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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A production of iHeartRadio Welcome back to the show, fellow
conspiracy realist. Thank you as always so much for tuning in.
(00:32):
They called me Ben. Our colleagues Matt and Noel are
on adventures but will be returning soon. We're joined as
always with our super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan.
Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes
this the stuff they don't want you to know. Now
if you are tuning in to our weekly strange news
(00:54):
segment the Evening, it publishes Welcome to April twentieth and Dylan.
I was trying to figure out the most diplomatic way
to say this, but maybe we leave it with a
happy April twentieth to all who celebrate.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, it's very diplomatic and pg.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
PG Yes, a little bit of parental guidance there. Now,
as we're getting into this sort of for our cold open, Dylan,
you and I would like to share a little bit
of history behind the scenes about how stuff they don't
want you to know began a Strange News segment years ago.
(01:37):
At this point, longtime listeners, you may not be aware
that many moons passed. Dylan and I work together on
a different show called Strange News Daily. This was a
double dragon type thing, a dynamic duo type thing for
both of us. Every day for quite some time, we
(02:00):
would put out a pretty small focused podcast on three
news stories that we thought were weird. And man, I
can't thank you enough for hatching that idea with me.
And it is so bizarre to me looking back in
our older ages. It is so bizarre that we managed
(02:22):
to put out an episode of Strange News Daily every
single day, Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, that was six years ago at this point. It
was the summer of the pandemic. It was twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh wow, yeah, geez.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I really look forward to it because it was
the semblance of regularity for me during that time. And yeah,
the episodes were only about twelve minutes long, but still
towing five of those a week. That's you know, that's
a lot of content. But I you know, it makes
sense that it came over here. I was a little
bummed when it got folded in, but I was also
(02:57):
like that makes so much sense for stuff they don't
want you know. And I guess it's just kiss meant
that we're back here and I've been producing the show
for almost two years now, so.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, the boys are back in town, my friend and
Strange News Daily rides again, but as the weekly Strange
News segment on stuff they don't want you to know?
And man, I was thinking, do you remember there was
one episode of Strange News Daily where we were on
the hook for recording and I just had dental surgery,
(03:29):
so I sound like the weirdest character actor in podcast history.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I do remember that I forgot about that. That's the
peak behind the curtain for sure. Yeah we had, because
I don't know if we mentioned that on air.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
We didn't. And so thank you to everybody who reached
out to us asking if we were okay. We are
going to take a quick pause for a word from
our sponsors, and then Tennessee and I are are going
to dive right in to some very strange news. We
(04:09):
have returned. Happy Mau Mau to everybody who likes cats, Dylan,
where are you at on cats?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'm deeply allergic to cats, but I love them so
anytime I'm asked to cats that I will do so,
but I will not pet them much and wash my
hands regularly.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the sacrifices we make. Actually, my veterinarian
revealed to me a little while ago that he is
also deeply allergic to cats. Because yeah, because as we know,
our good friend of the show, doctor Venkman, has passed away.
(04:48):
And I swear I thought our veterinarian was weeping and
it was an awkward, like Larry David esque moment where
he had to say yes, no, I understand these are
always very sad situations, but mainly I'm really allergic to cats,
and that's why.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Maybe it was a little bit of both. He was
a true legend.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yep, yeah, I agree with you there. On a positive note,
we always like to start and ends with a positive
thing on a weekly Strange News segment. So we're going
to go to ABC News a story that comes to
us from just a few days ago. As we record
on April seventeenth, Clara McMichael, writing for ABC News, has
(05:34):
shared this story. On April fifteenth, pilots have been scolded
after people were hearing animal noises on air. Traffic control
radio frequencies. Literally, mau mau so Dylan, when's the last
time you were on a plane.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think I was on a plane a couple of
months ago. I did not hear any cat noises.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Though, right, right, because usually cats cats can be on planes, right,
but they usually are not in charge of the comms.
And we looked into this a little bit, and for
better or worse. Right now, we have no documented cases
of a feline actually piloting a plane. But these guys
(06:20):
got in trouble because on April twelfth, at the Ronald
Reagan Washington National Airport, the pilots started franking. They were
horsing around, and they were instead of doing the regular
pilot stuff like Hey, this is our position, this is
(06:41):
our wind speed, we're requesting land, et cetera, they were
talking to air traffic control in cat noises. So people
would say, hey, you know, are you going to land
your jet blah blah blah blah blah, and the pilots,
instead of saying yes and giving coordinates and so on,
(07:01):
they would just reply, for some reason, in loud meows.
This is a prank that the people on the plane,
the passengers were not aware of being an air traffic
controller has always been a very stressful job. They do
not suffer fools well. And so the pilot's got in
a lot of trouble and people were jumping in on
(07:22):
the shared frequency and saying, come on, guys, you need
to be professional pilots. And what did the pilots do
when they were scolded? They started meowing more, They doubled down.
There was one guy in the cockpit who said, I'm
gonna throw in some barks as well. This is something
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that's funny to us, but could have been a disaster
if the joke went wrong. The Federal Aviation Administration replied.
They said in an official statement that hey, pilots are
prevented from quote engaging in non essential conversations whenever they're
(08:04):
below ten thousand feet altitude, and that the agency further
investigates all situations where pilots may have violated those rules.
So anytime you were on a plane and you're starting
to land and you hear your pilot getting a little
too stand up comedy with stuff, you know what I mean?
(08:27):
They are actually breaking FAA laws. That's bizarre, right, And
it's also bizarre that this appears to be a running
prank in the skies amid pilots. They're trolling air traffic control.
Dennis Tazier Tajer, who is a pilot and spokesperson for
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Allied Pilots Association and the folks who represent American Airlines,
amongst others, He says that he was like, guys, we've
heard people making these cat noises for some reason before.
It is a running thing, and it happens on what
we call the guard frequency, which is supposedly used for
(09:13):
emergencies only. So they had to be fun police out there.
And he has a message Tajev for the meowing pilots.
He says, quote, for the few individuals out there that
do this, stop, join us, stay safe, and we'll keep
that frequency sacred and protected. I'm a fan of hijinks.
(09:37):
I think it's kind of cool. I understand that they
have to be fun police occasionally, but what's wrong with
a little bit of pranks?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You should be able to make a little bit of
cat noise at.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Work as long as everything else is protocol.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I do feel bad for people in the control towers.
They've been through a ton this year in last year too,
fall but yeah, it's like when does a When does
a harmless prank become harmful? I guess it's one of
those things where it's like you always see it in movies.
Everything has to be very buttoned up about the communication
on those lines, but at the same time made me
(10:17):
laugh so.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Refflicted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, before we move on, what's
the most epic prank you've ever pulled that you're comfortable
sharing on air?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Epic prank that I've pulled? Oh my gosh, I don't know.
Back in the day, my friend and I used to
make fake Facebook profiles before there was a lot of
you know, stuff around having to identify and verify yourself
on Facebook, where we'd just make a friend of ours,
but we'd put the real in front of their name,
so it would be like the real Dylan Fagan and
(10:50):
then like funny photoshops or like when they would post
status updates, we'd post the opposite of their status update,
kind of a bizarro world.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh okay, where someone would say that I made the
best mac and cheese my life, they would say I
made the worst mac and cheese of.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
About you?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh oh yeah, man, I think the statute has passed
so I can share this I had a pretty good
friend for five years who thought my name was Chris
when we met, and I just never corrected him. So
I don't know if there's a prank or conspiracy. I
was biding my time, and eventually things came to a head.
(11:31):
I don't know how he didn't learn my real name
or the name I used in the States for five years,
but eventually there was this pivotal moment where we got
into you know, not really an argument, but one of
those the bs back and forth kind of things you
have with your buddies. We're arguing about something trivial, and
then I dropped that nuclear bomb Tennessee. I said, no,
(11:55):
you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about, and
he's like, what do you mean. I said, my real
name is not even Chris, and then I stood up
and walked away.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And the camera zoomed in. At the same time, everything
got wide but got real close up on his face. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, So we'd love to hear your favorite pranks that
you have pulled, as long as they are wholesome and
not hurtful folks, So please hit us up conspiracy at
iHeartRadio dot com. We're going to go to another story
now that is a little bit more serious. We've talked
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in the past about continuing obsession of ours. A place
called North Sentinel Island. North Sentinel Island is home to
one of the most fascinating communities on the planet. There's
still very much in what we would loosely describe as
the Stone Age. Now, this population has been infrequently contacted
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over the years by the outside world, almost always with
disaster results, both for the local population that was kidnapped.
