Debate Me, Child! Rainbow Fish CANCELLED?! 07.01.26

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
One recipe I saw said six to seven minutes on
the dot. I'm like, well, which is it six or seven?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Like, literally, is that sixth seven?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Rude to get out of here, get out, kick him out,
kick him out of his own pot.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Six seven, six seven. There was a one of my
kids classmates at preschool. She just had like a little
sister be born. And I'm like, and I'm friends with
the parents and I just saw them after the born.
I was like, oh, I heard the baby was born. Yeah,
And I was asking the dad, was like, when was
your daughter born? He's like, June seventh, man, don't even

(00:43):
war And I went like this. I looked at him,
and he just looked at me, and he went six seven.
He had to complete it forty. But the real key
is you do it in a shot, like maybe an
inch of water and you put your eggs in cold
from the refrigerator.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You're still talking about six seven.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, this is how you have this. If you want
to have a child be born, if you want to
if you want to guaranteed the birthday of six seven,
this is what you gotta do. You're gonna smash in
about an inch of water. Okay, come out there, refrigerator cold. No,
you take you take like an inch of water and
like a saucepan, and then you put the eggs in
like get the water boiling eggs out of the fridge

(01:22):
in there. Put a lid on.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hey, put a lid on it.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sick sick. Depends on how jammy, that's the thing. It
just depends on how jam you like. If you like
a jammy, that's six. If you like a little more together,
that's seven. If you're like it in between six thirty.
And then immediately in the ice bath the second the
timer goes off in the ice bath.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's also my like recovery routine, just.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
A little bit steam yourself then getting an ice bath
right away.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah meat. If I like a little saucy.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, yeah, a little gee goes in there, you know
what I mean? Oh, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hello the Internet, Yeah yeah, yeah, it's me. It's me,
and you're here. It's season four forty five, Episode three
of The Daily zey Gey is a production of iHeartRadio.
This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
into america shared consciousness through the news. You already know
that and if you've been listening long enough, and if
you're loyal and you real Zichang, you already know that.
Every Monday we got the Iconograph episodes dropping where we

(02:25):
take a look at the ZiT guys through the lens
of icons. This week Uncle Sam came out on the horizon,
just so you know, we just wrapped up recording an
episode came out for Oh No, No, No, for anything.
You remember, Uncle Sam was jerking off at the fair
as we as we reported, and he got arrested at
the fair because I was just more like a.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Straight man, honestly.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, Uncle Sam para definitely straight because he also had
a wife too, Like he had like a missus. We
get into all that in episode It's out right now
it's with Robert Evans, get into it. We just wrapped
an episode about one of my favorite musical artists per okay,
we will say her name properly. I also just watched
an episode with like an interview with her and Lady Gaga,

(03:07):
where like it's just so funny because you know, Lady
Gaga is usually doing the most ship, not when you're
from when you're around she had like a fucking funeral
veil on and she was like why do you ever
feel like a marionette or like a puppet, and like
it just.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Can you be fucking normal for it?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
She was like, fuck, girl, I don't even know what
the fuck that means. Yes, that's how you.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Know New York is like a real one and Lady
Gaga is putting on a character.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Look, you're a great performer, Lady Gotta. But that's the
thing I realized too. I really learned through like the
research that Jack and our writer Jam did about it. It
was like she is so singular in so many ways
that it's actually mind blowing, and I think it is
worth commending NonStop. Anyway, that's every Monday. Check those out.
They're fantastic. Anyway. It's Wednesday, July fir. There's twenty twenty six,

(04:01):
and that means it's International Joke Day. It's American Zoo Day.
For whatever reason. It's Blink one eighty two day. Why
is it blink one eighty two day?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Is that July one into the year?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
There? Guy there? Wow, Okay, okay, blink when it's exactly
what it is. We're one two days into the year. Yeah.
Also shoutout cant numbers. It's Canada Day. Also, Shout out Ghana.
It's Gona Republic Day. You gained independence in nineteen fifty seven.
I know that only because I've been at Gana before
and I had a jersey that set fifty seven on it.

(04:34):
Also National Ginger Snap Day and National Postal Workers Day.
Shout out the fucking postal workers because I see you. Yeah,
it's hot. It's always man and always be good to
your postal workers, your postal carrier.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I love all the videos of them making friends with
the dogs.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's cute. Yeah, especially when like they know
the dog's name or I've seen ones where like you
can see the evolution, like this dog used to not
fuck with me, and then it's like three weeks later
the dogs like wagging his tay will be like yeah, anyway,
I'm Miles Gray aka Miles takes a knee for Peep
dripping down his zin seem because he got uspup for

(05:12):
Jay z H Shout out to Flash Hardcore. That's from
Ace Trump. It's by the clips one of my we
were talking about yellow diamonds look like PP and that
was in relation to my anecdote about how I did
pee my pants at Coachella because I was too upfront
near the stage for jay Z and I couldn't. I
couldn't get ahead of your time to ahead of my time.
My parents haven't even met yet, you know what I mean.

(05:34):
That's also a bar. Anyway, shout out to you Flash
Hardcore on the Discord I think that's the first time
I've read that name. Welcome to the Discord Server. Also,
I know y'all want in on the Discord Server. I've
been really busy. I've been taking care of the family
stuff like that. Her Majesty has been sick. Send me
your request for in Discord Server. I will try to

(05:55):
see it and keep spamming me. I will fucking get
to it. Okay, there there is I will get you
you in trust me, trust me, trust me. If you
want the Discord invite, let me know. Anyway, I am
thrilled to be joined in my guest co host spot
by a fantastic comedian biomedical engineer. Do I get that
right this time?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yep. Biomedical engineer could have been a doctor, but instead
is now a fantastic comedian, a fantastic podcaster. You can
find her on her comedy show Facial Recognition. July thirty,
first at the Comedy Store, Second Screens Comedy Show. If
you like Brandy, you know Brandy Posey. I know Ziching
folks with Brandy Posey. They do that together. That's July
thirtieth at the allegianed Vault and then the new podcast

(06:37):
Millennial mood Board with Valeri Tasci and Jasmine Ellis. Please
welcome one of my favorites and one of yours.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Polyomgod dollarg.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Okay, I don't have an AKA today, but I do
have a fact check from Rizzo Jenkins. The largest cat
that purs is the cheetah. The larger cats roar due
to skull size. If it roars, it can't per and
if it purs it can't roar.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Whoa were talking about, like.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
How fucking sick a tiger on you? It can't, but
we can wow?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh because what's but what counts as a roar? Like
what about when a jaggars? Wow? Is that a roar? Yeah?
But but che doesn't, right, because you know, I've heard
a lion roar that's not like a no. Because when
they were when they were making the I feel like
what the sounds for Jurassic Park, they were like, this

(07:28):
is a lion roar as part of the t rex.
I'm like, that's a lion.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's why you didn't hear a pterodactyl perr because they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Get it from I see. I love like little I
love facts like that tough.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
What that's where they like no, no, no, they have that
other sound they do where they're like they're.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like, oh oh oh, I'm not around large you know, predator,
Get around large possy mine so stupid. Imagine that currency,
bro you know, around big giant pussy. That's what I'm about.

