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February 23, 2026 53 mins

In this edition of Dry Curling @ Lucky Zeit, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, a couple of odd moments at the BAFTAs, the Supreme Court declaring Trump's tariffs illegal, Kash Patel's trip to Italy and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Oh wait, that's crazy. You had to my invite got
lost her.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It was it was you guys, only only the boys
in his class.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm one of the boys, dude. What did you guys
do you guys have a performer bowling? Dude?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know I love bowling, bro and I can only
beat four year old children.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I needed this for my confidence. Get the bumpers up. Yeah,
but well they've got a new thing, man, lucky strike,
where it's like you can go bumper up, bumper down,
depending on yeah, depending on your game.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh yeah, that's that's that's that's that's been, that's been
technology there. Yeah, I think I'm learning about really old
technology a lot this weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
That's my underrated I learned about like because before it
was like it's all bumpers or no bumpers. Yeah, and
they had to like drag the bumpers out yeah yeah yeah,
and now like, yeah, the guy came.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
With the hook to be like all right, losers to
drop the bowl.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Right, But yeah, I remember I only found out like
maybe two three years ago when I went to like
one of those new fangled bowling alleys where like depending
on your person, like each individual could have bumpers, and
I'm like, oh, this is now. This is called it inclusive,
this is called person.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's also fucked up because then they're got beat by
a nine year old man. You got me by nine
year old I mean I didn't, I didn't actually bowl,
but I like, here you go, you got beating a guy. Well,
I mean I wasn't really trying. I wasn't really trying.
Like it wasn't like you know, I was. I was
throwing a couple of balls down the thing just to

(01:36):
like show off a little bit. But dude, I was.
I was going between the legs and stuff. You know,
I didn't know it was cider house rules.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
They didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
If I knew it was cider house rules, then I
would have fucking stepped up. Nobody was bowling to two eighty.
There there were balls being left on the lane, you know,
when like, oh yeah, they were like you're.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Plays out here. I I chose very early on to
give up. I was just like this, actually that's more
like about Yeah. It was that that is a good
way to bowl. Do your one knee up, one leg dragged.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Back and tire lane until right to get to the
pins and then fucking strike.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I think you should be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I rack up another one, dude, I'm killing it actually
that you just gave me an idea. If you if
you bowld with roller skates on, yeah, that could be
fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
You go, and we'll just never let go of the
ball and just just keeps try curling to a thing, man,
I mean dry figure skating and stuff. You see them
like working out get ready for their figure skating.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's like, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
They're just doing the moves on a gym floor.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
We just called that roller skating.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this week trend edition
of Daily That Guys. This is the podcast where we
tell you dive into America's shared consciousness. We tell you
dive into America's share conscience. Tell you my name is
Jack O'Brien. That over there is mister Miles Great. This
is the episode where we catch up on Monday morning

(03:27):
our time, Monday afternoon by the time you hear it,
tell you some of the things that we're trending over
the weekend, some of the things that are going on
with us. But before we get to that, we do
like to yeah, let you get to know us, going
on with us? What's going on with us? A little,
a little check in.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I'm about to reveal a lot with my over under
this week.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, this is the part where you sit down with
your therapist and they say, so, so anything new? So
what with you? I don't Why don't you start? How
have you been?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
That's crazy because you had to cast a session. Everything
good with you? Everything good with you? A doctor's appointment.
Oh okay, wow, that's crazy because you're a doctor. But
you need to appoinment.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Myself, Miles. We like to start off by asking you
something you think is underrated? Underrated bowling with young kids.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So I could feel better about myself even though my
full worker didn't invite me to fucking the smack.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Very limited and Miles, you know what happened the last
time I invited you, But we didn't invite that with
the boys from the other Yeah, and they got you
just rubbed it in their face so hard.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
You're right, And I shouldn't have drove to the school
during school hours. That was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I was sure you had made seven year old's birthday party.
I was Yeah, I was throwing out an air brush
picture of the two of you hold t shirts to all.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
The kids who weren't invited with me and your son.
That great rendition I did of me throwing your child
up in the air like but for real underrated for me.
And you saw this when we were recording the last
Icon episode.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, I mean cold foam. Cold foam has upturned your world.
I'm I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Every now and then, look it's like Christmas decorations. My
inner white American woman comes out, and now I'm like
my star my white woman Starbucks DNA is spilling out.
As I tried cold foam for the first time because
I have a coffee maker that has it, I was like,
what the fuck is this? And I tried it and
I had like just like some cold like haf coffee

(05:46):
that I ice. I poured that shirt on top.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
What the fuck? This ship is like a milk cloud
and it's cold. I've not I've not go on, it's foam,
it's milk? Is it sweet?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Baby?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
You can sweet that, you can flame that. It's a
blank canvas.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I put a little I put so the first time
I had it was a straight milk and I was like,
oh this is Then I was like the lab.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I'm hearing you tell me about a meat cute. Oh yeah,
I put my son Day's Best on.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I put like almond extract and some vanilla extract I
had from when I like, I made like French toasts
like a while back, So I had these like extracts.
Put that in with the little bit of milk. So
I had this like vanilla almondy foam on my iced coffee.
It's really the texture that I fucked with so heavy.
It's like it's so fucking thick, bro, But it's I
don't know how to describe it.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And again it reminds me of you always saying like
the best chemists are out there putting together these ideas
for what is experientially the best thing for the consumer. Yeah,
and this is like one of those things that I
see advertisements all the time, Like it's you know, like
Starbucks all the fucking big coffee places A cold foam
wave fro a while, and I was like, yeah, whatever,

