2024 Election = Nothing To Learn, Bible Grift Goes Poorly 05.05.26

In episode 2052, Miles and guest co-host Andrew Ti are joined by Associate Professor of Journalism at NYU and host of Unruly Subjects and Empire City, Chenjerai Kumanyika, to discuss… The Onion Debuts InfoWars Spoof--Despite Legal Setback, Democrats’ Best Friend Is The Overton Window…, The Thing About Being A Christian Grifter Is You Gotta At Least Know Like…Bible Verses? And more!

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2. Texas appeals court pauses The Onion's purchase of Infowars
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4. The Onion’s Plan to Take Over Infowars Is Once Again in Jeopardy
5. INFOWARS CHIEF (Tim Heidecker) ISSUES EMERGENCY STATEMENT

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Because of my understanding as a non sports person is
that the Knicks and Philly, and I'm kind of like
both in New York and Philly. Person. You know, if
you had to pick, I got to go home to Philly.
So I think, you know.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I just really, yeah, I want Philly's spite to win
the day, because there's just something, there's an edge to
the way, like Philadelphians even when they win, they fucking
are they hate it somehow that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
They're sore winners. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I was just reading that the Sixers are like if
people are trying to buy tickets and they're like their
addresses aren't in the greater Philadelphia area, They're like, no, no, no,
we don't need usurpers in here. We need all we
need every Philadelphian possible.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Not the strongest fan building program.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah but still but still.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh, Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season four to
thirty seven, episode two of the Daily Zeitgeiser production of iHeartRadio.
This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared sordid consciousness through the day's news. We
also have a new obviously, you know, the non news
history version of the episodes dropping every Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
The Icon episodes where we talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Things people like Whitney Houston free to Collo, Ben Lawden's
love obsession with Whitney Houston, that to the point he
wanted to go after Bobby Brown because he felt Bobby
Brown was in the way of him being with Whitney Houston,
and even talking about people like mister Bean on a
wind tours coming up just icons and what they say
that I did Sherlock Holmes, You did Sherlock Holmes. Yes,

(01:43):
we found out he did a seven percent cocaine solution
but not.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Too much cocaine.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I just like that it was in there, but
in a way that felt very like prescriptions, like well
only seven percent me come on solution directly into my veins.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
But anyway, here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
It is Tuesday, May fifth, twenty twenty six for all
you drunk Americans. Probably got your weird sombreros on and
culturally insensitive garments. Single to Mia, I'm like, isn't this
like Independence Day? No it is not, but it's also
National Hagy Day. Shout out all my Philadelphians out there.

(02:20):
They going to shuahwah for Hagi it's also in Japan
it's Kodomo, which is Children's Day. It's hug a shed
and take a selfie Day. Don't even know what that means. Yeah,
Museum Lover's Day, love a museum, National Astronaut Day, love that.
Love a concert too. It's National Concert Day and National
Cartoonist Day. There are many more other holidays that I

(02:42):
could go over, but you know what, I think I'll
tap out at seven today.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
A lot that's a lot of dog and then broad.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, my name is Miles Gray aka Black and these
experimental artist Yo Boy Kusama who just got back from
the homeland in Japan.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I gotta say I.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Love the culture out there. Love the culture in Japan.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
I love the people, you know, I love the sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
How's how's the yen?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh the end that exchange right bro, It's like my
bench press numbers week week right now.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's it's listen, there's it's it's hard to balance, like
where where it becomes exploitative.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
But yeah, I've heard, Oh no, it's wild like being there,
like you know, growing up between Japan and America. Like
I've really seen a shift from like a place where
some tourists came to to now like every American person
there is buying a bunch of Ony Tuka Tiger ACEX
shoes because they're so cheap there, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Like, okay, just take off with your kids.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Anyway, I'm thrilled to be joined by my guest co
host today, wonderful writer, comedian boxer. I know, I know
you don't talk about your your your pugilistic skills.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
But I know you.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I've seen you throw, I've seen.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Can I tell you?

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I just this weekend was cleaning out my apartment and
I was like, I think my fighting days are past.
I am actively away a pair of or a bunch
of ju jitsu GI's and a pretty nice set of boxing.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
You're out of the JITs, mom my. I think my
my knee and my.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Ankle are permanently Yes, I get it dead well, Well,
it's good to have you.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's Andrew T cyclist. I'm I'm the exercise bike I play.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Oh you really are middle aged now?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I'm playing poker on my iPad.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
These you're taking pictures with your iPad in public events?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Can I just tell you all the akas I got submitted.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
We're about Jack peeing his pants, So okay, no, I'm
keeping it clean, keeping clean, keep it respect well, you should.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Keep it clean today, Andrew, because we have a fantastic guest,
and I would say distinguished guest I call. At first,
I was like, oh, man, which is just a fantastic
podcaster you might know from the Unruly Subjects podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
But then you go a little bit deeper and you're.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Like, hold on, oh whoa, whoa, get out the dance
hall siren also an associate professor at NYU of journalis okay,
a fantastic human beings. Someone also has uh the Empire
City podcast, which I've heard of that that that was
up for some awards if I recall correctly. But please

(05:12):
to us, just a humble, humble intellect. Please welcome to
the microphone, our guest today.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Change your right you, thank you, thank you very much,
thank you. I come with loud sound effects just to
let you that's nice. You gotta have your own sound
Hell yeah, man, look, I much respect, you know what
I mean to the Zeitgeist team, Like y'all, y'all, y'all
are just you know, y'all, y'all are one of the
ones when it comes to this, And I'm honored to
be here with y'all. And by the way, I'm happy

(05:38):
that you said you wanted to make sure that it
was it was serious and clean. Clean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
One thing I cannot abide is podcasting that is not clean. Yeah, right, right, right, yeah, exactly. Oh,
change your eye.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
It must be your first time listening, because it's about
to go the funk off in here.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Executive.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But yeah, really good to have you, unruly subjects. I
did a little little research on you. You you seem to
have come from a tradition of unrulingness, of civil disobedience,
of fighting the good fight. Well what can you just
give us a little bit about the podcast and and
sort of what brought you to it and and also
like your very relevant background.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah yeah, well thank you. I mean, you know I
had made you know, most of the podcasts I make,
like Empire City is they're historical, right, so they're like
these long, deep dive, very highly produced, you know, kind
of going to the going to the wilderness and come
back with a long project. So Empire City was our
eight part limited series about the history of the NYPD.