(08:06):
Giantic broke scares me, levels dog anyway, that's broke the fuck. Hi,
welcome to the show, and please welcome our guest in
the third seed for the third appearance. Get them the
whatever jacket of their choosing they want, because that's I

(08:29):
guess when you're on three times, that's a milestone. Our
guest is just not only an intellectual, fantastic podcaster, public speaker,
professor Okay, we got professors here, queer cultural critic, and
one of our favorite guests. Please welcome for the third time.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Was what an honor, what a pleasure?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Welcome back or.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Now you know all my identities? Look at that third time,
I'm so many things.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wrapped in on exactly, you're just and look and you
still you're still yourself despite it all.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
This is when you said, Byork, I thought that was
that was my icon growing up. It was the most
hurt really because I think when I saw her, I mean,
I love it.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
You said that she's so singular.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I thought, this is a person who has drilled down
into their style so aggressively, and I think I thought
to myself, like, oh, I should figure out what my
thing is like when you see that, when you see
somebody who's not trying just being herself, you're sort of like, oh,

(09:40):
that's my job. Like one of my closest friends, Taylor Black,
he wrote this beautiful book I think I've mentioned on
the show before called Style a Queer Cosmology, and he
basically just says style is becoming more yourself and less like.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
A yes, can't buy it Exactly.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
It's a form of rudimentary differentiation.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
It's like a basic form of distinguishing yourself, and you
don't really need to try at it because it's literally
you just inhabiting whatever's already innate to you. And he
says even boring people have a style, Like some people's
style is to be boring.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah yeah, and it's like.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
You have to figure out what yours is and then
you have to sort She really is my model of that.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Oh yeah, she's fan I mean like everything about her,
her from her just you know, she was like a
star at from like eleven years old and was already
on like the most gangster art like artists arc Like yeah,
they're like the labels wanted her to do another album
after her first one at eleven, and she was like noah.
She's like, I want to I want to keep playing
music just on my own. They're like yeah, yeah, we

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need just.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Like no, She's like, I'm sorry, I'm going to retire
to this teddy bear stomach and finish my album.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah yeah. The crazy thing is I've like I sort
of end the episode talking about this, But I think
the thing that's so beautiful and is a lesson to
all people, right is like we so much let the
external opinions and factors affect our internal level of being
in our own like our own solitude, our sense of peace,
when that's really like you're in control of that internally

(11:12):
and byork does not let the external affect the internal.
She operates me purely from her inside and let's not
come out. And that's what's I'm like, that's a fucking
that's an artist right there, that's a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
That's an amazing model for how to exist in the world.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, And well, and you know, get the thing where
people are like, she's fucking weird, dude, what's the fucking
dress and like that she shed we talk about like
swan dress and what her whole you know, motivation with that,
and it was just her being like, I don't know,
I just thought it was funny, bro ya.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
But also I feel like that's inherently queer is to
be weird and thinking that, I know, and to like
to break down these like strange structures that we have,
even if they're implicit in our minds. Like that's what
like queer culture is to me, is to like deconstruct
this compartmentalization that a lot of artists are able to
do just by being themselves.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
So you are anticipating my overrated today, so putting in that,
we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Definitely come back to that.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
We're about to come back to that. But first Ramsey,
we're going to tell people what we're going to be
talking about today New Jersey Representative Tom Keane Junior. He
was missing for almost four months from Congress and he
just emerged, and we'll talk about his reason that he's
asking sympathy from the public for about that why he
missed so much work, well, you know, like the business

(12:34):
of comments. Yeah, he was like, I was trying to
nail Sincere's hairstyle and I just could not do it.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
It came out and it.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Was like I was just finishing up Paradise, you know
what I mean. It's not going on then the American
for just checking in with the American Fair again, because
every day there's new highs and lows to sort of observe.
This time, I'm just taking a look at the crowds
kind of what some of the programming is like, as

(13:05):
well as talking about the fireworks show that's going to
happen on the fourth of July, because Trump may not
have been lying when he said this is going to
be something unlike anyone has ever seen on Earth.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
He's gonna set fire to the White House, a man
after my own heart.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
We'll see, we'll see, and then we'll check in with
the Rainbow Fish because it's being turned into a movie.
But it's that's really not the big thing. I didn't
realize that the book from nineteen ninety two is has
actually it's been canceled. We want Yeah, well we'll talk
about it, just about sort of toxic sort of lessons
that were maybe we're teaching our children. So we'll get

(13:40):
into that and other things. But first, Ramsey, what is
something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

Speaker 5 (13:46):
It's so embarrassing, it's nothing cool you guys, emerald green
mesh crop top.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Okay, you're definitely wearing an emerald green look like miaka
joint you got exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
So we're doing like the high and the low. I
usually wearing easy, usually wearing a plate.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
But I am gonna go to a queer rave in
the woods at the end of the summer, which is
very unlike me, and I need to look slutty and.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Cute as you.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, did I What do you find it?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I did find it?

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Yes, under armour makes such a thing, and so does Adidas.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Feels very very hetero to wear a under armor thing.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
But I have to say their stuff is looking really
ch and cute. This little orange shirt that I'm wearing
is under armour.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Neon or what if you what happens if let me
just search Emerald Green mesh Marina.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, it's already in his cart.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
The last one of them trying to get in the
right size.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's the nit Jamaican like Caribbean joint, the mesh Marina,
you know what I mean. So like I feel like
you could find a mesh like that's the other I
was just, ok, I'm going to do that, okay Marina.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah yeah, Harry, don't implant such things in my head
because I will get on a mission.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Check out the mesh Marina because that I'm.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Like, I'm gonna have to get the best marina ever made.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, is that the mesh Marina?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
I know, I'm crazy.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
It is caught on the street wearing a full Miaki
ensemble in New York City. It was like the first
time that I've ever been stopped by like an influencer,
and I did like a video, like he did a
video of me. He was so sweet. Here's this guy
named Preppy Pete and I was like, this will be
no big deal whatever.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And he is followed by one hundred and seventy thousand.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
People saw your your whole outfit.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Myaki dorkiness was fully on display. But I loved I
lived for it obviously. I mean, yeah, you're not even
get dressed.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
You're never lacking on the fashion side. Randomy, thank you.
What's something you think is underrated?

Speaker 5 (15:50):
I'm also gonna be really dorky right now. Reading ready
so under hilariously don't read and they don't realize what
they're missing. Number one, Reading is therapeutic. It is totally
emotionally regulating. I have to remind my students all the
time when they don't do reading. I'm like, why are
you so anxious and freaked out because you don't ever

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sit and calm down quietly.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
And worlds within your mind?

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Thank you? Number one.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Number two, just like the feeling of learning something you
didn't know is so empowering.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I just taught.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
I teach a workshop at the Esslin Institute twice a year,
which I highly encourage people if you ever want to
study with me and be nerdy for a week. It's
the that Saline Institute is a wellness retreat, and so
people are not used to studying anything there.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
They usually go there to do like yoga and meditation
and all of this stuff.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
But it used to be this like amazing place of
intellectual change between like psychologists and people who do therapy
and philosophy and all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
So they're inviting more academics to do stuff there. And
every day.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
I just decided like thirty pages of reading, like nothing,
like really tiny, and then we watched them we would talk.
And the nineteen people who signed up for my seminar,
it was like a five day workshop, they were like,
I have not been intellectually challenged in like fifteen years,
like since college or whatever. They were so desperate for

(17:16):
exchange of ideas, like to engage and talk. And my
mom similarly, it's like she never was a reader, and
now in her late sixties, she has way more time
to read, and it's like the greatest joy of her
life is to sit with a book. I've been rereading
a lot of the things that changed my life when
I was in my teens and twenties, and I'm like,

(17:36):
I can't believe I read this much when I was younger,
because even as a professor, you sort of read less
sometimes because you're just teaching stuff you already know of it,
and then you're trying to read new stuff so you.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Can incorporate it into your class.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
But it's just it's astounding how healing reading is. And
it's just amazing to me the inability of people to
just like sit down quietly and engage with a book,
even for twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
It's such.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, it's just to watch adults in my adult learners
in my class be like I loved reading just thirty.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Pages a day.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
It was really I was just like, oh yeah, it's
talk about reading is fundamental, honey, yeah serious.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I saw this comedian I forget that gang find him.
He posted a clip of him being like every like
the world is crazy. Every woman I know is reading
as much as she can, and every man I know
has lost thousands of dollars on Calshi like.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's like a wild Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, and also too, like younger people I was just reading,
like how precipitously just reading rates are falling like with
young kids like too, like they read less and less
and less like at least I don't know, like I remember.
For me, comic books helped me appreciate regularly books a
little bit more, because at first I used to read
just like first I would read manga like Japanese Mama,

