January 21, 2026 • 29 mins
Ever wonder why Gen Z is so obsessed with Millennial culture? Casey Lewis can tell you. She’s a trend researcher and author of “After School,” a Substack newsletter about youth and internet culture. Casey joins Karah to discuss why Gen Z is doubling down on nostalgia and buying up analog products. She runs through the latest trends you may have seen, but didn’t understand… And she unpacks why Gen Alpha might not feel the need to get away from their screens.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to Tech Stuff. I'm Cara Price. This is the story.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
As I've mentioned many many, many, many, many many many
times on this show, I am extremely online, and that
means that I am exposed to a lot of things
that I find interesting, but I don't really understand because
these trends change really quickly, and the people propelling culture
forward are arguably a little bit younger than me. They're
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gen Z and Jen Alpha. I need some help. So
our guest today is what I guess we would call
a trend analyst and a youth whisperer. Her name is
Casey Lewis, and she writes a substact that I've read
for as.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Long as it's been in existence.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's actually like the only one that I read with
any regular cadence.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's called After School.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I rarely do this, but if you're listening right now,
you should subscribe to it if you care about youth
culture or the Internet at all. Every installment of After
School is this curated grab bag of current trends, cultural moments,
and analysis. So as we look ahead to what twenty
twenty six has in store, I thought it would be
helpful to reflect on the ethos of youth culture at
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this very very weird moment. Casey and I started our
conversation with a trend that overtook many Instagram feeds this
past weekend that unfortunately, even parents were doing young parents
and old parents, which was posting pictures of yourself back
in twenty sixteen. And while this felt incredibly random, Casey
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told me that it actually didn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Here's Casey.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's been fascinating because months ago, maybe not nine months ago,
it was all about millennial cringe, the stomp clap hay
music coming back. So it went from millennial cringe to
just the end of the year, the millennial cringe had
morphed into a millennial optimism, young people obsessed with, you know,
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the sort of twenty tens of New York I want
to be a hipster.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But now the twenty sixteen thing.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Has built on all of that, and it's it's crazy
having twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You two, like, do you think it was a special year?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
No, I mean other than like the first worst news
cycle that ever existed.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Exactly, it was a weird time in culture. The Cut
published this piece that was like, you know, we do
not want to live through this again, and they mentioned
things that happened in twenty sixteen that I'd completely forgotten,
you know, happened then the Pulse nightclub massacre, Brexit, there
were like multiple horrible police killings.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Politically, it was.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
A horrible time, but most of the you know, the
trends around it are just an excuse I think to
dig back in your photos and show how like cutesy
you looked. People are romanticizing the flower crowns at Coachella,
the chokers, the snapchat filters. I think that young people
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associate twenty sixteen with peak whimsy aesthetically, even though having
lived the twenty sixteen it did not feel particularly whimsical.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was the antithesis of whimsy. So what got me
interested in talking to you for this particular interview was
your end of the year review, which was titled Nostalgia,
Economy and Analog Awakening. You sent out two hundred and
sixty newsletters in twenty twenty five. What was the cultural
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shift that you felt was most overlooked and what was
the kind of thing that surprised you the most.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I don't think the analog trend is overlooked by any means,
but I think it's hard to over emphasize, like how
big of a thing this tension between analog and AI is,
especially for young people. It feels like every single day
there's headlines around, you know, young people have discovered these
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old school hobbies. I've seen multiple headlines this week around
like Grandma core and at the same time the rise
of AI, especially in more like tech adjacent corners of
the Internet. I mean, it's totally taken over the conversation
in the last year. So I think that the tension
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between these two stories is very interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There is like an interesting juxtaposition because it feels like
the AI headlines things coming out of cees are like
industry checkpoints, whereas you're really reporting on things that people
are doing. And I think that what's more interesting to
me is like what are people doing to combat the
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fatigue of like an influx of like this is how
you should be using your phone, this is how you
should be using your computer. And to me, based on
what you report, it seems like people are like, I
don't want to do any of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, young people in particular, it seems like they're pushing
back against this. Even with my end of year Christmas
Hall analysis, a lot of people got iPads specifically to
many of them didn't have any social media on their iPads.
They just had it for games and Pinterest. So this
is like, it's like an interesting tech I know, it's
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like almost like catalog behavior or magazine. But you know,
as adults who have been in the workplace for a while,
I think we're seeing this narrative around using AI to optimize,
to you know, just be the best like corporate machine
that we can possibly be. And then young people a
aren't exposed to those headlines and when they are exposed
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to them or trying to push back against them, but
they are using AI for homework, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So I've noticed that some brands have taken to the
analog awakening. And I've thought for a long time that
unplugging or taking time away from your phone would become
the ultimate luxury. But is gen z buying into this?
And how about gen Alpha?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So gen Alpha is interesting because in my research, a
lot of these kids have very limited tech access, and
in interviews I've done with you know, different kids, some
of them you know, maybe only have an hour a
day and they spend that watching YouTube videos or YouTube shorts.
