chef,
which I think is part and parcel to the Stockholm
syndrome of these types of abusive relationships.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's just the culture of it.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's the culture of the of the world of fine dining.
I mean, you've seen it. Who's the guy that used
to do the soup Talk soup who was in community Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Joe McHale. He he plays a very similar chef in
the Bear who tormented the protagonist of the show kr
Me and is shown just absolutely dressing him down in
front of his staff and just saying that you should
kill yourself. Horrible, horrible things like that. And it's describing
a real, a real thing you know in this world,
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and this expose a really points to how real it is.
And in a wake of this report, a lot of
sponsors have pulled their support of red Zeppi and some
of his residencies that he's doing outside of Copenhagen in
La One, in particular a thousand dollars plus you know
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cost per plate series of pop ups in Los Angeles
have been I believe pulled. I've seen some inflicting reports
saying that maybe they are still going to happen, but
definitely some sponsors have backed out, including a hospitality company
called Blackbird, as well as American Express. This these allegations
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of abuse have this is not these are not new.
There have been in the past, like as far back
as like you know, the early twenty twenties, things along
the lines of, you know, screaming at employees. There's even
a video that was your least I've read Zeppie screaming
at some of his staff. But he had come out
(34:05):
with statements saying that, Okay, I'm sorry, I've changed, you know,
I've got anger issues, this that and the other, but
I've never hit anybody. And now we're starting to see
these reports rolling out of folks saying that's just not
the case.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Wow, I remember, you know, you're you're absolutely right there. No,
I read a little bit about this story some of
those other allegations. But fellow foodies, we all recall, you know,
Nomah for a while was the number one restaurant in
the world, right up there with Spain's a boo yi,
but it wasn't. Didn't Nova also encounter an investigation into
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their culture when they had some kind of contamination scandal.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I don't recall that one. I know they're very focused
on foraging and using like hyper local ingredients and you know,
mushrooms picked from the forest and things like that. I'm
certain that you're right, Ben, I didn't follow that one.
But there was another allegation, or at least controversy that
they were absolutely taking advantage of unpaid interns, and that
(35:11):
was you know, addressed by their pr wing and they
did make a change in that, you know, internships from
that point forward were paid. But even as red Zeppie
stepped away from running day to day operations. Some of
these allegations also include executive chefs that took his place
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that he appointed carrying on a similar culture of fear, intimidation,
and abuse. So it again very much just seems like
much of the same. And then a culture of this
kind of stuff that I think even exceeds some of
the perceptions that we might have of how aggressive some
of these fine dining kitchens might be.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And a conspiracy of silence. I just found it, folks, right,
a conspiracy of silence because you don't want to make
enemies with the big right and you want to have
that on your CV or your resume. I think a
lot of us first heard whispers of this abuse of
culture back in twenty thirteen. That's when sixty three diners
(36:13):
apparently got neurovirus and eating at Noma, and then people
start to look into, you know, behind the front of
house to see what was happening in the kitchen, and
that's where they started finding some of these rumors of abuse.
But it looks like from twenty thirteen up until now
as we're recording, that stuff wasn't reported. Really, it was
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kind of ignored or buried.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, it's interesting stuff, especially in the wake of the
conversations that we just had about keeping quiet about things
like the VANA syndrome, keeping quiet about sexual assaults and
abuse in the military, it does seem like there is
a similar code of silence. And some of these really
sought after fine dining kitchens because you're just so lucky
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to be there, or that's the sense, right that you
don't want to, you know, upset the apple.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Cart in a very real sense, having even just a
short time in a kitchen like that is going to
set you up for your next job, or your next
two jobs. Oh yeah, and I mean getting in a
in the world's best restaurant. If you get in that kitchen,
you were going to hang on to that like as
long as you possibly can.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
And that's what a lot of these folks said in
their statements that, you know, while they did report the
horrible things that happened to them, they wrapped up a
lot of their statements with but I'm glad I did it.
It was worth it. It opened doors that would not
have otherwise been open. And that's the catalyst for this
kind of abuse to be able to continue, is they
know what they've got, you know, and it's there's a
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sense of being untouchable, you guys.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Earlier, I was watching today a video. It was a
police police bodycam video.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Huge now on the youtubes man.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, it was an incident that occurred not that long
ago in Iowa where firefighters were called out because there
was some alarm going off at a frat house, and
police officers went down into the basement of this frat house.
I'm not gonna give you the specifics because it's I
don't know the full details of what was occurring or why.
(38:21):
And here's why. The police officers get into the frat house,
get to the basement, open a door in the basement,
and they see a whole bunch of young men without
shirts on, standing around in the dark. And then there
are other guys who are maybe a year older than them,
wearing hoodies and just not talking to police, not telling
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anyone what's going on, not communicating anything to these police officers.
The men who without shirts appear to be in dress,
although they are telling the police officers, we are here
on our own free will, we want to be here,
we want this, we want this. And the police officers
are genuinely scared for these young men and they feel
like they need to do something. But because of the
(39:07):
way fraternities are set up, and in this case, it
was hazing rituals which were against the university's policies. So
they're like misdemeanors or whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But adults, Yes, they're adults, and they refuse prosecution or investigation.
I've seen that video. It's so creepy because it's out
there in the dark. It's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, it's just insane, the cycle, the psychology of it. Right,
I am very much willing to go through whatever this
horrifying thing is because I believe that this is for
my own best interest in all.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Many ways it can be, and that's incredibly dangerous. Just
to wrap this one up, I mentioned a lot of
the physical abuse. One of the most chilling reports of
psychological abuse was read Zeppi encountering one of his chefs
listening to techno music, which is a genre that he
personally despised, and he forced this individual to say out
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loud in front of the entire crew that something to
the effect of I give oral sex to DJs. Oh wow,
you know, just like humiliation ritual type stuff. And I
believe there was a sense that until he did this,
everyone else was going to be punished.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's you know, it's going to be eternally mystifying to
a lot of people. Outside of that industry, how militaristic
kitchens can be very much not a democracy, right, and
how much abuse happens around the restaurant industry across the planet.
Nomah is in the headlines because this is severe, but
(40:44):
also because Noma is such a game changing three Michelin
star restaurant, you got to remember this stuff could be
happening in your local restaurants too well.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And I think it's not for nothing that I reference
the military abuses that we've been talking about, because the
whole structure of a lot of these fine dining restaurants
called brigades, it is based on military structures of like
having a hierarchy and uh, you know, yes, chef and
all of this kind of stuff. I mean, it is
very much a military structure at that level of fine dining.
(41:16):
So you're it's it's it's it's no, it's no coincidence
that you're going to start to see some of the
same abuses that you see creep into military situations.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Speaking of higher hierarchies, guys, my son just got confirmation
last night that he earned his black belts. He doesn't
have it yet, but he's he has earned it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's amazing now, and and you know that's one of
those organizations at least song Taekwindo, the one he does
where you yes, sir, yes, ma'am everybody. And and now guys,
he is mister Frederick.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Awesome, congrats mister Frederick. Oh yeah, great man. I was
gonna I was going to ask you about that offline.
So glad to hear that, man.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
And it's not to say that, you know, instilling respect
and authority figures and that level of rigor. And you know,
what's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Discipline.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Discipline isn't incredibly important and incredibly and powerful when treated appropriately.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, it's how you how you engage with the concept
of discipline and hierarchy and accountability. You know, when you're
when you're saying, hey, you are in this position, these
are your roles and responsibilities, this is your growth path.
That's discipline. That's great, that's very good for society. But
when you're saying, and this happened, you know in the
(42:39):
armed forces all the time as well, right when you're saying,
collective punishment is a thing that's going to happen. So everybody, remember,
we're going to have a blanket party because this dumbass polishers.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Shoes go to private pile.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
F do right, and then we'll get on private pile
as a command structure and as your fellow Marines.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I feel like I kind of know what a blanket
party is, and I feel like I've seen it depicted.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Is this a way of delivering a beating with the
double metal mark full metal jacket? They cover you up
with blankets, they pull it down on either side of
the bed. Yeah, and then they beat it out of you.
But because I covered, it's less likely to leave visible
marks that can be reported, Like one thing I encountered
in the past would be phone books right back, phone
books or a.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Bag socks full of oranges? Is that's another win because
the thinking is the way it distributes what's hitting you,
is that it will not leave many noticeable bruises, but
it will still inflict me.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
And then if you're a restaurant, hey, you know what,
you can use the oranges later for dinner service.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
They're presquos.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's a win win.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, it is a win win. That one went all
the longer than I expect it. Actually I should have expected.
That's fascinating and it really does align with a lot
of the things we've been talking about lately, but I
will just mention the UFO story ut has been just
essentially is a use of AI that I'm intrigued by.
There is a UFO expert in Canada named Chris Ratkowski
(44:12):
who has spent decades researching the phenomenon as part of
ufology Research, which is an organization in Manitoba that tracks
UAP sightings in Canada, and reports are up in Canada.
I don't know if we've talked too much about that,
but it would appear that there is a rise in
reports of unidentified objects in the sky. Data collected by
(44:32):
ufology Research found that reports of one thy fifty two
UFO sities in Canada were filed last year, with government agencies, participating,
private organizations and through social media. This is from the
National Observer out of Canada, and Ratkowski believes that artificial intelligence,
machine learning, whatever you want to call it, can be
(44:52):
used to further investigate some of these sightings and differentiate
from things that are less worthy of investigation or perhaps
you know, things that could be a blip and mistaken
for such things that would maybe filtering out some of
the better filter it's a better filter. And I, for
one support this kind of use of that technology and
(45:12):
think that's a good example. We're always ragging on AI,
and for good reason, but this is the kind of
stuff I think is pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I'm with it. I was also reading just earlier before
we began recording strange news that recent studies have found
another great use of AI AI in predicted predictive weather models.
Not only is it better than the older models, but
it uses less energy to find its results.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So it's not terrible a use of AI that uses
less energy. I'm interested, crazy, pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I'll send it all find I'll please do.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I do worry a little bit about this technology's insistence
on hallucinating things, because I do feel like in the
weather patterns, you know, or in oh, let's say, looking
up at the sky and trying to analyze what's a UFO,
it might imagine some things and.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Then nuke them. That's what that what, that's what all
naturally happened. So maybe the current president wasn't that far
off base when he proposed nuking a hurricane. Maybe he
was just thinking about AI decisions set it on fire.