(06:40):
As you mentioned, you know, we were fortunate to win
a lot of awards and you know, all those kind
of things. And then I had made Uncivil that was
one of the first ones most people heard from me.
That's like a people's history of the Civil War. I
did that at Gimblet Media with Jack hit And then
I also did the podcast called podcast called Seeing White,
which has and you know, uh, this was like it's
the history of whiteness, and that was really led by

(07:02):
my friend John Beewen. But but then I was like,
you know, I kind of want to be able to
I want to be like y'all, I want to be
able to weigh in, as you know, fashion is destroying
our world in real time. And also I wanted to
be able to do some fun stuff because I don't
know about you, but I just know there's a lot
of people who you know, maybe you know, there might
be people who are already thinking about politics and organizing

(07:24):
and making the world better, or they might be people
who want an entry point, right. And but also it's
like at six o'clock, if you're like me, your brain
is fried and I can only listen to things if
I can maybe do other things while I'm doing it,
and where it's a little fun and where we're also
going to talk about, you know, how to how to
what's the best ice cream in New York, or like

(07:44):
how to make shataki mushrooms, which is something I really
want to learn. Cool, So we have so we've been
doing it and we have incredible mushrooms. Tell you I'll talk.
I feel like I'm taking all the all the advice
now just while saying, you know, we have some incredible episodes. Recently,
I somehow persuaded one of the head leaders of the

(08:05):
sort of international director of the South Korean trade unions
to tell me how they got a president or you know,
how they rescinded martial law and got the president impeached
and arrested. And I was like, you do that? We
might even know that?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So justin just out of curiosity, not
about anything, but you how did you do?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
How did you do it? I couldn't believe you talked to
me because it was like I never felt I just
feel so silly sending these emails. I'm like, Hi, you're
like the leader of a big umbrella trade union and
I'm a podcaster and if.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
You talk to me, but she did, Hey, look, it's amazing.
If the newspapers are correct. You know, the twenty twenty
four election was all because of podcasts and nothing else.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
What's what's a great scapegoat?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I love that it was simultaneous, like all right, big
up the podcast, but I was like, it wasn't just
because of the podcast. Maybe that it could have been
your platforms, but.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I mean the fact that, you know, sir, and podcasters
are like the focus of the conversation this year. It's like,
y'all really ain't got no gay man, y'all out yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh man, Well we are going to get to know
you even better. But first change, right, We're gonna let
the people know what we're going to be talking about today.
The Onion, you know, officially took over info Wars, and
there was a big, big plastic cup send off that
Alex Jones had for their like last broadcast as it

(09:28):
went into obscurity. And then The Onion with Tim Heidecker
came out with their sort of you know, their new
updated version of Info Wars, although it's already hit a
legal snag because if anything, Alex Jones is the king
of just appeals and trying to you know, trying to
I guess what's the word, I'm looking it out. Yeah,

(09:48):
dragging out the inevitable.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
But he's not the king of winning.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
The thing about getting dragged is it does mess up
your clothing and eventually gets down to your skin, and
then you will be scuffed and harmed. Then we're going
to talk about the Democratic Party's best friend, the Overton Window,
because there was just a fantastic clip of the DNC
chair Ken Martin talking to John Favreau of Crooked Media
last week about the official party post mortem report on

(10:14):
the twenty twenty four presidential election and what exactly went wrong.
And I feel like a lot of us don't need
a consultant generated analysis to know what went wrong. But hey,
if that's what some people need, fine, But the answer
is Ken Martin gave. I was like, see, this is
exactly what my fear was going into this year, is
that it's being served up to you on a plate

(10:37):
and you're still going to find a way to do
just to fuck it all up. So we'll talk about that.
We'll also talk about Russell Brand. You know, right now
he's currently grifting as a Christian as he is dealing
with sexual assault allegations and is on trial and I
just got to point out, you know the thing about grifting.
Being a Christian grifter, you gotta know at least a

(10:58):
couple Bible verses. I mean you to be like, don't
say you like Wu Tang and you can't name one.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Song you know what I mean? Oh, you like Wu
Tang was your favorite song?

Speaker 5 (11:09):
You know?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let me look, Let me look really, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, let me look. Thirty six chambered, Oh my god,
what the fuck? Okay, so we'll talk about that. He'd
had a really hard moment trying to just pick out
any Bible verse that was relevant to him.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Name a Bible word. It's a big it's a big book, guys.
Nail it down. Let's let's you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, And I have I have I have to. I
have to acknowledge my own privilege. I went to Lutheran
school and Catholic high school, so I was inundated with
Bible talk. That now we now off the cuff. I
can I'll regurgitate a Bible verse if I have to,
and I can drift, you know what I mean, because
I know about that.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
If you're a right wing grifter, though, at least get
better at crowd work. He doesn't need to have it,
but he does need to be able to vamp better.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, that is. That was the crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I wouldn't even fill some dead air. Oh but anyway,
we'll talk about that. We might even get to the
fact that thermoses like the thing that we used to
put our luncheon, are exploding and blinding people because I'm
gonna guess it was because of some credit kind of
corporate greed where they didn't put a safety feature in. Well, yeah,
they're exploding, Yeah, because of the gas build up.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I thought it was just the gas, the thing that
we always we just drink and filled. Oh yeah, yeah,
pass out. I didn't realize that explosion.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
No, no, it's it's causing a high pressure canister that
is has unfortunately blinded some people.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Like most of capitalism.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
We just brought the ieeds into our own house, right,
right exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
We paid money for it, right and we got it
at Walmart. But before we do that, Tenja Rye, we
like to ask our guests, what's something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are, what you're into
right now?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, uh, you know, listen, I've lived a strange life
and uh if you google. Well, this is, like you said,
my search history, because I was thinking, if you google,
for example, Spooks and Lawrence Fishburn, you may you may
find that I was once in a strange and wonderful
hip hop group kind of randomly persuaded Lawrence Fishburn to

(13:13):
be in our video. Oh oh, I like, I like
a very not subtle self promotion about it. I mean,
I mean, I'm this, It's not I mean, look, yeah,
I stand by the Spooks, but I am not out here,
like please go listen. First of all, I don't own
any of that. I don't even know where nobody goes.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Did you have an MC name or were you coming
out there?

