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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I've been there, been there a few times. Yeah. Oh
I love London, Yeah, I love I went to the
airport there once.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, you guys out there.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Which which he loves, he loves Gatwick doesn't have it,
I loved. I'm a man myself, Yeah I was, Sun.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Said man, because that's where the cheap flights go from.

Speaker 1 (00:30):

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I mean every I mean I don't try not to
fly anymore.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, every time I've gone to the continent, I'm always like,
why leave from Heath, Like it's like exponentially more expensive
to go anywhere out of there.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
There was the John Lennon statue where I went.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Which one from London?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Are you? Okay? But it could have been a different British.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Guy, just we have a few.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
It was just a statue. It could have just been
a statue of some guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I assumed it was John Lynon because I don't know
any other people from England.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, he's our only man, the only yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
The only person ever.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, no, you have the guy from Wings, the guy
from Wings McCartney.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, interesting, the most roundabout Beatles references.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Was he in the Beatles?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Oh that's crazy man, Hello the Internet and welcome to
season three forty six, Episode three of the Daily Zeitgeist
production of iHeart Radio. You're throwing me off already. I

should just chill for a second. Man, bad, my bad.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared consciousness. It is Wednesday, July tenth, twenty
twenty four. What does that mean? What is July tenth?
Will allow me to reintroduce this day? It's Oh my god,
I don't think there's anything going on today. Oh it's no.

It's National Penia Kalada Day, National kitten Day, Chronic disease Day. Okay,
we do have some of the pop off, so shout
out all of those things, bring awareness to all of them,
and then top it off with a Pina colada, if
you will. My name is Miles Gray, AKA. We need
some Taylor ration colbaar nation in this DNC Mark Paul

Gotsoler skating Gary Payton. Maybe yes, man Blyeth Okay, shout
out to Salvador Jolly. That was touching on one of
the more interesting schemes we've heard about. Replacing Joe Biden
is like, just do like Oprah and Colbert and Taylor
Swift to talk to whoever the new candidate is and
and that will completely reverse the policies of the party

that also need to change. But anyway, that's from Salvador
Jolly to the tune of Family Affair. I gotta say,
rhyming DNC with dancery. I love that. I gotta say,
I really enjoyed that. But look, I am thrilled to
be joined today by my guest co host, someone who
we all know is a wonderful comedian, producer, podcaster, you

know again, multi hyphen it's only in this guest podcast
position host of Bad Hasbara, Please welcome, and it's also
the most moral podcast in the world. It is the
most moral podcast in the world. Please welcome to the microphone,
mister Matt leeb.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Guys, I did earlier that was me because Jack wasn't here,
and also I'm gonna say footnotes, rand there you go
this episode, it's me Matt leeb aka because I'm Matt.
I'm Matt, I'm Matt Lee.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
What's up? That was me? I love was that off
the cuff, off the talk, off the top of the head.
I love to see that.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
You have to understand that I've got a you know,
a pretty storied career of parody songs. Usually you're about
eating butts, in which I use this on a MONOPI
invented for eating butts called lum Yes. And I will
do one of those songs at the beginning of every frodcast.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
But for this.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
One, Baby, I'm talking my own name.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I like that. We love to hear that. Thank you
so much, Matt. And speaking of musical talents, our two
guests today host a wonderful podcast about another musical powerhouse one,
Bruce the Boss Springsteen, New Jersey's very own. I know
very little about Bruce Springsteen aside from what I get
just sort of ambiently from being an American, But after

listening to their podcast, I'm I'm starting to understand things
a little bit better, at least from a completely new perspective,
which I really enjoy. They are the hosts of the
podcast because the Boss belongs to us. Asking the question, look,
is Bruce Springsteen actually one of the greatest queer icons?
Then they have a very emphatic answer to that question.

Please welcome to the microphone, Please live in to the microphone.
Jesse Lawson and Holly Cassio to have you. Oh of course,
and we do want to acknowledge Jesse you are currently
both of our guests are coming live from the UK
right now. But Jesse, you do live near a main

road and ambulance station, so if there is some ambience, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm literally a radio producer.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
That is my job and I have the West House
for requiting it.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
It sounds like you're just in the middle of the street.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right right. We love it. Yeah, it was like, is
that one of those zoom backgrounds where it looks like
they're in a house and they may just be sort
of sitting like on the high road.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm sitting out.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, it's great to have you.

Speaker 4 (05:45):

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Like I said at the top, like I I don't
know anything about Bruce Springsteen. A lot of people like
you'd like a man he's from New Jersey, You're from
the valley out cash And I'm like, yeah, I respect that,
I guess, but tell us a little bit about your
podcast because I also love that, you know, as sort
of in the description of your show too, you also

asked the question why you the host transactivist, abolitionist, DIY punk,
drag king, working class weirdos, What are y'all doing? Idolizing
assist straight, Rich white Man.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Well done forgetting that out in one take. I think
we can never do that in one straight text.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I'm good as a professional dude.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, you can.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Tell, you can tell.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I think you are actually our target audience because I
think we talk a lot about Bruce Sprinksy and we
get very very nerdy about it, and we forget that
actually other people outside of yeah, the myth of Bruce
sprinks and a lot of people don't know about him
and like who he really is, including us. We're kind
of making up as we go along, but we do
a lot of very big, deep dives into who we
think he is.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, I think I would say like that was my experience.
I think one of the so I got into Bruce
Springsteen when I was in my early twenties, and before
that point I hadn't thought that much about him because
he is, like, you know, one of his album covers
has the American flag, right, everyone says that he's the
same as bon Jovi, Like I just like I was like, well,
this isn't for me. And then I had the kind
of like classic experience that lots of people we talked

on the show had where I just listened to one
song and was like, it's about gender, and then I
became obsessed with him. So yeah, I think like that's
something we talk about a lot on the show. It's like, yeah,
there's a real Bruce who lives in New Jersey, and
there's a Bruce that we've projected all of our thoughts
and feelings onto.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
And it's really weird because sometimes you think, like I'm
getting all this queer stuff from Bruce, what on earth
are other people getting? Like you, look, I love America,
Ali Bruce Brigsy and it's like, what version of briefs
are you listening to?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, well I think most Americans things go over our
heads anyway. And people were like, huh so the song
la so I had some depth to the lyrics that
I wasn't picking up on. I thought it was a
really bad guy working in a steel town.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, I think you're really underestimating how stupid we are
as the country. We saw American flag and said, guy,
love Marrat and then we're like, yeah, America is good.
Its lyric sheets.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Did like, yeah, that literally happened, isn't it. Because Trump
passed Bruce Springsteen to play his inauguration. Yeah, it is
about like workers rights and unionization.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Right, we've only had worse too, because like now you
have like every other day, uh, Tom Morello will tweet
something and they'll be like ten conservative reply guys like
oh I missed when rage wasn't woke, And it's like,
how completely in media criticism do you have to be
to think they were?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like your ears work? Right? Have you just heard down
Rowdale a brown skin man says their grandparents buy one.
It's so great? Yeah yeah, well yeah no. The other
thing too, is like just it was fun hearing you
both like discover suddenly it's like, wait, am I the
only Boss fan? You're like no, this is like this