(18:53):
So that's how I learned how to read Japanese as
a kid. And then like then I was like it
doesn't have. Then I was like I was like on
this whole time, it doesn't have. And then you get
to like around eight years old, got into like some
other you know, pee wee Scouts, so they're just like
kind of like young kid type book things. But it
really was like one of those things that I definitely
had to like keep reminding myself how much I like it,

(19:15):
because it's so easy to get caught up in like
other things, or you feel like you're tired and like
you don't want to do it, but to your point,
it's it's the thing. Like that's why I really love
nonfiction because I love the feeling of like reading a
new thing and going what.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Is totally like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I have like a stack of like six different books
I'm part way through.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I also believe in reading unsystematically, like when you set
yourself to this optimized idea of like I have to
read every one of this or I have to read
every page or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Read a bunch of things, see what you love?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
There are certain books that I'm like, I have to
read this cover to cover, I can't stop. There are
certain books I read half of it and I'm like,
I think I got the picture. It's like you figure
out a lot of the reasons people don't read because
they don't know what they like. Yeah, I mean, so
it was after I had spent years reading six hundred
and eight hundred page fantasy and science fiction novels that
I started reading comics.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
So the comics came after I developed my literacy, and
they're really amazing and challenging.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
And I think for me, yeah, wait, what were the
comics that you got into?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I got into like just random ones like A Bitch
Planet too, like amazing, Yeah, just like some different ones
that my friends recommended to me. But like I definitely
I have a similar theory where I call it dumb
bitch reading, Like you read not to learn, it's solely
for your own comfort and entertainment. And I also think

(20:41):
this is why a lot of women read romanticy because
it's like world building and then like lata pieces of
smut that make a feel faithe and comfortable in our sexuality. Yeah,
all my friends in their thirties we all read Romanticy.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
And you get that it's also shared, right, iTANs like
a social thing between you. It's like the minutes somebody
mentions comics, everybody's like I read comics.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I read comics.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
And the idea of the bookstore, Like I in the summers,
I go to the bookstore almost every week for an
hour and I just look around and I see things
that I love and I'm surprised by stuff, and I
and you know, like I buy stuff all the time.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
My shelves are filled with books I haven't read, but
there's always just stuff to look at. Yeah, I mean,
I'll say one thing about this.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
So there's this fantasy science fiction writer named Tad Williams
who is very very famous written these huge series, and
he wrote this series called other Land that is one
of the most extraordinary works of literature I've ever read.
It's four parts, each one of them is like six
to eight hundred pages, and it's about the idea of

(21:46):
this group of psychotic rich people producing a virtual reality
world that they're going to escape into. And it's about
a group of peeop of like tech workers. Like the
main character is this incredible black woman living in South Africa,
who ready Silhouea, who's like a virtual engineer and she's
a professor. It's about how they get trapped in that

(22:08):
virtual reality and are trying to understand.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
How it was created.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
It's like this book in the nineteen nineties is anticipating
the Epstein class. It's anticipating social media because what little
by little, what you begin to discover is that children
are sort of involved in the making of this world.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I don't want to give anything away, that's like right at.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
The beginning, and so the lives and the attention economy
of children is being wrapped up into this virtual world.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
It anticipates everything.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
About the Internet, about how it's going to be unevenly
distributed based on class, but it's also about these virtual
fantasy worlds that people produce. And I reread it and
I it is the first time as an academic I
ever read something and I was like, I want to
write the screenplay of this.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
I want to actually write this for a TV.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I think it's been optioned before, but I don't know
if it got picked up.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
And I mean, it doesn't matter whether I do it
or not.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
But that's just to say to the audience to go
back and reread this book and to be like, no,
wonder this reshaped my entire brain when I was seventeen
because it was so ahead of its time. It's so brilliant.
No one talks about it. They talk about the wheel
of time, and they talk about all these things. And
I'm thinking, like, there's a billion books you've never read,

(23:25):
Yeah that you completely change your life. And all of
these movies that you're watching when you're not reading, the
video games you're playing, the movies you're watching, the IP
all came from books.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Yeah, like all of it.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Came from literature, So why not do all of it?
You know, read books, watch movie. There's nothing like reading
an incredible book seeing it it adapted to a movie
where the movie is so distinct that it's really doing
its own thing.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, and both are amazing.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like usually adaptations suck, and every once in a while
a good adaptation like Station eleven is an incredible adaptation
of a solid novel that I liked but I wasn't
obsessed with. And then the TV show is like unbelievable
and I'm so glad it is a life change or
somebody said just said just so yeah, like I it's

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the TV show. Actually I think you know, with all
love to the author is better than the novel, like
by far and like I but to see that it
could do that, you wouldn't know if you didn't read
the novel, like you want to see all the different
versions of it.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
So yeah, go to a bookstore and get lost and
by because your.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Libraries the library exactly?

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Can I say, like I had a thought when we
were talking about like the literacy crisis, I'm always going
to link this back to reality TV. On Love Island,
there were like cases where it was clear that the
these are all like the Zoomer the the generation that
went through the pandemic on zoom like in their formative
high school college years, and so they're lost. Yeah, so

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their vocabulary is like interesting, It's like clear that Dave
like read the word and they're trying to use it,
but they haven't really had a chance to be they
haven't had like classroom discussions and stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
So like since you're used the words at potome.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah instead of epitome and then and then jen us
come promise instead of compromised.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
So yeah, so there.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is like a whole thing where I think, like our
generation is we're trying to like dive back into books
because we're seeing this literary crisis and book clubs and
like this book club and no Name and like like
I think like all of that is like we kind
of fear this lack of literacy because we know that

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that's where ideas start, and that's where.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I really do think.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
I mean, like the the constant talking trash on gen
z as like not literate or whatever is really like
it fails to acknowledge that you guys really are noticing
what's missing. Like young people are like, oh, my imagination
is limited because I'm not reading, or I'm not watching
movies enough, or I'm not whatever.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And I think that there is a push to expand.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
And one thing I remind people as a teacher, the
biggest problem is that nobody teaches young people how to read.
So what I mean is not literacy, like how to
read words on a page right, like we I mean,
God bless our education system, but like it's still hanging
on by a thread. I'm talking about like I have
to explain to my students. I'm like, you do know,
when you sit and read, you need to sit in

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a well lit place.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
You need to be sitting up. You need to not
be on your stomach or on your back where you're
going to fall.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Asleep, because it's not a sleeping activity. You should probably
be surrounded in an active place. Sit at a coffee
shop where it's quiet enough where you can read, but
there's still activity going on and people are doing stuff.
Like I have to explain to students how to create
the context of reading. Your phone needs to be on
to not disturb, it shouldn't ding, it shouldn't vibrate, and

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you set a time limit.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
You say I'm gonna sit for thirty minutes today or
I'm gonna sit for forty five.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Do you know how many students come to me after
I give those instructions at the beginning of an advanced
college class and they say, nobody ever explained.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
That to me before. Yeah, they're like, nobody explained that.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
And second a bunch of them come to me and
they're like, I thought I had ADHD and I realized
that I literally just don't.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Create the context in which I could pay attention.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, I was just sitting there with like five TV
on a radio.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
And the practice of focusing because it is a skill
and you have to like practice.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
I lose it every year. I remind people like I'm
halfway through the summer. I traveled most of the beginning
of the summer. I'm writing a new book. I have
tons to read. I have not been able to sit
and read because I cannot focus. I've been like compulsively
shopping for my trips. I thought compleats, I just like
I need more pleated shirts. But I think I retrain

