February 4, 2026 • 80 mins
Late last year, a documentary called The Age of Disclosure captivated the world with its claims that high-level members of America's military, intelligence, business and political circles have -- for decades -- known extraterrestrials visit planet Earth. Multiple sources also insist the United States has a top-secret initiative called "The Legacy Program," which has not only acquired crashed alien craft, but also reverse-engineered some extraterrestrial technology. If any of this is true, it's the biggest cover-up in human history. In this special two-part series, Ben, Matt and Noel separate the fact from fiction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
You are here.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
And if our grand recent conspiracy has worked out, you
are watching this on Netflix.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We did it.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
We ran the best syop of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Guys have been getting ready for this episode. I am
so excited. I watched season three, episode twenty of X
Files Jose chungs from outer Space. Do you guys remember
that one?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I do, yes, I do?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
No not that what I have been doing to rewatch
myself and I prepared by watching the X Files crossover
episode of The Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hi Bring you Peace, kilm.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I prepared by dusting off all of our previous research
over the years since we first began this show as
a video series. By the way, on pre youtubeoo, nobody
checks out.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Creating Netflix as a streamer. It was back when Netflix
was sending discs in the mail.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So I dusted off all these old paper files from
various government agencies, various episodes we did and realize that
we've always had the same mission when it comes to UFOs,
just like Molder said, we want to believe. And recently
a lot of people were tuning into various programs or
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various news interviews, even congressional testimony about the nature of UFOs,
what we call UAP and the concept of disclosure. What
disclosure argues is that world governments not only possess evidence
of intelligent non human activity around Earth and in near
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Earth orbit, but they also are on the verge of
revealing this to the public. Now. I don't know about
you guys, but a lot of the folks I have
contact with have started to encounter something we could call
uapf or UAP fatigue, because it's always almost about to
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go public, right.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Or you know, when they did drop some info about
it recently, it was all a little bit underwhelming, if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, yeah, because you can't. Nobody is willing to go
forward and do the thing that would considered illegal and
that is to share the super classified, top secret documents.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot of people have come forward, include David Crush,
a lot of people who gave to testimony and they
gave a lot of information to Congress right under oath.
They they talked about things, but they would not or
could not go into detail in a public setting, which
is just like, yeah, makes sense, but it's disheartening. I
guess for anybody who is not in that room right,
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who isn't going to get to have some kind of
special session that's closed off with those guys to talk
about that stuff if they have the proper clearance. So
it's just you know, I get it. I understand the
fatigue of it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah. I think one great way to put it, folks,
is it feels surreal and it feels like a heck
of a wamp womp moment to have these experts with
bona fides out the wazoo go straight to Congress the
halls of power and say, I swear that I can't
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really tell you about this. That's exactly what happens, and
that's why so many people are going, you know, look
up there in the sky. Is it a bird?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Is it a playing?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it a secret government plot to hide the true
story of UFOs. We know right now as we're recording
on January twenty sixth, that there have been no official
institutional admissions of alien activity, but more and more experts
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as well as politicians are talking about it openly. And
this episode owes a lot of inspiration to a documentary
we all checked out more than once called The Age
of Disclosure. You're doubtlessly familiar with it if you check
out shows like ours, and we do recommend you check
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it out. But there's something hidden in there which is
even more interesting than the typical talk of UFO disclosure.
It's something called the Legacy Program.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
The Legacy Program.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I know when we watched it, we thought, is
it possible that that thing is real?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Could that be the thing?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Another innocuous name that that that portends some shady business?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah? And the reason I brought up that X Files
episode is because there is a specific organization that somehow
in the nineties those folks were thinking about or talking about,
that appears to be talked about in this documentary as
though it's an actual facts thing.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Matt, could you remind me, I don't remember the one
the plot of the X Files episode just in broad strokes,
because I do want to go check it out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
The Jose Chung one is a very silly one that's
told from a bunch of different perspectives about a UFO sighting.
I specifically watched it because I wanted to get my
Jesse Ventura on for this episode, and then he features
heavily as a men in black that episode.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Tracks Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so we see again, we
see that interesting blend of fiction and fact which happens
all the time in this sort of.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Milieu of conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But I was also left with that question after Age
of Disclosure, because it called back to so much research
we had done previously, and I, like so many other
people across the planet, was going, what is this legacy program?
Does it actually exist? And if so, can we prove
that existence? We'll be back afterword from our sponsors. Here
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are the facts. Let's start with the Age of Disclosure.
How would we describe it? I mean, it's a documentary
created by Dan Farrah and it's narrated by none other
than Louise Elizondo, who we all remember.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Hugely large looming figure in these types of conversations.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, Luis is all over the inner if you look
up the UAP phenomena, and that is because of you know,
a tip. The party played an a tip and you know,
he and a bunch of other people who actually looked
into this stuff. Thanks Harry Reid for making that happen.
I suppose the thing the standout part of this documentary
is the number of human beings that it interviews, in
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high profile interviews of folks that a lot of times
don't talk about this, some people who talk about all
the time and that's all they talk about, and then
others that, you know, especially with Marco Rubio, you go, huh, yeah,
you're saying, what.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Marco, Marco, what else was on your schedule for today,
Little Marco. That's one of the things I was thinking, Yeah,
And I think it's fair to compare this somewhat to
a mixtape with a strong thematic spine with a narrative,
because Age of Disclosure compiles tons and tons of interviews
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with ufologists. Right as we were saying, people who dedicate
their life to this, as well as former and current
government officials, politic titians, members of the military and intelligence community.
We've mentioned a lot of these folks. Previously we went
in depth to the testimony of folks like the former
US Department of Defense Intel officer David Grush. You can
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check that out in full if you visit our catalog
wherever you find your favorite shows.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's oh, just mentioning Grush. High Strange Season two is
about to come out. That's Payne Lindsay's show, and David
Grush is extensively a part of that season and he's
got more to say, so you know, we'll have to
kind of just wait, but it's very interesting stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Nice congrats, Pain, And we know that in age of Disclosure,
the people interviewed, they range across political ideologies and you know,
lines of belief in areas of expertise. But the thing
they have in common is they all seem to genuinely
believe alien intelligence doesn't just exist, but has visited our
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little cosmic suburb of Earth. I guess we should point
out that some of the individuals interviewed might be considered
you know, fringe or controversial. Right, let's just get in
front of that one, because there are a lot of
mainstream scientists who.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Immediately dismiss this stuff as bubble.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean, according to Lisa Simpson in the Simpsons
X Files crossover episode, I mentioned the chances of being
contacted by an alien life form of any kind are
in the you know, one to millions in terms of
the odds, And I'm sure he's referencing some of the
practical data of the time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh for sure. Well, if you look to the writing
of somebody like Michael Shermer, who writes for her Skeptic magazine,
he points out Luis Alizondo as somebody that we need
to be skeptical of, which is really interesting because this
that guy, he's been at the center of this a
TIP and UAP movement actually with regards to Congress since
the jump, really and he's been he's been talking about
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it publicly a lot. But then somehow people always call
in to question his actual involvement at a TIP and
he has position there, and there's.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
A lot of infighting in the community itself, you know,
like there are a lot of people like Grush will
say that there are people participating in cover ups or
that they are purporting to be part of a disclosure
movement while actually managing access to it or attempting to
control and suppress genuine information so even in these circles,
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not all of these folks trust each other one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But then we have to decide who we trust. Because
the official word out of the Pentagon from Christopher Sherwood.
This is a quote from him, as quote by Michael
Shermer quote, mister Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to
the A tip program. So we have to decide, is
that the Pentagon put out, you know, an official story
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that's cover for something, or to you know, discredit mister Elizondo.
I mean, we know that that's a thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Sure, sure, disavowing knowledge of activities, right, it's relabsolutely. We've
got another quote here that I think differentiates Age of
Disclosure from a lot of other documentaries in that same
field because the director says he sought only to interview
people who have direct knowledge of the government programs in questions.
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So he's not talking to people who heard something third hand.
He's not talking to someone who just wants to sell
a book and has some logical ideas. These are people who, yeah,
as far as Dan is concerned, are in the trenches.
That's also a note you can find in the Skeptic
article that you're referencing there, Matt and and lo and behold,
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this approach met with phenomenal success. Only thirty percent going
to Rotten Tomatoes. Because we're film nerds. Only thirty percent
of critics seem to really dig it, But the popcorn
meter gives it a ninety three percent approval rating. That
means the general audience said, whatever, critics, you're stuck up,
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We love this thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
More aliads please.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's crazy that it's that low and rot tomatoes. I
never would have expected that after watching it.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Here's the thing, though, I mean, it's always super fascinating
when the critics score and audience score are completely, like,
diametrically opposed in one direction or another. A lot of
times you'll have a movie that is blown out of
the water in terms of like critical response and then
has an absolutely, you know, abysmal audience score.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So critics' Darlene.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, Usually if there's a mismatch like that, it's probably
worth checking out for one reason or another.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's a great point, Noil, I haven't seen something this
divisive between critics and audience since the legendary Police Academy four.
Oh gosh, you check that out as well. It's a
spiritual predecessor to Age of Disclosure if you really think
about it.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Critics love that audience is now I have a feeling direction.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They're making the same remarks of I'm just looking at
a couple of these men, the same remarks that we
talked about at the top, where it's what's happening in Congress,
it's what's happening on your social media feeds and all
these posts and books and everything, a lot of really cool,
unprovable stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And that is the kicker. You're going to hear us
mention that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A couple of times, folks, because we cannot overemphasize at
no point in the entirety of this documentary does Age
of Disclosure present any hard physical evidence. There's nothing provided
for the audience. We mean, there are tons of statements there.
There's plenty of video footage, and a lot of it
is older stuff you've seen before, like tic TAC videos.
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There in depth interviews with people who have heard hell
as we would say in Tennessee, of are programs in secrets.
But nobody takes the director or Louise on a UFO
joy ride. Nobody is holding up a piece of let
me see, nobody's holding up a piece of physical stuff
or anxiety materials.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
This is just get that light.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And that makes sense that you have critics kind of
you know, dumping on this, because that is not something
that usually bodes well for critical response if a documentary
does not present good sources or they don't have some
sort of like basis. In fact, I think that often,
you know, is a ding towards a film for critics.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Agreed, But have we learned nothing from agents Molder and
Scully guys, We've learned.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Those crews.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Those crews always come in afterwards and clean up all
the evidence. That's why there's no evidence to hold up
into show. They've got they've got crews of people. The
smoking man's in the court, or the cancer man he's
over there. He's getting all kinds of different organizations to
make sure we never see anything, we can never prove.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Anything, right.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
This is what we were talking about off air. There's
a weird rhetorical trap that occurs in this kind of
stuff and also just something that grinds my gears a
little bit, even as a kid watching X Files when
they had the cleaner scenes and the cover up scenes
The smoking man is not named. Ironically, he is always
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smoking cigarettes, and cigarettes have a very distinct, very durable smell.
So if he is on the scene of a cleanup,
eventually somebody's going to say, who keeps smoking this whole time?
What does it always smell like tobacco? Whatever? We can't
find a body.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Also, I mean not named for nothing that you know.
His job was to throw up smoke screens the States
the truth clown people's views of true events.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He's also symbolically a ca answer right yeah, inside the
government that is trying to stop He's trying to grow whatever.
What is he trying to grow? Well, we won't spoil
xols for you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's so long. Chris Carter would be so mad. He
works so hard on it.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Guys, just check it out.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I'm more of a Monster of the Week kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Also symbolically, you know, he represents a father
big brother esque or Wellian figure. Anyway, when you're watching
Age of Disclosure, another thing that stood out to us
is no one introduces a known extraterrestrial for a chat.
No extra terrestrial does not show up for an interview.
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Now are some of the people being interviewed secretly aliens
will tell you when they email uspat but for now
they all seem to be human presenting.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Speaking of whether or not someone is secretly an alien,
I highly recommend everyone go out immediately and check out Bogonia.
The Yorgos Lanthemos movie amounts a group of canspiracy nuts
that abduct a CEO of a chemical company or a
pharmaceutical company because they believe her to be an alien.
And it's fascinating and very in line with a lot
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of the thought experiments we talk about here on this show.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh yeah, I would say, guys, I want to see
I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, it's great.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I would say. The feeling you get as an experiencer
of this documentary is that those alien bodies are right
around the corner, right. You get the feeling that there
is definitely something in a vault somewhere. These guys were
talking to in the documentary just can't access it because
it's impossible, But you something in you knows. Oh, there
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are multiple bodies somewhere.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it's old school Hitchcock rules of film. Right. The
monster is just outside of the frame, just in the corner,
but it's there. It's there and you better straighten up
and fly right. Okay, no more Mora leys for you.
But there's also the talk of non human biologics, a
very interesting term. But you'll never see somebody hold up
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a jar and say, yeah, you know, and they gave
all of us one of these, you know, when you
retire from the secret government program, and I.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Want to know. I mean, one thing that was I
think featured pretty heavily in the X Files movie was
the idea of alien technology that far outpaces anything that
we as consumers, as regular old you know Jo's and
Jans know about in terms of what's available to the
public or even to the government. And a lot of
the u UAP sightings often get attributed to tests of
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this kind of secret technology, whether it be alien or
just stuff that the government doesn't want us to know
about yet. So why don't we have any of those
bits of evidence. You'd think something would have come to
lights Oh certain point.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I love that point, because the argument is it's slowly
trickling out stuff like Velcrow and man.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Is that the height of a human ingenuity?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's the height that's good, that's the aliens weren't ever
actually crashing They were landing and telling people repeatedly that
they were excited about Velcrow.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It just makes such a satisfying rip, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, it was Actually it was kind of an MLM scheme,
and that's why Uncle Sam is covering it up because
we fell for it. Hook and Technology. They sorry, they
fell for it. We're not the We're not the big
weed on that one.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The other big concept that exists out there in the
UAP a verse, which is currently experiencing fatigue, as we've said,
is that these stories about secret craft and reverse engineering
and all that stuff is the cover, right, Yeah, that
is the cover for the actual government stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
That's an alternate narrative. It's a little easier to stomach.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Is that kind of as old as time? And we
know that's historically true, that has been proven.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The FBI and parts of the CIA totally loved the
Little Green Men's stories because it helped you. It helped
you explain away a stealth bomber, right, And it's the
kind of info war that you couldn't you couldn't improve on.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
It's just perfect.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It ticks all the boxes for shutting people up or
dismissing what they as he said, Matt experience, and this
is all culminating right in Age of Disclosure, which has
great pacing. Objectively, it's a roller coaster, it's a thrill ride.
