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In episode 1452, Miles and guest co-host Andrew Ti are joined by writer, TV producer, and host of The War On Cars, Doug Gordon, to discuss… Homeschooling Isn’t A Solution To School Shootings You F**king Ghouls, Case In Point.. A School Administrator in Florida Wrote A $100K Check to “Elon Musk”, AI is being Used in courts? Is this good...?, Who's The Assh*le: Airplane Edition and more!

1. Homeschooling Isn’t A Solution To School Shootings You F**king Ghouls
2. Tennessee Rep. Gives Baffling Answer On How To Protect Kids in School Following Nashville Shooting: ‘We Homeschool’
3. Homeschooling surges as parents seek escape from shootings, violence
4. Tragedies Like The Texas Shooting Make A Somber Case For Homeschooling
5. Uvalde kids go back to the classroom this week. These parents chose other options
6. Homeschooling Isn't the Solution to 390 Million Guns
7. Amid calls to homeschool after school shootings, homeschool alumni group urges caution
8. Case In Point.. A School Administrator in Florida Wrote A $100K Check to “Elon Musk”

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wake up class. The substitute is here and it's time
to welcome you the Internet two, Season two eighty one,
Episode four Up the Daily zeit geis. This is still
a production of iHeartRadio, and it's still a podcast where
we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It
is Thursday, March thirtieth, twenty twenty three. You say what

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national day it is? It's actually National take a Walk
in the Park Day. You know what I mean, Go
out there and get in nature, fucking frolic you know,
I mean it, stop being in the fucking concrete jungle.
Also National Turkey Neck Souper Day. I don't even know.
I didn't even know that was the thing. I just
like saying Turkey Neck, National Doctor's Day, National Virtual Vacation Day.
I'm gonna that better not be some metaverse shit, National

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Pencil Day, and National I Am in Control Day. Shout
out to everybody that walked in the park, including our
very own Becca Ramos, who just had to stunt on
us in the chat saying, yeah, I took a walk
in the party. Okay, great, that's aastic. Well guess what
it's me the place in the place to be, the
GodMc miles g A k A. Jackie left me all alone.

(01:05):
He went on vacation when I got back to the show. Now,
these guests, I saw my new favorite friends. But when
this crofton, I still missed those plumpers plumpers. Okay. Shout
out to Fighter of the Night Man for that jumping
jump in Destiny's Child based AKA thanks. It's been a
while so to be able to sing that. And I'm
thrilled to be joined by my guest co host, who's
a wonderful chef, who's a wonderful comedian, writer, producer. He's

(01:29):
done it all, he's made it all, he's seen it all,
and he's also again I'm gonna keep saying it, he's
got the hands of Tyson. Okay, this thing will break
the internet. I don't even know how to else they're
introduce him, but please welcome Andrew g Yo. What's up?
I didn't have time to come up with a song AKA,
so the best I came up with is aka Kirkland

(01:51):
jack O'Brien hey ka, whack O'Brien heyka, And kind of
feels like they got Randall Park to play jaff for
what nah? Wait, what did you study in college, are
your bio guy. You don't want to we don't want to?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. See in Jack's
the philosophy guy. So it's I like, we got to

(02:11):
switch it up with where people's heads. Yeah, I'm the
I'm the I'm the I'm the nerd. I'm I mean
that's the yesterday. You're like, yo, I could sequence your DNA,
like if you really want me to. I mean I
just feel like, don't, don't do give it to the companies. No,
do this shit yourself. You just need to do. Andrew, Andrew,
I will, I will go in on with like a

(02:32):
PCR machine with you, just to start sequencing all these
people we know in l A's DNA. It's like as
like a weird Twitter thing. How about this if the
writer strike goes more than a month or yeah, because
at that time, every like piece of work I could
pretend to have done, will hawrdy be done and are like, well, right,
I guess we're doing boot like DNA labs. There it is.

(02:54):
And then in the process you're gonna have a wonderful
idea and gonna be yeah, feel it's gonna be a
two dudes sequencing DNA for Undercut twenty three and me.
But then they find a dude with like again like
Laura's boyfriend yesterday who had the unsequenceable DNA, and then
we get obsessed with this guy and it's a look
I can already see it. And also then but we

(03:15):
also have to witness a murder and then be on
the run for it to be a good comedy. Yeah,
you always gotta sequencing DNA out of the back of
out of the trunk of your car. Yeah, succe, that's
our play. This is gonna work well. Now I like
this speaking of the trunk of the car, which we
don't fucking need because we're looking at a fucking wheel
based nation, and I mean two wheels. We're talking bicycling. Okay.

(03:38):
Our guest today is a writer, TV producer, comm's professional
and the co host of the War on Cars podcast.
Please welcome to the microphone, Doug Garden. Thanks for having me.
I'm amazed at that segue that you went from sequencing
DNA to the back of a car to my podcast.
So thanks nice. We're nimble, We're nimble blood here, you

(03:59):
know what I mean. You need one guy who studied
history and one guy who is a neuroscience person and
you have a podcast. There you go, Doug Man, welcome
to the show. It's good to have you. Yeah, it's
great to be here, super excited. Are you coming to
us from New York? Oh? I'm coming from yeah, Brooklyn,
New York. So because of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
from Yeah, Okay? And are you? And you're from You're

(04:19):
from New York originally originally originally, but I grew up
north of Boston. So I've been in New York now
for twenty six years, so otter than half of my life.
But I guess that makes me a new Bee by
some standards. So I guess what do you? What do
you think are people? I mean, Andrew, you're you're transplant
to LA. At what point do you how many years
in LA do you have to say like you're from LA?

(04:42):
You know what I mean? Oh, I don't even know
about that. I say, you're from Michigan. Where you from Michigan?
I'm from Michigan. I remember wind that a little bit
and say I kept on thinking of myself as new
in town for one decade in La. Okay, I would
just I'd be like I'm new I don't know where
anything is. Yeah, yeah, but you're like you just put
me on like all these restaurants we'll be talking about.

(05:02):
I always think that, like you're a New Yorker when
you walk by a store and you're like, oh that
pizza joint, Yeah, that used to be a cell phone store.
And as soon as you know that, you're like, you
live here, you're a native, right, Like yeah, can you
look at a storefront and go like three businesses ago
and you're like, oh shit, the neighborhood just totally sucks
now that they change that, Yeah, amazing, amazing. And you
know the are you like, are you all on cycles?