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myself every year, Like I get back into it in
the middle of the summer and I'm like, oh, now
I need to be able to like sit and read
first sort amount of time.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
So it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Also, I just want to point out that I think
you thought I was gen Z and that's incredible. I'm
the youngest girl in the whole world. Millenniuennial, I got
blown millennial.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Full blown FBM. All right, let's take a quick break
and when we come back, we're going to figure out
what Ramsey thinks is underrated right after this or no, overrated,
overrated right after this, and we're back, Ramsey, what is

(28:43):
something you think is overrated?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Being normal?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Being normal and whatever that is.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
People and trying to get people in positions of power
to like you or to think you're palatable is disgusting
and horrible and soul destroying and I'm so over it.
And the reason I say this is because today one
of my dear friends set me a New York Times
op ed written by this guy named Matthew Vines, who's like,
he's the author of this book called God and the

(29:10):
Gay Christian The Biblical case and support of same sex relationships.
He basically wrote this op ed piece where he's like,
I'm gay, not queer.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
There's a difference, and he goes on this huge ramp
about how the attempt to turn.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Gayness, the idea of same sex desire, into this broader
notion of queerness, of being resistant to social norms, like
the idea that many queer people started to say, it's
not just that we like the same sex, or that
we're trans or or whatever. We don't want to conform
to the social norms of a society that is homophobic

(29:45):
and transphobic. He says, the more and more we did that,
the more and more the society hates us, and the
more and more we've lost our case for our civil liberties.
We've made the category way too broad, and we've lost
the idea that gayness is not a choice, because the
more that you argue for queerness, for critiquing social norms,
the more you're suggesting that it is a choice.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
And I'm like, it is a fucking choice.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
It is.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Every single decision you make every day is a choice
you make about how you want to relate to the world.
You could be born desiring the same sex and still
choose to live as a gay person every day, yeah,
or yeah exactly, or to choose to be a straight person,
Like you're choosing how you want to articulate your identity

(30:33):
at every minute. And I think this is such a
disgusting argument. That's like, it's such an overrated argument. That's like,
if only we could be more normal, those straight people
would like us more and they would keep giving us
our civil liberties. And it's like, no, the culture they
come from.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Is corrupted to its core.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, you know what what did gay people gain in
gay marriage? Many civil liberties, sure, and also a fifty
percent divorce rate, and also all of the stress and
the anxiety of that. Nobody ever questioned whether or not
the rights of marriage should be given to everyone, regardless
of whether you're married or not.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Right, like, so this idea that's like I'm gay but
not queer. Girl, you do you and let queer people
do them.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Or like we're lgb not LGBT, Like.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
What is Sadly He's like, the more capacious it became,
the less compelling it is, And I'm like, no, the
genius of queerness is it says none of us actually
successfully live up to these norms.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
It says you think.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
That gay people are a niche subgroup, a subculture, but
in fact the way that we struggle to feel normal,
all people experience this, including straight people.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
That's the point of queerness.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
It's to remind you that gender transitivity is not only
a problem of trans people. It's an experience everyone has,
including sis gender people, because nobody ever feels one hundred
percent comfortable in their skin all the.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Time, right, So, like it's a big tent for a reason.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
It actually makes people feel that they're included in the
queer world.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Why do you get to own gayness just because you
fuck men?

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Like chill out, it's just solus.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't get it, Daily Tucci.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Technically straight still gay okay, solutely?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
I mean I just I want to include people in
the big.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Tent and I just don't understand why the only way
you can make an argument for the rights of gay
people is to say that we were born this way.
Why if I chose to be gay, so fucking why
It's a free fucking country.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I'm not destroying the social fabric of the society just
because I'm not doing it the way that you want
me to. So I just that those kind of arguments
for a normality. That's like, but let's just make them
hate us less by being normal. And I'm like, they
hate us just as much for trying to be like them.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
They hate themselves, Like that's the problem because like they
have never had to or refuse to or pushed away
interrogate their own like sexuality and queer.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Like correct this straight sis.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
People have never like had that conversation with themselves, and
that is like a huge problem that they've imposed on society.
It's their reaction to not accepting themselves totally.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
And by the way, what has the idea of queer
culture done. It has granted more and more people in
the society gay, straight, by non bin and near, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
The opportunity to ask is this the way why I
want to live my life. Yes, is this joyful? Is
following the line of heteronormativity? Joyful?

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Does it bring me everything I want? If it does, girl,
more power too.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
If it doesn't, you don't have to. But I love
like something I thought when I read that op ed piece,
which maybe what I should say is the New York
Times op ed section. No, no, everything they published is ridiculous,
but it made me think of what the queer theorist
Eve Sedgwick says. She has this amazing essay that is

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called How to Raise Your Kids Up Gay, and she
says the debate over nature versus nurture is ridiculous because
whether you chose to be gay or whether you were
born that way, does it matter if you're in a
fundamentally homophobic society. If the society hates people that do
not conform to heterosexuality and you say we were born

(34:24):
this way, the conservatives will say, well, we're going to
figure out the gay.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Gene and then we're going to elimitate a.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Limited existence, right And if you say, well, I chose this,
they will send you to gay conversion camps. She's like,
tell whatever fucking story you want about being gay. Your
fight should be to make a world where in which
the existence of more gay people is a good thing.
The idea of fundamental sexual diversity would be valued. And

(34:50):
she says, in a world like that, if you want
to say that you were born this way over here,
more power to you.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
If you want to say you chose it, more power
to you.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
If you want to say that God gave it to
you and it's a gift from the universe, more power
to you.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
She says. We should have more stories, not less.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
And when I read this, op Edd, I'm like, this
is the fundamental American problem, which is that we want
one story to explain everything. We are so incapable of
dealing with genuine diversity of thought, diversity of human experience, uncertainty,
the idea that everything, every identity, every term means more

(35:27):
than one fucking thing, right, And like, yeah, just did
you like the word gay doesn't mean it's the only one.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, And like justifications for human existence is a distraction
from the inclusion of those people.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Beautiful beautifully said, It's just yeah, it's like the exact
same patterns of like white supremacy too, you know what
I mean? Exactly it's all of it is so backwards
and it completely ignores like the bigger picture of like humanity.
But hey, if that's what you need to power your
argument to say this makes me better, these people less than,
and that's your fucking problem, because you know what exactly,

(36:05):
people like marginalized people, gay people people a club. We
have access to shit that apparently y'all don't exactly and
scholars for them.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Derek Scott would say, we have resources in the form
of the emotional capacity to survive and withstand being made
inhuman right, Like part of what we've done is we've
developed superpowers to live with and through and past being
made to feel that we mean nothing. And you know,
to have people who are among our own community saying

(36:37):
why don't you fucking settle down, Why don't you just
reduce your identity this one thing? And I'm like, why
isn't there room for all of these different ways? If
you want to say that your identity is defined merely
by the fact that you like having sex with other
men and that you are in a loving relationship with
a man, bless you girl, love and light, and if

(36:58):
other people want to do it differently, so what why
does why does the struggle for our humanity at a
political level need to need to be a zero sum
game between these.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Moves, right right, and like and also like on the
terms of your oppressors too, which is like it is
going to render liberation in Spanish, there it is.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
It's a queer people are queer theory is the probably
I love it.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
He talks about queer theory in it, which is a
subfield of interdisciplinary study and the humanities, right, and I
love the idea that's like, so you're saying, like a
group of a few hundred academics writing over the last
forty years about sexual diversity are like the reason the
culture Like really okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Back to see it's reading villainizing.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Reading, get it rip. We don't have that much power.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
We really don't like and and it's absurd, Like you
should be so lucky that queer theory came along and
gave people an amazing vocabulary to demand their humanity, right, Like,
that's what we did, is we gave four generations of
young people a language to claim the diversity of their humanity.
And if you don't like the way that it plays out,