They got riddled with disease by being exposed to British
colonial powers, but also a lot of danger to anthropologists
and to missionaries who attempted, for one reason or another,
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to be the first person who would achieve peaceful, maintained
contact with the North Sentinel ease. About a year ago,
another guy tried this, even though literally every government on
the planet agrees that we should leave North Sentinel Island alone.
(13:38):
There is a YouTuber you have to meet named mikhailio
Viktrovich Polyakov, twenty four years old. He was traveling. He
got famous on YouTube for traveling through Afghanistan and filming
the whole thing. Now he is facing possible jail time
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in India because he illegally attempted to contact the people
of North Sentinel Island despite this universal ban. Bulakoff is
an extreme travel content creator. He describes himself as a
neo Orientalist. He was arrested in Port Blair, which is
(14:21):
the capital of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands that's pretty
close to North Sentinel Island. Local fishermen spotted him and
snitched on him because as far as the Indian government
is concerned, this is a heavily prohibited tribal reserve. But
get this, dude, the reason he was trying to reach
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out to them was obviously first for attention on his
YouTube channel, but he was trying to introduce this population
to diet coke.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I've been going on a face journey while you've been
reading this. So many expressions of disdain.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, so weird because police said he did make
it to the shore of North Sentinel Island, despite the
fact that there's a three mile radius ray of non
entry around the island, and he made it to the
beach for about an hour. Is very lucky that he
wasn't killed. I think so many other people have been.
(15:26):
But he was walking around, you know, filming himself. He
tried to use a whistle to get the population to
come visit him. So he's blowing a whistle. Nobody appeared
in enough time for him, So he took a coconut
and a kaut of diet coke and left them on
the shore as offerings. We don't know what's going to
(15:48):
happen to the cocaut. We don't know what's going to
happen to the kid of diet coke, because the Indian
government is not going to send somebody to get it.
So that is peak strange news right now. Someone in
North Sentinel Island is probably still very befuddled about the
strange cylinder they found. I mean, they can shake it right,
(16:11):
and they can hear soda or they can hear a
liquid inside it, but would they know how to open it?
Would they try to drink it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I like the idea that they do open it and
they take a sip and they go.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, So say we all, man, Yeah, not a diet
coke guy.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I take it, more of a coke zero guy. But
he just sounds less like an extreme travel creator and
more like an extreme troll.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, of all the things you could do right, or
all the artifacts you could leave for the North Sentinel easee.
Why not something like a world map? You know, if
you want to be dangerous, why not be Promethean and
leave like a fireplace lighter or something. Yeah, what would
you leave if you had to leave something?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Something that wouldn't mess up their entire worldview? Honestly, I
don't think number one, i'd find myself there in the
first place. But number two, I wouldn't want to, you know,
play a dirty trick on them, honestly, So I'm not sure.
Maybe just like a nice rock I found or something
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, something that's not absolutely disastrous to their worldview. As
you said, I'll have to think about that too. Folks,
write in and let us know what if you had
to leave something on the shore for the people of
North Sentinel Island, what would you leave? Tell us anything
(17:41):
under the sun, except for a diet coke. That's the
only thing in this hypothetical situation. That's the only thing
you cannot leave with them. But we will leave you
for a brief word from our sponsors. And when we
get back, we're diving further into strange news and we
(18:07):
have returned shout out to everybody who's been protesting data centers.
Have you been catching up on this news here in
the United States or in our home state of Georgia, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, I've been getting a lot of text messages. I've
got a text from someone in Takab County, which is
where I live in Georgia, about coming to a like
a community meeting about data centers. So, yeah, I know
it's a hot button issue across the country, and I'm
guessing across the world.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, So, data centers have existed for a long time, right,
And a data center is essentially a facility that houses
computer systems and storage systems and telecommunications. Think of it
like a server farm that would be a kind of
a data center. They can be very very small. They
can be a small room, or they can be huge.
(19:01):
They can be a warehouse, an entire compound. With the
rollout of the Great Internet Cloud and the boom for
better or worse in AI technology or whatever we want
to call it, data centers have re entered the fray
of public debate. We know that here in Georgia there's
(19:24):
a big issue, like you're pointing out, Dylan, with the
public rejecting data centers for the way that they drive
electricity prices up, their water consumption and so on. And
we know that not just in Georgia, but in states
across the country, the public is increasingly beefed up with
(19:45):
political officials who are ignoring their constituents and hell or
high water building data centers because there's a huge economic
factor at play. Like just a few weeks ago, out
of the Wyoming News we learned that their governor, Governor Gordon,
has just resorted to holding meetings about data center construction
(20:11):
behind the scenes, closed doors, smoky backroom meetings with tech companies,
even though Wyoming is in the middle of a terrible drought,
and even though the public of Wyoming is very much
against this. Here's where we get to the somewhat good news.
(20:31):
The humble state of Maine. Shout out to our good
friend Andrew Howard, our brother in dungeons and Dragons. The
humble state of Maine is going to become the first
state to ban the construction of new data centers. This
legislation hasn't gone through yet, it could be enacted this spring.
The idea is to pause construction of these large centers
(20:55):
until at least November twenty twenty seven, So it's not
a forever ban. They're saying, Hey, let's pause. I know
we're all excited, but let's think about the implications and
the consequences. The state has to assess the impact of
these developments on their environment and their electricity grid. So
this freeze applies to data center projects of at least
(21:19):
twenty megawatts. Twenty megawatts, for reference, folks, is enough energy
to power more than fifteen thousand homes. Wow, I mean,
seems like a good idea, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Do you think that this will end up on a
lot of ballots across other states?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, we're wondering that, right, That's an excellent question.
I'd say that's the key question here because the public
is increasingly turning against these these buildouts again because they
are driving up electricity cost in such an egregious and
measurable way. But at the same time they're driving up
(21:59):
those calls, they're generating a lot of tax money from
local governments, right, and then the local governments start wanting
to have more data centers built, so they go to
developers and they start saying, hey, we'll give you tax breaks, right,
So the money is moving in their circle. And consumers
are left holding the bag. There are ten other states
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to your question, Dylan, that are advancing similar policies, and
they're all concerned about straining local power sources. This is
going to be a huge issue in this year's upcoming
midterm elections. We still hope they occur in main There
is a US Senate seat up for grabs in the election,
(22:44):
and states are not just the only people watching this.
Trade organizations are watching this as well, as you know,
the big guys, the business tycoons, the monopoly men of
twenty twenty six, one of whom is anir Binbasue economists
for a place called the Associated Builders and Contractors. That's
(23:04):
a construction trade group, and they include people who work
on data centers. Basu's comment is really interesting. Speaking to
Wall Street Journal, he said, quote, I think Maine is
the canary in the coal mine. Maine will be the
first of many states to have such moratoria. So other
places that are considering banning data centers are new data
(23:28):
center construction are New York, South Carolina, Oklahoma. Ohio is
also seeing a lot of grassroots movement, like peoplet collecting
signatures and creating petitions to try to get a data
center ban on the November ballot. A lot of other
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smaller places have already made their own bans or pauses,
like smaller communities in Michigan or Indiana. Big cities are
considering this as well, like Denver and but not Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Baby Well, you know, last year, speaking of like energy costs,
there was on our ballot two seats for the Georgia
Public Service Commission got flipped because of rising electricity costs,
among other issues. So it does feel like it's going
to be a big thing this year and probably for
years to come. And I did get I usually don't
(24:23):
open the links in survey text messages I get, but
I did get one a few months ago about data centers,
and it felt pretty skewed towards pro data center. And
one of the things that said is, what if we
told you that a data center doesn't use much more
energy than your typical office building. And it's like, well,
you could tell me that, but you're not. There's no links,
there's no sources. You're just telling me that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
What if I told you?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I love to getting a sentence that way.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's very trustworthy. I mean, other than the matrix I
don't really trust that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's like that old joke you and I used to have.
