November 12, 2025 • 65 mins
Earlier this year, former US public official and investment banker Katherine Austin Fitts made an astonishing claim: for years, she argued, the United States secretly spent 21 trillion dollars of taxpayer money to build an elaborate network of underground doomsday bunkers -- bunkers most of the public would not be allowed to enter. In tonight's episode, Ben, Matt and Noel dive into the conspiracy, separating fact from fiction... hopefully before the bombs drop.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. Friends and neighbors, fellow
conspiracy realist, we are coming to you on October thirty first,
(00:50):
a Friday, twenty twenty five. Happy Halloween. As we're recording this,
it's not going to be coming out until later in November,
but you know tis the season.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Welcome for extending the merriment on your There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We do it every year on the show. You get
a little extra.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Spooky, right right. We hope everybody enjoyed our oh our
shout out to our alma mater house. Stuff works with
our recent episode how Selling Your Soul Works, which did
come out on October thirty first, and Noel, just to
get in the spirit here while we're all having a
time off air, you were saying, you have a Halloween
(01:29):
anecdote to share? Boy, do I ever?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got my day off to a spooky bang. I
was awakened from what I believe to have been a
relatively spooky dream by the sound in my home of
a small child saying I'm in here, come find me.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I got up and turned on all the lights
and literally was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Looking around my house, calling out, looking under beds, opening
closet tours, and in my stupor, you know, I called
my kid just to be like, I needed to share
this way somebody we wo paint the scene for us.
What were you calling out?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Where you say hello? Hello? You saying child?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I may or may not have spoken aloud, but I
was definitely looking through the house and turning on all
the lights, and it was genuinely rattled.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And your cat began to speak.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Million and my cat does have a bit of a
childlike voice. She goes, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But I called my kid just to like, you know,
trauma dump on somebody. And they were the only one
I knew would be up. It was six thirty in
the morning, and they just start cackling uncontrollably because apparently
they had taken control of my Bluetooth speaker system in
my house and started piping in.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Spooky Halloween sas nice, nice way to And apparently it
was an accident at first because they were connected to
my system and they were trying to do it to
spook their sister and mom and like we do the
Halloween prank.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But boy, oh boy, it just was one of those
moments where I truly for a second believed something supernatural
was afoot and it really rattled me. I would I
would have been pissed if not for having been such
a genius prank.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You're you're feeling better, though? Oh yes, I feel great it.
I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, it
was a great way to start off the name Matt
you gotta Halloween story? Not really.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I have one thing to say though. I've recently watched
the movie US because my girlfriend had never seen it,
and I can't believe we just rewatched it and we're
doing this episode because I don't know if you guys
remember the very opening title card of that movie, which
I did not remember. I'm gonna read it because it's
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really short.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Sure, please do quote.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are thousands of miles of tunnels beneath the continental
United States, abandoned subway systems, unused service routes, and deserted
mine shafts. Many have no known purpose at all.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And drop that.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And yet you know, PRIs you're the pump of your mind.
But they don't deliver on that for quite a bit, right.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well without without spoiling it. As you guys know, I'm
quite enthusiastic about the the acumen of Jordan Peel, the
filmmaker creator and has one of my favorite quotations that
always applies, which is the difference between horror and comedy
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is merely the soundtrack. We This is an excellent segue here, Matt.
I'm happy to share a Halloween's story if anybody wants. Oh, oh,
I don't know if it's fit for public consumption. We'll
need people to self select on this one, okay, but
we do have uh, we do have of course. At
the at the top, we have our little internal quote
(04:55):
here is from the Constitution. Maybe we'll share later, but
in tonight's episode is met so beautifully. Segue two, we
are diving into a story that we previously ran across
in Strange News. So much has happened this year, It's
devilishly easy to miss some of the oddest things. Some
(05:17):
of the things that deserve more attention end up being
a there and gone, a sizzle in the pan out right,
and they disappear So in the wind, A kaiser in
the wind. I love the poetry there, Noel, So our
question this evening from our earlier weekly Strange News program.
(05:39):
Does the United States government have a vast secret city underground?
If so, come on, like why and can we get in?
How do I check it out? I'd like to take
a look, like, can we look at it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
How come?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
What for? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, quibono? Who benefits?
Sure about that? That's why? Right right by the way,
A chair company, y'all?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Banger Yeah yeah, dig it, dug in Yeah, sorry, I
had to drop that rope.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Also shout out to Bob Odenkirk and I think you
should leave. She's a model. She wanted to marry me.
Can you believe it? But she's beautiful, but she's dying trips.
All right, we'll be back after word from our sponsors.
Here are the facts, all right. We got to start
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with this. I feel like we always have to start
with this part bunkers are not inherently bad. Being prepared
not to sound too eagle scoutish and programmed. Being prepared
is cool, right, Like, if you can have your own bunker,
why would you not got a basement. It's kind of
like a bunker. It's a bunker.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, right, And bunkers are important in all wars. Guess
what are created bunkers?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Why? Safety?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
They literally have weapons called bunker busters, right, that's where
they have to tell they get your bunk.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, yeah, and we're bonkers for bunkers.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yes, well maybe Billy's bunkers for bunker busters.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Governments have known for a long time. Hey, with all
the munitions that exist out there and as they advance
going down, Wow, building underneath the earth. Yes, probably a
great idea to save not only operations, but all of
the stuff that you might want to lob back at somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep. We're on record multiple times talking about our various
group and individual experiences exploring researching bunkers and guys think
about it. A lot of our fellow conspiracy realists, friends
and neighbors in the crowd global tonight may have their
own bunkers, hideaways, or emergency shelters. Shows shout out to
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you guys, a panic room. Is there a crossover?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Is there a Venn diagram? Yes, not all bunkers or
panic rooms. Not all panic rooms or bunks, puzzles and mazes.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, in this case, as long as the panic room
is in the basement, we're good.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
We're bunker up. Yeah. Yeah. And the issue, and that's
a great question, because the primary differentiator between a panic
room and a bunker is going to be the projected
length of time spent inside that structure. There you go.
So a panic room is the room where you go
for a short term panic. The bunker is the room
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where you take everybody available and say, let's all eat
MREs until it's time to restart civilization the long term
panic room. Yeah, totally spacing on where this was.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I want to say it was that MoMA, But I
did recently explore a recreation of like a bunker from
like the nineteen thirties, and it had like, you know,
refrigerators and you know, all like a bar and all
these things. You know, it was meant to be like
a family, a wealthy families, you know, subterranean shelter, which
was quite common especially it must have been part of
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some traveling exhibitions.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Did you guys ever make it over to that very
strange little stone castle I lived in for a.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
While underground Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It had it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
It was in Atlanta, and it did have both great
guesses and it did have it did have a small
fallout shelter. It was built by a very short man
in the nineteen twenties, by his own hand.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
In the twenties.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Nothing was up to code. But I loved I loved
going to the shelter. I should have had you guys
over there. Man, I don't know about this, but this
sounds great. Yeah, well, you get in situations. So here's
the pickle folks. Due to the nature of their construction,
it is very difficult to determine exactly how many quote
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unquote bunkers or hideaways or shelters exist in the United States,
let alone the world. I mean, after all, think through
your favorite Twilight Zone episodisodes. Many households logically don't want
to advertise their capabilities in a time of peace and stability,
because neighbors might turn on you if things go sideways.
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People will do incredibly unclean things if they think they're
acting for the greater good of their loved ones. Right,
So that's why Parker, why are you going to tell people?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why you get close to no one? That is
my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, that's why the arsenal is, you know, step four
rather than twenty or something. You know, exactly right, maybe
step one. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That's that goes into an aesthetic philosophical quantary.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean talking about talking about stockpiling weapons for your
own protection.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
The order of operation of resource gathering. Yeah, so with
this in mind, since we can't name every single one,
let's talk rough categories. I posit there are three rough
categories of what could be concidered bunkers, the first one
being private bunkers. It's an umbrella term. It counts everything
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from crazy Uncle Jimbo's intensely renovated basement all the way
up to things like that weird stuff going on in
New Zealand, or of course, Dylan's buddy Mark zuckerberg sprawling
Hawaii complex. You like how I three under the Maui
there Dylan.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Sweet Baby Rais Marky z and the Sweet Babies.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's hip hop group.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, it's funny when you think about maybe not funny,
but when you think about megawealthy people like that, it
seems to be a foregone conclusion that they're going to
have the most elaborate subterranean dwellings because they probably know
that some of their actions are going to cause a
scorched earth mad Max scenario one day, and they want
to continue to live in opulence and comfort.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Serious question, do you guys think somebody like Zuckerberg, somebody
like you know, all Musk, all these guys who are
building bookers, do you think they're making those facilities is
as low tech as possible because like so none of
the systems are online, none of the systems are interconnected.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Knows that they're smart.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well yeah, I'm saying they know that anything like smart
system that you build into something like that. Once their
technologies are fully unleashed, they're all going to get.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Depends on how much of their own kool aid they've
drunk and how much they think that they're immune to
that kind of thing, because I guess when I think
of mega wealthy billionaire bunkers, they're always like voice controlled
and helicans of robotics and automations.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's not it's not an off base question because it's
almost in the scope of a different episode to see
what kind of preparation would be there, like the concept
of a firewall, how does one become self sustaining resource independent?
There was this crazy Oh, I'll have to look it
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up or email us about it and we'll follow up
with the primary source. But there was this crazy journal
realistic investigation a number of years ago that put a
light on a public light on the kind of conversations
these billionaire folks were having where one of their main
concerns was not necessarily technology, and that depends the infrastructure
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upon which it depends. It was more so, how do
I keep the staff from killing me when money doesn't matter?
And one of the things that was realistically floated and
confirmed by the journalist investigating was the idea of fixing
the serfs with shock callers to ensure compliance. Do check
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out the graphic novel series Lazarus and Lazarus Risen if
you want to see what a post apocalyptic world like
that was.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Was there not a teav invitation of that that just dropped.