I loved it when he just fight. It was like
(46:27):
it was like a classic nineteen eighties comic doing stand
up and going what else? What else? Hurricane? We could
nuke it all up the moon.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
We have this hurricane in the left corner, hurricane in
the right corner, typhoon. We will finally know which one
we support.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
American.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Our hurricanes are American.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
But that's okay. So that's where we're at. We're in
a weird timeline and we are aware I should mention
on this on this conversation, not to make a school long,
but we are aware of the ongoing debate between AI
companies and the Department of Defense or Department of War.
So we'll be following up more on that for sure.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And last thing, because you teazed it, Ben, Yes, that
was Jim Carrey at the fifty first Caesar Awards in Paris.
There was a quick flash in the pan conspiracy theory
that took the Internet by storm briefly that this individual
appearing at this awards ceremony was in fact some sort
of clone or body double of Jim Carrey, and that
(47:32):
rumor was exacerbated by an Instagram post by the makeup
artist and drag performer Alexis Stone, who is famous for
doing very very realistic impersonations of celebrities. This person posted
an image of a mask type thing looks very much
like the I think you should leave Havoc guy mask
(47:56):
and a pair of removable teeth next to it, and
a wig on a wighead, and then through the window
you can see the Eiffel Tower eagle eyed or not
even that eagle eyed. Instagram users were quick to point
out that this is the most ai looking crap imaginable,
and this was a good case of someone just kind
of clout farming and trying to stir up the pot
(48:18):
to get some engagement. It would appear that mister Carey
has undergone some filler operations. He hasn't been in the
public eye for quite some time, per his own choice.
You may recall he very actively said that he is
no longer a celebrity, he's no longer an actor and
has not been photographed publicly, and in that's that amount
(48:40):
of time, people can change the way they look. It
does appear that that's the case. He may have had
some swelling. One thing that was pointing out was it
his eye color change. I don't know about that haven't
seen any evidence as to what may have gone on there,
but mister Carey does seem to have been slightly miffed
by the reports that it was not him and says
it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
That's a fun idea, guys, get some colored contacts in
case any of us ever gets famous enough to be
paparazzied and then just have our eye colors change.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Well, given Jim Carrey's obsession with guys like Andy Kaufman
who pulled stunts like this, like as a as a
public whatever performed piece of performance art to extreme comedy,
it does seem like the kind of thing he might
have done. M hmm, like like to hire somebody like
Alexis Stone. Because I'm not gonna lie, I didn't look
too closely at that image, but when I saw the
(49:31):
post from Alexis Stone, I kind of believed it for
a second thought. Maybe they leagued up together and did
this as some kind of fun, spoofy publicity stunt. And
because he also said some things when he was interviewed
about this is the face that I love the most,
and that was dissected and pointed out as being a
bit of a wink and a nod to the fact
(49:51):
that it might be a false face.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Well, there's the other there's another aspect here. It was
confusing to me because I love Jim Carrey met Jim yet.
But I guess he's got the love of the boundary
pushing comedians, and he's got a lot of interesting stuff
to say about conspiracies. But we also have to acknowledge
there's another huge social dynamic in Hollywood that is pretty brutal,
(50:17):
that says you can't seem to age naturally. And it's
just so bizarre to me that a guy known legendarily
so for his beautiful facial expressions, his wonderful impressions, all
that stuff, maybe the social pressure got to him, But
(50:38):
it seems like it would be bad for the mobility
of your face. I don't get the threshold.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I don't get it. I just don't understand the impulse.
It just looks odd to me, and it does seem
to be a product of that Hollywood mentality. And you know,
do what you will, what makes you feel better, what
makes you feel good. I'm not oppost to anybody doing
what is right for them personally. I just think it's
unfortunately that it would seem that some people take these
steps and in my opinion, end up looking having this
(51:06):
uncanny valley quality that just is is far more unusual
and off putting than if they just age naturally.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
That's it, agreed, yep.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Let's take a quick break here, a word from our sponsor,
and then we back with our last strange news segment.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And we've returned. Oh, guys, aren't you excited? We're talking Epstein?
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Do do do do?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Do? Do?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Do do?
Speaker 4 (51:31):
I have heard him mentioned in ages.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
We're talking j ee vacation. Guys, here we go. This
is coming out of Detroit News via the Miami Herald.
Because I didn't pay for Miami Harold. Prison guards discussed
cover up of Epstein's death. Inmate tells FBI. This is
published March eighth, twenty twenty six. I'm just gonna read
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quite a bit of this. Guys. Please just put a
hand up and stop me, because I'm just gonna read
through because a lot of this is very important, and
then we can discuss analyze in between. An inmate housed
in the Metropolitan Correctional Center told the FBI he overheard
guards talking about covering up Jeffrey Epstein's death on the
morning he died. This is pretty crazy. It's a five
(52:16):
page handwritten report of an FBI interview with an inmate
who was there, who woke up in the morning on
August tenth, twenty nineteen, to what was at least written
down as a loud commotion in the special housing unit
where Jeffrey Epstein was housed. According to this note, he
overheard breathe, breathe, and then dudes, you killed that dude.
(52:42):
Isn't that kind of crazy?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
You can kill that.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Dude that's up there with don't tasee me, bro.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
But here, well exactly, here's the next line. According to
this statement, a female guard said, if he is dead,
we're going to cover it up, and he's going to
have an alibi.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
My officers, I'm loudly announcing our plan. Everyone. Everyone, don't worry,
don't We're going to cover it up. Guys meet me
at the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
It sounds crazy, right, It sounds like something that wouldn't happen.
The other side of me has to allow for the possibility,
in a moment of panic, right, that this isn't a
loud conversation. This is a dude. You kill that dude
if he's dead. We're gonna cover it up, and he's
gonna have an alibi my officers, like if it's under
(53:36):
hushed breath potentially, But then if you look at the
pictures that we have we've analyzed before on this show
of the actual cells and how they are located, how
secure it is, and how each one of those cells
has a teeny tiny window on the door that you
can actually see through, and if that door is closed.
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It seems as though we haven't a acoustically tested this place,
but it seems as though it might be difficult to
hear things going on inside a closed cell, but it's
not going to be closed if other people are in
that cell, right right?
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Is he saying like listen here, my officers, that's an
odd people.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
With female guard is kind of rallying the troops like,
my boys, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
How do you do, fellow officers?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Exactly till we also, I mean, we to that scenario.
We know that if this happened, if this report to
the FBI is does indeed have veracity, then we have
to acknowledge that this could have been an accidental moment
of panic, and when people are panicking, they're maybe not
(54:47):
as circumspect as they should. Yeah, like you break up,
you break a plate at the sleepover because you were
rough housing, and then you know, your kids, you all
get together and you like whisper really quick, like what happened?
Does your mom care about that plate? Yes? About that plate?
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Or you or you poop your pants and you, you know,
hastily hide the evidence and then my mom, that didn't
happen to me.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
What shut up?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
I'm proud of you. It's actually really difficult to force
yourself to poop yourself.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Okay. The handwritten note identified uh the officer as Tova Noel,
someone we've discussed before on this show. And we're going
to continue talking about this before we even talk about
any of that, let's just put this out there. The
New York Post has reached out to lawyers for Noel,
(55:45):
who declined to comment, and during her sworn statement, she
was asked if she had any part in Epstein's death
and she replied no. So let's just put that there
right now. Let's go back to this note, because the
witness said miss Noel killed Jeffrey. That is what the
witness said, who says he overheard these people talking and
(56:06):
what was going on? Oh no excuse me. He says
that the inmates were all saying miss Noel killed Jeffrey.
That's a very different situation, right, This is that becomes hearsay.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
But he did.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
But he did identify Toven Noel, who was charged with
falsifying reports. Remember we talked about this. She and it
was Tovin Noel and one other officer that were on
duty that night that Jeffrey Epstein died, and they both
falsified reports that they were making checks every thirty minutes
and they were not. One of them was sleeping, one
of them was googling. A whole bunch of stuff. So
(56:44):
let's head on down to the next article, which does
come from the New York Post. Epstein prison guard googled
him minutes before body found and made mysterious deposit before suicide.
This is from the Department of Justice. Going back to
Tovin no Well, she's one of the two that was there.
She's accused of falsifying records. She googled, according to DOJ,
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latest on Epstein in jail at five forty two in
the morning and then again at five point fifty two
in the morning. This is forty minutes before her colleague
the other officer who was on duty, Michael Thomas, found
Jeffrey Epstein's.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Body less than forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Right, six six thirty is the official time. Six thirty
in the morning is the official time when he's found
at least.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Four or after it was posted on four chan.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
I don't know, Sorry, Jesus, that is interesting. I think
it would have to be before. Yes, the four cham
poster was talling. Just recap, folks. The four jam poster
is talking about, uh, the body being transported before the
news is publicly announced.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Right, so he's discovered, there's a big to do, then
his body gets transported somewhere. Sorry, I know this is
a lot you can do.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
No, this is fascinating and it's I'm glad to at
least have a little bit of levity in how goofy
this communication was. But oil boy, is it just more
bs upon bs. It's just like it's a lot to swallow.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
It feels really weird because all of that coming out
by the DOJ And when when tovin Noel was was questioned,
she says, I don't remember doing that. That's not accurate.
I don't recall looking him up. And that is kind
of a weird thing to do, right.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
Computer, Yeah, computer, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's it's there, yeah, in the the tiny little like
desk space there that we've looked at in these pictures.
It's a weird thing to look at. Let's say, let's
say she knew this is speculation. Let's say she knew
he was dead. What is the purpose of looking that up?
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Is it? Yeah, it's a good question. It's one of
my questions I had. I'm sure a lot of us
had this were reading this news while back, folks. One
of my first questions was, Okay, if it's a work computer,
just walk with me here, guys, thought experiment. If it's
a work computer, then someone can have a log in
and it doesn't necessarily mean the activity under their log
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in is actually them. So therefore, is it possible we
just have to make room for it. Is it possible
that Noel was logged in, but wasn't the person actually
at the keys?
Speaker 2 (59:28):
But potentially, as of right now, the only other person
there is Michael is Michael being the other for Michael Thomas,
But maybe there's somebody else in the facility at the
time that I mean, we've always kind of asked that question,
why were all of the security cameras turned off. If
there was another person that wasn't supposed to be there,
then maybe you would turn off the cameras. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
And it gets wanted. Yeah, if you wanted to muddy
the water, this is why this is possibility is exciting.