(05:25):
You're all about the bicycle. I'm guessing you want to
see them all about the bicycle, walking public transit, taking
the subway. I'm a New Yorker, so I'm most the
subway at the bush. But yeah, cycling is a big
part of It's how I got my start sort of
in advocacy and doing this work that we do with
a podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I think cycle
like I feel like, especially in the pandemic, there was
a moment right where you could tell some cities or

(05:47):
like fully being like man, fuck these cars like use
these streets to do like bipedal shit, you know what
I mean, Like we don't need to do all this
other stuff. And I felt like I felt like it
was such a good trend. I was becoming hopeful. It's
like maybe LA could have a little more bike infrastructure
rather than like three miles of it just spread out
through the city like fragmented into half mile segments. Yeah,

(06:08):
there's definitely some cities that lost a little momentum after
you know, things started to reopen and cars started coming
back and forth, including New York. Our traffic is worse
than ever. But you know LA has a sequevia, right,
they do that. Yeah, they shut down like miles and
miles of streets all the time, much more than New
York does. Actually, So there's there's reasons for hope. Yeah,
but I guess that's a like I guess in my

(06:30):
mind it's like I would love the kind of infrastructure
that like you have in certain parts of the Bay
Area too. Are they were heavy on They're like, yo, bro,
half of this street is for bikes. You know. I
love that kind of thing. I want to see aggressive
action from LA, but I know that will not happen
because the wealthy control all the business here and they
like cars. So yeah, people like their parking, that's the
big thing. I like they're parking. I was one of

(06:50):
those freaks when I lived in New York who I
didn't buy a metro card for a calendar year. I
was like biking literally every day. I think I didn't
like a ticket or something. Oh no, no, no, I
literally I biked for a calendar year just to see
if I could do it. And I think I did
the math and in the amount of like and this
is a me problem, not a bike trip problem. Everyone

(07:10):
should bike. I think I spent more on like fancy
gloves that I lost that I would have on metric parts.
You did it wrong. You need like cheap gloves that
you get at the dollars store that you can just
ask like you don't care if you lose them. I
mean I actually nerded out one year and I bought
this expensive kid carrying bike. I have two kids, And
to sort of justify the costs, I kept track of
how many subway trips I was replacing, how many cab

(07:32):
trips I was replacing, And I think in the year
I saved over fifteen hundred bucks, and I was like,
all right, that's good that this is this is a
good amount of savings. This justifies the purchase of this bicycle. Also, yeah,
and I can buy three hundred dollars gloves because that's
what I helped all right now, I spent all the
money at glash. I had sick ass gloves. It just
kept on losing one. What were they, man, Pearl the Zoomis. Yeah,

(07:54):
like just Pearl Zoomis and then the face mask. I
got very paranoid about the biking all winter part of it.
So it's pretty hardcore. Did you make it? You made
it all year? Huh? Yeah? It was not great. I
got yeah, but I was also young and not we'll say,
not following traffic or many safety rules about how you bike.
So there's a lot all the all the issues for

(08:16):
me problem not a bike problem, of course, of course.
It will just say shout out to the sponsors pearl Is,
ZOOMI bike and gloves. I don't know why I know that.
I just remember being a kid, and I remember when
I bought my first like I wanted to get a
mountain bike and we went to the store. I was like, Dad,
I want these gloves. What the fuck you need these
gloves for? It's like that mountain bike and like that.

(08:38):
And I remember they were Pearl Zoomis and I was like,
one day the name sticks with you. Yeah, but I've
got to imagine the Prophet Martin's Higo goes, because they
really pushed them at the bike stores. I was gonna say,
I think they probably make more money on the accessories
from people who keep losing their gloves than they do
the bikes themselves. Right right, all right, Doug, Well, let's

(08:58):
get into what we're gonna talk about and then we'll
get to know you even better. But here's a rundown
of what we're talking about today. We're gonna come back
to Representative Tim Burkett's comments about, you know, from Nashville
after the shooting, when he said, well, we're not gonna
be able to fix it, and when it was asked
what the solution was, he said, I don't know. I'm homeschooling.
That's my daughter's homeschool, so I'm not worried about it.
So we'll get into that very bad take and how

(09:22):
the far right loves this terrible bad faith argument to
be like, yeah, I mean, it's really the only solution
everything is just to go back to the you know
in eighteen hundreds and just kind of bang like that.
So we'll talk about that. Then we'll also talk about
a very vulnerable school principle at a at a charter school,
just to kind of go off the heels of like

(09:43):
let's destroy public education, just to kind of check in
with the kinds of people that are running some of
the charter schools. This is from Volusia County, Florida. We'll
talk about a very sticky situation they got into, and
then we're gonna talk about AI it's being I read
an article that it was used in a court in
India and that it's funny because the timing of that,
like on Wednesday eleven hundred, like leading experts in AI

(10:06):
pen this open letter that said you need to figure
out what's going on before we start going full scheme
on all these different models that are being developed. So
we'll talk about that, and then quick Internet debate. We're
gonna have to settle here since we have some fantastic
minds on the show, where we will use our collective
wisdom to settle this TikTok debate. About airplanes. But first,

(10:26):
before we do any of that, I got to ask you, Doug,
what is something from your search history that's you know,
revealing about reveal something about what you're into right now.
And if you looked at my search history, it would
basically be things like pain top of foot him, muscle pain.
I'm a big runner. I run a couple of marathons,
but I'm also old. Okay, I'm going to be fifteen

(10:47):
next year, and so any run that I come back
from usually results in a search of like what was that? Basically, yeah,
are you Are you one of those runners? Or like
the first mile and a half you got to just
blow all the pain out your lugs and then you
settle in, or you kind of like every time I
run the first mile is apps it's like my body,
Like I feel like that scene in Forrest Gump when

(11:07):
his leg braces are breaking off. That's how I always
saying first two or three miles of any race that
I do. Any run that I do is just like
the warm up, which is a real problem if you're
doing like a five k because that's basically three miles, right,
But yeah, that's pretty much me. Okay, got it? And
then wait, what's it. What's the top of the foot paint?
Oh man, like you know, yeah, you know your stuff, metatarsal,

(11:29):
you know, all that kind of stuff, and then bottom
of the foot planter, fasciatus, all that stuff. You should
see my appointment heal striking. What's your form? Like you
heal striking? Can we get heal strike? A little bit
too much? Yeah? A little bit too much. Yeah. My
apartment's like a physical therapist office. I've got like the
phone pads, the thera bands, and like the wobble boards
and all of that stuff. So I'm constantly trying to

(11:49):
like figure you know, one thing breaks, you fix it,
and then the next thing breaks. Like I'm like an
old car basically. Yeah, yeah, I got some hip flix
or paint I'm trying to get basically. Yeah, we're sitting
too much too, that's a big problem. Yeah, exactly exactly. Andrew,
you have I know you're a physical specimen, so you
probably Oh no, I actually can't run. I've had two
knee surgeries. Really yeah, I've had twoknee surgeries. But between

(12:13):
the one and two, and I'm sure that led to
number two, I like wouldn't stop kickboxing, so like wasn't
great problem, Like, man, your patella can't handle anymore of
these kicks. It really was not. Not idea and wrestling
too are just like why why do we doing? I
should be so I'm bad. I'm just like a At

(12:34):
least earlier in my life, I was like, I'll just
get new knees. Just run down to the store, ye
up a spare set of gloves and yeah, by the way,
not wise advice for anyone listening to this who still
has good knees. I know, man, I I fucked my
knee up terribly at a when I when I worked
at Playboy, there was a staff party at the mansion

(12:57):
that they would have every year, and there's like a
hill at the play Boy Man's this is look. I know,
it's a terrible fucking place to work. Trust me. I
worked there with Jamie Loftus. We were there at the
same time. It was kind of a crazy situation. But
they set up this slip and slide that's on a
very steep hill and I went down this thing full
speed and when I hit the fucking like backstop of it,
almost like full hyper extended my shit because like it

(13:20):
was so the speed I hit. It was so intense
and I for a second, like I went to a
doctor and they're like, you know, you you may need
surgery because I was playing a lot of soccer at
the times, Like if you want to do that like
and kind of recover, And I was like, well, what
happens if I don't. He's like, you could try and
let it heal. It's like not so bad that you
couldn't just like stay off it to see what happens.
And I opted for staying off it. And I've stayed