But because of all these points we mentioned, critics from
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the world of film and science and even ufologists have
a lot of gripes with the project. I mean, we
can just cut past the mainstream science problems with that
we all know about those, and shout out to all
our scientists in the crowd, thank you for doing the
hard work. One thing I thought was really interesting is
that some film critics and some ufoll specially ufologists, the
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people who we imagine would champion this documentary, Some of
them are saying, look, this is just all stuff that's
been remarked upon and presented plenty of times in the past.
It just looks new because as a higher than average
production value, it might be new information to the casual viewer.
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They're saying, but anyone who is lightly familiar with the
world of UFOs has already heard this stuff. So that's
one of the ufologists criticisms. They're saying, it's exciting, but
it's not really news to us.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Is this film getting mainstream attention. I guess I haven't
really seen it. I mean, not that there would be a
giant marketing campaign for any documentary these days, but is
this getting an audience?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
There was a hype train for this thing, okay, oh yeah,
and people are super excited for it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Because they thought it was going to reveal something new.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well yeah, but I think it has to do with
what Ben's talking about there, the overall production value of
the thing, the names that are meant and right in
the in the trailers and teasers that came out, it
just seemed it seemed like a legitimate UAP UFO documentary.
And we know Jeremy Corbel, right, and Jeremy Corbell makes
really high quality films. When he's talking about these things,
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this is even and it's no offense to you, Jeremy,
if you're if you're watching this, but it is this
is on another level. This is like a Hollywood film,
but it's also a documentary about UAP.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, it's like shown in theaters level, you know what
I mean. And I think it's fair to say that
we all thoroughly enjoy this documentary. It just scratches us
behind the ears. It's that nerdy conspiracy umami that we
all love.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And yeah, have you seen the poster? It kind of
rips off our book. Yeah, dude, look it up.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Look it up real quick.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, that's cool, man, What.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I mean rip off is strong, But I'm just saying
there's not that like we created this this template or whatever.
But I mean, our buddy Benson did a fine job
and it is a very similar layout and color scheme
and like the beaming down from the spaceship and the
like art style of it. I don't know. I think
they might have seen it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Well that's pretty flattering actually if they have. But also
to be clear, we didn't invent the the UFO beam up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
There's the book.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I mean, it is a thing, y'all. It's pretty funny.
It is like the same It even has the same building.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Dude, do you think gosh, yeah, new copier.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
See y'all there, proper.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I love discovering these things.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And also, if you want to check out more of
Nick's work, I think he's fine with us saying this.
You can find him on Instagram. He also does a
ton of stuff for one of our favorite hip hop
outfits run the Jewels.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
And also like our book is still available in hardback,
and if for no other reason then to get Nick's
incredible art. It's like a coffee table book with these
beautiful images that are Buddy Benson designs. Oh, that's one
of my favorites. There's like a hold on, like a
like a this guy right here we got made into
some pretty cool kind of what do you call it,
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shiny metallic posters that I think we all have.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yea, I love it. Good job the eyeball man.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And uh, he's he's got of our smoking man or
our our conspiracy Clippy.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
As we go through that book.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Clippy is already a conspiracy unto himself. Man, that guy's
got his finger on the pulse or really was it was?
Clippy has little hands, don't he.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He's got an attitude, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I don't always care for his tone in my mom
picturing him with like Mickey Mouse, like white gloved hands.
But I don't think he has appendages that Clippy just
big eyeballs.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You know who's a real smoking man? Microsoft co pilot.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't know that guy. You don't have to Microsoft
co Pilot check out our AI episodes. Folks. Anyway, the
king Man is this Skindy Will Pearson Google search him,
you'll find him. Oh and just above their Connell Byrne
dun Dun Dun. So Look, we're not going to relitigate
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that kind of stale back and forth about disclosure tonight. Instead,
we want to explore that thing that really struck us
like a bolt of lightning, like Colonel Kurtz says in Apocalypse,
now a diamond bullet right in your forehead. The idea
of the Legacy program or program for our brit friends,
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okay in a nutshell, for the idea is that for
decades and decades and decades, the same people who can't
for the life of them, get a lot of progress
in the United States or get your taxes right, have
somehow run above top secret compartmentalized projects or series of
projects to retrieve crash UFOs. Not only do that, but
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to reverse engineer them in hopes of, like you said,
no leveraging technology beyond the limits of human prowess. This
is according to the true believers, operated by elements of
the OSS and then the CIA, the US Air Force,
the Department of Energy, a rogues gallery of private defense contractors,
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all of whom have allegedly retrieved crash vehicles and alien bodies.
And sh, don't tell anybody, even though it takes thousands
of us to do.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
This for generations.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Sh Let's keep it a secret, because secrets are fun.
It's a cosmically tall milkshake. It's an extraordinary claim.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And how is all of that wrapped up in a
new Cold war that, according to the creators of the documentary,
is of more dire consequence than the nuclear energy and
nuclear weapon battle that exists out there the Cold War?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
For those hmm, yeah, yeah, before we move on, you
had a review of the film.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Why this is a user review or like you know,
one of the audience reviews in the Popcornometer, And I
think this speaks to both sides of what we were
talking about in its divisiveness. Maybe professional movie critics who
don't know a thing about how bureaucracy operates are disappointed
ET's Head wasn't trotted around on a spike. But for
anyone else has studied or worked with the federal government,
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this movie is a revelation.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah yeah. And the thing about a revelation is technically
it has to be the realization of a greater truth,
this cosmically tall milkshake, this idea of a new Cold War,
which is very exciting to us for various personal reasons.
This could be a revelation, but to be revelation, it
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also has to be factual. So our question that becomes,
is there really a legacy program like we have described,
and if so, how would we set about proving it.
We're going to make our level best attempt afterword from
our sponsors years where it gets crazy. All right, First
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things first, we got to say it. This to me
and I think to all of us, this is one
of the coolest parts of this exploration. It is true
that empires retrieve non domestic technology whenever beat me here, Dylan,
whenever they can. It's such an old thing, like cast
your memory back to civilizations of yr. They were trying
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to learn more about their enemy's toys. Oh that's a
long bow, let's steal it. If we survived this battle.
What the hell is that a rebouchet? You know what
I mean? They were always trying to find these weapons
war and the United States is no different. We've been
doing that since the late seventeen hundreds. There are multiple
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programs that study down crash captured craft of all sorts
and types, planes and drones to satellites and especially submarines
and identified spacecraft. I mean, it's like World War One stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I just like the concept of extra domestic weapons and technologies.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's one. Yeah. I had this story years ago where
it's a short stories fiction as far as we know,
where the entire reason for one of the invasions of
a rock was to break into a museum and steal
ancient technology. But the acquisition of technology is a huge
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driver of things like the Cold War, right, the race
for the atomic bomb, for example, or the race for
the meanest hypersonic missile, the old space race even yes, yeah,
just so man. And so with that in mind, is
it not logical for us to assume that if extra
terrestrial craft are a thing, we would then use a
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similar process to learn as much as possible. So if
a legacy program of this sort does exist, it's not
a brand new thing. It's an extension of previous proven tactics.
You know, it's something that it's a process that people
would have been familiar with before. Because the US is
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pretty good at committing acts of extra what if we
just say about killing, extra judicial killing, which is a
terrible thing as we record now and throughout the past,
but also extra national, extra national acquisitions. He goes way
past taking possession of a Russian shadow fleet tanker. They're
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very good at it, so so much so that if
spaceship did exist in one part of the world, Uncle
Sham would be one of the top candidates to go
in there.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And take it.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh sure, I can't wait till we get to the
to the part euphemistically called unwarned access. Well.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
The term legacy is really interesting too. Is something you
see in government programs and initiatives often to refer to
things they've done in the past that maybe aren't necessarily great,
but when you call them legacy, it gives it this
sort of positive sort of spin, I guess, you know,
like legacy nuclear waste cleanup and things like that. It
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refers to all of the byproducts of you know, the
atomic bomb, the aforementioned atomic bomb that have to be
dealt with and that really there was not necessarily a
plan initially when all that stuff was produced in order
to win that race that we were talking about, And
now they call those legacy programs.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, it's it's a common nomenclature, and we'll see how
that leads to confusion as well.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And let's just remember it, guys, we're not the only
players in the game, according to the documentary, and that
gets into the Cold War aspect of it, right. Yeah,
the US has these existing things that we know about
because this is where we are, and we can read
things thanks to a couple of you know, a couple
acts that went through Congress where we can actually get
privy to some of the things, some of the programs
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that have occurred in the past and how they function,
But we don't have any insight into let's say, Russian
programs or Chinese programs that the Age of Disclosure alleges
these countries have very similar, if not kind of the
exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and as we expand the scope, we'll see more
and more about that. It reminds me of a point
that it feels always necessary to bring up when we
talk about MK Ultra or creepy experiments into psychic powers,
right and precognitive abilities. There was there were entirely separate
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programs in the other Big Three that were doing the
same thing. It's something we return to again and again.
And speaking of return, who got a return to this
legacy thing? You raise such a great point, nol. We
always know that innocuous, boring names are a weapon themselves.
We know that bureaucracy creates and imposes its own relatively
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arbitrary rules and then holds onto those rules even when
they're not useful any longer. And one of those is
naming stuff legacy. So if you hie thee to your
favorite Internet forum or platform, and you look back for
years far before the release of the Age of Disclosure,
you'll see people talking about something called the legacy program.
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You'll see people further claiming hand on Kuran or hand
on the Bible that they have discovered proof of the
Department of Defense's legacy program. And get this, fellow conspiracy realist,
they're not blowing rainbows. There is a legacy resource management
program in the Department of Defense. But it's a big disappointment.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Yeah, another wamp wamp. Sadly, it has nothing to do
with aliens. It has to do with funding initiatives to
protect natural and cultural resources that are found on military
bases and installations.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's important, it's a thing.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
It's yeah, it's it's definitely something that helps, you know,
encourage military readiness and promote military readiness while also contending
with perhaps some of the environmental risks and issues that
could come with some of these construction projects. Though I
you know, I mean not to pooh poo it or anything.
I tend to believe that they favor the installations over
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the conservation.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Sounds like it covered me, guys, right, Yeah, sorry, native
people of this sovereign land. Nobody can come in here,
not because we're doing experiments, but because we're cleaning the
creek for fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The reason why the entrance to Area fifty one is, oh,
I don't know how many miles away from the actual facility.
It's a conservation.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, oh gosh, And don't go, guys, don't go. They
will shoot you. I know a couple of people who
got bird dog hard just for driving by and.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They didn't remember they had.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Past the sign.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
They had that big old event, right, And our buddy
Jordan Runtogg went. I think he did a right up
about it for People magazine, and I don't think he
was shot at. But maybe you know, safety and numbers
that message.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, that's because there were so many people and was
telegraphed so far in advance. I'm talking about actually a
friend of the show in particular, who got out to
the sign that says go go further, you will be shot.
And even after even just getting within sight of the sign,
then military vehicles came out of nowhere and.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Chase them off like bumper to bumper.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It got harry.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So don't happen around X files.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, in multiple episodes.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Just just for me, can we define bird dog I
just don't know what it means.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Oh yeah, chicken hawk bird. You know, they got eyes
on you. They're coming hot and heavy.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But I'm still learning English, guys, forgive me in this
use in my head, bird dogging is like in a
card chase where somebody is on your tuckis following you aggressively,
right in a hostile manner. So we've actually I should
have said this before because I've been using it in
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a couple of episodes.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
In the past.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Sorry about that, but yeah, that's what it means. So
we also know that the Department of Energy and the
CIA get a little bit more interesting, uh, when we're
talking about stuff that could be legacy programm esque. Also
another badger in the bag here. This is kind of
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the rhetorical we were talking about at the top. There's
been no institutional confirmation of any alien craft retrieval program.
As a matter of fact, sometimes the US government doesn't
even admit when they retrieve non domestic mundane technology because
they don't want to play their hand right looking at
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you nuclear subs and.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Just just for a flip perspective, since we are talking
a lot about this film, I mentioned an audience review.
Here is a critic review that addresses what you just mentioned.
Ben from Daniel Flemberg at the Hollywood Reporter. My problem
with the age of disclosure isn't the lack of opposing voices.