(38:12):
come up with some other terms, right, if there's nothing
new with saying why can't we just be gay? They
finally got got good with gayness, right right right?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, and no looking non binary baristas for you, bitch,
get out of our coffee.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's how you feel, all right. Well, the news is
also out there, but this has been fantastic conversation, Ramsey,
you always bringing it.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Oh we're on TDZ, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
No, I mean yeah, the day. But this is this
is everything. I mean like it's it's this is like
what underpins the news, even especially with the Supreme Court rulings.
Everything like this is we are constantly finding ourselves at
the whims and wills of the oppressors. And you have
all these conflicting theories or strategies tactics to how to

(39:02):
circumnavigate all that, and it's like and the respectability shit, no, no, no, no, no, I.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Know it's so cliche. I'm just like, Okay, we've done
this a thousand times, let's keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
We're not going to use their tools to bludgeon ourselves further.
That doesn't make any sense. But uh, GOP Representative Tom Keane,
I just want to talk about him because we've been
checking in on this guy from these the New Jersey congressman,
he's missed one hundred and sixteen days. Wow, and has

(39:35):
not and just first missed out and said like, yeah,
I'm kind of I'm sick. And then later on they're like, bro,
it's been like forty days. He said, I got a
medical issue, and when I'm recovered, I will return and
I will explain further. And people were pointing at their like,
but there's like based on like financial records, like you're
using ubers, like in other cities outside of your district,

(39:56):
you're doing stuff. It doesn't seem like you're in one place.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I just feel like you're being ablest right a mile.
You could just let the congress people like disappear and
not show up.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Sure, sure, of course, of course. And look he returned today.
We almost made it one hundred and seventeen days. He
capted it one hundred and sixteen days in the year. Yeah,
and just spoke directly, you're just.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Trying to make Kamala one hundred and twenty seven days.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, he almost did it. He had some explaining to do,
as we say colloquially, and this is uh, he's just
letting people know. Yeah, I missed some time, but I
want people to understand why I did it. And it's
just interesting because keep in mind, this is somebody who
constantly votes to slash healthcare, to take away people's Medicaid, Medicare,

(40:43):
things like that. So this is Tom Keene explaining this
is why I've been gone.

Speaker 7 (40:49):
Several months ago due to health concerns, I entered the
hospital for some testing. I did not believe that this
would result in a long term stay. I was given
diagnosis of depression. Now when people hear the word depression,
many people think simply feel it means feeling sad. But
depression is so much more than that. It is physical,

(41:14):
it is emotional, and twil you experience it yourself, is
difficult to fully understand how powerful this illness can be.
The doctors recommended it that I remain in the hospital
to address my illness. They explain to me that this
would be the fastest way to recovery.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
He goes on to sort of explain like, sort of
using like, and this is affecting a lot of people.
Now when I hear this, part of me is like,
I mean, obviously, anybody, I'm not gonna trying to be
insensitive because depression is a motherfucker and I'm sure most
of us know how serious it can be. But there's
something there's just something something so odd about like his

(41:56):
caginess around explaining himself the movements that he's been doing,
like saying he was where you hospitalized the whole time.
And but really the thing that really gets me is
that this motherfucker got the audacity to cut people's health
benefits by being a rubber stamp for all of Trump's
budget cuts and austerity measures all over the place, then
ask the public to be understanding of his you know,

(42:20):
absence in office because he said he was hospitalized with depression,
which sounds fucking serious if that's really the case. But
it's like then I'm like, man, it must be nice
where you live in a country where you can take
off almost four months of work with superior health care
to most of us, like in this country, still collect
your salary and still come back for your job and

(42:42):
ask for understanding. It's just like this, It's just another
one of these moments where like, it's the lack of
empathy that I see from the right, and then I
then they come out and say, like I've actually been
dealing with some stuff like I immediately just be getting stupious.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Exactly, you just nailed exactly.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
I mean this, this is the conservative playbook, which is
to act not human, to say we're above ordinary humanity,
we are morally righteous, we are angelic, and then to
absorb and borrow and steal the language of humanity from
the people who have been developing it. To hear someone

(43:20):
so naively talk on the floor of Congress about what
depression is, Mitch, We've been talking about this for forty years.
It's like people in two thousand and eight who became
QAnon members later shocked that the housing market imploded and
are like, oh my god, the housing market is so
unfair and it's a Ponzi scheme.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
And it's like, yeah, people who've been.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Doing housing struggling.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
Yeah, for housing equality have been arguing this for fifty years.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
So instead of saying we are joining late to.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
The conversation and would like to combine forces with the
people who believe in mental health, they appropriate the language
and say.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
We discovered it now. So that's what you're That's what's
what's rubbing you.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
The wrong way, is that you are actually deeply sympathetic
with people who struggle for mental health, and you're like,
who the hell are you guys to claim it for
yourselves as.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
You know, you're or like or it's or as if
it's the one time, it's like, as if it's the
one valid example of someone having depression, and be like, well,
of course, I mean if you need to take one
hundred and sixteen days off of work to sort that out.
Even though I'm like, this feels like this story, there's
a lot more going on than what's actually happening. That's
why I'm like, I'm gonna I won't fully cast dispersions

(44:34):
on it right away, but part of me, like I
look at and I go, hmmm.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
You hospitalized for one hundred and sixteen days.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
For unless yeah, unless yeah, unless something furious happened, and
then I don't know if you had to go to
some kind of mental health treatment FISTLE or whatever whatever
that path was. But to me, it just some because
you also do see people tactically deploy this sort of
like oh, this thing happened to me to sort of
just paint over what ever. You know, Uh, the dereliction

(45:03):
of duty has occurred, but we'll see because I have
a feeling that this story's going to keep developing or
the other crisis will just hit and then everyone will
forget and they'll just be like, yeah, man, you have depression.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
They like, they also will employ these justifications for like
their absence or whatever. But simultaneously, if you were to say, like, oh,
trans kids might kill themselves if you don't include them
in things like sports, then they'll be like, well, that's
not a good enough reason.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's the true right.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So it's like the end result might be they you know,
they are all for you know, health care for depression,
but then they like get cape who gets to claim depression.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
I mean again, it's the fundamental like, but we don't count.
We're separate from everybody else. We're better than we're unique.
I mean, I kept thinking the other day The Daily.
This story that we're talking about really reminded me of
The Daily. The New York Times podcast did a whole
episode about RFK Junior's kind of new mission to d
prescribe to get people off of SSRIs right, And there's

(46:02):
an element like part of what's weird about him is
that there's always like an element of truth at the
core of every one of his projects.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Sure, Like you're like, we aren't over.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Prescribed, right, he doesn't care about medicine and he doesn't
actually care about expertise or any of that. And all
I could think was like, why is nobody talking about
the idea that maybe people like RFK Junior and people
like him in the government have made life such a
living hell for people that they don't feel that they
can get off of our eyes, Like, wouldn't you if

(46:31):
you've had one hundred and thirteen days of depression?

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Did it ever occur to you.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
That the conditions that people like you have helped create
in this country are making people depressed.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
No, because that would make me feel more depressed than
my doctor said, don't do that kind of exactly. I'm
just hiding into my own ignorance. Yeah, it's I mean,
and it goes again like this is sort of fundamental
to conservatism? Is this they've completely excised, like the idea
from their minds that they're vulnerable in any way? Correct,
because all of it is based on in vulnerability of vincibility.

