May 29, 2023 • 48 mins
Tech mogul Bryan Johnson causes a stir when it's revealed he uses his own son as a 'blood boy' to stave off the effects of aging. Cancun authorities ban narcocorrido performances. Elderly businessman John Manchec attempts an elaborate escape from jail, fleeing from the US to France. All this and more in this week's strange news segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They called me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Alexis codenamed Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
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the stuff they don't want you to know. It is
the top of the week, and as you know longtime listeners,
fellow conspiracy realist, we like to we'd like to explore
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what we call strange news at the top of every week.
Today we are going to explore some wonkiness in the
dea going to talk about the musical genre narco corrido.
We are also going to begin with a bit of
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an update, a bit of a follow up on an
episode we did get this, guys, all the way back
in twenty eighteen, before the news became huge in the
United States. In twenty eighteen, we did an episode called
the Modern Vampire Longer Life through Younger Blood. Do we
all remember that one?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
How could we forget.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
All these big wigs bathing in the blood of virgins
and what maybe okay, okay, that's a little bit overstating
the case, but yeah, certainly about access, the term blood boy,
blood bag comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Mm hmm, yeah, we'll get to We'll get to blood boy,
which may be familiar to fans of the fictional show
Silicon Valley. The idea of this is essentially that people
with a certain level of wealth, which in transparency we
do not we do not have access to. People with
a certain level of wealth and a certain level of
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fear of mortality were creating these startups with this idea that,
based off research on mice, you could live longer, you
could maintain your quality of life through regular plasma transfusions
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of blood from younger people. And there was a weird
market that was just on the precipice of going mainstream,
wherein people in their teenage years or lower twenties would
donate plasma to very wealthy older picture Monty Burns from
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the Simpsons type folks, and they were convinced that they
would be able to maintain a higher quality of life
through the regular transfusion of this plasma. The science has
never been approved by anyone who wasn't trying to sell
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this concept to someone with a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Just to be clear, is the efficacy of it even
like confirmed? I understand what you're saying, man, but like,
is this really just sort of like a vanity thing
for the super wealthy. Is it something that we actually
believe in scientifically or is it kind of snake oil?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Well, nol, It's interesting that you would say you would
pose this question, because the people who do believe in
the efficacy here, they are ten toes down on it,
and most specifically, just a few days ago, a very
wealthy guy named Brian Johnson got in the news. I
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think the story broke first on Bloomberg for using his
seveneen year old son named Talmadge and his seventy year
old father Richard as part of a three way blood swap.
It reminds I think most people in the West of
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that scene in the beginning of mad Max Fury Road
where the war boy has to use mad Max for
fresh cancer free blood, basically right and just like.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
A dystopian science fiction film, just to be clear, right,
And yet we see it mirrored in society much more
closely than might make any of us comfortable.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And it's weird because our exploration all those years ago
was somewhat prescient. The story hit big in twenty nineteen
and people sort of lost track of it. But this guy,
Brian Johnson, he has been super into the idea of
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not just extending his biological age, but extending what we
call his period of youthfulness. And so he gets in
the news because he went to a clinic in Dallas
with his dad and with his son and they exchanged blood.
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It turns out this is not the first time Brian
Johnson has been to a clinic to get blood transfusions.
He got the blood of an anonymous donor in the past.
He also spent a lot of time and money selecting
this donor based on things like their blood type, obviously,
but then their overall health and their body mass index,
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their BMI, as well as their diet. And he has
a couple of things. I shared some of these sources here.
You can see pictures of him and his son. I
want to go ahead and just let you guys react
to this. Do you want to see the picture of
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him and his son, or him and his son and
his grandfather? Why not? All three.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, the full flavor.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Okay, Richard and Talmadge. I was I knew that name
rungs presidential name, isn't it Like Richard Talmadge was a
German born actor that was in a bunch of stuff
like early in film history, and uh, I just remember
that name. Sorry, just putting that out there. Richard Talmadge.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Oh you know else's Talmadge. There was a several governors
of Georgia, Herman Talmadge and Eugene Talmadge.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
We're putting it together and all together.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Okay, the dynasty vibes.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So I'm sharing the picture now so you guys can
see it. Uh. The one left is the first strap.
The one in the middle is Brian Johnson. The one
on the right is the father and grandfather. They're all
in white tank tops wife beaters we call them here
in the US often and you can tell they're related.
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But it looks kind of weird, just since we're an
audio podcast, just to give everybody a sense. When I
first pulled up this picture, I thought it was a
deep fake because I thought it was Joe Biden on
the far right there.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh wow, there's some serious caressing going on in this
image here, it's very like a Calvin Klein underwear ad
or something. A lot of I think the word might
be homo erotic vibes here.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's some eroticism to it, apparently, like the father of
the patriarch or grandfather if you wish, is behind his son,
holding him with both arms along as midriff, and the
youngest male talmage is hold his father's right arm with
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his head leaning on his father's shoulder. I'm gonna stop
sharing that one so that we don't all continue staring
at it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Can I just add those two that both of the
younger talmage's nips are fully erect, just putting that out
the context.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It is weird to think like each one is recursively
made from the other one's sperm, right, It's kind of strange.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And then just I don't know, we're hot depending on Okay,
I never mind too much.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Sorry, No, I understand you, man, because the it is
strange and general to think about the way human reproduction works.
But this guy, our main character, Brian Johnson, is only
forty five years old. He made a ton of money
when he was thirty, and ever since then he has
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been spending millions of dollars a year, an average of
two million dollars US a year on a quest for
eternal not life life, but eternal youth. And he has
his son, Talmach is seventeen years old. Obviously, all three
of the guys in this family are consenting to this arrangement,
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and the idea is that they are going to be
able to somehow put some higher octane gas into the
function of their organs, possibly the cognitive functions of the brain,
possibly functions of the central nervous system. But when I'm
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looking at this guy, I think, when we're all looking
at this guy not being a doctor or something, and
it doesn't look like he's getting younger. It doesn't look
like he's using a superpower. It looks like he is,
you know, he got that Rich Berston shined. He looks
like regularly.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It looks his age.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It makes me think of in movies.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You can always tell when there's like some miraculous cure
of the going to happen in a movie, because why
is that actor wearing old man makeup? Oh, so they
can slowly take it off throughout the course of the
film so you can see them, you know, regain their youth.
Whether through some witchcraft or scientific remedy. That's what it
makes me think of.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Agreed, It's kind of like the rom com move, which
is such a trope where whenever you see a protagonist
in a rom com who has glasses and her hair
pulled back, you know that she's supposed to be mousey,
no matter how actually beautiful she is. And then gradually
at some point the glasses get removed. It's very I
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don't know, somewhat condescending to viewers.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
No, but I see it does feel like the guy
just has a skin care regiment or something. That's what
I'm seeing in the picture.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, it's called it's called rubbing blood over your face?
Is it not how the blood is administered? This is
not how the blood is administered.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's right. They boof it, so they don't poof it.
I see, fellow listeners see, I see the guys shaking
their heads. All right, Well, no, I say we leave
it in.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I was waggling my eyebrows for the record.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Who feeds a funny joke? So and a real thing
that a Supreme Court justice did. So. The interesting thing
about this, the reason when to bring this up, is
because it can make some ephemeral headlines, and then it
can quickly disappear. If you want to read more about this,
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do go to blueprint dot Brian Johnson dot coo. Brian
Johnson has an entire website about his As you said, Matt,
his regiment, and his regiment is pretty extensive. It's the
kind of thing that most people cannot afford in terms
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of both financial concerns and just the amount of hours
they have in a day. And we run into this
a lot when we see celebrities or when we see
world leaders who who are just absolutely yoked, you know,
or they're ripped, and they're you know, as you said, Matt,
their skin looks great, their hair looks great. It's usually
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because they have a team that is entirely paid to
make them look that way. And I think we've all
we've all run into this before, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, I've been investing lately in a regiment of
some time with a personal trainer, literally thirty forty five minutes,
three times a week. And I do this because if
I didn't, I wouldn't work out, I wouldn't go. I
need to be beholden to somebody, and to me, that
is worth the money. But this is like one person
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that I'm paying three days a week to work out
with and not and I would not constitute a team.