It's that there couldn't be experts debunking anything.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Here.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Nothing is proven and thus nothing can be refuted.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yep, yep, hold of one. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
This is why there's been no institutional confirmation. Though for
the true believers to jump back on the other side, I.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
See, that would be a justification. Of course, there isn't
because by design there isn't, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Right well, they would also that admission or confirmation would
also inherently require official institutional confirmation that extraterrestrials exist at
a visited Earth, so they.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
They're just not going to do they wouldn't do they
wouldn't do it. That's not it's not in the best
interest of the government, so be transparent to its citizenry
when it comes to stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is this where we bring in the Executive Order one two, three,
five six of the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen fifty
four that brought us these glorious things called special access programs,
These things that are so compartmentalized within a governmental organization,
not only a handful of people potentially even know about them.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
They're talking about firewalled stuff like like literally wheels within
wheels of people who have access to the siloed information.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, stuff you have to be read on, is what
we call.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It, to the point where the government itself likely doesn't
know or in many cases, especially the government that has
you know, people who get elect did to it that
they have no idea about.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
And that's the smoking man of it all. That's what
that character represents, is that the degree of insulation from
even the actual powers that be, there are these operations
within the greater government that even the greater government is
not aware of and that's by design too, but it's
also inherently like dangerous and flawed. I'm not saying that
what the X files is positing is true, but I
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think that's what they're trying to represent, that these types
of things likely do exist.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And we do see a lot of what we do
see is the opposite of official confirmation or coquettish implication. Instead,
we have a lot of stark denials. I'm thinking in
particular of the twenty twenty four report from ARROW, the
All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which is a pretty cool
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job if you can get it. They dove deep into
the files that they were they're part of the system,
was allowed to see, and they said there's no evidence
of anything like a legacy program, definitely not a singular
legacy program, but also nothing remotely like it. They said
that people have either accidentally or willfully confused the alien
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legacy with projects that have similar names, or they've fallen
into something very dangerous, which we call circular reporting. That's
when one person makes an unproven claim, like Tennessee says,
that's Dylan the Tennessee pel Fagan, our producer. By the way, Yes, yep,
we're introduced at the top of every show. Tennessee says, yeah,
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Dylan Tennessee, pel Fagan says, it is confirmed that the
fast food chain Pals is now making case idellas Dylan
has no proof, but somebody else reads that and they
quote what he said, and then later people quote the
person who quoted Tennessee, and then the original source might
update and say, oh, update, I have confirmed this is
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true because I read this quote in another even though
that source was quoting me. This happens all the time
in the echo chamber of the internet.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Well, and also, I mean now that, like whatever major
news outlets are having to play in the same ecosystem
as the Internet, you get a lot of knee jerk
bits of reporting from them as well, you know, not
naming names specifically, but it certainly happens. And it's a
lot harder to retract something after a splashy headline than
it is to report something correctly in the first place.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the initial breathless claim. That's the headline
that's on the sixty one. The retraction is next week
on page thirty two b below the fold back. When
people read newspapers, we know that the mainstream public in
the United States largely agrees with this official explanation. Pew
Research polls will show us that fifty one percent of
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the US public believes that UFOs reported by people in
the military are likely evidence of intelligent life outside of Earth,
but they're not worried about it because the same people
in polls, eighty seven percent of them will say UFOs
are not a threat at all. So people will tend
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to the public will tend to believe in UFOs with
an extra terrestrial origin story, but they also tend to
not be worried about them.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Man, what is happening upside me? We're not afraid of
AI uprisings anymore, We're not afraid of UAP, and a
who's not who's not afraid of AI.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
We're all like, yay AI, give me that breaks me
out beyond anything. No, no living times for sure. But
you're right about the alien fatigue or the UAP fatigue.
It certainly does not seem to be front of mind anymore,
and in the way that it has been in the past.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I remember when some big disclosure news came out amid
the high of the COVID pandemic and everybody just sort
of shrugged and said, Okay, I mean cool, I got
I got a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
What's up with toilet paper prices?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
But again, a lot of the stuff that came out
was just a nothing burgers as people want to say.
I do wonder. There's a big old blockbuster coming out
later this year from Steven Spielberg called Disclosure Day. I
saw the trailer for it last week and it looks good,
looks very you know, like him his return to form
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in terms of like some of his alien type films
like ET and what is it Close Encounters of course,
of course, of course I do wonder if that will
be zeitgeist enough to get people thinking about this stuff again.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
But we'll see, oh, one hundred percent. I'd also I'd
like to go ahead and tease a show that Dylan
and I are quite excited about the hits on the
Nexus of Film and Disclosure and UFOs. It's called Sound,
Light and Frequency, and it's heading to you very soon.
We'll be talked talking more about it in the future.
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But we are as pleased as NASA when astronauts landed
on the Moon.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
To tell you more about that in the coming days.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Sure they did. Now that's awesome. That I'm excited about
this show, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
You know what, why don't you do the odders here?
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, it's a show that's the intersection of Hollywood UFOs
and disclosure. Sounds incredible.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
So a lot of folks logically find it tough to
believe a vast program is not just monitoring alien life,
but capturing alien life and craft and functioning in secrecy.
But this is the rhetorical trap I was teasing at
the top. The true believers and those who appear to
be in the know say the secrecy is more than
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successful because of the compartmentalization. This is information that is
firewalled off such that Congress doesn't really know about it,
the Secretary of Defense doesn't really know about it. The
President of the United States from either political party doesn't
know about it. And this is why Alessando is so
interesting to us, because he has repeatedly stated that he
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had a big problem with this compartmentalization, that he made
a moral choice to resign rather than continue this charade
upon the American public. And then a lot of other
people who also seem to be in the know, folks
like James Clapper, they disagree with the idea that aliens
are not harmful. They say that any unidentified aerial phenomena
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doesn't need to be extraterrestrial to be a threat. They're
national security guys. Clapper is a big deal. He served
in the Air Force between sixty three and ninety five.
In Age of Disclosure, where he is interviewed, he talks
about tracking anomalous activities that couldn't be explained, especially around
Area fifty one or Groom Lake. It sounds a lot
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like the Legacy program. He also goes into the private
defense industry later. I don't know, man, it seems it
seems paranoid, but it also makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Well, yeah, Clappering, the official military folks that are in
the documentary are extremely concerned with America's nuclear readiness and
some of the silos that are out there in the Midwest,
and how you know, there are these alleged incidents where
unknown lights craft things in the sky caused a bunch
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of the nukes to go offline. And then you know,
that's stated to you plainly as though it's full, full
on fact in the documentary, and that is something that
is that's something we've heard about for years, right, there
have been rumors about that kind of thing, But you
don't have a piece of paper or a video or
anything like that that proves that that ever occurred. But
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if you've got somebody like a James Clapper saying that
it happened, then it seems like maybe it happened.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, because he was He's also the former Director of
National Intelligence. And this is something I think we need
to be very clear about for anybody who's unfamiliar with
this genre of government official. This cold war hawk not
a stereotype but a trope. These guys could not give
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less of a dang whether or not aliens are involved.
Their focus is on what is a threat to national security?
Anything that violates sovereign airspace could endanger aviation, which makes
it a threat to the country. So this how far
they go with it. If the government of China had
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literal dragons like smau in Lord of the Rings or
the Hobbit, if they had dragons like the Valerians or something,
or if Russia had I don't know, ginormous war geese,
nuclear armed war geese just haul again through this right.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
That's my nightmare.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
What if that happened?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The cockroaches that were actually like full on robots, but
the size of cockroaches.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
But yeah, we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Those that third example that's real though, the cockbots. Uh,
and that's that's what they're called.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Yeah, I don't believe you, but I also totally believe you.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Also X Files episode.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
So this is the issue though. We're saying that this
documentary of course focuses on the extra terrestrial question, but
some of the folks interviewed or talking just in terms
of national security, drones and weather balloons can also fall
into this category of compromising airspace, as we saw a
few years back.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Any bogies bogeys of any I love the word bogies.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Who doesn't look at you? You a little bogie. I've
been just a little shoot you down? Yeah, you a
little bogey fighting those foods. Anyway, again and again, even
before this documentary published last year, we see repeated allegations
that this or some sort of retrieval program like it exists.
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So maybe, just as a thought experiment, why don't we assume,
just for funzies, that the legacy program is real. Maybe
walk through a purported timeline and a little bit of
how stuff works.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
We love how stuff works, and a thought experiment how
stuff could works. Indeed, be right back.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
A legacy timeline, a bit of how stuff works in
our thought experiment. The story begins not in the United
States but in Italy way back in nineteen thirty three,
per David Grush and a couple of other folks. This
is when a bell shaped object was recovered and it
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was placed under a media blackout, and then later the
OSS is the short predecessor of the CIA. They obtained
this object, they found it amid the chaos of World
War II, and at the close of the war they
spirited it away hashtagnugibli to the States. And this is
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to people like Rush. This is illustrative of later operations,
tactical patterns, blackout, local recovery, diplomatic parkour, and then transfer
to US custody, all in secret and do do Do
do dooo. Please check out our series on the OSS.
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It is an amazing story and it is so crazy.
The stuff they pulled in.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Is the Office of Strategic Services, which was like a
wartime intelligence agency that was sort of the precursor to
the CIA, like you mentioned, Ben.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Oh, yes, sir, they're wild boys.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
So we're thinking here that nineteen thirty three, whatever this
thing is, it crashes out there. Right then during all
of the build up I guess to World War two,
like in between thirty three and then thirty nine, which is,
you know, officially whatever. The start of World War Two,
it was secreted away by let's say the Italian government,
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and then it's hidden and then the OSS gets a
hold of it during World War two, and there's actual
battles and everything occurring.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, during the chaos of World War Two. The sometime
during the actual war, the OSS grabs this and at
the close of the war is when they get it
over the pollen to the U States.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So it was like discovered and then then as the
secret mission or whatever it is to actually extract it occurs.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
That's good, yeah, and it sets this precedent, and from
there the US approach to recovering this anomalous stuff becomes
kind of formulaic. It's sort of procedural. Right now, it's
just a technical problem. It's just a matter of the logistics.
People aren't necessarily super duper excited. There's probably some guide
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in office rolling his eyes and going ugh, now, I
need like seven fake passports to keep him.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
In my case, with my loose diamonds.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Right, yes, which would be great. That would that would work?
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Actually, that's where I know you from.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Okay, So do we know the.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
See?
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I guess we can't. It's in other things that we
can't prove. I'm thinking about the history of the Groom
Lake facilities there Mount Nevada, and you know, officially on
paper if you look up things online, it's not established
until the nineteen fifties. But I do wonder in the
contiguous United States, where would you bring that craft? Right?
Let's just theoretically, if if you got that craft from Italy,
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where do you take it?
Speaker 5 (52:48):
And how do you transport it like without being noticed
as well?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah? Cargo ship? Wow? I see? Or how big is
it too? That's the only thing we need to know,
the dementia, because would it be a combination of flying
it out somewhere which is way faster than just popping
it on a train convoy or something.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
This is cool. I love this stuff, you guys know me.
I have a sucker for this stuff. Deep government secrets,
ancient or aliad relics. Sign us up.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
What is the giant military plane that's used commonly for
like cargo is that right? No, I think it is
Sea one thirty.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, Sea one thirty now, and are you talking about
like back in the day.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine what would be the large
enough aircraft, right because I can't just can't stop thinking
about this, man, the actual things that you the stuff
you would use at that time, and then what would
the decision be. And in that moment, let's say we
all discovered a craft, right, just the four of us.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Oh, hey guys walking around, five of the five of us,
because you're here too, So, hey, guys, we found a craft.
Hey guys, look AT's a craft. What do we do
with it?
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Well, don't mean really, and you would use everything you
have on hand because it would be an emergency, right right,
like you can't Okay, well, we need to develop something
that's gonna be big enough to transfer this. You just
use what you got, which is I think the most
interesting part of this because as we're going back through
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and imagining this, if the Legacy program is real, there's
gonna be stuff if it is real, if it was real,
there's stuff that we saw or maybe was reported on.
There was a part of this thing that you know
has a completely innocuous version of it that we all
somehow know, oh.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
One hundred percent. Yeah, I think about that all the
time when because our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia is
a city where aviation and train lines took the role
that was historically filled by waterways and rivers and coast
so it's very common for us to see things like
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military equipment passing by on a train line through the city.
Here's what strikes me. We hope you enjoy this, two folks.
If you're ever stopped and you're watching a train go by,
just start thinking about what might be in those cargo
containers every time?
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Yeah, and when will it end?
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Train?
Speaker 5 (55:20):
So you can, you know, go on your merrywag.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Ye dude is for real speaking of and don't want
to get to polycharged right now, guys. But did anyone
see the posts about the large shipments of ice trucks
on the way Not for the ice storm?
Speaker 5 (55:33):
No, No, they're like in those types of vehicles that
you see carrying like, you know, cars to be sold
or whatever, stats trailer things. Yeah. I saw some posts
that people had, you know, made videos from their cars.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I hope I make it back to the states man.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
We hope you do too bad. Yeah, please come back.
It's great over here.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah, we love it so we We also know the
film mentions Halloman Air Force Space the incident there in
nineteen seventy one. This stands out because it purportedly involves
non human intelligent beings interacting with personnel from the CIA
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and the US Air Force. Like they came up and
they said, what's good, you guys. We've got an exciting
new thing we call velcrow. You gotta check it out.
And man, they said, and they said, well to us,
you're the aliens tots.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
Oh my god, mind blown galaxy brain. There's no chance
that they would just be instantly able to just like
kick it like that.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
They were that chill.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
I saw Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
We've talked about it before with movies like Arrival of
a Thought experiment like the Language of It.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
No possible way, yeah, right, unless there's just something that
we don't understand about where in time space from perspective
to mension these visitors came from right, and if they
are of in some way that we just don't understand
right now, they.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Could communicate maybe right or get you to understand.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
There could be technology involved. I suppose, right, like in
the dolphins.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Something that can make a look squence exactly if the
humans have figured out how to give dolphins LSD and
how to make Google Translate apps, obviously hopefully the aliens
are way better. There would also be well, we'll see,
we're being anthrocentric here, because this could be something that
is so incomprehensible, this culture, this organism, this communicative priority
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or medium, that there could be no real way to
efficiently communicate past a very basic level.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
It's it's a problem that's fascinating. I love the way
Rival tackles it. Please read the original short story, and
I love the I love the concept too that tried
so or not to just do dumb alien improv riffs.
But I love the concept that it's a very real
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dangerous concept that humans could accidentally innocuously do something of
great offense or something that is seen as posing a danger.
Oh yeah, you know, like what if hydrogen sulfide or
any of the other of those fart gases. What if
those are absolute anathema and poison to aliens and somebody
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is stressed out understandably when they meet the aliens.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
They're like, hey, guys, what's up. We're sick. Aliens want
to hang out. Have you guys heard of Velcrow?
Speaker 3 (58:43):
And this one guy goes, oh no, And then two
aliens die and now we're in our first innergalactic.
Speaker 5 (58:49):
War die or are incredibly offended, as they should be
because that's gross. And then just you know, pull the
nuke lever and we all, you know, poof, And that
was our story.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Also, one of the assumptions that a lot of Hollywood
film makes, and a lot of sci fi too, is
the assumption that extraterrestrials visiting are their civilization's equivalent of
a crack team of experts. There is no proof that
we're getting visited by the top brass, you know what
(59:21):
I mean? Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
There's the Aquatine episode Okatane Hunger Forces, where it's these
like kind of stoner aliens whose dad owns a dealership
and they're like, you know, uh oh wit no. It's
also ignig Knock and err who are completely you know,
unqualified to be you know, making first contact. So I
love that version of events. Ben, I think that's entirely likely.