(47:01):
So the moment they they do intersect with some vulnerability,
it's I'm like, hold on, man, I had it, I
hadn't my my kids were premature. I have to disagree
on this one time, mister Trump were like people suddenly
they're able to sort of access the idea that they
are vulnerable. But all of the policy, yeah, all of
the policy is sort of underpinned by the idea of like, well,

(47:23):
we don't give a fuck because we're not vulnerable, exactly,
and that's got to be a terrifying place to be.
Were you horrible?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
I wonder that's so depressing.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yea, cause the second anything fucking touches you the wrong
way you are, you're gonna be fucked up exactly. Just
we all have to admit we're vulnerable, we need help,
and that's why we need to extend that to other people.
It's just like a basically, you know, part of human
decency or human right. Anyway, moving on, Also, because it
the American the Great American State Fair is well underway,

(47:53):
and a Monday was our first Maha Monday, because this
thing is happening for like multiple weeks, so on Mondays
the theme is Maha Monday. Still not sure what that means,
although I think I may have an idea from some
of the clips, the clips that we've seen so far,
we were talking about it on yesterday's show. Pretty pretty

(48:14):
poorly attended, and it seems like, if anything, I feel like,
based on the clips I'm seeing, there's more people there
out of morbid curiosity rather than like patriotic fervor. They're
just like, dude, is it as fucked up as I
think it is? It is? It is? There's I just
want to play a couple of the clips. One is
of Dean Kine and Doctor Oz pretending like they're like, man,

(48:34):
it's a great, great event we're talking about here. Shout
out to the just shady TMZ camera person, camera operator
here for like while they're talking about the event, just
doing a quick pan around the empty field. So here's
doctor Yes, the one who is trying out for ICE,
the one that the one that couldn't get into ICE
and not know this.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh yeah people.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
You guys and Kevin Serbo a shitty improviser to that's
what I've heard.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah, oh I'm so naive.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, yeah, you know. Dean Kane was like, I'm going
to sign up for ICE and they like they showed
a clip of him in the training he couldn't.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Do, was having a hard time.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
He was so passed, and I'm like, well, you know,
your Superman is.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
To ask the Presidential Fitness Test, like you.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Would have done a lot better based on I think that,
I honestly believe. I think that in his mind, he's like, well,
I did play Superman, therefore I have Yeah, I had
been viewed with the powers of Superman. But here's doctor
Oz and Tean Kane just talking on a casual mohamuday.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Fucking nightmare, blunt rotation packed.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Great American State Fair, take it away.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
And it's because there's tons of people here.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
People what.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
You you can't even like real how few people there are.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's it's like in the world. Yeah, I'll let them
keep playing because they're like, oh yeah, it's a really
great turnout.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
I have a lot of people here.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
We have a lot of people want to have like
Station Garrity that will be the next go under a Pennsylvanie.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
And it's because there are tons of people here.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
It's a huge anyway they keep there's like twenty people there,
yeah there and like most of them. I like saw
this like clip of this woman. They have like this
weird like wallpaper that makes like some of the columns
look like three.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
D, but they're yeah, it's not it's all flat. It
might be Amanda Moore who's she's posted a lot from
Ye but like all of this, I know.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
They they don't like us touching things, but let me
because of the reflecting pool. Oh like but she touches
it and it's like an acme like Wiley coyote backtop.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Just like yeah, yeah, they've just been printing out stuff
and then like nailing it on h staple iting onto
like like plywood, like for the Trump's arch, Like there's
columns and stuff. There's like sculpting and stuff and really
interesting intricate sort of designs. All of that is just
flat one like just one dimension just wow anyway, or
two dimensional anyway. So then we have also had some

(51:09):
really some interesting powerhouse conversations. Michael Knowles from I Believe
The Daily Wire he had a really really fantastic conversation
on stage. You know, he likes to debate, as these
conservatives love to do. He was he was there and
he debated a ten year old girl. Oh my wow.

(51:31):
Abuse or maybe it's like not a debate. I don't know,
maybe it's a discussion. But anyway, he's on stage with
a child, and this is what they were talking about
on Mahamunday at the Great American Affair.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
But the one area where the Salem witch trials went
a little far is I would say they weren't organized enough.
He had these like random judges kind of. I don't
know if they were guilty or not, but I think
work if it were more formalized, to build up a
little bit more, maybe with like a grand inquisitor or something,

(52:05):
that would have been a better way to do it.
I am so impressed. I couldn't buy the one area.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
So it's a child, a literal child, about the Salem
witch turning of women, of all those women, and that
he doesn't know if that, if they were guilty of
being witches, it.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Could have been more organized. What's your take? Ten year
old child?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
There's another clip, what ten year old future witch?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He's like false Jackie Robinson never said that you're an idiot.
It's literally is that's what's so perverse.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Yeah, this is so perverse that this is what people
think is normal. Now, this is that we've arrived.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I don't I don't have the words.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You think the attendance, it doesn't it seems like most
people don't think this is normal or worse your attention,
but yeah, clearly to the operators organizers of it, they're like, yeah,
this is good and also just I think a testament
to how poorly organized everything is, like when it comes
to the right. Like it's like with these sort of
cultural events, because they no one is really subscribing to

(53:11):
their version of mainstream culture that they want.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
To genuinely worry for those children, Like that is insane.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I know who else wants to come up here and
get fucking rinsed by Michael Knowles, you know what I mean?
Like Jubilee surrounded by ten year olds.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
He's going to run the formalized witch hunt.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
I mean, are we not basically seeing the long term
outcome of failing upward?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Oh right?

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Like if you are able to fail upward in this society,
in it in a runaway train.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Version where it never ends.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
What you get is these very monumental decisions like three
Supreme Court justices and the running of the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary celebrations by these kinds of people, by
people who have no idea what they're doing, who have
run purely on unearned confidence and arrogance.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
And this is what we're.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Seeing, just tattered unraveling, kind of like mush well.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
But also apparently there was like another committee that they
like laywaided laywada waylaid too, that was supposed to originally
be like it was a non partisan committee that was
supposed to run this, and then Trump was like now
and then just like, let me just do it this
horrific way.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
That's why we have Queen Latifa at the coliseum from
that same nonpartisan group. Yeah, that's that's our official two
fifty that we get in LA. Here's another clip. This
is Moham Monday's of this. Just some guy who was
like ranting about all kinds of stuff up there. I
think this when he's talking about breast implants.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I mean they're all able to about breads and only
in the last call in five to ten years.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
And so fortunately these women are now learning about BII.
They never knew it strong previously.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
When they got the rest in playing place, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
The same wow that the track is replaced on the
press Black Fox Morning.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
So this so yeah, this is this dude is up
there talking about prest implant illness. Uh, to a packed
crowd of threes.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
So yeah, just just some really next level stuff happening
there at the Great American Fair. I will say this though,
the one thing that I have been reading about is
this fucking fireworks show, because there's there's footage of how
they right now, obviously the reflecting Pool is closed, is
fenced off, but typically they do launch fireworks from the
reflecting Pool on fourth of July. So it's like, so
it would be faced off, but now they're putting all

(55:45):
the fireworks in and this is this is what we've heard, right,
Trump said this is going to be the largest fireworks
show in history. You're like, yeah, right, that's what you
say that all the time about everything. But if you're
talking just about the sheer numbers of shells that are
going to be like an so a typical for the
July show in DC, they say roughly between seventeen thousand

(56:06):
and twenty thousand shells for a seventeen minute show. This year,
they are going to have a forty minute display that
will use more than eight hundred and sixty thousand explosives
and they will be set off along the reflecting Pool
as well as in the West Potomac Park as in
the West Potomac Park and eight barges on the Potomac River.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Deport the dogs and cats. Please please support the dogs
and cats.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
If you're in the DMV area, get your dogs out now.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Leave now.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
The previous record held by Manila in the Philippines was
the Guinness World Record of Fireworks display show in seven
and twenty sixteen eight hundred and nine thousand fireworks during
a New Year's event. This is like feels it's just
so like typical wealthy absentee father, like, yeah, sorry, I
fucked up your party to compensate. How about one million