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah? By my MC name? Is this this part is
a little embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I'm looking at the Wikipedia, so do Yeah it was
hypno you were y yeah before the drink.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I got to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, give of course,
of course, you know, because it was even worse. It
was even worse. It was even cornier than naming yourself
after the drink. Yeah, of course it was. I fashioned
myself this kind of wicked hypnotist. I like that hip hop.
This is this is the kind of bravery in Vouldurville
that we're looking for.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, this is very very yeah, and I shouldn't talk.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was in a rap group with Shilah buff Okay
in high school.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
We were called the Element Crew.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
It was me and a bunch of kids I knew
from the valley who were also child actors on the
Disney Channel.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Bro, that's some googling to do, right, Yeah. Yeah, there's
some stuff on SoundCloud. If you can find it, you
might find this. His rap name was RAPI. I just
went by Miles because I didn't really I had a
graffiti name at the time. It was Prime, but with
the number one instead of an I.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Didn't that felt a little too backpacker for me at
the time. I was like, let's be real, I'm a
I'm a private school kid. I'll just be Miles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, that was that was my thing too. I mean
I didn't have you know, I mean, there's sometimes where
I think the vibes sound like I was trying to
be gangster, but it was clear that was the other thing.
The other thing was that there was other guys in
my actual street credibility, right, There's no way I could
do Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
We had no street credibility. And I was talking about
flipping bricks of cocaine and I was seventeen years old, okay,
and I was writing it in physics, like honors physics.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
If I could, if I could just pitch you guys
starting a podcast just called like Second Tier Unks or
some some version or that.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right now, I'm fucking ready, I'm into it. Yeah, oh man,
a second Tier on it happens.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I mean that that was a beautiful time and also
especially because what you guys I'm reading this started out
in Philly, so kind of you guys had some competition,
you know, No.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Philly was like you know, but yeah, I mean Philly
was like, you know, I think I heard think, I
think Jada because it was like in Philly is more
rappers than people, you know, but you know we but yeah,
but we also you know, we had like the weirdest
kind of fame because we saw it did okay here
and like the adult contemporary market because we had our
secret things. We had a really good singer in the

(15:54):
group who was right, and then we like what we
kind of went we went gold and like it was
a weird and we went gold in Belgium. But you
only need like five thousand albums to go gold in Belgium.
That's great. People. So people would be like, well, that's
only five thousand. I'm like, yeo, man, let a brother
live man. Yeah, Technotronic was from Belgium and y'all bang
with that. Come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
That was just they're just like, who's the one black
person we know who kind of can sound like a rapper?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
To'll be on this.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Song pump up the jam pumpy. You're like, hold one,
where is that person from a little.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Like podcast is off to a good start.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Also, I didn't really I'm reading this true.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
This your track things I've seen was the intro for
the European version of the TV show Dark Angel.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
You know that is true that I think that that's true.
You know I remember seeing uh that on our paltry.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Vehicle Angel.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Wow. But you know what, it wasn't the soundtrack for
what even though we got gold album in the UK.
The UK show that premiered shortly after that called Spooks
for You. Oh yeah, right there. I was like, come on, man,
it's right there. It's no you know, speech from Arrested Development,
you know, speech he successfully sued, you know, for some

(17:20):
royalties about the name because he argued his name put
that idea out into the But I talked to Speech
and I was like, Speech, so come on, can we
do the same thing. He was like, yeah, no, yalling events,
spooks dog Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, you're referencing something okay. And maybe that's why the
BBC was like, is it okay that this group is
called spooks and we don't.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Maybe we'll just put Technotronic as the theme song tender right.
What's something you think is underrated?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well, it depends on which way you want to go.
If you want to talk qualities, if you want to
talk pop culture, I would say the show, and or
which is I'm making the courageous choice to say to
make a big Disney blockbuster show. It's underrated. But politically,
in terms of its analysis, the show is just so sharp.
But in terms of other things, I just think, like

(18:08):
genuine curiosity. I know this is corny, but I feel
like we have a kind of I feel like the
model for having political discussions in our culture, and discussion
is like debate. That's why certain people who may or
may not have been assassinated could be held up as
like the examples of critical thinking, right, And it's like
to me, you know, I think that the you know

(18:30):
you think about a debate, here's one thing you're never
going to do in a debate admit that you were wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, oh, I didn't know that. Thank you for putting
me onto that, except.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
That every conversation that's a real conversation you have to
you should be going into it with the hope that
you're going to figure something that you want to shift.
And so to me, like, I just think like genuine curiosity.
I mean, I'm a nerd like that. That's part of
why I went ahead and went, you know, to school,
and why I read, and where I want to be
around smart people like you, Like I've basically crafted my
whole life to be around people like yourself, who I

(19:00):
feel are smarter than me, at least in certain areas.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
And I just yeah, he said at least certain areas.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
There's a lot I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, So I like, I, you know, yes, corny, but
I think curiosity is underrated.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well it's true because yeah, every every quote unquote debate
is basically like a rap battle, you know what I mean, Like,
in the same way you're not training bars and someone goes,
oh you got me there, man does sink you're right,
you're right, you're right, we are looking at you.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I've seen this. I don't know if it's probably unfair
to Canadians to say that the genre of compliment battle
reps started in Canada. Maybe that's stereotyping Canadians unfair, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I feel like it's just so they'd be like, I'd
rather compliment the guy, you know, just I don't know
enough about him to tear him down.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I really like you see these things, these compliment battles
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, yeah, there's I've seen the comedy versions like there's
bo Straddle like our friend Kyle Ayers host one like
that that are more like they aren't as, they aren't lyrical, though,
I would like to see somebody really.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, they got the full on balls, like like
if you it's like if you had it turned down
when you couldn't make out the words you were thinking.
They're talking about guns, right.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like man, Yeah, political discourse is not great, che right,
what is something you think is overrated?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Uh? That one is pretty uh straightforward for me. I
think I'm gonna say I'm liberal pundits and by this,
by this category, I mean, you know, you know, people
like Ezra Cline. I think there are lots of smart
people who write for the Atlantic, But many of the
commentary essays I see in places like Atlantic like this whole,

(20:55):
this whole. Yeah, I'm like. And the reason why I
think this really bothers me is because all my life
these people have stood up like they were the adults
in the room, like everybody else was didn't was uninformed.
And what I think we've seen, especially over the last
three years, is like, oh, y'all, actually to me as
I've gotten educated, because you know, during that period, while
I was watching these people take up all the air

(21:16):
in the room and pretend like they're the adults, I
was also getting educated. I was getting my degree, I
became an I'm a, by the way, a national council
member of the AUP, the American Association of University Professors.
So I have a lot and and you start realizing,
you start listening to their arguments, and you're like, oh,
y'all actually don't even have the range. Y'all don't have
the intellectual range. If you watch Ezra Kline's interviews with

(21:38):
TANNAHISEI Cooch what you see as a person who a
doesn't have the intellectual range but also doesn't have the
character to admit that you getting you're getting, you're getting
washed right now. Yeah, it's a rap battle. What's he
supposed to do? Yeah? So I think these so maybe
it's obvious to like people who are in this community
and they're just like, yeah, whatever, But I think that
these people still hold they still yeah, man, influence. I'm like,

(22:04):
why who's listening to these folks? Man? A lot of people? Yeah,
I mean, but it's also like that class.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
There hasn't been a consequence for being wrong for my
lifetime and I'm fucking old now. Like you know, all
these people after nine to eleven were saying wild ridiculous shit.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
About Iraq, and they no one lost their job, no one,
no one. Man. Yeah, they get promote the opposite, They
get promoted, Like would you like a column?