I just saw there's a show called Lazarus and it
said somebody author sounding names Lazarus. I do want to
like authors sounded well, you know what I mean, like
Steve things it, but like it just seemed like that
was the way the title was was laid out. But
Matt to your point too about the network of it
all and the like connectedness. I imagine there also would
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be ways to have all the servers be local and
self contained and fire fireware gaptly and and everything still
being connected within the closed system and still be pretty
high tech.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
At which point you need a power plant and if
you needed if you had global visibility and semi real time,
you'd need to assume that the satellites exist and you
have contact with them. So that's okay. So private bunkers
is an umbrella term, right. The second category we could
pose it would be refurbished former government stuff. This is
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a hybrid. This is one of those things that full disclosure, folks,
we will get very excited about and text each other
about when we're not even working. You find out about
a you find out about a decommissioned missile silo or
Cold War era complex, and Uncle Sam decides that some
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facilities over time are no longer necessary or they cost
too much to maintain, and they sell them to private entities,
sometimes companies, sometimes real estate folks, sometimes just straight up
individuals who say I want to live in a missile silo.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Well, also a lot of those early government situations were
repurposed things like repurposed wine cellars and like, you know,
other kinds of repurpose structures. And Ben I was doing
a little digging based around the comment you made about
pre nuclear defensive bunkers, and we're talking as early as
nineteen twenty eight, where you know, in Germany and East
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Prussia built some of these bunkers to defend themselves against
potential attacks, you know, from enemies in the region like Poland.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So in this second category, the hybrid thing works like this,
the appropriate authorities salvage all the real tasty nasty toys
from these facilities before they get decommissioned and sold. So
it's not as if, at least in the States, you
can accidentally buy a silo that still has a working
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nuclear warhead in it, and objectively that's a good thing. Now,
we cannot speak to the stands, because out in the stands,
in former Soviet satellite states, the line between private and
public industry is much more blurry. However, even though all
the cool stuff gets taken away. Before a private owner
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buys a former government site, you as the new purchaser,
will still have a tremendous advantage. The government facilities are
built on information the public usually doesn't have. Better construction,
better material standards, solid location, a design that benefits from
access to classified research. So like, for example, a Cold
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War era shelter is going to be built to leverage
the latest research at the time of how contaminated gas
can spread.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
In terms of filtration, in terms of ventilation, all of
those kinds of systems that are designed with all of
that stuff in mind. So that does bring us to
the next and most impressive tier, right the ones that
the governments fabricate from scratch, you know, in order to
continue running things during the apocalypse.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, I'm just as a connector to between these two.
I'm thinking about the tech that's in things like the
Minuteman silos, the fifty four I think minute Man silos
that still exist around the world that have these like
shocks basically built into the bunker system itself, so if
there's any massive explosion above, it can withstand an intense
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amount of pressure even though it's underground. Like, that's the
kind of tech that we're talking about here that gets
linked into the newer stuff that's being developed, because if
you imagine those things being built in the fifty right,
the late forties, fifties, now you can only imagine the
types of tech that would exist in underground systems that
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have been built I would say, from the sixties on.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, and maintained since then. So long as
Snoopy Doope journalists don't interfere. Shout out to the Washington
Post in Greenbrier and shout out to Snoopy same. Yeah,
shout out to Snoopy as well, and shout out to
the great Pumpkin Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So let's just just expand on that the Greenbrier thing.
I think you can hear it. We did an episode
on deep underground military bases a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, we did that. We had an interview segment as
well with Eric Graff, the author of Raven Rock, is
going to come up in this.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, yes, So like you can go back through and
hear all about those two places if you want to,
or the Greenbrier at least.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, And now we've got the big dogs that you
were teasing so beautifully dull. Our third category of bunker,
These are the kreben de la creme, real end of
the world stuff, government created facilities with modern technology, constructed
in secrecy and expressly designed to ensure survival against a
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panoply of modern threats and modern tech. And this is
like war breaking tech, the stuff that redefines global conflict. Also, again,
these are the things that are built leveraging information the
public does not have. They know what to be concerned about,
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they know what to build for. There's real time wait stuff.
So that's the subject in Todight's episode because as we
mentioned a while back when we're first chatting about this
in our Strange News program, it was a conversation on
the Tucker Carlson podcast named in a Burst of Creativity
the Tucker Carlson Show in May twenty twenty five, and
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there's a very interesting guest on this. We know this
show is not for everybody, but there's a very interesting
guest on there named Catherine Austin Fitz, an investment banker
and once upon a time Assistant Secretary of Housing and
Urban Development or HUD under President George H. W. Bush.
Fits made this extraordinary claim.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yes, the claim that the US has spent twenty one
trillion with the T dollars building a secret underground city.
I don't know she came right out and used this language,
but this is the implication where the ultra wealthy can
hide out and just hang and continue being ultra wealthy
during a this is a quote near extinction event.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Funded via taxpayer money apparently, but this is not for
the average US taxpayer. Instead, the argument is Fit says
that we the people have built a series of places
we simply cannot visit. How do I get in on that? Yeah?
So bracket do I got to be in to get
an invite?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well that's I think that's the whole point, at least
of what she's saying here. And and when you hear
she said that they've been doing this since nineteen ninety
eight at least that her research states right, And they've
been building these things, and it's not one city, it's
it's a series of cities essentially.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So uh, network h.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It seems it seems so extraordinary, right, you would need
somebody just hand me the receipts, show me where that's
actually happening, and let's prove that occurred.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Otherwise, like it just sounds like somebody talking crazy. But
as we're gonna find, there is some weird stuff going on,
really weird stuff going on that makes me think twice
about this.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So our question becomes, could this idea, the idea twenty
one trillion dollars siphoned off from the United States, spent
in secret to make an elite post apocalyptic civilization. Could
any of this be true? We'll tell you after a
word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy. All right, Well, folks,
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while it might sound bonkers at first, as we're going
to find there's a surprising amount of sand to the
speculation here. So maybe we begin with Fits herself. First,
thing that you need to know, Catherine Austin Fitz, who
is alive now, is not just some random person. Fits
has a career built on public spending and research into
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government fraud, which means she is far more than your
average bear, uniquely suited to speak on these and similar cases.
She's donated to. Looked at her donation records. She's donated
to politicians on either side of the Great American Divide, Democrats, Republicans,
independents alike. She's a big Wheel investment banking. She's rocking
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an MBA from Wharton because the director of admissions for
Wharton literally told her she should apply. She also correct
this is a big one. She correctly predicted the two
thousand and eight mortgage crisis way before it happened. She
looks at the money like that nerdy professor hero in
(23:13):
Black Monday murders. So I think it's fair to say
that we're not confirming she's automatically correct in this case.
But we do have to note she has a track
record of investigation and expertise with this exact kind of stuff,
and she's been at it for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, and as we bring her up, we also should
say she's got these bona fides. But if you continue
listening to that entire episode of Tucker Carlson's show, you'll
hear her talk about how the COVID nineteen vaccine has
DNA modifying ingredients, in how there's a shadowy global cabal
using mind control to enslave all of us. So we're
(23:56):
trying to look at her in as much of a
balance way as possible. Right, one person can have these
bona fides and also believe of a huge range of things, right, right, We're.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Av Lowe being an expert in one field of science
doesn't make him an expert in all fields of science.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Correct, So we're using her fields of study here when
it comes to the money as the thing that we're
actually looking at.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Let's go to a brief timeline. In two thousand and four,
Fits and her co author Chris Sanders publish a study
in World Affairs. The Journal of International Issues used to
have a subscription in those guys, and they claimed to
find the following. This is a kind of long quote,
but let's share it as is verbatim and then unpack
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it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
She and her co author Chris Sanders, claims to find quote.
Here's that here it is evidence that a very large
proportion of the nation's wealth is being illegally diverted. Since
several decades into secret, unaccountable channels and program with unspecified purposes,
including covert operations and subversions abroad and clandestine military R
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and D at home, public institutions have been infiltrated and
taken over by shadowy.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
There's that word again.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Groups in the service of powerful, private invested interests, often
at the expense of common good.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Beautifully done for the more centical among us. This isn't
in anything new right, black book programs are as American
as apple Pie, and everybody ignore the fact that apples
are from Kazakhstan anyway, in such Apple But Johnny Appleseed
and Old But Johnny Appleseed. Tune into our episode on
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that coming up. But in some cases it's an ugly
truth that secrecy is absolutely requisite, as it's problematic to
admit it because this concept gets abused all the time
by bad faith actors. But sometimes you really can't tell
Congress where the money is going because doing so would
compromise national security. Look no further than things like Oakridge
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right back in the days of nuclear research. But the
thing is Fits and Sanders go a bit further here.
They're claiming this is somehow more conspiratorial, that powerful private
interests have essentially metastasized within public institutions and now they're
sock puppeting them for their own again private gay.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
So she's against this, she's against this.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
H he's not a fan letter. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
To tell with some of these folks, you know, like
secret underground Elitis Bunker or again.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And as we'll see the headlines, especially the ones I
originally found strange news. Those are a little bit breathless
and they're missing some nuance of fits his statements. And
that was that was back in two thousand and what
we save four when her and Chris Sanders said there's
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something screwy with money.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, just to stay in that era for a second,
we looked very hard at the Iraq war and spending
in cash and what money that went missing, and it
made us think about the two thousand and seven reporting
out of a lot of places about billions of dollars
in cash that went missing when the US sent literally
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a palette, not a palette, palettes and palettes and pallets
and palettes and palettes of billions of dollars twelve billion
over to Iraq and it just vanished into a war zone.
And you just imagine that kind of use of money
right by a government by militaries. And then you go
back to this concept of could they be sock puppeted
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by like R and D companies?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Can you clarify that term again?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I mean, I know we've used it a lot and
everyone probably knows, but that in this context, sock puppeting is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Sock puppeting in this context would be at least from
my perspective, it would describe the mechanism where a private
institution has regulatory capture over some public or state run activities.
So think of like a contractor like Halliburton, for instance.
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They have the people in place to get funding approved
from the DoD for any given number of initiatives, and
so they have the people who say yes, and those
people are Halliburton people, even though they're technically DoD people.
And so now they've got a rubber stamp committee such
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that whomever is approving these expenditures is not following the
rules of Uncle Sam. They're doing what Halliburton's board of
directors tell them.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Well, and it would seem that folks on maybe the
more right side of the political divide are all about
this level of privatization, like it's kind of a feature,
not a bug.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Right, It happens in some cases, but historically war profiteering
is seen as a great sin on all sides of
the political divide. Now I like your point there, Noel,
because depending upon which perspective we assume, will see that
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everybody in any imaginable position is aware of these sorts
of shenanigans, and they get mad about the ones that
don't benefit them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There you go, Yeah, Well, as you think about outfits
like Northrop Grumman and some of the weapons manufacturers, and
you think about the large numbers of government contracts that
go to those guys, and what is the dependency ratio?
Is the government dependent on the contractor who builds the
(29:54):
weapons to maintain superiority or is there more weight to
put on the government itself It already has a certain
number of weapons and they don't need the new weapons
and the upkeep and all that stuff from the contractors.
Like who what is the dependency ratio? I guess is
what I'm thinking, Because then those folks could theoretically sock
puppet large amounts of a huge government apparatus. Right.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Another example, one from the kind of textbooks that a
lot of American kids don't get, would be the company
or the Central Intelligence Agency. So who decides who decides
the order of operations or priority for foreign government interference
(30:41):
on behalf of the CIA? Is it indeed the US
government or is it a tricky hand and glove agglomeration
of things like United Fruit and very powerful corporate interests
that have friends in the shop the company. That's another example,
(31:02):
because we have to remember that the United States is
long held on paper a separation of church and state,
but never a separation between private industry and state. Which
is fascinating, is it not. Oh yeah, let's fast forward.