If you wanted to muddy the water, then make the
guards scapegoats, make them fall guys. Oh, make them google
on their work computer. What what's the news about the
most important guy in the prison.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Have y'all heard about this Hulu show called Paradise.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I've heard of it. I've not seen yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I just started watching last night.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I'm it's hard to talk to him too without giving
it away. But it involves a situation of a very
high profile individual who is killed and some suspicious activity
going on with the surveillance and guards and various things
like that, and it's I'm in it's so good. There's
also a mega cool twist, highly recommended. I didn't know
(01:00:44):
about this. So many big, expensive shows seemed to fly
under the radar these days, but I was looking for
something new, and it is right up the alley of
anyone that's into our show. And these types of conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That's amazing. We're going to watch that for journal. Let's
jump back really quickly to Epstein, because Chase Bank flagged
some pretty strange cash deposits in Tobinoel's bank account in
a quote suspicious activity report to the FBI back in
November twenty nineteen. This is very weird stuff. A total
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of twelve deposits began in April twenty eighteen, which culminated
in the largest deposit for five thousand dollars on July thirtieth,
twenty nineteen. Remember the date there of Epstein's death is
August tenth, twenty nineteen, so this is at the end
of July. There were seven total cash deposits totaling eleven
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eight hundred and eighty dollars. But that's not all of them.
So that's seven of them equaling that, and there's still
some that like five others that are unknown at least
according to this DOJ report. She started working at the
Special Housing unit on July seventh, twenty nineteen, just a
couple of weeks before Jeffrey Epstein died. This is kind
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of weird. She's a corrections officer. This doesn't mean anything, right,
this is just one of these little weird little things
that might ping in your brain. Tovin Nowell drove a
land Rover range Rover which was a estimated to be
a sixty two thousand dollars vehicle, which is just you know,
people drive nice cars sometimes, and then that's.
Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
The highest end of high end.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
No, no, but that is a very nice vehicle. That's
a freaking and they're pointing that out there that maybe
that has something to do with the cash, maybe not,
or maybe something else right, like a gift, complete speculation there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Corruption doesn't have to be a single event, you know. Again,
it's also kind of like breaking the seal for anybody
who's met had the dubious fortune to be part of
America's biggest housing system, you have probably met corrupt prison guards.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Hmm, very much. So let's go to another internal FBI
briefing that occurred wherein it states, at approximately ten forty PM,
a correctional officer believed to be Toba Noel carried linen
or inmate clothing up to the L tier that's Jeffrey
Epstein's tier. That's the last time any correctional officer approached
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the only entrance to the special housing unit tier, and
Jeffrey Epstein allegedly hanged himself with strips of orange cloth.
When Toba Noel was questioned about why there was so
much extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell, she said
she did not know. And she also stated that she
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never gave out linen ever, and the last time she
saw Epstein alive was somewhere around ten, which is, you know,
these are all interesting things, but within this FBI in
internal briefing, it's the first time we see Tova Noel
or anybody identified within that weird, grainy footage that we
got to finally take a look at where there appears
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to be something orange going up that tiny little strip
of stairs you can see from the one camera shot
that was active. You guys, remember that there's one tiny
little active Yes, you see the orange in going up.
Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
And because there was extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell,
like a whole bunch of it. Have you guys seen
the picture of his cell with all the orange linen?
Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Do you remember this?
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Noel? I do?
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I mean, I'm saying, like what you're telling me is
baking mind, I'm showing it but I know it's insane, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Look, there's so much extra linen within his cell, and
there was a tiny little strip of it that is
said to be the thing that killed him, that he
killed himself with. Does all of this kind of doesn't
feel good, guys, And it's very interesting to me that
you now have to go down the rabbit hole of
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trying to figure out where that cash came from, if
it actually has anything to do with either a payoff
guys or protection, because it is it has been shown
in here in some of these newer reports that it
was known Jeffrey Epstein was paying protection money to some
of the correctional officers, which is a thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Oh very much. So yeah, I mean, look at other
cases of organized crime, you know, when you have the
wise guys locked up and they use a series of
carrots and sticks against the warden and the guards to
get sweetheart deals. And especially because we know the investigation
is still ongoing, but we know one of the most
(01:05:39):
mysterious aspects of the entire Epstein scandal is what happens
to the money. Right, we don't even know for sure
how much money he was touching, So it's quite. I
would say it's incredibly likely that he did everything he
could financially right or with other means of influence to
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improve his situation.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
There's no way to do hung himself. There's no way. So, dude,
he's people people like that don't have enough like humility,
don't have enough sense of self. That guy wasn't capable
of experiencing remorse. That's why someone does something like that.
(01:06:24):
Maybe not remorse, Maybe it's fear of we just don't
know the incarceration, ye or whatever. I just don't see it, man, I.
Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Just don't see the whole story, you know. And I
don't know about you guys, but I'm always very hesitant
from my perspective to speculate too much about psychological motivation
and a specific thing unless I've met the person. And
I'm proud to say I've not met Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
And remorse is the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
It wouldn't have been about that. It would have been,
if anything, fear of being you know, having a life
in prison and being abused, not being able to be
up for it, or you know, being the fortitude for it.
But I just don't think given what you're talking about
and his level of influence and wealth and all of
the contingency plans. I think he would have been spirited
away or something or figured out a way to get
out of it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I just I don't know, maybe we don't know any
of these answers. And I'm just and not to push back, Ben,
I would just say, I think something like the FBI's
Behavioral Science Unit does that very thing only with serial
killers generally, or you know, serial abusers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
And I'm just saying from my perspective, I'm not qualified.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Oh of course, yeah, none of us are, very few
people are. But the I think there is something to
be gained there to think about that, but more to
be gained if you follow money, and always there's more
to be gained if you follow money. In this case,
there is a pretty clearly identified person who was there
at the time of Jeffrey Epstein's death, who was getting
(01:07:51):
cash deposits. And if that is not a lead that
should be followed to the absolute extent that it could
possibly be followed, then I don't know what exists out
they're you know, what evidence exists of anything they could
be followed.
Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
It's such a strong lead that if you if someone's
not following it, it makes me question the motivations or
the competence of the investigators.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Precisely. The only reason why you don't follow that all
the way through is because you are trying to hide something.
And especially if you're the Department of Justice, if you're
the FBI, if you're if you're any organization that has
the ability to investigate this thing, it should be And
and you know, sworn statements are they they're great and
(01:08:33):
they make sense. But there's evidence, there is evidence to
be followed.
Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
That's the thing. Yeah, because evidence speaks with far more
gravity than a sworn statement, even though a statement could
be used as evidence. If we have routing numbers and
we have a way to a way to travel or
navigate the financial network, that's when we start seeing big results.
(01:08:59):
I don't know, maybe be people who want to judiciously,
fairly and thoroughly investigate this. Maybe they're getting little threats already,
you know, maybe cryptic emails are like, hey, don't get havaned, yeah,
or cash.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Or maybe I don't know, a pair of one hundred
and forty five dollars floor shim shoes. Anybody see the
report on that. Do you guys know about this?
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, they don't fit.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
The President of the United States has a habit of
buying everybody who is around him pairs of one hundred
and forty five dollars floor shine black shiny shoes like
dress shoes.
Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
But he guesses the size.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yes, he guesses the size of everybody around him, including
Marco Rubio, who does not have that large a feet,
mister president, And you can see them in the pictures. Guys,
this is a weird and hilarious story. Definitely look it
up because everyone around President Trump is afraid to wear
other shoes because you're not wearing the shoes that the
president got you, So they wear giant shoes that don't
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fit them.
Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
They look like claws, friends, neighbors. They look like it
is real. Uh, it shouldn't be. This is not my
favorite of the timelines, but they it's very much like
the Emperor has no clothes, or how it has no
clothing or how in the days of absolute monarchy, everybody
had to pretend that the king's wild mercurial demands were
(01:10:29):
made some sort of sets, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
And we also know that Trump is pretty famous for
wearing ill fitting suits. So he's just maybe.
Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Station of that deal with floor Shine, you know what
I mean, they distributed to the campaign, and he was like,
I got your back for life.
Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
This is unrelatedly related, but I did see a story
about how Barren Trump has been for many years seen
wearing ill fitting suits.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
And the reason for that is because he's got body
armor on underneath.
Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
He's also too tall for the military.
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Yeah yeah, wait what Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Official reasoning for him not going into military service, or
one of the recent statements from the White House is
that at six feet nine inches, he is too tall
to be in the armed forces. That is, by the way,
Yeah it is tall, But by the way, folks, that
is also not a real reason to not be in
the military.
Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah. I didn't go in because I didn't. I didn't
want to go in the military.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah. He could have just said that, you know what
I mean. It's just such a weird way to try
to also brag like I could go to the military.
I was too tall. Oh. I wasn't invited to the Oscars.
It's not because my movie was bad. It's because everybody
there wants to sleep with me. And it was just
too much chaos.
Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I've been seeing a lot of videos from former certainly
that that's sore active service members talking about how Trump
is a I would have joined butt guy, and how
oftentimes those people are like the worst and it's absolutely
a type because they think they know what it's like
and they think they know how it should be done,
(01:12:12):
but they've never actually done it or been even adjacent
to it. And uh, yeah, it's been very interesting seeing
some of the perspectives from actual active service members talking
about that phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I think you could at least silently return the shoes
to the manufacturer and get an identical pair that's in
your size.
Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
What are big shoes referred to often as guys clown.
Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Shoes, all right, saying we're pro clown here, just clowns
in their place.
Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
And I was the.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Ben I was thinking the same thing, and then I
was imagining that somehow these shoes get marked, you know,
so like if you ever take off your shoes, they
like Trump signed each one or something to where he
would know.
Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Or there's tracking device in the heel, there's a tracking
device in the listening devices in the Oh my god,
like Maxwell smart.
Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
There we go, there we go get us a pair
of Floorsheim shoes. Folks, this strange news has brought to
you by Floersheim. What else?
Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
I'm a swig company, what else?
Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
There's more to come on the Epstein stuff. I thought
that was awesome, Matt, and thank you for bringing that
to us. I know a lot of us have been
obsessively following this story, because I won't even say obsessively,
it's just an important thing to be aware of and
to follow. You know this is a grand conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Well, isn't it crazy to see official statements from like
Iranian officials amidst bombing and all out war officials are
calling the United States and Israel the Epstein regime or
the Epstein Cabalah. Isn't that just? And they're kind of
not wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Are we the baddies? Mitchell and webar once again we
might be the batties? Well hopefully where batties in the
hip hop sense? Yeah, that two villainous sense.
Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Again.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They call be Ben. We're joined as always with our
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has survived the IDEs of March. Remember those guys.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I remember the IDEs of March. There's a movie with
uh his name The Drive Guy. Who's that good looking man,
Ryan Goslin.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's thriller.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Didn't on an older historical event that you're referring to, man.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you guys, we watched him host SNL The Google Man.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes, yeah, I love the Google Man. He also there's
a great bit he hasn't quite gotten his five timer
jacket yet, but we're pulling for you, Argie.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Then we went back and we watched Are You Afraid
of the Dark, because there's an episode that he does
as little young Ryan Gosling about the radio and how
the dead are attempting to contact you over the radio.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Now, that's funny, Matt, because he also was in an
episode of Goosebumps about a haunted camera. It was called
se Cheese and Die.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And we also have an episode coming up in the
future I believe about the idea of bringing back the dead,
but not in the way you expect, So not too
many spoilers there, but do you expect some more paranormal
episodes for us in the future.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
While we're at it, can we also bring back Are
You Afraid of the Dark? Because that show is a
banger spooky Canadians.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I also loved Erie Indiana. Do you guys remember that show?
I'm aware of?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It wasn't that sort of a teen kind of spook fest? Yes, situation, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Investing if you are a if you're a fan of
Are You Afraid of the Dark and you're a fan
of the X Files, Erie Indiana is a banger and
appropriate for cool children.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And a good vocal warm up. You can go Gary Indiana,
Erie Indiana, Gary Indiana, Erie Indiana great and.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Again any times, I can only cool children. So if
your kid's not cool, don't let them watch it and
tell them. We said, so, uh, there's so much we've
got to get into. We know that as we were
talking with Dylan off stage here. We know that recent
news shows Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and sex trafficker,
(03:02):
also apparently put a lot of money into academic research
into telepathy, which I don't think any of us saw coming.
But Bill Dylan, you had this great phrase where he said,
how'd you put it? Dylan Killer?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He needs to be on a shirt?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
How did that guy have so many hours in the
day to do such weird stuff?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, well said, well said. And let's see, we're also
going to address a clone conspiracy from one of our
childhood favorite comedic actors. Talk maybe about the restaurant industry.
I'm very interested also in the story of this AI
tracking and then of.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Course ron before not tracking, you though, tracking other stuff, right, and.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Before we get to any of that, guys, I almost
texted our dear friend of the show and hopefully returning guests.
Jack O'Brien, founder of krackt and co creator of the
Daily Zeitgeist because Jack and I are going to continue
a conversation we've been having for years. Havana syndrome is back, gentlemen.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Did it ever really go anywhere?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah? Well we've been talking about that on this show
for years too, which is so weird just to imagine
the way that story has shaped has been shaped over
the course of investigations and not really investigations. We're in
a weird place with it now, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We sure are. We've always for our side, folks, We've
always been in a weird place with this, and we
suspected there was something more to the story. We have
to MAT's to your point there, Matt. We have multiple
episodes on this, We have a conversation with our pal Jack,
and just recently sixty Minutes revealed the results of a
(04:59):
multi year investigation they have been making under the radar.
So what's the pause for a word from our sponsors
and then just get right into that one. Yes, and
we have returned. So here's the skinny. Do check out
our earlier episodes for more of a deep dive. The
(05:21):
quick and dirty is that since at least twenty sixteen, diplomats, spies,
military officers, their families, their spouses have been reporting crippling
brain injuries, very unusual, anomalous medical conditions. They reported this
to their superiors, saying things like, it feels like someone's
(05:43):
sticking a pencil deep into my ear. I'm having blurred
or damaged vision. I feel like I've been hit with
an overwhelming force. I never had migrains, but now I
have migraines. My sense of balance is off. I've got
fuzzy brain, you know, kind of like people would later
encounter with long COVID. And as far as we could tell, initially,
(06:06):
Uncle Sam had a lot of skepticism. They were saying
these symptoms were psychosomatic. They were saying, these symptoms are,
you know, in other words, delusional. This has changed quite recently,
as we're recording. On March eleventh, just a few days back,
(06:27):
sixty Minutes learned that there is a weapon that can
inflict injuries like this. It was in the way we
know this is that it was obtained illicitly overseas and
it was secretly tested on a US military base for
nine years. Sixty Minutes and CBS and some other journalists
(06:52):
have been investigating this, and it looks like there's something
to it, you guys, it looks like they're is some
fire to all the smoke.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
They're saying, this thing has been tested for nine years.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
They're saying, yeah, they're saying the investigation, Yeah, that's a
great question to clarify. They're saying, the investigation into these
allegations has gone on for almost a decade before Sixty
Minutes aired. Their aired their episode, which you can watch
for free online now, and we highly recommend doing so.
(07:30):
They also found that so the story of these reports
dates back to twenty sixteen, but new evidence seems to
find that these quote anomalous health incidents date back to
nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, yeah, as though this thing has been around for
quite a long long time. Ben, Let's I'm so excited,
isn't the right word. It's so great to have these
revelations because it does seem to match up so well
with the things the individuals were saying they're getting hit by,
(08:08):
and the logistics of attacks and where they occurred always
seemed to be a big problem, right, Like, there's no
way a huge device could be attacking you right now
where you are, right, that was their idea.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Is that for something their public statements later revealed public
statements of initial investigations on the US side, they said,
it doesn't make sense for something like this to occur
because what we know about this potential technology means you
would have two big things. You would have an easily
(08:42):
traceable source emitting the energy or whatever it may be,
and then second, you would need something the size of
like a truck to move around. You know, sort of
like when you see the when you see the less
than lethal weapons that the US military is working with,
Like it's not l rad but you know what I'm
talking about, guys, The thing that hits you with sounds sonic. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, it's sort of kind of like, what's that thing
that Darth Vader does?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, it's also the one we're describing that sonic weapon.
If you look at pictures of it now, the ones
that have been publicly released, it looks like a Chonky
boy mountain the top of a hobby.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, it's kind of thing we talked about recently with
lasers when we were discussing how large of a system
you need for the lasers, but mostly before the power.
It's mostly because you need a ton of power to
make the weapon function theoretically right. That's why the truck
is involved. That's why it would be a device on
(09:46):
the top of a roof somewhere that you could easily
see if you had some binoculars.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And more importantly, unless it was on something mobile like
a truck, it would be very visible and it would
also be pretty stationary, so it'd be difficult to move
this if you get made. But this brings us to,
you know, larger issues. We've got multiple people in government
(10:12):
or former government officials who have experienced Tavana syndrome speaking
on and off the record regarding how the investigations unfolded,
and at every single turn, what we see is these
people are saying like, people who experience this are saying
that they were dismissed or downplayed or ignored, And people
(10:35):
who are part of these initial investigations are saying, like,
from the jump, we were told to minimize this. We
were told here's what we need to find, and tell
us what you find as long as you find what
we want.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, it's not very far out of character from the
discussions we just had around sexual assault reporting in the military.
The idea of just protect the organization at all costs exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And this is this is where we go to folks
like doctor David Relman, Stanford University, professor of Medicine. He
was asked by the government to lead to investigations. He
talks about this in depth in sixty minutes. They had
reports in twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, and doctor
(11:26):
Relman concludes, based on these investigations that at least some
of these cases have reported Havana syndrome were a form
of radio frequency or microwave energy, which we had discussed
with some of the same caveats later. But here's the thing, guys.
(11:47):
In both of his investigations, right over, two different ones
separated by years, they found that the majority of research
into a weapon like this, like a a mobile handheld
version of a Havada syndrome weapon. They said, most of
(12:07):
the work have been conducted by the former Soviet Union,
and they went super deep on this. They had been
researching and experimenting with this concept for decades and decades
and decades before people in the US even really thought
about it outside of science fiction.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
So then these undercover guys go in and they purchase
one of these things. In twenty twenty four for it
was a lot of money, right, several million dollars.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
From the Russians, right, well, not from the official Russian
state is the thing, got it? They verified this by
three independent sources, and sixty minutes, by the way, sat
on this because they had to make sure they were correct.
But three independent sources from different agencies have verified two
journalists that undercover homeland security agents. We're able to purchase
(13:01):
what we're now going to call a miniaturized microwave weapon
from organized crime in Russia. They can't say too much
more about it, but apparently some members of Congress have
been shown a picture of the device, have had its
mechanisms explained to them. Obviously, some of our boffins are
(13:22):
intensely reverse engineering this, or they have been, but the
journalists themselves haven't seen it because the existence of the
device is still classified.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, is this the famed discombobulator?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Do you think he's very close?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Seems similar, And especially as we learn more about this weapon,
we'll understand why it could be easily dropped in with
some troops let's say.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
M h, Yeah, because it doesn't look like a gun.
That's that's what we know. We know that if you're
looking for something that appears to be a handheld laser,
you're barking up the wrong tree. It is small enough
to not just be carried by a person, but to
be concealed upon their person. So you could put it inside,
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you know, your suit jacket pocket.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You could well, isn't it backpack sized?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think that's the concept.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Like a proton pack kind of.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, Like it wouldn't that's what you mean by conceal
on your person. It wouldn't be like you're carrying a
little red wagon of spooky Cold War shenanigans. But apparently
the device is complex. It's not just a point and shoot.
In other words, you can program it for different scenarios.
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You can operate it by remote control. The range is
several hundred feet. It can go through windows, it can
go through dry.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Wall check check yeah, the embassy walls perhaps, right.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The vital unless you're in a skiff or something hardened,
I guess the vital components, the things you need to
make this secret sauce. They're all made in Russia, so
there's not a international supply chain that would be easily discernible.
And the more troubling thing is the implication not to
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be to Dennis Reynolds about this, but our operatives found
this not from the state level. They found it through
organized crime, through gangsters, right through what's that var right,
the thieves in law basically, and that means that the
State of Russia has probably lost a degree of control
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over this technology, which then logically means that other bad
faith actors can get a hold of this, other parts
or other genres of organized crime. Cartel's terrorists could get
a hold of something like this, and obviously they would
find a great many uses for it. It reminds me of
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our episode years back on the potential of rogue nukes,
remember that one.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Mm hmm, yeah, well, like is that like a broken
arrow type situation?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, broken arrow thing, or like in the fall
of the USSR. You guys, remember we're all very intensely
concerned in various communities at the time that hey, maybe
maybe there is some nuclear material in Kazakhstan. And now
Kazakhstan is no longer under the control of the Soviet
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Union because it doesn't exist. So what happens in the
wake of that kind of collapse. You see a lot
of corruption, You see a kleptocracy, and then nukes are
for sale.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Maybe it ain't like we don't sell a bunch of crazy,
deadly armaments to folks that end up being our.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Adversaries, you know, right, Yeah, there aren't really good guys
at this level of the game. But we also, like,
we also know that that if there is a lack
of control over this kind of approach or this kind
of weaponry, we know that it could pop up anywhere
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unless you can figure out the logistics, the supply chain,
the chain of custody, which could be darn near impossible
if this thing is as easy to construct as people
suspect it may be. But again important note, this may
be a positive note. According to what Relman predicted and
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what sixty minutes seems to be able to prove, is
that the key to this device, what makes it so
dangerous is not necessarily the hardware, right, It's the software.