Others have you know, kind of as much screen time
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as they want, but they can't be on TikTok. Very
few of the Gen Alphas I've talked to, and I've
probably talked to fifty in the last year, very few
of them are allowed on TikTok, but they still are
able to consume that kind of content via reels or
other platforms. I think that Gen Alpha is generally too
young to really have a sense of being unplugged equals
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luxury or you know, freedom, because they've grown up in
a time of you know, being in front of screens,
but also their parents moderating the screens one way or
the other. So it'll be fascinating to see as they're
able to make decisions for themselves.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Another thing is the phone bands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know, so many schools in the last year have
band phones pretty widely, and so their screen time has
always been so you know, they're sort of like babysat
So will they think that being able to be unplugged
equals luxury Not at first, I don't think, But for
Gen Z and also millennials, the twenty twenty six ins
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and outs tiktoks that I watched being offline was a
huge in brain rot, a huge out all of these
words around, like being super online and you know, knowing
these sort of like week to week, day to day
trends isn't cool anymore. It's much better, according to the
ins and outs, to be unplugged, to read books, to
limit your screen time in the morning. Like they were
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imposing all of these rules around screen time, which you know,
it's fascinating because I think at the end of the day,
having an awareness of what's happening online and being ahead
of the trend cycle is never not going to be
a flex but they do want to be nice to
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their brains a little bit and limit the doom scrolling.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do you know about school phone bands? Like how
has this affected.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Things across the country. So many public schools have banned phones.
Private schools are a little more you know, they kind
of create the rules and yeah, but there were so
many articles around like, you know, kids are socializing again,
the lunch room is loud again, and a lot of
these articles interviewed both teachers and students, and it seems
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like it's very much net positive. Of course, some kids
are figuring out how to get around it. But if
everyone is sort of like not supposed to be on
their phone. Then being the one kid that gets arounded
by like having an extra device in your pocket, like
who are you going to talk to? Like, you know,
there's there's really no reason to do that if everyone
else doesn't have their phone. So I do think that
it is good for education, but I think that that
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being limited during the day to check what's happening just
will make people sort of binge a bit more before
and after. But I do like the you know, the
discovery of analog at the lunch room. I will say
earlier this week, Peugh published a study around phone band
sentiment and they talk to adults and teens and something
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like half of the teens were okay with like phone bands,
but they did not believe that it should be banned
during free periods in lunch room.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So there is pushback like.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not like kids are generally like
phone ban good. You know, like you're never going to
want to be limited to things like that, Like you
don't want to be patrolled.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be patrolled either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
As a complete pivot, you mentioned the decline of the
dating app.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Can you fill me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
In on what sex and romance looks like for gen
z because they're certainly, I mean they're certainly reading a
lot of romance.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, And you know they're reading a lot of romance,
and I think some of them are coming into their
own sexually from the romance to see. You know, they're
realizing what they want and they're realizing like how to
kind of put it into words. So I, you know,
haven't consumed a lot of romance to see myself, But
I do think it's net positive in many reasons. You know,
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people are reading more, but people are also realizing what,
especially like women's passion can look like.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I this last.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Year, maybe last two years, in terms of gender and
sex and dating, it's been so complicated, I think, and
made me just so grateful that I'm a millennial and
not like in it because I believe I was on
dating apps. Twenty sixteen a really good time for dating apps, yes,
peak and years around it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Peak dating app.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like one thing you can say about twenty sixteen is
that Hinder was great, But I think that dating apps
haven't evolved, and so young people feel as though they're
just endlessly swiping to no end, and then when they
are going on a date with someone that they meet
on a dating app, it's not a good match, and
so they feel like they've wasted their time. It feels
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like part of that is the apps have to monetize,
and so the experience is worse. But in the last
year two years, there have been a million headlines around
all of the other ways young people are meeting in person.
So obviously the cliched run club, but there's a million
other speed dating, having a matchmaker, having your friends do creative.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Google doc for you.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know, there's just so many different ways that people
are trying to meet that aren't.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The dating apps.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I think we'll see a dating app comeback. I think
that that isn't really inevitable.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I do think so.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I think that the dating apps will realize they're ruining
the experience by monetization, and maybe the largest ones won't.
You know, they have to answer to shareholders, the ones
that are public, But that gives a great opportunity for
challengers to enter the space and make an actually good experience.
But at the same time, I think what happened politically
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the election last year just created so much beyond the
dating apps, beyond the it's hard to meet people. It
created so much friction between men and women, and you know,
I felt like you couldn't trust men who didn't feel
like my husband's great but I was so angry at
men for you know, And so I think that does
add like some complications to the gender dynamic for people
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who are seeking out ooh identify a straight and are
seeking out an opposis ex partner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
After the break out dating apps in AI Lovers stay
with Us. You actually mentioned that gen Z are eighty
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three percent more open to developing relationships with AI chatbots.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is that a trend that you see continuing?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Like, because as we talk about sort of nostalgic core analog,
where does the relationship with a chatbot really fit into things?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
For gen Z?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
One sort of asterisk with that stat. It was cited
in a New Yorker piece, But it is a survey
that has been commissioned by a some sort of like
AI company, and so it's always hard to know with those.