It's twenty seventeen and fits kind of the hero or
(31:23):
protagonist of our story has Double Dragon partnered up with
an economist out of Michigan State University, a guy named
Mark Skidmore. This is the one that caught our collective
eye for our weekly Strange News program. The headline is
that they claim, over a seventeen year period, they found
(31:43):
the US Department of Defense and the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development had, as you said, no secreted
away twenty one trillion with the T dollars in unauthorized spending.
So for some back of the case of da math,
that equates to something like sixty five thousand dollars per
(32:04):
person in the US. It is a lot of money.
And it doesn't matter who you did or did not
vote for during this seventeen year time period, no matter
who was in office, this grift was happening around the clock.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and it's in a weird way too, because it's
not like there's just some fun that all this money
went into, right it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
There's not like a file mapped stamped secret.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No. Right, there's a file mapped, no receipt, no information.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right. That's yeah. They're like all those people hide and
poured on their laptop. There's a file that just says taxes.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, yeah, but who knows where that money actually? Who
knows where that money actually went. It's really it's so
dang troubling. And we're talking like Forbes writing about this.
This isn't something to post somewhere.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Right, Yeah. And our buddy, the economist Skidmore got involved
in twenty sixteen because he heard Catherine Fitz refer to
a report that indicated the US Army had six point
five trillion in what we call unsupported adjustments or spending
in the fiscal year of twenty fifteen. The Army at
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the time had a budget of one hundred and twenty
two billion, not trillion, and so that meant logically that
these unsupported adjustments, which is a hell of a euphemism,
were fifty four times the spending that was officially authorized
by Congress, which is just we will bore you with
(33:42):
the quote. But that is a thing that is in
the Constitution. The US was They're very vague about a
lot of stuff in the beginning, because the Constitution is
kind of a weird pitch meeting, right, But they were
super explicit about some of the money. And typically these
unsupported adjustments are supposed to give you a bit of
(34:04):
financial agility or dexterity. It's a little course correction, like
when you're landing a plane and you got to get
to the right part of the runway. They're not supposed
to be a big deal. They're supposed to be a
teens tiny, infinitesimal fraction of adjustment. That's why they're called
unsupported adjustments.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Just six point five trillion. Here's a quote from Forbes
talking about what unsupported means. It just says, quote, they
lack supporting documentation to justify the adjustment or are not
tied to a specific accounting transaction. Right, So literally just
playing with the money.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, just messing with the money. Shut out culture kings. Hey,
I get ip. Yeah, So at first, logically, our economist skidmore,
he looks at he looks at fits his receipts, He
looks at her homework, her research, all published, all transparent,
and he said, okay, look, I'm not being a jerk.
(35:03):
I'm just by vocation and economists. So there has to
be a mistake. This doesn't make sense. He thought Fits
must have somehow in the editing process meant six point
five billion and not six point five trillion, And so
he would later go on to say, multiple interviews, I
found the report myself, and sure enough it was six
(35:29):
point five trillion dollars. So he reaches out to fits.
Fits and Skidmore are asking what gives? Where is all
this dark money going? What on Earth is happening? Date
or off of earth? As we'll see, They investigate further,
and they put together a team like a Ocean's eleven
had a high steam of grad students. Can I be
(35:49):
the bag man? Of course, you're always the bat. You're
my bagman for sure. Man, I won't tolerate another. And
they scoured government archives for more info. They look especially
at the Office of the Inspector General, and they target,
as Matt mentioned earlier, any similar documents, by which we
mean anything with a familiar discrepancy dating as far back
(36:15):
as nineteen ninety eight. They spend two years doing this
from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three, and they
strike gold. They find documents indicating that total of twenty
one trillion dollars in undocumented adjustments occurs over the time
period of nineteen ninety eight to twenty fifteen. And they
(36:37):
don't know what happens before ninety eight. They don't know
what happens after fifteen. They had to scope in.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Dude, guys, this is why I think fits lands On
that one hundred and seventy or whatever. I think she
uses the one hundred and seventy term in her statements.
There are one hundred and seventy such.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, so so our person, Mark Skidmore found that there
were one hundred and seventy transactions in a single year
that accounted for two point one trillion dollars. So imagine
one hundred and seventy divided by two point one trillion,
and then try to imagine how huge those transfers must
(37:18):
have been.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
And at this point, as they're sussing things out and
as they're assembling their forensic accounting, they are confident they've
proven some Shenanigans are recurring on a gargantuan scale, but
they don't quite know the end game, and they have
to ask themselves, is this a case of multiple smaller
(37:40):
grifts using the same tactics. Are there a bunch of
little bad guys? Or is there something larger at play?
And then they notice this is some umami right here, folks.
They notice that as they reach out to various agencies,
various departments, various offices, they get dismissed, they get put off,
they get stonewalled, and then later lo and behold. After
(38:04):
they make these conversations and provide their receipts, evidence of
the stuff they're asking about gets scrubbed from public access,
wiped off the web. No foia for you, it says,
though it never existed. And so they didn't give up,
and they still didn't have an answer, And eventually Fitz
believes that her and her team do find the answer.
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we're back. Let's go to the Tucker Carlson Show where
we kind of teased what they thought all these financial
shenanigans were for. They have ultimately concluded, Uncle Sam, the
United States government in secret used this twenty one trillion
dollars to create a network of one hundred and seventy
(42:16):
ish hidden underground bases.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, and in addition to that, Fits also claimed to
have found evidence of massive supporting infrastructure construction, along with
a transport system and a network of you know, roads
and highways and highways underground, some of it underneath the ocean. Yes,
and these are sort of arteries between these different facilities.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. I mean, Fits is also, to
her credit and her team's credit, pretty transparent in her
statements about what she does not know yet. So neither
she nor Skidmore claimed to know the exact local of
these underground bases. Neither of them claim to know exactly
who gets in when the poop hits the fan, and
(43:06):
so on. And they also say, we don't know how
big every base is. We don't know if they're all
currently in use or regularly occupied by staff. We don't
know what it looks like in the inside. We don't
know how many people can be housed there for how long.
We don't know what kind of amenities or resources they have.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
But they also don't have any evidence that any of
this is actually happening.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Right, that's correct. Yeah. While they seem to have certitude
about what they're saying, as we'll see later in the episode,
they don't have hard proof of this, at least anything
that's been publicly confirmed or acknowledged, And we should later
talk about what kind of proof that would have to be,
because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, if you break down that twenty one trillion by
one hundred and seventy, that constitutes about one hundred and
twenty three billion dollars a piece. I think something like that. So, like,
imagine the type of structure that you could build for
that amount of money one hundred and twenty three billion
dollars over the course of you know, almost thirty years.
(44:13):
That's you could You could make something crazy. And we're
not we're not just talking about underground bases. We're talking
about tunnel systems. They would have to be bored, right
because in the statement she said they're all connected by
a secret tunnel system, like all of these facilities that
are built that they allege and they all She also
alleged that there's a secret power system or a secret
(44:34):
power source that only the government has access to to
to power everything underground that they're using. Maybe I don't know,
and when I'm trying to imagine all these things, like
what they're thinking it could be and what it could
look like and how it could actually function with that
amount of money. Yeah, you have to also factor in
all of that other stuff that would you know, we
(44:56):
see with the boring company, right, Tesla's boring company, and
all the stuff they're doing around Las Vegas and they're
boring these huge, huge holes, and the stuff they're trying
to do in Dubai, and just how expensive those projects
cost for just to connect to resorts in Las Vegas,
how expensive that process is, and then to make that
stuff safe. You can just see you would need you
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would need trillions of dollars to make something like this happen.
The question is, as you said, Ben, how do you
prove that that's actually what's happening with this money?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And from Fitz's perspective, at least public statements, these are
not opulent vacation homes like the Zuckerberg complex or that
wackad do stuff in New Zealand. There emergency bolt holes
for scenario where the worst things occur, massive nuclear war,
unstoppable plagues, disasters from space, the collapse of the nation.
(45:49):
And then she also says some of these might be
used in the interim. Again, this is a realm of
speculation for other classified ongoing projects and teases the possibility
a secret space program, which really gave me the jimmies.
But all right, if we recap the possible implications, Okay,
one possibility, something bad is demonstrably on the way and
(46:13):
the US has known about it for a long time,
as you said earlier, Matt decades. A more realistic possibility,
based on historical precedent, is that something bad is statistically
always in the cards, and the US, like any other government,
is preparing for any contingency. It's just the usual. What
(46:33):
do we call it. We call it continuity of government
or the technical term would be co op soap. Yeah, continuu,
continuity of operations.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's why the Shyan Mountain complex was built, right, But
it's also right now why Space Force is occupying Chyan
Mountain because of course we're not in a readactive hitting
the fans situation at the moment, although we are, but
we're not, but we are.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
It's always you know what it is. Human civilization is
a place where picture it like a bathroom or water
closet that's just surrounded by fans. Eventually poop is going
to hit some of them.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, right, Not to mention the poop particles that you
can't see. They get on your toothbrush.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Oh God, close the lid when.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yes, every once in a while somebody opens the door
and just explosive diarrheas all over that joyces.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You can't see it.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Radiohead doesn't mean it's there right there.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
You get what I'm saying. Yes, yes. Another possibility here
is that a cabal of powerful private entities have compromised
the usual mechanisms of governance, shadowy consulting, investing, defense, lobbying
groups banding together, making their own dark avengers to ensure
the hell or high water their guys survive whatever might occur.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well, it also reminds me of Ozzy Man, not the
one from the poem, the one from the comic.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Book, the one from Watchmen. Yeah, he's bunkered up, you know,
for reasons.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, yeah, but he's also using all those dark funds
right to create all the new scientific things that he's
going to use to shock and awe everybody. So there
is this concept. It makes me imagine some of the
things that Catherine Fitz imagines, which in the interview she
talks about all the UAP that we've been seeing are
(48:29):
actually secret projects being developed in these underground bases, right,
like all of.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
The particularly undersea basis too.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
That that sends to me on the coastline. So like,
potentially you could have this black budget stuff to the
tune of trillions of dollars to develop stuff like that
that absolutely nobody knows about.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I mean, adjust the US Oppenheimer kind of projects for
inflation and you'll get to trillions real quick. Yes, it's
that level of cooperation between shadowy private cabals combined with secrecy.
Let's be honest. That's a tall milkshake. But it is
not impossible. There are historical precedents, and I think the
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thing that the five of us, Matt Noel Dylon yours
truly and hopefully you at home. The thing that the
five of us are returning to continually is that there
was money, and the money went somewhere. That is proven
the Shenanigans snand so the question is is fits is
(49:33):
Skidmore or other people in that in their crew. Are
they correct about where the money is going? Dude?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I love the Manhattan Project reference there. Because we're too
young to remember this. A lot of people listening out
there don't remember this, but the Manhattan project wasn't known
until the bomb dropped. Right then it was revealed, Oh hey,
we had this secret or this huge secret project organizing
all these people, creating these buildings and facilities, trying to
(50:04):
create this new technology that we just showed off. But
you didn't know any of it was happening. And literally
nobody knew what was happening. And that was the way
it was supposed to go.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Right. Again, of some things do have to move in secrecy,
it's also fair to ask, could you really build something
a network at this level in secret? Wouldn't locals notice?