But you know, we're talking folks that are working with
somebody every day, multiple times. Sometimes they have a live
in person, you know, not to mention hair and makeup
and all of the skincare stuff. I mean, yeah, you're
talking folks that are at the beck and call of
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these types of individuals.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And Matt and I both have, I suspect our own
kind of personal I don't want to call you out, Matt,
but I've got my own personal sort of clock or
schedule of stuff that I do, which has all been
messed up by movie. But there is a world in
which this kind of science or pseudoscience becomes normalized again
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if you listen to our Modern Vampires episode. Also, yes,
we know the stuff about Elizabeth Bathory bathing in the
blood of virgins is probably propaganda that was meant to
disenfranchise her in the political sphere of her time. But
if you look at this, what we can see is
that more and more people are going to jump onto this.
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They're going to jump onto the idea that this particular
brand of biotech thomaturgy will be somehow beneficial. And without
a long term study of this, we don't know how
it works out. But I would like to go on
record thanking Brian Johnson when we none of us have
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ever met, for kind of hacking the idea of a
longitudinal study. You know, it's a three generation study that's
happening in real time. He says that he is now
as a result of Project Blueprint and this blood plasma
transfusion with his son. He is claiming that he has
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experienced an epigenetic age reversal of a little over five
years and that he, as a forty five year old
human male, now has quote the heart of a thirty
seven year old and a lifetime ban from the hospital. Kidding, kidding,
that's an old joke. I don't know what do you
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guys think, Like, would you this is a question we
posed before, would you consider if it was entirely consensual?
Would you consider this kind of procedure or regimen if
you were in your early fifties or something.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, I don't think so, not for me. I also
don't like needles. Transfusions really freak me out.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
If it's something where if I knew it was going
to help like my one of my parents and some
of their health issues, then I would like advocate for it,
probably for them. But I think unless I found myself
in a situation where it was a real health issue
that I thought could be aided by this process, I
probably wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's a good point. Yeah, I think about that as well.
Like if we're in a situation where I could help
someone who needed help, then of course I would. I
would be first in line. If it was something where
I was asking for help from someone or being kind
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of imperialistic about this, like you, young broke person, give me
your blood, then that feels self aggrandizing, you know. But
then again to your point, Matt, if there is if
there's something where you have perhaps a terminal genetic condition
or a debilitating genetic condition, and some sort of transfusion
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could save your life, then it just becomes the bone
marrow donation conversation all over again, right, I think that
makes sense. Anyway, We are not sponsored by vampires or
blood merchants, as I hope they come to be called,
but we do want to hear your thoughts because these
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are some pretty deep questions. Would you do your blood
to an older person that you know if you knew
and could prove that doing so would expand their quality
of life and extend their biological life? Would you take
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blood from someone else if you felt like it would
keep you in your prime for a longer amount of time?
Can't wait to hear from you. We're going to take
a pause for a word from our sponsors, and we
will be back with more strange news.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
All right, and we're back, guys. Before we get into
the story, has anyone tried to log into Netflix today?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
By chance? Not today?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They put the hammer down?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
They did put the hammer down today as we record
this on Wednesday, May twenty fourth, all those accounts that
you share are the one that you log into.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's sorry, it's over.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Playtime is over, as well as probably Netflix profit share
for at least a time.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So now it's some kind of like two factor situation,
right or like you can, I believe, authorize it on
two of your own devices, but even that requires.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
A little bit of you know, gotta be the same household.
Can't be a phone and a tablet in two different locations.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Watch out, they're coming for you.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
You may have to pay up to twenty dollars a
month if you want premium, I think plus eight dollars
per other household or account or whatever. Anyway, it's gonna
be nuts for a while in the Netflix world. So
we'll see what happens there. But that's not what our
primary story is for this segment. We are going to
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the Indian River County Jail. Indian River County Jail. Your
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, guys, who got a story of a
jail break today, I'll give you the I'll give you
the title here spoil it a little bit. Millionaires elaborate
jail escape plan foiled, Florida sheriff says, and that sheriff
is Indian River County Sheriff Eric Flowers. He gave a
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press conference this past Monday, as we record today about
this situation, this development. Let's say, you guys, know we
I think we all enjoy a good jail escape plan,
especially when it's gone like horribly wrong or incredibly right,
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you know, or is an absolute show. Well, this is
kind of in the middle here a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
There was a rather elaborate escape plan put together by
this person. His name is John Manchek, m A n c.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ch Ec.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
This person has a lot of money, is quite wealthy,
and he basically employed a bunch of people to do
a bunch of things to get him out of jail,
and his plan was to escape to France, where he
has a castle.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And France has quite a track record of not extraditing
known criminals convicted of a specific genre of terrible offense.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Right, well, would that be been?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, that would be The proper term is CSAM child
sexual abuse material, sometimes called child pornography. But that's obviously
that's obviously not a great way to describe such a
horrific thing.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yes, yes, that is the thing that this person, John Manchek,
was attempting to escape because guess what, he's done it before.
He has escaped to France before on charges of those
depictions of horrible images of children. This man is seventy
eight years old, and I don't know, I guess. The
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only fun thing about the stories the escape plan. The
guy is clearly a piece of crap. The man is
charged with some horrible, horrible things, which if true, my god, no,
thank you, go away forever. But he did have some
interesting ideas, Oh god, that sounds horrible to say. He
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put together a real plan. Okay, so let's go over this.
The plan begins with a doctor's appointment where this guy
is supposed to leave the jail where he's being kept
right now before because he hasn't stood trial for these
things yet, right he's just in the jail, he's not
in the prison. Plan is to go out on this
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doctor's appointment, and then some of his associates who are
currently not in prison, would basically accost assault the prison
guards or the jail guards that would be with him.
Plan was to pepper spray them and I guess while
they were incapacitated, abscond with the many eight year old dude,
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and then get in a van, drive that van to
I believe. I think it was either a yacht or
a plane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
A plane and a.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yacht were both involved in this escape plan, get him
to one of those things, set off, and eventually end
up at his castle in France. It just seems insane
to me.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And and you know, unfortunately, there's the Roman Polansky precedent.
This ap article that you linked us to, Matt shows
that France had previously denied US request for extradition terrible
job France. I can't even I can't even perform sarcasm
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on that. You guys really shit the bag on that one.
But so he escaped once or kind of like weaseled
out once, and then he got arrested again. And this
was his this was his attempt to prison break or
conduct a heist on himself.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yes, I'll go ahead, read you from this AP news
article written by Frida Frizaro on Tuesday, May twenty third.
Manchek was arrested in twenty fourteen on forty nine child
pornography charges. Flowers said he left the country to avoid
prosecution after posting a nearly five hundred thousand dollars bond
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and moved to his This is what it says, medieval
estate in southern France, the Chateau Petregal.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I pulled up the picture of it. I hate to
say it. It is swank.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It is like the place, the castle or whatever, like
Epstein Island level swank.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Ben's sharing an image with us right now.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Oh boy, let's see it. Yeah, it's very Robin Hoodie.
I mean, you know, like Sheriff of Nottinghamy, you know,
Prince John E.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, is that a parapet Is that what you
would call that?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes, indeed, we can defend themselves from invading arm and arrows.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
This looks like look at the windows here. This is
built such that you could pour hot oil on evading hords.