It's the programming that creates a unique type of electromagnetic
wave that rises and falls abruptly and the pulses rapidly.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Sounds pretty discombobulating to me, guys.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
No, I thought you might have some insight on this,
in particular because of your work with sound waves and
shaping them. So what does it say been rises and
falls abruptly, pulses rapidly. If we were talking about a
sound wave, what would that like, what would that look like?
Would that be like? Just what can you tell us
about that?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's interesting because I mean typically when I think of
like manipulating sound waves, it has more to do with
shaping the timber of a particular you know, sound that
you perceive with your ears. Obviously, we know like mega
mega low frequencies can travel through walls, which is why
you'll hear the boom boom of base, you know, on
the in your house from a concert, and it's like,
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you know, a mile away, because that travels really far.
I am not, however, an expert on how you could.
I know, certainly super super high frequencies can be bad
for your hearing, But then there are also things that
are outside of the range of human hearing. So we're
obviously talking about something a little different in terms of
like perceived sound. This is much more of like a
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using sound as a medium. But I'm a little yeah,
I don't quite certainly if it was a sound that
was affecting you, either subconsciously or actually in your ears.
Having it rapidly pulse in that way could potentially exacerbate
how bad it could affect you, or how it could
affect you. I don't really have an answer to that though,
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because I don't really typically think of sound in these terms.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
It causes physical damage, is what we're seeing. And we
know this because once the US got a hold of
the device, they did test it again on rats and
sheep in a military lab in secret, and they did
this for more than a year, and they were able
to emulate the conditions and injuries that had been seen
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in people reporting Havana syndrome.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You know, it's funny we talk about infrasound a lot
on the show, and that could well be the type
of thing we're talking about inaudible mega mega low frequencies that,
while not perceptible by the hearing organs, you know, the ears,
can damage internal organs because typically when we're talking about
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sounds causing damage, we're talking about extremely loud sounds, right,
really high decibel levels of sound, and we typically think
of that as damaging your ears in you know, or
certain cells in your ears right, causing permanent hearing loss.
But infrasound is maybe more along the lines of what
we're talking about here, super super super low frequencies that
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can actually not be perceived audibly but can actually cause
internal organ damage.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, and let me hit two points real quick here
so you can get a sense of this. There are
videos that appear to show Americans being hit by this
device or something like it. Those videos remain classified. We
have not seen them, neither have the journalist and investigators
over at sixty minutes. But in one there's a camera
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in an ordinary restaurant in Istanbul. There are two FBI agents.
They're apparently not at work, they're on vacation. They're hanging
out with their families. They're having like a group dinner.
A man with a backpack walks in and suddenly everybody,
how cinematic is this? Everybody grabs their head at this
table as though they are an intense pain. And then
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another video apparently comes from a stairwell in the US
embassy in Vienna. The stairs do lead to a secure facility.
In this video, two people walking on the stairs suddenly collapse.
And in both of those videos, apparently the intel community
in the West was able to verify that there were
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Russian agents in the area within one hundred feet, so
within range. I think it's important to mention those videos.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Wow, Matt, I know you have something sad as well.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So those videos are really important because it shows the
effects of what witnesses and victims have been explaining. They
do hear sounds, but they also immediately feel things like
a migraine that we described, and those those sounds are
almost like chirping. They've called they've you know, like super
loud crickets. They've been described in a lot of different ways.
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But and we're talking about if it is this weapon,
we're talking about microwaves that are pulsed super high frequency,
super low frequency, just rapidly, rapidly, rapidly hitting you in
your body. And if it is mimicking the things that
your brain, the signals that your brain can send, as
well as the signals that your heart can send, you
can imagine some of that might be actual physical sound
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you're hearing, but others are it's almost like you know,
your your bones. You can you can get sounds, you
can have like hallucinatory sounds when there's not actually a
sound occurring. I'm just wondering if that's what it is.
When you're getting hit with just that frequency that's zooming
up and down so fast.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It Also, we have to wonder one thing we need
more information on is the typical time of exposure. So
is it a zapp z app or do you have
to hold it for a few seconds to really get
that oscillation and that sudden change to have an aggregate effect.
This thing is silent. Apparently it doesn't create heat like
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you would see in a microwave oven. It also appears
that the Biden administration, when there were about two months
left in their bid, the President of the United States
and his team summoned Havana syndrome survivors to the White
House to essentially tell them, hey, you're not crazy.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Hey cool, Better late than never, and just to give
you a quick range. And I don't know that that
we're necessarily talking about decibel levels here, but eighty five
decibels is the low end and very safe for long
term exposure things like ambient sound, traffic, et cetera. Of
louder ambient sound one hundred and twenty decibels is where
you start to feel pain and can suffer actual damage
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to your ears. One hundred and fifty you can actually
rupture your ear drums immediately, not long term exposure required.
No long term exposure require. One hundred and seventy to
two hundred can kill you. Long enough exposure cause pulmonary
damage to your internal organs, and up to two hundred
and forty decibels can be fatal with extreme bodily impact.
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So I'm just it's very interesting because obviously they've figured
out something that I can't quite wrap my head around.
I'm wondering if it's high decibel levels of incredibly low frequencies.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, you know, well, put thank you for that. We
know that. We also know there's another layer of conspiracy
cake here because the Biden White House apparently wrote a
public statement that they were going to publish backing the victims, saying, hey,
you know, these are hard working service members and their families.
They are not crazy. They're not being gas lit or
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jas lit however you want to pronounce it. But here's
the thing, gents, When after they wrote that public statement,
for some reason, they never released it. They buried that
public statement of support, and there are any number of
possible reasons why maybe they didn't want maybe they didn't
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want Russia to know they had obtained a working device.
It's very very strange stuff. Yeah, we're going a little
long on this, but we can't wait to hear from
you folks about this. We hope that you do get
a chance to check out the phenomenal investigation by sixty
minutes and write to us and let us know where
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you think this is going to go in the future.
Because one of the distressing things is everybody who has
spoken on record about this from the US seems to
think that Russia now has a technological advantage which they
figured out a toy that the US didn't know about.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, imagine if you can make this thing huge and
put it on a helicopter and fly it over a
whole area, you know, or if you could if you
could put it on a truck and make it omni
present right, shoot it in every direction rather than just
one way. But which seems to be something that the
US has been working on, right at least with what
happened in Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Right, we also know no end to here. We also
know that one of the big questions amid all the
many big questions about this is why would the government
want to bury this? It's a question repeatedly asked in
these conversations, and there's a former CIA officer who said
the following, which I hate to admit, I think is
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a really good point. They say, quote, I think it
comes down to a political question. I mean, if we
acknowledged that this was a state actor that was doing this,
it is essentially a declaration of war against the United States,
which has to have a response from the US government.
In my opinion, I don't know that the appetite was
there to respond to the Russians at that time. End quote.
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So we're saying, if we admit that we know this
is happening, we have a thing, then we are going
to be forcing ourselves to respond and escalate.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I also just think it's pretty funny how loose lipped
our president can be. He was talking about the use
of something maybe like this in Venezuela. To your point, Matt,
he said, I can't we got this new, crazy new weapon.
I can't talk about it. But here's what it is
and what it does. And I named it the discombobulator,
and it discombobulates, and it really does sound like that's
(27:42):
what we're talking about. Sorry, I keep harping on that.
I just think it's hilarious. But I love the whole
notion of I can't talk about it, but here let
me talk.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
About And weren't there reports in Venezuela that some of
the folks who experienced that what would you call it
many invasion, they experience that kind of thing where they
were frozen in place, crazy headache, They felt like they
were being attacked from inside. And this weapon, at least
according to David Relman, would make you feel like it
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is happening inside of you.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Could it also potentially mess up electronics and be used
to damage equipment, because that's one thing that Trump was
alluding to, that it was a way of messing up
all of their you know, sensors, various electronic equipment.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Possibly, But then we have to consider that in the
Great Toolkit, there are already known devices that can do that,
you know, through empulses and so on. But yeah, this
could potentially do something like that.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Ah Ben, you really reminded me of a point that
I heard in some analysis of what Trump was saying,
is that it sounded like he maybe misconstrued a couple
of things and maybe combined a couple of pre existing
equipment with this new weapon and acted as though they
were one and the same and they could do all
of the things. So it does. It all tracks with
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what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Right, Sometimes the conspiracies are real, So please, again, I
can't recommend it enough. Check out that statement we're ending
on with that former CIA officer that might inform some
of the secrecy, but that secrecy resulted in a cover
up that was incredibly damaging to public servants of the
United States. We would love to hear your thoughts about this.
(29:28):
There's so much more to get into regarding Havana syndrome,
which again is an unfair name. Sorry to the good
people of Havana. It's got like Spanish flu, right. It
got called the Spanish flu because they were the first
people to openly report it to the public. Benihow. You
can learn more about this by going to places like
(29:50):
Insider dot Ru, a Russian dissident magazine. You can read
extensive statements from survivors of this and if you have
encountered this or encountered something like it, we want to
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Speaker 4 (30:16):
And we've returned and Ben teased a couple of articles
that I happened upon, and I'm just gonna get one
of them out of the way. It's sort of the
more unpleasant one there is. I was actually recently in
Copenhagen and I heard about this very famous restaurant called
Noma that's there and has really given the city a
huge reputation in terms of its place in the fine
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dining world. This has long been considered one of the
best restaurants in the world, or at least at one time.
It was. A probing article from The New York Times
that was released recently described a systematic culture of abuse
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and just mistreatment of chefs and interns and basically any
staff at this restaurant at the hands of Renee read Zeppi,
who again Anthony Bourdain once called like the most exciting
and innovative chef in the world. We're talking stuff like
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allegations of physical abuse, him punishing the entire staff for
the infractions of one going down the line, punching people
in the chest, crazy stuff like hiding under prep tables
and jabbing people in the shins with cutlery, not to
mention just horrific psychological abuse and the kinds of things
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that we talk about in terms of hazing rituals in
the military reports, you know, coming from individuals who had
worked there in the past, saying it was more like
working in an emergency room or being you know, in
at war than it was like working in a restaurant. Interestingly,
many of the folks who reported being subjected to this
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mistreatment did kind of end their statements with but I'm
glad I did it because it made me a better chef,
which I think is part and parcel to the Stockholm
syndrome of these types of abusive relationships.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's just the culture of it.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's the culture of the of the world of fine dining.