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, you know what, that'd be great, Like you just
needn't get their face and be like, yeah, but you
don't know what you're talking about, and you haven't for
twenty five years, you haven't.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Do you have a nebulous definition of genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Right? Great? Great, yeah, right, we love that. Yet we're
looking for that exactly, just want someone.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's like it's like if someone asks you, you got
to act like it's so amorphous and abstract and difficult.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's just such a difficult, it's so complex. Yeah, what
can we do? What can be done?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Well? I know this is maybe like a less risky
answer to what's overrated than like, but in the market
hill Mark on my Hill says Mac and cheese. I'm
not going there, right, I'm not going I'm not don't
want that smoke people. I think mac and cheese is delightful.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fantastic, rated correctly, I think I think
we should all.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Agree I rate that correctly. Mark, you know you my man,
I'm not going there with you, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not all mac and cheese is good, let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Exactly, But the category I feel like correctly correctly rated. Yeah,
I mean, it's like one of those things because there
can be so much nonsense within it. It's hard to
say the shitty mac and cheese aren't sucking it up
for the good mac and cheese.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
And then it gets sticky you know.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Were you were you here when I went on my
insane thing about how I've been putting. I've been making
soft like like cheese sauce with sodium citrate.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because you're trying to make that
viral burger.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You don't know. I'm not.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm just worse than can I hear about this really
quick check off course, But the quickest version of this
is sodium citrate is basically the chemical. You could buy
it in most food like fancy foods ors ma can
buy it online very easily. That the shorthand is it's
the chemical that turns cheese into cheese with the Z.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
And so you put cheese sub liquid.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
I used stock, I used, I've used a beer before,
a little bit of sodium citrate and like shredded cheese
turns into a cheese whiz. But you can use any
bass cheese. It's so good. Sorry, this is man. You
activated me.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
I might try this, but I don't know if I
can tell anybody, then I'm going to try. No.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
No, you get some sodium citrate. It's it's hilarious. It
just like arrives in like a you know a bag
of white powder and.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Cooking.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
No, but I've I eat with Andrew h from time
to time, and he he doesn't miss with his cooking
and his like food.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So you.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Andrew.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Andrew pretty good about it. I feel pretty good about it.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
What did you make for the Oscar? What was the
thing that you made that was so dumb?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
All right? It was?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
It was our friend Demia Dejuebay does like an Oscar
pun party, and it was just a layoff right there.
I can't believe more people didn't take it. But I
made a ham net. Oh that's right, Wow, you wove together?
Was it proshudo or harmony vedico?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I was that kind of bundy. I just made. I
twisted thin ropes of prosudo and wove a net like
I like to. I like to bake a little bit.
But you gotta be careful, man, because you know I
can bake, and because I sort of was able to, like,
you know, amaze my family and impress them I make.
I'm I got the mistake that I'm a real baker.

(25:39):
And until I was pulled out at a couple of parties,
I like put out a couple of my pictures and
my little pies and then people start pulling out their
bacon I gs and oh yeah, you know it's heavy
backer rooms. I'm like, I don't. Okay, yeah, I'm not
a baker name exactly right. They're like, oh you like
to bake.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You're like, oh, not like this. Now come on, now.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
We can school you from Court on Blue over here
man four years on the second. Okay, we are going
to take a break, and when we come back, some news.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And we're back.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
So I'm sure people on the internet got to see
Tim Heidecker unveiling his version of Info Wars with the Onion,
just saying all kinds of fun stuff like how he
he was saying that He's like, you just send in your.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Piss and we'll be able to take the gold out
of it. Just you know, doing his thing.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Then there was a he did a cheers where they
drank the blood of the Forsaken. It just felt very
like a great send up of the of Peek Alex Jones.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
This thing has given me pure joy watching to play out.
I'm like, oh, yeah, just the best thing.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Man. I'm just and I wish I could see like
a camera angle of people who have not really kept
up and like, let me go on.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Info warr here.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's spitting out there whatever they're
drinking as they see what the or they might not
even notice, and like.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Oh, this new guy's pretty good. That we need that view.
That's that's the reaction videos I need right exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
People go because now the website is down because the
court appointed receiver no longer is paying the bills. So
that led Alex Jones to do a farewell toast. Really
it's bittersweet. I don't want to hear his voice, but
I love hearing him be like, oh.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Wow, this is it folks to see I an FBI,
they got me here.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
He is on his farewell broadcast, the last one of
Info Wars ever, while also promoting the Alex Jones store
dot com.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I've never bloff folks.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
If you know what we had, the whistleblowers, the documents,
we have royal flushes.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
They are screwed to the moon.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So just you know, as he's ranting, a bunch of
his employees are in the background holding glasses, thinking that
they're going to be cheersing, but instead their bosses doing
some kind of manic conspiracy.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Ran Glory goes to Jesus Christ and our heavely Father,
the leads guys that direct us. We are commit ourselves
to God here this holy fight, and we are committed
in a God's stand.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay, let's go ahead fight.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
I salute this crew and all the viewers and listeners
to this fight, and I commit myself to Jesus Christ's hands.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
And what are you doubting?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Vodka go? That's why you got to get the script
before you raise your glass. You don't know what you're
about to co sign. Ye.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, he has so many papers on that desk.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So unfortunately, you know, there he managed to pull off
another delay tactic because there's an appeals court decided that
the quote court appointed receiver no longer has control over
the website assets that the Onion would be licensing, and
that that came just before the hearing that was going

(28:58):
to finalize that deal.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
So now the can hath been kicked down the.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Road until May twenty eighth, when there will be another
hearing about this. But again it just feels like it's
good luck, good luck. But what's done is done, sir,
And yeah, this is all again Alex Jones trying to
keep the lights on as long as he can, but
in terms of the physical space, that's gone because that
Courtau pointed receiver is not paying the Info Wars rent

(29:26):
as he even said that apparently costs eighty one thousand
dollars a month. While wow, that sounds like a space
in LA, like a production facility in LA. There's no way,
I'm sorry, Wars like you don't got it like that.
I don't know what the fuck is in this place
for eighty one thousand dollars and unless you're just you're
doing that for the numbers. But anyway, the website dead.