And here, surprisingly Tucker Carlson has something to add. He
shares his story with Fits in the interview about an
(50:37):
unnamed friend of his who's a contractor in Washington, DC.
And apparently this contractor was talking with Tucker Carlson and said, look,
there's something that looks like a power box or transformer
box right there in Constitution Avenue. And it's not that
it's actually a secret entrance aggress, a hidden, hidden passage
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from the White House. And I think that's part of
why we're paying special attention to Fits as claims and
as objectively skeptically as possible. We're figuring out where the
receipts are. There is no solid or publicly acknowledged proof
of what fits is saying past the fact that the
cash disappeared. But we do know the modern world is
(51:21):
full of hidden stuff just below the surface of the
public consciousness. Guys, this is a deep cut for a
lot of people. But do you remember years ago when
we were obsessed with the Long Lines building and we
trekked across New York City to discover multiple different structures
with hidden purposes.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, we talked. We talked about that pretty extensively. When
a city wants to hide the infrastructure that makes the
city work, like what we talked about this the substations
that might exist, like in the middle of a city block.
You don't want it to just look like a substation.
We've all seen those. That will be an eye sord.
(52:01):
So let's construct a fake building around it and nobody
will think twice.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, secret power plants camouflaged as huge apartments or public
storage buildings. You know, I can't remember the name of
a public storage company, but they're everywhere, so that's very reasonable.
We're hidden entrances to subways and other subterranean structures that
get disguised as abandoned brownstones that are for some reason
(52:28):
immaculately maintained. Hent You can find these everywhere in a
big city. Look for blacked out windows, really anomalous maintenance
and pro tip doorknobs that don't make sense, doorknobs that
don't work, lack of doorknobs, a doorknob just in the
middle of a thing we walked up to those buildings.
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You can also find subway ventilation shafts. Another this is
not quite a red flag, but another giveaway would be
inexplicable facades and storefronts in densely populated, wildly expensive neighborhoods
that have no construction notices on them, nothing but like
(53:12):
a small no trespassing sign and you can't see inside. Dude.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I always think about the huge water run off caverns
and tunnels that large cities have to build just as
a part of being a city to be able to
move water when it rains really hard or there's a
tiny bit of flooding Chessea.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Brooklyn yesterday, No crazy underwater business like you know, really
yeah wild. I mean, we just to your point, Matt's
super important, and when it fails in cities. It failed
hard and it is gnarly, especially with subway tunnels and those.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Filling them, and that's when people find out it exists
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
That's right, Well, yeah, but that's it makes me think
about Las Vegas, and there's a like six hundred miles
of under Las Vegas and it's all to prevent flooding
in case one day it rains really hard over Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
And a lot of it is Some people have died
because they're forced to live down there.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well, yeah, people who live down there, So if anything
bad happens, it's not good. But it's also a really
great place to take shelter if you're trying to get
out of the heat. These huge systems and the old
railway systems that are not used anymore, especially when you
get out to the mountains in any populated area near
the mountains, in even any mountain range pick one, and
(54:30):
there is a bunch of existing underground stuff that is
no longer used.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Like the cheese cavern, Well that's being used. And that's
where we got in trouble with Big Dairy. But yeah,
I agree with that. Wasn't there a thing?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
And then we talked about a strange news a while
back about like oreos being hoarded in like an underground
bunker or something like that by Nabisco a lot.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I gotta like this up. I wouldn't be surprised, And
I think it all supports our thesis here because it
proves that, yes, the Global Orio Vault. Yes, yeah, because
it proves yes, stuff can be built in secret, it
can be right under your nose. And the question that
I would argue becomes a matter of scale, both in
physical size and in windows of time, by which I
(55:12):
mean how big can a secret facility be while remaining
secret throughout its construction and operation? And then secondly, how
long can it remain secret in general before somebody snitches? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, And just to clarify, the Global Orio Vault was
in Svalbard, Norway. Was a sort of a publicity stunt,
but was inspired by a real important bunker slash vault stunt,
the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. This is another you know,
extinction level event, cash of materials hopefully help get things
(55:47):
back to normal, which would you know, take a long time.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
I'm still so fascinated with Svalbard. I was talking about
on Daily Zeitgeist and low and behold the travel food
blogger Mark Weims beat me to bard. Guys, do you
know Mark Weams is.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You were going to swaalvard Man.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
I didn't know that always going somewhere, right, I suppose
so the.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So I'm trying to make connection here, guys, between that
conversation we had about big government and then the contractors
that big government hires that you know, this money ends
up getting funneled to where the project actually happens. And
I'm thinking about the cozy relationship that SpaceX has had
with NASA for a while. It's kind of it's not
going so great at this moment, but that really cozy
(56:30):
relationship where basically a private company was going to enable
a government organization to go back to the moon.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
But then you've got an adjacent sister company to SpaceX
to Tesla called the Boring Company that Elon Musk runs
that is specifically to bore giant, huge tunnels. And that
company has its forward facing projects that you can go
on their website you can look at their projects and
all the things they're doing. But you've also now got
(56:59):
a company that has the capability to bore giant underground tunnels.
That you've already got massive government contracts with, you know,
at least connected by those threads that could you use
the boring company to get some of this stuff done
as an official project, but start it at one of
these places that is disused.
Speaker 4 (57:19):
Matt, and my being a dingdag is the name the
boring company referring to their boring activities.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Or yes, they bore giant holes.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
Okay, but I get that it's a pun. I guess
I just never really connected those things.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't know. It just it's weird to me that
those are the those are the things that the guy
that made Tesla is running. Feels a little weird.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
You know, Homeboy's got a serious bunker. Must Yeah, And
this question about how big a thing could be in secret,
how long it could stay secret, calls the miy it.
Of course, the infamous story of things like the Greenbrier Bunker.
From nineteen fifty nine all the way to nineteen ninety
two out in West Virginia, the Greenbrier Hotel, which is
(58:04):
a great hotel, was home to a secret government continuity
program called Project Greek Island, literally a secret bunker for
the Grand Pooh bahs of big government hidden right under
the hotel, constructed, maintained entirely in secret for decades. It
would probably still be operational now if The Washington Post
hadn't publicly revealed it back in the nineties, as mentioned earlier.
(58:27):
If you want to learn more about this, check out
our interview segment with the journalist and author Garrick Graft
phenomenal dude. He dives deep into this and related subjects
in his book Raven Rock, The Story of the US
government secret plan to save itself while the rest of
us die. It's a good title and it's a harrowing,
sobering read, so to check it out. It's got a
(58:49):
ring to it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
I mean we also know, I guess, gents, we end
on this. How can we prove or disprove this?
Speaker 4 (59:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (59:02):
How can we look at these claims and go through
Fits and Skidmore's research. We acknowledge there's something screwy going
on with government spending and accountability. But past that, and
again credit to Katherine Austin Fits for the transparency, it's
difficult to find hard proof of the follow up claims
just because money is missing doesn't mean it automatically went
(59:24):
to a secret network of oh classify bunkers. We can't
because we're un invited, right, Yeah, I don't think we're
going to get it.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
So much of that stuff is so out of our hands, man.
I mean, I'm sorry. I hate to be such a
bummer about this, and maybe it's systems taking the obvious,
but I just don't.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
I don't trust that.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
My tax money is used for anything that benefits me, you.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Know, at all.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
I have no illusions about that, and it pisses me off,
and it just it's such a bummer.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
There's this thing you can find in some of the
accounting that Skidmore uncovered, and it goes back to the
Iraq War. And we can kind of understand what this
means if we think a little bit about it. But
there are these entities titled ghost employees, so employees of
either a government contractor or the government itself or the
(01:00:15):
Iraqi government that was being formed back in two thousand
and four, two thousand and five, all the in that era,
ghost employees that were not ever on paper, but they
are unofficially employees of one of these entities. Right, one
of these groups, one of these organizations, and it does
make me wonder how many human beings would have to
(01:00:36):
exist as ghost employees to get projects like this done,
or would they be working officially for some other company
or group doing something they believe that they're doing when
that's actually not what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
We know how easy it is to cover up contractor
activities and to you know, have it's like that mafia
trick of like having like a big project like the
Esplanade and then like you know, fun money through purchases
that you never actually made or you know, line items
of materials and things like that, no show employees things
like that. I mean, I guarantee that the government is
(01:01:11):
employing similar tactics to or not even bothering hiding it
because it's just not really something that we even can
get to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I don't know, and I just I just realistically, how
many people would you need to create a single one
of these things?
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
A lot it would, I would see.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
But maybe you know what it makes me think of
a good example of this is in the plot line
of Better Call Saul, where they're building the meth lab
and they hire these German engineers and have to do
the whole thing in secret and like time the underground
explosions to when there's a train going past and all
of this stuff, like so that nobody knows they're doing this,
and they're doing it underneath this like you know, industrial laundromat.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And it's not that many people.
Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I think it's like maybe twelve people that they have employed.
Like there's a demolitions expert, there's the overseeing engineer who
designed the project, and is you know, the foreman, and
then there's maybe five or six other dudes, each with
their own specialty.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Oh and okay.
Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
So I just think it could be a similar setup,
you know, to keep things tight.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's making me think about the unexplained booms. We've got
a couple official explanations for things like the hum that
we've talked about before, but if you imagine the sounds
that might occur if there's a huge drill underground right
going through stone or something like not that far away
or even pretty dang far away, and then explosions happening,
(01:02:29):
you can imagine some of those things as being theoretical
explanations for construction deeper reverberate.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent, man, I think yes, yeah,
I agreed with you, guys. And one thing to prove
or disprove these claims from Fit Skidmore at all, Ideally
we need to see something similar to the Washington Post
investigation in Greenbrier, by which we mean documentation, physical photos
(01:02:57):
of a site or preferably multiple sites, and in this case,
clear evidence of an alleged transit network. Secondly, the more boring,
yet counterintuitively way more important stuff financial documentation clearly tracing
the passage of dollars from public offers to shadowy hidden projects.
A clear chain of lineage of command from one government
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institution to another, along with the front companies, contractors, investors.
This is dreaming big as well. While we're making a
wish list, how about a manifest Epstein style of who's
in who's out of the bunkers when the big day comes.
For now, one thing is for sure, it seems Fits
and skid Moore or onto something very powerful people don't
(01:03:40):
want you to know. We'd love to hear your thoughts.