I mean, you've seen it. Who's the guy that used
to do the soup Talk soup who was in community Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Joe McHale. He he plays a very similar chef in
the Bear who tormented the protagonist of the show kr
Me and is shown just absolutely dressing him down in
front of his staff and just saying that you should
kill yourself. Horrible, horrible things like that. And it's describing
a real, a real thing you know in this world,
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and this expose a really points to how real it is.
And in a wake of this report, a lot of
sponsors have pulled their support of red Zeppi and some
of his residencies that he's doing outside of Copenhagen in
La One, in particular a thousand dollars plus you know
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cost per plate series of pop ups in Los Angeles
have been I believe pulled. I've seen some inflicting reports
saying that maybe they are still going to happen, but
definitely some sponsors have backed out, including a hospitality company
called Blackbird, as well as American Express. This these allegations
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of abuse have this is not these are not new.
There have been in the past, like as far back
as like you know, the early twenty twenties, things along
the lines of, you know, screaming at employees. There's even
a video that was your least I've read Zeppie screaming
at some of his staff. But he had come out
(34:05):
with statements saying that, Okay, I'm sorry, I've changed, you know,
I've got anger issues, this that and the other, but
I've never hit anybody. And now we're starting to see
these reports rolling out of folks saying that's just not
the case.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Wow, I remember, you know, you're you're absolutely right there. No,
I read a little bit about this story some of
those other allegations. But fellow foodies, we all recall, you know,
Nomah for a while was the number one restaurant in
the world, right up there with Spain's a boo yi,
but it wasn't. Didn't Nova also encounter an investigation into
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their culture when they had some kind of contamination scandal.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
I don't recall that one. I know they're very focused
on foraging and using like hyper local ingredients and you know,
mushrooms picked from the forest and things like that. I'm
certain that you're right, Ben, I didn't follow that one.
But there was another allegation, or at least controversy that
they were absolutely taking advantage of unpaid interns, and that
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was you know, addressed by their pr wing and they
did make a change in that, you know, internships from
that point forward were paid. But even as red Zeppie
stepped away from running day to day operations. Some of
these allegations also include executive chefs that took his place
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that he appointed carrying on a similar culture of fear, intimidation,
and abuse. So it again very much just seems like
much of the same. And then a culture of this
kind of stuff that I think even exceeds some of
the perceptions that we might have of how aggressive some
of these fine dining kitchens might be.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And a conspiracy of silence. I just found it, folks, right,
a conspiracy of silence because you don't want to make
enemies with the big right and you want to have
that on your CV or your resume. I think a
lot of us first heard whispers of this abuse of
culture back in twenty thirteen. That's when sixty three diners
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apparently got neurovirus and eating at Noma, and then people
start to look into, you know, behind the front of
house to see what was happening in the kitchen, and
that's where they started finding some of these rumors of abuse.
But it looks like from twenty thirteen up until now
as we're recording, that stuff wasn't reported. Really, it was
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kind of ignored or buried.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, it's interesting stuff, especially in the wake of the
conversations that we just had about keeping quiet about things
like the VANA syndrome, keeping quiet about sexual assaults and
abuse in the military, it does seem like there is
a similar code of silence. And some of these really
sought after fine dining kitchens because you're just so lucky
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to be there, or that's the sense, right that you
don't want to, you know, upset the apple.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Cart in a very real sense, having even just a
short time in a kitchen like that is going to
set you up for your next job, or your next
two jobs. Oh yeah, and I mean getting in a
in the world's best restaurant. If you get in that kitchen,
you were going to hang on to that like as
long as you possibly can.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
And that's what a lot of these folks said in
their statements that, you know, while they did report the
horrible things that happened to them, they wrapped up a
lot of their statements with but I'm glad I did it.
It was worth it. It opened doors that would not
have otherwise been open. And that's the catalyst for this
kind of abuse to be able to continue, is they
know what they've got, you know, and it's there's a
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sense of being untouchable, you guys.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Earlier, I was watching today a video. It was a
police police bodycam video.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Huge now on the youtubes man.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, it was an incident that occurred not that long
ago in Iowa where firefighters were called out because there
was some alarm going off at a frat house, and
police officers went down into the basement of this frat house.
I'm not gonna give you the specifics because it's I
don't know the full details of what was occurring or why.
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And here's why. The police officers get into the frat house,
get to the basement, open a door in the basement,
and they see a whole bunch of young men without
shirts on, standing around in the dark. And then there
are other guys who are maybe a year older than them,
wearing hoodies and just not talking to police, not telling
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anyone what's going on, not communicating anything to these police officers.
The men who without shirts appear to be in dress,
although they are telling the police officers, we are here
on our own free will, we want to be here,
we want this, we want this. And the police officers
are genuinely scared for these young men and they feel
like they need to do something. But because of the
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way fraternities are set up, and in this case, it
was hazing rituals which were against the university's policies. So
they're like misdemeanors or whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
But adults, Yes, they're adults, and they refuse prosecution or investigation.
I've seen that video. It's so creepy because it's out
there in the dark. It's just chilling.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, it's just insane, the cycle, the psychology of it. Right,
I am very much willing to go through whatever this
horrifying thing is because I believe that this is for
my own best interest in all.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Many ways it can be, and that's incredibly dangerous. Just
to wrap this one up, I mentioned a lot of
the physical abuse. One of the most chilling reports of
psychological abuse was read Zeppi encountering one of his chefs
listening to techno music, which is a genre that he
personally despised, and he forced this individual to say out
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loud in front of the entire crew that something to
the effect of I give oral sex to DJs. Oh wow,
you know, just like humiliation ritual type stuff. And I
believe there was a sense that until he did this,
everyone else was going to be punished.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's you know, it's going to be eternally mystifying to
a lot of people. Outside of that industry, how militaristic
kitchens can be very much not a democracy, right, and
how much abuse happens around the restaurant industry across the planet.
Nomah is in the headlines because this is severe, but
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also because Noma is such a game changing three Michelin
star restaurant, you got to remember this stuff could be
happening in your local restaurants too well.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
And I think it's not for nothing that I reference
the military abuses that we've been talking about, because the
whole structure of a lot of these fine dining restaurants
called brigades, it is based on military structures of like
having a hierarchy and uh, you know, yes, chef and
all of this kind of stuff. I mean, it is
very much a military structure at that level of fine dining.
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So you're it's it's it's it's no, it's no coincidence
that you're going to start to see some of the
same abuses that you see creep into military situations.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Speaking of higher hierarchies, guys, my son just got confirmation
last night that he earned his black belts. He doesn't
have it yet, but he's he has earned it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's amazing now, and and you know that's one of
those organizations at least song Taekwindo, the one he does
where you yes, sir, yes, ma'am everybody. And and now guys,
he is mister Frederick.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Awesome, congrats mister Frederick. Oh yeah, great man. I was
gonna I was going to ask you about that offline.
So glad to hear that, man.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
And it's not to say that, you know, instilling respect
and authority figures and that level of rigor. And you know,
what's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Discipline.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Discipline isn't incredibly important and incredibly and powerful when treated appropriately.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, it's how you how you engage with the concept
of discipline and hierarchy and accountability. You know, when you're
when you're saying, hey, you are in this position, these
are your roles and responsibilities, this is your growth path.
That's discipline. That's great, that's very good for society. But
when you're saying, and this happened, you know in the
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armed forces all the time as well, right when you're saying,
collective punishment is a thing that's going to happen. So everybody, remember,
we're going to have a blanket party because this dumbass polishers.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Shoes go to private pile.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
F do right, and then we'll get on private pile
as a command structure and as your fellow Marines.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I feel like I kind of know what a blanket
party is, and I feel like I've seen it depicted.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Is this a way of delivering a beating with the
double metal mark full metal jacket? They cover you up
with blankets, they pull it down on either side of
the bed. Yeah, and then they beat it out of you.
But because I covered, it's less likely to leave visible
marks that can be reported, Like one thing I encountered
in the past would be phone books right back, phone
books or a.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Bag socks full of oranges? Is that's another win because
the thinking is the way it distributes what's hitting you,
is that it will not leave many noticeable bruises, but
it will still inflict me.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
And then if you're a restaurant, hey, you know what,
you can use the oranges later for dinner service.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
They're presquos.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's a win win.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, it is a win win. That one went all
the longer than I expect it. Actually I should have expected.
That's fascinating and it really does align with a lot
of the things we've been talking about lately, but I
will just mention the UFO story ut has been just
essentially is a use of AI that I'm intrigued by.
There is a UFO expert in Canada named Chris Ratkowski
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who has spent decades researching the phenomenon as part of
ufology Research, which is an organization in Manitoba that tracks
UAP sightings in Canada, and reports are up in Canada.
I don't know if we've talked too much about that,
but it would appear that there is a rise in
reports of unidentified objects in the sky. Data collected by
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ufology Research found that reports of one thy fifty two
UFO sities in Canada were filed last year, with government agencies, participating,
private organizations and through social media. This is from the
National Observer out of Canada, and Ratkowski believes that artificial intelligence,
machine learning, whatever you want to call it, can be
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used to further investigate some of these sightings and differentiate
from things that are less worthy of investigation or perhaps
you know, things that could be a blip and mistaken
for such things that would maybe filtering out some of
the better filter it's a better filter. And I, for
one support this kind of use of that technology and
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think that's a good example. We're always ragging on AI,
and for good reason, but this is the kind of
stuff I think is pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I'm with it. I was also reading just earlier before
we began recording strange news that recent studies have found
another great use of AI AI in predicted predictive weather models.
Not only is it better than the older models, but
it uses less energy to find its results.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
So it's not terrible a use of AI that uses
less energy. I'm interested, crazy, pretty neat.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I'll send it all find I'll please do.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I do worry a little bit about this technology's insistence
on hallucinating things, because I do feel like in the
weather patterns, you know, or in oh, let's say, looking
up at the sky and trying to analyze what's a UFO,
it might imagine some things and.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Then nuke them. That's what that what, that's what all
naturally happened. So maybe the current president wasn't that far
off base when he proposed nuking a hurricane. Maybe he
was just thinking about AI decisions set it on fire.