These were just like folks that's intergalactically stumbled upon us
and didn't really.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
Have a plare we go? They took a wrong turn
at serious beat. That's a Dogon reference, folks.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh snow, I don't know what that is. Do Petrie who?
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah, who allegedly had advanced knowledge of serious A and
B before the dawn of modern astronomy.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Okay, I thought you were talking about Dagon, the HP
Lovecraft adaptation also great, very well, you know, problematic but
great writer. Some made some banger stories for sureoted for our.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Interview with Dagon.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Oh yeah, No, not talking about Lovecraft.
Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Are you talking about Dagon the Infernal One?
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
He is good. Hang good? Hang that guy, good good?
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Hang Love's yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Oh man. So when we're talking about the non human
biologics of all of this stuff that you know, folks
have stated in Congress, and we're talking about right here
Holloman Air Force Base nineteen seventy one potentially beings, right,
biological beings of some sort, it makes me think of
our explorations in all kinds of topics, like Project Bluebeam,
talking about a AI in the past, talking about space
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exploration and the limits of the limits of biological entities. Sure,
it just makes me wonder why in the heck you
would make that decision, no matter where you're from, no
matter what technology level you're at, Why would you send
a biological entity down to greet the people rather than
some kind of pro that can communicate whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then that that's a great question.
It also goes back to not just ideas of physical
personal safety, right, which the same reason we send unmanned
stuff deep into the ocean, but it also goes to
the idea of a culture that humans simply don't know about,
so it may be incredibly important, indeed sacrisynct to their
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diplomatic process.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, you've got to slarg the girth, kid, or it's
not an official, you know, meeting of another species.
Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Is that the same as drops them sklang scracks them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I never get it, right, is it? If your fami
it is? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Well, also, you know, it also presupposes that it's not
your last idea, Ben, that they're just sort of like,
you know, stoner alien wanderers that sort of just like
found a way, you know, because their technology is good
enough that they could just accidentally breathe Earth's atmosphere, or
perhaps they're desperate and they don't have the technology, or
they have to like brave you know, the atmosphere in
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order to make contact because they need help or something.
I don't know, there's a million you're to cut it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, I like that too. Know, we're we're the last
gas station in the desert, it's cosmically speaking, so they've
got to fuel up. You know what if they.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Need hydrogen sulfide for fuel bin right right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I think of that same thing too.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
It's like for anybody who's ever been on a road trip,
it's a formative experience for many of US Americans. I
think we've all been in that situation where you got
to go to the sketchy gas station, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Or that stretch where you've miscalculated slightly and now you
really have no choice and you may well have to
stop at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know, filling station,
because that's the only one for miles and miles and miles,
and the alternative is to just like be dead in
the water, as it were.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I will never be able to listen to that Dwight
Yoakam song the same way again. It Yeah, man, you
know what, well, we know that all of the experts
in age of disclosure are unable or unwilling to disclose
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exactly how many events like Roswell or the Italy episode
or Holloman have occurred. They say it probably ranges in
the double digits, especially during the height of the First
Cold War. And they said a lot of times they
retrieved craft remnants or what they call artifacts, or what
they call exotic materials. But as you were saying, Matt,
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they also claim to have recovered non human biologics that's
a term that gets thrown around a lot, or organic remains,
some kind of you know, something like that, right, something
quote unquote natural. And this is what drove the program,
the Legacy program, to an even higher level of secrecy,
(01:04:01):
which is hard. It's already a tall milkshake. As we said, essentially,
they're same Finding netto non organic material is amazing, it's
tikety boo. It's all well and good. But discovering organic
material raises some deep legal and moral questions and then
serious concerns about possible threats to public health. You know
(01:04:24):
what I mean, because we know what happens historically on
planet Earth when one culture intrudes upon another. They never
come alone. They come with diseases, they come with pathogens,
and the local population historically is not prepared for those. Yeah,
space measles, spacepox, space pox, that's the there, it is, spacebox.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But we're also not ready for the tech, right, which
is another huge part of this documentary, the concept that
along with these non human biologics, they've got very specific
pieces of tech that have been reverse engineered to become things.
In the documentary they say they don't specifically say what technologies,
(01:05:09):
but we might infer I know, I did a little
bit when it comes to what type of tech has
been recovered. You think about your phone, You think about sure,
certain networking capabilities that we have now, the speed and
the size of some of the tech that we use now,
stuff on the nanoscale, stuff when you know, when you're
(01:05:30):
looking at modern technology and how quickly stuff has developed.
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Material science is another.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, you can imagine that, or you can let yourself imagine, oh,
some of this is probably alien.
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
M oh, absolutely, especially when you consider it sound like
such an old entity now, especially when you consider we
can make a great case that human civilization is still
not prepared for stuff like the radio or television.
Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Well in terms of like our cognition or like God forbid,
we even bring the Internet into the equation. Like it's
just like it's almost unnatural the way we've become so in,
you know, all in on some of this technology. It's
almost like we were never really meant for it, and
it has fundamentally changed the way our cognition works, not
for the better.
Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
The society has not evolved in step with technological innovation,
and human beings have not physically evolved to process, to
efficiently process, to deal with all the stuff that's happening.
It's a very exciting time to be alive. Some of
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the scary stuff here that we're talking about is a
real world concerned of global governments, especially the stories of
things that exhibited what they're calling ionization effects. These might
pose a danger to surrounding materials, like change the color
of paint on vehicles affect humans, possibly radiating them and
(01:07:06):
leading to cancer or leading to burns. We're going to
get moored to that in part two of our series here,
but we have to let you know, folks. One of
the most believable parts of the story is the bureaucratic
description that they boiled it down to grab a thing,
get it to the nerds, analyze it, and give it
(01:07:28):
to our specific folks like the Atomic Energy Commission, the CIA,
the DOE. Because when we do that, they're getting bureaucratic cover.
This indemnifies you from some of the legal stuff we
mentioned earlier, like feuer request. It gets you out of
or invisible from a regulatory audit. You don't have to
tell the president. This alien is, you know, just for us,
(01:07:52):
just as a treat for us. We know that defense
contractors begin playing and easingly large role because they're private firms,
they work differently. It's way easier to sneak stuff under
the Skunk Works radar, right, and they already by this
(01:08:12):
point post World War Two, they have a pretty well
proven track record of being able to keep a secret,
so they're vetted entities.
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Well yeah, and Congress can't compel the folks over at
Skunk Works right to disclose their information on their proprietary technology.
Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, exactly, sorry, trade secret. You guys wouldn't ask Coca Cola.
So why are you picking on us? Which is terrifying,
but that is kind of the logic and you're absolutely
right there, Matt and we fast forward to two thousand
and three, we see our good friends at the CIA,
the Directorate of Science and Technology. They've created something called
(01:08:54):
the Office of Global Access or UGA, like O Good anyway.
UGA's job is to access what we call denied environments
across the planet once a craft is detected. These guys
again allegedly work with elite military outfits, you know, the
real GYT guys, Delta and Seals and so on. They
(01:09:17):
send them in to acquire whatever this thing is by
hook or by crook, and that brings us to something
that might not be familiar to everybody. Sack the Special
Activities Center of the CIA, which I believe we've mentioned
in a couple of different episodes over the years. This
is the cinematic kind of special ops group of the CIA,
(01:09:39):
directly descended from the paramilitary operations of the OSS. These
are the guys who don't wear uniforms. These are the
dudes and dodets who, if they are compromised, will be
thrown to the Wolves and the wind Right. Their activities
will be disavowed if they're caught. They're never anywhere official.
(01:10:01):
Nothing they've ever done officially occurred. The euphemism for what
these folks do in the Legacy program is unwarned access.
That's a spooky one't folks of the government. Yeah right,
they're like the uh they're the B and E guys
(01:10:21):
on they're the breaking and entering guys on a much
fancier level. They we were joking earlier about crafting dummy passports.
These guys don't really need them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah, you've ever been nervous about some black Hawk helicopters.
It's these guys.
Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, but not officially, because nothing they do is official.
Unwarned access is just so tar and spooky, man because
that literally means that these guys will, at the direction
of OGA. According to this story, these guys will just
drop by. They don't knock, they don't send a text,
(01:10:57):
they don't call, They just show up outside tran because
a spaceship landed there. So okay, so we've got our process.
Once the CIA and the military do their bit, any
retrieved material goes to the contractors and their vaults for analysis.
So this does two things. It gives us cover right bureaucratically,
(01:11:20):
and then it also gives us some chances to start
reverse engineering. And then at the same time, the Department
of Energy has their own cabal of very intelligent nerds
who get any anything that could be.
Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Anything that could.
Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Be associated with radioactive activity or unexplained emissions of energy,
and they look at stuff that's also on you know,
the weird end of the periodic table, the weird material science.
Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So the Office of Global Access is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Yes, it is a real thing, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Is c I A. Huh, that's very strong. I mean
it does that does seem like the actual collection arm
you know that that would that could function if it
was necessary for and an activity like this to collect
a crashed vessel or something.
Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, if you uh, that's the thing, Matt. It's it
feels sticky, right, guys, because we already are talking about
such a covert secretive intelligence arm in the first place, right,
we we found mentions of UGAT on a CIA dot
gov themselves. And then for people who think this really
(01:12:45):
is the thing or the key to the legacy program,
they're going to say, of course, you can't learn much
about it because it's secret. Right, So again there's that
rhetorical trap, and I don't know, I'd like the question
then becomes Okay, the only way for all of this
to happen with so many people and still maintain opsec
(01:13:08):
and secrecy would be for not everybody to know the
entire process, right, Like you might be flying the plane
that transports a thing, but you don't know the thing
you're transporting. You just fly stuff. You're just Jason Statham
the transporter, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Let's read quickly from THECIA dot gov website says, the
Directorate of Science and Technology applies innovative scientific, engineering and
technical solutions in support of our foreign intelligence mission. Let's see,
it's going into confronting intelligence problems with effective targeting, bold technology,
and superb tradecraft. Yeah, isn't it weird when when something
(01:13:57):
like the CIA has so many sub organizations with such
specific things that they do. Yeah, doesn't it make you
think of special access programs?
Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Maybe I'm no, you're on base. It's a home run.
It's the subprograms are necessary evil for sure, and not
all of obviously, not all of them are related to aliens,
and not all unworn access operations are related to aliens. Right,
(01:14:29):
they might just go grab a cold Maduro. At some point,
these things existed independently of UFOs, And I love that
we're mentioning Science and Technology, because Age of Disclosure argues
that if anybody knows the full picture, it would be
the director of CIA Science and Tech. During the timeframe
(01:14:50):
that Age of Disclosure discusses, this role was filled by
someone named Dawn Marry X and the this person made
no comment obviously, and no one's serting currently in the USAF,
the CIA, the DOE, or any other associated agency has
officially confirmed the acquisition of extraterrestrial craft or the stuff
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described in the film. True believers are convinced again that
all these things, these objects are somewhere just off to
the side outside of the frame, but skeptics argue this
is a best a misunderstanding, at worst a cynical grift,
and we have so so much more to get to. Guys.
(01:15:37):
I'm excited that we we've made the call to create
a two parter out of this.
Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
More than enough material we found to justify it, and
I think we've Matt brought some really cool information that
we're going to lead off with in the second episode.
Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
You want to tease some of that map.
Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Uh, yeah, sure, this is just again kind of what
we did in the In the second part of this episode,
we're just gaming out right, what could be with what exists?
What could be a part of this thing if it
did exist? And we're just going to go down rabbit
more rabbit holes like we did right here with the
CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, which is I don't know,
(01:16:20):
it's tricksy, it sure is weird.
Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Oh, let's get in.
Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
I had so much of that stuff. Let's get it.
If we're game, let's get into more of that in
part two as well. Now, our ideal outcome vote and
I can't believe I'm saying this, but hope springs Eternal.
Our ideal outcome would be between the time we record
chapter one of this series and the time we record
chapter two of this series, world governments come out and
(01:16:48):
confirmed that aliens are real, and an alien takes the
podium and tells us you know, about what's going on
with them, and hopefully they're chill.
Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
I would like, am I picturing Mars attacks? I don't
know why that is where my mind goes immediately.
Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I just love the idea, like what if before we
get while we're still on the road, before we get
to chapter two, we get confirmation that aliens are real?
I say, we still do the episode just say the course, man,
we worked so hard on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
That's what That's what all the heads of these special
access programs say. It's too late, We're already in too
far critical mass boys.
Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah, they we'll get one of those. Weird. It'll be
like when Wiki leaks had its heyday and the US
government had to release this official statement telling all government employees,
we know this is out there and you can read it,
but guys, technically it is still classified, so just don't
(01:17:48):
google it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
When the alien just comes down and just says, gets
out of the spaceship and says, do unto others as
you would have done unto you.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
I bring you love, I bring you peace. Simpsons did it?
Matt Simpsons did it?
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I was is this guy named Jesus?
Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I would like him to land and say, uh, I
would like, I'm still in love with very fart based
alien civilization. So they go who onto others as you
would have them who on to you and too far
picturing No, this is never too fun. I pictured pictory
world leaders going does this guy mean like literally literally
(01:18:34):
have evidence?
Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Do we have evidence of an international America incident caused
by a fart? I would love to let us know
about what. Nothing comes to mind, but it's they're certainly
never too late.
Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
So what do you think, folks, could the same government
that cannot figure out basic tax structure really be capable
of spending trillions in absolute silence and hiding the biggest
revelation in all of human history. Tune in for chapter
two on the Legacy Program. In the meantime, we'd love
to hear your thoughts. So you can find us online.
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You can call us on the phone, and you can
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Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Mm hmm.