So you can find us on email, you can give
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. Friends and neighbors, fellow
conspiracy realist, we are coming to you on October thirty first,
(00:50):
a Friday, twenty twenty five. Happy Halloween. As we're recording this,
it's not going to be coming out until later in November,
but you know tis the season.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Welcome for extending the merriment on your There we go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We do it every year on the show. You get
a little extra.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Spooky, right right. We hope everybody enjoyed our oh our
shout out to our alma mater house. Stuff works with
our recent episode how Selling Your Soul Works, which did
come out on October thirty first, and Noel, just to
get in the spirit here while we're all having a
time off air, you were saying, you have a Halloween
(01:29):
anecdote to share? Boy, do I ever?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I got my day off to a spooky bang. I
was awakened from what I believe to have been a
relatively spooky dream by the sound in my home of
a small child saying I'm in here, come find me.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
And I got up and turned on all the lights
and literally was.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Looking around my house, calling out, looking under beds, opening
closet tours, and in my stupor, you know, I called
my kid just to be like, I needed to share
this way somebody we wo paint the scene for us.
What were you calling out?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Where you say hello? Hello? You saying child?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I may or may not have spoken aloud, but I
was definitely looking through the house and turning on all
the lights, and it was genuinely rattled.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And your cat began to speak.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Million and my cat does have a bit of a
childlike voice. She goes, oh.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But I called my kid just to like, you know,
trauma dump on somebody. And they were the only one
I knew would be up. It was six thirty in
the morning, and they just start cackling uncontrollably because apparently
they had taken control of my Bluetooth speaker system in
my house and started piping in.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Spooky Halloween sas nice, nice way to And apparently it
was an accident at first because they were connected to
my system and they were trying to do it to
spook their sister and mom and like we do the
Halloween prank.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But boy, oh boy, it just was one of those
moments where I truly for a second believed something supernatural
was afoot and it really rattled me. I would I
would have been pissed if not for having been such
a genius prank.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You're you're feeling better, though? Oh yes, I feel great it.
I mean, honestly, at the end of the day, it
was a great way to start off the name Matt
you gotta Halloween story? Not really.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I have one thing to say though. I've recently watched
the movie US because my girlfriend had never seen it,
and I can't believe we just rewatched it and we're
doing this episode because I don't know if you guys
remember the very opening title card of that movie, which
I did not remember. I'm gonna read it because it's
(03:43):
really short.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Sure, please do quote.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
There are thousands of miles of tunnels beneath the continental
United States, abandoned subway systems, unused service routes, and deserted
mine shafts. Many have no known purpose at all.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And drop that.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And yet you know, PRIs you're the pump of your mind.
But they don't deliver on that for quite a bit, right.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well without without spoiling it. As you guys know, I'm
quite enthusiastic about the the acumen of Jordan Peel, the
filmmaker creator and has one of my favorite quotations that
always applies, which is the difference between horror and comedy
(04:33):
is merely the soundtrack. We This is an excellent segue here, Matt.
I'm happy to share a Halloween's story if anybody wants. Oh, oh,
I don't know if it's fit for public consumption. We'll
need people to self select on this one, okay, but
we do have uh, we do have of course. At
the at the top, we have our little internal quote
(04:55):
here is from the Constitution. Maybe we'll share later, but
in tonight's episode is met so beautifully. Segue two, we
are diving into a story that we previously ran across
in Strange News. So much has happened this year, It's
devilishly easy to miss some of the oddest things. Some
(05:17):
of the things that deserve more attention end up being
a there and gone, a sizzle in the pan out right,
and they disappear So in the wind, A kaiser in
the wind. I love the poetry there, Noel, So our
question this evening from our earlier weekly Strange News program.
(05:39):
Does the United States government have a vast secret city underground?
If so, come on, like why and can we get in?
How do I check it out? I'd like to take
a look, like, can we look at it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
How come?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
What for? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, quibono? Who benefits?
Sure about that? That's why? Right right by the way,
A chair company, y'all?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Banger Yeah yeah, dig it, dug in Yeah, sorry, I
had to drop that rope.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Also shout out to Bob Odenkirk and I think you
should leave. She's a model. She wanted to marry me.
Can you believe it? But she's beautiful, but she's dying trips.
All right, we'll be back after word from our sponsors.
Here are the facts, all right. We got to start
(06:34):
with this. I feel like we always have to start
with this part bunkers are not inherently bad. Being prepared
not to sound too eagle scoutish and programmed. Being prepared
is cool, right, Like, if you can have your own bunker,
why would you not got a basement. It's kind of
like a bunker. It's a bunker.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, right, And bunkers are important in all wars. Guess
what are created bunkers?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Why? Safety?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
They literally have weapons called bunker busters, right, that's where
they have to tell they get your bunk.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yes, yeah, and we're bonkers for bunkers.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yes, well maybe Billy's bunkers for bunker busters.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Governments have known for a long time. Hey, with all
the munitions that exist out there and as they advance
going down, Wow, building underneath the earth. Yes, probably a
great idea to save not only operations, but all of
the stuff that you might want to lob back at somebody.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep. We're on record multiple times talking about our various
group and individual experiences exploring researching bunkers and guys think
about it. A lot of our fellow conspiracy realists, friends
and neighbors in the crowd global tonight may have their
own bunkers, hideaways, or emergency shelters. Shows shout out to
(07:53):
you guys, a panic room. Is there a crossover?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Is there a Venn diagram? Yes, not all bunkers or
panic rooms. Not all panic rooms or bunks, puzzles and mazes.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, in this case, as long as the panic room
is in the basement, we're good.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
We're bunker up. Yeah. Yeah. And the issue, and that's
a great question, because the primary differentiator between a panic
room and a bunker is going to be the projected
length of time spent inside that structure. There you go.
So a panic room is the room where you go
for a short term panic. The bunker is the room
(08:27):
where you take everybody available and say, let's all eat
MREs until it's time to restart civilization the long term
panic room. Yeah, totally spacing on where this was.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I want to say it was that MoMA, But I
did recently explore a recreation of like a bunker from
like the nineteen thirties, and it had like, you know,
refrigerators and you know, all like a bar and all
these things. You know, it was meant to be like
a family, a wealthy families, you know, subterranean shelter, which
was quite common especially it must have been part of
(09:01):
some traveling exhibitions.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Did you guys ever make it over to that very
strange little stone castle I lived in for a.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
While underground Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
It had it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
It was in Atlanta, and it did have both great
guesses and it did have it did have a small
fallout shelter. It was built by a very short man
in the nineteen twenties, by his own hand.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
In the twenties.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Nothing was up to code. But I loved I loved
going to the shelter. I should have had you guys
over there. Man, I don't know about this, but this
sounds great. Yeah, well, you get in situations. So here's
the pickle folks. Due to the nature of their construction,
it is very difficult to determine exactly how many quote
(09:50):
unquote bunkers or hideaways or shelters exist in the United States,
let alone the world. I mean, after all, think through
your favorite Twilight Zone episodisodes. Many households logically don't want
to advertise their capabilities in a time of peace and stability,
because neighbors might turn on you if things go sideways.
(10:12):
People will do incredibly unclean things if they think they're
acting for the greater good of their loved ones. Right,
So that's why Parker, why are you going to tell people?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why you get close to no one? That is
my recommendation.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, that's why the arsenal is, you know, step four
rather than twenty or something. You know, exactly right, maybe
step one. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
That's that goes into an aesthetic philosophical quantary.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean talking about talking about stockpiling weapons for your
own protection.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
The order of operation of resource gathering. Yeah, so with
this in mind, since we can't name every single one,
let's talk rough categories. I posit there are three rough
categories of what could be concidered bunkers, the first one
being private bunkers. It's an umbrella term. It counts everything
(11:06):
from crazy Uncle Jimbo's intensely renovated basement all the way
up to things like that weird stuff going on in
New Zealand, or of course, Dylan's buddy Mark zuckerberg sprawling
Hawaii complex. You like how I three under the Maui
there Dylan.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Sweet Baby Rais Marky z and the Sweet Babies.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's hip hop group.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah, it's funny when you think about maybe not funny,
but when you think about megawealthy people like that, it
seems to be a foregone conclusion that they're going to
have the most elaborate subterranean dwellings because they probably know
that some of their actions are going to cause a
scorched earth mad Max scenario one day, and they want
to continue to live in opulence and comfort.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Serious question, do you guys think somebody like Zuckerberg, somebody
like you know, all Musk, all these guys who are
building bookers, do you think they're making those facilities is
as low tech as possible because like so none of
the systems are online, none of the systems are interconnected.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Knows that they're smart.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well yeah, I'm saying they know that anything like smart
system that you build into something like that. Once their
technologies are fully unleashed, they're all going to get.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Depends on how much of their own kool aid they've
drunk and how much they think that they're immune to
that kind of thing, because I guess when I think
of mega wealthy billionaire bunkers, they're always like voice controlled
and helicans of robotics and automations.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
It's not it's not an off base question because it's
almost in the scope of a different episode to see
what kind of preparation would be there, like the concept
of a firewall, how does one become self sustaining resource independent?
There was this crazy Oh, I'll have to look it
(12:54):
up or email us about it and we'll follow up
with the primary source. But there was this crazy journal
realistic investigation a number of years ago that put a
light on a public light on the kind of conversations
these billionaire folks were having where one of their main
concerns was not necessarily technology, and that depends the infrastructure
(13:18):
upon which it depends. It was more so, how do
I keep the staff from killing me when money doesn't matter?
And one of the things that was realistically floated and
confirmed by the journalist investigating was the idea of fixing
the serfs with shock callers to ensure compliance. Do check
(13:41):
out the graphic novel series Lazarus and Lazarus Risen if
you want to see what a post apocalyptic world like
that was.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Was there not a teav invitation of that that just dropped.
I just saw there's a show called Lazarus and it
said somebody author sounding names Lazarus. I do want to
like authors sounded well, you know what I mean, like
Steve things it, but like it just seemed like that
was the way the title was was laid out. But
Matt to your point too about the network of it
all and the like connectedness. I imagine there also would
(14:11):
be ways to have all the servers be local and
self contained and fire fireware gaptly and and everything still
being connected within the closed system and still be pretty
high tech.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
At which point you need a power plant and if
you needed if you had global visibility and semi real time,
you'd need to assume that the satellites exist and you
have contact with them. So that's okay. So private bunkers
is an umbrella term, right. The second category we could
pose it would be refurbished former government stuff. This is
(14:43):
a hybrid. This is one of those things that full disclosure, folks,
we will get very excited about and text each other
about when we're not even working. You find out about
a you find out about a decommissioned missile silo or
Cold War era complex, and Uncle Sam decides that some
(15:05):
facilities over time are no longer necessary or they cost
too much to maintain, and they sell them to private entities,
sometimes companies, sometimes real estate folks, sometimes just straight up
individuals who say I want to live in a missile silo.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Well, also a lot of those early government situations were
repurposed things like repurposed wine cellars and like, you know,
other kinds of repurpose structures. And Ben I was doing
a little digging based around the comment you made about
pre nuclear defensive bunkers, and we're talking as early as
nineteen twenty eight, where you know, in Germany and East
(15:42):
Prussia built some of these bunkers to defend themselves against
potential attacks, you know, from enemies in the region like Poland.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
So in this second category, the hybrid thing works like this,
the appropriate authorities salvage all the real tasty nasty toys
from these facilities before they get decommissioned and sold. So
it's not as if, at least in the States, you
can accidentally buy a silo that still has a working
(16:09):
nuclear warhead in it, and objectively that's a good thing. Now,
we cannot speak to the stands, because out in the stands,
in former Soviet satellite states, the line between private and
public industry is much more blurry. However, even though all
the cool stuff gets taken away. Before a private owner
(16:32):
buys a former government site, you as the new purchaser,
will still have a tremendous advantage. The government facilities are
built on information the public usually doesn't have. Better construction,
better material standards, solid location, a design that benefits from
access to classified research. So like, for example, a Cold
(16:55):
War era shelter is going to be built to leverage
the latest research at the time of how contaminated gas
can spread.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
In terms of filtration, in terms of ventilation, all of
those kinds of systems that are designed with all of
that stuff in mind. So that does bring us to
the next and most impressive tier, right the ones that
the governments fabricate from scratch, you know, in order to
continue running things during the apocalypse.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, I'm just as a connector to between these two.