I mean, I still find it interesting and like worth considering,
but at the same time, it's it gives me pause
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often and that one especially, But I do.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Think you know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The cut wrote a piece about AI as my boyfriend.
I think is the reddit the subreddit that has seventy
five thousand members, like people like, even if we don't
have any friends who are in relationships, they HI or.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I have friends that are in pretty serious like parasocial
relationships with chat thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, yes, and I think that it's not something that
we're really like talking about. And one thing that kind
of made me realize, like, oh, this is a little
bit deeper than I realized. At the end of the year,
there was a TikTok trend where girls were asking chatchept
the craziest questions that they had asked chatchip. It's sort
of like a chatchepte.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Wrapped yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And so they would post screenshots of the response and
the way that that chat cheepe deep talk to these
girls like oh girl, Like it was crazy. It was
so crazy, and it made me realize like, oh, they
are talking to them like if not boyfriends, like their
best friend. Like there is some real parasocial relationships happening,
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and I think for a lot of people, they're not
like I'm going to seek out a relationship with an
AI chatbot, but they just find themselves suddenly emotionally attached
and then it's like, oh shit, I'm in it with
this chatbot.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I think it's also I mean, I don't know,
I think that there is even I have friends that
are married who are still like very attached to what
a chatbot thinks. I think we have since the kind
of dawn of the personal computer. I think this predates
the phone. Like we have learned to outsource our emotions
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onto devices, you.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Know what I mean? Like, yeah, am I sad? Am?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I happy? Am I excited? Am I confused? Like let
me use a device? You know?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And it used to be that we like picked up
a book or read a.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know, and like And I don't mean to sound
old fashioned, but I think that this idea that like
we can sort of outsource our emotional need to something
digital is like the most indicative human evolutionary change of
our time. And it's why there's so much rage online,
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why there's so much joy online. But like, I think
the chatbot has like become an extension of this need
that we have to be in constant contact. And the
irony is that, like I think we are in less
contact with people, but we are in more contact than
ever with something. And I think every time a new
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digital tool gets introduced, like human attention is co opted.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I think that is so true.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So I could not agree more like young people are
more lonelier than ever, like of course they're going to
turn to AI. And also, you know, we've seen such
a rise in therapy speak, and you know, everyone knows
that they should go to therapy. You know, everyone needs therapy,
but so a few people can afford therapy. And you know,
even if you sort of scoff at that and then
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you find yourself in a hard moment and you're like,
I don't know how to process this. I'm going to
ask the all knowing chat GPT, well know, And it's
very easy to see how someone could turn to that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
And I also believe that at least I don't know.
Do you spend time on the.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Substack notes, I don't know, Okay, so it's it's substack
sort of Twitter competitor, But among the writers on that
are very very vocally anti AI, and I do see
that kind of poke up here and there on TikTok too.
For instance, when a rumor that Pinterest was going to
be acquired by open Ai through all of these like
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never Ai people. But I have this feeling that like
no one is being honest about how much they're actually
using AI in the day to day. And I could
be wrong. This is just my theory, but you know
the theory the people who are the loudest against something
are either secretly like fascinated by it or like actively
using it. But it's just it's so easy. It's it's
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readily available to you. And I just think that, you know,
everyone is using it more than they're kind of letting on.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think that's absolutely I think that's apout right. And
I think it's like even if you don't think you're
using it, you're using it right, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like if you're searching something on Google, you're using it
at the pop is.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So I want to talk a little bit about maxing,
because this was a trend that we saw this year.
Everything was about maxing, and there's looks maxing, social maxing,
productivity maxing. Now there's friction maxing, which might be the
trend of twenty twenty six. Is maxing the evolution of
a word or a behavior that has already existed, or
is maxing an entirely new phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I think we've always maxed.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think, to use another trending sort of phrase, I
think it is optimization core adjacent. I think it's I
think about as a teenager, young teenager reading seventeen and
teen Vogue, you know, the health advice, the fitness advice,
like I tried probably when I was like twelve, I
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tried to do every single like that was my bible.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
It's kind of sad to talk, well, but.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
If I could follow the advice of these editors, like
I could be a perfect specimen, like I was obsessed.