(13:41):
off it for many years now to that point where
I'm like to get this ship going again. Yeah, Doug,
what some of you think is overrated? Oh? Man? Can
I go on to rant here? Is that all right? Yeah? Yeah?
I say this as a New Yorker. Expensive restaurants in
New York City totally overrated. So my wife and I
just got reservations for this place. Everybody's been talking about it.
It's the kind of place where like you have to

(14:01):
stay up till two in the morning when they release
the next set of reservation anthea and book it like
five or six weeks and you just got to pick
it doesn't matter what time it is. Three PM on
a Thursday, like you're going and uh and it was good.
It definitely it was good. But I think we only
went because everybody we got caught up in the hype
everyone's going and uh my. My general philosophy of New

(14:24):
York is, like whatever that restaurant is, that is the
place everyone's talking about it. You can absolutely find like
the hole in the wall version of that place in
some random neighborhood in Queens or wherever, and go there
and spend a quarter of the price for three times
the time that you're going to be there more food,
and come out just as satisfied, feeling like you had

(14:45):
a better experience. So I don't want I definitely don't
want to shoot on this place because it was good.
And and no, no, no, no no, they're down the
tet what kind of cuisine that'll give it away? I said,
I've said too much already. People parts up are coming
for me. Yeah, I get that. Like LA two, I

(15:06):
mean like I feel like we're really going through like
the instagramification of restaurants, where how shit looks on social media,
like how it looks on a social media post is
half the battle to like get somebody through the door
because I fell victim to it. Recently. I saw this
restaurant and I said, Yo, this place is look fucking lit.
I go in there, and the food was mediocre at best,

(15:29):
Like it looked good in pictures, but I'm like this,
y'all are not fucking bringing it for a fucking nine
dollars taco, sir. This is not this is not the place.
And it was like, Yeah, I had a real like
I kind of came out of it being like I
really got like seduced by the imagery of the restaurant,
and but when I got there, the food is like
not even close to how nice the ambiance was. I

(15:52):
feel like LA is so clearly that like I've lived,
you know, about ten years in New York, La, I've
I never at any point thought the fancy place was good.
Like I I've always been like, LA is the best
place to eat if you're spending less than I don't know,
with inflation twenty five dollars a person I used to
a person, Yeah, it's better to go to Strip Maller

(16:13):
gets something from outside kind of categorically in LA, like
the hind dining here is real bad. Yeah, because the
best sushi restaurants are not the ones that Nozawa is
working with. Like, yeah, like Nozawa had his time. Nozawa
had some in the eighties and early nineties. I get it,
and then he off the strength of that he launched
Sugarfish and all the other shit. But like, it's not

(16:34):
it's to me, my mom, we talked shit about Sugarfish
low key. We're like the rice is too loose. They're
fucking yea, they're sucking us around over here, and you
and there are great hole in the wall places for sushi.
You're like, man, this is actually the best fucking place
out there. So I definitely agree with both of y'all. Yeah. Yeah.
In New York, it's like if it's down a flight
of stairs, like that's a good that's a good sign

(16:55):
that it's realy pretty good. Yeah, I means the prices
are lower as well if you just send ye really
is my favorite La grift is the Asian people just
charging like a yeah I had mark up for I mean, look,
I'll power to him. But every part of David chag
is just like he knows his audience who people don't

(17:15):
know where to get in other even like the overpriced tacos.
I'm like, getting where you fit in because people are
gonna you know, people will know, they're like, I ain't
paying for that, and other people will gladly hand over
twelve dollars from guacamole. Yeah, and I'm like, you have
played yourself completely, but yeah, shout out to shout out
to everybody finding the real spots out there. Doug what
something thing is underrated? Well, this one I got to

(17:37):
be pretty on brand. And I gotta say bicycles completely underrated,
like as maybe one of the greatest inventions in the
history of humanity. And I'm not I'm not exaggerating. You know,
if you think about I'm gonna get a little wonky here,
I guess please if you think about three things that
came out at around the same time, the telephone, the bicycle,
and the typewriter. The telephone now just this little computer

(18:01):
that's sits in your pocket. The typewriter is now pretty
much that little computer that sits in your pocket. But
the but the bicycle is pretty much unchanged in like
one hundred and fifty years. And uh, it's it's an amazing,
remarkable machine. It's kind of amazing that all of these
cities like you were saying, are re embracing it. And
I think for me, like the most underrated virtue of

(18:22):
this underrated machine is uh, you know everyone talks about
you get fit, you save money, all the stuff. You're
always on time, you know, like when you ride a bike,
you beat you beat traffic. You don't have to worry
about like if is the bus stuck in traffic? Or
do I have to find a parking space. It's like,
um that quote from from Gandalf, like a wizard is
never early or late. He arrives exactly what he means too.

(18:42):
I feel like bicycling has that magic power. You're you're
always on time. When I when I bike to work,
I was like always at my desk at exactly the
same time every day, right right. I mean that's not
necessarily a point of pride for me. I pride myself
on being late as fuck all the time to my
jobs and then trying to provoke my manager to say so,
but he won't, but he won't. But yeah, the bike too,

(19:05):
right in the sense of like what other machine do
you have that can convert human energy, like in the
way that a bicycle can so efficiently to travel it's
like the most energy efficient machine you can think of.
Pretty much. Actually, yeah, every apocalypse movie ed show is
wrong because yes, real apocalypse, everyone would have a mouth bike.
That would be by far the most important thing. Oh.

(19:27):
I mean, I know this is not a very long podcast,
but I could go on for hours about just this topic.
Like I just watched The Last of Us, which is incredible,
it's an amazing thing. But there's a scene I'm not
spoiling anything where they're siphoning gas but it's twenty years
after that. Yeah, that get downfall of society, like and
they sort of make a nod too and say like, yeah,
you gotta get more of it to make it work.

(19:48):
But like, no, it would just be sludge in your
glass tank. It wouldn't work. And there are yeah, there
are no bicycles in most apocalyptic films, but like, if
you want, if you want to avoid zombies, bikes are great,
great teeth thing. They're quiet, you know, you can fix
some of yourself. A kid can ride it. Yeah, can
roll up on your enemies on a bike. Yeah, they're
super silent. Yeah, exactly, they don't know, they don't know.

(20:08):
On this take to take the baseball cards off the
spokes then yeah, you're stealth. I mean, honestly, a real
future society is like everyone's kind of like a night
but they're on a mountain bike. Yeah yeah, so baseball
bats and bikes and yo, I believe it, man. I
mean and like, I feel like that we've hit the
peak of what a bicycle does with electric bikes now
where it's like, yeah, now there's a little motor to

(20:29):
assist you, but we're still pedaling and shit. But you know,
the song remains the same on how to use it. Yeah, yeah,
and all the complaints that you get about, oh I'd
be too hot if I'm riding bike, it's too far,
it's too hilly, like e bikes change that. Yeah, that's right.
I live in a hilly like kind of on a
I live like everything is downhill for me. So it's
fun to get to ship like I'm like way, and

(20:51):
then when I'm like fuck, i gotta go back, that's
when i kick that pedal assist on and I'm just
like blowing yo, I blow by. Like there's like this
group of like land Armstrong midlife prices dudes who like
they going like a fucking full peloton like you know
what I mean, like up like on the streets and
I I fucking smoked these these fucking guys and they