is truly like shared experience, and like I'm I'm guessing.
Like anything, it's always fun to kind of begin to
find your community sort of like in this niche way too.
It must be just only like sort of furthers your
love for the Boss.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh yeah, we we are legion.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
I think that's what we discovered that the podcast is
there are so many of us out there, and I
think secretly we've done this just to make more friends.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Because everyone we talk to.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
There's just so many queer fans out there that hear
his lyrics or see him and don't know whether they
actually want to be him or whether they want to
make out with him. They're not quite sure. There's so
many of us, it's incredible, to be clear.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
The reason anyone starts a podcast is to make friends.
That's just letting you know we.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Are best friends right now.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Like I'm coming to I'm going to
ask to crash at your places when I'm in the
UK next time. This is how friends to me from
the podcast about fifteen months ago. If you remember, I'm
here and I have Nando's, I'm willing to share.

Speaker 2 (09:56):

Speaker 1 (09:59):
You know, or we'll get the meal deal at Tesco
whatever whatever. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
On the noisy, busy street that I live on, there
is a Nandos, so.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh perfect, Well call me, you know, Perry, mister Perry Perry.
The thing. I also got to add, what's like in
your opinion? What's like Spruceting's Spruce Spruce Stings? Yeah? What
Springsteen's like most based song that you be? Like? Man,
people need to fucking actually listen to this track, like
to really just to kind of blow up in your

mind about who Bruce Springsteen is great question.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
So many.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
I mean the Born in the USA is like the
really obvious one that everyone's kind of aware of, the.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
One that's about loving the USA, right absolutely, yeah, unions, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just fucking that flag.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
But like he, I think the song we talked about
a lot on the show is Dancing in the Dark,
which sounds like it's just pop banger. Like it's just
a pop it everyone knows, and it's just a song
about bleak depression and isolation and darkness and queerness if
you want to hear it. But it's just such an
unbelievably sad, deep song that goes on miss because it's

just such a pot banger.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I always thought that was a song about how to
start a fire. It's like, I can't start a.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Fire, spark, is that what you're doing? Yeah? Yeah and so.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, so I figured it was just like teach America
how to make more fires.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
We have that fire in your heart. They're called gender reveals,
and we do them in dry areas to start wildfires.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's I saw one of them in real life the
other day, which I thought it was just an American thing.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
I go swimming with a bunch.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
All of us are trans who go swimming together, and
we were walking down the beach and there was a
legitimate gender reveal party and that and when they revealed,
they were like, it's a boy, and we were like.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
For now, yeah, yeah, keep telling them that. Well, look,
we're going to get to know you all even better,
but first we are going to just give people a
quick peek at to what we're going to be talking about.
You know, there's so much news happening. One of the
bigger stories is the landset. The Medical Journal has published

a study that was counting the dead in goz It's
called counting the Dead and Gozet Difficult but Essential, which
has a much higher estimate than anything I think that
has ever been reported. But when you look at sort
of the methodology of how they came to this number,
it makes perfect sense. Then we might also talk about
how gen Z caught another body. This time gen Z

is killing flirting, according to the New York Post and
many other places, So we'll talk about that, and we
will also because we have some esteem guests from the UK.
I just do want to touch on the elections that
had happened there, but also just this interesting controversy where
like one of these reform candidates that maybe people thought
were AI but wasn't. It's very strange and feels very

much like something we are probably going to experience soon
over here. So we will talk about that and plenty more,
But first we must ask our guests Jesse and Holly,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are or what you're into? Right now?

Speaker 5 (13:07):
I'm just gonna say, because the show is like a
serious scientific research project, I spend a lot of time
googling Bruce Springsteen's lesbian looks. So a lot of my
Google search history is like Bruce lesbian jacket, Bruce Dyke haircut.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
And wait so and their articles or someone is like
here like here are his looks? So like when you
that has SEO hits Oh I love this. Yeah, okay.
When I when I searched Bruce lesbian jacket, to say
Bruce Lee jacket, I'm like, no, no, no, no, we're
not speaking the same.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Well, I want to buy one of those Bruce Lee jackets.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Hold on the yellow ones. Yeah yeah, Jesse, how about you,
what's something from your search history?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I have ADHD and I'm constantly in a trying to
work out how to make myself interested enough to do
boring things. So my most recent life hack is I
basically I really don't like brushing my teeth, but I
know that you have to. So now I just only
ever search toss Master ten minute video and then I
sit and I watch it and I fluss and.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Brush my teeth.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
There you go, there you go, and.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
It really wakes. Would recommend to differend.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, I have a lot of trouble moving my body.
Podcasting and working like media stuff requires a lot of sitting,
and I'm like terrible at motivating myself to work out.
But I've recently hit like a dark spell like in
my mental health, where I realized too, like moving my
body is like a great distraction and a great thing.

Plus I can move my joints that are becoming so
you know, calcified and hardening before my eyes. That like
I just tell myself, like, rather than doing that thing
where you're just gonna scroll or just like stare at something,
move your body because then the knock on effect will
be you will feel better. And I've only recently been
able to use that effectively.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Wait, is that what dancing in the darks about?

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh yeah, shit exactly, just getting out of this thing? Man? Man,
what what's that one layer or something about? Uh? I
ain't nothing, but that's.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
We can relate to.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
That. That's how I feel a lot of the time underrated.
Jesse Holly, what is something you think is underrated?

Speaker 5 (15:15):
I'm gonna say underrated libraries. I'm a librarian and my
day job and libraries are great.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, I love library. Are you also the zine maker?
I am? Yes, yes, yes. My local library recently the
last few years started carrying zines, which I thought was
really cool.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
No way, that's so cool. I wish my libraries did that.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, I thought. I thought. I was like, damn, this
is dope, like like because like you see young kids
just picking up these like really interesting like you know,
obviously like counterculture topics that they're not going to find
anywhere else in the library. But like, yeah, I was like,
you know, what, respect to the zine rack that.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Y'all have so cool?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Doctrinate them while they're young, I love exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, get off the scenes. Aren't woke?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Are they? I'm going to make a conservative scene?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah? Can you imagine? I mean you know they're probably
trying that ship like we need a conservative scene.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, not just a god pamphlet, right, that's like just
I feel like crisis is yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah yeah they make scenes. Yeah. Yeah, they really good,
I mean really good paper stock they used. It's not
quite that diy zine feel those genus pamphlets.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
The kids will see right through that.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, what's the what's the tone of like life like
for a librarian in the UK? I mean in America
in certain places it's become a hellscape because you know
obviously yeah, is I to her?