I don't remember if we ever mentioned it on air
where we were figuring out addendums. Two sentences that can
make them sound off pudding, like folks say, if you
want to weird someone out, take something innocuous you were
about to say, and preface it with not to be creepy,
(25:14):
but no matter what, like, hey, not to be creepy,
but it's two pm.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah. It just immediately puts you off guard to start
a sentence with something like that, even if it's the
most innocuous thing, like you said.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, not to be creepy, but it's nice to meet you.
I mean, come on, I got goosebumps on that.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah. It's some real like Cannibal Electra stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
There it is. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a good signal
for us to take a quick kiyanti break. Uh, and
then we're going to be back with some fava beans
and some what do you think some spy news sounds good?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Clarice, I love some spy news.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And we're back with spy news. Just like heist, spy
news is something we go back to so often that
eventually we might have to get a sound cue once
the CIA approves it. Two things that you need to know,
fellow conspiracy realists. There is a device that has been
discovered near Bali and Lombok out in Indonesia. It has
(26:24):
been identified as a Chinese underwater monitoring system. It is
a torpedo shaped device that was found last week by fishermen.
This is in the Lombuk Strait, which is a very
important shipping sea lane linking Australia to the South China Sea.
We don't know exactly what China is looking for there.
(26:47):
We do know that China is aggressively attempting to expand
their territorial claims in the Pacific theater, and it has
a lot of other countries in the area. Worrieda's reaction
was classic. They said, first off, why are you guys
asking so many questions? Don't worry about this. There is
(27:09):
quote no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion end quote.
Which is the most suspicious thing you could say. That's
like saying not to be creepy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, exactly, talking about an off putting sentence, right.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, maybe we should put that in our list.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Now we can say there is no need for excessive
interpretation or suspicion, but it is one thirty five pm.
Let's break the guys. When we get our co hosts back,
Let's see if we can pull off that prank.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
There is no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion. But
I did just hit the record button.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yes, perfect. We know that this is occurring in step
with some pretty serious geo political conspiratorial headwinds right now.
The Indonesian Navy says, well, first off, they refuse to
return the device whatever it is, this weird science torpedo.
(28:13):
And secondly they said they're carrying out an in depth
examination to identify the device, its origin, its purpose. It's
stored data and if you look at where they found it,
it seems like it's measuring temperature, depth, current or current passage,
(28:33):
and sound and target information. Other countries have stuff like this,
the United States, clearly, Japan, India, obviously Russia. But for
this sensory buoy to be discovered here, the reason it's
a big deal is that it's again it's in a
very important trade route and it also is in sovereign water.
(28:55):
So it's kind of like if the US found a
Russian monitoring device off the co to Miami. You know
what else are they doing in there? And yeah, why
did you tell us? Don't be suspicious? Also give it back?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, I agree with not giving it back.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yes, yeah, I think we can agree with the Indonesian
Navy on that one. They didn't ask us, but we
are on the same page. And the bigger implication here
is that these things usually are not going to be
deployed in a one off fashion. So this suggests that
China may have a network of multiple sensors building out
(29:35):
a net with real time information on underwater conditions that
will later aid their submarine operations. And they've been quite
ambitious with slipping submarines around the world. They are preparing
for conflict in the future. It's just inescapable at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It's crazy times, and it only gets.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Crazier times, and it only gets crazier. Quote, based on
international practice, it is not unusual to be loved by anyone.
Now they said, it is not unusual for marine research
equipment to drift into territorial waters of other countries due
to malfunctions or other reasons. So basically they're saying, ah,
(30:20):
we didn't mean to throw the frisbee in your yard. Also,
stop looking in your backyard until we say you can.
Nobody go back to Nobody go out to the backyard,
return our frisbee, and don't look at all the stuff
we have audit. So be careful out there, folks. We
would love to especially if you work in if you
work in the Navy, or if you work in marine industries,
(30:44):
We would love to hear what you think is going
on with the submarine arms race. We do have one
more spy story. The FEDS have discovered a widespread Russia
backed espionage network that has compromised eight nineteen thousand devices.
We're going to cyberscoop with the journalist Matt CapCo Kapko.
(31:07):
Matt has introduced us to something called Forest Blizzard. They
are a hacking group that is not officially tied to
Russian intelligence agencies, but is definitely part of it. They
were hijacking network traffic to steal credentials and tokens for
(31:27):
Microsoft accounts and other kind of cloud services. So they
compromised more than eighteen thousand routers spread across more than
one hundred and twenty countries, getting access to sensitive networks
for a large scale espionage campaign they were building up
to break part of the digital world. Forest Blizzard is
(31:50):
also known as APT twenty eight or Fancy Bear, which
I think is our personal favorite name. They were stealing
credentials for these routers, and they were hijacking domain name
system settings. They were redirecting traffic. Their network intruded the
systems of more than two hundred organizations. They impacted at
(32:13):
least five thousand consumer devices. That's coming to us from
Microsoft Threat Intelligence. And we know that we don't know
exactly what they were planning because they didn't get to
that part of their villain story. This was them setting
up the conditions right to make the attack until they
(32:33):
got taken down by Uncle Sam. The FBI led the
charge to an operation with a very cool name, Operation Mascarade.
I almost want to say it has Mascarade. They worked
with the National Security Divisions, National Security Cyberseection, Microsoft Threat Intelligence,
(32:55):
they worked with Luman's Black Lotus Labs, another cool name,
and they shut this thing down before these guys were
able to do whatever it is they wanted to do.
But just like finding a single sensory buoy out in
territorial waters near China, finding this one network means that
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there are probably more. There are probably redundancies in this,
so if we caught one, we're still playing whack a mole.
We don't know what other stuff is going to pop up.
We know that they were going throughout North Africa, Central America,
Southeast Asia, obviously the United States. They did get access
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to government resources in some countries. There's a European country
that has not been identified. Their national identity platform think
of it like your social security website here in the
US was also impacted and compromised. We don't know exactly
(34:03):
what they're going to do with this because they got
some stuff already before they got popped.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, and it looks like i'd never heard I've heard
the term phishing before, but I've never heard the term
spear phishing, which is one of the techniques that they used.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, break it down for US man.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It uses personalized messaging. So you get an email that
looks like it's from Bank of America. It says that
you need to log in because you have four transactions
that are suspicious, and you click the link and then
they get your information once you try and log in.
So you know, I'm sure most of our listeners are
very tech savvy, but maybe just log directly into the
(34:40):
service instead of clicking the email link if it looks
weird to you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah agreed, well, said Dylan. As a matter of fact,
I guess I'll mention this on air. Also, I was
fascinated by your bravery to click on a survey link
in a text message.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I know I checked the ORL thorough beforehand. That still,
it wasn't maybe my brightest moment, but it just turned
out to be some people trying to sell me on
data centers.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I hear you, man. I also in full confession, in
the spirit of transparency, even if the boys send me
a link in our group chat, I usually am not
going to click it.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's fair. I mean, I'd hate to be tricked by
cyber nool or Mecha Matt. The imposter podcast avatars are
always trying to still the information.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah agreed. We also want to again, we always like
to start and end our weekly strange news segment on
positive notes. So we do have something that's pretty exciting
to us. We hope it's exciting to you too. This
goes out to all our fellow conspiracy realist in Mexico.