Is It's crazy. So this guy is seventy eight years old.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
You just want to add I have a feeling that
the interior is modern and megaswank probably.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh yeah, there are pictures of the interior as well.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But well, let's get back to that time in twenty
fourteen when he was charged with those forty nine counts
and then he escaped to France. France wouldn't do anything.
They would not extrade him even though he's facing those charges. However,
he took a trip to the Dominican Republic in twenty
twenty where he was picked up and sent to Florida,
and that's where he's been. He's been hanging out in
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jail basically waiting for his time in court or whatever,
his trial date and all of that stuff. And he
was quote suffering from chronic medical conditions, which again kind
of led down this lane to developing a plan to
get sent to a doctor's appointment where he he actually
had a couple of people working within the jail. They
were going to assist in the plan. His roommate, I
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guess in jail, his sally. He paid for that guy.
He helped that guy out, gave him a bunch of money,
and then allowed him to stay at his house after
his cellmate got out. And then the cellmate was basically
on the other side of the wall planning this the
rest of the stuff being his fixer or something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
WHNCH goes to, like what you were saying earlier, the
purchase of vehicles, the use of his I think he
already owned the yacht.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right m hm, and a plane in a plane okay.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And so this person who has not been identified publicly yet,
this this other cellmate, they were they were bought into
the concernspiracy. I assume that they are back in jail.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Oh yes, uh never.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I don't think ever got to leave or even attempt
the escape plan because somebody came forward with an anonymous
tip like, hey, guys, you know that weird old guy,
like really weird old guy. Messed up dude, he's like
trying to get out of prison, and here's the plan.
And there was a cell phone that was recovered or
found I guess discovered. And there are a bunch of
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text messages from this dude mancheck and like going out
to these various parties, and they all use the term
quote paint job when referring to what was going to
go down.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
All right, Yeah, it's a super gross specific case, but
that kind of opsect is common, right.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, And it is interesting that this ap article
and I guess the Sheriff's department refers to his co
conspirators as employees because he literally just had enough money
where he just paid people and they were working for him. Right,
It's like having underlings or something, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Question question for you, Matt. Does that mean that, uh
is the choice to call them employees which is accurate
at the very least of their contractors, right? Does the
choice to call them employees maybe have some legal ramifications?
Like this is entirely speculation on my on my part,
But does that enable them to push further charges or
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something of that need? Maybe I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Well, I also wonder how it affects those individuals, right,
because I don't know the legal arguments for I was
being paid by my employer to do you know, X,
Y and Z preparing the yacht or something.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I had no idea.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Maybe they could argue, I had no idea that it
was actually meant as an escape plan. I thought he
just asked me, you know, he prepares yacht. I thought
he just needed me to refuel his plane.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Or sometimes people want you to buy a van, you
know what I mean. It's a gig a con.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean, it's it's weird how that like positioning it
as employee boss employee relationship kind of thing is very
different than just a co conspirator in a plot to
you know, get this guy out of prison.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm still now I'm looking at how he made his fortune.
Aro Shade Technologies a ro O, the leader in sun
protection and light control for aerospace.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, that's how he That's how he became a multimillionaire.
Oh and the company is still up. They sell like
sun visors for cars and stuff, but their emphasis seems
to be on private planes.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Weird.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Weird dude.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Well, maybe we need to look deeper into this guy
and the company and all that stuff, because there's shades of,
you know, some kind of villain here in a Marvel.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Movie or something. Oh. Absolutely, agreed, and they might not
have caught them at all unless it had not one
of those conspirators come forward.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, this would have been a very different story. Today,
a millionaire child exploiter gets to France again for the
second time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Jesus Christ France. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Oh yeah, I do, I really really do. Okay, Well,
that's it for this segment. We'll be right back with
more strange news.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And we have retired with one more piece of strange news,
this one regarding the genre of Latin American music known
as narco corridos. We've talked about it in our coverage
of cartel violence various subjects, you know, surrounding Mexico and
the US Mexico border. Kind of you know, usually thought
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of as folk song sort of ballads, you know, singing,
maybe not not always the praises, but at the very
least chronicling the exploits of well known drug runners and
drug cartel bosses, criminals, you know, and the narco and
there specifically refers to refers to drugs, you know, and
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drug traffickers. And it's interesting because, you know, if you're
familiar with Mexican drug culture and the history thereof then
you know, of course about Pablo Escobar and Median and
how oftentimes you know, in this country which has very
very poor parts, there is a certain benevolence bestowed upon
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the communities by these drug lords, you know, and so
consequently they are often looked at with a certain amount
of reverence, or at least historically that is the case.
Am I characterizing that right?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I think there's a bit of deification. I mean, obviously
Mexican cartels may cooperate or collaborate with cartels from other countries,
like the Escobar medayin operations, but yeah, there is you know,
it's similar to gangster rap. It's similar to the old
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school ballads glorifying wild West outlaws in the United States.
And I'll say, like, I've been in places where I've
seen those songs played and their kids singing along. It's
like a it's a family event. A lot of them
are catchy. But I think, you know, Nola, you nailed it.
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The lyrics, the message of the music often sort of
commemorates these very messed up things, right. Sometimes the protagonist
of the of the song is portrayed as a person
with a good heart fighting the system which is a
little bit, a little bit sanitized, a little bit airbrushed
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exactly right.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And then this is a pretty historical concept. I mean
there's even like if you go to any shops Trare
in an area that has sort of like Mexican shops
that sell some of those saint candles and various acutremala
goes on in this one called Jesus Malverde, which is
known as the Angel of the Poor, the Generous Bandit,
(32:24):
or the narco Saint. And this is an individual who
was actually born in eighteen seventy and died in nineteen
oh nine. So there is this kind of, like you said,
been deification of these folks, and that extends to these
narco corrido songs. And you mentioned gangster rap, and that's
also its own thing that's starting to gain popularity in Mexico.
(32:48):
The narco curritos are a little bit more kind of
dance music. There are some that are more traditional and
on the folky side. But as we have also discussed
in recent times, was once kind of this white sand beach,
clear blue ocean resort city of Cancun. You know, it
almost was a cliche. You talk about taking your senior
(33:10):
trip to cancuon spring break, you know, and all that stuff.
It has become more and more dangerous with all of
this cartel violence, and to the point where, you know,
some of the folks that maybe would have considered vacationing
there giving it a second thought. And the government of
Cancun is taking action, but it might not be the
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kind of action that we might believe to be the
most effective in actually curtailing drug violence. Vice news writer
Nathaniel Janowitz recently published an article titled Cancun is banning
narco concerts as violence sores. He specifically refers to a
handful of artists El Commander, Grupo Fairmey l Millionaro, and
(33:57):
al Lemon, and the last two are actually more or
gangster rap in the gangster rap genre that's kind of
coming up there in Mexico actually gaining some crossover success
here in the States with some I believe Alamon, if
I'm hopefully I'm pronouncing that right has done some collaborations
with be Real of Cyprus Hill and also Snoop Dogg.