Speaker 5 (16:39):
That's just had that I saw there's something about you
have to take ID now and if you're under under eighteen.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh yeah, like a recently one library like adopted this
policy and yeah because this this uh state legislature bill
had passed. But yeah, I'm guessing the kids have access
to books in the UK.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Well you say that, that's very optimistic of you. We
lost something like eight hundred libraries during the Tories while
they were in power. So eight hundred libraries closed in
fourteen years. Wow, So no libraries and UK and a
dire direstate. Wow, That's what I'm here to talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, seriously, No, I mean, yeah, Jesus, that's that's eight
hundred in the last eight hundred.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
And I live in an area where there was a
recent article that came out that said my local area
has too many libraries and they might be closing more
of those down. It's just absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Too many libraries is the funniest complaint I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, that's like when you're still like austerity brained. That's
like a conclusion you come to say, well, there's too
many libraries.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, yeah, and what does that mean? Like, how are
we going to save some money? Don't worry about any
other budgets out there, Just let's cut the libraries down.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, there's always money for the military.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's right. Libraries.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
The prison readers have had it too good for too long.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Prison We've got a prison problem. We need to just
convert some of these into micro prisons. How about that? Okay, Jesse,
how about you? What's something you think is underrated?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't know if this.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Is underrated or just has a bad rap, but I
think that karaoke is really good.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
It is a bad rap.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I feel like it's not like cool.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I also think that people only think that people who
are good at singing do you karaoke? And I'm here
on my soapbox to say that the best karaoke is
when you're really.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Bad but really keen.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, shouting as loud as possible to a song as
like the best release of emotions ever.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It is the it is slight, almost a full replace
for therapy. I'd say, like, it's it's cathartic to group
scream a song. Yeah, it is in this way that
I can't. It's so funny that you say that. Now
I'm like getting goosebumps. I'm like, yes, I was screaming
under the bridge recently with a group of people and

like everyone's doing the harmonies, like people were respecting the harmony.
It sounded like you were singing like the Welsh national anthem,
the way we have the harmonies popping and ship, and
that felt like that's power, you know what I mean.
Otherwise I'm a totally screaming like other songs.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
But I cured my PTSD when we all went bomb
bomb bomb during the Caroline. Do you like karaoke, Matt?
I love karaoke, But there's two types, you know. There's
the one that's at the bar, and then there's the
one like in Ktown they have the rooms, yeah, and

it's just you and your homies and like the greatest
food you've ever had, singing do host.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
You know, I really disagree with the rooms.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I think something I love about karaoke is the vibe
of the crowd and people.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, getting behind you, singing love Wow.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah, I can only do the rooms. I feel like
I'm treating it like therapy. That's that's between me and
like a very small group of people.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
That's not for the public.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'm a rumor too, I'm a room.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh really nice.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean I'll get up, I'll get up. I don't
I don't mind, like because you'll usually be with it.
It's not like I go in like solo lone Wolf
karaoke and I'm like, I only have the stage and
then you know, botch my heart will go on or something.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But yeah, I did him.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I came to America on a solo trip, like just
after COVID finished, and so I was like on my own,
and I was like, what will I make myself do
or make myself go to a karaoke bar alone in
every city I go to And it was real fun
and I made friends with people.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Where'd you go? Where did you go to La? You
said you were in La? I did.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
I was in La San Francisco, and then I flew
to Winnipeg and Canada and then to New York.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I remember, do you remember what karaoke bar in LA?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I went to one in San Francisco that was a
live piano player and then he just went up to
him and You're like, here's my song and then he
played it on the piano.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
That was pretty.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It was like a plinky Plunkeys bar.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
But probably I love clinky Plunkies if you're a regular
plinky punk It's my favorite Cilly and Murphy show. Yeah, overrated, Holly,
what is something you think is overrated?

Speaker 5 (21:08):
I'm staying on the library theme. We have this thing
in the UK. I don't know if you've got this,
but we have like community libraries in phone boxes.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Do you have we have like little community like they
look like boxes, big birdhouses where you put whatever you
want in there.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Right, hate them? Hate them.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
They're like really really twee and quane and have that
little bunting around them. And it's just an overrated book
swell for like books that people don't want. So it's
always just like Harry Potter and Dan Brown and crap
that people want to get rid of. They're usually in
towns where libraries have been axed and got rid of,
but everyone's really happy to have this community library.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Makes me so angry.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Interesting, it's kind of like, uh, you know, it's it's
the privatization of libraries. It's like if you want, if
you want to check out books, you have to put
them on your front lawn for everybody to take.

Speaker 1 (21:59):

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Kind of messed up. I never thought about it that way,
but it is how I get a John Grisham.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So yeah, no judgment.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
You know, whatever you want to read, it's absolutely fine.
But that usually as well, Like in quite nice areas,
you don't really get to see this kind of quent
libraries in poorer areas, which I think is my beef.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, No, I totally get that, and the yeah, the
quality of the books. It definitely it feels more like
a receptacle for trash that is in book form, you know,
like because every time we have a couple of my
neighborhood and my partner she loves to read, and so
like every time it might be a book, and it's
always like, man, it's all fucking mid ash trash books

every time.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Three Tony Robbins and a Lacroix. Yeah, why is this
empty canon here?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
There is a full one back there behind the like
libertarian literature, they have the heine Rand and shit, how
about you, Jesse? What is something you think is overrated?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
I think that work is overrated. I don't want to
spend my time stress like stressing about paying rent. I
would love for us to get rid of caps.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
How can we do that? I think AI is probably
our agrees anyone? Okay? What if we all own Tesla's
and then when we're sleeping, the Tesla's make money for
us by being robotaxis society has sounds full proof works.