(35:52):
This is breaking news. Just a few days ago, the
President of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, announced that Mexico's one hundred
and twenty million citizens will have free universal healthcare starting
next year. Just a tremendous shift from the way things
(36:14):
were in the past. This is a landmark policy. It's
if it all works out, it's going to unify a fragmented,
unequal system that has left a lot of people just
out in the cold at different hospitals and clinics because
they were like privatized healthcare in the US, they could
only go to what their insurance provider agreed to. In theory, again,
(36:39):
Mexico's sprawling network of public health institutions will provide most
people with coverage, but in practice, if you are a
poorer person, if you are in a rural community, you
often can't get treatment or the medicines you need without
paying out the wazoo. So there's a two tier system
of healthcare in Mexico right now, based on income. But
(37:02):
beginning on April thirteenth, just a few days before we
record today, if you are eighty five or older, you
can register for the IDE you'll need to access care,
and then from January of next year, twenty twenty seven,
healthcare institutions will start bridging gaps in access to medicine
(37:24):
and treatment. And this is this is a hot button
issue here because not everybody loves the current president of Mexico.
She's very left wing, right, she ascribes to socialism, and
since she came to power in twenty twenty four, a
lot of her administrative actions have been focused on undoing
(37:46):
neoliberal policies. She's done things like pledging to build one
point eight million new homes to tackle a housing shortage.
She's looking for better tenant rights. She's also doing and
this is something that Dylan, you and I can agree with.
She also plans to shorten the work week.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, I saw that from forty eight hours to forty
I didn't know that that was the Mexico work week.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Forty eight hours, forty eight hours, Yes, that'd be six
days a week, right, Yeah, And this occurs in step
with increasing the minimum wage by thirteen percent, which would
probably never happen in the United States. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And also I think will be the last country to
get universal health care now.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So yeah, yeah, I believe that is the case. You know,
in minimum wage to be fair is very sticky, wicked.
It's a bag of badgers, because if you increase the
minimum wage, a lot of people argue it'll cause inflation,
and that means there will no longer be investment, especially
(38:49):
for an investment in your country. But these folks are saying,
forget about it, you know, never mind the bollocks. We're
going to sex pistols, all right, that's acted all sex
pistols reference. They're going to make sure that the government
can take care of its most vulnerable people, which I
(39:10):
think is politics aside a pretty commendable thing. And I
hate to agree with you that there likely won't be
the first world healthcare in the United States until it
is seen as a matter of national security, because remember,
as we were talking about in previous episodes, that's the
(39:31):
only reason the US has an interstate highway system. It's
not because it was more efficient. It's not because people said, hey,
this will help small communities or it'll help class mobility
or anything like that. They said, if there's a war
in the Pacific, we need to be able to move
people across the country.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I forgot about that, But it was like you
could get tanks across the country and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right, Yeah, it's one hundred percent true. One thing that
is not as true it's still worth mentioning, is that
there's a long standing bit of obscure folklore about the
highway system which argues it was constructed the way it's
constructed and goes the places it can go because they
(40:15):
were secretly building emergency runways for planes in the case
of a war. I mean, it's technically possible, I guess,
but the interstates that we see are usually pretty crowded.
I don't know how you.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Atlanta can't land in midtown Atlanta, No, no matter what
time of day or night.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right right, kadive drive at Midtown Atlanta. You know, part
of me is still parked there trying to make a
left on tech.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Part of me will always be there.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we also want you to know,
folks that we are still bird dogging the developing story
of missing or dead scientists, including folks like General mclasland.
We broke that story in a preation of our Strange
News segment. We also know that there have been further
(41:07):
deaths or disappearances that, depending on the way you perceive it,
are linked to the mccaslan disappearance. Just yesterday, on Thursday,
April sixteenth, the White House Administration declared that they are
officially investigating these deaths and disappearances. Let's go to newsweek
(41:31):
dot com courtesy of our journalist Joe Edwards, the White
House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has indicated that the Trump
administration may investigate the string of mysterious deaths and disappearances
of US experts with ties to advanced research because of
the careers these disappearing or deceased people have. There's a
(41:54):
lot of scuttle but that has not been confirmed, linking
them to a possible coordinated effort to silence them. And
I can't wait for us to do an episode on
this one, but for now, we wanted to let you
know that Levitt's remarks show the allegations are getting attention
(42:15):
from the top levels of the American government. Authorities still
haven't made any concrete connection among the cases, so it's
still a lot of people who are kind of independently
investigating on their own and drawing their own red strings.
But multiple lawmakers have been calling for closer scrutiny of
(42:36):
the disappearances for some time now. And on Wednesday, we'll
summ it up this way. On Wednesday, a reporter told Levitt, quote,
there are now ten American scientists who have either gone
missing or died since mid twenty twenty four. They all
reportedly had access to classified nuclear or aerospace material. Is
(42:58):
anybody investigating this to see if these things are connected?
To which the press secretary responded, I have not spoken
to our relevant agencies about it. I will certainly do
that and we will get you an answer if true.
Of course, that's definitely something I think this government and
administration would deem worth looking into. So let me do
that for you. So gotta say, it's the concept of
(43:22):
a plan. It's saying, hey, we're going to look into it.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
It's a very long may be.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Just so you know what it is. Man. It's like
it's like when you and I replied to an email
at four forty five on a Wednesday and we say, oh, yeah, great,
thanks for the heads up. We'll look into it. I'll
be right on that. Rose was that don't tell mom
the babysitter's dad. Yeah. We also know that the current
US president, Donald J. Trump has made public statements about
(43:54):
the situation and is aware of it. He said, quote,
this is pretty serious stuff. I hope it's random. We're
going to know in the next week and a half.
So again the pattern of you know, a week and
a half or two weeks.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Don't know why he chose week and a half, but
I will say that our listeners are super sharp. And
then we got a voicemail about this like two or
three weeks ago. It seemed like one of our listeners
was ahead of the curve on it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh yeah, I think right now a lot of Again
I wouldn't even say the public, but I would say
our fellow listeners and independent investigators, people doing their own research.
I think where some of us are already far past,
like where the official narrative is, especially when we were
breaking the story of Monica Reza, who went missing on
(44:42):
the morning of June twenty second, twenty twenty five, in
the Angelees National Forest. Her disappearance is fascinating because she
is the co creator of a super alloy that was
funded by an Air Force lab that was headed up
by the currently missing retired Air Force General William McCasland.
(45:02):
Her patented super alloy is called MONDOLOI, and this brought
her into mccaslin's orbit. He oversaw the group that funded
research in the early two thousands into advanced materials that
are needed for reusable space vehicles and weapons. So as
we get into as we get into an actual episode
(45:23):
on this, we're going to see why other countries, rival
countries were very concerned with this research or the invention
in the applications of this alloy, especially because if you
scale up production, you could find new processing methods and
you could use this material in rocket engines. And these
(45:46):
people have been working on this for years and years,
but it escaped public notice right outside of the world
of chemistry and space nerds, but it did not escape
the notice of countries like China and Ussia who very
much want to have the newest toy on the market,
or very much don't want the United States to have it.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah. Yeah, especially given global tensions and also this new
space race that we seem to be entering.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh yeah, I'm kind of excited about it, honestly, because
it's going to spur so much innovation. We'll make astronauts
cool again.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I got my NASA mug I've had since I was
eight right here.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Nice. Yeah, did you ever I think I asked you,
did you ever go to space camp?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I did, Yeah, I went to middle school. It was awesome.
I did not do the g force, you know, the
thing where they spin you around three sixty. Did not
do that, but I did most of the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Nice. Yeah, man. I think I mentioned in a previous conversation,
either an episode or one of our segments, that we
were able to verify that there is an adult space
camp and we might get our pal noll Over over
to that so he doesn't feel left out in the cold.
But it's kind of expensive. I'm looking back on it,
(47:03):
and we had pretty good parents. Man.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
How could we get work to pay for us to
all go to space camp and make quote unquote content
out of it? That's what I wonder I would love.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's our question. Yeah, let's do it. Let's write to
NASA too, maybe they could sponsor us. That would be
amazing and we should absolutely give it the old college try. Folks,
if you have any way to help us get to
adult space Camp, or you have any advice for us,
please let us know. We cannot wait to hear from you.
(47:35):
Thank you, as always so much for tuning in to
our strange news segment. A big, big thank you, especially
to none other than Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan for
humoring me and playing co host. Man, I can't believe
we got to do strange news daily again.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
That's an honor to be on the Eric. Thanks Ben
and Dylan.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Just for a quick spoiler, when we come back later
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expect some root vegetables? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I got one cooking.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, so we're going to be cooking some root of
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Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes
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segment the Evening, it publishes Welcome to April twentieth and Dylan.