I'm thinking about the tech that's in things like the
Minuteman silos, the fifty four I think minute Man silos
that still exist around the world that have these like
shocks basically built into the bunker system itself, so if
there's any massive explosion above, it can withstand an intense
(17:48):
amount of pressure even though it's underground. Like, that's the
kind of tech that we're talking about here that gets
linked into the newer stuff that's being developed, because if
you imagine those things being built in the fifty right,
the late forties, fifties, now you can only imagine the
types of tech that would exist in underground systems that
(18:08):
have been built I would say, from the sixties on.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, and maintained since then. So long as
Snoopy Doope journalists don't interfere. Shout out to the Washington
Post in Greenbrier and shout out to Snoopy same. Yeah,
shout out to Snoopy as well, and shout out to
the great Pumpkin Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
So let's just just expand on that the Greenbrier thing.
I think you can hear it. We did an episode
on deep underground military bases a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, we did that. We had an interview segment as
well with Eric Graff, the author of Raven Rock, is
going to come up in this.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, yes, So like you can go back through and
hear all about those two places if you want to,
or the Greenbrier at least.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, And now we've got the big dogs that you
were teasing so beautifully dull. Our third category of bunker,
These are the kreben de la creme, real end of
the world stuff, government created facilities with modern technology, constructed
in secrecy and expressly designed to ensure survival against a
(19:08):
panoply of modern threats and modern tech. And this is
like war breaking tech, the stuff that redefines global conflict. Also, again,
these are the things that are built leveraging information the
public does not have. They know what to be concerned about,
(19:29):
they know what to build for. There's real time wait stuff.
So that's the subject in Todight's episode because as we
mentioned a while back when we're first chatting about this
in our Strange News program, it was a conversation on
the Tucker Carlson podcast named in a Burst of Creativity
the Tucker Carlson Show in May twenty twenty five, and
(19:51):
there's a very interesting guest on this. We know this
show is not for everybody, but there's a very interesting
guest on there named Catherine Austin Fitz, an investment banker
and once upon a time Assistant Secretary of Housing and
Urban Development or HUD under President George H. W. Bush.
Fits made this extraordinary claim.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yes, the claim that the US has spent twenty one
trillion with the T dollars building a secret underground city.
I don't know she came right out and used this language,
but this is the implication where the ultra wealthy can
hide out and just hang and continue being ultra wealthy
during a this is a quote near extinction event.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Funded via taxpayer money apparently, but this is not for
the average US taxpayer. Instead, the argument is Fit says
that we the people have built a series of places
we simply cannot visit. How do I get in on that? Yeah?
So bracket do I got to be in to get
an invite?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well that's I think that's the whole point, at least
of what she's saying here. And and when you hear
she said that they've been doing this since nineteen ninety
eight at least that her research states right, And they've
been building these things, and it's not one city, it's
it's a series of cities essentially.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So uh, network h.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It seems it seems so extraordinary, right, you would need
somebody just hand me the receipts, show me where that's
actually happening, and let's prove that occurred.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Otherwise, like it just sounds like somebody talking crazy. But
as we're gonna find, there is some weird stuff going on,
really weird stuff going on that makes me think twice
about this.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So our question becomes, could this idea, the idea twenty
one trillion dollars siphoned off from the United States, spent
in secret to make an elite post apocalyptic civilization. Could
any of this be true? We'll tell you after a
word from our sponsors. Here's where it gets crazy. All right, Well, folks,
(22:10):
while it might sound bonkers at first, as we're going
to find there's a surprising amount of sand to the
speculation here. So maybe we begin with Fits herself. First,
thing that you need to know, Catherine Austin Fitz, who
is alive now, is not just some random person. Fits
has a career built on public spending and research into
(22:31):
government fraud, which means she is far more than your
average bear, uniquely suited to speak on these and similar cases.
She's donated to. Looked at her donation records. She's donated
to politicians on either side of the Great American Divide, Democrats, Republicans,
independents alike. She's a big Wheel investment banking. She's rocking
(22:53):
an MBA from Wharton because the director of admissions for
Wharton literally told her she should apply. She also correct
this is a big one. She correctly predicted the two
thousand and eight mortgage crisis way before it happened. She
looks at the money like that nerdy professor hero in
(23:13):
Black Monday murders. So I think it's fair to say
that we're not confirming she's automatically correct in this case.
But we do have to note she has a track
record of investigation and expertise with this exact kind of stuff,
and she's been at it for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yes, and as we bring her up, we also should
say she's got these bona fides. But if you continue
listening to that entire episode of Tucker Carlson's show, you'll
hear her talk about how the COVID nineteen vaccine has
DNA modifying ingredients, in how there's a shadowy global cabal
using mind control to enslave all of us. So we're
(23:56):
trying to look at her in as much of a
balance way as possible. Right, one person can have these
bona fides and also believe of a huge range of things, right, right, We're.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Av Lowe being an expert in one field of science
doesn't make him an expert in all fields of science.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Correct, So we're using her fields of study here when
it comes to the money as the thing that we're
actually looking at.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Let's go to a brief timeline. In two thousand and four,
Fits and her co author Chris Sanders publish a study
in World Affairs. The Journal of International Issues used to
have a subscription in those guys, and they claimed to
find the following. This is a kind of long quote,
but let's share it as is verbatim and then unpack
(24:44):
it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
She and her co author Chris Sanders, claims to find quote.
Here's that here it is evidence that a very large
proportion of the nation's wealth is being illegally diverted. Since
several decades into secret, unaccountable channels and program with unspecified purposes,
including covert operations and subversions abroad and clandestine military R
(25:07):
and D at home, public institutions have been infiltrated and
taken over by shadowy.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
There's that word again.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Groups in the service of powerful, private invested interests, often
at the expense of common good.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Beautifully done for the more centical among us. This isn't
in anything new right, black book programs are as American
as apple Pie, and everybody ignore the fact that apples
are from Kazakhstan anyway, in such Apple But Johnny Appleseed
and Old But Johnny Appleseed. Tune into our episode on
(25:39):
that coming up. But in some cases it's an ugly
truth that secrecy is absolutely requisite, as it's problematic to
admit it because this concept gets abused all the time
by bad faith actors. But sometimes you really can't tell
Congress where the money is going because doing so would
compromise national security. Look no further than things like Oakridge
(26:05):
right back in the days of nuclear research. But the
thing is Fits and Sanders go a bit further here.
They're claiming this is somehow more conspiratorial, that powerful private
interests have essentially metastasized within public institutions and now they're
sock puppeting them for their own again private gay.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
So she's against this, she's against this.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
H he's not a fan letter. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
To tell with some of these folks, you know, like
secret underground Elitis Bunker or again.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And as we'll see the headlines, especially the ones I
originally found strange news. Those are a little bit breathless
and they're missing some nuance of fits his statements. And
that was that was back in two thousand and what
we save four when her and Chris Sanders said there's
(27:04):
something screwy with money.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well, just to stay in that era for a second,
we looked very hard at the Iraq war and spending
in cash and what money that went missing, and it
made us think about the two thousand and seven reporting
out of a lot of places about billions of dollars
in cash that went missing when the US sent literally
(27:28):
a palette, not a palette, palettes and palettes and pallets
and palettes and palettes of billions of dollars twelve billion
over to Iraq and it just vanished into a war zone.
And you just imagine that kind of use of money
right by a government by militaries. And then you go
back to this concept of could they be sock puppeted
(27:50):
by like R and D companies?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Can you clarify that term again?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I mean, I know we've used it a lot and
everyone probably knows, but that in this context, sock puppeting is.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Sock puppeting in this context would be at least from
my perspective, it would describe the mechanism where a private
institution has regulatory capture over some public or state run activities.
So think of like a contractor like Halliburton, for instance.
(28:21):
They have the people in place to get funding approved
from the DoD for any given number of initiatives, and
so they have the people who say yes, and those
people are Halliburton people, even though they're technically DoD people.
And so now they've got a rubber stamp committee such
(28:41):
that whomever is approving these expenditures is not following the
rules of Uncle Sam. They're doing what Halliburton's board of
directors tell them.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Well, and it would seem that folks on maybe the
more right side of the political divide are all about
this level of privatization, like it's kind of a feature,
not a bug.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Right, It happens in some cases, but historically war profiteering
is seen as a great sin on all sides of
the political divide. Now I like your point there, Noel,
because depending upon which perspective we assume, will see that
(29:24):
everybody in any imaginable position is aware of these sorts
of shenanigans, and they get mad about the ones that
don't benefit them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There you go, Yeah, Well, as you think about outfits
like Northrop Grumman and some of the weapons manufacturers, and
you think about the large numbers of government contracts that
go to those guys, and what is the dependency ratio?
Is the government dependent on the contractor who builds the
(29:54):
weapons to maintain superiority or is there more weight to
put on the government itself It already has a certain
number of weapons and they don't need the new weapons
and the upkeep and all that stuff from the contractors.
Like who what is the dependency ratio? I guess is
what I'm thinking, Because then those folks could theoretically sock
puppet large amounts of a huge government apparatus. Right.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Another example, one from the kind of textbooks that a
lot of American kids don't get, would be the company
or the Central Intelligence Agency. So who decides who decides
the order of operations or priority for foreign government interference
(30:41):
on behalf of the CIA? Is it indeed the US
government or is it a tricky hand and glove agglomeration
of things like United Fruit and very powerful corporate interests
that have friends in the shop the company. That's another example,
(31:02):
because we have to remember that the United States is
long held on paper a separation of church and state,
but never a separation between private industry and state. Which
is fascinating, is it not. Oh yeah, let's fast forward.