What's what? What's like the I mean we'll get to
this story a little bit later, but I mean, uh,
you know you've unshackled yourselves from the Tory Party after
fourteen years? What is is there a feeling of buoyancy, lightness,
optimism in the UK right now?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Did you sign?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah? I know That's why. I just always want us
to have perspective on how elections work and like what
the real stakes are that we see I think of
people very similar thinking versus what the sort of pull it.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really tough because, yeah, I
think that it would be great to be feeling happier
now at the total landslide that happened, and you know,
we now have a labor government, but it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Is a pretty central.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
I don't think that me and Holly share that much
politics with this current form of labor. Sure, so in
some ways it's a little bit scary because a lot
of things that were happening under the Tories might still
happen under a new name.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And then also it might be hard.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
You know, there's a level of complacency, isn't there when
you have what is what people say is a left
wing government in power.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right, Yeah, exactly, it's like, let's be it's center left,
let's not get ahead of ourselves at best, and our
Democratic Party is like a center right it turns out,
so it's all perspective. It's all perspective. Well, yeah, it's
I don't know, Matt, we're gonna say something.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Sorry, no, no, I was just gonna say. I still
am stuck on how do you pronounce the new prime
minister's name?

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Star it's cute.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, yeah, stormer. Does he have like personal security guards?
And are they called stormtroopers?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
You should write to him.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
I saw that would get a bitter laugh than it did.
Just let everyone know I.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Was very proud. I was a big swing. It was
a big swing.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Sometimes you take a big swing on this podcast and
sometimes you miss.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. You just sent me like the bang bang bang emojis,
Like I keep sending.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
You fire fire over and over again. Fire as fuck, right, dude, troopers.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I saw a clip recently and I don't know if
this is since I doubt it since he's become prime minister,
but he was like in a locker room and like
apparently this is like after playing football, and someone was like, hey, uh,
Palestine man, what do you think was that? How old
is that clip? And he was sort of like we
need a ceasefire and they're like, well, don't you do something?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
I mean, I mean yeah, I mean he has cooled
in the last twenty four hours, which is like truly
all of us were like, don't say anything, like it
wasn't expected, and so that you know, that's cool. I
guess yeah, minimum, yeah, minimum.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
And he also sacked all the MPs that previously called
for a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
So there's like he did.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, Jesus, there was a lot a wee page
before the.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I would really love to get the bare minimum though
here you're really sick if we could get the bare minimum.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, but we get the version of like when a
parent is like being like nagged by a child, like yeah,
uh huh uh huh just one second. Yeah, right, So
now people are like.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's jettous.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I know, daddy's gonna and daddy knows and daddy knows,
Daddy knows and daddy knows that, and that's bad. That's bad.
But we're not going to use that word today. Okay,
it's a curse word. Yeah yeah, what gosh, Well, we're
living off scraps, baby. You know, there's in so many.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Ways we can't even get in a lie guy to
be the Democratic nominee. Yes, just fully alive would be nice.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I know, it's so direed man like just to look
upon those what our potential future is. Anyway, let's do
that off mic, so we don't bum everyone out, and
we'll be right back after this and we're back and

there you may hear the trash guy right now, Matt
was saying, there's any trash banging again, we like to
have offer full transparency when it comes to the sounds
that you may be hearing as we have the show playing.
But anyway, the first story I wanted to get to
is is pretty big. It's it's from the quite esteemed journal,
the Landset. They just published a study, like as I

said at the top of the show called counting the
Dead in Gaza Difficult but Essential, which estimates that the
quote true death toll could reach more than one hundred
and eighty six thousand people. That is obviously exponentially more
than the thirty eight thousand that we hear being quoted

most of the time, because of course that number doesn't
take into account the quote thousands of dead buried under
rubble and indirect deaths due to destruction of health facilities,
food distribution systems and other public infrastructure. That figure is
actually a conservative estimate, as the Lancet said, it was
calculated using four indirect deaths for each direct death. But

as they said in this journal piece and other other conflicts,
indirect deaths range from three to fifteen times the number
of direct deaths. So this is the again the conservative number,
and that would amount to almost eight percent of the
total population in Gaza. Right now as it stands, the

CIA director Bill Burns is headed to Doha to continue
cease fire talks. This feels like a headline I've read
every other week when they're like they're the people are
trying to appease everyone who's absolutely outraged by the situation,
to put it lightly, And on Sunday, Hamas said it
was waiting to hear from Israel on their latest proposal.

So I'm not sure where this lands. But again, one
hundred and eighty six thousand is what they are saying
is a more realistic death toll given all of the
infrastructure damage. And again, like the way even the media
in the United States is like, oh wow, buildings are
toppled in Gaza, and it's like and those are and
people are inside, people inside of very important information.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And it makes total sense. I mean, you know, like
this this count that we've been getting, which is coming
from the Gaza Health ministry, is just based on bodies
that are identifiable and accounted for that have been directly killed.
People have been killed by Israeli bombing and gunfire, and
it makes total sense that, of course the indirect here

it's going to be where a big mass of the
body count is eventually going to be reported. In fact,
the United Nations just now today released a press release
that says UN experts declare famine has spread throughout the
Gaza Strip. This is according to the United Nations Human

Rights Office of the High Commissioner. And so it's like, yeah,
like this, this number that keeps getting trodded out feels
like it hasn't changed for a lot of people. Yeah,
we're like, haven't we been saying like thirty five ish
thousands since like January?

Speaker 1 (30:37):

Speaker 3 (30:38):
And yet every day we see more and more videos
of this destruction and we're stuck on this number. And
it just you know, for anyone who's been paying attention,
you just sit there knowing how much worse it actually is.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And it's people willing to engage with the news and
not sort of look away like I think most people
tend to do because it's horrifying. But again, this is
these are sort of like the stakes I think that
people have to understand when you look at like how
a government works and what you wanted to do or
not do. These are the kinds of things that factor

into it. And I know, like again, like you look
at the polling for the support just in America for
actually having some kind of meaningful ceasefire, it's overwhelming. Yeah,
And yet again, because we have a military industrial complex
that needs constant feeding of funds, this is what we get.
And this is like, you know, and I think a
lot of there's so many it's not just even in

like armed conflict. I remember even with Hurricane Maria right
in Puerto Rico, there was this amount of deaths that
the sort of US government was sort of like and
only like if you like, maybe a couple of people died,
but when you actually really look at the entirety of it,
the lack of power and access to medical care and
like clean water and things and what that actually did
for other people, it was much higher. And I think

people really need to take this to consideration, or at
least I don't think anyone listening to this show is
like I'm on the fence about what's happening in case.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
But you know, I think what you said about the
military industrial complex is really important as well, because it's
like I don't think it's a tool meaningful for the
head of the CIA to go and quote unquote cool
for a seaspire when America is selling that many arms
to Israel.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Right like that, do you see what I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Like, that's your money factor in if you're well, I
profit from this con ye.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And he would be clear in saying, Oh, i am
not calling for a ceasefire. I'm trying to broker a
negotiation in which we eventually get the whole permanent seaspire
taken off the table, and which is kind of where
it's at right now. Yeah, that is where it's at.
The proposal Hamas has actually agreed to take out the
first demand of a permanent sea spire in favor of

all the other demands. And it's just like, you know,
we just keep going around in circles until somebody with
power in the United States admit.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Could that be?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, that Israel is acting in bad faith at all times?