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
Guys have been getting ready for this episode. I am
so excited. I watched season three, episode twenty of X
Files Jose chungs from outer Space. Do you guys remember
that one?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I do, yes, I do?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
No not that what I have been doing to rewatch
myself and I prepared by watching the X Files crossover
episode of The Simpsons.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hi Bring you Peace, kilm.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I prepared by dusting off all of our previous research
over the years since we first began this show as
a video series. By the way, on pre youtubeoo, nobody
checks out.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Creating Netflix as a streamer. It was back when Netflix
was sending discs in the mail.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So I dusted off all these old paper files from
various government agencies, various episodes we did and realize that
we've always had the same mission when it comes to UFOs,
just like Molder said, we want to believe. And recently
a lot of people were tuning into various programs or
(02:02):
various news interviews, even congressional testimony about the nature of UFOs,
what we call UAP and the concept of disclosure. What
disclosure argues is that world governments not only possess evidence
of intelligent non human activity around Earth and in near
(02:23):
Earth orbit, but they also are on the verge of
revealing this to the public. Now. I don't know about
you guys, but a lot of the folks I have
contact with have started to encounter something we could call
uapf or UAP fatigue, because it's always almost about to
(02:44):
go public, right.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Or you know, when they did drop some info about
it recently, it was all a little bit underwhelming, if
I remember correctly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, yeah, because you can't. Nobody is willing to go
forward and do the thing that would considered illegal and
that is to share the super classified, top secret documents.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot of people have come forward, include David Crush,
a lot of people who gave to testimony and they
gave a lot of information to Congress right under oath.
They they talked about things, but they would not or
could not go into detail in a public setting, which
is just like, yeah, makes sense, but it's disheartening. I
guess for anybody who is not in that room right,
(03:28):
who isn't going to get to have some kind of
special session that's closed off with those guys to talk
about that stuff if they have the proper clearance. So
it's just you know, I get it. I understand the
fatigue of it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah. I think one great way to put it, folks,
is it feels surreal and it feels like a heck
of a wamp womp moment to have these experts with
bona fides out the wazoo go straight to Congress the
halls of power and say, I swear that I can't
(04:01):
really tell you about this. That's exactly what happens, and
that's why so many people are going, you know, look
up there in the sky. Is it a bird?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Is it a playing?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it a secret government plot to hide the true
story of UFOs. We know right now as we're recording
on January twenty sixth, that there have been no official
institutional admissions of alien activity, but more and more experts
(04:31):
as well as politicians are talking about it openly. And
this episode owes a lot of inspiration to a documentary
we all checked out more than once called The Age
of Disclosure. You're doubtlessly familiar with it if you check
out shows like ours, and we do recommend you check
(04:51):
it out. But there's something hidden in there which is
even more interesting than the typical talk of UFO disclosure.
It's something called the Legacy Program.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
The Legacy Program.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And I know when we watched it, we thought, is
it possible that that thing is real?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Really?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Could that be the thing?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Another innocuous name that that that portends some shady business?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah? And the reason I brought up that X Files
episode is because there is a specific organization that somehow
in the nineties those folks were thinking about or talking about,
that appears to be talked about in this documentary as
though it's an actual facts thing.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Matt, could you remind me, I don't remember the one
the plot of the X Files episode just in broad strokes,
because I do want to go check it out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
The Jose Chung one is a very silly one that's
told from a bunch of different perspectives about a UFO sighting.
I specifically watched it because I wanted to get my
Jesse Ventura on for this episode, and then he features
heavily as a men in black that episode.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Tracks Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so we see again, we
see that interesting blend of fiction and fact which happens
all the time in this sort of.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Milieu of conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But I was also left with that question after Age
of Disclosure, because it called back to so much research
we had done previously, and I, like so many other
people across the planet, was going, what is this legacy program?
Does it actually exist? And if so, can we prove
that existence? We'll be back afterword from our sponsors. Here
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are the facts. Let's start with the Age of Disclosure.
How would we describe it? I mean, it's a documentary
created by Dan Farrah and it's narrated by none other
than Louise Elizondo, who we all remember.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Hugely large looming figure in these types of conversations.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, Luis is all over the inner if you look
up the UAP phenomena, and that is because of you know,
a tip. The party played an a tip and you know,
he and a bunch of other people who actually looked
into this stuff. Thanks Harry Reid for making that happen.
I suppose the thing the standout part of this documentary
is the number of human beings that it interviews, in
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high profile interviews of folks that a lot of times
don't talk about this, some people who talk about all
the time and that's all they talk about, and then
others that, you know, especially with Marco Rubio, you go, huh, yeah,
you're saying, what.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Marco, Marco, what else was on your schedule for today,
Little Marco. That's one of the things I was thinking, Yeah,
And I think it's fair to compare this somewhat to
a mixtape with a strong thematic spine with a narrative,
because Age of Disclosure compiles tons and tons of interviews
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with ufologists. Right as we were saying, people who dedicate
their life to this, as well as former and current
government officials, politic titians, members of the military and intelligence community.
We've mentioned a lot of these folks. Previously we went
in depth to the testimony of folks like the former
US Department of Defense Intel officer David Grush. You can
(08:15):
check that out in full if you visit our catalog
wherever you find your favorite shows.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's oh, just mentioning Grush. High Strange Season two is
about to come out. That's Payne Lindsay's show, and David
Grush is extensively a part of that season and he's
got more to say, so you know, we'll have to
kind of just wait, but it's very interesting stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Nice congrats, Pain, And we know that in age of Disclosure,
the people interviewed, they range across political ideologies and you know,
lines of belief in areas of expertise. But the thing
they have in common is they all seem to genuinely
believe alien intelligence doesn't just exist, but has visited our
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little cosmic suburb of Earth. I guess we should point
out that some of the individuals interviewed might be considered
you know, fringe or controversial. Right, let's just get in
front of that one, because there are a lot of
mainstream scientists who.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Immediately dismiss this stuff as bubble.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean, according to Lisa Simpson in the Simpsons
X Files crossover episode, I mentioned the chances of being
contacted by an alien life form of any kind are
in the you know, one to millions in terms of
the odds, And I'm sure he's referencing some of the
practical data of the time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Oh for sure. Well, if you look to the writing
of somebody like Michael Shermer, who writes for her Skeptic magazine,
he points out Luis Alizondo as somebody that we need
to be skeptical of, which is really interesting because this
that guy, he's been at the center of this a
TIP and UAP movement actually with regards to Congress since
the jump, really and he's been he's been talking about
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it publicly a lot. But then somehow people always call
in to question his actual involvement at a TIP and
he has position there, and there's.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
A lot of infighting in the community itself, you know,
like there are a lot of people like Grush will
say that there are people participating in cover ups or
that they are purporting to be part of a disclosure
movement while actually managing access to it or attempting to
control and suppress genuine information so even in these circles,
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not all of these folks trust each other one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
But then we have to decide who we trust. Because
the official word out of the Pentagon from Christopher Sherwood.
This is a quote from him, as quote by Michael
Shermer quote, mister Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to
the A tip program. So we have to decide, is
that the Pentagon put out, you know, an official story
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that's cover for something, or to you know, discredit mister Elizondo.
I mean, we know that that's a thing that happens.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Sure, sure, disavowing knowledge of activities, right, it's relabsolutely. We've
got another quote here that I think differentiates Age of
Disclosure from a lot of other documentaries in that same
field because the director says he sought only to interview
people who have direct knowledge of the government programs in questions.
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So he's not talking to people who heard something third hand.
He's not talking to someone who just wants to sell
a book and has some logical ideas. These are people who, yeah,
as far as Dan is concerned, are in the trenches.
That's also a note you can find in the Skeptic
article that you're referencing there, Matt and and lo and behold,
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this approach met with phenomenal success. Only thirty percent going
to Rotten Tomatoes. Because we're film nerds. Only thirty percent
of critics seem to really dig it, But the popcorn
meter gives it a ninety three percent approval rating. That
means the general audience said, whatever, critics, you're stuck up,
(12:17):
We love this thing.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
More aliads please.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's crazy that it's that low and rot tomatoes. I
never would have expected that after watching it.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Here's the thing, though, I mean, it's always super fascinating
when the critics score and audience score are completely, like,
diametrically opposed in one direction or another. A lot of
times you'll have a movie that is blown out of
the water in terms of like critical response and then
has an absolutely, you know, abysmal audience score.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So critics' Darlene.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, Usually if there's a mismatch like that, it's probably
worth checking out for one reason or another.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's a great point, Noil, I haven't seen something this
divisive between critics and audience since the legendary Police Academy four.
Oh gosh, you check that out as well. It's a
spiritual predecessor to Age of Disclosure if you really think
about it.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Critics love that audience is now I have a feeling direction.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They're making the same remarks of I'm just looking at
a couple of these men, the same remarks that we
talked about at the top, where it's what's happening in Congress,
it's what's happening on your social media feeds and all
these posts and books and everything, a lot of really cool,
unprovable stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And that is the kicker. You're going to hear us
mention that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
A couple of times, folks, because we cannot overemphasize at
no point in the entirety of this documentary does Age
of Disclosure present any hard physical evidence. There's nothing provided
for the audience. We mean, there are tons of statements there.
There's plenty of video footage, and a lot of it
is older stuff you've seen before, like tic TAC videos.
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There in depth interviews with people who have heard hell
as we would say in Tennessee, of are programs in secrets.
But nobody takes the director or Louise on a UFO
joy ride. Nobody is holding up a piece of let
me see, nobody's holding up a piece of physical stuff
or anxiety materials.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
This is just get that light.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
And that makes sense that you have critics kind of
you know, dumping on this, because that is not something
that usually bodes well for critical response if a documentary
does not present good sources or they don't have some
sort of like basis. In fact, I think that often,
you know, is a ding towards a film for critics.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Agreed, But have we learned nothing from agents Molder and
Scully guys, We've learned.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Those crews.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Those crews always come in afterwards and clean up all
the evidence. That's why there's no evidence to hold up
into show. They've got they've got crews of people. The
smoking man's in the court, or the cancer man he's
over there. He's getting all kinds of different organizations to
make sure we never see anything, we can never prove.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Anything, right.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
This is what we were talking about off air. There's
a weird rhetorical trap that occurs in this kind of
stuff and also just something that grinds my gears a
little bit, even as a kid watching X Files when
they had the cleaner scenes and the cover up scenes
The smoking man is not named. Ironically, he is always
(15:22):
smoking cigarettes, and cigarettes have a very distinct, very durable smell.
So if he is on the scene of a cleanup,
eventually somebody's going to say, who keeps smoking this whole time?
What does it always smell like tobacco? Whatever? We can't
find a body.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Also, I mean not named for nothing that you know.
His job was to throw up smoke screens the States
the truth clown people's views of true events.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He's also symbolically a ca answer right yeah, inside the
government that is trying to stop He's trying to grow whatever.
What is he trying to grow? Well, we won't spoil
xols for you.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's so long. Chris Carter would be so mad. He
works so hard on it.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Guys, just check it out.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I'm more of a Monster of the Week kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah. Yeah. Also symbolically, you know, he represents a father
big brother esque or Wellian figure. Anyway, when you're watching
Age of Disclosure, another thing that stood out to us
is no one introduces a known extraterrestrial for a chat.
No extra terrestrial does not show up for an interview.
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Now are some of the people being interviewed secretly aliens
will tell you when they email uspat but for now
they all seem to be human presenting.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Speaking of whether or not someone is secretly an alien,
I highly recommend everyone go out immediately and check out Bogonia.
The Yorgos Lanthemos movie amounts a group of canspiracy nuts
that abduct a CEO of a chemical company or a
pharmaceutical company because they believe her to be an alien.
And it's fascinating and very in line with a lot
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of the thought experiments we talk about here on this show.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh yeah, I would say, guys, I want to see
I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
No, it's great.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I would say. The feeling you get as an experiencer
of this documentary is that those alien bodies are right
around the corner, right. You get the feeling that there
is definitely something in a vault somewhere. These guys were
talking to in the documentary just can't access it because
it's impossible, But you something in you knows. Oh, there
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are multiple bodies somewhere.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, it's old school Hitchcock rules of film. Right. The
monster is just outside of the frame, just in the corner,
but it's there. It's there and you better straighten up
and fly right. Okay, no more Mora leys for you.
But there's also the talk of non human biologics, a
very interesting term. But you'll never see somebody hold up
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a jar and say, yeah, you know, and they gave
all of us one of these, you know, when you
retire from the secret government program, and I.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Want to know. I mean, one thing that was I
think featured pretty heavily in the X Files movie was
the idea of alien technology that far outpaces anything that
we as consumers, as regular old you know Jo's and
Jans know about in terms of what's available to the
public or even to the government. And a lot of
the u UAP sightings often get attributed to tests of
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this kind of secret technology, whether it be alien or
just stuff that the government doesn't want us to know
about yet. So why don't we have any of those
bits of evidence. You'd think something would have come to
lights Oh certain point.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I love that point, because the argument is it's slowly
trickling out stuff like Velcrow and man.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Is that the height of a human ingenuity?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's the height that's good, that's the aliens weren't ever
actually crashing They were landing and telling people repeatedly that
they were excited about Velcrow.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It just makes such a satisfying rip, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, it was Actually it was kind of an MLM scheme,
and that's why Uncle Sam is covering it up because
we fell for it. Hook and Technology. They sorry, they
fell for it. We're not the We're not the big
weed on that one.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The other big concept that exists out there in the
UAP a verse, which is currently experiencing fatigue, as we've said,
is that these stories about secret craft and reverse engineering
and all that stuff is the cover, right, Yeah, that
is the cover for the actual government stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
That's an alternate narrative. It's a little easier to stomach.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Is that kind of as old as time? And we
know that's historically true, that has been proven.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Back in the day.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The FBI and parts of the CIA totally loved the
Little Green Men's stories because it helped you. It helped
you explain away a stealth bomber, right, And it's the
kind of info war that you couldn't you couldn't improve on.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
It's just perfect.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It ticks all the boxes for shutting people up or
dismissing what they as he said, Matt experience, and this
is all culminating right in Age of Disclosure, which has
great pacing. Objectively, it's a roller coaster, it's a thrill ride.