I was trying to figure out the most diplomatic way
to say this, but maybe we leave it with a
happy April twentieth to all who celebrate.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, it's very diplomatic and pg.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
PG Yes, a little bit of parental guidance there. Now,
as we're getting into this sort of for our cold open, Dylan,
you and I would like to share a little bit
of history behind the scenes about how stuff they don't
want you to know began a Strange News segment years ago.
(01:37):
At this point, longtime listeners, you may not be aware
that many moons passed. Dylan and I work together on
a different show called Strange News Daily. This was a
double dragon type thing, a dynamic duo type thing for
both of us. Every day for quite some time, we
(02:00):
would put out a pretty small focused podcast on three
news stories that we thought were weird. And man, I
can't thank you enough for hatching that idea with me.
And it is so bizarre to me looking back in
our older ages. It is so bizarre that we managed
(02:22):
to put out an episode of Strange News Daily every
single day, Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, that was six years ago at this point. It
was the summer of the pandemic. It was twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh wow, yeah, geez.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I really look forward to it because it was
the semblance of regularity for me during that time. And yeah,
the episodes were only about twelve minutes long, but still
towing five of those a week. That's you know, that's
a lot of content. But I you know, it makes
sense that it came over here. I was a little
bummed when it got folded in, but I was also
(02:57):
like that makes so much sense for stuff they don't
want you know. And I guess it's just kiss meant
that we're back here and I've been producing the show
for almost two years now, so.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, the boys are back in town, my friend and
Strange News Daily rides again, but as the weekly Strange
News segment on stuff they don't want you to know?
And man, I was thinking, do you remember there was
one episode of Strange News Daily where we were on
the hook for recording and I just had dental surgery,
(03:29):
so I sound like the weirdest character actor in podcast history.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I do remember that I forgot about that. That's the
peak behind the curtain for sure. Yeah we had, because
I don't know if we mentioned that on air.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
We didn't. And so thank you to everybody who reached
out to us asking if we were okay. We are
going to take a quick pause for a word from
our sponsors, and then Tennessee and I are are going
to dive right in to some very strange news. We
(04:09):
have returned. Happy Mau Mau to everybody who likes cats, Dylan,
where are you at on cats?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I'm deeply allergic to cats, but I love them so
anytime I'm asked to cats that I will do so,
but I will not pet them much and wash my
hands regularly.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah. Yeah, it's the sacrifices we make. Actually, my veterinarian
revealed to me a little while ago that he is
also deeply allergic to cats. Because yeah, because as we know,
our good friend of the show, doctor Venkman, has passed away.
(04:48):
And I swear I thought our veterinarian was weeping and
it was an awkward, like Larry David esque moment where
he had to say yes, no, I understand these are
always very sad situations, but mainly I'm really allergic to cats,
and that's why.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Maybe it was a little bit of both. He was
a true legend.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yep, yeah, I agree with you there. On a positive note,
we always like to start and ends with a positive
thing on a weekly Strange News segment. So we're going
to go to ABC News a story that comes to
us from just a few days ago. As we record
on April seventeenth, Clara McMichael, writing for ABC News, has
(05:34):
shared this story. On April fifteenth, pilots have been scolded
after people were hearing animal noises on air. Traffic control
radio frequencies. Literally, mau mau so Dylan, when's the last
time you were on a plane.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I think I was on a plane a couple of
months ago. I did not hear any cat noises.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Though, right, right, because usually cats cats can be on planes, right,
but they usually are not in charge of the comms.
And we looked into this a little bit, and for
better or worse. Right now, we have no documented cases
of a feline actually piloting a plane. But these guys
(06:20):
got in trouble because on April twelfth, at the Ronald
Reagan Washington National Airport, the pilots started franking. They were
horsing around, and they were instead of doing the regular
pilot stuff like Hey, this is our position, this is
(06:41):
our wind speed, we're requesting land, et cetera, they were
talking to air traffic control in cat noises. So people
would say, hey, you know, are you going to land
your jet blah blah blah blah blah, and the pilots,
instead of saying yes and giving coordinates and so on,
(07:01):
they would just reply, for some reason, in loud meows.
This is a prank that the people on the plane,
the passengers were not aware of being an air traffic
controller has always been a very stressful job. They do
not suffer fools well. And so the pilot's got in
a lot of trouble and people were jumping in on
(07:22):
the shared frequency and saying, come on, guys, you need
to be professional pilots. And what did the pilots do
when they were scolded? They started meowing more, They doubled down.
There was one guy in the cockpit who said, I'm
gonna throw in some barks as well. This is something
(07:44):
that's funny to us, but could have been a disaster
if the joke went wrong. The Federal Aviation Administration replied.
They said in an official statement that hey, pilots are
prevented from quote engaging in non essential conversations whenever they're
(08:04):
below ten thousand feet altitude, and that the agency further
investigates all situations where pilots may have violated those rules.
So anytime you were on a plane and you're starting
to land and you hear your pilot getting a little
too stand up comedy with stuff, you know what I mean?
(08:27):
They are actually breaking FAA laws. That's bizarre, right, And
it's also bizarre that this appears to be a running
prank in the skies amid pilots. They're trolling air traffic control.
Dennis Tazier Tajer, who is a pilot and spokesperson for
(08:50):
Allied Pilots Association and the folks who represent American Airlines,
amongst others, He says that he was like, guys, we've
heard people making these cat noises for some reason before.
It is a running thing, and it happens on what
we call the guard frequency, which is supposedly used for
(09:13):
emergencies only. So they had to be fun police out there.
And he has a message Tajev for the meowing pilots.
He says, quote, for the few individuals out there that
do this, stop, join us, stay safe, and we'll keep
that frequency sacred and protected. I'm a fan of hijinks.
(09:37):
I think it's kind of cool. I understand that they
have to be fun police occasionally, but what's wrong with
a little bit of pranks?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
You should be able to make a little bit of
cat noise at.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Work as long as everything else is protocol.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I do feel bad for people in the control towers.
They've been through a ton this year in last year too,
fall but yeah, it's like when does a When does
a harmless prank become harmful? I guess it's one of
those things where it's like you always see it in movies.
Everything has to be very buttoned up about the communication
on those lines, but at the same time made me
(10:17):
laugh so.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Refflicted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, before we move on, what's
the most epic prank you've ever pulled that you're comfortable
sharing on air?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Epic prank that I've pulled? Oh my gosh, I don't know.
Back in the day, my friend and I used to
make fake Facebook profiles before there was a lot of
you know, stuff around having to identify and verify yourself
on Facebook, where we'd just make a friend of ours,
but we'd put the real in front of their name,
so it would be like the real Dylan Fagan and
(10:50):
then like funny photoshops or like when they would post
status updates, we'd post the opposite of their status update,
kind of a bizarro world.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh okay, where someone would say that I made the
best mac and cheese my life, they would say I
made the worst mac and cheese of.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
About you?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh oh yeah, man, I think the statute has passed
so I can share this I had a pretty good
friend for five years who thought my name was Chris
when we met, and I just never corrected him. So
I don't know if there's a prank or conspiracy. I
was biding my time, and eventually things came to a head.
(11:31):
I don't know how he didn't learn my real name
or the name I used in the States for five years,
but eventually there was this pivotal moment where we got
into you know, not really an argument, but one of
those the bs back and forth kind of things you
have with your buddies. We're arguing about something trivial, and
then I dropped that nuclear bomb Tennessee. I said, no,
(11:55):
you're wrong, you don't know what you're talking about, and
he's like, what do you mean. I said, my real
name is not even Chris, and then I stood up
and walked away.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
And the camera zoomed in. At the same time, everything
got wide but got real close up on his face. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, So we'd love to hear your favorite pranks that
you have pulled, as long as they are wholesome and
not hurtful folks, So please hit us up conspiracy at
iHeartRadio dot com. We're going to go to another story
now that is a little bit more serious. We've talked
(12:30):
in the past about continuing obsession of ours. A place
called North Sentinel Island. North Sentinel Island is home to
one of the most fascinating communities on the planet. There's
still very much in what we would loosely describe as
the Stone Age. Now, this population has been infrequently contacted
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over the years by the outside world, almost always with
disaster results, both for the local population that was kidnapped.