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah? Really, well that leads us to our predicament here
with the presidential race. Just just what polls are meaningless,
but they're they're fun to just talk about because obviously
they they never actually end up the way you hear
about it.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Oh, but it's like fantasy football. Let's have a good time.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, it's a snapshot of what a couple maybe
forty five people are thinking that they pulled and then
extrapolated that to the entire populace. But a new poll
showed that Biden is trailing Trump, but in the same amount.
It's forty two to forty three percent. But because of
the speculation around Biden staying in or dropping out. Their
survey also looked into how other Democratic candidates would stack
up in the election, including Gavin Newsom, Michigan governor Gretchen

Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who both came out behind Trump. But
you know who ran ahead of Trump forty two percent
to forty one percent was Kamala Harris. Hey, guess what
when you pair Kamala Harris with Hillary Clinton, it put
Democrats quote in the strongest position, beating Trump forty three

percent to forty percent. I this feels like such a funny.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
We're gonna lose. Let it be funny, That's what I say.
Come on, oh.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Man, well I mean again, Also, this feels like the
absolute kind of thing where like the Polster class is like, man,
just get something out there that really shows like anything.
But this could work because we were cheerleading it the
whole time, but now suddenly we're feeling the heat because
we were the ones.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
That were keeping this guy here.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Oh oh gosh, I honestly don't know how you're cupping
because when we had our election, they have like six
weeks build up to it. But you guys have like
a whole year of this, don't you We.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Had two years? Yeah, so much because everything is about
again generating as much money as possible. If you're allowed
to campaign so far out, that means everybody from the campaign,
like strict Tjery, you know, industry, they start getting their checks,
the polsters start getting their checks. That's like, that's what
it's all about. And yeah, I mean like I wish

we had like more again, like we've also deemed that
corporations are people that have a legitimate voice in our election.
So you know, do with that what you will. Yeah,
but like you know, other countries have like you know,
harder rules, like everyone has the same budget, go and
you have the same amount of time go. But again,
because we are that's on americocracy, built on you know,

corporate kleptocracy. It's yeah, it's point difficult. Unfortunately, how do
you guys do it? You guys have one of them parliaments?
Is that right? I used to do drugs out of
those Yeah yeah, cigarette never mind, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's not like the cocaine cigarette.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
No, but yeah, I mean, how how what is like
sort of the your election season? Like what is yeah?
How like how quickly does it sort of explode and
then fade away? Because we're slowly being boiled over here.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
It's like six weeks they announce the election, You've got
six weeks to prepare. But obviously, the way things have
been going to, everyone's knew that an election was coming
up anyway. So I thinks I've been moving around and
it's just NonStop debates, waterwall pols, news headlines. But six
weeks of that feels more bearable than a whole year,
two year cycle of that that's just non stop.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah yeah, Well, I mean we have a huge chunk
of our economy is election money. So you know, true,
you have to keep into account that if you shorten elections,
you know what are Pundit's going to do for the
rest of the four years.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
You know, what are they going to talk about? Sports policy?

Speaker 4 (36:39):

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Well, if Biden doesn't win. Then you can always start
a really blanned podcast with Bruce Springsteen when he comes
out of office.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah together, Yeah right. Oh gosh, that was a wild one,
wasn't it did.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I like to think that doesn't exist. I wiped it
for my brain.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
What did you make of that? As Boss fans?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I have not listened to it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Can't you even bring yourself to listen to that? Well?

Speaker 5 (37:02):
We had to listen to it for research purposes. I
was looking for a quote and I had to say
three ten minutes of it and the most insipid liberal nonsense.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's just nothing.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
It's just no one's saying anything on that podcast. No
one is saying anything.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Right, right, right, Yeah, that's the and that's the thing
about that.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Uh huh. And I want to I want to listen
to this and just tune out.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I want to. I want to listen to it and
stare at a blank wall for a while.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I mean, yeah, yeah, sleep gently.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
This is like I think this is what's so wild too,
because I hear from older people too. They're like, I mean,
you guys gotta fit, you know, you gotta stay, you
gotta get in line, you know, and and support like that.
This candidate. And there's there's a huge dimension that is
always missing from the discourse around how younger people look
at a presidential candidate these days is we have had
like back to back to back economic like souplexus that

broke our fucking and souls, and when we look at
only increasing inequality, we're becoming so much more aware of
the prison industrial complex, over policing, the mismanagement of funds
and where they go and who it supports. That everyone
is now being like, the status quo is fucking violence.
Like people don't understand that. That's like, that's my default position.
The status quo is violence. And I know that for

a you know, a very fortunate few, life is very
peaceful and you have no existential threats to your personhood
or anything like that, but for many other people that
is not the case. And like to not acknowledge that
sort of like anger, frustration, fear that exists and just
be like, well, you know, we just got just just

to figure it out, don't worry about all these other
things you guys are crowing about, just get behind the candidate.
It's such a fucking slap in the face. And I
wish like there's a way that, like, I mean, you know,
at the very again the bare minimum, right, could be
the Biden campaign being like, look, this isn't a great
fucking deal here, and we understand that a lot of

shit can be better. We can you know, maybe we
can try to do some stuff, but trying like it's
nothing like that. It's just being beat over the head
with like, well then you want fascism, No, we fucking don't.
That's why so many people in their communities do what
they have to do to fight that off.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Kind of seems like you guys want fascism, being that
you are willing to just lose an election to Trump
because all of you are too afraid to put your
own careers on the line well and back a different candidate.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
You know, it sounds very so much to what we
just had in the UK as well. I think everyone
was I think the last six weeks had just been
feeling so guilty that we don't vote labor, then we're
voting in fascism. But right that it's like saying that
people say, isn't It's like you're voting the lesser of
two evils, but forgetting you're still voting for evil at
the end, of the day. Like, it's not you're not
voting with herp in your heart. You're not voting with
an actual choice. You're voting because it's slightly less fascist

than the big fascist. But yeah, when labor on actually
offering an alternative or opposition, then that just allows fascism
to grow even more. So what is the point in that, right?