I think many young women are obsessed with this idea
of perfection, and I think that that's very much Maxine
the teen boy, you know, association with Maxine. I think
that the Andrew Huberman's, the Joe Rogan's, the manisphere that
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has sort of taken it to another level.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But I think to your point, we've always maxed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean, I think fitness culture has always been a
thing for men. I do think that the Internet in general.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Has like called to the four a brighter spotlight on
the sort of vulnerabilities of men and their looks in
a way that when I was growing up boys just
didn't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Definitely, it does seem like there's more visible pressure on
young men to look a certain way.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Though.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
My brother is a year older than me, and when
we were in high school, I remember he was like
at one point, this is going to embarrass him if
he listens to this, but he was like obsessed with
like getting his cap to be like like, I mean,
this is a tale as old as time. Teen boys,
young boys, they've always had pressures on them to look
a certain way. Yeah, the resources of the you know,
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all of these YouTube guys who are dispensing advice like
that didn't exist as much. Like if my brother wanted
to really truly like learn about what we now call
looks maxine, he could maybe read a book about like
the like exercise, you know, like the physiology.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I totally total.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But now, but now the resources are packaged very differently,
And I think that's how so many of these boys
who discover looks maxine then become you know, slightly red pilled,
and then it's like a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, before I let you go, I just want to
play a quick game with you. You very kindly included
a buzzword section for people like me and I want
to read through a few of these and you can
give me a don Would you be comfortable if I
did that?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah? Yeah, I hope, I I hope. I can't I
have them down?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, first one, am A me a livecore?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Am I a live core?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
This was a pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm glad we got that on microphone.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Actually, this was a weird micro trend. This was not
like something that kids nationwide were doing, like you know,
but kids were filming themselves dropping heavy objects on their
feet to get the reaction as a sort of like
rejection against AI and and honestly a rejection against algorithmic
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blandness and a sort of proof of life.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Wow, am I a live core?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Club? Club?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
This was very much a micro trend. But a group
of gen Zers created a club for going to the club. Okay,
it was this push pool between like we want to
be going out more, we don't have that many friends,
people are afraid to go places by themselves for many reasons, safety,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And so they created a club club.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Very Cool Life. Three sixty kids.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
So these are Genalfa and to some extent to gen
Z they have been surveilled by their parents and teachers
and you know, for much of their life. And so
Life three sixty is an app that I honestly didn't
know existed until a year or two ago. And it's
very it's like find my and So's. It's basically parents
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just keeping constant tabs on there. It's like helicopter parents
two point zero in bold and by tech. But it
would be very interesting to see what happens with this
generation or you know, the subgroup who has been constantly
you know, kept tabs on by their parents. That is,
when they have freedom.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Will they ever have freedom? Do they even want freedom?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's a good question. Lemonee Miso gochu Jane.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So this is kind of making fun of you know,
not just the New York Times food but so many
of these food bloggers food TikTokers just cramming as many
buzzwords into their recipe names as possible.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Got and you know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Fusion, fusion to the max. This phrase took hold then
the New York I believe it was Eric Kim, one
of the New York Times food guys, then created a
lemony miso gochu jan recipe as a sort of wing
but you know what was interesting is in the ins
and Outs for twenty twenty six lists this kind of sentiment,
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either specifically saying lemony miso go chu jing or saying
just overly complicated recipes very much out people want like
very simple quality recipes for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So like pasta with tomato.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Sauce exactly, exactly, like going back to basics.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is one that I'm very curious about.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Monkey barring.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, so there's like a constant sort of cycle of
dating app adjacent terms or dating really dating terms. Yeah,
so sharking is another one. So sharking is when you're
just you're circling around, you're pursuing hookups monkey barring. I mean,
think about it. You're on the playground, your arm you're
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still visualized there, you're still holding onto this monkey bar
you but your other hand is on this So you're
like you are effectively cheating on your partner who you're
planning to break up with while starting a new relationship
with someone else.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yes, well, being alone is very hard.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's very hard. What's a good boy?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Okay, I'm so glad you asked. So the gene alphas
have like their own sort of phrases, many of which
I feel like I probably don't even know about because
I really only learn about the ones that make it,
make it to TikTok. But good boy was when it's
like sort of demeaning to say, like, oh, aren't you
a good boy? So it's like, you know, kids can
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like make anything, yes, yes, yes, yes yes, And so
then it took hold to where teachers were banning the
phrase good boy, much like six' seven and it was
a new.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
One, now, yeah for one is another.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
One it's actually interesting, though because six seven took off
and then for one was like deemed the new six,
seven but then six' seven like took off with a
vengeance like for one never really got the legs that
it maybe, could have, because yeah six seven then became
like such a.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Mainstream thing, yeah, yeah yeah what's a?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yearner girl so THIS was.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I leave this popped up around The Time taylor swift
released her. Latest album it's when you you're kind of
a hopeless romantic but you're like very like proud, of
it and so you're not chill about what about your
crush or what? You?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Want?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Interesting, Interesting yeah i'm definitely a year, inner girl Which
is fine's anything wrong?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
WITH it i think it's, better ACTUALLY so.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I get my last rapid fire is not a term
what's gonna pop in twenty six or?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Not pop.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
YOU know i identify as a, trend researcher not a
trend what's The word i'm looking for that people?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Fore cast.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Trend FORECASTER but, i think, you know the brick popped
off so much at the end of the year with
all these headlines. AROUND landlines i think all of those
things are, very CUTE and i think that they're nice
ways To signal i'm a balanced person who isn't. Terminally
ONLINE but i do wonder how much of that is
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just performative or, even worse like just for, the CONTENT
and i could see like a hobby backlash or.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Like everyone ebaying. Their.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
NEEDLE interesting i don't know the. Analog trend it seems
to me that it is still, gaining steam that it has.
Not PLATEAUED but i do wonder how many hobbies can
one do and realize that that doesn't actually fill.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
The, void katie thank you so much for. Joining me
thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So much this is so. Much fun.