They got riddled with disease by being exposed to British
colonial powers, but also a lot of danger to anthropologists
and to missionaries who attempted, for one reason or another,
(13:17):
to be the first person who would achieve peaceful, maintained
contact with the North Sentinel ease. About a year ago,
another guy tried this, even though literally every government on
the planet agrees that we should leave North Sentinel Island alone.
(13:38):
There is a YouTuber you have to meet named mikhailio
Viktrovich Polyakov, twenty four years old. He was traveling. He
got famous on YouTube for traveling through Afghanistan and filming
the whole thing. Now he is facing possible jail time
(14:00):
in India because he illegally attempted to contact the people
of North Sentinel Island despite this universal ban. Bulakoff is
an extreme travel content creator. He describes himself as a
neo Orientalist. He was arrested in Port Blair, which is
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the capital of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands that's pretty
close to North Sentinel Island. Local fishermen spotted him and
snitched on him because as far as the Indian government
is concerned, this is a heavily prohibited tribal reserve. But
get this, dude, the reason he was trying to reach
(14:44):
out to them was obviously first for attention on his
YouTube channel, but he was trying to introduce this population
to diet coke.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I've been going on a face journey while you've been
reading this. So many expressions of disdain.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, so weird because police said he did make
it to the shore of North Sentinel Island, despite the
fact that there's a three mile radius ray of non
entry around the island, and he made it to the
beach for about an hour. Is very lucky that he
wasn't killed. I think so many other people have been.
(15:26):
But he was walking around, you know, filming himself. He
tried to use a whistle to get the population to
come visit him. So he's blowing a whistle. Nobody appeared
in enough time for him, So he took a coconut
and a kaut of diet coke and left them on
the shore as offerings. We don't know what's going to
(15:48):
happen to the cocaut. We don't know what's going to
happen to the kid of diet coke, because the Indian
government is not going to send somebody to get it.
So that is peak strange news right now. Someone in
North Sentinel Island is probably still very befuddled about the
strange cylinder they found. I mean, they can shake it right,
(16:11):
and they can hear soda or they can hear a
liquid inside it, but would they know how to open it?
Would they try to drink it?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I like the idea that they do open it and
they take a sip and they go.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, So say we all, man, Yeah, not a diet
coke guy.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I take it, more of a coke zero guy. But
he just sounds less like an extreme travel creator and
more like an extreme troll.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, of all the things you could do right, or
all the artifacts you could leave for the North Sentinel easee.
Why not something like a world map? You know, if
you want to be dangerous, why not be Promethean and
leave like a fireplace lighter or something. Yeah, what would
you leave if you had to leave something?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Something that wouldn't mess up their entire worldview? Honestly, I
don't think number one, i'd find myself there in the
first place. But number two, I wouldn't want to, you know,
play a dirty trick on them, honestly, So I'm not sure.
Maybe just like a nice rock I found or something
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, something that's not absolutely disastrous to their worldview. As
you said, I'll have to think about that too. Folks,
write in and let us know what if you had
to leave something on the shore for the people of
North Sentinel Island, what would you leave? Tell us anything
(17:41):
under the sun, except for a diet coke. That's the
only thing in this hypothetical situation. That's the only thing
you cannot leave with them. But we will leave you
for a brief word from our sponsors. And when we
get back, we're diving further into strange news and we
(18:07):
have returned shout out to everybody who's been protesting data centers.
Have you been catching up on this news here in
the United States or in our home state of Georgia, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, I've been getting a lot of text messages. I've
got a text from someone in Takab County, which is
where I live in Georgia, about coming to a like
a community meeting about data centers. So, yeah, I know
it's a hot button issue across the country, and I'm
guessing across the world.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, So, data centers have existed for a long time, right,
And a data center is essentially a facility that houses
computer systems and storage systems and telecommunications. Think of it
like a server farm that would be a kind of
a data center. They can be very very small. They
can be a small room, or they can be huge.
(19:01):
They can be a warehouse, an entire compound. With the
rollout of the Great Internet Cloud and the boom for
better or worse in AI technology or whatever we want
to call it, data centers have re entered the fray
of public debate. We know that here in Georgia there's
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a big issue, like you're pointing out, Dylan, with the
public rejecting data centers for the way that they drive
electricity prices up, their water consumption and so on. And
we know that not just in Georgia, but in states
across the country, the public is increasingly beefed up with
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political officials who are ignoring their constituents and hell or
high water building data centers because there's a huge economic
factor at play. Like just a few weeks ago, out
of the Wyoming News we learned that their governor, Governor Gordon,
has just resorted to holding meetings about data center construction
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behind the scenes, closed doors, smoky backroom meetings with tech companies,
even though Wyoming is in the middle of a terrible drought,
and even though the public of Wyoming is very much
against this. Here's where we get to the somewhat good news.
(20:31):
The humble state of Maine. Shout out to our good
friend Andrew Howard, our brother in dungeons and Dragons. The
humble state of Maine is going to become the first
state to ban the construction of new data centers. This
legislation hasn't gone through yet, it could be enacted this spring.
The idea is to pause construction of these large centers
(20:55):
until at least November twenty twenty seven, So it's not
a forever ban. They're saying, Hey, let's pause. I know
we're all excited, but let's think about the implications and
the consequences. The state has to assess the impact of
these developments on their environment and their electricity grid. So
this freeze applies to data center projects of at least
(21:19):
twenty megawatts. Twenty megawatts, for reference, folks, is enough energy
to power more than fifteen thousand homes. Wow, I mean,
seems like a good idea, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Do you think that this will end up on a
lot of ballots across other states?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, we're wondering that, right, That's an excellent question.
I'd say that's the key question here because the public
is increasingly turning against these these buildouts again because they
are driving up electricity cost in such an egregious and
measurable way. But at the same time they're driving up
(21:59):
those calls, they're generating a lot of tax money from
local governments, right, and then the local governments start wanting
to have more data centers built, so they go to
developers and they start saying, hey, we'll give you tax breaks, right,
So the money is moving in their circle. And consumers
are left holding the bag. There are ten other states
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to your question, Dylan, that are advancing similar policies, and
they're all concerned about straining local power sources. This is
going to be a huge issue in this year's upcoming
midterm elections. We still hope they occur in main There
is a US Senate seat up for grabs in the election,
(22:44):
and states are not just the only people watching this.
Trade organizations are watching this as well, as you know,
the big guys, the business tycoons, the monopoly men of
twenty twenty six, one of whom is anir Binbasue economists
for a place called the Associated Builders and Contractors. That's
(23:04):
a construction trade group, and they include people who work
on data centers. Basu's comment is really interesting. Speaking to
Wall Street Journal, he said, quote, I think Maine is
the canary in the coal mine. Maine will be the
first of many states to have such moratoria. So other
places that are considering banning data centers are new data
(23:28):
center construction are New York, South Carolina, Oklahoma. Ohio is
also seeing a lot of grassroots movement, like peoplet collecting
signatures and creating petitions to try to get a data
center ban on the November ballot. A lot of other
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smaller places have already made their own bans or pauses,
like smaller communities in Michigan or Indiana. Big cities are
considering this as well, like Denver and but not Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Baby Well, you know, last year, speaking of like energy costs,
there was on our ballot two seats for the Georgia
Public Service Commission got flipped because of rising electricity costs,
among other issues. So it does feel like it's going
to be a big thing this year and probably for
years to come. And I did get I usually don't
(24:23):
open the links in survey text messages I get, but
I did get one a few months ago about data centers,
and it felt pretty skewed towards pro data center. And
one of the things that said is, what if we
told you that a data center doesn't use much more
energy than your typical office building. And it's like, well,
you could tell me that, but you're not. There's no links,
there's no sources. You're just telling me that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
What if I told you?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I love to getting a sentence that way.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
It's very trustworthy. I mean, other than the matrix I
don't really trust that.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's like that old joke you and I used to have.