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yea, And that's what's so exciting.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
I know we can talk about it more later, but
that's what's so exciting about the election results in France
is that it was like a left wing, a genuinely
left wing coalition that like surpassed the two party system.
And that's a really really exciting thing that you can
actually vote for something that you do believe in.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, the videos of all the right wing French people
like studying for the returns to come warming absolutely ashen faced.
I was like, oh my god, Yeah, this is what
I have to hold on to as my country falls apart,
and so be it. At least I had that. But yeah,
I mean, like that's the thing we we understand, many

people understand the stakes. No, I'm not voting for Donald Trump.
I'm not going to ever support him or his or
his candidacy. But unfortunately, I'm like, well, the only other
option is this other thing. But I, as a voter,
feel completely unheard on so many other issues. That's where
my resentment comes in as a voter, because I'm like,
you guys fucking wore Kinte Claudes in the capitol talking

about you were going to do something about over policing
and white supremacy. You've made all these fucking noises about
the pandemic and people's safety, and then there's like all
the fucking safety measures got pulled out from under people
you're talking about. There's so many things on the agenda,
and I get that there are other things that happen,
but there are a lot of voters who are like
come from these marginalized groups, or people are just looking

at their own situation and say the status quo like
will actually be the end of me? Like if things
keep going as it is, this will be the end
of me. So I need to hear something different, And
a lot of people resent the fact that the only
thing they're hearing is well, you better get or you
want fascism. It's that that's so fucked up, Like you
have to acknowledge what people are going through. And it

doesn't mean you're conceding the election by acknowledging these things.
But this is and I think this is a situation
where I think Americans have become so used to being like, well,
I have to vote for the Democrat because that as
a binary, yeah, that's the better decision. But they're also
for the status quo, which still means death, which means violence,
which means inequality, and that is like the biggest things

we're trying to contend with. So anyway things are going
right over here? How do you just get that off
my chest. It's just very it's just a difficult time.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
And it's just not a choice, is it, As you say, like,
that's just not no, that's like, yeah, no one has
any agency there.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
The other way too, I look at it is like
to be more involved in local politics and more things
involved with your community. Guess what that the gains that
you can make would look easier if the Democrats kept
the White House versus the Republicans taking the White House,
and then what that means like just downwardly just in
terms of an overall policy. But even then it's like

that's that's the most like some people can like latch
on just like well, at least it won't be worse.
And I think that's just such a different beats like
positioned to be trying to to change the country from that. Yeah,
it's it's a it's a huge issue. It's a huge issue,
and I really wish that, I really wish our capitalist
overlords would take the ills of capitalism seriously.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh maybe if we ask them nicely they will.

Speaker 1 (43:18):

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, Yeah, there's like it's a tough one as well,
isn't it. Like I don't I don't know about the
US and the UK, there have been some studies that show, like,
you know, big lobbying organizations and places like that like
do a lot less under a labor government than under
a Tory government, even if similar things are happening, because
there's this like perception that's senter left is like safer

and better. So it's like a it's a hard balance
I think with that as well, where you're like, no,
we actually still need to like really keep mobilizing and yeah,
taking to the streets and.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Doing all the things that we were doing under the tour.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, because I'm I'm under not I don't think anyone's
under the impression it's like it's it's going to be
a top down solution here. It's like, no, that's why
you have to pour into things like locally, because that
that's your immediate environment. Joe Biden doesn't give a fuck
about North Hollywood or the San Fernanda, doesn't give a
fuck unless he has a fundraiser there. But like the
people that do, those are the people you live with,

and those are the people that you need to have
the bonds with to you know, resist any kind of
real bullshit, like you know, totally like federally organized bullshit
that might be in our future anyway. So uh, let's
move on to flirting good exact and you know what
that guy does. We like to violent, jarring fucking transitions. Baby.

But anyway, ten Z, look, I'm glad, like millennials, we
are officially washed and have become the hollowed out husks
of what was once considered cool. Gen Z now has
the mantle and now y'all are the generation that is
killing an industry or destroying this custom whatever the fuck

used to say about us. The latest body that gen
Z caught now is that they've fucking it's the end
of flirting. They have killed flirting. I really want to
read this New York Post opening paragraph because the New
York coorts post very conservative, really fucking stupid, and this
is how they This is like their sort of vibe
and talking about a gen Z killed flirting quote. Liking

an Instagram story or sliding into someone's dms are ways
to express romantic interest in the digital age, but technology
may actually have made it harder for singles trying to
score a date. Gen z ors especially struggle to master
the art of flirting in an era of social media
and dating apps. Quote. I think flirting is dying. Los
Angeles resident Nikki san Janco's twenty four told NBC if

someone thinks you're cute, they just ask you for your
Instagram these days and then DM you or swipe up
on your story to show they're interested. The state of
dating today has been described as exhausting, as women online
lament the nightmares difficulties of trying to find a man
night marriage bro.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
It's like Freddy Krueger up in my dms?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
What the fuck is this? Like eighties rom com narrator
version of society. It's like Kathy's just a woman trying
to find a man. Yeah, Like the article mostly bashes
gen Z like sort of painting them. It's like just
super awkward and so online, Like they don't know how
to even talk to another person. And I get the
social anxiety part, like we even it's as millennials, we

also have that. Yeah, but like buried in this bullshit
is like a line about how younger people are opting
to try and just date in person since apps are
so shit, and that's I'm like, oh, there's there's the
nugget there that you want to kind of pull out
what they're doing, is there? It sounds like maybe they're
moving towards something a little less like koy and superficial.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, the author of this is mad that people don't
send dick pics anymore. Like that's what it sounds like.
It's like they haven't they've lost how to do the
art of flirting. AKA when I send a picture of
me touching my balls and I go, do you like?
And then they don't respawn.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
And then like and then the local police constables knocking
on my door. I don't mind any of this, Like, yeah,
it's also just sort of like because I feel like
in the eighties and nineties, Like my brain was absolutely
poisoned by eighties and nineties media that did not actually
show how human beings interacted in a romantic capacity like
I was. I was truly like, bro, you will die

alone if you don't have the smooth pickup line. I
don't know how to. I remember being obsessed with fucking winking.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to learn how to wink good.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh yeah, that was what was your smooth pickup line?

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I didn't have one. I was so fucking I was
like at Luckily, by the time I got to like
high school, my whole thing was just being funny and outgoing,
and I realized that was like that'll that'll bring the
that'll bring the boys to the yard. As Calice said,
you know what I mean my sense of humor. But yeah,
I never I mean, like I would say stuff corny.
The one thing I did like in the digital phone

age is if I saw, like somebody I was attracted to,
like trying to take a photo, I'll be like, oh,
let me take a picture. Let me let me take
that picture for you, and then I will put it
on selfie mode and I would take a selfie of me.
I still do.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
That I don't know if actually maybe I won't say
his name, but there's like a pretty famous, like celebrity
pundit man who I went saw at a conference and
I was celebrity.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
He's giving you opinions away.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
He's like, then, like he's roughly the same age as me,
and like we probably share friends.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
He's like in the same social circles. But I was like, no,
you know, I had a couple of drinks, so I
wasn't my best self. And he gave me his phone
to take a picture of him and all of his mates,
and I.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Truly just took so many pictures of myself, and then
he gave it back to me to do it again
because he was annoyed, and then I did it again.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, I really really haven't grown up that.