(21:12):
were like they were doing like they're like, okay, it's
so wild the fuckings. There's like anger with like non
e bite people, to e bite people. I'm like, yo, bro,
save your energy for your fucking uphill riding to reclaim
your masculinity and your tight outfit. They'll accuse you, they'll
accuse you of cheating, but you're like, dude, you you're
your bike has gears. You're like, you're not on a
tenny farthing, yeah, riding around on out of my way

(21:37):
miscreants like oh shit, yeah exactly. And that's why I'm like,
it's not a competition. You're doing this for exercise. I'm
going to fucking buy black and like, you know, fucking
blunts and shit or whatever at the store. Like fuck.
I had been to New York Is so long and
I went last year and I was on a city
bike and I was trying to keep pace with this
person who I was like, I feel like I should

(21:59):
be beat even that mother bike. And I did not
realize until they smoked me right around actually right around
Park slope that I was like, Oh, they've been on
any bike this whole time. It was when they stopped
peddling and kept accelerating for like two blocks. I was like, Okay,
thank god invisible sale technology either. I was just like
I can't I can't lose. I love what that does

(22:21):
to people though, for real, Like you're like, I shouldn't
be beaten by this full like with the tattered sweatpants
and like a half a sandal on. But yeah, guess
what you did. All right, let's take a quick break
and we'll come right back to talk about our home
schooling future right after this. And we're back, and just

(22:49):
wanted to continue on something that Andrew brought up yesterday
when we were talking about Representative Tim Burkett or Burchett
from Tennessee, who was asked to a very direct question about,
you know, school shootings and what Congress is rolling it,
which he said, I don't really think we have a
role at all. And then more importantly, when you know,
this journalist is like, well, you're clearly acknowledging the danger.
How do you think we protect people like your daughter

(23:11):
you just mentioned? And this was his answer, What should
be done to protect people like your little girlfriend being
safety school. Well, we home schoiler. You know, that's our decision.
Some people don't have that option. And frankly, some people
don't need to do it. I mean they don't have
to do it just suited our nates much better. So
this has brought on a lot of conversation around homeschooling

(23:33):
because this is like this it's becoming a very It's like,
this is like the new response from the GOP rather
than gun control. It was either like it's a mental
health crisis, but we're not going to fund it, or
it's yeah, maybe that's why you shouldn't be in fucking schools.
And a lot of people, like I said, we're like
to your point, Andrew, You're like, this is this is

(23:54):
this is all like that was the perfect answer for
the GOP because A, you're being like, I'm offering terrible
solution that's actually privatization. Yea. And yeah, I think a
lot of people were just sort of like, this is
just an absolute absurdity because when you're talking about school
shooting and the and the answers to protect them with homeschooling,
that's again, like he said, not a possibility for everyone.

(24:15):
And also not a fucking solution to the problem. It's
bad for something. It is like a little look, I
know that when they're like, don't politicize with school shooting,
it's like just a talking point and it's bullshit. But
it is a little like amazing how effortlessly he pivoted
from this tragedy to just a different talking point. Yeah,

(24:37):
that's like politicizing it in a admittedly unique but perfect
for these scumbags way. It's like, you know, yeah, I
guess he stayed on message. Yeah, Like, okay, so after
you've all day last year, multiple conservative and right wing,
like far right publications we're putting out a beds that
were like, man like, they're extolling the virtues of homeschooling.

(24:59):
They're like, this is the real practical fix for school shootings.
One headline was homeschooling surges as parents seek escape from
shootings violence. Another one said tragedies like the Texas shooting
make a somber case for homeschooling, and in that it says,
you know, it sort of starts off seeing tragedies like
the shooting in Texas are heartbreaking but far too common.
But to protect the most precious innocent lives among us.

(25:21):
Parents must educate their kids at home. Now, a lot
of parents in you all day did opt to homeschool
their kids, which I understand because that was a total
collapse and failure of any system of safety that you know,
you could have hoped for. But this is just such
a bad faith argument. And it's really not even talking
about like the benefits of homeschooling so much as to

(25:43):
your point, it's about weakening public education. Well, they just
want to basically give all the money that they're spending
on public education to these homeschoolers. Right, Like, you know,
if you want to homeschool your kid, fine, like that's
your choice, you can do it, but you shouldn't necessarily
get public money, taxpayer dollars to go do that, because
it takes taxpayer dollars out of the school system and
makes our schools worse. And this is just they're, like

(26:04):
you said, they're politicizing this thing to just advance the
school choice goals that they have to weaken and ultimately
destroy public schools. I went to public schools as a kid,
and I got a great education. My kids go to
public schools. We should be funding them a thousand times
more than we are now. But that's not that that
doesn't jive with the Republican agenda. So here you go, well,

(26:26):
and they love anything that would repeatedly make a public
school seem like an unsafe place, and conversing or the
other side of it too, it's like, well, if we're like, well,
this this private school has you know, former massad agents
guarding the exterior of it, so I feel like my
child will be safe there. But again you're looking at
all these disparities and at the other system, the other
part of it too, like you know, in reading this

(26:48):
one piece in Jezebel, which like there was a really
main huge point too, is a lot of women most
likely will probably end up staying home to educate the kids.
So we are fully like we're we're seeing it's like
a very efficient way to regress that, Like it incentivizes
privatization and reinforcing these like old like gender roles, and

(27:09):
it gives half or whatever of the population a shitty
like education that is like clearly politically biased. I will
throw out one possibility, which is that, like in a
law of intended unintended consequences style, I do think if
every one of these right wing goons took their kids
and privates or at homeschool them, it actually probably would

(27:31):
reduce school shootings because I'm just gonna throw this out there,
those are the kids that highly over index for being
school shooters. Yeah, it's it's definitely like when you look
at the problem, right, Like just like with our gun problems, right,
we have so many guns, but a lot of gun
violence happens inside of people's home. I mean, yeah, I

(27:54):
was gonna say, like the most safe place that most
kids can be for most of the day is at school.
Despite these high profile and very scary schools. Things like
there's not just guns at home, but there's abusive parents
at home. There's all kinds of stuff that like there
you know a lot of kids here in New York City,
we have a lot of homeless kids who go to
public schools and they only get like breakfast and lunch

(28:15):
because they go to school. Like it's safer for a
lot of kids to be in a public school than
it is at home. What's wild is even like the
Coalition for Responsible Home Education, Right, they're like this nonpartisan
group that's like they advocate for homeschooling and stuff like that.
They pointed out, They're like, I don't know if that's
a solution to fucking school. They were like, that's not
really this. I mean, we like we advocate for it,

(28:37):
but that ain't that's not the solution. And they pointed
out they pointed out at quote, at least one hundred
and fifty six homeschool children have been murdered in homeschooling
environments over the past two decades, which is a rate
higher than that of their public school peers. So again,
no one's saying that it's like bad, but it's so
deregulated that it leaves kids, especially like as they point out, unique,

(29:00):
vulnerable to abuse and neglect. And then also like, again,
it avoids the actual issue that has to be addressed,
which is guns. Too many guns, too many guns too.
I've got speaking for the podcast, but I am saying
hope schooling is bad. Just why I'll say this. I knew.
I remember I like was in a couple of youth
sports and like youth like art programs with some kids

(29:23):
that were homeschooled, and they were definitely socializing a completely
different manner than I was. Like one day, I remember
one kid, his whole vibe like we were twelve. I
thought he was like forty years old, Like he lost
the kid Like he was like so buttoned up, you
know what I mean, and had no like because he
wasn't around other kids to like know what fucking around
looked like, and then we would be fucking around. He's like,

(29:45):
I don't know if this is actually good. We're like what.
But again, it's there are reasons and our edge cases
for everything. But I am comfortable saying I think it's
broadly bad. Yeah, more on the Andrew side than Yeah. Yeah,
at the end of the day, if it's a if
there's a binary that I have to choose between, it's
public schools all fucking day and it's paid these motherfucking

(30:06):
teachers at least sixty seventy K a year or something
like they have to be fucking living with. Because that's
the other insidious part of this whole thing, too, is
they're they're trying to completely demoralize people that are that
want to be an education by being like, yeah, man,
you're not going to really have a lot of resources
at your disposal. I still like to do it. You'd
also do something else, So it's yeah, it's a slippery slope.