I loved it when he just fight. It was like
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it was like a classic nineteen eighties comic doing stand
up and going what else? What else? Hurricane? We could
nuke it all up the moon.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
We have this hurricane in the left corner, hurricane in
the right corner, typhoon. We will finally know which one
we support.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
American.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Our hurricanes are American.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Damn it.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
But that's okay. So that's where we're at. We're in
a weird timeline and we are aware I should mention
on this on this conversation, not to make a school long,
but we are aware of the ongoing debate between AI
companies and the Department of Defense or Department of War.
So we'll be following up more on that for sure.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And last thing, because you teazed it, Ben, Yes, that
was Jim Carrey at the fifty first Caesar Awards in Paris.
There was a quick flash in the pan conspiracy theory
that took the Internet by storm briefly that this individual
appearing at this awards ceremony was in fact some sort
of clone or body double of Jim Carrey, and that
(47:32):
rumor was exacerbated by an Instagram post by the makeup
artist and drag performer Alexis Stone, who is famous for
doing very very realistic impersonations of celebrities. This person posted
an image of a mask type thing looks very much
like the I think you should leave Havoc guy mask
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and a pair of removable teeth next to it, and
a wig on a wighead, and then through the window
you can see the Eiffel Tower eagle eyed or not
even that eagle eyed. Instagram users were quick to point
out that this is the most ai looking crap imaginable,
and this was a good case of someone just kind
of clout farming and trying to stir up the pot
(48:18):
to get some engagement. It would appear that mister Carey
has undergone some filler operations. He hasn't been in the
public eye for quite some time, per his own choice.
You may recall he very actively said that he is
no longer a celebrity, he's no longer an actor and
has not been photographed publicly, and in that's that amount
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of time, people can change the way they look. It
does appear that that's the case. He may have had
some swelling. One thing that was pointing out was it
his eye color change. I don't know about that haven't
seen any evidence as to what may have gone on there,
but mister Carey does seem to have been slightly miffed
by the reports that it was not him and says
it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
That's a fun idea, guys, get some colored contacts in
case any of us ever gets famous enough to be
paparazzied and then just have our eye colors change.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Well, given Jim Carrey's obsession with guys like Andy Kaufman
who pulled stunts like this, like as a as a
public whatever performed piece of performance art to extreme comedy,
it does seem like the kind of thing he might
have done. M hmm, like like to hire somebody like
Alexis Stone. Because I'm not gonna lie, I didn't look
too closely at that image, but when I saw the
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post from Alexis Stone, I kind of believed it for
a second thought. Maybe they leagued up together and did
this as some kind of fun, spoofy publicity stunt. And
because he also said some things when he was interviewed
about this is the face that I love the most,
and that was dissected and pointed out as being a
bit of a wink and a nod to the fact
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that it might be a false face.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Well, there's the other there's another aspect here. It was
confusing to me because I love Jim Carrey met Jim yet.
But I guess he's got the love of the boundary
pushing comedians, and he's got a lot of interesting stuff
to say about conspiracies. But we also have to acknowledge
there's another huge social dynamic in Hollywood that is pretty brutal,
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that says you can't seem to age naturally. And it's
just so bizarre to me that a guy known legendarily
so for his beautiful facial expressions, his wonderful impressions, all
that stuff, maybe the social pressure got to him, But
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it seems like it would be bad for the mobility
of your face. I don't get the threshold.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I don't get it. I just don't understand the impulse.
It just looks odd to me, and it does seem
to be a product of that Hollywood mentality. And you know,
do what you will, what makes you feel better, what
makes you feel good. I'm not oppost to anybody doing
what is right for them personally. I just think it's
unfortunately that it would seem that some people take these
steps and in my opinion, end up looking having this
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uncanny valley quality that just is is far more unusual
and off putting than if they just age naturally.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
That's it, agreed, yep.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
Let's take a quick break here, a word from our sponsor,
and then we back with our last strange news segment.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And we've returned. Oh, guys, aren't you excited? We're talking Epstein?
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Do do do do?
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Do? Do?
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Do do?
Speaker 4 (51:31):
I have heard him mentioned in ages.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
We're talking j ee vacation. Guys, here we go. This
is coming out of Detroit News via the Miami Herald.
Because I didn't pay for Miami Harold. Prison guards discussed
cover up of Epstein's death. Inmate tells FBI. This is
published March eighth, twenty twenty six. I'm just gonna read
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quite a bit of this. Guys. Please just put a
hand up and stop me, because I'm just gonna read
through because a lot of this is very important, and
then we can discuss analyze in between. An inmate housed
in the Metropolitan Correctional Center told the FBI he overheard
guards talking about covering up Jeffrey Epstein's death on the
morning he died. This is pretty crazy. It's a five
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page handwritten report of an FBI interview with an inmate
who was there, who woke up in the morning on
August tenth, twenty nineteen, to what was at least written
down as a loud commotion in the special housing unit
where Jeffrey Epstein was housed. According to this note, he
overheard breathe, breathe, and then dudes, you killed that dude.
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Isn't that kind of crazy?
Speaker 3 (52:43):
You can kill that.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Dude that's up there with don't tasee me, bro.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
But here, well exactly, here's the next line. According to
this statement, a female guard said, if he is dead,
we're going to cover it up, and he's going to
have an alibi.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
My officers, I'm loudly announcing our plan. Everyone. Everyone, don't worry,
don't We're going to cover it up. Guys meet me
at the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
It sounds crazy, right, It sounds like something that wouldn't happen.
The other side of me has to allow for the possibility,
in a moment of panic, right, that this isn't a
loud conversation. This is a dude. You kill that dude
if he's dead. We're gonna cover it up, and he's
gonna have an alibi my officers, like if it's under
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hushed breath potentially, But then if you look at the
pictures that we have we've analyzed before on this show
of the actual cells and how they are located, how
secure it is, and how each one of those cells
has a teeny tiny window on the door that you
can actually see through, and if that door is closed.
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It seems as though we haven't a acoustically tested this place,
but it seems as though it might be difficult to
hear things going on inside a closed cell, but it's
not going to be closed if other people are in
that cell, right right?
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Is he saying like listen here, my officers, that's an
odd people.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
With female guard is kind of rallying the troops like,
my boys, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
How do you do, fellow officers?
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Exactly till we also, I mean, we to that scenario.
We know that if this happened, if this report to
the FBI is does indeed have veracity, then we have
to acknowledge that this could have been an accidental moment
of panic, and when people are panicking, they're maybe not
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as circumspect as they should. Yeah, like you break up,
you break a plate at the sleepover because you were
rough housing, and then you know, your kids, you all
get together and you like whisper really quick, like what happened?
Does your mom care about that plate? Yes? About that plate?
Speaker 4 (55:06):
Or you or you poop your pants and you, you know,
hastily hide the evidence and then my mom, that didn't
happen to me.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
What shut up?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
I'm proud of you. It's actually really difficult to force
yourself to poop yourself.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Okay. The handwritten note identified uh the officer as Tova Noel,
someone we've discussed before on this show. And we're going
to continue talking about this before we even talk about
any of that, let's just put this out there. The
New York Post has reached out to lawyers for Noel,
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who declined to comment, and during her sworn statement, she
was asked if she had any part in Epstein's death
and she replied no. So let's just put that there
right now. Let's go back to this note, because the
witness said miss Noel killed Jeffrey. That is what the
witness said, who says he overheard these people talking and
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what was going on? Oh no excuse me. He says
that the inmates were all saying miss Noel killed Jeffrey.
That's a very different situation, right, This is that becomes hearsay.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
But he did.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
But he did identify Toven Noel, who was charged with
falsifying reports. Remember we talked about this. She and it
was Tovin Noel and one other officer that were on
duty that night that Jeffrey Epstein died, and they both
falsified reports that they were making checks every thirty minutes
and they were not. One of them was sleeping, one
of them was googling. A whole bunch of stuff. So
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let's head on down to the next article, which does
come from the New York Post. Epstein prison guard googled
him minutes before body found and made mysterious deposit before suicide.
This is from the Department of Justice. Going back to
Tovin no Well, she's one of the two that was there.
She's accused of falsifying records. She googled, according to DOJ,
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latest on Epstein in jail at five forty two in
the morning and then again at five point fifty two
in the morning. This is forty minutes before her colleague
the other officer who was on duty, Michael Thomas, found
Jeffrey Epstein's.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Body less than forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Right, six six thirty is the official time. Six thirty
in the morning is the official time when he's found
at least.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Four or after it was posted on four chan.
Speaker 3 (57:34):
I don't know, Sorry, Jesus, that is interesting. I think
it would have to be before. Yes, the four cham
poster was talling. Just recap, folks. The four jam poster
is talking about, uh, the body being transported before the
news is publicly announced.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Right, so he's discovered, there's a big to do, then
his body gets transported somewhere. Sorry, I know this is
a lot you can do.
Speaker 4 (58:02):
No, this is fascinating and it's I'm glad to at
least have a little bit of levity in how goofy
this communication was. But oil boy, is it just more
bs upon bs. It's just like it's a lot to swallow.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
It feels really weird because all of that coming out
by the DOJ And when when tovin Noel was was questioned,
she says, I don't remember doing that. That's not accurate.
I don't recall looking him up. And that is kind
of a weird thing to do, right.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
Computer, Yeah, computer, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's it's there, yeah, in the the tiny little like
desk space there that we've looked at in these pictures.
It's a weird thing to look at. Let's say, let's
say she knew this is speculation. Let's say she knew
he was dead. What is the purpose of looking that up?
Speaker 3 (58:54):
Is it? Yeah, it's a good question. It's one of
my questions I had. I'm sure a lot of us
had this were reading this news while back, folks. One
of my first questions was, Okay, if it's a work computer,
just walk with me here, guys, thought experiment. If it's
a work computer, then someone can have a log in
and it doesn't necessarily mean the activity under their log
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in is actually them. So therefore, is it possible we
just have to make room for it. Is it possible
that Noel was logged in, but wasn't the person actually
at the keys?
Speaker 2 (59:28):
But potentially, as of right now, the only other person
there is Michael is Michael being the other for Michael Thomas,
But maybe there's somebody else in the facility at the
time that I mean, we've always kind of asked that question,
why were all of the security cameras turned off. If
there was another person that wasn't supposed to be there,
then maybe you would turn off the cameras. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
And it gets wanted. Yeah, if you wanted to muddy
the water, this is why this is possibility is exciting.