Let's start with what's happening specifically with these more traditional
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narco corrido singers who are hugely popular, they are said,
the government is saying that their music is straight up
promoting violence. And you know, we've been through all of
this here in the States, you know, with gangster rap,
with Marilyn Manson, with you know, congressional committees that are
(34:41):
put together to kind of censor this stuff or at
least create sort of an uproar as to you know,
what this music is doing to the kids. While there
certainly was gang violence in places like New York and
Los Angeles, certainly nothing to the level of the kinds
of cartel massacres, you know, know, and just absolutely atrocious
(35:02):
acts that we read about happening in Mexico and in
some of the places where drug cartels basically are more
powerful than the government. So it's interesting that the government would,
or specifically the general secretary of the Cancun City Council,
a man by the name of Jorge Aguilar Osario, said
in a video statement on Twitter, quote, we will not
(35:25):
continue to allow people to promote apologizing for violence. Of course,
you respect freedom of expression, but we cannot continue to
encourage events that promote violence.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Be goes on.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Public shows should not promote any type of violence, and unfortunately,
we have that incidence every time there are these types
of concerts. Have not seen any follow ups in this
article or in other sources that I looked at, citing
specific instances of like how these concerts are the cause
(35:58):
of the violence. And just to clarify the beginning of
that quote, the idea of apologizing for violence, I believe
this is a translation. I think maybe is sort of
referring to the idea of being a violence apologist, you know,
like sort of justifying violence, and that is often what
happens in some of these songs, particularly one by l Commander,
(36:19):
who is the author of one of the most kind
of controversial narco credo songs called Sanguinarios del m One,
which translates to m One's bloodthirsty guys. So, I mean,
these songs really and truly do glorify the actions of
(36:39):
these folks. And oftentimes there's even another genre, kind of
a more specific genre that goes even further in describing
ultra violence perpetrated by some of these gangs, very specific gangs,
and this subgenre is known as move amiento alterrado, and
the Vice article specifically refers to to lyrics describing very
(37:02):
specific acts of violence against civilians and against enemies of
these gangs, such as beheadings, burning people alive, and things
like that. There's a lyric from al commander that says,
we're the best at making people disappear. Always in a caravan,
all my homies well armored, armed and ready to execute.
(37:25):
On the one hand, it is a challenge to freedom
of speech. On the other hand, desperate times call for
desperate measures. I kind of just wanted to bring it
to the group, you know, like, is this a situation
where it is appropriate to limit speech? Is this hate speech?
Is this speech inciting in a way that's somehow different
(37:48):
than the gangster rap of the nineties, you know, in
the uproar around that, or things like Marilyn Manson and
death Metal supposedly causing violent actions, etc.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Exactly. Yeah, well, I guess yes, that's a great question.
So to respond to that, one of the things we
would I think it's smart to look at precedents and
other cultures. We should also acknowledge, without casting aspersion on
the authorities in Cancun, that it is much easier to
ban a concert and entertainment genre than it is to
(38:22):
address the systemic causes of the horrors perpetrated by the cartels,
or the reason that the drug traffic trade became so profitable,
so powerful in the first place. And look again, as
I said earlier, I am very much in a class house.
(38:44):
Here bump some narco corrido stuff, just like I bumped
some activist rap that might be found controversial. Right in
the world of hip hop, you know, immortal technique is
not for everybody, as we can confirm, and there are
there is this history in the world of music and
entertainment of this idea of speaking truth to power. Right,
(39:07):
But with all that, with all those coveats, you know,
it does sound like from what you're telling us, based
with this vice article, it does sound like the authorities
are acting, as you said, out of kind of a desperation.
Maybe the cartels are too powerful to fight, so let's
(39:28):
not I mean, Also, these are politicians, right, No one
wants a brutal attack on tourists to occur under their
watch if they could have prevented it. So logically, whatever
the motivation may be, it does make sense, right, like
do what you can, I.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Suppose so, and again I'd like to hear a little
and maybe it's irrelevant I'd like to hear a little
bit more about some of the specific acts that are
being referred to by the folks in charge that are
banning these concerts. Get it, Maybe it is sort of
like putting their foot down on as much as they
can and not spreading, you know, an ideology that they
disagree with or one that that goes, you know, against
(40:10):
their notions of peace and nonviolence. You know, there's another
the governor of another kind of beachfront area nearby, Quintana
Rouze the name of the town, and MARAA. Lizama is
the person saying this, we promote peace, a culture of
values and family, non violence and the rejection of destructive attitudes.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I get.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I mean, you know, it's sort of a symbolic act,
I think.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
More than anything symbolic or performative.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That's the thing though, right to me, it's a little
I'm leaning towards I'm trying to give them the benefit
of the doubt by using the word symbolic, because these
things do have power, but they're not gonna they're not
gonna do anything. They're just gonna piss the cartel people
off more of anything.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Well, a lot of those again just you know what,
I'll say it. Some people make it mad, but a
lot of the like so called gangster rap, called gangster
hip hop and so on, those folks aren't the real people.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know, Freeway, who is an amazing lyricist, is not
the same as Freeway Rick Ross, and the most popular
Rick Ross in that musical genre used to work in
the prison system on the staff. Like these folks are
they are entertainers, they're barred, they are performers. And we
see a lot of the well known narco corrido artist saying, hey,
(41:31):
we're just entertaining. We are creating something enjoyable. People are
paying us a ticket price and we want to make
good on that. There's a great quote in this article
you found well by one of the more prominent entertainers
in the genre, a Laman, and a Laman I think
Alaman makes a very valid point about the wholesomeness or
(41:55):
the community and the entertainment value of the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, and again, this guy's more on the gangster rapp
tip of this whole debate here. So you could argue, well,
let's let's just hear it from directly from him, and
this is what he argues. At my shows there are
children who always get on stage to break dance with me.
We come to have a good time and not hurt anyone.
I've always spoken to them and my songs about getting ahead,
looking for success, looking for a better quality of life. Truthfully,
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I feel that this law that they have here is
imposed against freedom of expression.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So there you go, And.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
A question that will come up in one of our
future episodes about books spoiler alert. When you ban one
kind of music, you ban one song, does it not
open a door to banning everything else.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Any of The short of answer is yes, yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Matt.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Do you have any anything to add before we close
out this one?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
I had so many thoughts you guys, but my network
got taken out by the hackers.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
No, just joking, it's just one of them.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
But no, I'm kind of leaning towards stuff. The Ben
was saying about it being more of a gesture than
anything else, but it is competing profit motives, right. All
the people were talking about the places that want to
ban the music. They want tourism, They need those tourist dollars.
They need it to be safe, they need it to
feel safe more than anything right, got to feel safe,
(43:18):
and if they can somehow reduce some surface level thing
that might give someone coming in pause, then yeah, they're
probably gonna do it and continue to do that kind
of thing.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
And just you know, let's be clear, we're not talking
about hundreds of American and European tourists being you know,
executed on mass I think there's another story on a
Vice by Jeff ERNs. The headline says it all Narco
Hittman on jet skis sprayed at Cancun Beach with bullets,
killing two people. And I've read about the death of
(43:55):
Los Angelino and a European individual I believe, And so
you know, we're not talking about massive amounts of casualties here,
but that doesn't matter because one or two is going
to be enough to make people change their vacation plants.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
And so to ban these events.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
May to your point, Matt, feel more like.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
The illusion of safety.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Are that where you don't support all this, See we're
banning these shows, therefore everything's cool, But it doesn't necessarily
mean everything's cool, and nothing you can do is going
to stop the cartels from doing what the cartels are
going to do. Sort of like all out war, and
frankly they're more armed than the government.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
In some cases, For me, it's an illusion of fear
and an illusion of safety.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Right, it's very much just.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
Where you are going to be and what you're doing,
often right, except for a very rare chance where that's
when you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But I think it was most deef who said there's
hunger in the streets and it's hard to defeat. Some
steal for fun, but more steel to eat. Usually when
there's an operation targeting the vulnerable, right, it is is
it is a profit motive, or in some cases it
is to send an ideological message. It is true that
(45:09):
murders and acts of violence robbery have accelerated in parts
of Mexico, but that is also true in many other
parts of the world. And sometimes US media gets this
wrong because they love to they love to be fearmongers
about any other sort, any sort of other I should say,
(45:31):
but I think this is a really interesting conversation. Maybe
something we continue in an episode.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I certainly think so, and thank you both for your
thoughtful responses. But yeah, I think that that's a good
place to put a pin in this one for now,
and hopefully we can dig a little deeper in a
future episode.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Also again, some Narco Corrido songs absolutely objectively slap and
music has always been Music has always been a way
for society to hold a mirror to itself, as is
the role of all art. We can't wait to hear
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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(00:49):
what we call strange news at the top of every week.
