In this week's Strange News segment: a Canberra resident gets a world record for being the loudest guy ever. A retelling of previous conversations about non-US people encountering a condiment known as ranch. Data centers and detainment centers encounter public backlash. Write to Ben, Matt, and Noel, and remember: your response to a weekly segement may inform an actual Episode in the future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Name is Noaa, the coleby Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
If you are tuning in to our strange news program
the Evening, it publishes Welcome to June twenty ninth, twenty
twenty six. And what better way to celebrate than with
a clip of something amazing that happened something you guys ready.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, yeah, all right, here we go, oh yeah, oh yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
There's no way that you can actually practice for it.
You have to just payment for the day, especially with
the world records attempts.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So we're going to have pause there, you guys, there
is a new Gettis world record that I think we
will all enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It goes to.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
A town crier in Canberra who is now officially the
world's loudest person, clocking in at one and twenty two
point four decibels.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So, first off, I'm so glad that the occupation or
hobby maybe of town crier still exists. And I have questions.
One is to what end? What is this gentleman crying about,
or you know, in respect to is he shouting out
of the news of the day as in the days
of your What are we talking here, Ben? This is
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exciting news?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh yeah, this is a big shout out to our
pal and hopefully fellow conspiracy realist fifty eight year old
professional ac HVAC guy Joseph mcgrail betup, who is now
he's been an honorary town crier for a minute. He
has been recognized as the world's loudest person, specifically for
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yelling the word now n ow.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
This makes me immediately think of that toast of London's
Cat where he's like saying just the one word and
I believe it's yes, yes. How hard can it be?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's just one word, that's great, toasts, can you give
it to us one more time?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And then he just eventually goes into an existential tail
spin around the word yes, and it starts to of
course lose all its meaning as I imagine the word now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Could yes, yeah, yes, he's saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
hear you, hear you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's his version of it. He is not using the
word now his groundbreaking vocalization, because he said he had
to practice it for several days and it ruined his
voice for several days afterwards. But somehow, some ways, sometimes,
just like Joseph said, you got to make your voice heard.
(03:30):
We always love to begin on a positive note.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Just needs a vocal coach, Yeah, coach.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I almost think it doesn't count if you blow your
whole vocal voice out. You know what I mean. It's
it should be about longevity, it should be about endurance,
you know.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, Well, we got to take it up with Guinness
and check out our Ridiculous history episode on why we
love the Guinness Book of World Records and why we
also understand they're maybe not the most accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And why we love from the drink. Do you if
you've ever wanted to see what it's like to drink bread? Yeah, yeah,
I like drinking bread. No, I do not love a Guinness,
but I like that it exists for the people who
do like it, and I do like shaking the cans.
We can hear the little little think in the bottom.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, And it's actually I thought guinness was trash for
a long time until I went to Ireland and it
blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Is it more bread like there or less?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's it's it's a better version of drinkable bread. But
it's so heavy. It's like one would take me an
hour and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know. That's that's in general.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You guys like cold coffee, right, like iced coffee, like right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Now, my co producer, Yeah, cheers guys.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, now, to be fair, Matt, I like my iced
coffee very milky and sweet. So I'm not a hard
black coffee drinker over here.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I got to where we going with this one.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, I prefer a dark, unsweetened roast that is chilled,
and for for my money, Guinness extra stout is like
the equivalent of that that bitterness that you get that
I could.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
See it a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It makes sense because that also, if not guinnis in specific,
it does harken back to the time when people were
always kind of inebriated because it was safer to drink
meat or wine or weak beer that it was to
drink water due to all the bacteria and contaminants, nasty boys.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's what's that Dave Matthews bandsung don't drink the water
is about?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Okay, well, we're going to make it podcast true right now.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And we're also in that case, there was blood in
the water.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
There was blood in the water, and then he scats
for fifteen minutes and then poops off a bridge. Well
that didn't come directly out of the man's but but it,
but it was. He contributed to it. He definitely contributed
to the payload.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
So we have we have so much to get to
the rise of Super El Nino. We've got to talk
about some good news from data centers, which again we
love positive news. Uh, there's Ninja Academy. Uh, there's, of course,
there's the Ranch stuff that I think Noel we mentioned
on a recent episode of Ridiculous History.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
We definitely did. This is a bit of an update
by way of the Craft brand.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Oh so why don't we pause for a word from
our sponsors and get right into it for all the
Ranch lovers.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And we have returned and been I could have sworn
we talked about this Ranch World Cup situation on this
show as well. But I think you might be right.
It came up just in passing on an episode of
Ridiculous History where we talked about all of the delightful
accounts that you know, soccer fans from the world over
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are posting about their experience with various American cities, and
one of those involved folks just discovering and falling in
love with the condiment sauce dressing way of life that
is ranch. And Ben, I know you did, and you've
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mentioned this in the past. An episode of a television
a video series we used to do back in our house,
Stuff Works Day, is called Stuff of Genius about the
creation of ranch and and how that came to be.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, and we've talked about it various shows as well NOL,
including our sister show, The Late Saver, hosted by Addie
Reese and Lauren Vogelbaum, both erstwhile guest here on Stuff
they Don't want you to know. It's a funny story,
it's very American. Essentially, a guy was working as a
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chef in Alaska and had to create dressing based on
the ingredients available. He came up with what we call ranch.
He went down to the lower forty eight and tried
to start a dude ranch, like what's that? What's that
one with Billy Crystal City Slickers, But it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Also breaks to mind, hey dude from Nickelodeon.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, like these dude ranches were a big deal back
in the day. You would go like you would get
your podcast bros. And you go to a ranch and
you spend a long weekend doing ranch farm stuff, riding
your horses, kicking around. And the Kalich turned out their ranch,
which was named Hidden Valley, became more popular for its
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dressing and their dude ranch like riding horses, hanging out stuff.
That part of the business didn't work out, but now
we have the legendary and controversial ranch. It's not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
What doth a ranch make or what make a ranch dof?
Buttermilk is butter, butter and seasoning, right, It's got some
some seasonings in it to give it that that well,
it's kind of almost like a yeah, buttermilk, I could
see that, but it definitely has a sort of savory
I mean, it's hard to put your finger on really
is kind of what it amounts to. Because I think
of like a you know, sour cream potato chip and
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to me, that's kind of the vibe of a ranch,
but I guess they're there. And again, is that that
whole buttermilk of it all that the tartness. In any case,
ranch has become a bit of a phenomenon, but not
one that always translates worldwide, right It's it is kind
of one of those things where if you go into
like Asian grocery stores, for example, you're not going to
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see a lot of ranch dressing because it is or
like peanut butter. Just so, however, it would seem that
some folks when they come over here, they've heard of
this mythical you know, creamy substance, and they give it
a try, dip a carrot in it perhaps, and they're like, gosh,
I love this stuff so much. I want to bring
this back to my home country, wherever that might be.
And so they pack a bunch up in their bags,
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only to realize that the old TSA is there to
shatter their dreams of introducing ranch to the rest of
the world, because of course they have those pesky fluid
ounce limits, and it turns out you can't just you know,
bring you know, unlimited containers of ranch back with you.
And this is happening to the point where it's kind
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of become a bit of a joke, and people are
when notified of this when it's too late. Obviously they've
got those you know what do you call it, those
little bends that you can dump out your water bottle
that you accident your last chance trash can, last chance
trash can well some people, but teams are loving it
so much they're rather than dump it out or throw
it away, they're chugging it. They're chugging it right there
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at security. Right it makes you throw up in your
mouth a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now, Nol, are these regular type World Cup travelers or
these influencers looking for a quick piece of short form content?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know, Ben, it's a really good point. I'm not
one hundred percent sure, but I do know that TSA
has responded with a statement or a I guess a
plea to World Cup travelers. Please don't chug Ranch at
airport security, they say, and so TSA and releasing this
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statement kind of made Ranch Dressing a bit of a
diplomatic hero. They had this to say in an Instagram post.
One World one Ranch who knew dip lomacy could be
achieved through addressing. Maybe that's a dressing pun. I'm not sure.
The obvious ranch is the king of condiments. The world
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is slowly discovering. Ranch pairs perfectly with pizza, chicken, wings, fries,
onion rings, case ideas. That one's for you, ben crackers, chips, vegetables,
and the list. It just keeps going. Are you kicking
around the idea of flying home with your favorite dip?
If you're traveling within the US, make sure to keep
your carry on sauces to three four ounces or less
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and place any larger containers in your checked bags. Some
heroes wear capes, others bring ranch. Now you thought maybe
they were going to go with wear ranch, and that
would be appropriate if you are in fact chugging the
sauce at security, because you might end up wearing some
of them.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Quick grow tip, folks, you can also, and I would
argue you should. After getting too deep in the badgers
with this one, I argue you should look into the
powdered form of ranch that you make at home. It's
usually going to be better than the shelf stable stuff.
And I don't think the TSA will stop you. But
we cannot speak to security in other countries. I love it,
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though I love a punt from the TSA. What was
that addressed?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was gonna recommend, specifically Kinder's Ranch dip, and it
is a powder that you can get in the TSA.
Hopefully isn't going to stop you, although customs might exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I think I've mentioned it before before I was
hip to all these limits. I got some really delightful
hot sauces confiscated from you. Wi't ever make that mistake again,
but never put it past a brand to take advantage
of a news item like this. So the update here
is that Craft, the purveyors of fine of mediocre food products,
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cheese products and of course ranch dressing, have decided to
take on this issue in the form of a kit.
Craft pounces on World Cup ranch graze with TSA approved
travel kits after the agency tells visitors to avoid chugging
the dressing. This is from a Piece and Fortune by
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Catherine Giono. The twenty twenty six FIFA World Cup has
delivered surprises on and off the pitch. For one, it's
well known for being an expensive event, brought about via
the instruction of dynamic pricing. That's a whole other discussion.
Into the world sport, but it's also bringing about a
new sense of community, thanks in part to cities like
New York offering free watch parties or even school buses
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to the stadiums disconnected from public transportation. In addition to
the hat tricks and scissor kicks dominating this year's tournament,
there's one unexpected breakout star and that's ranch dressing. As
a Swedish x user posted, why did no one tell
me ranch sauces like crack? It's like crack Europe we
need ranch asap? With tons of replies flooding in from
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Americans kind of being like Ranch, Really, you think it's
that good?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
It's read solo cups all over again.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It does. It does appear to be the case. So
on June nineteenth, it would appear that the Craft Company
unveiled a limited edition TSA compliance Ranch kit, specifically designed
for travelers. They announced it just days after the TSA
addressed this trend. It is a first of its kind package,
including a clear TSA approved court sized bag. By the way,
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we haven't even talked about this. Ranch can of course
come in powdered form that you then mix to make
your own ranch. Enough Ranch packets to equal a standard
bottle and then some and a ranch bottle inspired luggage
tag for fans who want to show their allegiance on
the go.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, what's the dressing that MESSI uses when he eats salads?