Speaker 1 (49:02):

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Like at that point, it's not even flirting. It's just
it's just hilarious spite and inside yourself.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Ye hold it, you guys are nailing it. Keep doing that,
keep doing that, you keep your legging your lego uh.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Again, keeps giving it back to you, like do it better.
You're like, okay, now I'm just gonna tweet some ship.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
The funny part is like even though I would do
ship like that, they would be like oh ha haha,
Like I had no way to transition from that. Yeah,
I'd be like, yeah, all right, I gotta go, and
I'm like, fuck, that was so fucking anxiety to do.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
So I did step one, but I forgot there's more
steps after.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah. I was just like, did that part be a
little be a little cutesy with him, the talking part,
because it was it looked like weird. I remember, like,
you can never be like I like you. They wouldn't
even fucking murderer. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
And I get pretty happy that gen Z have killed
flooding then, because all of this stuff just feels like harassment.
It just feels like a waste of everyone's time. I'm
very happy if I get a nice TM or a
heart on something it can help us.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I like that exactly. I think, like I said, kill
flirting because I didn't know how to do it and
he didn't do anything for fucking me. But after going
to therapy, guess what, Voicing my needs and being straightforward
with people actually has done a lot for me. And
if that's how we communicate, that would actually I think
it's better for us in the long run, rather than
being so fucking coy. It's like exhausting.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, you got to learn to flirt with yourself, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Thank you, dude.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
That's the most healthy way of doing it. I didn't
have pickup lines growing up. I think I had a
long obsession with I have to get a dog because
someone years ago told me that's the best way to
pick up chicks quote unquote. And then eventually I forgot

that's why I wanted a dog, and I just became
dog obsessed and I was like, I can't get a
girlfriend until I get a dog.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Then I was like, I just have to get a dog.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Look, yeah, now I just love dogs.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Do you have a dog? No? Oh man, I already
have a wife, but you have family. So yeah, in
a way, you made good. You made good. I made good.
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, amazing. All right, let's take a
quick break. We'll come right back to discuss just the
Reform Party in the UK. Just are they up to tricks?
Are they not? I don't know, but it's a lot

of weird shit and I want to talk about it
with y'all after this and we're back and you know,
while those of us here in the United States were
just queuing up the burgers and dogs and you know,

setting off Diablo fireworks that were basically military great explosives.
Two big elections happened in Europe. In France, uh Marie
la Penn dude, that far right National Rally Party came
in third place. Oh and the looks on their faces,
looking at like spank passes when they were like it

was a while watching people process like the results, or
they're like, wait, so worth, we're lave, We're last? Is
there another? Is there oliby an update? And it looked
like some people, some people had been in politics long
enough you be like, all right, we're cooked. And other
people were like is the I'm sorry, I'm new. I
just I'm new to xenophobia. Can I speak? Yeah? No, no,

get this off, change the channel, where's the right one?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
And then or whatever they say.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
But in the UK, the center left Labor Party toppled
the Conservatives, the Tories who have been in power for
fourteen years. But also it wasn't all good news. Uh.
Nigel Farage's Reform UK Party won five seats in parliament,
including one for Farage who this dude has been taking
NonStop l's for a while, and I was like, he's not,

Oh he's oh he got a seat, okay, oh okay,
but yeah, they only had five seats, scored five seats. Again,
apparently Reform garnered fourteen percent of the popular vote, which
is that's that's too big. Yeah, But here's this is
where things got like a little weird or interesting, right, So,
like right after the election, people were asking, like, you know,

the Reform UK party, like what's going on, Like, what's
what's going on with like some of these candidates, Like
are you running actual human beings? Like are these real people?
Because some of the people on the on the website
are just like names and like a constituency and not
much else, no photos, no biographies or things like that.
And you know, the Liberal Democrats then called on Reform

to provide details about these mysterious candidates, and that's when
they sort of conceded. Look like a lot of these
were like what they call paper candidates to just help
increase the party's vote share, so even if a candidate
had no chance of winning, they still got some votes,
boosting the overall popular vote and giving the party a
cent of legitimacy, although a bit inflated.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Can you explain what a paper candidate is? Though it's
still a real person, right.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
It's there, a real person, but it's usually someone who's
not based in that constituency.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
So they're just.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
They're from a different town completely, you have no connection
to them, but they'll end up on your ballot paper.

Speaker 1 (54:17):

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Then just do they know that they're running?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
They usually do.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Yeah, I think they've got heads up that they're running.
But people in that town have no idea who they are.
They haven't seen them before, they don't turn up for
debates and things like.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That, right, and so, and they're allowed like I mean,
they call them carpetbaggers in the US, and you're an
out of town or running all of a sudden. But again,
this is just merely for the thing of like, well,
if we put somebody on the ballot from that party,
we can get a little bit of votes, and then
that helps overall to kind of be like, yeah, look,
we're here, we're here. Yeah. So one of the concerns

that people had this is where it gets so stupid
and AI begins to intersect with all of this, is
there was like one of the candidates. They're like, is
this a real person or a photo? Mister Mark Mattlocke, Yeah,
because not a real guy.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
I know.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
It seems like an AI generated conservative.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
AI generated attorney.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah this is Mark Spencer. You're like, hold on, dude,
what do you do? But because the photos he didn't like,
he didn't appear in person at the vote count on
election night, possibly because maybe he's just a hallucination of AI.
He looks like, I feel like one of William and
Kate's children grown up.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I was gonna say, it looks like the Milky bar
kid grown up.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Oh who's the milky bar kid?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Now, maybe that's a British thing.

Speaker 1 (55:43):

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Yeah, it's a British candy bar. And it's like a
little kid with blonde hair and glasses and blue eyes.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Is it like a milky way or is just.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Milky just milky? Yeah, it's just milky.