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Welcome to Tech Stuff. I'm Cara Price. This is the story.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
As I've mentioned many many, many, many, many many many
times on this show, I am extremely online, and that
means that I am exposed to a lot of things
that I find interesting, but I don't really understand because
these trends change really quickly, and the people propelling culture
forward are arguably a little bit younger than me. They're
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gen Z and Jen Alpha. I need some help. So
our guest today is what I guess we would call
a trend analyst and a youth whisperer. Her name is
Casey Lewis, and she writes a substact that I've read
for as.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Long as it's been in existence.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's actually like the only one that I read with
any regular cadence.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's called After School.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And I rarely do this, but if you're listening right now,
you should subscribe to it if you care about youth
culture or the Internet at all. Every installment of After
School is this curated grab bag of current trends, cultural moments,
and analysis. So as we look ahead to what twenty
twenty six has in store, I thought it would be
helpful to reflect on the ethos of youth culture at
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this very very weird moment. Casey and I started our
conversation with a trend that overtook many Instagram feeds this
past weekend that unfortunately, even parents were doing young parents
and old parents, which was posting pictures of yourself back
in twenty sixteen. And while this felt incredibly random, Casey
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told me that it actually didn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Here's Casey.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's been fascinating because months ago, maybe not nine months ago,
it was all about millennial cringe, the stomp clap hay
music coming back. So it went from millennial cringe to
just the end of the year, the millennial cringe had
morphed into a millennial optimism, young people obsessed with, you know,
(02:12):
the sort of twenty tens of New York I want
to be a hipster.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But now the twenty sixteen thing.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Has built on all of that, and it's it's crazy
having twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You two, like, do you think it was a special year?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
No, I mean other than like the first worst news
cycle that ever existed.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Exactly, it was a weird time in culture. The Cut
published this piece that was like, you know, we do
not want to live through this again, and they mentioned
things that happened in twenty sixteen that I'd completely forgotten,
you know, happened then the Pulse nightclub massacre, Brexit, there
were like multiple horrible police killings.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Politically, it was.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
A horrible time, but most of the you know, the
trends around it are just an excuse I think to
dig back in your photos and show how like cutesy
you looked. People are romanticizing the flower crowns at Coachella,
the chokers, the snapchat filters. I think that young people
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associate twenty sixteen with peak whimsy aesthetically, even though having
lived the twenty sixteen it did not feel particularly whimsical.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was the antithesis of whimsy. So what got me
interested in talking to you for this particular interview was
your end of the year review, which was titled Nostalgia,
Economy and Analog Awakening. You sent out two hundred and
sixty newsletters in twenty twenty five. What was the cultural
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shift that you felt was most overlooked and what was
the kind of thing that surprised you the most.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I don't think the analog trend is overlooked by any means,
but I think it's hard to over emphasize, like how
big of a thing this tension between analog and AI is,
especially for young people. It feels like every single day
there's headlines around, you know, young people have discovered these
(04:18):
old school hobbies. I've seen multiple headlines this week around
like Grandma core and at the same time the rise
of AI, especially in more like tech adjacent corners of
the Internet. I mean, it's totally taken over the conversation
in the last year. So I think that the tension
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between these two stories is very interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There is like an interesting juxtaposition because it feels like
the AI headlines things coming out of cees are like
industry checkpoints, whereas you're really reporting on things that people
are doing. And I think that what's more interesting to
me is like what are people doing to combat the
(05:03):
fatigue of like an influx of like this is how
you should be using your phone, this is how you
should be using your computer. And to me, based on
what you report, it seems like people are like, I
don't want to do any of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, young people in particular, it seems like they're pushing
back against this. Even with my end of year Christmas
Hall analysis, a lot of people got iPads specifically to
many of them didn't have any social media on their iPads.
They just had it for games and Pinterest. So this
is like, it's like an interesting tech I know, it's
(05:38):
like almost like catalog behavior or magazine. But you know,
as adults who have been in the workplace for a while,
I think we're seeing this narrative around using AI to optimize,
to you know, just be the best like corporate machine
that we can possibly be. And then young people a
aren't exposed to those headlines and when they are exposed
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to them or trying to push back against them, but
they are using AI for homework, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So I've noticed that some brands have taken to the
analog awakening. And I've thought for a long time that
unplugging or taking time away from your phone would become
the ultimate luxury. But is gen z buying into this?
And how about gen Alpha?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
So gen Alpha is interesting because in my research, a
lot of these kids have very limited tech access, and
in interviews I've done with you know, different kids, some
of them you know, maybe only have an hour a
day and they spend that watching YouTube videos or YouTube shorts.