But because of all these points we mentioned, critics from
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the world of film and science and even ufologists have
a lot of gripes with the project. I mean, we
can just cut past the mainstream science problems with that
we all know about those, and shout out to all
our scientists in the crowd, thank you for doing the
hard work. One thing I thought was really interesting is
that some film critics and some ufoll specially ufologists, the
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people who we imagine would champion this documentary, Some of
them are saying, look, this is just all stuff that's
been remarked upon and presented plenty of times in the past.
It just looks new because as a higher than average
production value, it might be new information to the casual viewer.
(21:23):
They're saying, but anyone who is lightly familiar with the
world of UFOs has already heard this stuff. So that's
one of the ufologists criticisms. They're saying, it's exciting, but
it's not really news to us.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Is this film getting mainstream attention. I guess I haven't
really seen it. I mean, not that there would be a
giant marketing campaign for any documentary these days, but is
this getting an audience?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
There was a hype train for this thing, okay, oh yeah,
and people are super excited for it.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Because they thought it was going to reveal something new.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well yeah, but I think it has to do with
what Ben's talking about there, the overall production value of
the thing, the names that are meant and right in
the in the trailers and teasers that came out, it
just seemed it seemed like a legitimate UAP UFO documentary.
And we know Jeremy Corbel, right, and Jeremy Corbell makes
really high quality films. When he's talking about these things,
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this is even and it's no offense to you, Jeremy,
if you're if you're watching this, but it is this
is on another level. This is like a Hollywood film,
but it's also a documentary about UAP.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, it's like shown in theaters level, you know what
I mean. And I think it's fair to say that
we all thoroughly enjoy this documentary. It just scratches us
behind the ears. It's that nerdy conspiracy umami that we
all love.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
And yeah, have you seen the poster? It kind of
rips off our book. Yeah, dude, look it up.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Look it up real quick.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
No, that's cool, man, What.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I mean rip off is strong, But I'm just saying
there's not that like we created this this template or whatever.
But I mean, our buddy Benson did a fine job
and it is a very similar layout and color scheme
and like the beaming down from the spaceship and the
like art style of it. I don't know. I think
they might have seen it.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Well that's pretty flattering actually if they have. But also
to be clear, we didn't invent the the UFO beam up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
There's the book.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I mean, it is a thing, y'all. It's pretty funny.
It is like the same It even has the same building.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Dude, do you think gosh, yeah, new copier.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
See y'all there, proper.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I love discovering these things.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
And also, if you want to check out more of
Nick's work, I think he's fine with us saying this.
You can find him on Instagram. He also does a
ton of stuff for one of our favorite hip hop
outfits run the Jewels.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
And also like our book is still available in hardback,
and if for no other reason then to get Nick's
incredible art. It's like a coffee table book with these
beautiful images that are Buddy Benson designs. Oh, that's one
of my favorites. There's like a hold on, like a
like a this guy right here we got made into
some pretty cool kind of what do you call it,
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shiny metallic posters that I think we all have.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Yea, I love it. Good job the eyeball man.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And uh, he's he's got of our smoking man or
our our conspiracy Clippy.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
As we go through that book.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Clippy is already a conspiracy unto himself. Man, that guy's
got his finger on the pulse or really was it was?
Clippy has little hands, don't he.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He's got an attitude, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I don't always care for his tone in my mom
picturing him with like Mickey Mouse, like white gloved hands.
But I don't think he has appendages that Clippy just
big eyeballs.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You know who's a real smoking man? Microsoft co pilot.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I don't know that guy. You don't have to Microsoft
co Pilot check out our AI episodes. Folks. Anyway, the
king Man is this Skindy Will Pearson Google search him,
you'll find him. Oh and just above their Connell Byrne
dun Dun Dun. So Look, we're not going to relitigate
(25:14):
that kind of stale back and forth about disclosure tonight. Instead,
we want to explore that thing that really struck us
like a bolt of lightning, like Colonel Kurtz says in Apocalypse,
now a diamond bullet right in your forehead. The idea
of the Legacy program or program for our brit friends,
(25:35):
okay in a nutshell, for the idea is that for
decades and decades and decades, the same people who can't
for the life of them, get a lot of progress
in the United States or get your taxes right, have
somehow run above top secret compartmentalized projects or series of
projects to retrieve crash UFOs. Not only do that, but
(25:57):
to reverse engineer them in hopes of, like you said,
no leveraging technology beyond the limits of human prowess. This
is according to the true believers, operated by elements of
the OSS and then the CIA, the US Air Force,
the Department of Energy, a rogues gallery of private defense contractors,
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all of whom have allegedly retrieved crash vehicles and alien bodies.
And sh, don't tell anybody, even though it takes thousands
of us to do.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
This for generations.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Sh Let's keep it a secret, because secrets are fun.
It's a cosmically tall milkshake. It's an extraordinary claim.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And how is all of that wrapped up in a
new Cold war that, according to the creators of the documentary,
is of more dire consequence than the nuclear energy and
nuclear weapon battle that exists out there the Cold War?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
For those hmm, yeah, yeah, before we move on, you
had a review of the film.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Why this is a user review or like you know,
one of the audience reviews in the Popcornometer, And I
think this speaks to both sides of what we were
talking about in its divisiveness. Maybe professional movie critics who
don't know a thing about how bureaucracy operates are disappointed
ET's Head wasn't trotted around on a spike. But for
anyone else has studied or worked with the federal government,
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this movie is a revelation.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah yeah. And the thing about a revelation is technically
it has to be the realization of a greater truth,
this cosmically tall milkshake, this idea of a new Cold War,
which is very exciting to us for various personal reasons.
This could be a revelation, but to be revelation, it
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also has to be factual. So our question that becomes,
is there really a legacy program like we have described,
and if so, how would we set about proving it.
We're going to make our level best attempt afterword from
our sponsors years where it gets crazy. All right, First
(28:13):
things first, we got to say it. This to me
and I think to all of us, this is one
of the coolest parts of this exploration. It is true
that empires retrieve non domestic technology whenever beat me here, Dylan,
whenever they can. It's such an old thing, like cast
your memory back to civilizations of yr. They were trying
(28:37):
to learn more about their enemy's toys. Oh that's a
long bow, let's steal it. If we survived this battle.
What the hell is that a rebouchet? You know what
I mean? They were always trying to find these weapons
war and the United States is no different. We've been
doing that since the late seventeen hundreds. There are multiple
(28:59):
programs that study down crash captured craft of all sorts
and types, planes and drones to satellites and especially submarines
and identified spacecraft. I mean, it's like World War One stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I just like the concept of extra domestic weapons and technologies.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's one. Yeah. I had this story years ago where
it's a short stories fiction as far as we know,
where the entire reason for one of the invasions of
a rock was to break into a museum and steal
ancient technology. But the acquisition of technology is a huge
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driver of things like the Cold War, right, the race
for the atomic bomb, for example, or the race for
the meanest hypersonic missile, the old space race even yes, yeah,
just so man. And so with that in mind, is
it not logical for us to assume that if extra
terrestrial craft are a thing, we would then use a
(30:02):
similar process to learn as much as possible. So if
a legacy program of this sort does exist, it's not
a brand new thing. It's an extension of previous proven tactics.
You know, it's something that it's a process that people
would have been familiar with before. Because the US is
(30:24):
pretty good at committing acts of extra what if we
just say about killing, extra judicial killing, which is a
terrible thing as we record now and throughout the past,
but also extra national, extra national acquisitions. He goes way
past taking possession of a Russian shadow fleet tanker. They're
(30:48):
very good at it, so so much so that if
spaceship did exist in one part of the world, Uncle
Sham would be one of the top candidates to go
in there.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And take it.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh sure, I can't wait till we get to the
to the part euphemistically called unwarned access. Well.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
The term legacy is really interesting too. Is something you
see in government programs and initiatives often to refer to
things they've done in the past that maybe aren't necessarily great,
but when you call them legacy, it gives it this
sort of positive sort of spin, I guess, you know,
like legacy nuclear waste cleanup and things like that. It
(31:32):
refers to all of the byproducts of you know, the
atomic bomb, the aforementioned atomic bomb that have to be
dealt with and that really there was not necessarily a
plan initially when all that stuff was produced in order
to win that race that we were talking about, And
now they call those legacy programs.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, it's it's a common nomenclature, and we'll see how
that leads to confusion as well.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
And let's just remember it, guys, we're not the only
players in the game, according to the documentary, and that
gets into the Cold War aspect of it, right. Yeah,
the US has these existing things that we know about
because this is where we are, and we can read
things thanks to a couple of you know, a couple
acts that went through Congress where we can actually get
privy to some of the things, some of the programs
(32:19):
that have occurred in the past and how they function,
But we don't have any insight into let's say, Russian
programs or Chinese programs that the Age of Disclosure alleges
these countries have very similar, if not kind of the
exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and as we expand the scope, we'll see more
and more about that. It reminds me of a point
that it feels always necessary to bring up when we
talk about MK Ultra or creepy experiments into psychic powers,
right and precognitive abilities. There was there were entirely separate
(32:55):
programs in the other Big Three that were doing the
same thing. It's something we return to again and again.
And speaking of return, who got a return to this
legacy thing? You raise such a great point, nol. We
always know that innocuous, boring names are a weapon themselves.
We know that bureaucracy creates and imposes its own relatively
(33:20):
arbitrary rules and then holds onto those rules even when
they're not useful any longer. And one of those is
naming stuff legacy. So if you hie thee to your
favorite Internet forum or platform, and you look back for
years far before the release of the Age of Disclosure,
you'll see people talking about something called the legacy program.
(33:44):
You'll see people further claiming hand on Kuran or hand
on the Bible that they have discovered proof of the
Department of Defense's legacy program. And get this, fellow conspiracy realist,
they're not blowing rainbows. There is a legacy resource management
program in the Department of Defense. But it's a big disappointment.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Yeah, another wamp wamp. Sadly, it has nothing to do
with aliens. It has to do with funding initiatives to
protect natural and cultural resources that are found on military
bases and installations.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's important, it's a thing.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
It's yeah, it's it's definitely something that helps, you know,
encourage military readiness and promote military readiness while also contending
with perhaps some of the environmental risks and issues that
could come with some of these construction projects. Though I
you know, I mean not to pooh poo it or anything.
I tend to believe that they favor the installations over
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the conservation.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Sounds like it covered me, guys, right, Yeah, sorry, native
people of this sovereign land. Nobody can come in here,
not because we're doing experiments, but because we're cleaning the
creek for fifteen years.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
The reason why the entrance to Area fifty one is, oh,
I don't know how many miles away from the actual facility.
It's a conservation.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, oh gosh, And don't go, guys, don't go. They
will shoot you. I know a couple of people who
got bird dog hard just for driving by and.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They didn't remember they had.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Past the sign.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
They had that big old event, right, And our buddy
Jordan Runtogg went. I think he did a right up
about it for People magazine, and I don't think he
was shot at. But maybe you know, safety and numbers
that message.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, that's because there were so many people and was
telegraphed so far in advance. I'm talking about actually a
friend of the show in particular, who got out to
the sign that says go go further, you will be shot.
And even after even just getting within sight of the sign,
then military vehicles came out of nowhere and.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Chase them off like bumper to bumper.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It got harry.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So don't happen around X files.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, in multiple episodes.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Just just for me, can we define bird dog I
just don't know what it means.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Oh yeah, chicken hawk bird. You know, they got eyes
on you. They're coming hot and heavy.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
But I'm still learning English, guys, forgive me in this
use in my head, bird dogging is like in a
card chase where somebody is on your tuckis following you aggressively,
right in a hostile manner. So we've actually I should
have said this before because I've been using it in
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a couple of episodes.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
In the past.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Sorry about that, but yeah, that's what it means. So
we also know that the Department of Energy and the
CIA get a little bit more interesting, uh, when we're
talking about stuff that could be legacy programm esque. Also
another badger in the bag here. This is kind of
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the rhetorical we were talking about at the top. There's
been no institutional confirmation of any alien craft retrieval program.
As a matter of fact, sometimes the US government doesn't
even admit when they retrieve non domestic mundane technology because
they don't want to play their hand right looking at
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you nuclear subs and.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Just just for a flip perspective, since we are talking
a lot about this film, I mentioned an audience review.
Here is a critic review that addresses what you just mentioned.
Ben from Daniel Flemberg at the Hollywood Reporter. My problem
with the age of disclosure isn't the lack of opposing voices.