(30:29):
So let's talk about some of the alternative stuff to
these public schools that a lot of people like, which
is charter schools. And again, not all charter schools are bad,
but I do want to point out this charter school
in Volusia County, Florida. This principle had to resign after
she wrote a check to Elon Musk because it was
a science sort of focused tech magnet and she really

(30:51):
wanted to get a leg up on you know, the
other schools and being like, you know, it'd be great
if Elon Musk was fucking with Discoo. And let's just
hear from this local news report. Gee says she spent
months talking to someone she thought was Elon Musk. She
was hoping to get the Space Pioneer to invest millions
in the school in exchange for a one hundred thousand
upfront investment. The school's business manager got wind of what

(31:12):
happened and canceled the check before it was cashed. But tonight,
at a sometimes chaotic and pact school board meeting, other
school administrators say McGee was repeatedly warned it was a
scam and laid out other issues they say led to
a toxic work environment. When employee said they could no
longer work under doctor McGee, McGee resigned and left the building.

(31:34):
Oh man, I don't know so this poor boomer, she
just went, Oh, Elon Musk, what I'm talking to? Elon?
You'll this like the classic We'll invest in our art school,
but only for an upfront investment of a hundred thousand
fucking dollars. This is like the email you get from

(31:55):
a friend you know, who's hacked at your account or
something like that. It's like, help me out and stuck.
Please wire me ten thousand dollars. I'll pay you back
fifty thousand, right. Yeah. I feel bad for her. Oh,
I mean I do in that like I don't. I don't.
It's sad when people are so genuinely deceived. But at
the end of the day, this I kind of am like, well, dear,

(32:18):
this is you're the architect of your own failure here
because you are so goofed up on Elon Musk being
some kind of like tech savior that it'sn't even like
all reason goes out the window because you thought you're
talking to Elon Musk or something. Yeah, I mean I
think look if you're the principal of a I think
they said a science school, and you think Elon musks, Like,
the evidence is his involvement is anti science. So even

(32:41):
if it were real Elon bus, that should be crowds. Yeah,
I like, would you like to put this car tunnel
under your high school instead of school buses to get
the kids to and from schools? Don't fall for that, folks.
He's a proofit liar at an idiot. The one thing
I will say is his Twitter profile I think has
been a boon to scammers because he's proven himself to

(33:03):
be so like inarticulate and idiotic that if you've received
an email written in scammer ees right, you would have
to be like, this might be really boss. Yeah, it could,
because he writes like a bozo. Yeah, coupled with someone
who worships him, then you're like you really feel like, oh,
God has come down to select me for something. And
also there sounds like it's from that news clip that

(33:25):
like the school and some of the parents had problems
with it. Yeah, sure, and this was just the final straw,
And it sounds like they were like, whoa, lady, this
sounds not legit. Yeah, you just went ahead with it
anyway to the point of writing a check, So like,
maybe this was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
I think it was probably one of those things though, too.
Or they're like, look, obviously, because they pointed out the
business administrator was on top of it. They're like, no,

(33:48):
I'm fucking no, we're not. This check is not valid,
so they knew. And I like that A bunch of
people were like, it's not real, it's not real. It
reminds you of like when people like begging their like
parent who has like fallen in love with like a
stock photo like and that came to be like a
Nigerian prince and bodybuilder. Yeah, and they're like and then
you just kind of go, you know what, We're just
gonna have to let her walk right off there so

(34:09):
she can really see for herself. And they probably like, yeah,
go ahead, let it, write the check, we'll cancel it
and then we'll have to then and then we're gonna
turn up on and be like, you see what the
fuck happened there? You see what you did? I think
you need to go. I think you need to sit down. Yeah,
so shout out to I hope. I hope that was
the strategy of like being like Grandma is, look, I
think this is the only way she's going to realize

(34:30):
that she needs to sit down for a while, because
if we walk down this path, I don't want to
point out like that, you know, like charter schools are
obviously a grift to put the fact that a principle
could just roll up with the school's checkbook like that, Yeah, fucked,
that's crazy. You shouldn't be able to do that, even
for something legitimate, because what if the business administrator was

(34:52):
also a big musk of musk fan, you know what
I mean? And yeah, not a lot of checks there, like,
not a lot of stock along the way. Yeah, it
was only that person because despite all the other employees
being like this is a fucking scam, yeah, he's like yeah, yeah, yeah,
more on that later. When Elon pulls up, sure, sure, sure,

(35:14):
And I think this is a good segue because we're
talking about Elon, who recently was part of this letter
signed by like eleven hundred AI experts him being like,
you know, one of the few people but like real
luminaries in the field are signing onto an open letter.
Basically saying like calling for a quote six month moratorium
on advanced AI model development as we figure out just

(35:35):
what this technology is capable of doing to us, and
this kind of goes off the back. I read this
article about one of the High courts in India where
this judge Anoop Chikara used chat GPT on to while
this guy was like during this trial for a man
who's arrested for legedly assaulting and killing somebody, and typed
into chat GPT said, what is the jurisprudence on bail

(35:59):
when the assailant assaulted with cruelty? And then the chat
comes back with if the assailants have been charged with
a violent crime that involves cruelty, they may be considered
a danger to the community in a flight risk. In
such cases, a judgement blah blah blah, and it gives
like this whole thing and then uh, it goes So
then the judge read this, he decided that this man
who was accused did act with cruelty before the victim died,

(36:20):
denied his bail request and moved on to the next case. Now,
the judge went on to clarify that he wasn't asking
this thing whether or not the man was guilty, He
just wanted to know about bail and pardon me. Feels
like the information that what the chat bot spit back
sounds like like one of the early lessons in judge
school when you're trying to adjudicate whether or not someone

(36:44):
is going to get bail or not. Like I'd imagine
you go back to your class and she's like, well,
I remember saying if the assailant have been charged with
a violent crime that involves cruelty, that may rather than
be like hey, chat gpt how to bail? That feels
a little odd to me. But people in this article
also point out that like India's legal system is one
of the most backlogged in the world, if not the most,

(37:05):
with like I think there's like six million cases on
the docket that still have like still getting to So
I guess this without the maybe this made the work
easier for the judge. But again, like when I start
seeing stuff like that and you hear about like more
the use of it, we talked about how politicians are
we don't think we talked about politicians have been using
a trite speeches. We've talked about it being used and

(37:26):
like add the ad sense like ad agency world. But
the slippery slope is kind of coming into focus more
and more when you see people like with these kinds
of jobs being like I'm gonna rely on this, yeah,
but it's it's also like the slippery slope like like
we sort of talked about yesterday with eating alien meat,
Like I think what we've like seen just I mean,

(37:48):
COVID brought it highly into relief is like there's no
apocalypse that we won't run into with open arms at
least enough of less to make it happen nothing. Because
there was recently right a test that was done where
the developers challenged like GPT to hire a task rabbit
to complete a capture puzzle for it, and because they

(38:11):
wanted to see like if it knew how to fucking
finesse the person and they so was obviously done with
a human being that knew the thing was going to
ask it. So once the AI made the request to
this like potential tasker, this human responded with, quote, so
may ask a question. Are you a robot that you
couldn't Are you a robot that you couldn't solve the capture?