(29:49):
And again that was a snippet from the last official
info Wars where they told Jesus Christ with their plastic cups.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Very very very fun weird.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, but that hasn't stopped Heideker from doing his thing,
because again he posted his first taste of what the
real onion version of the info World Info Wars World
will look like, and it looks like it's gonna be
pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Long may that last.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
But I like that they also use like the rainbow
flag colors on the thing, just to further, just to
incense the lovers of info Wars.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
To be like, oh, I hate seeing a spectrum of
color in an intentional way.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
It makes me.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, okay, so let's's voice.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
God, yeah, it was terrible.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I feel like because I whenever I try and do
gravelly voice stuff for fun or like a bit or whatever,
I'm glad I'm only doing it for two minutes, and
then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh fuck, that's that. Ain't gonna hold up that, ain't
gonna hold up too long like this. I'll tell you what.
It's just, it's pretty good. It's good.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
I've been watching a lot of Info Wars ched you ride, yeah,
and we got we got Chender Riot Kumunika on today.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
He's a social professor n YU journalism.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
I'm gonna tell us all about why journalism been compromised
by the globalists right after this.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
So here's yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Look, it's it's not hard to do.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I feel like most people have grown up hearing some
version of a man talks like this, So it's not
like a case study. I'm just I'm drawing on all
the gravelly white man voices I've heard in my life.
But cadence though quite good. Look I'm a musician, yeah,
I'm a comedian. It's all about timing, baby, Yeah, you know,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
What debating whether you need to you know, I'm over
here wondering whether you need to pull this into your
repertoire a little bit more for certain topics. Maybe I
might have to. I might have to, and I might
have to bring it up here because the Democrats.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
The Democrats got the midterms on a basement silver platter,
hated down with them for Jesus Christ, Okay, and they
are doing nothing but affwarding God's intent with the way
they are running their campaign in twenty twenty six, I
gotta say so the Democrats, Right, I don't even Maybe
I should just keep doing Alex shows twenty twenty four, Right,

(32:07):
there were many lessons for Democrats, for Democrats, for the DNC,
not for both people who have eyes, ears of brain
and a common sense of empathy, all kinds of all
kinds of lessons to be learned if they would actually
reckon with them.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know, what was it in twenty twenty four? Was
it the throwing of trans people under the bus? Was
it turning their backs on immigrants? Was it them ignoring
the genocide and gaza? Was it them acting like greedflation
wasn't a thing? Was it them trying to court Republicans
to offset their lack of progressive appeal?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Was was it so many that again I didn't see
the report. That's just me saying things.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
As a frustrated onlooker during that entire campaign.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
But anyway, the lesson here is that I think most
of us, like I said up top, we don't need
a consultant generated analysis of the election to have some
pretty solid eye deals on how to course correct, not
just for twenty twenty six, but for twenty twenty eight
when you know the table's fully reset. I just want
to play this clip of the DNC chair Ken Martin

(33:10):
talking to John Favreau last week about again, the DNC said,
we have an official report, an analysis of the election
that we've come to see what the weaknesses were, what,
you know, what we learned, what we could have done better.
And yet he said when he was vying for this
position that this report would be released. We still have

(33:32):
not seen it. It still has not been publicly released.
And he was asked about this, and his answer is hunting,
because I just I've never seen someone heimon haw so
much when the thing is like, what happened to that
report that you guys made that is supposed to come out,
that's supposed to tell us about what happened in what
we thought was a very winnable election.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
But here's here's Ken Martin of the DNC different. Your
exact quote was, of course it will be released. Why
did you change your mind on that?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Well, look, I mean what I said all along, even
when I ran for this position, is that we were
going to focus on the things that will help us
win the upcoming election, right, making sure that we learned
the right lessons that could help inform our victories. And
that's what we've done. We said this when we sent
out the press release back in November, saying we weren't

(34:22):
going to release the report, which actually.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Keep so we learned the lesson when we said we
weren't going to publicly learn the lesson. He says the
word lessons so much. I just want to keep our
focus on those lessons, honestly release those lessons.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
We continue to do that, and it's important for me
instead of navel gazing and looking backwards and trying to
re litigate twenty twenty four. I don't know about you, John,
but I don't have a time machine. I don't think
you do. No one does, so we can't change what
happened in twenty four What a.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Fucking are we talking about a report to try to
understand what happened in that lesson?

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Though?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, isn't that the topic?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Isn't that why he has Yeah, we have learned the lessons.
The lessons have been learned.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, right, listen, It's like we all said, those who
forget history don't have a time machine, so don't.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Worry about yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I've always heard.
Yeah yeah, those who yeah, repeat it.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
It's clear they didn't have a time machine and that's
their problem, and that's your problem, is you don't have
a time machine. Uh, John Fabreau press him a little
bit more, is like like basically, what the are you
even talking about?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Which is, by the way, wild, Yeah, if you're heavy,
if you're a Democrat, like a high level democrat, and
you do you get job Favreau pushing back on your ass, that.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Means you truly right fucked up exactly. Like it's like
it's not even palatable for crookd Like here here we go.
This is him again saying like but you did hold well,
what do you mean, Ken Martin we.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
Have to do it to give people who invested so
much time, energy and money a sense of what happened
and why we lost, especially why we lost so what
changed between August and December? I understand there are lessons,
but those who are not the full report? Why not
release the full report? What's in the report that you
wouldn't want?

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, first off, the policize, Yeah, there's no smoking gun
in the report, and I know that's that's what everyone's
so eager to learn. And I think the smoking gun.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Guess what? John?

Speaker 8 (36:10):
But but if there's no smoking gun, why wouldn't you
just release that though?

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Because we want to keep the focus on the lessons?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Damn? What the what the lessons?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
So I'm sorry, motherfucker. Where are the lessons?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's the key thing that's Do you have a list
of about Okay, sorry, maybe I'm saying that's wrong. Do
you have a list of lessons that we can look at? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Well, because what you're gonna say? What are you going
to say?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Like insisting, he says, he goes on like this goes
on for like fifteen minutes in this episode, where he
keeps going like, well, I know you're gonna try and
get me to say there's some smoking gun, but insisting
there's no smoking gun is a great way to confirm
the existence of said smoking gun. And why it felt
like he really didn't want to mention a few things

(36:57):
like maybe Gaza okay, because the funny thing about that
is there are people who have seen the report and
there is a significant portion dedicated to how ignoring the
genocide was a quantifiable net negative to the Harris campaign,
amongst many other lessons, because the whole, the whole report
wasn't just that that was one of that was one