Is it Ranch? Because you know, after his astonishing performance
so far, Hidden Valley and Craft and Chlorox and all
those other brands will pay him millions of dollars just
for one photograph with a bottle of Ranch. Must be nice,
(15:53):
Must be nice? We hold, we do those photos. We
send them to each other offline folks, because we say
hang out a lot in person, and we have never been.
I don't know. I haven't checked the group chat recently,
but I don't think any of us got millions of
dollars for the weird branded photos we send each other.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh no, not yet. I'm still waiting on my check.
But speaking of footballers, another story that I came across
concerning the World Cup involves a curse against Harry Kane,
a World Cup soccer player, from a witch from Ghana.
And I love this headline. It's the most British headline
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you can imagine. It's so proper. Footballer Harry Kane is
cursed by Ghana witch. England World Cup draw sparks fuss. Earlier,
a Ghana football fan was seen at the court blowing
a white substance that allegedly drove his team to victory
during their match against Panama on June eighteenth, which ended
with Ghana's victory. But this time a rumor has spread
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that another witch doctor has cursed one of England's most
important team players. The England versus Ghana match took place
at Boston Stadium known as Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.
The Group L match was held on Tuesday, June twenty third,
and the teams played to a zero to zero draw.
A Ghanian witch has claimed he has placed a curse
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on England footballer Harry Kane ahead of their World Cup match,
saying his supernatural powers will be enough to stop the
striker from hurting the Ghanian team.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And that that practitioner of the arts is named I
believe little Nana Puacu bon Sam.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That's right, that's right, Nanu Quacku Bonsam, who has previously
claimed to cause run the very famous footballer Cristiano Ronaldo's
twenty fourteen knee injury through spiritual mechanictions say he's once
again up to his old tricks. In an effort to
help his team triumph over England. Bonsam claimed that he
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placed a curse on the striker in a June twentieth interview,
and during the match the footballer did in fact miss
a chance to score the match winning goal against Ghana.
But whether or not this is witchcraft at play or
just good old fashioned bad luck is up to anybody's guests.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Do we have a statement from FIFA?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
No, I don't think. I don't think FIFA has dangered
to comment on that. Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'd love it if they pulled a TSA and did
a pun ridden post about the dangers of the dark
arts in sports.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
All these folks visiting the US for the first time
becoming so excited about ranch because they're encountering all of
these deeply fried, deeply cheesy foods that Americans so enjoy,
and we just smother them and further mayonnaise based sauces,
and you just, good God. I feel so bad for
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everybody going home like five pounds ten pounds heavier.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Having to eat regular people food. Right, we are the
land of excess and we have a connection to waffle House.
I kind of want to walk to write to waffle
House corporate and say, hey, you all should have every
restaurant permanently occupied by an astonished German or a bufuddled
British guy because I love those beams.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, you know what they don't have at waffle House?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Do tell ranch ranch what not? Really you got to
it's b yo r.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I guess that's true. They do have those big old
Mayo packets, but that just need't the same as That's.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Like saying tartar sauce is the same as Mayo.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You know what's funny. There was a long period of
my life where I did not I despise Mao in
any form, and I also despised pickles, and yet I
always quite enjoyed a tartar sauce, which is those two
ingredients combined.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Some people hate tomatoes, but they love ketchup.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's true, and they love a spaghette. And then last
thing for me today, guys, I did see a story
that claimed that the Norwegian was speaking to your point, Matt,
about all of the fried you know, foods and you
know kind of gross additive written things that we hear
thrive on in the States. There was a story that
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I saw that claim the Norwegian team had imported one
thousand plus pounds of their own food and ingredients, as
well as bringing their own chefs the US to avoid
the American diet. However, Snopes seems to have labeled this
as mixed. So what is true is the Norwegian men's
national soccer team did bring three chefs and some food
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ingredients such as fish, because as we know the Norwegians,
they love their fish. They have some of the best
fish in the world, salmon, et cetera, in order to
prepare some of these ingredients or mix them with other
things that they maybe would acquire here. However, what has
faulted They found no evidence of the team took chefs
and ingredients specifically to avoid eating American food. The team
imported only some select ingredients and used some local produce,
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suggesting they were not attempting to avoid eating American food.
What is undetermined is the number, which was two thousand
pounds of food that this post claimed. In a June
twenty twenty six post circulated online, the claim that the
Norwegian men's national soccer team took two thousand plus pounds
of food and their own chefs in order to avoid
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eating trash American food. And Instagram video claimed that the
Norwegian team took three hundred kilos of fish, one hundred
and sixteen kilos of national Norwegian brown cheese, which I
believe is called khost a key toast or something like that,
and six thousand oranges to serve two players by a
team of three chefs at their camp in Greensboro, North Carolina.
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The account wrote, team Norway refuses to eat American food
for the World Cup. So it would seem that this
is only partially true if and certainly not to the
alarmist degree that the post would have you think. But
it certainly there is some truth to the fact that
food in the States certainly does not measure up to
the quality of food available, you know, in mass quantities
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in other countries.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, but it's unctuous, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Sure it is. Well, that's it for me, guys. I
think we should take a quick word from our sponsor
and then come back with more strange news.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And we've returned, gentlemen, let me take you back. The
year is nineteen hundred and ninety three. The biggest video
game system in my world was the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.
There was a game. It's near and dear to me.
It currently sits in the original box on the wall
behind me, a little game called star Fox.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yes, it looking looking forward to everybody looking forward to it.
The repackage or it's more than a remaster.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's like a remake, right, yeah, if you haven't been
paying attention, as I have not been paying attention, and
I just saw the news about it just now as
we're recording. We're recording, by the way, on Wednesday, June
twenty fourth. As of tomorrow, the twenty fifth of June
twenty twenty six, Starfox will be available for the Nintendo
Switch to and it looks better. It looks incredible. It
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looks like the same game, and it makes you wonder. Oh,
I guess that's why star Fox showed up as a
little cameo in the latest Super Mario movie, Super Mario Galaxy.
Makes sense. Nintendo, we see what you're doing there with
all your marketing. Good job, good job, because you've officially
stoked my nostalgia. Though I don't have your system, so
(23:36):
I won't be buying your game.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Haha.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Take that all right, let's jump to actual news, you
guys coming to us from Atlanta. First News written by
Doug Reardon June eighteenth, twenty twenty sixth. Social Circle ice
site canceled following months of controversy. What does anybody remember
on this show when we were talking about a little
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town called Social Circle and a giant freaking ice facility,
a detention center that was being planned and built and
worked on by the federal government, while the city of
Social Circle kind of stood back and said, what in
the heck is going on?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, the biggest ever in history? It would have been,
I mean it was. It was insanely massive. And we
talked about this in respect to private prisons and like
what are they building in there? Kind of talk, and
like how would this play into a much more nefarious
version of the whole rounding up and you know, disappearing
people of it? All? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
M hmm, Well, it came to all of our attention
all of a sudden last year when the Washington Post
reported on it, and literally the town of Social Circle
was like, wait, when the heck's happening?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Who?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Who? Where?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
When?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It's crazy. The Department of Homeland Security, according to the
Washington Post back then late last year, they said they
were planning a site with a capacity somewhere between five
thousand and ten thousand human beings, just to keep the
in detention for as long as necessary, I suppose. And
this is the weird part. Guys, the Social Circle officials,
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the city planning folks, all of those guys on the board,
all the people that make the decisions, they were opposing
the project, which is really interesting. A lot of times
we've been hearing stories about small town governments welcoming this
kind of thing in like detention centers, the data centers,
because there is such an influx of usually federal dollars
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that come through or private dollars that come through, and
to the tune of hundreds of thousands, if not millions
in taxes that the local government is going to get
to collect and you know, potentially moneies that they're going
to get to make, depending on, you know, in different ways.
In this case, Social Circle is saying, no, we don't
want that. Our infrastructure of this tiny little city. We
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only have the infrastructure for five thousand human beings. That's
the number of residents we have right now. Why didn't
the federal government contact us, which they said they did
not very very crazy. The mayor of Social Circle, David
Taylor at the time, was saying he was learning everything
through the media, so when a news story would come out,
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he would find out the information, which is again not
how we imagine things work in these spheres. But thankfully
this thing isn't going to be making its way to
Social Circle. However, the federal government DHS continues to own
the property, and they are saying that they will be
offering it to other federal agencies before possibly selling it
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to a private investor or a private corporation of some sort.
So I guess a little bit of good news. I
don't know if you guys remember a little while back
I mentioned a giant facility very similar to that one
in Social Circle that popped up near where I currently live.
There was a million square feet that's a facility, that's
a million square feet, and it looked as though all
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of the signs had been taken down for this thing.
It looked like there was no activity, and then all
of a sudden, there was a ton of construction on
the facade on the front of it, and I was wondering,
what the heck it was well found out what it was. Guys.
It's a furniture store. It's a million square foot furniture store.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Sometimes you have to have big furniture. I like the
idea of it not being you know, tens of thousands
of chairs and automans and tables. I like it being
ten really huge couches.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, that would be awesome, just stacked up on one another. Well,
in this case, it's some company that I had never
heard of before, called the Living Spaces. And the crazy
thing is, y'all, maybe it's because I'm being geo targeted
because of where I live. But if I go on
YouTube or Instagram or any of the social media apps
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right now, I am being bombarded with messaging with ads
for this place, for this Living Spaces company, like they're everywhere.
They will not go away. And I keep trying to
do things like signing out of different accounts to not
see it. But it's just because I'm using the Internet
in this place, even though they're just like, well, I
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have tried it with a VPN and that seemed to
function when it thinks I'm you know, further up the
East coast or something. Yeah, yeah, well I've never done
that But the crazy thing is, I can't fathom a
company that could look at a one million square foot
facility and think, oh, that's perfect. We sell furniture. That's perfect.
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But it is one of those business models where they
sell furniture out of maybe a third of it, and
then the rest is just storage for all of the furniture,
and then they use it as a distribution hub, which
I guess is smart. Probably an old business model I
just don't know about. Anyway, onto the actual news, guys,
there's so much I wanted to talk about. We're gonna
have time for. I would recommend everyone and their brother
(29:01):
and their sister, and their mom and their uncle and
their dog all read a piece from Ours Technica written
by Jennifer Ullette maybe O U E L L E.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
T t E. A journalist we've mentioned in the past,
by the way, excellent work.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Amazing. I was unaware of that she wrote this on
June twenty third, twenty twenty six. The title is how
to Burst the AI Bubble Colon Strike at its Roots,
and it's an interview with a fellow named Cory Doctorow,
who is a science fiction writer. He's a journalist, was
with Boing Boying for quite a while. If anybody remembers
(29:37):
Boing Boying, he wrote the book in Shitification, Why Everything
Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do about It. He's
written a new book titled The Reverse Centaur's Guide to
Life After AI, and boy, is this an interesting interview
with a fellow that seems to really understand what's happening
as someone who has had a lot of experience, not
(30:00):
not experience in the financial financial sector, as in working
at banks and hedge funds and those kinds of things,
but been in the ecosystems where those entities function and
how they function and what they need to survive and
thrive and all that stuff, as well as somebody who
is really paying attention to the AI sector. It's crazy.