I don't remember if we ever mentioned it on air
where we were figuring out addendums. Two sentences that can
make them sound off pudding, like folks say, if you
want to weird someone out, take something innocuous you were
about to say, and preface it with not to be creepy,
(25:14):
but no matter what, like, hey, not to be creepy,
but it's two pm.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah. It just immediately puts you off guard to start
a sentence with something like that, even if it's the
most innocuous thing, like you said.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, not to be creepy, but it's nice to meet you.
I mean, come on, I got goosebumps on that.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah. It's some real like Cannibal Electra stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
There it is. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a good signal
for us to take a quick kiyanti break. Uh, and
then we're going to be back with some fava beans
and some what do you think some spy news sounds good?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Clarice, I love some spy news.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
And we're back with spy news. Just like heist, spy
news is something we go back to so often that
eventually we might have to get a sound cue once
the CIA approves it. Two things that you need to know,
fellow conspiracy realists. There is a device that has been
discovered near Bali and Lombok out in Indonesia. It has
(26:24):
been identified as a Chinese underwater monitoring system. It is
a torpedo shaped device that was found last week by fishermen.
This is in the Lombuk Strait, which is a very
important shipping sea lane linking Australia to the South China Sea.
We don't know exactly what China is looking for there.
(26:47):
We do know that China is aggressively attempting to expand
their territorial claims in the Pacific theater, and it has
a lot of other countries in the area. Worrieda's reaction
was classic. They said, first off, why are you guys
asking so many questions? Don't worry about this. There is
(27:09):
quote no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion end quote.
Which is the most suspicious thing you could say. That's
like saying not to be creepy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, exactly, talking about an off putting sentence, right.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, maybe we should put that in our list.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Now we can say there is no need for excessive
interpretation or suspicion, but it is one thirty five pm.
Let's break the guys. When we get our co hosts back,
Let's see if we can pull off that prank.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
There is no need for excessive interpretation or suspicion. But
I did just hit the record button.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yes, perfect. We know that this is occurring in step
with some pretty serious geo political conspiratorial headwinds right now.
The Indonesian Navy says, well, first off, they refuse to
return the device whatever it is, this weird science torpedo.
(28:13):
And secondly they said they're carrying out an in depth
examination to identify the device, its origin, its purpose. It's
stored data and if you look at where they found it,
it seems like it's measuring temperature, depth, current or current passage,
(28:33):
and sound and target information. Other countries have stuff like this,
the United States, clearly, Japan, India, obviously Russia. But for
this sensory buoy to be discovered here, the reason it's
a big deal is that it's again it's in a
very important trade route and it also is in sovereign water.
(28:55):
So it's kind of like if the US found a
Russian monitoring device off the co to Miami. You know
what else are they doing in there? And yeah, why
did you tell us? Don't be suspicious? Also give it back?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, I agree with not giving it back.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yes, yeah, I think we can agree with the Indonesian
Navy on that one. They didn't ask us, but we
are on the same page. And the bigger implication here
is that these things usually are not going to be
deployed in a one off fashion. So this suggests that
China may have a network of multiple sensors building out
(29:35):
a net with real time information on underwater conditions that
will later aid their submarine operations. And they've been quite
ambitious with slipping submarines around the world. They are preparing
for conflict in the future. It's just inescapable at this point.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It's crazy times, and it only gets.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Crazier times, and it only gets crazier. Quote, based on
international practice, it is not unusual to be loved by anyone.
Now they said, it is not unusual for marine research
equipment to drift into territorial waters of other countries due
to malfunctions or other reasons. So basically they're saying, ah,
(30:20):
we didn't mean to throw the frisbee in your yard. Also,
stop looking in your backyard until we say you can.
Nobody go back to Nobody go out to the backyard,
return our frisbee, and don't look at all the stuff
we have audit. So be careful out there, folks. We
would love to especially if you work in if you
work in the Navy, or if you work in marine industries,
(30:44):
We would love to hear what you think is going
on with the submarine arms race. We do have one
more spy story. The FEDS have discovered a widespread Russia
backed espionage network that has compromised eight nineteen thousand devices.
We're going to cyberscoop with the journalist Matt CapCo Kapko.
(31:07):
Matt has introduced us to something called Forest Blizzard. They
are a hacking group that is not officially tied to
Russian intelligence agencies, but is definitely part of it. They
were hijacking network traffic to steal credentials and tokens for
(31:27):
Microsoft accounts and other kind of cloud services. So they
compromised more than eighteen thousand routers spread across more than
one hundred and twenty countries, getting access to sensitive networks
for a large scale espionage campaign they were building up
to break part of the digital world. Forest Blizzard is
(31:50):
also known as APT twenty eight or Fancy Bear, which
I think is our personal favorite name. They were stealing
credentials for these routers, and they were hijacking domain name
system settings. They were redirecting traffic. Their network intruded the
systems of more than two hundred organizations. They impacted at
(32:13):
least five thousand consumer devices. That's coming to us from
Microsoft Threat Intelligence. And we know that we don't know
exactly what they were planning because they didn't get to
that part of their villain story. This was them setting
up the conditions right to make the attack until they
(32:33):
got taken down by Uncle Sam. The FBI led the
charge to an operation with a very cool name, Operation Mascarade.
I almost want to say it has Mascarade. They worked
with the National Security Divisions, National Security Cyberseection, Microsoft Threat Intelligence,
(32:55):
they worked with Luman's Black Lotus Labs, another cool name,
and they shut this thing down before these guys were
able to do whatever it is they wanted to do.
But just like finding a single sensory buoy out in
territorial waters near China, finding this one network means that
(33:20):
there are probably more. There are probably redundancies in this,
so if we caught one, we're still playing whack a mole.
We don't know what other stuff is going to pop up.
We know that they were going throughout North Africa, Central America,
Southeast Asia, obviously the United States. They did get access
(33:42):
to government resources in some countries. There's a European country
that has not been identified. Their national identity platform think
of it like your social security website here in the
US was also impacted and compromised. We don't know exactly
(34:03):
what they're going to do with this because they got
some stuff already before they got popped.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, and it looks like i'd never heard I've heard
the term phishing before, but I've never heard the term
spear phishing, which is one of the techniques that they used.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, break it down for US man.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
It uses personalized messaging. So you get an email that
looks like it's from Bank of America. It says that
you need to log in because you have four transactions
that are suspicious, and you click the link and then
they get your information once you try and log in.
So you know, I'm sure most of our listeners are
very tech savvy, but maybe just log directly into the
(34:40):
service instead of clicking the email link if it looks
weird to you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah agreed, well, said Dylan. As a matter of fact,
I guess I'll mention this on air. Also, I was
fascinated by your bravery to click on a survey link
in a text message.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
I know I checked the ORL thorough beforehand. That still,
it wasn't maybe my brightest moment, but it just turned
out to be some people trying to sell me on
data centers.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I hear you, man. I also in full confession, in
the spirit of transparency, even if the boys send me
a link in our group chat, I usually am not
going to click it.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's fair. I mean, I'd hate to be tricked by
cyber nool or Mecha Matt. The imposter podcast avatars are
always trying to still the information.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah agreed. We also want to again, we always like
to start and end our weekly strange news segment on
positive notes. So we do have something that's pretty exciting
to us. We hope it's exciting to you too. This
goes out to all our fellow conspiracy realist in Mexico.
(35:52):
This is breaking news. Just a few days ago, the
President of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, announced that Mexico's one hundred
and twenty million citizens will have free universal healthcare starting
next year. Just a tremendous shift from the way things
(36:14):
were in the past. This is a landmark policy. It's
if it all works out, it's going to unify a fragmented,
unequal system that has left a lot of people just
out in the cold at different hospitals and clinics because
they were like privatized healthcare in the US, they could
only go to what their insurance provider agreed to. In theory, again,
(36:39):
Mexico's sprawling network of public health institutions will provide most
people with coverage, but in practice, if you are a
poorer person, if you are in a rural community, you
often can't get treatment or the medicines you need without
paying out the wazoo. So there's a two tier system
of healthcare in Mexico right now, based on income. But
(37:02):
beginning on April thirteenth, just a few days before we
record today, if you are eighty five or older, you
can register for the IDE you'll need to access care,
and then from January of next year, twenty twenty seven,
healthcare institutions will start bridging gaps in access to medicine
(37:24):
and treatment. And this is this is a hot button
issue here because not everybody loves the current president of Mexico.