(07:03):
Like I don't I don't go like to get coffee
like that anyway.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I never had too many times before with their various
this ship Jack, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
And then shout out producer Victor because I pulled up
the I put them up my cup in the frame
and he said, hoh fuck, you made that hold on
the podcast shot.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Shut the fuck up. Shut the f up? Was that
cold foam Miles, you did that? That's you?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yes, and anyway, shout out to everybody who's already known
as probably like that wave has passed. But holy shit, man,
it's the it's just the texture. It's so it's so fun.
And now I'm like I was drinking cups of hot coffee.
I'm back on my cold Bruce shit because now I
just give it a little flop of cold foam on
sho a treat YEP.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I've been using like a hand mixer thing to mix
to mix up milk and putting that on top of
coffee or yeah, and that that is pretty delicious. I
wonder like what so when you is that how you're
achieving it or do you know how it's being created
by these jack and just like Christ Salvation, I don't

(08:07):
care to understand.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, so I will just accept that it is you
see ones that footsteps and you just assumed that the
cold foam was.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Was carrying me bro and has saved half saved my soul.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I don't know how it's done. I know Brian definitely
has a Chino I'll explain it.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
So it's got this inductive magnetics spinner kind of Hey Brian,
real quick, don't don't ruin. I've not I've not seen
Myles this happy in like years. Can you just not ruin?
The magic for.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Star Dust comes out and does a magical dance, a
little gnome inside and we addressed the button.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, one of Santa's gnomes, so it's extra delicious. Yeah,
they work, They work in the frouther during off season.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Wait, can Jack use the little wand thing to also do?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Can he make?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
But it's not going to be as good as concept. Yeah,
it's just getting air in there through the mixing, but
it's not going to be as quite an I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You flavor that ship arachnized. I'm just gonna drink a
fing ten hous cup of cold phone. Yeah, okay, fu
it that.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Sounds I'm on, uh my underrated. First of all old
school games and I don't mean to rub this in
your face, but it was cool, Like there were video
games with this bowling alley. Uh, and the kids were
really into bowling, like the this year old birthday party.
They were playing playing bowling, having a great time. And

(09:37):
then we got u for his for his birthday, we
got a thing from the Fat Brain Toy Company that
is like just a bunch of ball bearings that you
like shoot across. And my kids were like playing it
all weekend. They were just having like it's like it's
like just like a real it's like crossfire, except less

(09:59):
chaout because you take one shot at a time and
you're trying to knock over Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Apparently this company, Fat Brain Toy Company like has a
bunch of just very like tactile analog games like that
that are that are super fun. It's like drinking games,
but for children. You know. Oh shit, okay, so shout
out to that. But while I was at my child's

(10:28):
birthday party, and I was but Miles, is not it.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Probably because you didn't want me to fuck these kids
up with my bowling game and then it would have
been too embarrassing. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, that's good. That's good,
your good debth.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I'm not gonna say who was embarrassing for but it
would have been embarrassing. I was on hold for the
first hour of my kid's birthday party, so I was
As mentioned, I was supposed to fly to New York
yesterday for on air Fest. She's like a podcast festival.
A couple of our shows on Big Money Players have
are doing live shows shout out Yeah shit and Marie

(11:02):
bombing with air Andre so good. If you're in New
York and able to get out of your house, go
go check it out, because I think that the shows
are still happening. It's just planes are not landing.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
In New York or anywhere in like the Northeast right
like I heard like Boston shut down to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I was trying everything and spent.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
At home alone.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I was I was like, here, do you want my
ear rings? Yeah, but uh yeah, spent hours on hold
with the travel company, got rebooked on a flight that
one immediately got canceled, spent like more hours on hold,
and at that point, like it sort of became like
a religious experience. At first I was annoyed, but like

(11:48):
two hours in I was just like hours, this is
my life now, this is where I live is on
hold inside This thirty second phrase of music repeating itself
over and over again. I started appreciating the Hold music
in a new way. And then when the Hold music
like goes dead for a couple seconds randomly, like not

(12:11):
not at a set point, but just randomly, I no
longer like got excited that they were coming for me.
You know. At those moments, I like I just was like,
nobody's coming. This is a joke, this is this is
all a joke. Damn. I feel like I went through
all the stages of Castaway on this ball. Yeah, you're like,
this is my new friend Brunswick.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
He's eight pounds.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
But yeah, dude, it's just so funny to think of.
That's like kind of it reminds me of at like
being a kid, when like the dad was doing some
other shit that was more important than the birth. And
I'm not saying that that's what it was, but I
have this visual of like there's a birthday party and
then the dad is like doing.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Like work or something. Yeah, and yes, that is what
it was.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, you were like you were there on the phone
finger Oh sorry, No, they were doing the thing where
they fake me out and pretend like they're an operator,
but it's actually them just being like, oh yeah, they
value my yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then they did answer right when we like right
when the Bowling Alley like turned the music up. So
then the next time that I was on hold, I
was like, I created this universe in my head where
like I could get them to answer by doing something
where it would be really inconvenient for them, like if
I was like, you know, so you really lost your mind. Yeah,