It's that there couldn't be experts debunking anything.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Here.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Nothing is proven and thus nothing can be refuted.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yep, yep, hold of one. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
This is why there's been no institutional confirmation. Though for
the true believers to jump back on the other side, I.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
See, that would be a justification. Of course, there isn't
because by design there isn't, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Right well, they would also that admission or confirmation would
also inherently require official institutional confirmation that extraterrestrials exist at
a visited Earth, so they.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
They're just not going to do they wouldn't do they
wouldn't do it. That's not it's not in the best
interest of the government, so be transparent to its citizenry
when it comes to stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Is this where we bring in the Executive Order one two, three,
five six of the Atomic Energy Act of nineteen fifty
four that brought us these glorious things called special access programs,
These things that are so compartmentalized within a governmental organization,
not only a handful of people potentially even know about them.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
They're talking about firewalled stuff like like literally wheels within
wheels of people who have access to the siloed information.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, stuff you have to be read on, is what
we call.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It, to the point where the government itself likely doesn't
know or in many cases, especially the government that has
you know, people who get elect did to it that
they have no idea about.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
And that's the smoking man of it all. That's what
that character represents, is that the degree of insulation from
even the actual powers that be, there are these operations
within the greater government that even the greater government is
not aware of and that's by design too, but it's
also inherently like dangerous and flawed. I'm not saying that
what the X files is positing is true, but I
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think that's what they're trying to represent, that these types
of things likely do exist.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And we do see a lot of what we do
see is the opposite of official confirmation or coquettish implication. Instead,
we have a lot of stark denials. I'm thinking in
particular of the twenty twenty four report from ARROW, the
All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, which is a pretty cool
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job if you can get it. They dove deep into
the files that they were they're part of the system,
was allowed to see, and they said there's no evidence
of anything like a legacy program, definitely not a singular
legacy program, but also nothing remotely like it. They said
that people have either accidentally or willfully confused the alien
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legacy with projects that have similar names, or they've fallen
into something very dangerous, which we call circular reporting. That's
when one person makes an unproven claim, like Tennessee says,
that's Dylan the Tennessee pel Fagan, our producer. By the way, Yes, yep,
we're introduced at the top of every show. Tennessee says, yeah,
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Dylan Tennessee, pel Fagan says, it is confirmed that the
fast food chain Pals is now making case idellas Dylan
has no proof, but somebody else reads that and they
quote what he said, and then later people quote the
person who quoted Tennessee, and then the original source might
update and say, oh, update, I have confirmed this is
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true because I read this quote in another even though
that source was quoting me. This happens all the time
in the echo chamber of the internet.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Well, and also, I mean now that, like whatever major
news outlets are having to play in the same ecosystem
as the Internet, you get a lot of knee jerk
bits of reporting from them as well, you know, not
naming names specifically, but it certainly happens. And it's a
lot harder to retract something after a splashy headline than
it is to report something correctly in the first place.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the initial breathless claim. That's the headline
that's on the sixty one. The retraction is next week
on page thirty two b below the fold back. When
people read newspapers, we know that the mainstream public in
the United States largely agrees with this official explanation. Pew
Research polls will show us that fifty one percent of
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the US public believes that UFOs reported by people in
the military are likely evidence of intelligent life outside of Earth,
but they're not worried about it because the same people
in polls, eighty seven percent of them will say UFOs
are not a threat at all. So people will tend
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to the public will tend to believe in UFOs with
an extra terrestrial origin story, but they also tend to
not be worried about them.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Man, what is happening upside me? We're not afraid of
AI uprisings anymore, We're not afraid of UAP, and a
who's not who's not afraid of AI.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
We're all like, yay AI, give me that breaks me
out beyond anything. No, no living times for sure. But
you're right about the alien fatigue or the UAP fatigue.
It certainly does not seem to be front of mind anymore,
and in the way that it has been in the past.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
I remember when some big disclosure news came out amid
the high of the COVID pandemic and everybody just sort
of shrugged and said, Okay, I mean cool, I got
I got a lot going on.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
What's up with toilet paper prices?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
But again, a lot of the stuff that came out
was just a nothing burgers as people want to say.
I do wonder. There's a big old blockbuster coming out
later this year from Steven Spielberg called Disclosure Day. I
saw the trailer for it last week and it looks good,
looks very you know, like him his return to form
(43:31):
in terms of like some of his alien type films
like ET and what is it Close Encounters of course,
of course, of course I do wonder if that will
be zeitgeist enough to get people thinking about this stuff again.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
But we'll see, oh, one hundred percent. I'd also I'd
like to go ahead and tease a show that Dylan
and I are quite excited about the hits on the
Nexus of Film and Disclosure and UFOs. It's called Sound,
Light and Frequency, and it's heading to you very soon.
We'll be talked talking more about it in the future.
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But we are as pleased as NASA when astronauts landed
on the Moon.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
To tell you more about that in the coming days.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Sure they did. Now that's awesome. That I'm excited about
this show, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
You know what, why don't you do the odders here?
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Yeah, it's a show that's the intersection of Hollywood UFOs
and disclosure. Sounds incredible.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
So a lot of folks logically find it tough to
believe a vast program is not just monitoring alien life,
but capturing alien life and craft and functioning in secrecy.
But this is the rhetorical trap I was teasing at
the top. The true believers and those who appear to
be in the know say the secrecy is more than
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successful because of the compartmentalization. This is information that is
firewalled off such that Congress doesn't really know about it,
the Secretary of Defense doesn't really know about it. The
President of the United States from either political party doesn't
know about it. And this is why Alessando is so
interesting to us, because he has repeatedly stated that he
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had a big problem with this compartmentalization, that he made
a moral choice to resign rather than continue this charade
upon the American public. And then a lot of other
people who also seem to be in the know, folks
like James Clapper, they disagree with the idea that aliens
are not harmful. They say that any unidentified aerial phenomena
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doesn't need to be extraterrestrial to be a threat. They're
national security guys. Clapper is a big deal. He served
in the Air Force between sixty three and ninety five.
In Age of Disclosure, where he is interviewed, he talks
about tracking anomalous activities that couldn't be explained, especially around
Area fifty one or Groom Lake. It sounds a lot
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like the Legacy program. He also goes into the private
defense industry later. I don't know, man, it seems it
seems paranoid, but it also makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Well, yeah, Clappering, the official military folks that are in
the documentary are extremely concerned with America's nuclear readiness and
some of the silos that are out there in the Midwest,
and how you know, there are these alleged incidents where
unknown lights craft things in the sky caused a bunch
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of the nukes to go offline. And then you know,
that's stated to you plainly as though it's full, full
on fact in the documentary, and that is something that
is that's something we've heard about for years, right, there
have been rumors about that kind of thing, But you
don't have a piece of paper or a video or
anything like that that proves that that ever occurred. But
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if you've got somebody like a James Clapper saying that
it happened, then it seems like maybe it happened.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, because he was He's also the former Director of
National Intelligence. And this is something I think we need
to be very clear about for anybody who's unfamiliar with
this genre of government official. This cold war hawk not
a stereotype but a trope. These guys could not give
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less of a dang whether or not aliens are involved.
Their focus is on what is a threat to national security?
Anything that violates sovereign airspace could endanger aviation, which makes
it a threat to the country. So this how far
they go with it. If the government of China had
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literal dragons like smau in Lord of the Rings or
the Hobbit, if they had dragons like the Valerians or something,
or if Russia had I don't know, ginormous war geese,
nuclear armed war geese just haul again through this right.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
That's my nightmare.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
What if that happened?
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The cockroaches that were actually like full on robots, but
the size of cockroaches.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
But yeah, we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Those that third example that's real though, the cockbots. Uh,
and that's that's what they're called.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Yeah, I don't believe you, but I also totally believe you.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Also X Files episode.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
So this is the issue though. We're saying that this
documentary of course focuses on the extra terrestrial question, but
some of the folks interviewed or talking just in terms
of national security, drones and weather balloons can also fall
into this category of compromising airspace, as we saw a
few years back.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Any bogies bogeys of any I love the word bogies.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Who doesn't look at you? You a little bogie. I've
been just a little shoot you down? Yeah, you a
little bogey fighting those foods. Anyway, again and again, even
before this documentary published last year, we see repeated allegations
that this or some sort of retrieval program like it exists.
(49:06):
So maybe, just as a thought experiment, why don't we assume,
just for funzies, that the legacy program is real. Maybe
walk through a purported timeline and a little bit of
how stuff works.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
We love how stuff works, and a thought experiment how
stuff could works. Indeed, be right back.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
A legacy timeline, a bit of how stuff works in
our thought experiment. The story begins not in the United
States but in Italy way back in nineteen thirty three,
per David Grush and a couple of other folks. This
is when a bell shaped object was recovered and it
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was placed under a media blackout, and then later the
OSS is the short predecessor of the CIA. They obtained
this object, they found it amid the chaos of World
War II, and at the close of the war they
spirited it away hashtagnugibli to the States. And this is
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to people like Rush. This is illustrative of later operations,
tactical patterns, blackout, local recovery, diplomatic parkour, and then transfer
to US custody, all in secret and do do Do
do dooo. Please check out our series on the OSS.
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It is an amazing story and it is so crazy.
The stuff they pulled in.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Is the Office of Strategic Services, which was like a
wartime intelligence agency that was sort of the precursor to
the CIA, like you mentioned, Ben.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Oh, yes, sir, they're wild boys.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
So we're thinking here that nineteen thirty three, whatever this
thing is, it crashes out there. Right then during all
of the build up I guess to World War two,
like in between thirty three and then thirty nine, which is,
you know, officially whatever. The start of World War Two,
it was secreted away by let's say the Italian government,
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and then it's hidden and then the OSS gets a
hold of it during World War two, and there's actual
battles and everything occurring.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, during the chaos of World War Two. The sometime
during the actual war, the OSS grabs this and at
the close of the war is when they get it
over the pollen to the U States.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
So it was like discovered and then then as the
secret mission or whatever it is to actually extract it occurs.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
That's good, yeah, and it sets this precedent, and from
there the US approach to recovering this anomalous stuff becomes
kind of formulaic. It's sort of procedural. Right now, it's
just a technical problem. It's just a matter of the logistics.
People aren't necessarily super duper excited. There's probably some guide
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in office rolling his eyes and going ugh, now, I
need like seven fake passports to keep him.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
In my case, with my loose diamonds.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
Right, yes, which would be great. That would that would work?
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Actually, that's where I know you from.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Okay, So do we know the.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
See?
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I guess we can't. It's in other things that we
can't prove. I'm thinking about the history of the Groom
Lake facilities there Mount Nevada, and you know, officially on
paper if you look up things online, it's not established
until the nineteen fifties. But I do wonder in the
contiguous United States, where would you bring that craft? Right?
Let's just theoretically, if if you got that craft from Italy,
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where do you take it?
Speaker 5 (52:48):
And how do you transport it like without being noticed
as well?
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Yeah? Cargo ship? Wow? I see? Or how big is
it too? That's the only thing we need to know,
the dementia, because would it be a combination of flying
it out somewhere which is way faster than just popping
it on a train convoy or something.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
This is cool. I love this stuff, you guys know me.
I have a sucker for this stuff. Deep government secrets,
ancient or aliad relics. Sign us up.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
What is the giant military plane that's used commonly for
like cargo is that right? No, I think it is
Sea one thirty.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, Sea one thirty now, and are you talking about
like back in the day.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine what would be the large
enough aircraft, right because I can't just can't stop thinking
about this, man, the actual things that you the stuff
you would use at that time, and then what would
the decision be. And in that moment, let's say we
all discovered a craft, right, just the four of us.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Oh, hey guys walking around, five of the five of us,
because you're here too, So, hey, guys, we found a craft.
Hey guys, look AT's a craft. What do we do
with it?
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Well, don't mean really, and you would use everything you
have on hand because it would be an emergency, right right,
like you can't Okay, well, we need to develop something
that's gonna be big enough to transfer this. You just
use what you got, which is I think the most
interesting part of this because as we're going back through
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and imagining this, if the Legacy program is real, there's
gonna be stuff if it is real, if it was real,
there's stuff that we saw or maybe was reported on.
There was a part of this thing that you know
has a completely innocuous version of it that we all
somehow know, oh.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
One hundred percent. Yeah, I think about that all the
time when because our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia is
a city where aviation and train lines took the role
that was historically filled by waterways and rivers and coast
so it's very common for us to see things like
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military equipment passing by on a train line through the city.
Here's what strikes me. We hope you enjoy this, two folks.
If you're ever stopped and you're watching a train go by,
just start thinking about what might be in those cargo
containers every time?
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Yeah, and when will it end?
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Train?
Speaker 5 (55:20):
So you can, you know, go on your merrywag.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Ye dude is for real speaking of and don't want
to get to polycharged right now, guys. But did anyone
see the posts about the large shipments of ice trucks
on the way Not for the ice storm?
Speaker 5 (55:33):
No, No, they're like in those types of vehicles that
you see carrying like, you know, cars to be sold
or whatever, stats trailer things. Yeah. I saw some posts
that people had, you know, made videos from their cars.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
I hope I make it back to the states man.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
We hope you do too bad. Yeah, please come back.
It's great over here.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Yeah, we love it so we We also know the
film mentions Halloman Air Force Space the incident there in
nineteen seventy one. This stands out because it purportedly involves
non human intelligent beings interacting with personnel from the CIA
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and the US Air Force. Like they came up and
they said, what's good, you guys. We've got an exciting
new thing we call velcrow. You gotta check it out.
And man, they said, and they said, well to us,
you're the aliens tots.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
Oh my god, mind blown galaxy brain. There's no chance
that they would just be instantly able to just like
kick it like that.
Speaker 3 (56:41):
They were that chill.
Speaker 5 (56:43):
I saw Independence Day.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
We've talked about it before with movies like Arrival of
a Thought experiment like the Language of It.
Speaker 6 (56:50):
No possible way, yeah, right, unless there's just something that
we don't understand about where in time space from perspective
to mension these visitors came from right, and if they
are of in some way that we just don't understand
right now, they.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Could communicate maybe right or get you to understand.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
There could be technology involved. I suppose, right, like in
the dolphins.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Something that can make a look squence exactly if the
humans have figured out how to give dolphins LSD and
how to make Google Translate apps, obviously hopefully the aliens
are way better. There would also be well, we'll see,
we're being anthrocentric here, because this could be something that
is so incomprehensible, this culture, this organism, this communicative priority
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or medium, that there could be no real way to
efficiently communicate past a very basic level.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
It's it's a problem that's fascinating. I love the way
Rival tackles it. Please read the original short story, and
I love the I love the concept too that tried
so or not to just do dumb alien improv riffs.
But I love the concept that it's a very real
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dangerous concept that humans could accidentally innocuously do something of
great offense or something that is seen as posing a danger.
Oh yeah, you know, like what if hydrogen sulfide or
any of the other of those fart gases. What if
those are absolute anathema and poison to aliens and somebody
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is stressed out understandably when they meet the aliens.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
They're like, hey, guys, what's up. We're sick. Aliens want
to hang out. Have you guys heard of Velcrow?
Speaker 3 (58:43):
And this one guy goes, oh no, And then two
aliens die and now we're in our first innergalactic.
Speaker 5 (58:49):
War die or are incredibly offended, as they should be
because that's gross. And then just you know, pull the
nuke lever and we all, you know, poof, And that
was our story.
Speaker 3 (59:01):
Also, one of the assumptions that a lot of Hollywood
film makes, and a lot of sci fi too, is
the assumption that extraterrestrials visiting are their civilization's equivalent of
a crack team of experts. There is no proof that
we're getting visited by the top brass, you know what
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I mean? Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
There's the Aquatine episode Okatane Hunger Forces, where it's these
like kind of stoner aliens whose dad owns a dealership
and they're like, you know, uh oh wit no. It's
also ignig Knock and err who are completely you know,
unqualified to be you know, making first contact. So I
love that version of events. Ben, I think that's entirely likely.