(30:21):
Here's the concept, guys, that really got me going. As
part of the interview, Jennifer's talking about automation theory, which
is something Corey Doctor, the author, is basically basing the
title of his book on, and the premise of his book.
It describes a centaur as a human augmented with some
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technology like machine learning, like a vehicle, a car that
you can drive, like a simple thing like autocomplete on
your phone when you're typing a text something like, it's
a tool that a human being is using. The human
being is in control. The idea of the top part
of a centaur, right being human That human is in control. Look,
(31:04):
if you think about a centaur, the horse body moves
for the human because the brain is up there causing
those legs to move in this reverse centaur thing. Here's
a quote. It's a machine head on a human body,
a person who is serving as a squishy meat appendage
for an uncaring machine. And it's a very it's a
(31:28):
super thoughtful, scary concept. Just about how many of these
folks in the upper echelons, especially in the C suites,
who are imagining human beings functioning as reverse centaurs. The
example that's given in this article is an Amazon delivery driver,
and essentially that human being being an appendage of a
(31:54):
simple appendage that makes that vehicle move and get to
where it needs to go. But ultimately the important thing
is that vehicle in its contents, that's like the thing
that is truly driving everything. The human being is just
making it function. Like the centaur's legs.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Just an appendage of a larger organism or mechanism.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, but man, this thing goes deep. And I wanted
to read so much about highlated almost everything, but I
don't want to do too much of this. He calls
AI the asbestos in the walls of our technology society,
just with wild abandoned by a finance sector and tech
(32:35):
monopolists run a muck. We will be excavating it for
a generation or more.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, yeah, and that's another one of those things where
it's like this miracle material that they didn't really do
the research on fully, you know, in terms of like
future down the road, knock on consequince.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yes, oh, yes, Well, he says, when the AI investment
maye a halts, most of the model are going to
disappear because it won't be economical to keep the data
centers running. The collapse of the AI bubble is going
to be ugly. There are seven AI companies currently accounting
for more than a third of the stock market. There
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are seven AI companies that currently account for more than
a third of the stock market, and they endlessly pass
around the same ten billion dollar IOU to each other
to keep pumping and pumping and pumping and pumping. There's
just going and shortification is primarily a thesis about how
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firms in the absence of constraint get tilted to the bad,
but it's also a thesis about how the constraint of
competition when it falls away, produces all kinds of perverse outcomes.
One of these perverse outcomes is that firms that have
saturated their markets can no longer grow, and they have
to find other markets. There's a ticking time bomb when
you saturate your market, because it's only a matter of
(33:56):
time until investors start to worry that you are not
a growth stock. You're a mature stock. Immature stocks traded
a small fraction of the multiple that growth stocks do.
Firms with growth stocks can grow by typing zeros, whereas
firms that are mature have to actually use money if
they want to grow. And you're not allowed to make
(34:16):
money on the premises anymore because if you do that,
you get taken to jail by the federal government, as
we saw in n Ron's case.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Unless you know you're the president.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love this, he says. It's
this is the last quote from this. I'll move on
guys here.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That's why those firms started promoting stories about how they
were going to conquer imaginary markets. Imaginary markets have no
agreed upon valuation because you can just make them up.
Unless you can turn an imaginary market into a real
market pretty quickly, you need to come up with another
imaginary market and announce that, oh, no, no, no, this
(34:59):
this is the new imaginary market that we're going to conquer.
It's easier than you'd think because the capital markets have
the object permanence of a toddler, so you can say, oh, actually,
it's not metaverse, it's crypto. No, no, no way, it's
not crypto, it's Web three. No, it's not Web three,
it's something else, and the markets will forgive you, provided
(35:20):
you do it quickly enough. Anyway, guys, this is just
a huge, terrifying thing. But at the same time, I
think it's real and it's happening, and we need to
be aware of it and begin taking steps to shield
ourselves however we can, from the inevitable collapse and fallout
of the AI thing as it implodes in on itself.
One last thing, guys, I saw a little story as
(35:42):
while ago, as on June ninth. It was out of people.
It was written by Angelique Brene or bre Nes. It's
about a Minnesota restaurant, y'all, that stopped charging money for
food items on their menu. They stopped charging any money
for all of their food. They said donations only. And
it has effectively turned this fairly small restaurant that was
(36:06):
once called Modern Times, which is now called Postmodern Times.
It's turned it into a food kitchen of sorts for
folks who need food but can't afford it, as well
as a place to make a donation if you do
have means and money and you want to support a cause.
In this case, it's an anti ice cause. That's I mean,
ultimately what it is if you look at the words
(36:27):
of the founder and the owner operator of Postmodern Times.
But what an interesting business model donating money to support
a cause, whatever that cause is, and part of that
cause is to help folks who are in need. H
They say they're doing better than ever now post pandemic,
(36:49):
because I think they were. The quote was they were
up to ten percent profitability right before the pandemic and
then struggled through the pandemic as every other restaurant right
did it. They are now making more money than they
have in a long time through this donation thing and
they're giving away thousands of meals, thousands and thousands of meals.
(37:10):
It's pretty incredible cool stuff. You can check out their
website Modern Times mpls dot com. Check it out. All right,
that's it for me, guys. We'll be right back afterward
from our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And we have returned. Folks, Welcome to the last act
of our strange news program. You have probably heard about
the rise of something called super El Nino. Hey, guys,
this is something that is I want to make it
about myself. I hope everybody is worried about climate change.
(37:52):
We know that the meteorological boffins are predicting some strong
to historic El Nino events in twenty twenty six. And
so for a bit of quick background for anybody who
is not a weather nerd like us, El Nino is
(38:14):
our street name basically for the El Nino Southern oscillation.
It's a global phenomenon that evolves sea surface temperatures of
winds over the tropical Pacific Ocean, and it could have
wide ranging effects, just like in previous eras of human civilization,
(38:36):
where a volcanic eruption could throw the world into darkness.
So for all our European conspiracy realists. You know, we've
received a lot of excellent correspondence regarding how dangerous and
tricky the weather is getting at this point. So thank
you for writing into conspiracy adiheartradio dot com. Please keep
(38:59):
them coming. We are happy to report that. You know,
back when we started this show, even before we got
on YouTube, back when we're video show, climate change was
still being treated as somewhat speculative or as a conspiratorial
(39:19):
branch of thought, and that was because of a conspiracy
on behalf of a lot of very powerful countries. Do
you guys remember when climate change used to be a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Well, it's still kind of a line that the current
administration uses from time to time. The Chinese hoax, I
mean that's what that's the words, that's their words. I
mean they're always talking to Trump in particular, is always
saying how climate change is a Chinese hoax.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, and this is all my setup to a story
that I hope everybody checks out. You can see our
past episodes on.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
The Heated debate.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Heated debate keep it regarding climate change. Now, it is
an acknowledged fact for the majority of the planet because
people are seeing real world effects and people have people
in power have started finally listening to the scientists and
the experts I quoted previously.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Who were right the entire time.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And the good news is these folks are teaming up.
There was going to be a huge climate change event
on extreme heat that recently got canceled due to and Max,
I can't wait for the sound queue here, due to
extreme heat. This is coming to us from the Independent
(40:45):
courtesy of the journalist Maria buttz Butt. This climate event
was supposed to occur in London, you guys, it was
all about extreme heat. A lot of people, especially in
Western Europe, grew up without ever kneeding an air conditioner,
(41:06):
right because of the latitude. It just didn't get hot
enough to need it. But now, as we know, for
several years, people have been died during the summer months.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Just on that note, Ben, we talked to some friends
in Worthing. It's kind of near Brighton in southeastern kind
of yeah, southeastern UK, and they're right on the water
and they have never had air conditioning in their house before,
and they're a little bit older, and they are literally
(41:36):
everybody in town is just suffering through this insanity and
like on a daily basis, just trying to get through,
especially folks who are older, who have health problems already.
It's insane. It's like apocalypse level stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
It very much is matt And we also know that
not just the people are aging across actually across Western Europe,
but also the buildings and the structures in which they
live are incredibly aged. To make it fancy and Shakespearean.
This event was going to be called or is called
(42:15):
Extreme Heat Improving Governance and Strengthening Action around the World.
It was going to take place at the London School
of Economics. If you haven't had the chance to visit,
please do check it out. There are some nice restaurants
in the area as well. But they had to cancel
this because the met Office in like the eleventh hour,
(42:36):
issued what they call a red weather warning for all
of Greater London, the London metro area, and they said,
don't go outside if you don't have to. The temperatures
are going to reach forty degrees celsius. Please stay indoors.
And for all our fellow Americans wondering what that means,
(42:57):
temperature wise, forty degrees cells is one hundred and four
degrees in freedom units remain indoors.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Man. There was a story that I missed that had
to do with the remaining indoors where four hundred hives
of bees crashed out of a truck in Texas and
the authorities told people to remain indoors. I just thought
i'd mentioned them because whenever I hear that term, Ben,
and I know you think of it too, I think
of number wang right, remain indoors. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Speaking of derailing here, guys, one of the biggest problems
happening right now are literally the rail lines are having
to be slowed down, their usages slowed down, and the
trains are having to slow down because the rails are breaking.
The heat is causing their one of their primary transportation
systems to break. So those folks I mentioned primarily will
(43:45):
travel by rail if they want to go anywhere outside
of the small town where they live, and right now
it's not a possibility, especially if folks are trying to
get to the hospitals, and the NHS is really struggling.
They're having to cancel all kinds of appointments to go
see doc is, like major doctor appointments are having to
be canceled because there's not enough people. The hospitals are
(44:05):
also overheating. Just want to point out how insane just
a little higher temperature can be for the human condition.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah, absolutely, it is important to note. You know. That's
why it's so easy for the public to shrug off
things like rising ocean temperatures, because you may say, oh,
just a few degrees fahrenheit or celsius. But it makes
a huge difference when we realize that ecosystems and those
organisms within those ecosystems have evolved for millions of years
(44:40):
to function most perfectly in a very constrained window of temperature,
of chemical mix of the air and the water. This
is untenable. This shall not end well unless something is done.
But we keep having to cancel our meetings about fixing
(45:01):
the climate because the climate is already as was said earlier,
going off the rails. And I want to respond real quick.
I didn't know if I have time to get to it,
but no, I loved your energy. We were talking earlier,
and I found a story specifically for you. I know
you're not the biggest fan of Arby's my guy, so
(45:23):
I wanted to give you one more reason to dislike them.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Oh dear, I guess I've just never been a fan
of their like flagship roast Beef. It's just kind of
gray beach case, I think it. Maybe that's true. Classic
Arby's roastbes probably all right. And I do remember back
in the day they had those market fresh sandwiches I
thought were pretty good. But by and large, I guess
I just haven't been to one in a long time.