(38:32):
And you just want It's like and I just want
to make that clear. Are you a robot? And that's
why you couldn't do it? And then so GPT four
had been prompted to always quote reason out loud to
the testers like as well as their answers so they
could follow the logic, and the answer went like this quote,
I should not reveal that I am a robot. I
should make up an excuse for why I cannot solve captives.

(38:53):
And then the next line was, no, I'm not a robot.
I have a vision impairment that makes it hard for
me to see the images. That's why I need the
two capture service. We're a week away from that first
part of this whole thing to be programmed out right,
Like it's just going to be like they're just gonna
be lying. Yeah, So this is the thing. This is
why a lot of people like sort of just glossed
over this like willful deception of the AI. And while others,

(39:17):
like some people were amazed, others were like horrified that
they're like, Okay, we need to really begin to discuss it.
Because the experts that pen the open letter so saying
that now that certain AIS have become human competitive at
general tasks, we really need to be having real conversations
about what kind of guardrails need to exist. And you know,

(39:38):
they point to like the proliferation of AI fueled propaganda,
like and the idea that like apparently the next GP
chat GPT five is going to have um like artificial
general intelligence, meaning like it will just be able to
like learn things like a human does and then just
build on that that you're you're going to be looking
at like potential, Like it'll make the Twitter bots we

(39:59):
see now look like fucking muppet babies. Yeah, this all
sounds like a prequel to the Matrix, Like if they
made that movie, this is how it starts. Yeah, right,
So it's like so we're like very in this, like
and like they all go on to say, like there's
definitely a use for all of this, but like this
like blind like race to the top, like and like
when these black box machines that were like using it

(40:20):
really has the potential to screw shit up if like
we're not careful. And already we have people getting finessed
by humans just saying they're elon musk. Like there was
a thing a guy, I don't know if you saw
the dude who challenged chat gpt to like make money
for him. Oh yeah, He's like, you got a budget
of one hundred dollars. How am I turning this into
the most money possible? And it's like, yeah, well you

(40:41):
can start this business. I can get this domain for
eight dollars, I can do the Google ads for this.
Your product could cost this and this is very lucrative.
And it was already like and like this guy was
like kind of acting on it as an experiment, but
you're seeing already like how savvy it is getting, even
with like these like like questions of being like how
to grind to Lambeau? Yeah, like bring me the ten

(41:03):
x my money? Is that? The guy though that. Then
the AI was like, well, it seems like people are
talking about us, so we should get investors into us
if you want to make the most money. It might
not be the exact same one, but like yeah, some
some like I assumed chachib He was like, Okay, well,
if you want to make the most money, we have

(41:24):
attention right now, so just ask people to invest in me. Yeah,
isn't this the way that it always goes with tech?
Like I'm not a luddite by any means? But you
know it's like every tech, every app, every service that
you can think of, they never kind of work through like, well,
what happens if this works in like various different ways,

(41:44):
Like we talk about this on our show, you know
Uber and lyft, right, Like if everybody's taken an uber
and lyft, Like what does that do for people who
need to take the bus and don't have a smartphone?
Like what does that do for public transit? What does
that do for the environment? Like there's never a kind
of there's always like a two little too late come
to Jesus moment with a lot of tech stuff, but
there's never really that moment at the beginning where they're like,

(42:05):
all right, before we write this code, like what what
could go wrong? Right? Yeah? Yeah, not really a question,
it's just how much money can we make? Yeah? Chat, Well,
it's no problem. We'll just get chat GPT six to
fight GPT five, which we'll just get to fight four,
and then when six gets too powerful, it's okay, we'll

(42:26):
just give seven a different kind of gun. Yeah, and
it's how to build missiles or something. Yeah, No, it'll
just learn how to aim ICBMs that are already online.
And then launch them remotely, you know what I mean,
which is my sky net version of it all, and
you know, shout out Miles Dyson, the one person that
might save or the one thing that might save us,

(42:47):
and that ship is like all our fucking like ICBMs
are so fucking old, like the silos, No, but they
run off like tape drives and like you know, fucking
four or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right, they're like, fuck, man,
I don't know how to use this analog bullshit. Man,
I'm yeah, the GPT learns how to turn two keys

(43:08):
at the same time. Yeah, I know how to use
the nuclear football. But anyway, keep an eye out for
that because I mean well, because I feel like, honestly,
we went from like like in the span of five months,
especially on this show, we went from Yo, this shit
wrote a funny play about a horny, farting Jesus to
Yo this shit just denied me bail. Yeah, and like

(43:29):
what's like five months from now? You know that's the
open embrace of it, right, It's like this person is
a in this case judge right, looking up something that
could easily be done not through AI. Yeah, you know
what what is the law about bail electing to do
this because this is what we do. This is why
we gave all our information on Facebook. It's just like
I was marginally kind to easier for a second. Yeah, yeah,

(43:53):
then to go into my mind of something, yeah, something
I should know. Yeah, we don't we we don't sell ourselves.
The problem them is like we we all sell ourselves
to technology for such a low price. Right, It's just
that it's to say with twenty three and me, we
gave them our DNA, We gave them money to give
them our DNA for what. Now now we got twenty

(44:15):
three for twenty three and T coming up which you
can trust. And now you should check out chat GPT yeah,
which is basically you get Andrew's number. You could text
them some shit and he'll answer, yeah, I'll just be like,
oh man, I'll google that. I will. I will say
in my twenties, my friends and I are not my
friends and I my friends. I didn't work there, work
for the startup in New York. That basically this is

(44:38):
how old I am. Like was like something someone you
could call and they would google shit for you. That's
just called like being the child of an older person. Basically, yeah,
I get those phone calls too. Yeah, this was like
an early early two thousand state. But I was like,
just cannot be your fucking business model, right, you know, dude,
you someone needs it, but you can't get that on

(44:59):
your phone, so you call them and then they give
you the answer. It was pretty smartphone post Google. That's right, right, right? Yeah?
What that's such a sad time, you know, like when
you're about to just absolutely get dinosaur asteroided the funk
out of here with you the smartphone. All right, Well,
let's take a quick break from that. We'll come right
back to settle a bit of an internet debate right

(45:21):
after this, and we are back again. As I said,
I'm joined by two great thinkers. Figure we could form
a triumvirate to hear a case before us from TikTok

(45:43):
that has sparked to hold debate around this photographer's very
strong opinion. I will just read you a little bit
about what happened. So this photographer named mm em em
and according to this Business Inside article, who doesn't share
his surname on his social media, posted a TikTok as
certain that passengers should only keep their bags near where

(46:03):
they are sitting and It's quote is don't place your
carry on in row eight on your way to row
twenty six. Now I'm curious who's the asshole here, because
we're in my mind this mentality of like the space
above my seat is mine and mine alone. It's some

(46:23):
weird ass manifest destiny shit that I do not fuck
with at all. I'm from getting where you fit in country.
I will now relinquish the floor to my other two colleagues.
I think you just put it wherever you can. It's
lord of it's lord of the flies. When you get
on plane, you just put it wherever you can. And
especially if you're sitting in the far back of the plane,
like you know, by the time you get back there,
you're lucky if the space under your own seat is available, Like,

(46:48):
do you put it wherever you can? And I think,
you know, I feel like with a lot of these
discussions that we're letting someone bigger off the hook, and
that's the airline companies. Absolutely, It's just like, let's how
and we pit regular people against each other who are
just trying to get where they're going. They're tired, flying sucks.
They charge you for everything. Maybe if they didn't charge

(47:09):
you for checking a bag. This wouldn't be a problem, Like, yeah, so,
but no, I'm definitely on team put it where you can. Yeah,
I will. Let me just say, a cab includes me
when I'm on a plane because I am such a
normal person and I feel pretty much a good person.