Others have you know, kind of as much screen time
(06:44):
as they want, but they can't be on TikTok. Very
few of the Gen Alphas I've talked to, and I've
probably talked to fifty in the last year, very few
of them are allowed on TikTok, but they still are
able to consume that kind of content via reels or
other platforms. I think that Gen Alpha is generally too
young to really have a sense of being unplugged equals
(07:09):
luxury or you know, freedom, because they've grown up in
a time of you know, being in front of screens,
but also their parents moderating the screens one way or
the other. So it'll be fascinating to see as they're
able to make decisions for themselves.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Another thing is the phone bands.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
You know, so many schools in the last year have
band phones pretty widely, and so their screen time has
always been so you know, they're sort of like babysat
So will they think that being able to be unplugged
equals luxury Not at first, I don't think, But for
Gen Z and also millennials, the twenty twenty six ins
(07:47):
and outs tiktoks that I watched being offline was a
huge in brain rot, a huge out all of these
words around, like being super online and you know, knowing
these sort of like week to week, day to day
trends isn't cool anymore. It's much better, according to the
ins and outs, to be unplugged, to read books, to
limit your screen time in the morning. Like they were
(08:09):
imposing all of these rules around screen time, which you know,
it's fascinating because I think at the end of the day,
having an awareness of what's happening online and being ahead
of the trend cycle is never not going to be
a flex but they do want to be nice to
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their brains a little bit and limit the doom scrolling.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do you know about school phone bands? Like how
has this affected.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Things across the country. So many public schools have banned phones.
Private schools are a little more you know, they kind
of create the rules and yeah, but there were so
many articles around like, you know, kids are socializing again,
the lunch room is loud again, and a lot of
these articles interviewed both teachers and students, and it seems
(09:03):
like it's very much net positive. Of course, some kids
are figuring out how to get around it. But if
everyone is sort of like not supposed to be on
their phone. Then being the one kid that gets arounded
by like having an extra device in your pocket, like
who are you going to talk to? Like, you know,
there's there's really no reason to do that if everyone
else doesn't have their phone. So I do think that
it is good for education, but I think that that
(09:26):
being limited during the day to check what's happening just
will make people sort of binge a bit more before
and after. But I do like the you know, the
discovery of analog at the lunch room. I will say
earlier this week, Peugh published a study around phone band
sentiment and they talk to adults and teens and something
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like half of the teens were okay with like phone bands,
but they did not believe that it should be banned
during free periods in lunch room.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So there is pushback like.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not like kids are generally like
phone ban good. You know, like you're never going to
want to be limited to things like that, Like you
don't want to be patrolled.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be patrolled either.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
As a complete pivot, you mentioned the decline of the
dating app.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Can you fill me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
In on what sex and romance looks like for gen
z because they're certainly, I mean they're certainly reading a
lot of romance.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, yeah, And you know they're reading a lot of romance,
and I think some of them are coming into their
own sexually from the romance to see. You know, they're
realizing what they want and they're realizing like how to
kind of put it into words. So I, you know,
haven't consumed a lot of romance to see myself, But
I do think it's net positive in many reasons. You know,
(10:46):
people are reading more, but people are also realizing what,
especially like women's passion can look like.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I this last.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Year, maybe last two years, in terms of gender and
sex and dating, it's been so complicated, I think, and
made me just so grateful that I'm a millennial and
not like in it because I believe I was on
dating apps. Twenty sixteen a really good time for dating apps, yes,
peak and years around it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Peak dating app.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like one thing you can say about twenty sixteen is
that Hinder was great, But I think that dating apps
haven't evolved, and so young people feel as though they're
just endlessly swiping to no end, and then when they
are going on a date with someone that they meet
on a dating app, it's not a good match, and
so they feel like they've wasted their time. It feels
(11:39):
like part of that is the apps have to monetize,
and so the experience is worse. But in the last
year two years, there have been a million headlines around
all of the other ways young people are meeting in person.
So obviously the cliched run club, but there's a million
other speed dating, having a matchmaker, having your friends do creative.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Google doc for you.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know, there's just so many different ways that people
are trying to meet that aren't.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The dating apps.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I think we'll see a dating app comeback. I think
that that isn't really inevitable.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I do think so.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I think that the dating apps will realize they're ruining
the experience by monetization, and maybe the largest ones won't.
You know, they have to answer to shareholders, the ones
that are public, But that gives a great opportunity for
challengers to enter the space and make an actually good experience.
But at the same time, I think what happened politically
(12:38):
the election last year just created so much beyond the
dating apps, beyond the it's hard to meet people. It
created so much friction between men and women, and you know,
I felt like you couldn't trust men who didn't feel
like my husband's great but I was so angry at
men for you know, And so I think that does
add like some complications to the gender dynamic for people
(12:59):
who are seeking out ooh identify a straight and are
seeking out an opposis ex partner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
After the break out dating apps in AI Lovers stay
with Us. You actually mentioned that gen Z are eighty
(13:56):
three percent more open to developing relationships with AI chatbots.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is that a trend that you see continuing?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Like, because as we talk about sort of nostalgic core analog,
where does the relationship with a chatbot really fit into things?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
For gen Z?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
One sort of asterisk with that stat. It was cited
in a New Yorker piece, But it is a survey
that has been commissioned by a some sort of like
AI company, and so it's always hard to know with those.
I mean, I still find it interesting and like worth considering,
but at the same time, it's it gives me pause
(14:36):
often and that one especially, But I do.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Think you know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The cut wrote a piece about AI as my boyfriend.