So give me a reason to continue on that trend bend.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Okay, here you go. Uh, this takes us to Oklahoma.
I'll keep this very brief before you gets it.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Where the wind sweeping down the plan the real dudes?
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah, and Arby's editor in Oklahoma has been accused of
giving a customer hurk no after spitting in the food. Yep,
So one more reason for you there, man, which leads
to a larger conversation about fast food moving on, you know,
(46:19):
and again in case by case, don't judge all rbs
by one of them. I want to mention something that's
going to be very important to a special contingent of
our audience tuning in today, folks, Without nailing anybody to
the wall demographically, we were correct in our predictions from
(46:42):
our earlier episode about Chinese spying, the government of China
has gone full mask off, full ten toes down, and
they have recently declared to the world that they have
quote a right to target people overseas with their new
Ethnic Unity law end quote.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Not the sea turtle program though.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
No, no, no, So it's funny because that cave on
the heels of our earlier report about spyfish and spy
sea turtles. According to senior officials who were speaking with
the world at large actually just today as we're recording
on Wednesday, June twenty fourth, twenty twenty six, China has
(47:26):
passed the law in March of this year to create
what they call a shared National identity amid the country's
fifty five ethnic minority groups, which are wildly distinct. You know,
it's a melting pot in a very different way to
the US. These minority groups include people that we have
(47:47):
historically heard of being oppressed or harmed, like Tibetan people's
or the Wigers out in western China. And this new law,
which is going into effect in just a few days
as we record, it's going to an into effect on
July first. It says that people and groups beyond the
borders of the PRC, the People's Republic of China can
(48:10):
be held legally accountable for undermining ethnic unity and progress
or inciting ethnic separatism. This would also apply to problematic
anti PRC groups like shed Yun or follow On Ngong.
Excuse me, So this means, like, remember, guys, we were
(48:31):
talking about this, and we did predict it before before
this went into play in March. We know that the
government of China, which is not the People of China,
has a reputation for going and finding folks that it
considers Chinese descended or Chinese nationals abroad. They will target
(48:54):
you in Western Europe. They will target you in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, we talked about the pols in the US that
were popping up that were kind of secretive and weird
and seem to be used to surveil Chinese citizens living
in the US. Pretty weird.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's again what we would diplomatically call non ideal. It
is a conspiracy looming on the horizon. Please be safe
out there, folks, because we still don't know to what
degree your home country will protect you. Actually, because of
the way these operations work, now you might be saying.
(49:32):
At this point is a segue. You might be saying, well, hey, guys, yeah,
I have family in China, or I'm descended from Chinese nationals,
but I live in the United States. We have the
biggest army in the world, we have the crackerjack intelligence teams,
and our State Department is unparalleled. So I'll be fine
(49:55):
right in this Oklahoma spot as long as I don't
go to Arby's, I'll be I'm an American.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
That would be true if.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
We were not actively firing all of the people who
are supposed to protect against espionage threats. This takes us
to Reuters, where it turns out the new kid on
the block, the new acting Spy Chief of the United States,
(50:27):
Bill Poulte, is Bill poult is seeking to cut hundreds
of jobs from the Director of National Intelligence. This was
a Friday news dump, so it happened when they were
hoping everybody wasn't paying attention on Juneteenth, right, and then
they said, oh, yeah, happy Junete. By the way, firing
(50:49):
everybody who could stop all those threats that we campaigned on.
Did you guys hear about this about everybody getting fired?
And they're still keeping the people of that RBS. You
know what I mean. I'm bringing this up because it's
incredibly important for us to remember that those positions, those bureaucratic,
(51:13):
unelected positions, a lot of times, they are the firebreak, right,
they are the wall between you and the wolves. So
what do we think is going to happen? Do we see,
as some military analysts put it, do we see a
shift from human counterintelligence and espionage to AI powered automated systems.
(51:39):
What's that going to make the airport look like?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I think that's what they want?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Then?
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Can I read a teeny tiny excerpt from that same
thing I was talking about earlier about AI and the
author Corey Doctor, just to because I think it has
exactly to do with this. This is from the interview
Missus Corey speaking in the corporate sphere. It's the fantasy
of a business without workers. The fantasy is a business
(52:07):
without workers because every corporate leader is haunted by the
secret fear that if they don't show up for work,
everything goes on just fine, but if the workers don't
show up, everything shuts down. I think that maybe strikes
at the heart of this concept for military leaders and
corporate leaders alike, this fear that If the workers somehow
(52:29):
figure out exactly what's going on and how bad they're
getting screwed left and right by everyone and everything, in
particular the ones that are either employing them or forcing
them to do work, then everything goes wrong. And it's
this fear that maybe the corporate leader the general isn't
(52:49):
actually driving the car, maybe they're strapped in the back
seat with a toy steering wheel and the workers are
actually the ones driving the car. This is a very
interesting concept that provides them the reasoning for why AI
is so desired, such a fantasy world for folks like that.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
And speaking of AI, one last thing before we leave
you with dope beats this step two. Chat GPT is
getting a hold of your credit cards Visa. If you
guys have Visa, statistically you do. Visa has plugged their
payment network into chat GPT, letting AI agents shop and
(53:34):
pay for users. Big thanks to Barbara Ortute and Ken
sweet Over at AP News. This is something that came
out a few days ago, but it bears repeating. So
now Visa, which is a financial giant used by so
many people, especially in the States, has empowered a version
(53:57):
of chat GPT to end dependently shop and complete transactions
for people with some sort of visa account. It means
that you might be anywhere in the wide world of
digital payments, and your local chat buddy, your chat guppy,
will come up from the water of the digital universe
(54:21):
and say, here's some groceries, some plane tickets, some diapers,
and you know what. I went ahead and bottom because
I know you right, we're buddies. I got you right.
What would you guys do if you had a I
won't give my perspective here just yet, but what would
you guys do if you had a really helpful chatbot
(54:43):
attached to your financial information that would say something like, hey,
freight train, I know what you like, and I went
ahead and proactively got it for you because your behavior
says you were going to buy it.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I mean, I think there's certainly some folks that would
welcome that, you know, that are just all in with
the AI effication, which is its own kind of intification
really of it all, I don't I wouldn't think you
would have to be pretty expressed to grant that kind
of permission, And if it happened without me buying in,
I would certainly be super freaked out. But don't you
(55:18):
guys think that there would be folks that would be like, yes,
do it all chat, do all my fire process, Yeah,
let me think as little as possible.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, and even look down their nose or look a
bit of scan so people who are not participating in
the program.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Because it reminds me of that scene in Back to
the Future too, where Marty McFly does the gun video
game thing and the two future kids look at him
and goes, you have to use your hands. One of them,
I believe is Lila Elijah would But I think that's
such a good stand in for like where the future
is headed, where people are gonna be like, well you
use your brain still.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
And it goes to yeah, yeah, let's continue that because
it goes to the idea as always saying people looking
down their nose, looking askance at folks who do not
participate in the system, like demolition man, Oh you don't
know how to use the three seashells.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
You groub.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
There there's a world wherein people say, oh, you, your
little genie in the box doesn't do shopping for you.
You manually decide which kind of serial to purchase that
that could be on the way, and I agree with you, Noel,
that does run a huge risk of removing actual agency.
(56:33):
More importantly, and maybe we haven't done this right now.
This is going to be opt in stuff similar to
China's Sesame credit program, which we correctly predicted would go
from opt in to opt out to mandatory, and I'm
seeing a similar tech path on the way here. I
just want to gut check real quick to make sure
(56:55):
I don't sound too crazy.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Well in Matt, we got to hear from you, dude,
But like I mean, this kind of stuff doesn't really
work from the perspective of the powers that be if
everyone isn't bought in, you know what I mean. So, like,
if we want to remove any potential of traffic deaths
or any of the kind of stuff that maybe would
be considered a positive outcome of automated vehicles and things
(57:19):
like that, we need one hundred percent buy it.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
You got to starve the beast. That's how it works.
That's the if we can convince enough human beings to say, hey,
this is fantasy. This is wol being pulled over your eyes.
This is not real. These things that are being offered
to you consistently, constantly pressed on you. If someone is
(57:42):
really smart, they don't have to tell you they're really smart. Right,
you'll encounter human beings like that. Somebody says, man, I'm
the best drummer in the whole world. Okay, yeah, no
you're not.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Can you do paradidntals? Though?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
You show what I'm saying? Actions, right, What I'm saying
is actions are so much louder than words. And when
you have, you know, search tools that are pushing as
hard as they can to make you use their brand new,
shiny thing, it's not because you want to use it,
it's because they need you to use it, right, And
(58:17):
that's the case for all of this crap. And you know,
I keep going back to that same thing because it's
just it's bonkers how much money can be made on
a completely made up thing. You do have an industry there,
the AI industry. It's a sector that turns over around
(58:39):
fifty billion dollars a year, makes about fifty billion dollars
a year. It's got one point four trillion in capital expenditures,
which means human beings pumping and pumping it full of
money because it's valued at trillions and trillions of dollars.
But it can only make fifty billion dollars a year.
That's it's bs and that's what all this stuff is.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Sustain And it's like, you know, it's creating problems. It
doesn't exist. And guys, I don't know about you, but
it seems to me that we've got enough real problems
to deal with without creating new ones that we need
AI to help us solve.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
Ben think of your story talking about the UK in
this heat wave of an al nino right now, and
what's happening with climate change, and the prevailing push that
exists in the world right now is to build massive
complexes that require the power of huge cities to run.
And what kind of power is being used. It's only exacerbating,
further exacerbating the problems of climate change. And that's the
(59:34):
thing we're supposed to be obsessed with because it's going
to make us so much money.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Did you see that? Bezos literally said, it's shortsighted to
worry about how humans are going to have access to resources,
because we need to give all of them to AI
in order to usher in this new age that we're
hoping for.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
Agreed ed Nol to that point, one story that I
wish we had brought earlier. I wanted to bring this
was the the paper Tiger of billionaires now doing a
one to eighty and arguing for UBI or universal basic income,
and saying that, you know, the holy PELOI shouldn't get
(01:00:14):
taxed and neither should we. There's so much.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
More to get in that ben. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Oh, I've got to send it to you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I I'm familiar with the concept, but I hadn't seen
this renewed discussion around that. It doesn't surprise me. I
understand what you're saying, but I'd love to read more.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Absolutely, Yeah, And you can hit us up if you'd
like to learn more about that story or any of
the other stories we discussed in this strange news program. Folks,
we can't wait to hear from you. Let us know
an episode in the future that your fellow conspiracy realist
need to learn more about. Let us know your thoughts
and our upcoming listener mail program, let us know if
(01:00:55):
you have been targeted overseas by the Chinese government. Just
gonna throw that one out there and let us know
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Name is Noaa, the coleby Ben.