She's very left wing, right, she ascribes to socialism, and
since she came to power in twenty twenty four, a
lot of her administrative actions have been focused on undoing
(37:46):
neoliberal policies. She's done things like pledging to build one
point eight million new homes to tackle a housing shortage.
She's looking for better tenant rights. She's also doing and
this is something that Dylan, you and I can agree with.
She also plans to shorten the work week.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, I saw that from forty eight hours to forty
I didn't know that that was the Mexico work week.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Forty eight hours, forty eight hours, Yes, that'd be six
days a week, right, Yeah, And this occurs in step
with increasing the minimum wage by thirteen percent, which would
probably never happen in the United States. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
And also I think will be the last country to
get universal health care now.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So yeah, yeah, I believe that is the case. You know,
in minimum wage to be fair is very sticky, wicked.
It's a bag of badgers, because if you increase the
minimum wage, a lot of people argue it'll cause inflation,
and that means there will no longer be investment, especially
(38:49):
for an investment in your country. But these folks are saying,
forget about it, you know, never mind the bollocks. We're
going to sex pistols, all right, that's acted all sex
pistols reference. They're going to make sure that the government
can take care of its most vulnerable people, which I
(39:10):
think is politics aside a pretty commendable thing. And I
hate to agree with you that there likely won't be
the first world healthcare in the United States until it
is seen as a matter of national security, because remember,
as we were talking about in previous episodes, that's the
(39:31):
only reason the US has an interstate highway system. It's
not because it was more efficient. It's not because people said, hey,
this will help small communities or it'll help class mobility
or anything like that. They said, if there's a war
in the Pacific, we need to be able to move
people across the country.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I forgot about that, But it was like you
could get tanks across the country and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right, Yeah, it's one hundred percent true. One thing that
is not as true it's still worth mentioning, is that
there's a long standing bit of obscure folklore about the
highway system which argues it was constructed the way it's
constructed and goes the places it can go because they
(40:15):
were secretly building emergency runways for planes in the case
of a war. I mean, it's technically possible, I guess,
but the interstates that we see are usually pretty crowded.
I don't know how you.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Atlanta can't land in midtown Atlanta, No, no matter what
time of day or night.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Right right, kadive drive at Midtown Atlanta. You know, part
of me is still parked there trying to make a
left on tech.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Part of me will always be there.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we also want you to know,
folks that we are still bird dogging the developing story
of missing or dead scientists, including folks like General mclasland.
We broke that story in a preation of our Strange
News segment. We also know that there have been further
(41:07):
deaths or disappearances that, depending on the way you perceive it,
are linked to the mccaslan disappearance. Just yesterday, on Thursday,
April sixteenth, the White House Administration declared that they are
officially investigating these deaths and disappearances. Let's go to newsweek
(41:31):
dot com courtesy of our journalist Joe Edwards, the White
House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt has indicated that the Trump
administration may investigate the string of mysterious deaths and disappearances
of US experts with ties to advanced research because of
the careers these disappearing or deceased people have. There's a
(41:54):
lot of scuttle but that has not been confirmed, linking
them to a possible coordinated effort to silence them. And
I can't wait for us to do an episode on
this one, but for now, we wanted to let you
know that Levitt's remarks show the allegations are getting attention
(42:15):
from the top levels of the American government. Authorities still
haven't made any concrete connection among the cases, so it's
still a lot of people who are kind of independently
investigating on their own and drawing their own red strings.
But multiple lawmakers have been calling for closer scrutiny of
(42:36):
the disappearances for some time now. And on Wednesday, we'll
summ it up this way. On Wednesday, a reporter told Levitt, quote,
there are now ten American scientists who have either gone
missing or died since mid twenty twenty four. They all
reportedly had access to classified nuclear or aerospace material. Is
(42:58):
anybody investigating this to see if these things are connected?
To which the press secretary responded, I have not spoken
to our relevant agencies about it. I will certainly do
that and we will get you an answer if true.
Of course, that's definitely something I think this government and
administration would deem worth looking into. So let me do
that for you. So gotta say, it's the concept of
(43:22):
a plan. It's saying, hey, we're going to look into it.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
It's a very long may be.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Just so you know what it is. Man. It's like
it's like when you and I replied to an email
at four forty five on a Wednesday and we say, oh, yeah, great,
thanks for the heads up. We'll look into it. I'll
be right on that. Rose was that don't tell mom
the babysitter's dad. Yeah. We also know that the current
US president, Donald J. Trump has made public statements about
(43:54):
the situation and is aware of it. He said, quote,
this is pretty serious stuff. I hope it's random. We're
going to know in the next week and a half.
So again the pattern of you know, a week and
a half or two weeks.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Don't know why he chose week and a half, but
I will say that our listeners are super sharp. And
then we got a voicemail about this like two or
three weeks ago. It seemed like one of our listeners
was ahead of the curve on it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh yeah, I think right now a lot of Again
I wouldn't even say the public, but I would say
our fellow listeners and independent investigators, people doing their own research.
I think where some of us are already far past,
like where the official narrative is, especially when we were
breaking the story of Monica Reza, who went missing on
(44:42):
the morning of June twenty second, twenty twenty five, in
the Angelees National Forest. Her disappearance is fascinating because she
is the co creator of a super alloy that was
funded by an Air Force lab that was headed up
by the currently missing retired Air Force General William McCasland.
(45:02):
Her patented super alloy is called MONDOLOI, and this brought
her into mccaslin's orbit. He oversaw the group that funded
research in the early two thousands into advanced materials that
are needed for reusable space vehicles and weapons. So as
we get into as we get into an actual episode
(45:23):
on this, we're going to see why other countries, rival
countries were very concerned with this research or the invention
in the applications of this alloy, especially because if you
scale up production, you could find new processing methods and
you could use this material in rocket engines. And these
(45:46):
people have been working on this for years and years,
but it escaped public notice right outside of the world
of chemistry and space nerds, but it did not escape
the notice of countries like China and Ussia who very
much want to have the newest toy on the market,
or very much don't want the United States to have it.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah. Yeah, especially given global tensions and also this new
space race that we seem to be entering.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh yeah, I'm kind of excited about it, honestly, because
it's going to spur so much innovation. We'll make astronauts
cool again.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
I got my NASA mug I've had since I was
eight right here.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Nice. Yeah, did you ever I think I asked you,
did you ever go to space camp?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I did, Yeah, I went to middle school. It was awesome.
I did not do the g force, you know, the
thing where they spin you around three sixty. Did not
do that, but I did most of the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Nice. Yeah, man. I think I mentioned in a previous conversation,
either an episode or one of our segments, that we
were able to verify that there is an adult space
camp and we might get our pal noll Over over
to that so he doesn't feel left out in the cold.
But it's kind of expensive. I'm looking back on it,
(47:03):
and we had pretty good parents. Man.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
How could we get work to pay for us to
all go to space camp and make quote unquote content
out of it? That's what I wonder I would love.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's our question. Yeah, let's do it. Let's write to
NASA too, maybe they could sponsor us. That would be
amazing and we should absolutely give it the old college try. Folks,
if you have any way to help us get to
adult space Camp, or you have any advice for us,
please let us know. We cannot wait to hear from you.
(47:35):
Thank you, as always so much for tuning in to
our strange news segment. A big, big thank you, especially
to none other than Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan for
humoring me and playing co host. Man, I can't believe
we got to do strange news daily again.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
That's an honor to be on the Eric. Thanks Ben
and Dylan.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Just for a quick spoiler, when we come back later
this week with our weekly listener mail segment, should we
expect some root vegetables? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I got one cooking.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, so we're going to be cooking some root of
Vegas and you might end up on the air with us.
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