Today we are going to explore some wonkiness in the
dea going to talk about the musical genre narco corrido.
We are also going to begin with a bit of
(01:09):
an update, a bit of a follow up on an
episode we did get this, guys, all the way back
in twenty eighteen, before the news became huge in the
United States. In twenty eighteen, we did an episode called
the Modern Vampire Longer Life through Younger Blood. Do we
all remember that one?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
How could we forget.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
All these big wigs bathing in the blood of virgins
and what maybe okay, okay, that's a little bit overstating
the case, but yeah, certainly about access, the term blood boy,
blood bag comes to mind.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Mm hmm, yeah, we'll get to We'll get to blood boy,
which may be familiar to fans of the fictional show
Silicon Valley. The idea of this is essentially that people
with a certain level of wealth, which in transparency we
do not we do not have access to. People with
a certain level of wealth and a certain level of
(02:07):
fear of mortality were creating these startups with this idea that,
based off research on mice, you could live longer, you
could maintain your quality of life through regular plasma transfusions
(02:28):
of blood from younger people. And there was a weird
market that was just on the precipice of going mainstream,
wherein people in their teenage years or lower twenties would
donate plasma to very wealthy older picture Monty Burns from
(02:51):
the Simpsons type folks, and they were convinced that they
would be able to maintain a higher quality of life
through the regular transfusion of this plasma. The science has
never been approved by anyone who wasn't trying to sell
(03:12):
this concept to someone with a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Just to be clear, is the efficacy of it even
like confirmed? I understand what you're saying, man, but like,
is this really just sort of like a vanity thing
for the super wealthy. Is it something that we actually
believe in scientifically or is it kind of snake oil?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Well, nol, It's interesting that you would say you would
pose this question, because the people who do believe in
the efficacy here, they are ten toes down on it,
and most specifically, just a few days ago, a very
wealthy guy named Brian Johnson got in the news. I
(03:54):
think the story broke first on Bloomberg for using his
seveneen year old son named Talmadge and his seventy year
old father Richard as part of a three way blood swap.
It reminds I think most people in the West of
(04:15):
that scene in the beginning of mad Max Fury Road
where the war boy has to use mad Max for
fresh cancer free blood, basically right and just like.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
A dystopian science fiction film, just to be clear, right,
And yet we see it mirrored in society much more
closely than might make any of us comfortable.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
And it's weird because our exploration all those years ago
was somewhat prescient. The story hit big in twenty nineteen
and people sort of lost track of it. But this guy,
Brian Johnson, he has been super into the idea of
(05:01):
not just extending his biological age, but extending what we
call his period of youthfulness. And so he gets in
the news because he went to a clinic in Dallas
with his dad and with his son and they exchanged blood.
(05:23):
It turns out this is not the first time Brian
Johnson has been to a clinic to get blood transfusions.
He got the blood of an anonymous donor in the past.
He also spent a lot of time and money selecting
this donor based on things like their blood type, obviously,
but then their overall health and their body mass index,
(05:47):
their BMI, as well as their diet. And he has
a couple of things. I shared some of these sources here.
You can see pictures of him and his son. I
want to go ahead and just let you guys react
to this. Do you want to see the picture of
(06:08):
him and his son, or him and his son and
his grandfather? Why not? All three.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, the full flavor.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Okay, Richard and Talmadge. I was I knew that name
rungs presidential name, isn't it Like Richard Talmadge was a
German born actor that was in a bunch of stuff
like early in film history, and uh, I just remember
that name. Sorry, just putting that out there. Richard Talmadge.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Oh you know else's Talmadge. There was a several governors
of Georgia, Herman Talmadge and Eugene Talmadge.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
We're putting it together and all together.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Okay, the dynasty vibes.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So I'm sharing the picture now so you guys can
see it. Uh. The one left is the first strap.
The one in the middle is Brian Johnson. The one
on the right is the father and grandfather. They're all
in white tank tops wife beaters we call them here
in the US often and you can tell they're related.
(07:11):
But it looks kind of weird, just since we're an
audio podcast, just to give everybody a sense. When I
first pulled up this picture, I thought it was a
deep fake because I thought it was Joe Biden on
the far right there.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh wow, there's some serious caressing going on in this
image here, it's very like a Calvin Klein underwear ad
or something. A lot of I think the word might
be homo erotic vibes here.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
There's some eroticism to it, apparently, like the father of
the patriarch or grandfather if you wish, is behind his son,
holding him with both arms along as midriff, and the
youngest male talmage is hold his father's right arm with
(08:02):
his head leaning on his father's shoulder. I'm gonna stop
sharing that one so that we don't all continue staring
at it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Can I just add those two that both of the
younger talmage's nips are fully erect, just putting that out
the context.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It is weird to think like each one is recursively
made from the other one's sperm, right, It's kind of strange.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And then just I don't know, we're hot depending on Okay,
I never mind too much.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Sorry, No, I understand you, man, because the it is
strange and general to think about the way human reproduction works.
But this guy, our main character, Brian Johnson, is only
forty five years old. He made a ton of money
when he was thirty, and ever since then he has
(08:51):
been spending millions of dollars a year, an average of
two million dollars US a year on a quest for
eternal not life life, but eternal youth. And he has
his son, Talmach is seventeen years old. Obviously, all three
of the guys in this family are consenting to this arrangement,
(09:15):
and the idea is that they are going to be
able to somehow put some higher octane gas into the
function of their organs, possibly the cognitive functions of the brain,
possibly functions of the central nervous system. But when I'm
(09:38):
looking at this guy, I think, when we're all looking
at this guy not being a doctor or something, and
it doesn't look like he's getting younger. It doesn't look
like he's using a superpower. It looks like he is,
you know, he got that Rich Berston shined. He looks
like regularly.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
It looks his age.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It makes me think of in movies.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
You can always tell when there's like some miraculous cure
of the going to happen in a movie, because why
is that actor wearing old man makeup? Oh, so they
can slowly take it off throughout the course of the
film so you can see them, you know, regain their youth.
Whether through some witchcraft or scientific remedy. That's what it
makes me think of.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Agreed, It's kind of like the rom com move, which
is such a trope where whenever you see a protagonist
in a rom com who has glasses and her hair
pulled back, you know that she's supposed to be mousey,
no matter how actually beautiful she is. And then gradually
at some point the glasses get removed. It's very I
(10:39):
don't know, somewhat condescending to viewers.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
No, but I see it does feel like the guy
just has a skin care regiment or something. That's what
I'm seeing in the picture.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Yeah, it's called it's called rubbing blood over your face?
Is it not how the blood is administered? This is
not how the blood is administered.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
That's right. They boof it, so they don't poof it.
I see, fellow listeners see, I see the guys shaking
their heads. All right, Well, no, I say we leave
it in.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I was waggling my eyebrows for the record.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Who feeds a funny joke? So and a real thing
that a Supreme Court justice did. So. The interesting thing
about this, the reason when to bring this up, is
because it can make some ephemeral headlines, and then it
can quickly disappear. If you want to read more about this,
(11:30):
do go to blueprint dot Brian Johnson dot coo. Brian
Johnson has an entire website about his As you said, Matt,
his regiment, and his regiment is pretty extensive. It's the
kind of thing that most people cannot afford in terms
(11:51):
of both financial concerns and just the amount of hours
they have in a day. And we run into this
a lot when we see celebrities or when we see
world leaders who who are just absolutely yoked, you know,
or they're ripped, and they're you know, as you said, Matt,
their skin looks great, their hair looks great. It's usually
(12:15):
because they have a team that is entirely paid to
make them look that way. And I think we've all
we've all run into this before, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, I've been investing lately in a regiment of
some time with a personal trainer, literally thirty forty five minutes,
three times a week. And I do this because if
I didn't, I wouldn't work out, I wouldn't go. I
need to be beholden to somebody, and to me, that
is worth the money. But this is like one person
(12:44):
that I'm paying three days a week to work out
with and not and I would not constitute a team.