These were just like folks that's intergalactically stumbled upon us
and didn't really.
Speaker 3 (59:44):
Have a plare we go? They took a wrong turn
at serious beat. That's a Dogon reference, folks.
Speaker 2 (59:51):
Oh snow, I don't know what that is. Do Petrie who?
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah, who allegedly had advanced knowledge of serious A and
B before the dawn of modern astronomy.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Okay, I thought you were talking about Dagon, the HP
Lovecraft adaptation also great, very well, you know, problematic but
great writer. Some made some banger stories for sureoted for our.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
Interview with Dagon.
Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Oh yeah, No, not talking about Lovecraft.
Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
Are you talking about Dagon the Infernal One?
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
He is good. Hang good? Hang that guy, good good?
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Hang Love's yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Oh man. So when we're talking about the non human
biologics of all of this stuff that you know, folks
have stated in Congress, and we're talking about right here
Holloman Air Force Base nineteen seventy one potentially beings, right,
biological beings of some sort, it makes me think of
our explorations in all kinds of topics, like Project Bluebeam,
talking about a AI in the past, talking about space
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exploration and the limits of the limits of biological entities. Sure,
it just makes me wonder why in the heck you
would make that decision, no matter where you're from, no
matter what technology level you're at, Why would you send
a biological entity down to greet the people rather than
some kind of pro that can communicate whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then that that's a great question.
It also goes back to not just ideas of physical
personal safety, right, which the same reason we send unmanned
stuff deep into the ocean, but it also goes to
the idea of a culture that humans simply don't know about,
so it may be incredibly important, indeed sacrisynct to their
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diplomatic process.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, you've got to slarg the girth, kid, or it's
not an official, you know, meeting of another species.
Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Is that the same as drops them sklang scracks them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I never get it, right, is it? If your fami
it is? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Well, also, you know, it also presupposes that it's not
your last idea, Ben, that they're just sort of like,
you know, stoner alien wanderers that sort of just like
found a way, you know, because their technology is good
enough that they could just accidentally breathe Earth's atmosphere, or
perhaps they're desperate and they don't have the technology, or
they have to like brave you know, the atmosphere in
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order to make contact because they need help or something.
I don't know, there's a million you're to cut it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yeah, I like that too. Know, we're we're the last
gas station in the desert, it's cosmically speaking, so they've
got to fuel up. You know what if they.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Need hydrogen sulfide for fuel bin right right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I think of that same thing too.
Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
It's like for anybody who's ever been on a road trip,
it's a formative experience for many of US Americans. I
think we've all been in that situation where you got
to go to the sketchy gas station, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Or that stretch where you've miscalculated slightly and now you
really have no choice and you may well have to
stop at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, you know, filling station,
because that's the only one for miles and miles and miles,
and the alternative is to just like be dead in
the water, as it were.
Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I will never be able to listen to that Dwight
Yoakam song the same way again. It Yeah, man, you
know what, well, we know that all of the experts
in age of disclosure are unable or unwilling to disclose
(01:03:20):
exactly how many events like Roswell or the Italy episode
or Holloman have occurred. They say it probably ranges in
the double digits, especially during the height of the First
Cold War. And they said a lot of times they
retrieved craft remnants or what they call artifacts, or what
they call exotic materials. But as you were saying, Matt,
(01:03:41):
they also claim to have recovered non human biologics that's
a term that gets thrown around a lot, or organic remains,
some kind of you know, something like that, right, something
quote unquote natural. And this is what drove the program,
the Legacy program, to an even higher level of secrecy,
(01:04:01):
which is hard. It's already a tall milkshake. As we said, essentially,
they're same Finding netto non organic material is amazing, it's
tikety boo. It's all well and good. But discovering organic
material raises some deep legal and moral questions and then
serious concerns about possible threats to public health. You know
(01:04:24):
what I mean, because we know what happens historically on
planet Earth when one culture intrudes upon another. They never
come alone. They come with diseases, they come with pathogens,
and the local population historically is not prepared for those. Yeah,
space measles, spacepox, space pox, that's the there, it is, spacebox.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But we're also not ready for the tech, right, which
is another huge part of this documentary, the concept that
along with these non human biologics, they've got very specific
pieces of tech that have been reverse engineered to become things.
In the documentary they say they don't specifically say what technologies,
(01:05:09):
but we might infer I know, I did a little
bit when it comes to what type of tech has
been recovered. You think about your phone, You think about sure,
certain networking capabilities that we have now, the speed and
the size of some of the tech that we use now,
stuff on the nanoscale, stuff when you know, when you're
(01:05:30):
looking at modern technology and how quickly stuff has developed.
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Material science is another.
Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, you can imagine that, or you can let yourself imagine, oh,
some of this is probably alien.
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
M oh, absolutely, especially when you consider it sound like
such an old entity now, especially when you consider we
can make a great case that human civilization is still
not prepared for stuff like the radio or television.
Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Well in terms of like our cognition or like God forbid,
we even bring the Internet into the equation. Like it's
just like it's almost unnatural the way we've become so in,
you know, all in on some of this technology. It's
almost like we were never really meant for it, and
it has fundamentally changed the way our cognition works, not
for the better.
Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
The society has not evolved in step with technological innovation,
and human beings have not physically evolved to process, to
efficiently process, to deal with all the stuff that's happening.
It's a very exciting time to be alive. Some of
(01:06:43):
the scary stuff here that we're talking about is a
real world concerned of global governments, especially the stories of
things that exhibited what they're calling ionization effects. These might
pose a danger to surrounding materials, like change the color
of paint on vehicles affect humans, possibly radiating them and
(01:07:06):
leading to cancer or leading to burns. We're going to
get moored to that in part two of our series here,
but we have to let you know, folks. One of
the most believable parts of the story is the bureaucratic
description that they boiled it down to grab a thing,
get it to the nerds, analyze it, and give it
(01:07:28):
to our specific folks like the Atomic Energy Commission, the CIA,
the DOE. Because when we do that, they're getting bureaucratic cover.
This indemnifies you from some of the legal stuff we
mentioned earlier, like feuer request. It gets you out of
or invisible from a regulatory audit. You don't have to
tell the president. This alien is, you know, just for us,
(01:07:52):
just as a treat for us. We know that defense
contractors begin playing and easingly large role because they're private firms,
they work differently. It's way easier to sneak stuff under
the Skunk Works radar, right, and they already by this
(01:08:12):
point post World War Two, they have a pretty well
proven track record of being able to keep a secret,
so they're vetted entities.
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Well yeah, and Congress can't compel the folks over at
Skunk Works right to disclose their information on their proprietary technology.
Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Yeah, exactly, sorry, trade secret. You guys wouldn't ask Coca Cola.
So why are you picking on us? Which is terrifying,
but that is kind of the logic and you're absolutely
right there, Matt and we fast forward to two thousand
and three, we see our good friends at the CIA,
the Directorate of Science and Technology. They've created something called
(01:08:54):
the Office of Global Access or UGA, like O Good anyway.
UGA's job is to access what we call denied environments
across the planet once a craft is detected. These guys
again allegedly work with elite military outfits, you know, the
real GYT guys, Delta and Seals and so on. They
(01:09:17):
send them in to acquire whatever this thing is by
hook or by crook, and that brings us to something
that might not be familiar to everybody. Sack the Special
Activities Center of the CIA, which I believe we've mentioned
in a couple of different episodes over the years. This
is the cinematic kind of special ops group of the CIA,
(01:09:39):
directly descended from the paramilitary operations of the OSS. These
are the guys who don't wear uniforms. These are the
dudes and dodets who, if they are compromised, will be
thrown to the Wolves and the wind Right. Their activities
will be disavowed if they're caught. They're never anywhere official.
(01:10:01):
Nothing they've ever done officially occurred. The euphemism for what
these folks do in the Legacy program is unwarned access.
That's a spooky one't folks of the government. Yeah right,
they're like the uh they're the B and E guys
(01:10:21):
on they're the breaking and entering guys on a much
fancier level. They we were joking earlier about crafting dummy passports.
These guys don't really need them.
Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yeah, you've ever been nervous about some black Hawk helicopters.
It's these guys.
Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, but not officially, because nothing they do is official.
Unwarned access is just so tar and spooky, man because
that literally means that these guys will, at the direction
of OGA. According to this story, these guys will just
drop by. They don't knock, they don't send a text,
(01:10:57):
they don't call, They just show up outside tran because
a spaceship landed there. So okay, so we've got our process.
Once the CIA and the military do their bit, any
retrieved material goes to the contractors and their vaults for analysis.
So this does two things. It gives us cover right bureaucratically,
(01:11:20):
and then it also gives us some chances to start
reverse engineering. And then at the same time, the Department
of Energy has their own cabal of very intelligent nerds
who get any anything that could be.
Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
Anything that could.
Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Be associated with radioactive activity or unexplained emissions of energy,
and they look at stuff that's also on you know,
the weird end of the periodic table, the weird material science.
Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So the Office of Global Access is a real thing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Yes, it is a real thing, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Is c I A. Huh, that's very strong. I mean
it does that does seem like the actual collection arm
you know that that would that could function if it
was necessary for and an activity like this to collect
a crashed vessel or something.
Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Yeah, if you uh, that's the thing, Matt. It's it
feels sticky, right, guys, because we already are talking about
such a covert secretive intelligence arm in the first place, right,
we we found mentions of UGAT on a CIA dot
gov themselves. And then for people who think this really
(01:12:45):
is the thing or the key to the legacy program,
they're going to say, of course, you can't learn much
about it because it's secret. Right, So again there's that
rhetorical trap, and I don't know, I'd like the question
then becomes Okay, the only way for all of this
to happen with so many people and still maintain opsec
(01:13:08):
and secrecy would be for not everybody to know the
entire process, right, Like you might be flying the plane
that transports a thing, but you don't know the thing
you're transporting. You just fly stuff. You're just Jason Statham
the transporter, dude.
Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Let's read quickly from THECIA dot gov website says, the
Directorate of Science and Technology applies innovative scientific, engineering and
technical solutions in support of our foreign intelligence mission. Let's see,
it's going into confronting intelligence problems with effective targeting, bold technology,
and superb tradecraft. Yeah, isn't it weird when when something
(01:13:57):
like the CIA has so many sub organizations with such
specific things that they do. Yeah, doesn't it make you
think of special access programs?
Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Maybe I'm no, you're on base. It's a home run.
It's the subprograms are necessary evil for sure, and not
all of obviously, not all of them are related to aliens,
and not all unworn access operations are related to aliens. Right,
(01:14:29):
they might just go grab a cold Maduro. At some point,
these things existed independently of UFOs, And I love that
we're mentioning Science and Technology, because Age of Disclosure argues
that if anybody knows the full picture, it would be
the director of CIA Science and Tech. During the timeframe
(01:14:50):
that Age of Disclosure discusses, this role was filled by
someone named Dawn Marry X and the this person made
no comment obviously, and no one's serting currently in the USAF,
the CIA, the DOE, or any other associated agency has
officially confirmed the acquisition of extraterrestrial craft or the stuff
(01:15:16):
described in the film. True believers are convinced again that
all these things, these objects are somewhere just off to
the side outside of the frame, but skeptics argue this
is a best a misunderstanding, at worst a cynical grift,
and we have so so much more to get to. Guys.
(01:15:37):
I'm excited that we we've made the call to create
a two parter out of this.
Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
More than enough material we found to justify it, and
I think we've Matt brought some really cool information that
we're going to lead off with in the second episode.
Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
You want to tease some of that map.
Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Uh, yeah, sure, this is just again kind of what
we did in the In the second part of this episode,
we're just gaming out right, what could be with what exists?
What could be a part of this thing if it
did exist? And we're just going to go down rabbit
more rabbit holes like we did right here with the
CIA Directorate of Science and Technology, which is I don't know,
(01:16:20):
it's tricksy, it sure is weird.
Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Oh, let's get in.
Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
I had so much of that stuff. Let's get it.
If we're game, let's get into more of that in
part two as well. Now, our ideal outcome vote and
I can't believe I'm saying this, but hope springs Eternal.
Our ideal outcome would be between the time we record
chapter one of this series and the time we record
chapter two of this series, world governments come out and
(01:16:48):
confirmed that aliens are real, and an alien takes the
podium and tells us you know, about what's going on
with them, and hopefully they're chill.
Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
I would like, am I picturing Mars attacks? I don't
know why that is where my mind goes immediately.
Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I just love the idea, like what if before we
get while we're still on the road, before we get
to chapter two, we get confirmation that aliens are real?
I say, we still do the episode just say the course, man,
we worked so hard on it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
That's what That's what all the heads of these special
access programs say. It's too late, We're already in too
far critical mass boys.
Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah, they we'll get one of those. Weird. It'll be
like when Wiki leaks had its heyday and the US
government had to release this official statement telling all government employees,
we know this is out there and you can read it,
but guys, technically it is still classified, so just don't
(01:17:48):
google it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
When the alien just comes down and just says, gets
out of the spaceship and says, do unto others as
you would have done unto you.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
I bring you love, I bring you peace. Simpsons did it?
Matt Simpsons did it?
Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I was is this guy named Jesus?
Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I would like him to land and say, uh, I
would like, I'm still in love with very fart based
alien civilization. So they go who onto others as you
would have them who on to you and too far
picturing No, this is never too fun. I pictured pictory
world leaders going does this guy mean like literally literally
(01:18:34):
have evidence?
Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Do we have evidence of an international America incident caused
by a fart? I would love to let us know
about what. Nothing comes to mind, but it's they're certainly
never too late.
Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
So what do you think, folks, could the same government
that cannot figure out basic tax structure really be capable
of spending trillions in absolute silence and hiding the biggest
revelation in all of human history. Tune in for chapter
two on the Legacy Program. In the meantime, we'd love
to hear your thoughts. So you can find us online.
(01:19:08):
You can call us on the phone, and you can
always send us an email.
Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
If for looking online, you will find us at either
the handle conspiracy Stuff or a Conspiracy Stuff show. And
I think Ben mentioned something about phone number.
Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yes, we have a number. It is one eight to
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(01:20:01):
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