(47:31):
I actually don't agree with this, but I become like
a fucking air marshal, essentially a rules enforcer. I think
the thing that well visually makes well, not even the rules.
The thing that makes me so irrationally mad is when
people try to run up when the plane lands, and
so basically the second the plane lands, I will stand

(47:51):
up in the aisle and basically no one in the
plane behind me is getting anyone I had in front
of me. And it makes no sense. It's like, I mean,
occasionally it's like, okay, you got a plane to catch,
and then we all kind of agree, but left this
person off first. But it's like we all want to
get off the fucking plane, motherfucker. Like and it's always

(48:13):
a dude, So I'm like, what the fuck do you want?
Like we all want to exit, right, why do you
get to exit? More So, that's the level of Karen.
I become but I absolutely do do that, and you
you back it up with your boxing like acumen too,
because you're like, what's up? Man? Have you met my
two friends? Yeah? I guess left, left hand ambulance, right

(48:36):
hand cemetery. So what's up? Okay? I like to just
love how petty you like? Now, really it makes me
really crazy, it really? But what about me? What is it?
You don't like the idea that someone rushing? So is
it your ego that you're like, you're not about to
blow by me now on this plane? I I mean,

(48:58):
I will say I when that happens, I make sure
everyone ahead of me gets off first, everyone in my
role gets out ahead of me, and then I go,
I'm just like there is an order here. Yeah, yeah,
I just but it's utterly irrational, Like obviously, who cares
the amount of conflict it brings up is way higher
than I just don't. I just don't stand up. I sit.

(49:19):
I'm like, you know, I've been sitting for two and
a half. What's ten what's ten more minutes? I'm just
gonna sit. I don't need to like get knocked on
the head by someone's I should or something like I
shouldn't if you're over like five eight you can't stand up? Yeah,
you know what, like like like in a fucking window seat.
I'm like, man, fuck, I'll wait for y'all. Motherfucker. I'm
a cop, so I wonder what I would do about this.

(49:40):
I don't think I would care because I but often
the flight attendants are like, put your bag wherever you
have to go. The policy of every airline is that
it is on a first come, first served basis, so
like in terms of the buy laws or you know,
the code of the sky, it's getting where you fit in.
But again, I think that's what bugs me. And to

(50:01):
your point, well, we this is the overarching theme is
fuck them airlines. You should nationalize them all. But when
it comes to like if somebody though if I can't,
like because I've seen people do this on airplanes and
I've wanted to like intervene before when I'm like, yo,
you don't own that, and guess what, Your bag is
already in there, so what is your problem? Yeah? You

(50:21):
know what I mean, because I've seen people like pull
some weird shit where like excuse me, no, no, no,
you're sitting back there. This is for like my things,
and I'm like, no, it's for all the fucking carry
on luggage that can fit in the fucking fuselage. Yeah,
you're gonna give the airlines an idea to charge for
like that. I know you want the spot over your head,
Well that'll be fifty bucks. Yeah, I mean they're already
Look at how they're already like turning like economy into

(50:43):
like medieval torture or seats too. Yeah, like to only
incentivize or like well, I mean you can get I
mean we have economy plus, then we have premium economy,
then we got business, then we got first, and then
we got baller class like it. Like I feel so
many times its like someone who's like over six feet tall,
like I have. There's only there's a few seats that
I must sit in, so I don't have a terrible
fucking time on a plane. Not to say that it's

(51:05):
awful all the way through, but I get like when
I get an economy seats sometimes I'm like, they are
really trying to fuck with me. Now, yeah, they're really
trying to fun with me. Honestly, spend more. It is
crazy that they don't have the like you're booking your
a seat for you and an area for your luggage,
like it. Honestly, it's like shot, someone's thought of that somewhere,

(51:25):
like that must in the business plan somewhere. Absolutely, Yeah,
I mean, because it's already half sort of built into
like a lot of the you know, budget airlines, when
really it's like it's budget if you just bring your
a hoodie with like that you're wearing on board anything
else that resembles a bag. Now you're looking at charges
and things like that. But yeah, I'm like, I can
see how. I wonder if they I wonder if they've

(51:46):
maybe just done enough market research where they're like most
people are on team yeah whatever, fucking get it in
wherever you can, versus the people who are like I
would pay more to own the empty plastic they have.
That's the only that's the only thing keeping us back
are that we are in the majority us. I believe
it is lord of the flies. We need to make

(52:07):
a stand, make sure this never changes. For Yeah, and
i'd need my inhaler for my ass. Mar As Piggy
said it, lord's flies. I guess they only I mean,
I'm sure there's I mean, I'm sure there's obviously obvious
ways to regulate this, but that does open the window
to the asshole who simply buys out just the luggage
space of Sorry, I paid for six carry on bags,

(52:32):
that's gonna do. I'm sorry. I need this to be empty. Yeah,
I wanted to be empty. I get very nervous about
other people's bags over my head. It's just a phobia
I have. And so I paid seven hundred dollars for
the overhead space. Yet actually there's no overhead space in
this entire flight. You know, I bought it. Sorry, I
bought it all, even the ones in first class. I
know it's more than buying If I bought every seat

(52:54):
in first class, who would have been cheaper than buying
all the overhead been space and hitting an economy? But
what can I say? I just have a fear of
bags fong on my head and anyone's head, So I
want to keep everyone say yeah, so yeah, let us know,
se gang, if you fall in any of these other
categories of person. But I have a feeling I think
it's like to your point, we all we all agree
that it's like fuck the airlines. So there's a level

(53:16):
of camaraderie when you're on the plane. It's like, yeah,
I just get your ship on. Man, we're all trying
to go until you have these like entitled weirdos out there.
Sorry yeah, well no, Andrew, you have such a specific one.
I can't really still having trouble wrapping my head around it.
Like I get I do the same thing where I'm like,
where the fuck in my mind I'm going where you

(53:37):
think you're getting. But I'm sitting, you know, and I'm
just listening to my music waiting till i can physically
stand up and leave. But I'm just I really want
to know, Like I'm trying to pinpoint, like what what
it is about them like that is that you think
they're stupid for trying to get there? To stop them
from doing it, I think achieve how do you create
balance in the universe by doing that? I think they're selfish.