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That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
If you are tuning in to our strange news program
the Evening, it publishes Welcome to June twenty ninth, twenty
twenty six. And what better way to celebrate than with
a clip of something amazing that happened something you guys ready.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yes, yeah, all right, here we go, oh yeah, oh yeah,
oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
There's no way that you can actually practice for it.
You have to just payment for the day, especially with
the world records attempts.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So we're going to have pause there, you guys, there
is a new Gettis world record that I think we
will all enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It goes to.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
A town crier in Canberra who is now officially the
world's loudest person, clocking in at one and twenty two
point four decibels.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So, first off, I'm so glad that the occupation or
hobby maybe of town crier still exists. And I have questions.
One is to what end? What is this gentleman crying about,
or you know, in respect to is he shouting out
of the news of the day as in the days
of your What are we talking here, Ben? This is
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exciting news?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh yeah, this is a big shout out to our
pal and hopefully fellow conspiracy realist fifty eight year old
professional ac HVAC guy Joseph mcgrail betup, who is now
he's been an honorary town crier for a minute. He
has been recognized as the world's loudest person, specifically for
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yelling the word now n ow.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
This makes me immediately think of that toast of London's
Cat where he's like saying just the one word and
I believe it's yes, yes. How hard can it be?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It's just one word, that's great, toasts, can you give
it to us one more time?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And then he just eventually goes into an existential tail
spin around the word yes, and it starts to of
course lose all its meaning as I imagine the word now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Could yes, yeah, yes, he's saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
hear you, hear you.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
That's his version of it. He is not using the
word now his groundbreaking vocalization, because he said he had
to practice it for several days and it ruined his
voice for several days afterwards. But somehow, some ways, sometimes,
just like Joseph said, you got to make your voice heard.
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We always love to begin on a positive note.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Just needs a vocal coach, Yeah, coach.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I almost think it doesn't count if you blow your
whole vocal voice out. You know what I mean. It's
it should be about longevity, it should be about endurance,
you know.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, Well, we got to take it up with Guinness
and check out our Ridiculous history episode on why we
love the Guinness Book of World Records and why we
also understand they're maybe not the most accurate.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And why we love from the drink. Do you if
you've ever wanted to see what it's like to drink bread? Yeah, yeah,
I like drinking bread. No, I do not love a Guinness,
but I like that it exists for the people who
do like it, and I do like shaking the cans.
We can hear the little little think in the bottom.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, And it's actually I thought guinness was trash for
a long time until I went to Ireland and it
blew my mind.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Is it more bread like there or less?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It's it's it's a better version of drinkable bread. But
it's so heavy. It's like one would take me an
hour and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know. That's that's in general.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You guys like cold coffee, right, like iced coffee, like right.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Now, my co producer, Yeah, cheers guys.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, now, to be fair, Matt, I like my iced
coffee very milky and sweet. So I'm not a hard
black coffee drinker over here.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I got to where we going with this one.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, I prefer a dark, unsweetened roast that is chilled,
and for for my money, Guinness extra stout is like
the equivalent of that that bitterness that you get that
I could.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
See it a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It makes sense because that also, if not guinnis in specific,
it does harken back to the time when people were
always kind of inebriated because it was safer to drink
meat or wine or weak beer that it was to
drink water due to all the bacteria and contaminants, nasty boys.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It's what's that Dave Matthews bandsung don't drink the water
is about?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Okay, well, we're going to make it podcast true right now.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
And we're also in that case, there was blood in
the water.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
There was blood in the water, and then he scats
for fifteen minutes and then poops off a bridge. Well
that didn't come directly out of the man's but but it,
but it was. He contributed to it. He definitely contributed
to the payload.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
So we have we have so much to get to
the rise of Super El Nino. We've got to talk
about some good news from data centers, which again we
love positive news. Uh, there's Ninja Academy. Uh, there's, of course,
there's the Ranch stuff that I think Noel we mentioned
on a recent episode of Ridiculous History.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
We definitely did. This is a bit of an update
by way of the Craft brand.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Oh so why don't we pause for a word from
our sponsors and get right into it for all the
Ranch lovers.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And we have returned and been I could have sworn
we talked about this Ranch World Cup situation on this
show as well. But I think you might be right.
It came up just in passing on an episode of
Ridiculous History where we talked about all of the delightful
accounts that you know, soccer fans from the world over
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are posting about their experience with various American cities, and
one of those involved folks just discovering and falling in
love with the condiment sauce dressing way of life that
is ranch. And Ben, I know you did, and you've
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mentioned this in the past. An episode of a television
a video series we used to do back in our house,
Stuff Works Day, is called Stuff of Genius about the
creation of ranch and and how that came to be.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, and we've talked about it various shows as well NOL,
including our sister show, The Late Saver, hosted by Addie
Reese and Lauren Vogelbaum, both erstwhile guest here on Stuff
they Don't want you to know. It's a funny story,
it's very American. Essentially, a guy was working as a
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chef in Alaska and had to create dressing based on
the ingredients available. He came up with what we call ranch.
He went down to the lower forty eight and tried
to start a dude ranch, like what's that? What's that
one with Billy Crystal City Slickers, But it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Also breaks to mind, hey dude from Nickelodeon.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah, like these dude ranches were a big deal back
in the day. You would go like you would get
your podcast bros. And you go to a ranch and
you spend a long weekend doing ranch farm stuff, riding
your horses, kicking around. And the Kalich turned out their ranch,
which was named Hidden Valley, became more popular for its
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dressing and their dude ranch like riding horses, hanging out stuff.
That part of the business didn't work out, but now
we have the legendary and controversial ranch. It's not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
What doth a ranch make or what make a ranch dof?
Buttermilk is butter, butter and seasoning, right, It's got some
some seasonings in it to give it that that well,
it's kind of almost like a yeah, buttermilk, I could
see that, but it definitely has a sort of savory
I mean, it's hard to put your finger on really
is kind of what it amounts to. Because I think
of like a you know, sour cream potato chip and
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to me, that's kind of the vibe of a ranch,
but I guess they're there. And again, is that that
whole buttermilk of it all that the tartness. In any case,
ranch has become a bit of a phenomenon, but not
one that always translates worldwide, right It's it is kind
of one of those things where if you go into
like Asian grocery stores, for example, you're not going to
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see a lot of ranch dressing because it is or
like peanut butter. Just so, however, it would seem that
some folks when they come over here, they've heard of
this mythical you know, creamy substance, and they give it
a try, dip a carrot in it perhaps, and they're like, gosh,
I love this stuff so much. I want to bring
this back to my home country, wherever that might be.
And so they pack a bunch up in their bags,
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only to realize that the old TSA is there to
shatter their dreams of introducing ranch to the rest of
the world, because of course they have those pesky fluid
ounce limits, and it turns out you can't just you know,
bring you know, unlimited containers of ranch back with you.
And this is happening to the point where it's kind
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of become a bit of a joke, and people are
when notified of this when it's too late. Obviously they've
got those you know what do you call it, those
little bends that you can dump out your water bottle
that you accident your last chance trash can, last chance
trash can well some people, but teams are loving it
so much they're rather than dump it out or throw
it away, they're chugging it. They're chugging it right there
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at security. Right it makes you throw up in your
mouth a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Now, Nol, are these regular type World Cup travelers or
these influencers looking for a quick piece of short form content?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
You know, Ben, it's a really good point. I'm not
one hundred percent sure, but I do know that TSA
has responded with a statement or a I guess a
plea to World Cup travelers. Please don't chug Ranch at
airport security, they say, and so TSA and releasing this
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statement kind of made Ranch Dressing a bit of a
diplomatic hero. They had this to say in an Instagram post.
One World one Ranch who knew dip lomacy could be
achieved through addressing. Maybe that's a dressing pun. I'm not sure.
The obvious ranch is the king of condiments. The world
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is slowly discovering. Ranch pairs perfectly with pizza, chicken, wings, fries,
onion rings, case ideas. That one's for you, ben crackers, chips, vegetables,
and the list. It just keeps going. Are you kicking
around the idea of flying home with your favorite dip?
If you're traveling within the US, make sure to keep
your carry on sauces to three four ounces or less
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and place any larger containers in your checked bags. Some
heroes wear capes, others bring ranch. Now you thought maybe
they were going to go with wear ranch, and that
would be appropriate if you are in fact chugging the
sauce at security, because you might end up wearing some
of them.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Quick grow tip, folks, you can also, and I would
argue you should. After getting too deep in the badgers
with this one, I argue you should look into the
powdered form of ranch that you make at home. It's
usually going to be better than the shelf stable stuff.
And I don't think the TSA will stop you. But
we cannot speak to security in other countries. I love it,
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though I love a punt from the TSA. What was
that addressed?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was gonna recommend, specifically Kinder's Ranch dip, and it
is a powder that you can get in the TSA.
Hopefully isn't going to stop you, although customs might exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I think I've mentioned it before before I was
hip to all these limits. I got some really delightful
hot sauces confiscated from you. Wi't ever make that mistake again,
but never put it past a brand to take advantage
of a news item like this. So the update here
is that Craft, the purveyors of fine of mediocre food products,
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cheese products and of course ranch dressing, have decided to
take on this issue in the form of a kit.
Craft pounces on World Cup ranch graze with TSA approved
travel kits after the agency tells visitors to avoid chugging
the dressing. This is from a Piece and Fortune by
(14:01):
Catherine Giono. The twenty twenty six FIFA World Cup has
delivered surprises on and off the pitch. For one, it's
well known for being an expensive event, brought about via
the instruction of dynamic pricing. That's a whole other discussion.
Into the world sport, but it's also bringing about a
new sense of community, thanks in part to cities like
New York offering free watch parties or even school buses
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to the stadiums disconnected from public transportation. In addition to
the hat tricks and scissor kicks dominating this year's tournament,
there's one unexpected breakout star and that's ranch dressing. As
a Swedish x user posted, why did no one tell
me ranch sauces like crack? It's like crack Europe we
need ranch asap? With tons of replies flooding in from
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Americans kind of being like Ranch, Really, you think it's
that good?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
It's read solo cups all over again.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It does. It does appear to be the case. So
on June nineteenth, it would appear that the Craft Company
unveiled a limited edition TSA compliance Ranch kit, specifically designed
for travelers. They announced it just days after the TSA
addressed this trend. It is a first of its kind package,
including a clear TSA approved court sized bag. By the way,
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we haven't even talked about this. Ranch can of course
come in powdered form that you then mix to make
your own ranch. Enough Ranch packets to equal a standard
bottle and then some and a ranch bottle inspired luggage
tag for fans who want to show their allegiance on
the go.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, what's the dressing that MESSI uses when he eats salads?
Is it Ranch? Because you know, after his astonishing performance
so far, Hidden Valley and Craft and Chlorox and all
those other brands will pay him millions of dollars just
for one photograph with a bottle of Ranch. Must be nice,
(15:53):
Must be nice? We hold, we do those photos. We
send them to each other offline folks, because we say
hang out a lot in person, and we have never been.