(13:35):
I lost my mind on this hold. And then also
underrated is like four hours in, uh, my wife told
me about hold Assist, which you know, six hours, six
hours into this ordeal, when she noticed me in the
corner speaking in tongues, she was like, you know, my

(13:56):
phone has this feature hold Assist, and sure enough mine
did too, where it's essentially it's your phone is on hold,
but it'll just call you when they come back, and
so you don't even have to like my spirits music.
So that's really my underrated unless you want to have
like this horrible like what one of those like bad

(14:18):
ayahuasca experiences that people come out of and they're like,
I but I learned so much about myself. I feel
like I had that this weekend with being on hold.
You can also experience that, but you can also skip
it because there's something called hold assist, at least on iPhones,
where you just like go in and it'll yeah, bro,
it's pretty easy to find.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So I didn't know that. Man. See, this is where
our millennial brains were like locked in a technological reality
where it's like there is no solve for this.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You have to go into some kind of hold induced
This is where I live now.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, shout shout out to Opus number one. Oh yeah,
have you seen that clipping the dude bumping car? Like
it's really the jam? Somebody needs to rap over that.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't know. I feel like this has to be
a SoundCloud wrapper who has done something like that ever
since that this American Life episode, I feel like really
chased it down. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
What is something Miles do you think is overrated?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Overrated is starting any new activity or hobby with any
level of experience, like being like, oh yeah, yeah, this
will be fun. No, starting from zero zero is actually
the shit. It's so much better. I know this because
I have began embrace yourselves. Listeners, this is going to

(15:40):
be something that you have never heard me say in
the entirety of you listening to this show. I have
began to work out. I began to prioritize my physical
corporal health in a way that is very novel to me.
Before I was relying purely on my genetics and metabolism.
Am I resting, metabolic raid or whatever the fitness person

(16:04):
was telling me about, you got a good one. They
were like, wow, you know, they don't know, they're just
like getting by. I mean, I was just like, I'm
not next to like, yeah, I can tell well hold on, well,
hold on, hold on, No, my own fucking trot. It's
just great because I don't, like, I've never been a
gym person, like I've had gym memberships in the past,
but it was like a thing where I'll go for

(16:24):
three weeks, do like one machine, run for ten minutes
on treadmill. The second I sweat or feel uncomfortable, like WHOA,
all right, that's enough, better go home and smoke a blunt.
And now I think, especially as I'm you know, now
forty one years old, I have a kid, and I
think as much as possible about like, dude, I want
to I'm cooking his ass with the soccer ball.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Still, okay, get.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
The ball yeah, I need to stay like, I need
to stay on top of it. I still and then
the other day we were at the park with some
of his classmates. There was a ball I was playing
keep away the other parents like, is he okay? He's
like going way too hard on these like toddlers. But anyway,
I think now I just like my priorities shift. I've
taken it seriously. I'm starting to do it this shit

(17:09):
like three times a week because I need I really
have to do it or else I'm not going to
sustain this. Like I just know myself like I need
to be beholden to somebody to be like, Okay, I'm here,
you're taking your time to help me. Let's do this.
Let help me become healthier. And part of it was
I'm just so fucking weak that it was great because

(17:29):
I'm like so sore and shit and like weak.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
But I'm like, bro, I'm starting to fucking negative too.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Every fucking subsequent session, I'm gonna be like, holy shit,
I already feel like that. I feel like already so
much better. So there's something before I was a little intimidated.
I'm like, man, I'm not doing this shit like this
isn't me. And I used to just sort of be
in my mind be like this isn't healthy health, being healthy.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Isn't for me, fucking healthy, just just.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Just starting low, And now I feel I'm just great
because when you're at the bottom, baby, there's nowhere but
up to go. Yeah. So I'm excited to keep people
tuned into my fitness journey as I go on. I
promise I will not quit. Next week, I will quit.
I will check in. We'll check in. Oh you'll see
Bro the top of every week. I'm gonna start wearing

(18:19):
like weird ass muscle teas and ship like, oh man,
this guy's he's losing it, he's losing it.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And then at a certain point you start wearing the
te's that people wear to hide it.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I got a total sleeper build under here. That's what
I've seen videos like.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
That, and uh Dre did that one time where they
came out like big oh yeah yeah box yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
No. You'll see Bro. You'll see the live show whenever
we get that. With that tour going, I'm gonna have
to be like, yoya, y'all want to see it. You
want to see a mac truck?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
The first fifteen minutes of the live show is just
gonna be miles posing and.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
I got that wild fucking like problematic like body bronzer on,
like the weightlifters, just all sloppy, completely dehydrated. You got
to yeah yeah, yeah, I've.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Had nothing but coffee for the past six days.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Oh yeah, No, No, I'm not looking to change my body.
I just need to get stronger, dude. The podcast thing
is it is detrimental. Yeah, you get pod ass.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah it's not great.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah no, I just got to help my back because
it's all related. Man, it already down the hamstrings.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I've been I thought I had made progress on
my back because I started actually exercising just like strengthen
my back a couple of years ago. Yeah, and recently
my my back pain has come.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Back Jack, you know, not me. It just started working out.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Just have my first session ever, just so you know,
I've had one.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Fucking session Okay, wow, But I can tell because I'm
already locked in. I've paid the money and I can't
waste it. So I know myself, like if there's money
of there's no fuck away. I'm gonna be like, you know, actually,
I don't think anything to do it this week, you.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Know, make them maybe make them make you. You know
my overrated is the anticipation shot in TV, just like
the I noticed this during the Olympics, but like dull.
Anticipation is basically the primary lifeblood of television, like wanting
to know what's going to happen next you see it