If you wanted to muddy the water, then make the
guards scapegoats, make them fall guys. Oh, make them google
on their work computer. What what's the news about the
most important guy in the prison.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Have y'all heard about this Hulu show called Paradise.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I've heard of it. I've not seen yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I just started watching last night.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
I'm it's hard to talk to him too without giving
it away. But it involves a situation of a very
high profile individual who is killed and some suspicious activity
going on with the surveillance and guards and various things
like that, and it's I'm in it's so good. There's
also a mega cool twist, highly recommended. I didn't know
(01:00:44):
about this. So many big, expensive shows seemed to fly
under the radar these days, but I was looking for
something new, and it is right up the alley of
anyone that's into our show. And these types of conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That's amazing. We're going to watch that for journal. Let's
jump back really quickly to Epstein, because Chase Bank flagged
some pretty strange cash deposits in Tobinoel's bank account in
a quote suspicious activity report to the FBI back in
November twenty nineteen. This is very weird stuff. A total
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of twelve deposits began in April twenty eighteen, which culminated
in the largest deposit for five thousand dollars on July thirtieth,
twenty nineteen. Remember the date there of Epstein's death is
August tenth, twenty nineteen, so this is at the end
of July. There were seven total cash deposits totaling eleven
(01:01:45):
eight hundred and eighty dollars. But that's not all of them.
So that's seven of them equaling that, and there's still
some that like five others that are unknown at least
according to this DOJ report. She started working at the
Special Housing unit on July seventh, twenty nineteen, just a
couple of weeks before Jeffrey Epstein died. This is kind
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of weird. She's a corrections officer. This doesn't mean anything, right,
this is just one of these little weird little things
that might ping in your brain. Tovin Nowell drove a
land Rover range Rover which was a estimated to be
a sixty two thousand dollars vehicle, which is just you know,
people drive nice cars sometimes, and then that's.
Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
The highest end of high end.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
No, no, but that is a very nice vehicle. That's
a freaking and they're pointing that out there that maybe
that has something to do with the cash, maybe not,
or maybe something else right, like a gift, complete speculation there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Corruption doesn't have to be a single event, you know. Again,
it's also kind of like breaking the seal for anybody
who's met had the dubious fortune to be part of
America's biggest housing system, you have probably met corrupt prison guards.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Hmm, very much. So let's go to another internal FBI
briefing that occurred wherein it states, at approximately ten forty PM,
a correctional officer believed to be Toba Noel carried linen
or inmate clothing up to the L tier that's Jeffrey
Epstein's tier. That's the last time any correctional officer approached
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the only entrance to the special housing unit tier, and
Jeffrey Epstein allegedly hanged himself with strips of orange cloth.
When Toba Noel was questioned about why there was so
much extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell, she said
she did not know. And she also stated that she
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never gave out linen ever, and the last time she
saw Epstein alive was somewhere around ten, which is, you know,
these are all interesting things, but within this FBI in
internal briefing, it's the first time we see Tova Noel
or anybody identified within that weird, grainy footage that we
got to finally take a look at where there appears
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to be something orange going up that tiny little strip
of stairs you can see from the one camera shot
that was active. You guys, remember that there's one tiny
little active Yes, you see the orange in going up.
Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
And because there was extra orange linen within Jeffrey Epstein's cell,
like a whole bunch of it. Have you guys seen
the picture of his cell with all the orange linen?
Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Do you remember this?
Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Noel? I do?
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I mean, I'm saying, like what you're telling me is
baking mind, I'm showing it but I know it's insane, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Look, there's so much extra linen within his cell, and
there was a tiny little strip of it that is
said to be the thing that killed him, that he
killed himself with. Does all of this kind of doesn't
feel good, guys, And it's very interesting to me that
you now have to go down the rabbit hole of
(01:04:59):
trying to figure out where that cash came from, if
it actually has anything to do with either a payoff
guys or protection, because it is it has been shown
in here in some of these newer reports that it
was known Jeffrey Epstein was paying protection money to some
of the correctional officers, which is a thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Oh very much. So yeah, I mean, look at other
cases of organized crime, you know, when you have the
wise guys locked up and they use a series of
carrots and sticks against the warden and the guards to
get sweetheart deals. And especially because we know the investigation
is still ongoing, but we know one of the most
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mysterious aspects of the entire Epstein scandal is what happens
to the money. Right, we don't even know for sure
how much money he was touching, So it's quite. I
would say it's incredibly likely that he did everything he
could financially right or with other means of influence to
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improve his situation.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
There's no way to do hung himself. There's no way. So, dude,
he's people people like that don't have enough like humility,
don't have enough sense of self. That guy wasn't capable
of experiencing remorse. That's why someone does something like that.
(01:06:24):
Maybe not remorse, Maybe it's fear of we just don't
know the incarceration, ye or whatever. I just don't see it, man, I.
Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Just don't see the whole story, you know. And I
don't know about you guys, but I'm always very hesitant
from my perspective to speculate too much about psychological motivation
and a specific thing unless I've met the person. And
I'm proud to say I've not met Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
And remorse is the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
It wouldn't have been about that. It would have been,
if anything, fear of being you know, having a life
in prison and being abused, not being able to be
up for it, or you know, being the fortitude for it.
But I just don't think given what you're talking about
and his level of influence and wealth and all of
the contingency plans. I think he would have been spirited
away or something or figured out a way to get
out of it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I just I don't know, maybe we don't know any
of these answers. And I'm just and not to push back, Ben,
I would just say, I think something like the FBI's
Behavioral Science Unit does that very thing only with serial
killers generally, or you know, serial abusers or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
And I'm just saying from my perspective, I'm not qualified.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Oh of course, yeah, none of us are, very few
people are. But the I think there is something to
be gained there to think about that, but more to
be gained if you follow money, and always there's more
to be gained if you follow money. In this case,
there is a pretty clearly identified person who was there
at the time of Jeffrey Epstein's death, who was getting
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cash deposits. And if that is not a lead that
should be followed to the absolute extent that it could
possibly be followed, then I don't know what exists out
they're you know, what evidence exists of anything they could
be followed.
Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
It's such a strong lead that if you if someone's
not following it, it makes me question the motivations or
the competence of the investigators.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Precisely. The only reason why you don't follow that all
the way through is because you are trying to hide something.
And especially if you're the Department of Justice, if you're
the FBI, if you're if you're any organization that has
the ability to investigate this thing, it should be And
and you know, sworn statements are they they're great and
(01:08:33):
they make sense. But there's evidence, there is evidence to
be followed.
Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
That's the thing. Yeah, because evidence speaks with far more
gravity than a sworn statement, even though a statement could
be used as evidence. If we have routing numbers and
we have a way to a way to travel or
navigate the financial network, that's when we start seeing big results.
(01:08:59):
I don't know, maybe be people who want to judiciously,
fairly and thoroughly investigate this. Maybe they're getting little threats already,
you know, maybe cryptic emails are like, hey, don't get havaned, yeah,
or cash.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Or maybe I don't know, a pair of one hundred
and forty five dollars floor shim shoes. Anybody see the
report on that. Do you guys know about this?
Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, they don't fit.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
The President of the United States has a habit of
buying everybody who is around him pairs of one hundred
and forty five dollars floor shine black shiny shoes like
dress shoes.
Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
But he guesses the size.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yes, he guesses the size of everybody around him, including
Marco Rubio, who does not have that large a feet,
mister president, And you can see them in the pictures. Guys,
this is a weird and hilarious story. Definitely look it
up because everyone around President Trump is afraid to wear
other shoes because you're not wearing the shoes that the
president got you, So they wear giant shoes that don't
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fit them.
Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
They look like claws, friends, neighbors. They look like it
is real. Uh, it shouldn't be. This is not my
favorite of the timelines, but they it's very much like
the Emperor has no clothes, or how it has no
clothing or how in the days of absolute monarchy, everybody
had to pretend that the king's wild mercurial demands were
(01:10:29):
made some sort of sets, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
And we also know that Trump is pretty famous for
wearing ill fitting suits. So he's just maybe.
Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Station of that deal with floor Shine, you know what
I mean, they distributed to the campaign, and he was like,
I got your back for life.
Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
This is unrelatedly related, but I did see a story
about how Barren Trump has been for many years seen
wearing ill fitting suits.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
And the reason for that is because he's got body
armor on underneath.
Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
He's also too tall for the military.
Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Yeah yeah, wait what Okay, the.
Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Official reasoning for him not going into military service, or
one of the recent statements from the White House is
that at six feet nine inches, he is too tall
to be in the armed forces. That is, by the way,
Yeah it is tall, But by the way, folks, that
is also not a real reason to not be in
the military.
Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah. I didn't go in because I didn't. I didn't
want to go in the military.
Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah. He could have just said that, you know what
I mean. It's just such a weird way to try
to also brag like I could go to the military.
I was too tall. Oh. I wasn't invited to the Oscars.
It's not because my movie was bad. It's because everybody
there wants to sleep with me. And it was just
too much chaos.
Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I've been seeing a lot of videos from former certainly
that that's sore active service members talking about how Trump
is a I would have joined butt guy, and how
oftentimes those people are like the worst and it's absolutely
a type because they think they know what it's like
and they think they know how it should be done,
(01:12:12):
but they've never actually done it or been even adjacent
to it. And uh, yeah, it's been very interesting seeing
some of the perspectives from actual active service members talking
about that phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I think you could at least silently return the shoes
to the manufacturer and get an identical pair that's in
your size.
Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
What are big shoes referred to often as guys clown.
Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Shoes, all right, saying we're pro clown here, just clowns
in their place.
Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
And I was the.
Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Ben I was thinking the same thing, and then I
was imagining that somehow these shoes get marked, you know,
so like if you ever take off your shoes, they
like Trump signed each one or something to where he
would know.
Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Or there's tracking device in the heel, there's a tracking
device in the listening devices in the Oh my god,
like Maxwell smart.
Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
There we go, there we go get us a pair
of Floorsheim shoes. Folks, this strange news has brought to
you by Floersheim. What else?
Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
I'm a swig company, what else?
Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
There's more to come on the Epstein stuff. I thought
that was awesome, Matt, and thank you for bringing that
to us. I know a lot of us have been
obsessively following this story, because I won't even say obsessively,
it's just an important thing to be aware of and
to follow. You know this is a grand conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Well, isn't it crazy to see official statements from like
Iranian officials amidst bombing and all out war officials are
calling the United States and Israel the Epstein regime or
the Epstein Cabalah. Isn't that just? And they're kind of
not wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Are we the baddies? Mitchell and webar once again we
might be the batties? Well hopefully where batties in the
hip hop sense? Yeah, that two villainous sense.
Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Again.
Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
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