I don't know. I haven't checked the group chat recently,
but I don't think any of us got millions of
dollars for the weird branded photos we send each other.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Oh no, not yet. I'm still waiting on my check.
But speaking of footballers, another story that I came across
concerning the World Cup involves a curse against Harry Kane,
a World Cup soccer player, from a witch from Ghana.
And I love this headline. It's the most British headline
(16:32):
you can imagine. It's so proper. Footballer Harry Kane is
cursed by Ghana witch. England World Cup draw sparks fuss. Earlier,
a Ghana football fan was seen at the court blowing
a white substance that allegedly drove his team to victory
during their match against Panama on June eighteenth, which ended
with Ghana's victory. But this time a rumor has spread
(16:53):
that another witch doctor has cursed one of England's most
important team players. The England versus Ghana match took place
at Boston Stadium known as Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.
The Group L match was held on Tuesday, June twenty third,
and the teams played to a zero to zero draw.
A Ghanian witch has claimed he has placed a curse
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on England footballer Harry Kane ahead of their World Cup match,
saying his supernatural powers will be enough to stop the
striker from hurting the Ghanian team.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
And that that practitioner of the arts is named I
believe little Nana Puacu bon Sam.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That's right, that's right, Nanu Quacku Bonsam, who has previously
claimed to cause run the very famous footballer Cristiano Ronaldo's
twenty fourteen knee injury through spiritual mechanictions say he's once
again up to his old tricks. In an effort to
help his team triumph over England. Bonsam claimed that he
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placed a curse on the striker in a June twentieth interview,
and during the match the footballer did in fact miss
a chance to score the match winning goal against Ghana.
But whether or not this is witchcraft at play or
just good old fashioned bad luck is up to anybody's guests.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Do we have a statement from FIFA?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
No, I don't think. I don't think FIFA has dangered
to comment on that. Yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
I'd love it if they pulled a TSA and did
a pun ridden post about the dangers of the dark
arts in sports.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
All these folks visiting the US for the first time
becoming so excited about ranch because they're encountering all of
these deeply fried, deeply cheesy foods that Americans so enjoy,
and we just smother them and further mayonnaise based sauces,
and you just, good God. I feel so bad for
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everybody going home like five pounds ten pounds heavier.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Having to eat regular people food. Right, we are the
land of excess and we have a connection to waffle House.
I kind of want to walk to write to waffle
House corporate and say, hey, you all should have every
restaurant permanently occupied by an astonished German or a bufuddled
British guy because I love those beams.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, you know what they don't have at waffle House?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Do tell ranch ranch what not? Really you got to
it's b yo r.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I guess that's true. They do have those big old
Mayo packets, but that just need't the same as That's.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Like saying tartar sauce is the same as Mayo.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You know what's funny. There was a long period of
my life where I did not I despise Mao in
any form, and I also despised pickles, and yet I
always quite enjoyed a tartar sauce, which is those two
ingredients combined.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Some people hate tomatoes, but they love ketchup.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's true, and they love a spaghette. And then last
thing for me today, guys, I did see a story
that claimed that the Norwegian was speaking to your point, Matt,
about all of the fried you know, foods and you
know kind of gross additive written things that we hear
thrive on in the States. There was a story that
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I saw that claim the Norwegian team had imported one
thousand plus pounds of their own food and ingredients, as
well as bringing their own chefs the US to avoid
the American diet. However, Snopes seems to have labeled this
as mixed. So what is true is the Norwegian men's
national soccer team did bring three chefs and some food
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ingredients such as fish, because as we know the Norwegians,
they love their fish. They have some of the best
fish in the world, salmon, et cetera, in order to
prepare some of these ingredients or mix them with other
things that they maybe would acquire here. However, what has
faulted They found no evidence of the team took chefs
and ingredients specifically to avoid eating American food. The team
imported only some select ingredients and used some local produce,
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suggesting they were not attempting to avoid eating American food.
What is undetermined is the number, which was two thousand
pounds of food that this post claimed. In a June
twenty twenty six post circulated online, the claim that the
Norwegian men's national soccer team took two thousand plus pounds
of food and their own chefs in order to avoid
(21:19):
eating trash American food. And Instagram video claimed that the
Norwegian team took three hundred kilos of fish, one hundred
and sixteen kilos of national Norwegian brown cheese, which I
believe is called khost a key toast or something like that,
and six thousand oranges to serve two players by a
team of three chefs at their camp in Greensboro, North Carolina.
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The account wrote, team Norway refuses to eat American food
for the World Cup. So it would seem that this
is only partially true if and certainly not to the
alarmist degree that the post would have you think. But
it certainly there is some truth to the fact that
food in the States certainly does not measure up to
the quality of food available, you know, in mass quantities
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in other countries.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yeah, but it's unctuous, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Sure it is. Well, that's it for me, guys. I
think we should take a quick word from our sponsor
and then come back with more strange news.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And we've returned, gentlemen, let me take you back. The
year is nineteen hundred and ninety three. The biggest video
game system in my world was the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.
There was a game. It's near and dear to me.
It currently sits in the original box on the wall
behind me, a little game called star Fox.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yes, it looking looking forward to everybody looking forward to it.
The repackage or it's more than a remaster.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's like a remake, right, yeah, if you haven't been
paying attention, as I have not been paying attention, and
I just saw the news about it just now as
we're recording. We're recording, by the way, on Wednesday, June
twenty fourth. As of tomorrow, the twenty fifth of June
twenty twenty six, Starfox will be available for the Nintendo
Switch to and it looks better. It looks incredible. It
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looks like the same game, and it makes you wonder. Oh,
I guess that's why star Fox showed up as a
little cameo in the latest Super Mario movie, Super Mario Galaxy.
Makes sense. Nintendo, we see what you're doing there with
all your marketing. Good job, good job, because you've officially
stoked my nostalgia. Though I don't have your system, so
(23:36):
I won't be buying your game.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Haha.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Take that all right, let's jump to actual news, you
guys coming to us from Atlanta. First News written by
Doug Reardon June eighteenth, twenty twenty sixth. Social Circle ice
site canceled following months of controversy. What does anybody remember
on this show when we were talking about a little
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town called Social Circle and a giant freaking ice facility,
a detention center that was being planned and built and
worked on by the federal government, while the city of
Social Circle kind of stood back and said, what in
the heck is going on?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Well, the biggest ever in history? It would have been,
I mean it was. It was insanely massive. And we
talked about this in respect to private prisons and like
what are they building in there? Kind of talk, and
like how would this play into a much more nefarious
version of the whole rounding up and you know, disappearing
people of it? All? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
M hmm, Well, it came to all of our attention
all of a sudden last year when the Washington Post
reported on it, and literally the town of Social Circle
was like, wait, when the heck's happening?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Who?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Who? Where?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
When?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Why?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
It's crazy. The Department of Homeland Security, according to the
Washington Post back then late last year, they said they
were planning a site with a capacity somewhere between five
thousand and ten thousand human beings, just to keep the
in detention for as long as necessary, I suppose. And
this is the weird part. Guys, the Social Circle officials,
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the city planning folks, all of those guys on the board,
all the people that make the decisions, they were opposing
the project, which is really interesting. A lot of times
we've been hearing stories about small town governments welcoming this
kind of thing in like detention centers, the data centers,
because there is such an influx of usually federal dollars
(25:29):
that come through or private dollars that come through, and
to the tune of hundreds of thousands, if not millions
in taxes that the local government is going to get
to collect and you know, potentially moneies that they're going
to get to make, depending on, you know, in different ways.
In this case, Social Circle is saying, no, we don't
want that. Our infrastructure of this tiny little city. We
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only have the infrastructure for five thousand human beings. That's
the number of residents we have right now. Why didn't
the federal government contact us, which they said they did
not very very crazy. The mayor of Social Circle, David
Taylor at the time, was saying he was learning everything
through the media, so when a news story would come out,
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he would find out the information, which is again not
how we imagine things work in these spheres. But thankfully
this thing isn't going to be making its way to
Social Circle. However, the federal government DHS continues to own
the property, and they are saying that they will be
offering it to other federal agencies before possibly selling it
(26:33):
to a private investor or a private corporation of some sort.
So I guess a little bit of good news. I
don't know if you guys remember a little while back
I mentioned a giant facility very similar to that one
in Social Circle that popped up near where I currently live.
There was a million square feet that's a facility, that's
a million square feet, and it looked as though all
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of the signs had been taken down for this thing.
It looked like there was no activity, and then all
of a sudden, there was a ton of construction on
the facade on the front of it, and I was wondering,
what the heck it was well found out what it was. Guys.
It's a furniture store. It's a million square foot furniture store.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Sometimes you have to have big furniture. I like the
idea of it not being you know, tens of thousands
of chairs and automans and tables. I like it being
ten really huge couches.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, that would be awesome, just stacked up on one another. Well,
in this case, it's some company that I had never
heard of before, called the Living Spaces. And the crazy
thing is, y'all, maybe it's because I'm being geo targeted
because of where I live. But if I go on
YouTube or Instagram or any of the social media apps
(27:52):
right now, I am being bombarded with messaging with ads
for this place, for this Living Spaces company, like they're everywhere.
They will not go away. And I keep trying to
do things like signing out of different accounts to not
see it. But it's just because I'm using the Internet
in this place, even though they're just like, well, I
(28:14):
have tried it with a VPN and that seemed to
function when it thinks I'm you know, further up the
East coast or something. Yeah, yeah, well I've never done
that But the crazy thing is, I can't fathom a
company that could look at a one million square foot
facility and think, oh, that's perfect. We sell furniture. That's perfect.
(28:37):
But it is one of those business models where they
sell furniture out of maybe a third of it, and
then the rest is just storage for all of the furniture,
and then they use it as a distribution hub, which
I guess is smart. Probably an old business model I
just don't know about. Anyway, onto the actual news, guys,
there's so much I wanted to talk about. We're gonna
have time for. I would recommend everyone and their brother
(29:01):
and their sister, and their mom and their uncle and
their dog all read a piece from Ours Technica written
by Jennifer Ullette maybe O U E L L E.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
T t E. A journalist we've mentioned in the past,
by the way, excellent work.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Amazing. I was unaware of that she wrote this on
June twenty third, twenty twenty six. The title is how
to Burst the AI Bubble Colon Strike at its Roots,
and it's an interview with a fellow named Cory Doctorow,
who is a science fiction writer. He's a journalist, was
with Boing Boying for quite a while. If anybody remembers
(29:37):
Boing Boying, he wrote the book in Shitification, Why Everything
Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do about It. He's
written a new book titled The Reverse Centaur's Guide to
Life After AI, and boy, is this an interesting interview
with a fellow that seems to really understand what's happening
as someone who has had a lot of experience, not
(30:00):
not experience in the financial financial sector, as in working
at banks and hedge funds and those kinds of things,
but been in the ecosystems where those entities function and
how they function and what they need to survive and
thrive and all that stuff, as well as somebody who
is really paying attention to the AI sector. It's crazy.