It's twenty seventeen and fits kind of the hero or
(31:23):
protagonist of our story has Double Dragon partnered up with
an economist out of Michigan State University, a guy named
Mark Skidmore. This is the one that caught our collective
eye for our weekly Strange News program. The headline is
that they claim, over a seventeen year period, they found
(31:43):
the US Department of Defense and the US Department of
Housing and Urban Development had, as you said, no secreted
away twenty one trillion with the T dollars in unauthorized spending.
So for some back of the case of da math,
that equates to something like sixty five thousand dollars per
(32:04):
person in the US. It is a lot of money.
And it doesn't matter who you did or did not
vote for during this seventeen year time period, no matter
who was in office, this grift was happening around the clock.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and it's in a weird way too, because it's
not like there's just some fun that all this money
went into, right it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
There's not like a file mapped stamped secret.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
No. Right, there's a file mapped, no receipt, no information.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Right. That's yeah. They're like all those people hide and
poured on their laptop. There's a file that just says taxes.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, yeah, but who knows where that money actually? Who
knows where that money actually went. It's really it's so
dang troubling. And we're talking like Forbes writing about this.
This isn't something to post somewhere.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Right, Yeah. And our buddy, the economist Skidmore got involved
in twenty sixteen because he heard Catherine Fitz refer to
a report that indicated the US Army had six point
five trillion in what we call unsupported adjustments or spending
in the fiscal year of twenty fifteen. The Army at
(33:19):
the time had a budget of one hundred and twenty
two billion, not trillion, and so that meant logically that
these unsupported adjustments, which is a hell of a euphemism,
were fifty four times the spending that was officially authorized
by Congress, which is just we will bore you with
(33:42):
the quote. But that is a thing that is in
the Constitution. The US was They're very vague about a
lot of stuff in the beginning, because the Constitution is
kind of a weird pitch meeting, right, But they were
super explicit about some of the money. And typically these
unsupported adjustments are supposed to give you a bit of
(34:04):
financial agility or dexterity. It's a little course correction, like
when you're landing a plane and you got to get
to the right part of the runway. They're not supposed
to be a big deal. They're supposed to be a
teens tiny, infinitesimal fraction of adjustment. That's why they're called
unsupported adjustments.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Just six point five trillion. Here's a quote from Forbes
talking about what unsupported means. It just says, quote, they
lack supporting documentation to justify the adjustment or are not
tied to a specific accounting transaction. Right, So literally just
playing with the money.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, just messing with the money. Shut out culture kings. Hey,
I get ip. Yeah, So at first, logically, our economist skidmore,
he looks at he looks at fits his receipts, He
looks at her homework, her research, all published, all transparent,
and he said, okay, look, I'm not being a jerk.
(35:03):
I'm just by vocation and economists. So there has to
be a mistake. This doesn't make sense. He thought Fits
must have somehow in the editing process meant six point
five billion and not six point five trillion, And so
he would later go on to say, multiple interviews, I
found the report myself, and sure enough it was six
(35:29):
point five trillion dollars. So he reaches out to fits.
Fits and Skidmore are asking what gives? Where is all
this dark money going? What on Earth is happening? Date
or off of earth? As we'll see, They investigate further,
and they put together a team like a Ocean's eleven
had a high steam of grad students. Can I be
(35:49):
the bag man? Of course, you're always the bat. You're
my bagman for sure. Man, I won't tolerate another. And
they scoured government archives for more info. They look especially
at the Office of the Inspector General, and they target,
as Matt mentioned earlier, any similar documents, by which we
mean anything with a familiar discrepancy dating as far back
(36:15):
as nineteen ninety eight. They spend two years doing this
from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three, and they
strike gold. They find documents indicating that total of twenty
one trillion dollars in undocumented adjustments occurs over the time
period of nineteen ninety eight to twenty fifteen. And they
(36:37):
don't know what happens before ninety eight. They don't know
what happens after fifteen. They had to scope in.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Dude, guys, this is why I think fits lands On
that one hundred and seventy or whatever. I think she
uses the one hundred and seventy term in her statements.
There are one hundred and seventy such.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, so so our person, Mark Skidmore found that there
were one hundred and seventy transactions in a single year
that accounted for two point one trillion dollars. So imagine
one hundred and seventy divided by two point one trillion,
and then try to imagine how huge those transfers must
(37:18):
have been.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
And at this point, as they're sussing things out and
as they're assembling their forensic accounting, they are confident they've
proven some Shenanigans are recurring on a gargantuan scale, but
they don't quite know the end game, and they have
to ask themselves, is this a case of multiple smaller
(37:40):
grifts using the same tactics. Are there a bunch of
little bad guys? Or is there something larger at play?
And then they notice this is some umami right here, folks.
They notice that as they reach out to various agencies,
various departments, various offices, they get dismissed, they get put off,
they get stonewalled, and then later lo and behold. After
(38:04):
they make these conversations and provide their receipts, evidence of
the stuff they're asking about gets scrubbed from public access,
wiped off the web. No foia for you, it says,
though it never existed. And so they didn't give up,
and they still didn't have an answer, And eventually Fitz
believes that her and her team do find the answer.
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we're back. Let's go to the Tucker Carlson Show where
we kind of teased what they thought all these financial
shenanigans were for. They have ultimately concluded, Uncle Sam, the
United States government in secret used this twenty one trillion
dollars to create a network of one hundred and seventy
(42:16):
ish hidden underground bases.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah, and in addition to that, Fits also claimed to
have found evidence of massive supporting infrastructure construction, along with
a transport system and a network of you know, roads
and highways and highways underground, some of it underneath the ocean. Yes,
and these are sort of arteries between these different facilities.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. I mean, Fits is also, to
her credit and her team's credit, pretty transparent in her
statements about what she does not know yet. So neither
she nor Skidmore claimed to know the exact local of
these underground bases. Neither of them claim to know exactly
who gets in when the poop hits the fan, and
(43:06):
so on. And they also say, we don't know how
big every base is. We don't know if they're all
currently in use or regularly occupied by staff. We don't
know what it looks like in the inside. We don't
know how many people can be housed there for how long.
We don't know what kind of amenities or resources they have.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
But they also don't have any evidence that any of
this is actually happening.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Right, that's correct. Yeah. While they seem to have certitude
about what they're saying, as we'll see later in the episode,
they don't have hard proof of this, at least anything
that's been publicly confirmed or acknowledged, And we should later
talk about what kind of proof that would have to be,
because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, if you break down that twenty one trillion by
one hundred and seventy, that constitutes about one hundred and
twenty three billion dollars a piece. I think something like that. So, like,
imagine the type of structure that you could build for
that amount of money one hundred and twenty three billion
dollars over the course of you know, almost thirty years.
(44:13):
That's you could You could make something crazy. And we're
not we're not just talking about underground bases. We're talking
about tunnel systems. They would have to be bored, right
because in the statement she said they're all connected by
a secret tunnel system, like all of these facilities that
are built that they allege and they all She also
alleged that there's a secret power system or a secret
(44:34):
power source that only the government has access to to
to power everything underground that they're using. Maybe I don't know,
and when I'm trying to imagine all these things, like
what they're thinking it could be and what it could
look like and how it could actually function with that
amount of money. Yeah, you have to also factor in
all of that other stuff that would you know, we
(44:56):
see with the boring company, right, Tesla's boring company, and
all the stuff they're doing around Las Vegas and they're
boring these huge, huge holes, and the stuff they're trying
to do in Dubai, and just how expensive those projects
cost for just to connect to resorts in Las Vegas,
how expensive that process is, and then to make that
stuff safe. You can just see you would need you
(45:17):
would need trillions of dollars to make something like this happen.
The question is, as you said, Ben, how do you
prove that that's actually what's happening with this money?
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And from Fitz's perspective, at least public statements, these are
not opulent vacation homes like the Zuckerberg complex or that
wackad do stuff in New Zealand. There emergency bolt holes
for scenario where the worst things occur, massive nuclear war,
unstoppable plagues, disasters from space, the collapse of the nation.
(45:49):
And then she also says some of these might be
used in the interim. Again, this is a realm of
speculation for other classified ongoing projects and teases the possibility
a secret space program, which really gave me the jimmies.
But all right, if we recap the possible implications, Okay,
one possibility, something bad is demonstrably on the way and
(46:13):
the US has known about it for a long time,
as you said earlier, Matt decades. A more realistic possibility,
based on historical precedent, is that something bad is statistically
always in the cards, and the US, like any other government,
is preparing for any contingency. It's just the usual. What
(46:33):
do we call it. We call it continuity of government
or the technical term would be co op soap. Yeah, continuu,
continuity of operations.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's why the Shyan Mountain complex was built, right, But
it's also right now why Space Force is occupying Chyan
Mountain because of course we're not in a readactive hitting
the fans situation at the moment, although we are, but
we're not, but we are.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
It's always you know what it is. Human civilization is
a place where picture it like a bathroom or water
closet that's just surrounded by fans. Eventually poop is going
to hit some of them.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, right, Not to mention the poop particles that you
can't see. They get on your toothbrush.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Oh God, close the lid when.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yes, every once in a while somebody opens the door
and just explosive diarrheas all over that joyces.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
You can't see it.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Radiohead doesn't mean it's there right there.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
You get what I'm saying. Yes, yes. Another possibility here
is that a cabal of powerful private entities have compromised
the usual mechanisms of governance, shadowy consulting, investing, defense, lobbying
groups banding together, making their own dark avengers to ensure
the hell or high water their guys survive whatever might occur.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well, it also reminds me of Ozzy Man, not the
one from the poem, the one from the comic.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Book, the one from Watchmen. Yeah, he's bunkered up, you know,
for reasons.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, yeah, but he's also using all those dark funds
right to create all the new scientific things that he's
going to use to shock and awe everybody. So there
is this concept. It makes me imagine some of the
things that Catherine Fitz imagines, which in the interview she
talks about all the UAP that we've been seeing are
(48:29):
actually secret projects being developed in these underground bases, right,
like all of.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
The particularly undersea basis too.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
That that sends to me on the coastline. So like,
potentially you could have this black budget stuff to the
tune of trillions of dollars to develop stuff like that
that absolutely nobody knows about.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
I mean, adjust the US Oppenheimer kind of projects for
inflation and you'll get to trillions real quick. Yes, it's
that level of cooperation between shadowy private cabals combined with secrecy.
Let's be honest. That's a tall milkshake. But it is
not impossible. There are historical precedents, and I think the
(49:11):
thing that the five of us, Matt Noel Dylon yours
truly and hopefully you at home. The thing that the
five of us are returning to continually is that there
was money, and the money went somewhere. That is proven
the Shenanigans snand so the question is is fits is
(49:33):
Skidmore or other people in that in their crew. Are
they correct about where the money is going? Dude?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I love the Manhattan Project reference there. Because we're too
young to remember this. A lot of people listening out
there don't remember this, but the Manhattan project wasn't known
until the bomb dropped. Right then it was revealed, Oh hey,
we had this secret or this huge secret project organizing
all these people, creating these buildings and facilities, trying to
(50:04):
create this new technology that we just showed off. But
you didn't know any of it was happening. And literally
nobody knew what was happening. And that was the way
it was supposed to go.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
Right. Again, of some things do have to move in secrecy,
it's also fair to ask, could you really build something
a network at this level in secret? Wouldn't locals notice?