I think is the reddit the subreddit that has seventy
five thousand members, like people like, even if we don't
have any friends who are in relationships, they HI or.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I have friends that are in pretty serious like parasocial
relationships with chat thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, yes, and I think that it's not something that
we're really like talking about. And one thing that kind
of made me realize, like, oh, this is a little
bit deeper than I realized. At the end of the year,
there was a TikTok trend where girls were asking chatchept
the craziest questions that they had asked chatchip. It's sort
of like a chatchepte.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Wrapped yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And so they would post screenshots of the response and
the way that that chat cheepe deep talk to these
girls like oh girl, Like it was crazy. It was
so crazy, and it made me realize like, oh, they
are talking to them like if not boyfriends, like their
best friend. Like there is some real parasocial relationships happening,
(15:48):
and I think for a lot of people, they're not
like I'm going to seek out a relationship with an
AI chatbot, but they just find themselves suddenly emotionally attached
and then it's like, oh shit, I'm in it with
this chatbot.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I think it's also I mean, I don't know,
I think that there is even I have friends that
are married who are still like very attached to what
a chatbot thinks. I think we have since the kind
of dawn of the personal computer. I think this predates
the phone. Like we have learned to outsource our emotions
(16:26):
onto devices, you.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Know what I mean? Like, yeah, am I sad? Am?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I happy? Am I excited? Am I confused? Like let
me use a device? You know?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
And it used to be that we like picked up
a book or read a.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know, and like And I don't mean to sound
old fashioned, but I think that this idea that like
we can sort of outsource our emotional need to something
digital is like the most indicative human evolutionary change of
our time. And it's why there's so much rage online,
(17:00):
why there's so much joy online. But like, I think
the chatbot has like become an extension of this need
that we have to be in constant contact. And the
irony is that, like I think we are in less
contact with people, but we are in more contact than
ever with something. And I think every time a new
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digital tool gets introduced, like human attention is co opted.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I think that is so true.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So I could not agree more like young people are
more lonelier than ever, like of course they're going to
turn to AI. And also, you know, we've seen such
a rise in therapy speak, and you know, everyone knows
that they should go to therapy. You know, everyone needs therapy,
but so a few people can afford therapy. And you know,
even if you sort of scoff at that and then
(17:52):
you find yourself in a hard moment and you're like,
I don't know how to process this. I'm going to
ask the all knowing chat GPT, well know, And it's
very easy to see how someone could turn to that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
And I also believe that at least I don't know.
Do you spend time on the.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Substack notes, I don't know, Okay, so it's it's substack
sort of Twitter competitor, But among the writers on that
are very very vocally anti AI, and I do see
that kind of poke up here and there on TikTok too.
For instance, when a rumor that Pinterest was going to
be acquired by open Ai through all of these like
(18:30):
never Ai people. But I have this feeling that like
no one is being honest about how much they're actually
using AI in the day to day. And I could
be wrong. This is just my theory, but you know
the theory the people who are the loudest against something
are either secretly like fascinated by it or like actively
using it. But it's just it's so easy. It's it's
(18:50):
readily available to you. And I just think that, you know,
everyone is using it more than they're kind of letting on.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I think that's absolutely I think that's apout right. And
I think it's like even if you don't think you're
using it, you're using it right, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Like if you're searching something on Google, you're using it
at the pop is.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So I want to talk a little bit about maxing,
because this was a trend that we saw this year.
Everything was about maxing, and there's looks maxing, social maxing,
productivity maxing. Now there's friction maxing, which might be the
trend of twenty twenty six. Is maxing the evolution of
a word or a behavior that has already existed, or
is maxing an entirely new phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
I think we've always maxed.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I think, to use another trending sort of phrase, I
think it is optimization core adjacent. I think it's I
think about as a teenager, young teenager reading seventeen and
teen Vogue, you know, the health advice, the fitness advice,
like I tried probably when I was like twelve, I
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tried to do every single like that was my bible.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
It's kind of sad to talk, well, but.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
If I could follow the advice of these editors, like
I could be a perfect specimen, like I was obsessed.
I think many young women are obsessed with this idea
of perfection, and I think that that's very much Maxine
the teen boy, you know, association with Maxine. I think
that the Andrew Huberman's, the Joe Rogan's, the manisphere that
(20:21):
has sort of taken it to another level.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
But I think to your point, we've always maxed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean, I think fitness culture has always been a
thing for men. I do think that the Internet in general.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Has like called to the four a brighter spotlight on
the sort of vulnerabilities of men and their looks in
a way that when I was growing up boys just
didn't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Definitely, it does seem like there's more visible pressure on
young men to look a certain way.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Though.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
My brother is a year older than me, and when
we were in high school, I remember he was like
at one point, this is going to embarrass him if
he listens to this, but he was like obsessed with
like getting his cap to be like like, I mean,
this is a tale as old as time. Teen boys,
young boys, they've always had pressures on them to look
a certain way. Yeah, the resources of the you know,
(21:11):
all of these YouTube guys who are dispensing advice like
that didn't exist as much. Like if my brother wanted
to really truly like learn about what we now call
looks maxine, he could maybe read a book about like
the like exercise, you know, like the physiology.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I totally total.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But now, but now the resources are packaged very differently,
And I think that's how so many of these boys
who discover looks maxine then become you know, slightly red pilled,
and then it's like a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, before I let you go, I just want to
play a quick game with you. You very kindly included
a buzzword section for people like me and I want
to read through a few of these and you can
give me a don Would you be comfortable if I
did that?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah? Yeah, I hope, I I hope. I can't I
have them down?