(20:24):
with like I mean, it's like every procedural TV show,
Law and Order, the Evening News being like what ingredient
in your food might make your inside shit out of
your body? Or at eleven but it turns out nothing,
nothing like we actually checked into it. But like will
they won't? They TV shows succeed until it's revealed that

(20:46):
they will, and then they like fall off a cliff usually,
But there are these two moments, these two like shots
that feel kind of crazy, like the Masked Singer I
was talking about. I had to watch my first masked singer, uh,
you know, five minutes of a Masked Singer episode for
the Tony Hawk iconograph that we did because that's like

(21:09):
what he's been up to in the past couple of years.
And it's really it feels like you're in a fucking
Verjoven movie, Like you're just it's so weird. The mask singer,
and then they do this like shot where everybody is waiting.

(21:29):
Oh they do like the fake they pretend like they're
the mask is stuck on the person's head like they
do a bad job of acting it, and then everybody
in the crowd. It's just like a series of twenty
shots of people's faces being like whoa yeah. And then
they also but they also kind of do this with

(21:50):
the Olympics, where like most of the run time of
watching the Olympics is showing the person waiting for their
score for like just like watch getting staring at the board.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no it felt good. Yeah yeah,
yeah exactly, like talking to the person next to them.
They're their thigh.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
There's a performance to that anticipation shot so of the Olympians,
which is so funny too, or like it's not often
you see someone just get in there be like god,
damn bro and just be like I'm on, I'm still on.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
They still they look like they're posing for like a
high school photograph, you know the whole time. I don't know,
I just don't need it show show another performance at
that time. Yeah, yeah, it feels like anticipation, pornography at
that point where it's just like I feel like I'm
being fooled, you know, And that's the point. Probably, Yeah,

(22:49):
that is the point. Yeah, I don't know, fool me,
I guess, make me forget. What would you like instead?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like? Because if there is, I'm sure i'd imagine, like
the way the competition actually works is like the next
the next contestant or competitors kill that thing. So would
you rather see a warm up rather than good TV?
I think I just hate TV. That's just brutal, I think, yeah,
just knowing, and like, damn, I realize that Canadians ended

(23:16):
up winning gold and curling, did they? Fuckers?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah, littles, little fuckers. Care shoutouts fuckers who won gold. Yeah,
we'll get to the get to our little fuckers in
a second. Oh my god. All right, let's take a
quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the bath Does,
we'll talk about the Olympics, and we'll talk about tariffs.
We'll be right back and we're back. We're back, and

(23:50):
the bath Does were last night. This is the UK
Academy Awards.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, with a way better, way better statuette like the mask. Yeah,
that makes more sense when you're talking about like theater
arts versus like this shapeless physical man is my uncle
Oscar like the funk? All right?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
He looks like he's one of those full like shadow
figure body suits.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, exactly exactly. The red carpet was wild. Did you
see Paddington?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I saw Paddington come out on stage and eat ship?
Did Paddington eat ship? Not like physically, but like came
out and gave it, gave a speech that was not
was not well received, just complete silence.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's okay, what do you said? I like the misunderstanding
that I'm like, dude, he ate ship. Yeah, that's didn't
physical a piece of ship.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
And he also did fall over, but he came out
and gave a speech that just it felt like it
was a Hall of President's animatronic thing, and so everybody
reacted thusly. Everybody reacted as though it were just you know,
the he had a mini podium and everything. Okay, let's
hear padding ti. My aunt Lucy.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Says, you have to face your fears unless it's a snake,
then you have to walk away very slowly. Oh man, yeah,
and it goes like that was the big laugh right,
there's like, don't do this to Paddington, don't do that to.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Give him better material. But the big horrific moment was
when John Davidson, who has Trette syndrome is the subject
of the nominated film I Swear about his struggle with
Trette syndrome, screamed out the N word while Michael B.
Jordan and Delroy Lindo were presenting on stage, and then

(25:55):
they just did not handle it well like the broadcast,
the hosts, like everyone, it was just like compounding errors
basically over and over. Like the host sound coming came
out and said you may have noticed the strong language
and said that he was sorry if anyone was offended. Yeah,

(26:18):
if anyone was offended, is like.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Kind of said, like, you know, obviously like it's on
on These ticks are involuntary and they like their obscenities
can be yelled. But yeah, saying like and apologies if
you were offended, people are like, well hold on, bro,
this dude just shouted the N word out at Michael B.
Jordan and Delroy Lindo.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Sorry, sorry if you were offended.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
And you know, I think I think you know anyone
who's been like known anyone with Tourette's or been around
anyone with touretts, you know that it's totally involuntary. So
it's like you're not like, how dare this man? It's
just the way everything was handled before and after just
makes it so much shittier and I feel bad.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
You know, Michael B.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Jordan and Delroy Lindo had to do the thing that
black people have become very accustomed to, which is being
called a slur in public, even though it's involuntary, but
having to hear such a thing be shouted out in
a quiet room as you're trying to present something, and
then doing the very rapid calculus of going what the
fuck was that? They just said, oh, hell, no, okay,