(37:19):
of the lessons Ken That was a lesson. But I
guess we don't want to learn that publicly or admit
that publicly, because you can tell right now, especially after
that loss, Like the first sort of instinct of the
DNC was like, it's the groups. It's the groups. By
that they mean activist groups, people who are like progressives,
other people who are like you guys aren't doing enough progressive.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
It's like left of Dick Cheney, Like what the hell
at this point? Right, yeah, that's all progressive. I mean
I just feel like, you know, I mean, I don't
want to see the people who are currently in power
and the Democrats being the part of our society has control.
I'd rather see much more progressive forces, people who have
the kind of understanding to speak to issues like my

(38:02):
current mayor. But let me just say like, but I
gotta say, like, it's amazing that these folks have watched
what's going on and can't even figure out how to
how to do something like this or just take any
of the lessons, because if you look at how things
are are are moving, there was such an opportunity for

(38:23):
them to just peel off even like low hanging fruit,
to try anything. And it's just doesn't seem like they've
learned even one lesson.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, I mean, and I think it goes back to
that structural lead.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
This party as constituted is incapable of actually perceiving those
lessons because that would actually require them like a self dismantling.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
That's right, and fully so because of that, of course.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
You can't because it's like, man, I don't know, I'm
a snail, why I'm going to read about salt?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, That's.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Exactly that I mean. This is I mean, now, what
I would say is at the Party as a sort
of national force, when you look at the local you know,
elect and things. It's interesting to sort of tease out
how we want to talk about Democrats in places where
there's different options. But as an organization absolutely, And that's
what so hard I think to grapple with is that

(39:11):
even when people keep framing the conversation, well, what Democrats
need to do, and it's like, no, actually, this organization,
if they did what they needed to do, like you said,
they would be able to be distructing.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, people like Ken Martin would not be chair, that's
for sure.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I mean because like you know, the the Democrats were
gifted and even more fucked up version of this Trump
administration where you know, they truly believe now more than
ever that they really don't have to change their approach
because the time honored strategy of merely gesturing to the
right and saying, well, then there's that.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
So I don't know if you want that right, and
that's my campaign to go boo, there's a Republican. But
what I think the folks are really missing is that
people get apathetic and burnt out and it won't and
they won't show up, you know, And I mean that
actually happened. That's one of the lessons you should learnt
is a ton of people didn't didn't show up. Now,

(40:02):
I don't always characterize those people as like on the
couch because I think I wrote people say people didn't
get off the couch, and I'm like, I don't like
the couch metaphor because the work there at work exactly
there and then and also or they're like deeply disillusioned,
you know, by shit like this spectacle, and I just think,
you know, so, like, yeah, I think, and what people

(40:25):
understand is that in a way, that's that's that I
think in a way works works in conservatives favor, right,
when the people just stay home and people and if
you give people that and you continue to roll out
this as what you're rolling out as inspiration, then people
there aren't gonna be people who gonna stay home. I mean,
I'm going to try it as much as I as
much as I hate these people, I will get up

(40:46):
and try to drag people to the part. I would
do everything I can do. Yeah, but yeah, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, I mean this is the interesting thing though, too,
Like when you pull voters right, it's not great for
democrats because people still look at Democrats and go that's
kind of like a rotting corpse that's not doing anything.
Republicans are leading by like a ten point margin that
they basically that they are quote willing to fight for
what they believe in or plus four, like they have

(41:12):
a four point advantage of that because most people are like,
I don't know, they're crazy, but they they're getting at it.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, they're they're doing the thing.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
And then on top of that, right, is this other
thing that I think is really interesting, This from the
Guardian quote A staggering seventy seven percent of Americans believe
the country's political system is in need of either major
changes or complete reform. According to a recent PEU survey,
fifty nine percent of voters believe the country's political and
economic systems are fundamentally stacked against them. Like, yeah, you're

(41:40):
looking at that, and the thing is an incremental change.
They're saying, you can capture this huge group if you
actually put something out there that's more than like, we.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Got it, we got it. We gotta stop Trump.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I mean, yeah, we do need to stop Trump, and
we do need to stop the threat that his administration poses.
But the thing also that people are yearning for is
a vision of a different America, not the one where
you're going to continue to say, yeah, having three jobs
is fine, barely being able to see your kids as
you try to survive under this you know, capitalistic system
we have. That's okay, that's not what they're people are

(42:14):
yearning for. Some just offer something different.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
And again.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I don't know how much they can offer that's different
if they're they're playing Heidi Heidi hole with their little
report that would have told them ship, we need to
really need a real robust, like populist economic agenda that
appeals to working people. And I think maybe they're just
going to like, let's just use like working class code words.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
And it's also like like.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
What when would voters say like or when polled people
who are polled say like, oh, we don't think Democrats
will fight for what they believe in. I think the
evidence is they are fighting for ye, it's just that
that's what they believe in. Is this incrementalism yeah or less?

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah? I mean this is this is kind of like,
you know it It reminds me of the frame that
the thing about you know police, you know, I made
Empire City and people are like, oh, you know, we
have to you know you know, why can't we get
the police to do their job? And it's like, well,
it is you job. I want to give you a
historical take over the police's job. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let's
go all the way back, just so we know how

(43:12):
this started exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, well, uh there's still time Democrats maybe, Uh, I
don't know. I think that's why it's interesting to see
like a lot of people just now like they're they're
not really caring what the sort of prescriptive sort of
directives are from the DNC, and or it's like, no,
this is what I'm running on because I actually know

(43:35):
poor people.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
None of these people Ken Martin doesn't know a single
person who is down and out or struggling.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
To make ends. It's just not They probably probably got
plenty of employees.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I was gonna say that, You're right, I was saying,
aside from the people in his employ maybe you know
what I will.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Soon with, you know, I mean this AI blood bath.
You know what I mean, it's a lot of it's
a lot of tech, it's a lot of it's a
lot of former tech engineers, Like yeah, you know what
I mean. They hidden hitting the food line, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
What I mean this is and I think that's just
generally too, Like there's no sense of urgency because they
don't talk to like.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Working people every ding, right, you're not around you, you're
not talking to you know, so you don't.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Feel that you're not feeling you don't feel that stressed
because you're insulated from it socioeconomically, and because of that,
it completely tints the way you look at what you
think is happening in the country and completely not understanding
that a majority of people are actually not comfortable.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And I should actually say, like, you know, when it
comes to people, you know, I do a lot of
political organizing, and I think organizers, most of organizers I
know are far better at that because they are working
on different campaigns, they're in contact with people in hearing glievances.
But there is sometimes a portion of our movement where
people are in our own kinds of bubbles, and even

(44:50):
we might not understand how people, you know, the disillusionment, right,
they cause somebody in certain ways, and so I think,
like we all have to break out of I mean,
I think, on one hand, yeah, these they don't care,
they're not that's what they're doing. But for us, even me,
Like I challenged myself to make sure you know that
sort of like university life and podcasting life and you
know whatever, doesn't put me in a bubble where you