But you know, we're talking folks that are working with
somebody every day, multiple times. Sometimes they have a live
in person, you know, not to mention hair and makeup
and all of the skincare stuff. I mean, yeah, you're
talking folks that are at the beck and call of
(13:05):
these types of individuals.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
And Matt and I both have, I suspect our own
kind of personal I don't want to call you out, Matt,
but I've got my own personal sort of clock or
schedule of stuff that I do, which has all been
messed up by movie. But there is a world in
which this kind of science or pseudoscience becomes normalized again
(13:33):
if you listen to our Modern Vampires episode. Also, yes,
we know the stuff about Elizabeth Bathory bathing in the
blood of virgins is probably propaganda that was meant to
disenfranchise her in the political sphere of her time. But
if you look at this, what we can see is
that more and more people are going to jump onto this.
(13:58):
They're going to jump onto the idea that this particular
brand of biotech thomaturgy will be somehow beneficial. And without
a long term study of this, we don't know how
it works out. But I would like to go on
record thanking Brian Johnson when we none of us have
(14:22):
ever met, for kind of hacking the idea of a
longitudinal study. You know, it's a three generation study that's
happening in real time. He says that he is now
as a result of Project Blueprint and this blood plasma
transfusion with his son. He is claiming that he has
(14:46):
experienced an epigenetic age reversal of a little over five
years and that he, as a forty five year old
human male, now has quote the heart of a thirty
seven year old and a lifetime ban from the hospital. Kidding, kidding,
that's an old joke. I don't know what do you
(15:06):
guys think, Like, would you this is a question we
posed before, would you consider if it was entirely consensual?
Would you consider this kind of procedure or regimen if
you were in your early fifties or something.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, I don't think so, not for me. I also
don't like needles. Transfusions really freak me out.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
If it's something where if I knew it was going
to help like my one of my parents and some
of their health issues, then I would like advocate for it,
probably for them. But I think unless I found myself
in a situation where it was a real health issue
that I thought could be aided by this process, I
probably wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's a good point. Yeah, I think about that as well.
Like if we're in a situation where I could help
someone who needed help, then of course I would. I
would be first in line. If it was something where
I was asking for help from someone or being kind
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of imperialistic about this, like you, young broke person, give me
your blood, then that feels self aggrandizing, you know. But
then again to your point, Matt, if there is if
there's something where you have perhaps a terminal genetic condition
or a debilitating genetic condition, and some sort of transfusion
(16:35):
could save your life, then it just becomes the bone
marrow donation conversation all over again, right, I think that
makes sense. Anyway, We are not sponsored by vampires or
blood merchants, as I hope they come to be called,
but we do want to hear your thoughts because these
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are some pretty deep questions. Would you do your blood
to an older person that you know if you knew
and could prove that doing so would expand their quality
of life and extend their biological life? Would you take
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blood from someone else if you felt like it would
keep you in your prime for a longer amount of time?
Can't wait to hear from you. We're going to take
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will be back with more strange news.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
All right, and we're back, guys. Before we get into
the story, has anyone tried to log into Netflix today?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
By chance? Not today?
Speaker 4 (17:45):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They put the hammer down?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
They did put the hammer down today as we record
this on Wednesday, May twenty fourth, all those accounts that
you share are the one that you log into.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's sorry, it's over.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Playtime is over, as well as probably Netflix profit share
for at least a time.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So now it's some kind of like two factor situation,
right or like you can, I believe, authorize it on
two of your own devices, but even that requires.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
A little bit of you know, gotta be the same household.
Can't be a phone and a tablet in two different locations.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Watch out, they're coming for you.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
You may have to pay up to twenty dollars a
month if you want premium, I think plus eight dollars
per other household or account or whatever. Anyway, it's gonna
be nuts for a while in the Netflix world. So
we'll see what happens there. But that's not what our
primary story is for this segment. We are going to
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the Indian River County Jail. Indian River County Jail. Your
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, guys, who got a story of a
jail break today, I'll give you the I'll give you
the title here spoil it a little bit. Millionaires elaborate
jail escape plan foiled, Florida sheriff says, and that sheriff
is Indian River County Sheriff Eric Flowers. He gave a
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press conference this past Monday, as we record today about
this situation, this development. Let's say, you guys, know we
I think we all enjoy a good jail escape plan,
especially when it's gone like horribly wrong or incredibly right,
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you know, or is an absolute show. Well, this is
kind of in the middle here a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
There was a rather elaborate escape plan put together by
this person. His name is John Manchek, m A n c.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ch Ec.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
This person has a lot of money, is quite wealthy,
and he basically employed a bunch of people to do
a bunch of things to get him out of jail,
and his plan was to escape to France, where he
has a castle.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And France has quite a track record of not extraditing
known criminals convicted of a specific genre of terrible offense.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Right, well, would that be been?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Well, that would be The proper term is CSAM child
sexual abuse material, sometimes called child pornography. But that's obviously
that's obviously not a great way to describe such a
horrific thing.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Yes, yes, that is the thing that this person, John Manchek,
was attempting to escape because guess what, he's done it before.
He has escaped to France before on charges of those
depictions of horrible images of children. This man is seventy
eight years old, and I don't know, I guess. The
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only fun thing about the stories the escape plan. The
guy is clearly a piece of crap. The man is
charged with some horrible, horrible things, which if true, my god, no,
thank you, go away forever. But he did have some
interesting ideas, Oh god, that sounds horrible to say. He
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put together a real plan. Okay, so let's go over this.
The plan begins with a doctor's appointment where this guy
is supposed to leave the jail where he's being kept
right now before because he hasn't stood trial for these
things yet, right he's just in the jail, he's not
in the prison. Plan is to go out on this
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doctor's appointment, and then some of his associates who are
currently not in prison, would basically accost assault the prison
guards or the jail guards that would be with him.
Plan was to pepper spray them and I guess while
they were incapacitated, abscond with the many eight year old dude,
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and then get in a van, drive that van to
I believe. I think it was either a yacht or
a plane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
A plane and a.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yacht were both involved in this escape plan, get him
to one of those things, set off, and eventually end
up at his castle in France. It just seems insane
to me.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
And and you know, unfortunately, there's the Roman Polansky precedent.
This ap article that you linked us to, Matt shows
that France had previously denied US request for extradition terrible
job France. I can't even I can't even perform sarcasm
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on that. You guys really shit the bag on that one.
But so he escaped once or kind of like weaseled
out once, and then he got arrested again. And this
was his this was his attempt to prison break or
conduct a heist on himself.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yes, I'll go ahead, read you from this AP news
article written by Frida Frizaro on Tuesday, May twenty third.
Manchek was arrested in twenty fourteen on forty nine child
pornography charges. Flowers said he left the country to avoid
prosecution after posting a nearly five hundred thousand dollars bond
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and moved to his This is what it says, medieval
estate in southern France, the Chateau Petregal.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I pulled up the picture of it. I hate to
say it. It is swank.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
It is like the place, the castle or whatever, like
Epstein Island level swank.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Ben's sharing an image with us right now.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Oh boy, let's see it. Yeah, it's very Robin Hoodie.
I mean, you know, like Sheriff of Nottinghamy, you know,
Prince John E.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, is that a parapet Is that what you
would call that?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yes, indeed, we can defend themselves from invading arm and arrows.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
This looks like look at the windows here. This is
built such that you could pour hot oil on evading hords.