(27:21):
just keep it moving, be professional, you know, what the
fuck is this and then just handled it with grace, unfortunately,
as centuries of white supremacy has forced us to do.
But while it's totally understandable that the man was doing
this involuntarily, the BBC also did this weird thing of
how they handled the airing of it all.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, so they had this was on a delay two hours,
a two hour delay, and apparently like their explanation was, like,
we had a three hour broadcast because they did have
to explain editing some stuff out sure, and so they
were like, look, we had a three hour broadcast, we
had to cut it down to two hours. Some stuff
is going to get cut, not that. However, they did

(28:04):
not cut that at all. I also just want to know.
Lindo also said that he wished that quote. Someone from
BAFTA spoke to us afterwards. They're just like wild didn't
say anything. They're just like, ooh awkward.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I think, and again speaks to the you know, whiteness
of it, all of being like, well they're used to that, right,
They're like and they and and that guy also he
did it involuntarily, like let's let's just not let's just
really not approach this and acknowledge anything.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Because it's a shitty situation for everybody.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I'm sure the guy is mortified that his tick just
ended up like kind of completely overshadowing the night. Michael B.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Jordan and many other people who are like, you know,
it's not ideal.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I get it, and I don't know how else you
handle it, but maybe yeah, you could have somebody from
the BAFTA Awards could have been like, we're so sorry,
about that, you know, please tell us how we can,
you know, help you or if you're affected by this.
Da da da da dah.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
And then I think which also made it quite baffling,
was you're like, okay, so you you don't censor someone
screaming out a racial slur at all, And whether or
not that's because you're trying to bring away I don't
know what the purpose of that is. However, you did
cut other things, like when the winners of the Outstanding

(29:26):
British Debut, these two Nigerian brothers, Wallet Davies and Acinola
Davies Junior, accepted their award and this part of the
speech was censor for some reason, but the racial slurs
were not. I'll I'll just give the last bit of
his acceptance speech.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
And lastly, to all those whose parents migrated to obtain
a better life for their children, to the economic migrant,
the conflict migrant, those under occupation, dictatorship, persecution, and those
experiencing genocide, You meta, your stories matter more more never.
Your dreams are an act of resistance to those watching
at home.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Archive your loved ones.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Archive your stories yesterday, today, and forever for Nigeria for London,
the Congo Sudan, Free Palestine, thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, we can't have that. No, we can't have that.
Not that part, that part, that part way too way
too controversial.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Oh no, you said free Palestine. Yeah, uh uh, nope, no,
leave the N word, leave it, leave that. But we
can't have another Glostonbury. That is what we surely won't have. Yeah,
which is again apparently bought like the Bob Villain death
to the IDF Chante at Glostonbury was like that's all

(30:43):
they were thinking about. Yeah, there's there's no way we
can we can have anyone say anything that could potentially
hurt the feelings of the Israeli government or their lobbyists.
Please please please.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's so it's such a shitty.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Just I'm such a clear decision to make you know,
that's intentional. There's no way you go, Oh, we didn't
catch that part where he yelled it out and didn't
and didn't want to censor that at all or edit
that out.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
It had to be addressed in the in the show. Yeah,
and apparently they thought they addressed it so well that
they were like, well, no, don't want to show that. Yeah, no,
no to keep.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
This windmill to just fucking Larry Nance that thing from
the like.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
That apology to anyone who might have been offended. You
were offended by that? Yeah, yeah, I like you were offended. Sorry,
but that's kind of on you.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I feel like they could have spent a little more
time getting ahead of how they might have to explain
what had happened before, you know what I mean. So
you had something that was again acknowledging the empathy understanding
for this person with Tourette's and being like, dude, this guy.
Obviously this is involuntary and also where the part of
that is unfortunate, like in these public spaces things that

(31:58):
are horribly offensive will be sit and for that experience.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Or deeply whatever, you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
But this isn't really surprising, and especially in the UK
right now because the British government recently designated Palestine Action
a fucking terrorist group, as you know, because they want
to prevent the mass casualty crime of holding a sign
that says free Palestine. And how that over two thousand
people have been arrested for expressing support for Palestine Action

(32:26):
since then, and it's signs that say I oppose genocide
I support Palistine action.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, they had weapons, miles, they're holding weapons, they're holding plactice.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Those words are they hurt? But again, those two decisions
to completely excize any mention of the genocide and the
suffering of Palestinian people while completely leaving in a racial
slur being ailed at these two black men, I think
just completely reinforcess like the power of like hegemonic whiteness

(32:54):
and colonialism in a show that again was like the
Baptists have also caught flack for not being as diverse.
You know, it's the same thing like Oscar so white.
There was Bafti is so white, and they were you know,
they're making moves to try and have a more diverse,
inclusive awards show, but then you're doing shit like this