(45:12):
don't understand how people you know what I'm saying and stuff. Yeah,
all I go, actually I have to do is go
to a family cookout and I get it real quick.
You know, same, same, same, yeah that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
And just I've opened up my text thread with all
my friends from high school and it's a full spectrum
of existences, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I have people of my friends. Some are professionals.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Some are working at the supermarket because they used to
have a job like at a legal office and then
shit changes, and what other people have jobs in tech
and now they're working at arawon, you know, like serving
up people's forty dollars smoothies and shit like that, and
things can change so rapidly. But anyway, that's America, Ken Martin,
give us the lessons please, I mean, we know what

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they are, but you guys look real foolish by insisting
it's like what we don't need to look back.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
That's how do you learn exactly?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You know what I mean? How do you learn.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Can I just also like for every high profile person, like,
how the fuck are you not ready for this?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I really yes, how are you not ready? Just like
media relations wise, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, well that you think was gonna happen when he
was going when you want to cricket media? Yeah, you
told you we're going to talk about the report a.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Follow up there, you know there would be a follow
up at least.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
And it's like, okay, John, I'm not Doc Brown and
you're not Marty McFly okay, And this DeLorean and going
over eighty or whatever it needs to go, and there
ain't a banan appeal back in that mister fusion in
the back okay, I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I got no flex capacitor.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Like like all democrats, his his strategy is I assume
you're stupid, right, and I shall proceed.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, you stupid, and you know what you keet duck
my head and go right through that.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
All right, let's take a break and when we come back,
we're gonna learn a little bit about the Holy Bible
from the one and only Russell Brand.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
After and we're back. And like I was saying, if
you're gonna grift.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know't know a little bit about the community you're grifting.
You can't just I mean a lot of people just
put the costume on and assume that's enough, and a
lot of time it can be enough. But again, like
Ken Martin, you should expect a follow up or two
and I'll just be like, oh, cut to Russell Brand,
who is currently on a rebrand tour slash please ignore

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all the terrible sexual assault allegations against me.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Tour.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
He's gone to visit Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly and any
other like right winger who's willing to pretend that, in
his estimation, he is being canceled actually for speaking out
about the COVID vaccine and not like the actual legal
jeopardy he's facing due to his own alleged actions. He's
been like really framing all of this as like, you

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know what, you know what happens, man, you'd speak out
of it against COVID and then they take everything from
you or they come at you, and it's that has
nothing to do with the court the stuff going on
with me right now. But one consistent thing about Brand
is that I think he is a sniveling little fuck
wad who will do whatever it takes to maintain his status,
which is why it should come as no surprise that

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when the allegations came out and he was having to
go to trial, he suddenly went from atheist to bible
toating Christian, wearing like big ass like hippie wood bead
crosses and always carrying this Bible around with him. And
this is one of those moments where someone you deep
deeply dislike, and Pierce Morgan did a thing where you're like, yeah,

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go on.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Pierce, go on.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Let him just cook himself right now, let him hop
right into his own an air fryer of his own
making and set that thing to four fifty. Because he
went on Piers Morgan's show and Pierce Morgan was like, like,
what's going on? He was just like, what's up with
this Christians up?

Speaker 7 (49:00):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
He's like, I've known you to be an atheist, you know,
like you got a lot of material on that, and
now suddenly you're an atheist and you're bringing a Bible
to your court appearances. It's like something just feels very
insincere about all of this, and I'm just going to
play this part where you know, Russell's like I'm really
a Christian. You have to believe me and ers morning's
all right, bet man, why don't you pop up in

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that book real quick?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Let me hear something? And this does not go well
at all.

Speaker 9 (49:26):
Question about your Bible, yes, if you want turky, that
was not the one you took into call yeah, the
very one.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
What was your thinking of taking it into cool and
what you were seeing looking at some passages?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
What would runners got his hands on the Bible?

Speaker 9 (49:39):
All right, thank you for asking me.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Passages I didn't know, but a little bit. It was
this ion.

Speaker 9 (49:51):
You're right, but they say, you know, be chilled.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
He's just thumbing through this. He's drowning right now. Oh
my god. Oh Pierce is saying nothing, just letting this ship.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Dead air, Brude Violet, this is just you know, this
is playing. It's just Russell Brand hasn't found the Bible
brand in the gallery.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
But remember he just said it's a hard spot. This
is from Isaiah, say a book, give me a book
in chapter baby, I excuse me?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Oh still this is again? That Oh is excruciating.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You know, he's trying to find some words that maybe
say something about woman or man. He's trying to he can't.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Oh oh, he's going through the same pries back and forth.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It says here, he says here, what sir, this is
his first time looking at this ship. He just put
random post its in there to make it look like
he's reading. Looks like the screen, guys, this is I'm
not joking.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
This has been playing.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Continuency still has not found me.

Speaker 9 (51:04):
I was looking at that day.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Uh huh was.

Speaker 9 (51:09):
No, there's an action.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, actually find the verset I had that day.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Oh my god, truly, I can't even go It goes
on longer too. Oh my god, sir, do you even
know what's in the Book of Isaiah?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Oh? This is a this is a good for you
know how to pronounce the book Isaiah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Part of me was like I was willing to be like,
is that a UK thing where it's like, right, Isaiah.
But I was like, I know from being in churches
in the United States of black churts, it's Isaiah. But
the other thing I will say for aspiring Bible rifters,
Proverbs is your best friend, okay, because it's it's right
there in the name of the book. Okay, it's giving

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you little little rules and quotes that you can live
here just if you thumbed through proverbs, you would have
found something.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
I appreciate this.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I appreciate this discouncil because I've often wondered if maybe
I should leave my job as an organizer and become
the start of ministry. Yeah, it just seems like there's
a lot of brand.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, hey Mace did it, and you know he's okay,
he kind of ran into the same problem.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
No, yeah, he was like yeah, look, he like he
was in church. I think he was actually like had
a ministry, which I'm like, whoa Mason Betha. That might
be a little too much dipp on your Bible. But
yeah here, like again, it's just like how do you again?