(30:21):
Here's the concept, guys, that really got me going. As
part of the interview, Jennifer's talking about automation theory, which
is something Corey Doctor, the author, is basically basing the
title of his book on, and the premise of his book.
It describes a centaur as a human augmented with some
(30:42):
technology like machine learning, like a vehicle, a car that
you can drive, like a simple thing like autocomplete on
your phone when you're typing a text something like, it's
a tool that a human being is using. The human
being is in control. The idea of the top part
of a centaur, right being human That human is in control. Look,
(31:04):
if you think about a centaur, the horse body moves
for the human because the brain is up there causing
those legs to move in this reverse centaur thing. Here's
a quote. It's a machine head on a human body,
a person who is serving as a squishy meat appendage
for an uncaring machine. And it's a very it's a
(31:28):
super thoughtful, scary concept. Just about how many of these
folks in the upper echelons, especially in the C suites,
who are imagining human beings functioning as reverse centaurs. The
example that's given in this article is an Amazon delivery driver,
and essentially that human being being an appendage of a
(31:54):
simple appendage that makes that vehicle move and get to
where it needs to go. But ultimately the important thing
is that vehicle in its contents, that's like the thing
that is truly driving everything. The human being is just
making it function. Like the centaur's legs.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Just an appendage of a larger organism or mechanism.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, but man, this thing goes deep. And I wanted
to read so much about highlated almost everything, but I
don't want to do too much of this. He calls
AI the asbestos in the walls of our technology society,
just with wild abandoned by a finance sector and tech
(32:35):
monopolists run a muck. We will be excavating it for
a generation or more.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Well, yeah, and that's another one of those things where
it's like this miracle material that they didn't really do
the research on fully, you know, in terms of like
future down the road, knock on consequince.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yes, oh, yes, Well, he says, when the AI investment
maye a halts, most of the model are going to
disappear because it won't be economical to keep the data
centers running. The collapse of the AI bubble is going
to be ugly. There are seven AI companies currently accounting
for more than a third of the stock market. There
(33:13):
are seven AI companies that currently account for more than
a third of the stock market, and they endlessly pass
around the same ten billion dollar IOU to each other
to keep pumping and pumping and pumping and pumping. There's
just going and shortification is primarily a thesis about how
(33:33):
firms in the absence of constraint get tilted to the bad,
but it's also a thesis about how the constraint of
competition when it falls away, produces all kinds of perverse outcomes.
One of these perverse outcomes is that firms that have
saturated their markets can no longer grow, and they have
to find other markets. There's a ticking time bomb when
you saturate your market, because it's only a matter of
(33:56):
time until investors start to worry that you are not
a growth stock. You're a mature stock. Immature stocks traded
a small fraction of the multiple that growth stocks do.
Firms with growth stocks can grow by typing zeros, whereas
firms that are mature have to actually use money if
they want to grow. And you're not allowed to make
(34:16):
money on the premises anymore because if you do that,
you get taken to jail by the federal government, as
we saw in n Ron's case.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Unless you know you're the president.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love this, he says. It's
this is the last quote from this. I'll move on
guys here.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That's why those firms started promoting stories about how they
were going to conquer imaginary markets. Imaginary markets have no
agreed upon valuation because you can just make them up.
Unless you can turn an imaginary market into a real
market pretty quickly, you need to come up with another
imaginary market and announce that, oh, no, no, no, this
(34:59):
this is the new imaginary market that we're going to conquer.
It's easier than you'd think because the capital markets have
the object permanence of a toddler, so you can say, oh, actually,
it's not metaverse, it's crypto. No, no, no way, it's
not crypto, it's Web three. No, it's not Web three,
it's something else, and the markets will forgive you, provided
(35:20):
you do it quickly enough. Anyway, guys, this is just
a huge, terrifying thing. But at the same time, I
think it's real and it's happening, and we need to
be aware of it and begin taking steps to shield
ourselves however we can, from the inevitable collapse and fallout
of the AI thing as it implodes in on itself.
One last thing, guys, I saw a little story as
(35:42):
while ago, as on June ninth. It was out of people.
It was written by Angelique Brene or bre Nes. It's
about a Minnesota restaurant, y'all, that stopped charging money for
food items on their menu. They stopped charging any money
for all of their food. They said donations only. And
it has effectively turned this fairly small restaurant that was
(36:06):
once called Modern Times, which is now called Postmodern Times.
It's turned it into a food kitchen of sorts for
folks who need food but can't afford it, as well
as a place to make a donation if you do
have means and money and you want to support a cause.
In this case, it's an anti ice cause. That's I mean,
ultimately what it is if you look at the words
(36:27):
of the founder and the owner operator of Postmodern Times.
But what an interesting business model donating money to support
a cause, whatever that cause is, and part of that
cause is to help folks who are in need. H
They say they're doing better than ever now post pandemic,
(36:49):
because I think they were. The quote was they were
up to ten percent profitability right before the pandemic and
then struggled through the pandemic as every other restaurant right
did it. They are now making more money than they
have in a long time through this donation thing and
they're giving away thousands of meals, thousands and thousands of meals.
(37:10):
It's pretty incredible cool stuff. You can check out their
website Modern Times mpls dot com. Check it out. All right,
that's it for me, guys. We'll be right back afterward
from our sponsors.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And we have returned. Folks, Welcome to the last act
of our strange news program. You have probably heard about
the rise of something called super El Nino. Hey, guys,
this is something that is I want to make it
about myself. I hope everybody is worried about climate change.
(37:52):
We know that the meteorological boffins are predicting some strong
to historic El Nino events in twenty twenty six. And
so for a bit of quick background for anybody who
is not a weather nerd like us, El Nino is
(38:14):
our street name basically for the El Nino Southern oscillation.
It's a global phenomenon that evolves sea surface temperatures of
winds over the tropical Pacific Ocean, and it could have
wide ranging effects, just like in previous eras of human civilization,
(38:36):
where a volcanic eruption could throw the world into darkness.
So for all our European conspiracy realists. You know, we've
received a lot of excellent correspondence regarding how dangerous and
tricky the weather is getting at this point. So thank
you for writing into conspiracy adiheartradio dot com. Please keep
(38:59):
them coming. We are happy to report that. You know,
back when we started this show, even before we got
on YouTube, back when we're video show, climate change was
still being treated as somewhat speculative or as a conspiratorial
(39:19):
branch of thought, and that was because of a conspiracy
on behalf of a lot of very powerful countries. Do
you guys remember when climate change used to be a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Well, it's still kind of a line that the current
administration uses from time to time. The Chinese hoax, I
mean that's what that's the words, that's their words. I
mean they're always talking to Trump in particular, is always
saying how climate change is a Chinese hoax.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, and this is all my setup to a story
that I hope everybody checks out. You can see our
past episodes on.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
The Heated debate.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Heated debate keep it regarding climate change. Now, it is
an acknowledged fact for the majority of the planet because
people are seeing real world effects and people have people
in power have started finally listening to the scientists and
the experts I quoted previously.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Who were right the entire time.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And the good news is these folks are teaming up.
There was going to be a huge climate change event
on extreme heat that recently got canceled due to and Max,
I can't wait for the sound queue here, due to
extreme heat. This is coming to us from the Independent
(40:45):
courtesy of the journalist Maria buttz Butt. This climate event
was supposed to occur in London, you guys, it was
all about extreme heat. A lot of people, especially in
Western Europe, grew up without ever kneeding an air conditioner,
(41:06):
right because of the latitude. It just didn't get hot
enough to need it. But now, as we know, for
several years, people have been died during the summer months.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Just on that note, Ben, we talked to some friends
in Worthing. It's kind of near Brighton in southeastern kind
of yeah, southeastern UK, and they're right on the water
and they have never had air conditioning in their house before,
and they're a little bit older, and they are literally
(41:36):
everybody in town is just suffering through this insanity and
like on a daily basis, just trying to get through,
especially folks who are older, who have health problems already.
It's insane. It's like apocalypse level stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
It very much is matt And we also know that
not just the people are aging across actually across Western Europe,
but also the buildings and the structures in which they
live are incredibly aged. To make it fancy and Shakespearean.
This event was going to be called or is called
(42:15):
Extreme Heat Improving Governance and Strengthening Action around the World.
It was going to take place at the London School
of Economics. If you haven't had the chance to visit,
please do check it out. There are some nice restaurants
in the area as well. But they had to cancel
this because the met Office in like the eleventh hour,
(42:36):
issued what they call a red weather warning for all
of Greater London, the London metro area, and they said,
don't go outside if you don't have to. The temperatures
are going to reach forty degrees celsius. Please stay indoors.
And for all our fellow Americans wondering what that means,
(42:57):
temperature wise, forty degrees cells is one hundred and four
degrees in freedom units remain indoors.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Man. There was a story that I missed that had
to do with the remaining indoors where four hundred hives
of bees crashed out of a truck in Texas and
the authorities told people to remain indoors. I just thought
i'd mentioned them because whenever I hear that term, Ben,
and I know you think of it too, I think
of number wang right, remain indoors. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Speaking of derailing here, guys, one of the biggest problems
happening right now are literally the rail lines are having
to be slowed down, their usages slowed down, and the
trains are having to slow down because the rails are breaking.
The heat is causing their one of their primary transportation
systems to break. So those folks I mentioned primarily will
(43:45):
travel by rail if they want to go anywhere outside
of the small town where they live, and right now
it's not a possibility, especially if folks are trying to
get to the hospitals, and the NHS is really struggling.
They're having to cancel all kinds of appointments to go
see doc is, like major doctor appointments are having to
be canceled because there's not enough people. The hospitals are
(44:05):
also overheating. Just want to point out how insane just
a little higher temperature can be for the human condition.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah, absolutely, it is important to note. You know. That's
why it's so easy for the public to shrug off
things like rising ocean temperatures, because you may say, oh,
just a few degrees fahrenheit or celsius. But it makes
a huge difference when we realize that ecosystems and those
organisms within those ecosystems have evolved for millions of years
(44:40):
to function most perfectly in a very constrained window of temperature,
of chemical mix of the air and the water. This
is untenable. This shall not end well unless something is done.
But we keep having to cancel our meetings about fixing
(45:01):
the climate because the climate is already as was said earlier,
going off the rails. And I want to respond real quick.
I didn't know if I have time to get to it,
but no, I loved your energy. We were talking earlier,
and I found a story specifically for you. I know
you're not the biggest fan of Arby's my guy, so
(45:23):
I wanted to give you one more reason to dislike them.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Oh dear, I guess I've just never been a fan
of their like flagship roast Beef. It's just kind of
gray beach case, I think it. Maybe that's true. Classic
Arby's roastbes probably all right. And I do remember back
in the day they had those market fresh sandwiches I
thought were pretty good. But by and large, I guess
I just haven't been to one in a long time.
So give me a reason to continue on that trend bend.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Okay, here you go. Uh, this takes us to Oklahoma.
I'll keep this very brief before you gets it.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Where the wind sweeping down the plan the real dudes?