(33:15):
which completely just trods on all the suffering and things
that people have had to endure that you're trying to
supposedly honor on stage. So not a great move, Bathtub,
But look at you, look at you. Good it acknowledging
the Epstein files. Maybe not so good at acknowledging I'm sure, yeah,

(33:36):
and not maybe and probably leaving out some interesting details
about the who knows who knows at this point, but yeah,
it was just I think a lot of people it
was interesting because a lot of people on the internet
were just sort of treating this guy as just saying
like as if Donald Trump was in the audience, just
like yelling shit out, and it's like, well on a
hold on, hold hold on. Yeah, yeah, this this tourette syndrome,
and obviously like that is a shit like completely fucks

(33:57):
up everything to have to hear that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, I guess that he chose they chose sides for sure. Yeah,
all right. We should talk about the tariffs, because the
Supreme Court made a rare deviation from reflexively enforcing every
whim of the president with a six to three ruling
that declared many of Donald Trump's tariffs illegal. Roberts, Barrett,

(34:25):
and Gorsic came through or rejected whether the other justices, Yeah,
rejected the emergency tariffs, and the Court found the nineteen
seventy seven law designed to address national emergencies did not
provide the legal justification for most of the Trump administration's
tariffs on countries across the world. I mean, this is

(34:48):
like everybody has been saying that since he imposed them.
It was really just a question of like, were these
people so in the bag for Trump? You know, this
is the Supreme Court that was basically like, yeah, no,
I think the president can do basically whatever he wants
right a couple of years ago, And now it seems
like maybe they've seen the consequences of that ruling and

(35:10):
are like, oh, yes, we picked the wrong one. This
guy seems like a fucking disaster. But yeah, a bit
of a no shit ruling for people who pay attention
to the law and kind of understand what the law is, right.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well, yeah, because everything's like I'm going to do things
because I say it is, and then the Supreme Court's like,
I gush, I mean like maybe and so. And also
there's also reading an an article about like how federal
judges are like we don't know what the fuck to
do about the DJ Like they're breaking the law.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, and completely ignoring rulings.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
If they were lawyers who were not being representing the
Department of Justice, like you would be getting smashed to
bits with sanctions and shit. Yeah, but yeah, that's kind
of like the pace they're at. And I think also
too that immediately like well, I'm actually can I raise
it on everyone? The thing is part and parcel of
like that, do not let anyone show you to be weak,

(36:07):
and if they say no, you go harder at the expense.
It like the guy was saying, like, I'm allowed to
destroy the country if I want to.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, that was so wild. Like so he found out
in front of he like in front of the press,
like while he was doing a I don't know a breakfast,
and he just like started spiraling and called the court
totally defective and proclaimed that he's allowed to destroy the
country even if he can't impose.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
This is this is him saying, just doing jazz right
after it. But here he goes being like I can
do anything.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
But I am allowed to cut off any and all
trade or business with that same country. In other words,
I can destroy the trade, I can destroy the country.
I'm even allowed to impose a foreign country destroying embargo.
I can embargo. I can do anything I want, but
I can't charge one dollar.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Because that's not what it says. Yeah, he also said
I want to be a good boy, reminding us all
that most of these policies only exist because his parents
didn't love him.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, you know, and which is funny too, because what
was that on Friday. I think it was. He also
he went back to the daddy will I go to
heaven thing again? Yeah, he circled back to it. This
is when he was in Georgia.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's not worthy of heaven. I'm not gonna make it.
And I was having a good time going.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I was having fun.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I hope to make it, but I doubt I will, to.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Be honest with a lot of you, will, I'm not
say sure.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
If you guys read the e Fstem files, I don't
know if I'm gonna make kind of in there a lot,
there a lot. You know, something's something's eating away at
me subconsciously.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I can't quite put my finger on it. But I
don't know.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
I don't think I'm gonna add it.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
A few sunspecified things will not get me into heaven.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know, me floating down the river, sticks baby, talking
to my favorite band Sticks.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So that was in Georgia. He went on to tell
a prolonged anecdote about the time Andrew Seville, president of
KUSA Steele in Rome, Georgia, who Trump bragged was a
very powerful man, wanted to kiss him so badly. Did
you he's very powerful? I'm telling you. I met this