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, first one, am A me a livecore?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Am I a live core?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
This was a pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm glad we got that on microphone.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Actually, this was a weird micro trend. This was not
like something that kids nationwide were doing, like you know,
but kids were filming themselves dropping heavy objects on their
feet to get the reaction as a sort of like
rejection against AI and and honestly a rejection against algorithmic
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blandness and a sort of proof of life.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Wow, am I a live core?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Club? Club?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
This was very much a micro trend. But a group
of gen Zers created a club for going to the club. Okay,
it was this push pool between like we want to
be going out more, we don't have that many friends,
people are afraid to go places by themselves for many reasons, safety,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And so they created a club club.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Very Cool Life. Three sixty kids.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
So these are Genalfa and to some extent to gen
Z they have been surveilled by their parents and teachers
and you know, for much of their life. And so
Life three sixty is an app that I honestly didn't
know existed until a year or two ago. And it's
very it's like find my and So's. It's basically parents
(23:43):
just keeping constant tabs on there. It's like helicopter parents
two point zero in bold and by tech. But it
would be very interesting to see what happens with this
generation or you know, the subgroup who has been constantly
you know, kept tabs on by their parents. That is,
when they have freedom.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Will they ever have freedom? Do they even want freedom?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's a good question. Lemonee Miso gochu Jane.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So this is kind of making fun of you know,
not just the New York Times food but so many
of these food bloggers food TikTokers just cramming as many
buzzwords into their recipe names as possible.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Got and you know, it's like.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Fusion, fusion to the max. This phrase took hold then
the New York I believe it was Eric Kim, one
of the New York Times food guys, then created a
lemony miso gochu jan recipe as a sort of wing
but you know what was interesting is in the ins
and Outs for twenty twenty six lists this kind of sentiment,
(24:49):
either specifically saying lemony miso go chu jing or saying
just overly complicated recipes very much out people want like
very simple quality recipes for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So like pasta with tomato.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Sauce exactly, exactly, like going back to basics.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is one that I'm very curious about.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Monkey barring.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, so there's like a constant sort of cycle of
dating app adjacent terms or dating really dating terms. Yeah,
so sharking is another one. So sharking is when you're
just you're circling around, you're pursuing hookups monkey barring. I mean,
think about it. You're on the playground, your arm you're
(25:36):
still visualized there, you're still holding onto this monkey bar
you but your other hand is on this So you're
like you are effectively cheating on your partner who you're
planning to break up with while starting a new relationship
with someone else.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yes, well, being alone is very hard.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It's very hard. What's a good boy?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Okay, I'm so glad you asked. So the gene alphas
have like their own sort of phrases, many of which
I feel like I probably don't even know about because
I really only learn about the ones that make it,
make it to TikTok. But good boy was when it's
like sort of demeaning to say, like, oh, aren't you
a good boy? So it's like, you know, kids can
(26:21):
like make anything, yes, yes, yes, yes yes, And so
then it took hold to where teachers were banning the
phrase good boy, much like six' seven and it was
a new.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
One, now, yeah for one is another.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
One it's actually interesting, though because six seven took off
and then for one was like deemed the new six,
seven but then six' seven like took off with a
vengeance like for one never really got the legs that
it maybe, could have, because yeah six seven then became
like such a.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Mainstream thing, yeah, yeah yeah what's a?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yearner girl so THIS was.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I leave this popped up around The Time taylor swift
released her. Latest album it's when you you're kind of
a hopeless romantic but you're like very like proud, of
it and so you're not chill about what about your
crush or what? You?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Want?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Interesting, Interesting yeah i'm definitely a year, inner girl Which
is fine's anything wrong?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
WITH it i think it's, better ACTUALLY so.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I get my last rapid fire is not a term
what's gonna pop in twenty six or?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Not pop.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
YOU know i identify as a, trend researcher not a
trend what's The word i'm looking for that people?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Fore cast.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Trend FORECASTER but, i think, you know the brick popped
off so much at the end of the year with
all these headlines. AROUND landlines i think all of those
things are, very CUTE and i think that they're nice
ways To signal i'm a balanced person who isn't. Terminally
ONLINE but i do wonder how much of that is
(28:00):
just performative or, even worse like just for, the CONTENT
and i could see like a hobby backlash or.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Like everyone ebaying. Their.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
NEEDLE interesting i don't know the. Analog trend it seems
to me that it is still, gaining steam that it has.
Not PLATEAUED but i do wonder how many hobbies can
one do and realize that that doesn't actually fill.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
The, void katie thank you so much for. Joining me
thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
So much this is so. Much fun.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's it for this week For, Tech Stuff I'm. Kara
price this episode was Produced By eliza Dennis And. Melissa
slaughter it was executive produced by Me, Oswa Oshan, julia
Nutter And kate Osborne for Kaleidoscope And katrina Norvell For.
iHeart Podcasts jack insley mixed this Episode And kyle murdoch
wrote our.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Theme song join Us on friday For the.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
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