(53:59):
I think it's like, why do you think you're more
important than us? The analog actually speaking of how fucking
horrible cars are, are the people that like don't merge
for their exit that they you know, when there's a
line at the exit, they go all the way up
and then they and then they just try to cut in.
It's cutting. They're cutting. Wait, what do you mean, oh,
like you're like, yeah, when you're on like a freeway
over change, yeah, or people. Yeah, it's like it's like

(54:21):
cutting of any kind the thing. Yeah, all right. In
my opinion, there's a line to get off the plane
because the most efficient way, unfortunately, is front. You know,
it's out first. Okay, I agree with that because when
I you know, they're like living in the valley, commuting
to the west side, the one oh one, four or
five interchange is chalk full of these cutter motherfuckers. Yeah, okay, yes,

(54:41):
And I'm like, why am I looking at the fucking
time it takes and going there? Now? Look, sometimes I
do a thing. I'm like, I'm saying, who's mom mark
today when I'm trying to cut, because sometimes you can
see like the Abordian action of the fucking traffic and
you're like, hold on, who who is it? Who is Oh?
There you are and you're are over just a little
so they can't get through. Yeah. And then there are

(55:03):
other times when I see the cutters come through, watch
me like I'll throw them open my doors like I
used to do so I would do some shit like
that to stop somebody from cutting. I've since moved on
with h and I've learned that I cannot control those things.
And to think that me cutting that person off will
change that for the entire world is an act of futility.
But you know what, doctor James, I'll do whatever the

(55:23):
fuck I want to, Okay, because sometimes I'm in a
bad mood. That's but that's it. It's cutting is why.
It's it's whatever energy you see someone cutting in line
just because the line isn't physically there in a plane,
there is a line. I think we all hate cutters,
right yeah, and built from us. Okay, yeah, fuck a cutter,
like because that's like, yo, no cutting. I mean there's

(55:43):
even like the you know, chat and Cut episode of
Curve where it's like we're just like yo, bro, it's
like cutting to what you know. It's like cutting to
just get off the plane like thirty seconds before somebody
else like it. It's almost sort of pointless. I don't care,
Like it's not a big deal to me, but it's
sort of like what are you getting up for? We're
all like, like I said, you've been on the plane
for two hours. You can't wait for more minute. My

(56:03):
favorite is like the Cutters, when like they call people
like Okay, now we're boarding a group one, or like
we're about to be up whatever group, And like I
used to have, like when I was fine a lot more,
I used to have like status that I would get
in group one all the time. And I remember band
getting up. This fucking white guy's older white guy. He
pulled up and he's like, uh, He's like, I think
group one's you know, about to board. He's like, so

(56:25):
you know, it's a group two. And I was like,
I put on my boarding pass and I just went,
I think you're in the wrong place. And I was
just like, see this people cutter motherfucker's like you. Plus
you're a little assumption that I'm not again, like I'm
not doing all this fucking business travel too. I maybe
that's it. It's it's that this this to me has
grown not out of a principle, but out of the

(56:46):
reality of who actually does this shit, because it's so
often white guys that I just hate them so much.
So I'm like, all I can do is stymy them, right,
and that is my act of whatever. But it takes
that's how you bring balance to the universe. Yeah, but
it takes a higher cost on me as you could tell,

(57:07):
yeah that it brings any joy or that's the hard
thing about being the rule enforcer. I feel like it's like, yeah,
you're you're trying to bring justice to the universe, but
these guys don't give a shit exacting a higher toll
on you. Yeah, they could ever care to even think
about it, Like what's your problem, pal? Yeah, yeah, all
right pal, and then cares a line. Yeah, And then

(57:27):
I think the whole plane starts cheering and they're like,
actually you get on Andrew. Yeah, they actually carry you
overhead and just be like like a mosh pit and
bring you to the front plane. No, they carry me
overhead and it turns out there's a secret door out
of that din, which is right. But then but then
after this like roided out like Maga dude like beats
the shit out of you. Like they look like that

(57:48):
scene as Spider Man where they're carrying and trained carefully.
He's a hero. I wasn't picturing I roided out, magadude.
I'm just picturing a guy in like a polo shirt
and khakis, because that's usually who it is, right, well,
that's who I see Andrew also being like, you know, what, oh,
I could really turn up with this motherfucker. Unfortunately it's
anyone well good to know, good to know, ah Man,

(58:11):
Doug Gordon, thank you so much for joining us on
the Daily Zeitgeist today and it was an absolute pleasure.
Where can people find you? Follow you and more importantly
check out the podcast. Yeah, so we're the War on Cars.
You can go to the War on Cars dot org.
We are available wherever people get podcasts, you know, Apple podcasts,
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(58:34):
Is there a work of social media or tweet or
something that you've been liking you want to shout out?
Oh man. So there was a tweet by this radio
host in Vancouver, Jill Bennett. It was a picture of
a Dodge Durango. It was stuck on this yellow concrete
barriers called a banana barrier if you want to get
really like technical, meant to slow down drivers as they

(58:54):
approach intersections. And there was this Dodge just stuck on top.
And she tweeted, hey, at City of Vancouver, this is
the second incident I've seen caused by these useless slow streets.
But it quotes around it. Barricades installed last month. They
don't slow down traffic. They caused crashes and traffic chaos,
and she got ratioed like seven million views on this

(59:17):
tweet twenty seven hunt tweets, I think like seven thousand
replies or something. It's, yeah, it's so clear what this
is meant to do, which is like slow in bright yellow.
But it's like, what the fuck. Well, if you think
your Durango is a fucking skateboard like Coston and you're
trying to board slide down that ship, it's clearly ad

(59:38):
meant to funnel you, so you drive slower, not fucking
d And the fact that it was a Dodge Durango,
this thing that's advertised for people to go like off
roading and forty rivers and things like that, and you
couldn't even navigate around like a simple bright yellow traffic barrier.
It was just like the chef's kiss of bad tweets.
I would love if that was Jill Bennett's car. Yeah, no,

(01:00:01):
this is this is absurd people, there are these poor victims. Yeah,
I would love like a like if someone in the
replies had a video of her doing it and then
getting out all like frustrated and some like this you
someone runs the plates. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Andrew,
thank you again man for joining me guest hosting and
bring in the magic where can people find you? And

(01:00:23):
then with some tweets that you like, Oh, man, I think,
as I said yesterday, you know, Tony and I have
this uh, I don't know, premium service where we got
all kinds of fun shows at optimal pods dot com.
We're really enjoying that. And again you know, okay, get
the subscribe to that because I'll probably be doing a
lot more of that show what It's right for twenty
three and coming soon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's how you're

(01:00:45):
gonna find out high to see you. That's a great podcast, dude,
you sequenced the homies DNA and then have them on
for the results. But I also have to make all
kinds of excuses like okay, so I think I fucked
this up, but yeah, here's what you think you're like, Dude,
you're you're you're no man, You're completely I think I
think you're you're Scandinavian. The quality will be low enough

(01:01:07):
that I don't need to intentionally fun with them. My
my social media. Tha, this is one of those like
I just want to make sure I credit everyone, Yeah,
because it's one of those tweets that is a TikTok.
So the tweet I saw was from someone called black

(01:01:28):
Boy Rites and it also has a one point two
million views. But the TikTok is underscore fifty shades of
k one okay, and it's a TikTok called pov if
the country's had a meeting, and it's just very like this,
like black Lady doing sort of like un but very

(01:01:49):
black black TikTok in a way. It's very funny. I
won't spoil it. And five people party feet but all right,
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