(56:58):
fireworks done? Yeah? Yeah, just like what the fuck? No
one even asked for that shit. I used to do
shit like that when I was like a tear like
in my twenties and just like didn't know, like it
was a terrible boyfriend to be, like, I completely fucked
that up. Here's like way too big a bouquet of flowers. Yeah,
And they're like, no, I just need to like fucking
listen over compensating. Yeah, exactly, No, here's material over compensation

(57:22):
for you. I know, I completely no one's fucking here's
eight hundred and sixty thousand explosives to be launched.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I'm so sorry for the way you're right, babe, Will
this uh distraction of destroying your eyes and ears help?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah? It's what's also crazy is like it's like a
the security level is like the same as the like
State of the Union or an inauguration. So for the
people that go, you can't like, you can't bring shit
there if you're trying to see it. They're like, you
can't bring a lawn chair, you can't bring the cooler.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Yeah, Gunna, somebody's gonna like peeer poot themselves for sure.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure people will probably expire from
trying to endure a forty one minute ex wosive show
directly overhead. But who knows, who knows? But yeah, he's
looking out for everybody with this fucking crazy fireworks.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Well, and with the way things go with this administration,
this is the that is what is projected, and then
there will they will end up.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Releasing yeah yeah yeah with like a lighter six of
which will not work.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
The fireworks display doesn't start until ten thirty at night
because this dude wants to talk before of course, So
it's just like it's gonna be great. Guys, it's gonna
be great. It's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
It's gonna be scares himself, he gets really.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Scare the fireworks. No, this is what it would have
been like if I went to Vietnam, but luckily I
got out because I'm a draft dodger. Ha. Yeah, we'll see,
we'll see what happens. But that'll be the fourth of July.
Big question marks there. All right, let's take a quick
break when we come back. Just got a touch in
with a beloved book, and maybe Ramsey you were saying
something about sacrificing your individuality to police others. That might

(59:06):
be somehing in this book. All right, we'll be ready
to come back to it. And we're back. So Studio Canal,
who's the same studio that has given us the Paddington movies. Reportedly,

(59:27):
it's been sort of like the rumors are sort of
circulating that they are going to be producing a animated
feature adaptation of the nineteen ninety two book The Rainbowfish
that sold more than thirty million copies and unlike that,
this is the rainbow Fish film will be using hand
crafted puppets. You're like whoa interesting. Although, look Project mail Mary,

(59:51):
if people have seen Ernest borgnine read The Rainbow Fish,
it might not be as good, but shout out to
those who have seen that version. But Reese lead. The
book has become controversial thanks to social media debates over
what is the underlying message of the book. So, if
you know the book, the rainbow Fish has like the
colorful scales, and the other fish weren't getting along and

(01:00:13):
they're like, hey, let me get some of your scales,
and the like nah, like no, and they're like, ah, well,
no one, you're not sharing. Then it's got to go
to the octopus. The octopus is like, hey, man, you know,
maybe you should give someone it away and share, and
then that way you can get along with everybody. And
that's how he's accepted by giving up his scales to
the other fish. Well, this is a lot of people

(01:00:35):
are like, no, we don't like this because why is
this character literally ripping off their skin for the sake
of being.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Liked, redistributing wealth?

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I thought the author. The author says that this is
about the beauty of sharing. Yeah, which maybe, you know,
maybe would be more successful if the fish wasn't forced
to share. Like its physical body parts. But then a
few years ago really kicked off when this fifth grade

(01:01:04):
teacher went viral on TikTok for questioning it. This is
mister Wong aka America's favorite teacher, he said quote. In
my opinion, I think he has the right to do
that because he doesn't have to give up part of
himself or anybody. The real flaw is that was that
he was not humble. In the book, when the rainbow
fish said no, all the other fish decided not to
play with him, which made it more about all the fish,

(01:01:26):
about how all the fish didn't accept him because he
didn't give up his scales rather than them responding to
his stuck up behavior. So he got acceptance when he
gave up parts of who he was. And then soon
like other librarians, psychologists were like posting about it and
they're like, oh, this is about like toxic people pleasing
potentially He's like the what is the underpinnings of this book?

(01:01:49):
God itch, Look, I think it's it can be truly
about what you bring to it. But I think one
version is sort of like, but I see physically ripping
off who you are. I'm like, they're you go in
the literal sense, maybe maybe a little.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
What do you think about this, uh literary interpretation?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I think like.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
You, you guys just described the entire fucking purpose of
the existence of culture, which is that it's supposed to
spark a variety of competing interpretations and debates. Like the
idea of canceling things because they don't have the message
that you want them to in the context you're looking
at is so boring and so ridiculous and naive, Like

(01:02:30):
it's naive to the idea that like things travel across
time and then they mean differently in different moments, Like
for all we know, it could have been a critique
of communism, right, like you could you could do this
really conservative reading of it that's like, oh, it's post
World War two. It's actually like critiquing the idea of sharing,
or it's supporting.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
The idea of sharing, or it's whatever. Like we could.
We could provide all.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Of these competing readings, and the point is that it
got us talking, and if you wanted to celebrate your message,
you could then write a book that's different and then
share that book with people. So it's like that's the
beauty of a book like this that it's getting people
to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It feels like one of those things where like someone
went to therapy and realized, like I I definitely like
what in my therapy journey realized well like my my
people pleasing traits and how it's gotten mere bookt But yeah,
but more like but it's like someone saw that and
then also is like it was that like see I
was getting these messages and like this book did that.

(01:03:30):
It's like, no, this one book isn't going to make
a child bring them up with like exactly the thing
that is bringing in people pleasing culture. I think a
lot of that too has to deal with how you're
raised and things like that. Yeah, but again it's interesting
because then I think, especially when this when this video
took off, it was like truly like peaked TikTok, where
people were like, oh man, like yes, Jude, this these

(01:03:51):
are fucking bars that I'm hearing from a TikTok video
hilarious and yeah, I'm like part of me is like, yeah,
sharing is good, that's good. We fundamentally need to learn
how to serious. I get if maybe you don't like
the physical version of how that's happening, like because you're
taking it as like it's ripping off its skin to
give it to someone else, like in the book, he's

(01:04:12):
not like, no, man, I'm ripping off my fucking skin
to give it to You're like, yeah, man, here go ahead,
take that. You're outdated. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
Like again, like people are so naive about like when
they look back and something, they can't acknowledge that, like
it was made at a certain time and maybe it
just seems weird now, right, like things get old.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
We are as beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, it's weird because you're homophobic now. It's exactly like
I was reading this book, like, uh, you know my
World and good Night Moon and there's like school anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Having to say good night to everybody going to bed.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
So true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
But Margaret Wise Brown like they're, uh, what the fuck
was I gonna say?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
You're reading good Night Moon and something else?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
It doesn't matter. Think no, no, I completely lost my
train of thought.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
It'll come back to you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
I mean when it's also rainbow Fish is obviously trying
to make everybody gay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
That yeah, that's a gay agenda.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
So he had the gay agenda.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
What I was gonna say was in in so good
Night Moon is by Margaret Wise Brown. Most people know
that book, but then there's other words like My World
that is also a similar book that was like a
sequel to that. In that book, there's like a scene
where there's like a family like of rabbits, like in
a bathtub, and like the book was like fucking shelved,
like went out of print because people in like the
sixties and fifties with fuck like why is that family