Is It's crazy. So this guy is seventy eight years old.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
You just want to add I have a feeling that
the interior is modern and megaswank probably.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh yeah, there are pictures of the interior as well.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But well, let's get back to that time in twenty
fourteen when he was charged with those forty nine counts
and then he escaped to France. France wouldn't do anything.
They would not extrade him even though he's facing those charges. However,
he took a trip to the Dominican Republic in twenty
twenty where he was picked up and sent to Florida,
and that's where he's been. He's been hanging out in
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jail basically waiting for his time in court or whatever,
his trial date and all of that stuff. And he
was quote suffering from chronic medical conditions, which again kind
of led down this lane to developing a plan to
get sent to a doctor's appointment where he he actually
had a couple of people working within the jail. They
were going to assist in the plan. His roommate, I
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guess in jail, his sally. He paid for that guy.
He helped that guy out, gave him a bunch of money,
and then allowed him to stay at his house after
his cellmate got out. And then the cellmate was basically
on the other side of the wall planning this the
rest of the stuff being his fixer or something like that.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
WHNCH goes to, like what you were saying earlier, the
purchase of vehicles, the use of his I think he
already owned the yacht.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right m hm, and a plane in a plane okay.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
And so this person who has not been identified publicly yet,
this this other cellmate, they were they were bought into
the concernspiracy. I assume that they are back in jail.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Oh yes, uh never.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I don't think ever got to leave or even attempt
the escape plan because somebody came forward with an anonymous
tip like, hey, guys, you know that weird old guy,
like really weird old guy. Messed up dude, he's like
trying to get out of prison, and here's the plan.
And there was a cell phone that was recovered or
found I guess discovered. And there are a bunch of
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text messages from this dude mancheck and like going out
to these various parties, and they all use the term
quote paint job when referring to what was going to
go down.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
All right, Yeah, it's a super gross specific case, but
that kind of opsect is common, right.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, And it is interesting that this ap article
and I guess the Sheriff's department refers to his co
conspirators as employees because he literally just had enough money
where he just paid people and they were working for him. Right,
It's like having underlings or something, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Question question for you, Matt. Does that mean that, uh
is the choice to call them employees which is accurate
at the very least of their contractors, right? Does the
choice to call them employees maybe have some legal ramifications?
Like this is entirely speculation on my on my part,
But does that enable them to push further charges or
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something of that need? Maybe I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Well, I also wonder how it affects those individuals, right,
because I don't know the legal arguments for I was
being paid by my employer to do you know, X,
Y and Z preparing the yacht or something.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I had no idea.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Maybe they could argue, I had no idea that it
was actually meant as an escape plan. I thought he
just asked me, you know, he prepares yacht. I thought
he just needed me to refuel his plane.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Or sometimes people want you to buy a van, you
know what I mean. It's a gig a con.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean, it's it's weird how that like positioning it
as employee boss employee relationship kind of thing is very
different than just a co conspirator in a plot to
you know, get this guy out of prison.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I'm still now I'm looking at how he made his fortune.
Aro Shade Technologies a ro O, the leader in sun
protection and light control for aerospace.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
What.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, that's how he That's how he became a multimillionaire.
Oh and the company is still up. They sell like
sun visors for cars and stuff, but their emphasis seems
to be on private planes.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Weird.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Weird dude.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Well, maybe we need to look deeper into this guy
and the company and all that stuff, because there's shades of,
you know, some kind of villain here in a Marvel.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Movie or something. Oh. Absolutely, agreed, and they might not
have caught them at all unless it had not one
of those conspirators come forward.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah, yeah, this would have been a very different story. Today,
a millionaire child exploiter gets to France again for the
second time.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Jesus Christ France. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Oh yeah, I do, I really really do. Okay, Well,
that's it for this segment. We'll be right back with
more strange news.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And we have retired with one more piece of strange news,
this one regarding the genre of Latin American music known
as narco corridos. We've talked about it in our coverage
of cartel violence various subjects, you know, surrounding Mexico and
the US Mexico border. Kind of you know, usually thought
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of as folk song sort of ballads, you know, singing,
maybe not not always the praises, but at the very
least chronicling the exploits of well known drug runners and
drug cartel bosses, criminals, you know, and the narco and
there specifically refers to refers to drugs, you know, and
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drug traffickers. And it's interesting because, you know, if you're
familiar with Mexican drug culture and the history thereof then
you know, of course about Pablo Escobar and Median and
how oftentimes you know, in this country which has very
very poor parts, there is a certain benevolence bestowed upon
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the communities by these drug lords, you know, and so
consequently they are often looked at with a certain amount
of reverence, or at least historically that is the case.
Am I characterizing that right?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I think there's a bit of deification. I mean, obviously
Mexican cartels may cooperate or collaborate with cartels from other countries,
like the Escobar medayin operations, but yeah, there is you know,
it's similar to gangster rap. It's similar to the old
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school ballads glorifying wild West outlaws in the United States.
And I'll say, like, I've been in places where I've
seen those songs played and their kids singing along. It's
like a it's a family event. A lot of them
are catchy. But I think, you know, Nola, you nailed it.
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The lyrics, the message of the music often sort of
commemorates these very messed up things, right. Sometimes the protagonist
of the of the song is portrayed as a person
with a good heart fighting the system which is a
little bit, a little bit sanitized, a little bit airbrushed
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exactly right.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
And then this is a pretty historical concept. I mean
there's even like if you go to any shops Trare
in an area that has sort of like Mexican shops
that sell some of those saint candles and various acutremala
goes on in this one called Jesus Malverde, which is
known as the Angel of the Poor, the Generous Bandit,
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or the narco Saint. And this is an individual who
was actually born in eighteen seventy and died in nineteen
oh nine. So there is this kind of, like you said,
been deification of these folks, and that extends to these
narco corrido songs. And you mentioned gangster rap, and that's
also its own thing that's starting to gain popularity in Mexico.
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The narco curritos are a little bit more kind of
dance music. There are some that are more traditional and
on the folky side. But as we have also discussed
in recent times, was once kind of this white sand beach,
clear blue ocean resort city of Cancun. You know, it
almost was a cliche. You talk about taking your senior
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trip to cancuon spring break, you know, and all that stuff.
It has become more and more dangerous with all of
this cartel violence, and to the point where, you know,
some of the folks that maybe would have considered vacationing
there giving it a second thought. And the government of
Cancun is taking action, but it might not be the
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kind of action that we might believe to be the
most effective in actually curtailing drug violence. Vice news writer
Nathaniel Janowitz recently published an article titled Cancun is banning
narco concerts as violence sores. He specifically refers to a
handful of artists El Commander, Grupo Fairmey l Millionaro, and
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al Lemon, and the last two are actually more or
gangster rap in the gangster rap genre that's kind of
coming up there in Mexico actually gaining some crossover success
here in the States with some I believe Alamon, if
I'm hopefully I'm pronouncing that right has done some collaborations
with be Real of Cyprus Hill and also Snoop Dogg.