(38:35):
guy and he said something that his wife is going
to be extremely upset. I said, how are you doing?
He said, President, If I didn't have all these cameras running,
I would grab you and start kissing you violently.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh okay, Oh here's that. Oh wow, so interesting here.
This is actually at the first one.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Yeah, big enough to take the pressure in this room,
but a lot of the press right here. We're in Georgia,
and I said to the owner of I made a
speech at a factory they made steel products, and I said,
how are you nice to meet you? How's business?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
President, I'd love to kiss you.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's almost just like that set up alone. I'm doing
this thing. A'mout a steel factor. I meet the guy,
go how you doing? And he goes, President, I'd love
to kiss you. Holy shit, guys.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, this is like right after this is he just
found out that the Supreme Court overturned his tariff.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Right, Because this is a very classic classic reflex from Trump,
which is too if he takes an lge to immediately
talk about how someone said I will die without you, sir. Yeah,
if it were not for your love and salvation, I
would not be here.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Okay, this is a very powerful man. I don't want
to be kissed by that man. But a very powerful
strong man wh's been in the steel business for many years.
His father started it, and he said, sir.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I want to kiss you.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
He said, why should be? Because we were down to
work in one hour a week and then you came
in and imposed tariffs and all of that foreign junk
that they were dropping into our country stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Anyway, I like how he goes, Uh, he's a very
powerful man. I don't want to be kissed by that man.
But so you're just saying a little bit of very
powerful so something we're talking about agency.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now if he talking about consent, Oh, you think that's
what he is saying. I know. I was like being
like I thought he sensed one part of himself wanting
to be kissed by him, and so he know what
it is.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Kiss He's like, it's so fucking weird, because what are
you talking about. You're so fucking seen either, just talking
about some guy wanting to kiss you. President.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
If I didn't have these cameras running, I would grab
you and start kissing you violently. Yeah, maybe maybe he's
talking consent. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But you know what I mean, Like, it's just, uh, again,
this man has no business being president before all of
the sinility issues, and now to add to that, you're like,
this is this guy is part of a cover up, well,
one of the most heinous political cover ups of our
fucking ever. Yeah, and then he's also just just fucking

(41:13):
freestyling up there saying whatever, dude.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah. He then may or may not have decided to
call him to c SPAN.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
That was an impersonator. I listened to that call.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It was a good impersonator though. Yeah. Yeah, but has
that been confirmed?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It was an impersonator if you do, if you listen
to it, you're like, bro, Donald Trump does not sound
this clear, Chris. Yeah, no, No, that was like a
Crisp twenty dollars from like fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
They're like, no, they don't look like this anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
They're all crumpled up and have blood on them.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But yeah, So he's reacting to this in a very personal,
petulant way that we would expect him to, uh, bragging
the like powerful men want to kiss him. And in
the case of you know, his job as president, he
announced that he would replace the tariffs scrapped by the
court with a ten percent levy on all goods coming

(42:01):
into the US, and then on Saturday he was like, actually,
fuck it, it's fifteen, like just you know, losing an
argument with himself and being like we're gonna do We're
gonna do it this way. Yep, yep, souh. That's how
will that affect countries that have already negotiated ten percent
tariff deals with the US? Like the you don't Australia,

(42:23):
great question, don't have an answer, don't get fucked everybody
else at all.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, it's you don't know, we don't know. But it's
just like, again, this is one of those moments where
he has to project power, like it when he takes
these l's, and that's what makes me even more like, dude,
the Iran clock is feels like it's tacking. We'll probably
talk about it tomorrow's episode. But Benny Johnson's like already

(42:50):
trying to like prime the audience for whatever the fuck
he thinks is gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, can't be good. Yeah, let's take a quick break
and then we'll talk about cash btel, the Olympics and
other stuff that an FBI director seemingly would have been
better off in the US, worrying about we'll be right back.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
And we're back. We're back, We're back there.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So Cash battel loves taking vacations, but hates paying for vacations.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, he loves. He loves when we pay for it.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yes, when I when I pay my taxes and he
gets to travel as a result. He so he recently
traveled to Italy, but not to hang out at the Olympics.
FBI spokesperson Ben Williamson was like in a long argument
with the media, being like, guys, what are you talking about.

(43:56):
He's not there to like have fun and play at
the Olympics. So he posted a picture of him at
like some event, you know, just like something like taking
a picture next to a bunch of people who are
actually like working security at the Olympics, and Ben Williamson wrote,
this is the fourth public official event since Director Tell's

(44:16):
rival in Italy. And for those wondering, I've yet to
receive any follow up from CBS or ms now, who
purposefully misled people to think Cash was flying to Italy
to hang out at the Olympics. Okay, When an ms
now reporter asked if he'd be attending the gold medal
hockey game. Williamson responded your rag outlet wrote that he

(44:40):
went to hang out at the Olympics on the taxpayer dime,
even when provided information that your theory was false. When
you're ready to correct that, let me know, won't hold
my breath. So it's like, oh, you could have just
been like, yeah, he's going to the game while he's
there doing the thing. But instead he is like, you're fucked. Actually,

(45:02):
I'm going to kill you, kill you for asking that question.
And then, uh, the US hockey did win an overtime
thriller over Canada. Over Canada and anybody Canada. I was
rooting for Canada. I know if you got sucked in
by the US, you were made to immediately regret it

(45:25):
because their celebration was very Patel heavy. He was in
the locker room chugging beer, partying with the team. They
put the gold medal, gold medal on his neck.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's just listen to this and know that as I
play this clip, Cash Pattel's got took a beer bottle
from six to midnight, Okay, straight up in the air, perpendicular,
chugging a beer while they're the hockey team screaming around him,
throwing the beer around.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
The room, yes, splashing it on his head. He's screaming
like he's the motherfucking captain. He's banging the table. They
put the gold medal on him. Look at your fucking
broke boys. Right of that story that uh Joe Montana
tells where he was like, yeah, we all hated Rudy.