And here, surprisingly Tucker Carlson has something to add. He
shares his story with Fits in the interview about an
(50:37):
unnamed friend of his who's a contractor in Washington, DC.
And apparently this contractor was talking with Tucker Carlson and said, look,
there's something that looks like a power box or transformer
box right there in Constitution Avenue. And it's not that
it's actually a secret entrance aggress, a hidden, hidden passage
(51:01):
from the White House. And I think that's part of
why we're paying special attention to Fits as claims and
as objectively skeptically as possible. We're figuring out where the
receipts are. There is no solid or publicly acknowledged proof
of what fits is saying past the fact that the
cash disappeared. But we do know the modern world is
(51:21):
full of hidden stuff just below the surface of the
public consciousness. Guys, this is a deep cut for a
lot of people. But do you remember years ago when
we were obsessed with the Long Lines building and we
trekked across New York City to discover multiple different structures
with hidden purposes.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, we talked. We talked about that pretty extensively. When
a city wants to hide the infrastructure that makes the
city work, like what we talked about this the substations
that might exist, like in the middle of a city block.
You don't want it to just look like a substation.
We've all seen those. That will be an eye sord.
(52:01):
So let's construct a fake building around it and nobody
will think twice.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, secret power plants camouflaged as huge apartments or public
storage buildings. You know, I can't remember the name of
a public storage company, but they're everywhere, so that's very reasonable.
We're hidden entrances to subways and other subterranean structures that
get disguised as abandoned brownstones that are for some reason
(52:28):
immaculately maintained. Hent You can find these everywhere in a
big city. Look for blacked out windows, really anomalous maintenance
and pro tip doorknobs that don't make sense, doorknobs that
don't work, lack of doorknobs, a doorknob just in the
middle of a thing we walked up to those buildings.
(52:52):
You can also find subway ventilation shafts. Another this is
not quite a red flag, but another giveaway would be
inexplicable facades and storefronts in densely populated, wildly expensive neighborhoods
that have no construction notices on them, nothing but like
(53:12):
a small no trespassing sign and you can't see inside. Dude.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
I always think about the huge water run off caverns
and tunnels that large cities have to build just as
a part of being a city to be able to
move water when it rains really hard or there's a
tiny bit of flooding Chessea.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
Brooklyn yesterday, No crazy underwater business like you know, really
yeah wild. I mean, we just to your point, Matt's
super important, and when it fails in cities. It failed
hard and it is gnarly, especially with subway tunnels and those.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Filling them, and that's when people find out it exists
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
That's right, Well, yeah, but that's it makes me think
about Las Vegas, and there's a like six hundred miles
of under Las Vegas and it's all to prevent flooding
in case one day it rains really hard over Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
And a lot of it is Some people have died
because they're forced to live down there.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well, yeah, people who live down there, So if anything
bad happens, it's not good. But it's also a really
great place to take shelter if you're trying to get
out of the heat. These huge systems and the old
railway systems that are not used anymore, especially when you
get out to the mountains in any populated area near
the mountains, in even any mountain range pick one, and
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there is a bunch of existing underground stuff that is
no longer used.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Like the cheese cavern, Well that's being used. And that's
where we got in trouble with Big Dairy. But yeah,
I agree with that. Wasn't there a thing?
Speaker 4 (54:43):
And then we talked about a strange news a while
back about like oreos being hoarded in like an underground
bunker or something like that by Nabisco a lot.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
I gotta like this up. I wouldn't be surprised, And
I think it all supports our thesis here because it
proves that, yes, the Global Orio Vault. Yes, yeah, because
it proves yes, stuff can be built in secret, it
can be right under your nose. And the question that
I would argue becomes a matter of scale, both in
physical size and in windows of time, by which I
(55:12):
mean how big can a secret facility be while remaining
secret throughout its construction and operation? And then secondly, how
long can it remain secret in general before somebody snitches? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, And just to clarify, the Global Orio Vault was
in Svalbard, Norway. Was a sort of a publicity stunt,
but was inspired by a real important bunker slash vault stunt,
the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. This is another you know,
extinction level event, cash of materials hopefully help get things
(55:47):
back to normal, which would you know, take a long time.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
I'm still so fascinated with Svalbard. I was talking about
on Daily Zeitgeist and low and behold the travel food
blogger Mark Weims beat me to bard. Guys, do you
know Mark Weams is.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You were going to swaalvard Man.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
I didn't know that always going somewhere, right, I suppose
so the.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So I'm trying to make connection here, guys, between that
conversation we had about big government and then the contractors
that big government hires that you know, this money ends
up getting funneled to where the project actually happens. And
I'm thinking about the cozy relationship that SpaceX has had
with NASA for a while. It's kind of it's not
going so great at this moment, but that really cozy
(56:30):
relationship where basically a private company was going to enable
a government organization to go back to the moon.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
But then you've got an adjacent sister company to SpaceX
to Tesla called the Boring Company that Elon Musk runs
that is specifically to bore giant, huge tunnels. And that
company has its forward facing projects that you can go
on their website you can look at their projects and
all the things they're doing. But you've also now got
(56:59):
a company that has the capability to bore giant underground tunnels.
That you've already got massive government contracts with, you know,
at least connected by those threads that could you use
the boring company to get some of this stuff done
as an official project, but start it at one of
these places that is disused.
Speaker 4 (57:19):
Matt, and my being a dingdag is the name the
boring company referring to their boring activities.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Or yes, they bore giant holes.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
Okay, but I get that it's a pun. I guess
I just never really connected those things.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't know. It just it's weird to me that
those are the those are the things that the guy
that made Tesla is running. Feels a little weird.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
You know, Homeboy's got a serious bunker. Must Yeah, And
this question about how big a thing could be in secret,
how long it could stay secret, calls the miy it.
Of course, the infamous story of things like the Greenbrier Bunker.
From nineteen fifty nine all the way to nineteen ninety
two out in West Virginia, the Greenbrier Hotel, which is
(58:04):
a great hotel, was home to a secret government continuity
program called Project Greek Island, literally a secret bunker for
the Grand Pooh bahs of big government hidden right under
the hotel, constructed, maintained entirely in secret for decades. It
would probably still be operational now if The Washington Post
hadn't publicly revealed it back in the nineties, as mentioned earlier.
(58:27):
If you want to learn more about this, check out
our interview segment with the journalist and author Garrick Graft
phenomenal dude. He dives deep into this and related subjects
in his book Raven Rock, The Story of the US
government secret plan to save itself while the rest of
us die. It's a good title and it's a harrowing,
sobering read, so to check it out. It's got a
(58:49):
ring to it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
I remember that.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
I mean we also know, I guess, gents, we end
on this. How can we prove or disprove this?
Speaker 4 (59:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (59:02):
How can we look at these claims and go through
Fits and Skidmore's research. We acknowledge there's something screwy going
on with government spending and accountability. But past that, and
again credit to Katherine Austin Fits for the transparency, it's
difficult to find hard proof of the follow up claims
just because money is missing doesn't mean it automatically went
(59:24):
to a secret network of oh classify bunkers. We can't
because we're un invited, right, Yeah, I don't think we're
going to get it.
Speaker 4 (59:33):
So much of that stuff is so out of our hands, man.
I mean, I'm sorry. I hate to be such a
bummer about this, and maybe it's systems taking the obvious,
but I just don't.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
I don't trust that.
Speaker 4 (59:42):
My tax money is used for anything that benefits me, you.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Know, at all.
Speaker 4 (59:47):
I have no illusions about that, and it pisses me off,
and it just it's such a bummer.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
There's this thing you can find in some of the
accounting that Skidmore uncovered, and it goes back to the
Iraq War. And we can kind of understand what this
means if we think a little bit about it. But
there are these entities titled ghost employees, so employees of
either a government contractor or the government itself or the
(01:00:15):
Iraqi government that was being formed back in two thousand
and four, two thousand and five, all the in that era,
ghost employees that were not ever on paper, but they
are unofficially employees of one of these entities. Right, one
of these groups, one of these organizations, and it does
make me wonder how many human beings would have to
(01:00:36):
exist as ghost employees to get projects like this done,
or would they be working officially for some other company
or group doing something they believe that they're doing when
that's actually not what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
We know how easy it is to cover up contractor
activities and to you know, have it's like that mafia
trick of like having like a big project like the
Esplanade and then like you know, fun money through purchases
that you never actually made or you know, line items
of materials and things like that, no show employees things
like that. I mean, I guarantee that the government is
(01:01:11):
employing similar tactics to or not even bothering hiding it
because it's just not really something that we even can
get to the bottom of.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I don't know, and I just I just realistically, how
many people would you need to create a single one
of these things?
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
A lot it would, I would see.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
But maybe you know what it makes me think of
a good example of this is in the plot line
of Better Call Saul, where they're building the meth lab
and they hire these German engineers and have to do
the whole thing in secret and like time the underground
explosions to when there's a train going past and all
of this stuff, like so that nobody knows they're doing this,
and they're doing it underneath this like you know, industrial laundromat.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And it's not that many people.
Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I think it's like maybe twelve people that they have employed.
Like there's a demolitions expert, there's the overseeing engineer who
designed the project, and is you know, the foreman, and
then there's maybe five or six other dudes, each with
their own specialty.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Oh and okay.
Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
So I just think it could be a similar setup,
you know, to keep things tight.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's making me think about the unexplained booms. We've got
a couple official explanations for things like the hum that
we've talked about before, but if you imagine the sounds
that might occur if there's a huge drill underground right
going through stone or something like not that far away
or even pretty dang far away, and then explosions happening,
(01:02:29):
you can imagine some of those things as being theoretical
explanations for construction deeper reverberate.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent, man, I think yes, yeah,
I agreed with you, guys. And one thing to prove
or disprove these claims from Fit Skidmore at all, Ideally
we need to see something similar to the Washington Post
investigation in Greenbrier, by which we mean documentation, physical photos
(01:02:57):
of a site or preferably multiple sites, and in this case,
clear evidence of an alleged transit network. Secondly, the more boring,
yet counterintuitively way more important stuff financial documentation clearly tracing
the passage of dollars from public offers to shadowy hidden projects.
A clear chain of lineage of command from one government
(01:03:19):
institution to another, along with the front companies, contractors, investors.
This is dreaming big as well. While we're making a
wish list, how about a manifest Epstein style of who's
in who's out of the bunkers when the big day comes.
For now, one thing is for sure, it seems Fits
and skid Moore or onto something very powerful people don't
(01:03:40):
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So you can find us on email, you can give
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