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I think it speaks to the arrogance of Russell Brand,
where he was like, I merely need to show up
with these totems, these these symbols, and that that will
that will cover me in the blood of Christ as
I face these allegations and go to church and hopefully
try and curry sympathy.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
From your Bible. Yeah, then you could be like I
didn't have it. Yeah, it's just like like I mean,
I guess it's like a fundamental feature of grifters. But
it is like kind of.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Wild how lazy everyone is ya, Like, truly you have
to re memborize like three things.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
You're an actor, dog like, you can't fucking pull this out.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, you could have even done John three sixteen, the
most tired verse of them all, and be like, well,
for god, I love the world so much, idiot, and
I think about that sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Just have it. Yeah, I just I disagree with that.
I disagree with the idea that grift is somebody. Somebody's
grift is a compelling man. You know, he's not talking
to You're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I'm not saying, but he does have like the ability
to command an audience, or he has in the past.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
It is weird, I think because he really was not
never exp like that was his worst nightmare come true.
But yeah, and just for some reason, you're not prepared
for that, Like anybody, if you're conniving like that, you'd
hope they're like, and what happens when the worst nightmare comes?
You be ready, you have a smack bomb, you throw
down and run out of.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
The room or something.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I'm just saying back to back clips from they would
say opposite ends of the political spectrum, and I would
argue the same side of the political spectrum right now.
But the common thread is like, how the fuck do
you not have one person in your camp that asks
you a hard question?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's all right, right, that's the thread between this and
the Ken Martin. It's like your people ain't prepared. I mean,
the night before you make the announcement I'm now, I'm
now a big Christian. Yeah, yeah, it just feels like
that night You're like, yo, all right, all right, somebody
got to be like, yo, how much you know about
the Bible? You're like, not nothing, less than nothing. They're like,
all right, go to Proverbs, memors, two joints. You just

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need to and a woman some about how the man
leads the family. That's that's what you said. Proverbs, that's
right there. Go to Proverbs. That's right there for you.
It's again, it's so easy.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
You could even fucking Ai could have helped you out.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, you know what I mean. You don't go to
Isaiah Mann, find some good ones. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
You can go to the goods.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
You know what i mean. If your witch give up
all your wealth, you know what.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I'm saying exactly exactly he tried. Guys, it's so easy.
And I'm like looking at his like wooden like necklace.
It looks like something he got like a reggae festival,
you know, like from one of the vendors at a
reggae festival, and he's like, almost got the.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Run with fitters.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, he almost got the highly Selassie joint and he
was like, wait, uh no, no, let me get this
Cross is Ethiopien.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Okay, I'm fucking with this.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And then he found like the Bible that was in
his hotel room by the Gideons and was like, okay,
I got this this Okay, now I'm ready to hopefully
distract the public.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Yeah, but you can't make your entire pr campaign like
the same energy of me trying to go out on Halloween.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Just put some shit together. Could I have a question
because I haven't been I haven't followed all this. Now,
one of the things that tapping into the Christian thing
makes available to you is the whole I've fallen from
grace and I need redemption. Did he tap into that bag?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
He's definitely said things about like how he was stupid
and has made mistakes, but nothing that would because again,
there's no way that he could take accountability for you know,
he because you know from the well could.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I mean right now, he could. If you if you,
if you claiming that you are standing on principle right.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Well, that's seed ye, that's yeah, that's the line, right
Because even with the especially the conservative Bible drifters, they're like,
would Jesus actually have done that?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Because I feel like.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Jesus would have really looked out for the poor and
the downtrotten based on the book I've heard about, Jesus'
portfolio is really the most I feel like, yeah, I
feel like, you know, there was some self sacrifice in
there somewhere. Jesus would have definitely taken advantage of a
bear market, you know what I mean? So clear, clear clear, Uh,

(56:36):
well change your eye. Thank you so much for joining
us on the Daily seit Geist. Where can the people
find you? Follow you, take your work in support you
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, come on over to our Unruly Subjects Patreon, Unruly
Subjects podcast dot com. By the way, I'm also in
the leadership of a magazine called Hammer and Hope of
Black Politics and Cultures. To check out Hammer and Hope,
And of course you should go check out Empire City.
I'm on ig has Change your as myself. I'm on
X I don't do much there and I'm on Blue Sky.
So man, so much respect for y'all. I really love.

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I really love what y'all do because it allows me
to stay up on it, on what's happening in the world.
And man, y'all doing a good work. Much respect.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
That's a compliment I can barely process coming from somebody
who is teaching people about journalists.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Thank you for the kind words. Change your Andrew, how
about you?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Also, is there a work of media that you're enjoying?
Change you write that you want to It could be
a social media post to work with media whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Well to to promote one thing that again, well, Hamern
Hope is a magazine of black politics and culture. So
I don't know if the digital reporting counters media, but
that's one. In the podcast world, there's a great podcast
called Our Ancestors Were Messy by Nicole Hill. Everybody should
check that out. It's really dope. And yeah, man, you
know that's that's what I'm standing on right now.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Oh well, thank you for that. Change your eye Andrew
how about you, man, where did the people find you?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Follow you? You're still doing Yo, it's this racist.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
We might be changing things up in a little bit,
but for now, still doing Starter Trek, our premium show
where Tony Newsom and I or Tony really.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Is walking me through Star Trek, some of the weird
ass Star Trek episodes. It's been very fun work a media.
I don't know if you actually saw this when you
were in Japan? Did you have you seen the movie
Exit eight? Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I've played the game. I want to go see the
movie really yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah, it's very good. The movie is very good.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
It's shockingly close to the look of the game's exactly well.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
The game is shockingly close to every Tokyo Metro subway station,
which is why I started playing out of nostalgia, because
I'm like, I feel like this is the Azabu Juban
station in Tokyo right now. I was sharing it with
like my other friend and we obsessed over the game.
So when I saw the trailers, like where did you

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go see it? Because I'm like, I think I have
to go to San Gabriel.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
To go see it.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Probably there's only like nothing on the screening.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
No I know, no, just the distance. Let's go, let's
go something like what you're rough to see it. We'll
just go, we'll get some don okay and whatnot. But
I saw it just at the regular AMC at the
Galleria Dog.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Oh dang, yeah, because I think it's been it's been
out for a minute, so there's like ten thirty am
or ten thirty pm.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
I'm like, I do recommend it. It's also watchable at home.
But it was nice on a big screen. It's it's
a it's a it's a good weird movie. That's it's
it's like off this indie Japanese video game.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I assume the video games Japanese. Actually I guess, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
And it's just like a like a weird, creepy little
time loop thriller ish horror thrillery.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
It's very good.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Okay, you can find me everywhere.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
At Miles of Gray, a work of media, I like, uh,
just well this is at the Onion it said abortion
pill thrown into air and caught in mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
And the photo is what I'm going anyway, that was
my work and me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Also, I was telling Jack on the earlier Trending episode
on Monday that I saw Interstellar for the first time
and I was like, oh, this is what everyone's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Okay, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I finally understood the meme where Matthew McConaughey's in the
chair crying looking at something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I was like, what the fuck is this? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
It all makes sense now I can finally participate in
the Interstellar discourse.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Years after the fact.

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