Speaker 2 (55:54):

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I gotta find this milklky bar.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Get that's him, milky bar guy, all growns up and
running for parliament. So the picture I like, even yeah,
looking at it, you're like this like, he looks like
he has rubber face.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Is as like.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
A real Uncanny Valley appearance to.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah one hundred percent, and then Matt Locke responded by
claiming that he wasn't at the vote count because he
was at a hospital with pneumonia. This is what he
posted on exactly, I had pneumonia in my human lungs,
you know, so.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Just side note, please don't be offended. But that's the
only British accent I could do.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
It's you're like a You're like a guy who didn't
get cast as an orc in Lord of the Rings. Like,
I don't know that guy's doing too much for the
boys all that. I think that's the one scene Americans
really glom onto when the orcs are talking about not eating.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Right because we all have meat and it's back on
the menu.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
I said that quote every single day to really my
favorite quot.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Exactly everything to eat in, free, stink and die.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
It's all going, keep it going, accepted editions, Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
You are not for eating about their legs? Are you
fresh teeth? Oh my god? So Mark Mattlocke, the real guy.
He clarified on Twitter what was going on quote. Unfortunately,

I will not be attending the count tonight as I
have pneumonia. The hospital I visited was closed before it's
closing time. I said to the nurse on a buzzer,
I am struggling to breathe, and she said, call a number,
vote reform. This is madness. This is like a fake
anecdote to just be like a last minute rally cry

for votes. What can you break down for me? What
the fuck? He was even trying to say here, I
don't know that it is confusing to everyone.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
So the hospital was closed before he before he got there.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
That like a dig at the NHS or something.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
I think it's fat enough to say that, Yeah, I
think he's.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Gonna yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Is not real.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
It's very clear that this is someone who this is
like an AI going what's the most like human disease
I can have? And it's like, oh, pneumonia, because you
need to breathe to have pneumonia.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, like so what the other thing is interesting too,
because like this felt felt like a very like gork
or whatever. The fucking Twitter AI chat right right yes,
where people like kept casting aspersions on whether or not
he was real. He responded to one of the people
on Twitter said, quote, keep smoking the crack pipe and
wondering what sexuality you are, which feels like such a
rock or gork fucking thing like Elon musk brained, like yeah, transphobic,

fucking drug abuse or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
To be honest, this picture this candidate Mark Matlock. The
picture looks kind of like an AI version.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
He doesn't have Elon's eyes yeah and jowls. Yeah. Well,
he turns out, at least according to The Guardian, I guess, well,
we'll believe what they have to say. It turns out
he is a real person. But the photo was AI generated,
he said, because according to him, he wanted a photo
where he was wearing a light blue tie to reflect
the party's color. But that's what potographer. Yeah, he couldn't

get a photographer on time.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Literally, his eyes are two different colors in this photo.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Zoom in. Oh well yeah it is a gradient.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, we see the color of his tie in the No.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I feel a little bit of big everyone, you know,
like he did his best. But I'm guessing in England
it is accepted that Mark Mattlocke is in fact a person.
We've we've closed that chapter.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
I mean, I think it raises some questions because I
think there's a lot of reform candidates that people just
didn't see or know about, and it's a bit worrying
that they got as many votes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
As they did.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
But I'm not convinced this guy is real. I'm not
convinced any of them are real.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Well, it kind of like begs a wider question, which
is like our fascists human and to be honest, well tell.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Oh, well we'll end it on that note. Holly Jesse,
thank you so much for joining us on the Daily
zite Geist. Where can the people find you? Follow you,
listen to your wonderful podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
They can find us on any podcast platform where everywhere
at the moment. New episodes come out every Tuesday, and
you can find us best on social media. I'm at
Holly Cassio on most things, and Jesse, I'm at Jesse,
j E s s E lou l o U Lawson.
And just to say the name of a podcast again,
it's long. It's because the bus belongs to us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Oh I may have not even said that fully at
the top of the show, and I apologize, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
You did, just because people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Sorry, it's it's been a long week. Just started exercising
and it's taking up all my blood. Flow good for you.
Is there a tweet that you all are liking, or
another work of media, social or otherwise that you want
to share with the class.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
I was actually going to say, I've really just been
enjoying the videos of the right wing party in France losing.
I've been watching that video every single day this week
and it's just given me so much joy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Yeah, there's about like three different ones as I found, like,
they're all they all have their.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
I'm watching a montage of all of them at the moment.
It's on TikTok and I just it's just it's just
so love.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Watching the light go out of their little eyes. Ye's dolls, Jesse,
how about you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Am I allowed to say a film? Does that count
as absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I was just gonna in just a slightly cheesy way
because it was it's just finished being five months. There
is a film about a bit of British history that's
called The film is called Pride, and it's about lesbians
and gay support the miners, which is an activist group
that formed in the eighties. There was like a really
long there's a year long miners strike in the nineteen
eighties and yeah, this group of queer people from London
were like, oh, like the same police, the same government,

the same conservative attitudes are oppressing the miners as are
pressing us. And they did this thing up Quis Solidarity
where they raised money for this mining reviligi in Whales
and if people, which it sounds like they are, are
feeling depressed about politics and feeling powerless. It's a really
nice film to watch to like give you hope.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Basically I need some of that. Yeah, I mean, look
we got us. That's the mantra basically till the very end.
Matt again, thank you for joining me today. Where do
the people find as you follow you, what's a tweet
or other piece of media that you're vided with?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Thanks for having me and you can follow me on
Instagram at Matt Leave Jokes and listen to my podcast
Bat Hasbara, the World's most moral podcast. It's about Israeli
propaganda And a tweet that I've been loving is an
image that Lauren Mackenzie at The Mackenzieist posted recently. It's

the distracted boyfriend meme, but instead of the the boyfriend
is a tongue next to him. His girlfriend is a vagina,
but he's looking at a butthole that's walking. It's a
beautiful drawing and I just, I don't know, just touched

the spot in my.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Heart like I thought it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
It's just a very distracted boyfriend tongue looking at a buttons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Like that, And that's all I ever wanted. I'll ever
need it. It's here in my arms, me me for real.
Some tweets, I like, I don't know if y'all caught
the fucking Miami vice discourse on Twitter. That's the whole thing.
But someone just posted this like video on TikTok because

someone was talking about the Michael Man Miami Vice video.
Someone on TikTok posted this is from the TikTok user
is at Cooper Flew the Coop and it says the
masculine urge to look around stoically in a nightclub like
you're in a Michael Man film, like I have fun.

I neat fun right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
That is gen Z flirting right there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah exactly. Sigma Ship hell yeah. And another two that
like at alone in a boy band tweeted this fucking remix.
It says not like Us by Kendrick Lamar, but it's
goth and it's fucking where do we get the ship
going to sale black one to them and then love

just make sure you have a little sister from Oh
my God, get.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
You honey down plan who Okay, y'all get get that
ship in your fucking body too, because that shit fucking
bags That is really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I gotta say that, that's a fucking perfect aesthetic. Anyway.
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Ride out on And I had a song I was singing,
but ever since I saw this sweet you just go
to at a loan in a boy band on Twitter.
We'll have the link in the footnotes, but this not like,

but goth just goes so fucking hard, so we will
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