(46:19):
We were carrying him off the field sarcastically at the
end of the game. Because Caspitel is like half the
size of these guys.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
He and Cashptel plays hockey. Oh yeah, you like, these
are my brothers, these are my fellow comrades and hockey.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I hate that this motherfucker wears the same because he
was playing in a congressional hockey I remember last year
played in some congressional hockey game and I was like,
what the fuck, bro, this is the this is my
this is the one sport I could actually play decently.
I want to be out there. I want to see
Cashptel on ice. I want to see if you're nice
with the cast, because everything I've seen is not good.
And then also that fucking there's the he got Trump

(46:57):
on the phone too with them and was like, yeah,
we're gonna have to have you guys at down to
the White House, you fly you guys out there.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
But we're gonna have to invite the women's team to unfortunately,
and they're like say that, dude, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I might get impeached, and like they're all fucking laughing,
and then he's like I'm sure, uh, we're we're putting
it together now, and Cash Retel's like on it right
fucking now. Boss, Oh my god, I was so fucking insufferable.
And again you've got I don't know, Savannah Guthrie's mom
still missing. Yeah, fucking I know. I know they've completely

(47:36):
passed on doing any kind of civil rights investigation for
the Ice shootings, but you know, the fucking epic, there's
a there's so many other fucking things that you know,
if you're the head of the fucking FBI, you shouldn't
be out there slamming fucking bud light in Italy.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, there's a MAGA guy who like showed up at
mar A Lago over the weekend. Yeah, yeah, tried to
enter mar A Lago with a shotgun and a gas can. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
The Secret Service killed this guy. Yeah, because he apparently
was like there to do some fucking wild shit. And
again there's another MAGA person. Although the right was immediate like.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
It's probably some trans left wing block block blot.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
No, this guy was full on fucking maga. And guess what.
He apparently was getting really frustrated over the Epstein files
and what he believed was a cover up and kept
telling co workers that powerful people were quote getting away
with it.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Interesting theory by that guy.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Interesting theory by that guy, Cash Betel, drink your beer bottle.
He only got three SIPs in. But that's okay, Cash,
You're terrible FBI director. Uh and just such a just
like a joke. And now that it's funny to hear
the right wingers being like, oh, he's being patriotic. It's like, yeah,
go in there and shake a hand.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah you don't have the beer congratulate them. Yeah, don't
you don't need to be like doing keg stands like
being the fucking life of the party.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
When yeah, when the perception is you are a deeply
unseerious head of the FBI who would rather be fucking
around than actually doing any kind of law enforcement, going
in there and screaming fuck girl, this fucking goal.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, is not the look okay, not great? Not great.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Cash peop were like Obama hung out with celebrities and
it's like, what does that even mean? What are you
talking about? Show me where he's coming in here and
get him beer all over himself, like in the fucking
locker room while all these other important things are going on.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So yes, Cash Betel continue to be a Joe. Yeah,
that does. That does suck. Just to like be from
the US sometimes, you know, you get you get sucked
in by the broadcasts and being like this guy like
came from nothing. He's like from this town in Massachusetts,
and you're like, all right, here we go. And then

(49:55):
they're like yeah, Cash, yeah you love it. President Trump, Yeah,
funk off guys.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah. I think there's some of the like it's probably
one of the most maga of the professional sports league.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean you go to a
hockey game, it's like a fish concert in there. That
is a white crowd. Yeah, but you've got among the
whitest group of people that yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
I was always I definitely heard some interesting things being
black and these hockey players in the nineties. There's times
you're like huh all right, uh oh, I think I
think like some like white supremacists think like this is
their basketball or something. Right, Yeah, you know what I mean.
That's not like when black players are doing what they're like.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah. And finally, we have a report that support for
Israel was a net negative for the Kamala Harris twenty
twenty four camp. Okay, who put this out some kind
of one of the radical left wing groups, the DNC.
So the DNC conducted the secret autopsy of the four

(51:04):
election Oh my god, secret they they, I mean, it
wasn't secret until they came up with this finding where
they met with Institute for Middle East Understanding and admitted
that the Biden Harris administration support for Israel was a
factor in the party's losses because it drained support from
some young people and progressives.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
No shit, guys, wow wow, wow, that didn't help the
enthusiasm gap.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Hunha, it didn't. Whatever the Republicans say, well then wait,
what's the difference? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Sorry, okay, okay, that's so funny of like why it's
like secret?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
L yeah like that.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Everyone with a brain was like, yeah, there's a lot
of people who are upset about this, and are telling
you that constantly.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
All you did pour it out of the BAFTAs you know, yeah,
right right right, yeah exactly, But yeah, it's being withheld
from the public because of its findings on Israel, which
the DNC is denying. But pretty much everybody's like, why
else would you hold what?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah exactly, Like isn't this shouldn't this be instructive as
you pursue office again? Mm hmm okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Seems like me not shows why these democrats who are
gonna be fucking vying for people's support are gonna This
is how they're still moving.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
It's still like a fucking sheep, not our policies. Stop,
don't tell us it's our policies. Guys, how we say things,
it's it's no.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Margin slightly better than what's happening now, okay, right, okay,
Jesus Christ. And then what are the learnings from that?
It's gonna be like, just don't talk about it at all,
make it illegal to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. All right. Those are
some of the things that are trending on this February
twenty third. We are back tomorrow with a whole last
episode of the show. Until then, be kind to each other,
be kind to yourself, get your vaccines where you still
can't get your flu shots, don't do nothing about white supremacy,
and we will talk to you all tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Bye bye.

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