(01:05:40):
bathing in front of each other to the point about
how dated weird shit is Like from them, they're like,
it's a fucking family. I don't know, like that the
dad's in the bathtub, the kid's brushing his teeth, like
it's a fucking family. But then there's all this thing
like this is so inappropriate that then it wasn't until
people kind of were like wait, why did this Why
was this out of print? And they're like examined it.
They're like, no, up, fire that ship, back up, what

(01:06:01):
the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Exactly start the president.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Yeah, it got canceled because we're like disgusting and abuses.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So puritanical that, yeah, imagine the idea where people are
not being abused. The one I think that my.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Version of Lolita and I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, right, you're gonna hold on, let me, let me finish.
You're gonna like this, You're gonna like this. What is
funny though, is like that book was a cartoon like
turning into a cartoon series in the nineties, which again
didn't have the fish just ripping itsself apart, ripping itself asunder,
but was really it was weird for a different reason.
One of the Rainbow fishes hangout spots like in the
universe of the book was Shipwreck Park, which if you

(01:06:42):
look at like what this shipwreck looks like, you're like,
hold on broll that looked like the Titanic. It's sort
of like the similar broken all of the Titanic colonizer
hang went around the Titanic at Shipwreck Park.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
The idea of the sequel to Good Night Moon is
cracking me the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
No, there's a whole I've seen a ton of literary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
A little bear, there's more shit to say good Night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
There's a ton of literary analysis about these books, and
like you know, this sort of like edible complex. There's
like weird stuff that people are reading into that work.
But also because Margaret wise Brown had a pretty interesting
personal life too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
But actually, can I get really intellectual for a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Yes, there is an extraordinary book that I love so much,
via scholar named Julia Mickenberg who's a friend of mine.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
It's called Learning.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
From the Left, and it's like the subtitle is like
children's literature, the Cold War and something else, And basically
it's all about how it speaks to this to the
rainbow Fish story, which is that she basically shows you how,
like all of these people who are part of the
Communist Party in the nineteen twenties and thirties when there
was a huge red scare after World War Two, any

(01:08:00):
of them were blacklisted from their careers, from their lives,
from teaching, from all the stuff. And she shows how
many of them decided to become children's books authors, and
because communism had been so discredited as a progressive political philosophy,
they started writing children's books that were about democracy and
about democratic practice. And so when you read a lot

(01:08:21):
of those books like Harold and the Purple Crayon and
like all of these things, they're all about like imagination
and sharing and all of this stuff, and you're seeing
this long term outcome. Not of these authors trying to
indoctrinate young people in communist ideas, but actually trying to
circulate the idea of democratic sharing, the idea of like

(01:08:43):
the sharing of like a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
The science books from the sixties and seventies.

Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
She says, we're all about the idea that like science
is for everyone, and like anyone can learn about ideas
and share them with other people.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
So it's also kind of funny.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
That people are canceling this text based on a thing
about identity, which is our obsession in this era, right,
when in fact, like it's really about sharing and the
spreading of wealth. It's it's such an interesting thing that
we're living in this moment where many young people are
invested in resuscitating democracy and collectivity or whatever, but we're

(01:09:18):
also obsessed with our identities, right, and we can't stand
anything that questions the idea of like the truth of myself.
It's an interesting contradiction.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, well, Ramsey's wild. Thank you so much for joining
us on the daily day. Pleasure always such, You're You're
always welcome meeting you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Oh my god, you too. I'd love to come back,
always love being here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Where do the people find you?

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
Follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Taking stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
People can find me on my website, Ramseyfawas dot com,
which has all of my published articles and links to
my books. You can find me at nerd from the
Future on Instagram. My second season of my podcast, which
is the same title from the Future, will start on Monday,
July fourteenth, and we're going to be covering a whole

(01:10:06):
bunch of more topics about what's happening in higher education,
from AI to talking to my former undergrads about what.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Their education has done for them.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
It's going to be really fun, amazing range of conversations.
And yeah, you got, of course always google me and
see my faculty website. And the last thing I'll say
is I teach twice a year at the Essalon Institute
in Bixer and I'll be teaching another workshop for five
days in January and that'll be posted on their website
in a couple months.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Oh, it's start a work of media that you're enjoying
social media. Tell them whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
I just saw the podcast episode that Anderson Cooper did
with Sharon Stone.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Oh, yes, that is one of the most amazing episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
First of all, she's a genius. She's like a public intellectual. Yeah,
and that's sort of what I love about her. She's
having a major renaissance, both like in acting, in her art,
in her public presence, commentary, but like she her level
of intelligence, her precision of thought, her articulateness is so crisp,
you sort of like while you're listening to it, you're

(01:11:13):
like awake, You're like, this is a person who knows
what they're fucking talking about. And she talks all about
the death of her mother and the complicated mixed feelings
she has about both being really devastated but also sort
of free from the intense the emotional intensity of her mother,
who also she feels like, never really liked her very much.

(01:11:34):
And it is so moving and it's really about what
we talked about earlier. That like there's a beautiful moment
where she says Americans really struggle with the idea that
we can have mixed feelings about things, that we can
that things mean more than one thing, and that there
is uncertainty about things like grief, and she's just like,
you leave feeling so empowered by her presence, and I'm

(01:11:55):
such a so glad she's a public figure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Well, thank you for that, yallity where the people find you,
follow you, and what's the work in media that you're enjoying.

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And we just love our podcast, so we want to
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Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
A work of media I've been paying attention to is
the prisoners at a jail in eastern North Carolina overpowering
the staff and season control of the facility, which I
think is fucking awesome, and I hope they get whatever
they're asking for. And then also at Time Immemorial on
their score had this quote tweet that I thought was funny.
There's a poly market tweet that said Justin Ford rehires

(01:12:54):
more than three hundred veteran human engineers after it says
AI failed to deliver the same level of expertise, and
the quote tweet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Yeah, And the quote tweet is a screenshot of interest
elbow from the wire.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I want you to put the word out there that
we back up the humans.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Oh man. You can find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
I'm talking about ninety dance on four to twenty Day Fiance.
I'm talking about football, old football, including the tournaments happened
to Know on Ain't a Footy with Jammel Johnson and
Chris Martin. I work in media. I like, I mean,
you know, I'm half Japanese. Japan lost them at World

(01:13:32):
Cup and so did Germany. A lot of people pointing out, huh,
it's crazy Germany and Japan taking an el together on
the world stage again. This is from at Panasonic DX
forty five hund a. Germany and Japan taking an ell
together on the world stage again. And it's that clip
of Paul Rudd on Hot Ones. Look at us, look
at us, look at us. Who would have thought not me?

(01:13:55):
That hit A little bit different episode. Yeah, you can
find us on everywhere our Twitter, Blue Sky, Daily Zeitgeist
read the Daily zeit Geist on Instagram. You can go
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it and they're at the bottom. You will find the
footnotes footnotes huh, where you can find all of the
links of the articles we talked about, uh, as well

(01:14:17):
as a song. I think you might enjoy what song
is that gonna be? Just again? I mean, I've just been.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
Kind of mellow stuff, stuff that feels like summer, stuff
that feels like us. You could you could watch the
sun set to it, or maybe the sun rise to it.
This one is called walk in by Andy Beats b
E A t z uh just like a you know, producer,
one of those like simple boomback producers. It feels like
somebody he just put on have it on the background.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Read that book, read your book, make your coffee, make
your team, make your eggs, whatever you do. Put that on.
It's nice and easy. That's walking by Andy Beats, all right.
The Daily sit guys is the production of my radios.
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Podcast or ever get your shows for free. That's gonna
do it for us today. We'll be back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Was that little bit later to tell you what's trending?
Until then, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
The Daily Zeitgeist is executive produced by Catherine Long

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Co produced by Victor Wright, co written by J m mcnapp,
edited and engineered by Justin Conner,

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