Let's start with what's happening specifically with these more traditional
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narco corrido singers who are hugely popular, they are said,
the government is saying that their music is straight up
promoting violence. And you know, we've been through all of
this here in the States, you know, with gangster rap,
with Marilyn Manson, with you know, congressional committees that are
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put together to kind of censor this stuff or at
least create sort of an uproar as to you know,
what this music is doing to the kids. While there
certainly was gang violence in places like New York and
Los Angeles, certainly nothing to the level of the kinds
of cartel massacres, you know, know, and just absolutely atrocious
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acts that we read about happening in Mexico and in
some of the places where drug cartels basically are more
powerful than the government. So it's interesting that the government would,
or specifically the general secretary of the Cancun City Council,
a man by the name of Jorge Aguilar Osario, said
in a video statement on Twitter, quote, we will not
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continue to allow people to promote apologizing for violence. Of course,
you respect freedom of expression, but we cannot continue to
encourage events that promote violence.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Be goes on.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Public shows should not promote any type of violence, and unfortunately,
we have that incidence every time there are these types
of concerts. Have not seen any follow ups in this
article or in other sources that I looked at, citing
specific instances of like how these concerts are the cause
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of the violence. And just to clarify the beginning of
that quote, the idea of apologizing for violence, I believe
this is a translation. I think maybe is sort of
referring to the idea of being a violence apologist, you know,
like sort of justifying violence, and that is often what
happens in some of these songs, particularly one by l Commander,
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who is the author of one of the most kind
of controversial narco credo songs called Sanguinarios del m One,
which translates to m One's bloodthirsty guys. So, I mean,
these songs really and truly do glorify the actions of
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these folks. And oftentimes there's even another genre, kind of
a more specific genre that goes even further in describing
ultra violence perpetrated by some of these gangs, very specific gangs,
and this subgenre is known as move amiento alterrado, and
the Vice article specifically refers to to lyrics describing very
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specific acts of violence against civilians and against enemies of
these gangs, such as beheadings, burning people alive, and things
like that. There's a lyric from al commander that says,
we're the best at making people disappear. Always in a caravan,
all my homies well armored, armed and ready to execute.
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On the one hand, it is a challenge to freedom
of speech. On the other hand, desperate times call for
desperate measures. I kind of just wanted to bring it
to the group, you know, like, is this a situation
where it is appropriate to limit speech? Is this hate speech?
Is this speech inciting in a way that's somehow different
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than the gangster rap of the nineties, you know, in
the uproar around that, or things like Marilyn Manson and
death Metal supposedly causing violent actions, etc.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Exactly. Yeah, well, I guess yes, that's a great question.
So to respond to that, one of the things we
would I think it's smart to look at precedents and
other cultures. We should also acknowledge, without casting aspersion on
the authorities in Cancun, that it is much easier to
ban a concert and entertainment genre than it is to
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address the systemic causes of the horrors perpetrated by the cartels,
or the reason that the drug traffic trade became so profitable,
so powerful in the first place. And look again, as
I said earlier, I am very much in a class house.
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Here bump some narco corrido stuff, just like I bumped
some activist rap that might be found controversial. Right in
the world of hip hop, you know, immortal technique is
not for everybody, as we can confirm, and there are
there is this history in the world of music and
entertainment of this idea of speaking truth to power. Right,
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But with all that, with all those coveats, you know,
it does sound like from what you're telling us, based
with this vice article, it does sound like the authorities
are acting, as you said, out of kind of a desperation.
Maybe the cartels are too powerful to fight, so let's
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not I mean, Also, these are politicians, right, No one
wants a brutal attack on tourists to occur under their
watch if they could have prevented it. So logically, whatever
the motivation may be, it does make sense, right, like
do what you can, I.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Suppose so, and again I'd like to hear a little
and maybe it's irrelevant I'd like to hear a little
bit more about some of the specific acts that are
being referred to by the folks in charge that are
banning these concerts. Get it, Maybe it is sort of
like putting their foot down on as much as they
can and not spreading, you know, an ideology that they
disagree with or one that that goes, you know, against
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their notions of peace and nonviolence. You know, there's another
the governor of another kind of beachfront area nearby, Quintana
Rouze the name of the town, and MARAA. Lizama is
the person saying this, we promote peace, a culture of
values and family, non violence and the rejection of destructive attitudes.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
So I get.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I mean, you know, it's sort of a symbolic act,
I think.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
More than anything symbolic or performative.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That's the thing though, right to me, it's a little
I'm leaning towards I'm trying to give them the benefit
of the doubt by using the word symbolic, because these
things do have power, but they're not gonna they're not
gonna do anything. They're just gonna piss the cartel people
off more of anything.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Well, a lot of those again just you know what,
I'll say it. Some people make it mad, but a
lot of the like so called gangster rap, called gangster
hip hop and so on, those folks aren't the real people.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know, Freeway, who is an amazing lyricist, is not
the same as Freeway Rick Ross, and the most popular
Rick Ross in that musical genre used to work in
the prison system on the staff. Like these folks are
they are entertainers, they're barred, they are performers. And we
see a lot of the well known narco corrido artist saying, hey,
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we're just entertaining. We are creating something enjoyable. People are
paying us a ticket price and we want to make
good on that. There's a great quote in this article
you found well by one of the more prominent entertainers
in the genre, a Laman, and a Laman I think
Alaman makes a very valid point about the wholesomeness or
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the community and the entertainment value of the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, and again, this guy's more on the gangster rapp
tip of this whole debate here. So you could argue, well,
let's let's just hear it from directly from him, and
this is what he argues. At my shows there are
children who always get on stage to break dance with me.
We come to have a good time and not hurt anyone.
I've always spoken to them and my songs about getting ahead,
looking for success, looking for a better quality of life. Truthfully,
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I feel that this law that they have here is
imposed against freedom of expression.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So there you go, And.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
A question that will come up in one of our
future episodes about books spoiler alert. When you ban one
kind of music, you ban one song, does it not
open a door to banning everything else.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Any of The short of answer is yes, yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Matt.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Do you have any anything to add before we close
out this one?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
I had so many thoughts you guys, but my network
got taken out by the hackers.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
No, just joking, it's just one of them.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
But no, I'm kind of leaning towards stuff. The Ben
was saying about it being more of a gesture than
anything else, but it is competing profit motives, right. All
the people were talking about the places that want to
ban the music. They want tourism, They need those tourist dollars.
They need it to be safe, they need it to
feel safe more than anything right, got to feel safe,
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and if they can somehow reduce some surface level thing
that might give someone coming in pause, then yeah, they're
probably gonna do it and continue to do that kind
of thing.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
And just you know, let's be clear, we're not talking
about hundreds of American and European tourists being you know,
executed on mass I think there's another story on a
Vice by Jeff ERNs. The headline says it all Narco
Hittman on jet skis sprayed at Cancun Beach with bullets,
killing two people. And I've read about the death of
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Los Angelino and a European individual I believe, And so
you know, we're not talking about massive amounts of casualties here,
but that doesn't matter because one or two is going
to be enough to make people change their vacation plants.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
And so to ban these events.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
May to your point, Matt, feel more like.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
The illusion of safety.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Are that where you don't support all this, See we're
banning these shows, therefore everything's cool, But it doesn't necessarily
mean everything's cool, and nothing you can do is going
to stop the cartels from doing what the cartels are
going to do. Sort of like all out war, and
frankly they're more armed than the government.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
In some cases, For me, it's an illusion of fear
and an illusion of safety.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Right, it's very much just.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
Where you are going to be and what you're doing,
often right, except for a very rare chance where that's
when you're in danger.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But I think it was most deef who said there's
hunger in the streets and it's hard to defeat. Some
steal for fun, but more steel to eat. Usually when
there's an operation targeting the vulnerable, right, it is is
it is a profit motive, or in some cases it
is to send an ideological message. It is true that
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murders and acts of violence robbery have accelerated in parts
of Mexico, but that is also true in many other
parts of the world. And sometimes US media gets this
wrong because they love to they love to be fearmongers
about any other sort, any sort of other I should say,
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but I think this is a really interesting conversation. Maybe
something we continue in an episode.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I certainly think so, and thank you both for your
thoughtful responses. But yeah, I think that that's a good
place to put a pin in this one for now,
and hopefully we can dig a little deeper in a
future episode.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Also again, some Narco Corrido songs absolutely objectively slap and
music has always been Music has always been a way
for society to hold a mirror to itself, as is
the role of all art. We can't wait to hear
what you think, folks. Tell us more about prison escapes
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