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah, and Arby's editor in Oklahoma has been accused of
giving a customer hurk no after spitting in the food. Yep,
So one more reason for you there, man, which leads
to a larger conversation about fast food moving on, you know,
(46:19):
and again in case by case, don't judge all rbs
by one of them. I want to mention something that's
going to be very important to a special contingent of
our audience tuning in today, folks, Without nailing anybody to
the wall demographically, we were correct in our predictions from
(46:42):
our earlier episode about Chinese spying, the government of China
has gone full mask off, full ten toes down, and
they have recently declared to the world that they have
quote a right to target people overseas with their new
Ethnic Unity law end quote.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Not the sea turtle program though.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
No, no, no, So it's funny because that cave on
the heels of our earlier report about spyfish and spy
sea turtles. According to senior officials who were speaking with
the world at large actually just today as we're recording
on Wednesday, June twenty fourth, twenty twenty six, China has
(47:26):
passed the law in March of this year to create
what they call a shared National identity amid the country's
fifty five ethnic minority groups, which are wildly distinct. You know,
it's a melting pot in a very different way to
the US. These minority groups include people that we have
(47:47):
historically heard of being oppressed or harmed, like Tibetan people's
or the Wigers out in western China. And this new law,
which is going into effect in just a few days
as we record, it's going to an into effect on
July first. It says that people and groups beyond the
borders of the PRC, the People's Republic of China can
(48:10):
be held legally accountable for undermining ethnic unity and progress
or inciting ethnic separatism. This would also apply to problematic
anti PRC groups like shed Yun or follow On Ngong.
Excuse me, So this means, like, remember, guys, we were
(48:31):
talking about this, and we did predict it before before
this went into play in March. We know that the
government of China, which is not the People of China,
has a reputation for going and finding folks that it
considers Chinese descended or Chinese nationals abroad. They will target
(48:54):
you in Western Europe. They will target you in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, we talked about the pols in the US that
were popping up that were kind of secretive and weird
and seem to be used to surveil Chinese citizens living
in the US. Pretty weird.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It's again what we would diplomatically call non ideal. It
is a conspiracy looming on the horizon. Please be safe
out there, folks, because we still don't know to what
degree your home country will protect you. Actually, because of
the way these operations work, now you might be saying.
(49:32):
At this point is a segue. You might be saying, well, hey, guys, yeah,
I have family in China, or I'm descended from Chinese nationals,
but I live in the United States. We have the
biggest army in the world, we have the crackerjack intelligence teams,
and our State Department is unparalleled. So I'll be fine
(49:55):
right in this Oklahoma spot as long as I don't
go to Arby's, I'll be I'm an American.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
That would be true if.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
We were not actively firing all of the people who
are supposed to protect against espionage threats. This takes us
to Reuters, where it turns out the new kid on
the block, the new acting Spy Chief of the United States,
(50:27):
Bill Poulte, is Bill poult is seeking to cut hundreds
of jobs from the Director of National Intelligence. This was
a Friday news dump, so it happened when they were
hoping everybody wasn't paying attention on Juneteenth, right, and then
they said, oh, yeah, happy Junete. By the way, firing
(50:49):
everybody who could stop all those threats that we campaigned on.
Did you guys hear about this about everybody getting fired?
And they're still keeping the people of that RBS. You
know what I mean. I'm bringing this up because it's
incredibly important for us to remember that those positions, those bureaucratic,
(51:13):
unelected positions, a lot of times, they are the firebreak, right,
they are the wall between you and the wolves. So
what do we think is going to happen? Do we see,
as some military analysts put it, do we see a
shift from human counterintelligence and espionage to AI powered automated systems.
(51:39):
What's that going to make the airport look like?
Speaker 2 (51:41):
I think that's what they want?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Then?
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Can I read a teeny tiny excerpt from that same
thing I was talking about earlier about AI and the
author Corey Doctor, just to because I think it has
exactly to do with this. This is from the interview
Missus Corey speaking in the corporate sphere. It's the fantasy
of a business without workers. The fantasy is a business
(52:07):
without workers because every corporate leader is haunted by the
secret fear that if they don't show up for work,
everything goes on just fine, but if the workers don't
show up, everything shuts down. I think that maybe strikes
at the heart of this concept for military leaders and
corporate leaders alike, this fear that If the workers somehow
(52:29):
figure out exactly what's going on and how bad they're
getting screwed left and right by everyone and everything, in
particular the ones that are either employing them or forcing
them to do work, then everything goes wrong. And it's
this fear that maybe the corporate leader the general isn't
(52:49):
actually driving the car, maybe they're strapped in the back
seat with a toy steering wheel and the workers are
actually the ones driving the car. This is a very
interesting concept that provides them the reasoning for why AI
is so desired, such a fantasy world for folks like that.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
And speaking of AI, one last thing before we leave
you with dope beats this step two. Chat GPT is
getting a hold of your credit cards Visa. If you
guys have Visa, statistically you do. Visa has plugged their
payment network into chat GPT, letting AI agents shop and
(53:34):
pay for users. Big thanks to Barbara Ortute and Ken
sweet Over at AP News. This is something that came
out a few days ago, but it bears repeating. So
now Visa, which is a financial giant used by so
many people, especially in the States, has empowered a version
(53:57):
of chat GPT to end dependently shop and complete transactions
for people with some sort of visa account. It means
that you might be anywhere in the wide world of
digital payments, and your local chat buddy, your chat guppy,
will come up from the water of the digital universe
(54:21):
and say, here's some groceries, some plane tickets, some diapers,
and you know what. I went ahead and bottom because
I know you right, we're buddies. I got you right.
What would you guys do if you had a I
won't give my perspective here just yet, but what would
you guys do if you had a really helpful chatbot
(54:43):
attached to your financial information that would say something like, hey,
freight train, I know what you like, and I went
ahead and proactively got it for you because your behavior
says you were going to buy it.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I mean, I think there's certainly some folks that would
welcome that, you know, that are just all in with
the AI effication, which is its own kind of intification
really of it all, I don't I wouldn't think you
would have to be pretty expressed to grant that kind
of permission, And if it happened without me buying in,
I would certainly be super freaked out. But don't you
(55:18):
guys think that there would be folks that would be like, yes,
do it all chat, do all my fire process, Yeah,
let me think as little as possible.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, and even look down their nose or look a
bit of scan so people who are not participating in
the program.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Because it reminds me of that scene in Back to
the Future too, where Marty McFly does the gun video
game thing and the two future kids look at him
and goes, you have to use your hands. One of them,
I believe is Lila Elijah would But I think that's
such a good stand in for like where the future
is headed, where people are gonna be like, well you
use your brain still.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
And it goes to yeah, yeah, let's continue that because
it goes to the idea as always saying people looking
down their nose, looking askance at folks who do not
participate in the system, like demolition man, Oh you don't
know how to use the three seashells.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
You groub.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
There there's a world wherein people say, oh, you, your
little genie in the box doesn't do shopping for you.
You manually decide which kind of serial to purchase that
that could be on the way, and I agree with you, Noel,
that does run a huge risk of removing actual agency.
(56:33):
More importantly, and maybe we haven't done this right now.
This is going to be opt in stuff similar to
China's Sesame credit program, which we correctly predicted would go
from opt in to opt out to mandatory, and I'm
seeing a similar tech path on the way here. I
just want to gut check real quick to make sure
(56:55):
I don't sound too crazy.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Well in Matt, we got to hear from you, dude,
But like I mean, this kind of stuff doesn't really
work from the perspective of the powers that be if
everyone isn't bought in, you know what I mean. So, like,
if we want to remove any potential of traffic deaths
or any of the kind of stuff that maybe would
be considered a positive outcome of automated vehicles and things
(57:19):
like that, we need one hundred percent buy it.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
You got to starve the beast. That's how it works.
That's the if we can convince enough human beings to say, hey,
this is fantasy. This is wol being pulled over your eyes.
This is not real. These things that are being offered
to you consistently, constantly pressed on you. If someone is
(57:42):
really smart, they don't have to tell you they're really smart. Right,
you'll encounter human beings like that. Somebody says, man, I'm
the best drummer in the whole world. Okay, yeah, no
you're not.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Can you do paradidntals? Though?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
You show what I'm saying? Actions, right, What I'm saying
is actions are so much louder than words. And when
you have, you know, search tools that are pushing as
hard as they can to make you use their brand new,
shiny thing, it's not because you want to use it,
it's because they need you to use it, right, And
(58:17):
that's the case for all of this crap. And you know,
I keep going back to that same thing because it's
just it's bonkers how much money can be made on
a completely made up thing. You do have an industry there,
the AI industry. It's a sector that turns over around
(58:39):
fifty billion dollars a year, makes about fifty billion dollars
a year. It's got one point four trillion in capital expenditures,
which means human beings pumping and pumping it full of
money because it's valued at trillions and trillions of dollars.
But it can only make fifty billion dollars a year.
That's it's bs and that's what all this stuff is.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
Sustain And it's like, you know, it's creating problems. It
doesn't exist. And guys, I don't know about you, but
it seems to me that we've got enough real problems
to deal with without creating new ones that we need
AI to help us solve.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
Ben think of your story talking about the UK in
this heat wave of an al nino right now, and
what's happening with climate change, and the prevailing push that
exists in the world right now is to build massive
complexes that require the power of huge cities to run.
And what kind of power is being used. It's only exacerbating,
further exacerbating the problems of climate change. And that's the
(59:34):
thing we're supposed to be obsessed with because it's going
to make us so much money.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Did you see that? Bezos literally said, it's shortsighted to
worry about how humans are going to have access to resources,
because we need to give all of them to AI
in order to usher in this new age that we're
hoping for.
Speaker 4 (59:52):
Agreed ed Nol to that point, one story that I
wish we had brought earlier. I wanted to bring this
was the the paper Tiger of billionaires now doing a
one to eighty and arguing for UBI or universal basic income,
and saying that, you know, the holy PELOI shouldn't get
(01:00:14):
taxed and neither should we. There's so much.
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
More to get in that ben. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Oh, I've got to send it to you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I I'm familiar with the concept, but I hadn't seen
this renewed discussion around that. It doesn't surprise me. I
understand what you're saying, but I'd love to read more.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Absolutely, Yeah, And you can hit us up if you'd
like to learn more about that story or any of
the other stories we discussed in this strange news program. Folks,
we can't wait to hear from you. Let us know
an episode in the future that your fellow conspiracy realist
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you have been targeted overseas by the Chinese government. Just
gonna throw that one out there and let us know
how you feel about AI deciding what you can and
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You can always send us an email.
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You sure can find us online at the handle Conspiracy
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Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Our phone number is one A three three STDWYTK. When
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Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void rights back
end for anybody tuning into our Tuning into our episodes
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on Netflix, you may see a book that appears to
say ass on the side, what is the what is
the time we got the weirdest letter about it?
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Man, it was awesome? What is the title of that book?
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
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In the meantime, we'll see out here in the dark
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