August 26, 2026 • 61 mins
In episode 2115, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and co-host of The Bechdel Cast, Caitlin Durante, to discuss… Whiny Ass Flock CEO Says We Need To COMPROMISE,Tech Industry Claiming Our Anti-AI Backlash Is A Chinese Psyop, WNBA Outrage Op Confirmed and more!
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- Trump-Aligned America First Policy Institute Backing Ex-NBA Player Tossed from WNBA Game
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Dude, Dolly Parton? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I just saw.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We just got done recording, and then Victor sent that
text through, and I was talking to Brad, Catherine, and
I was like, Brad Dolly Parton! No! The announcement, though,
with her nephew, like it felt like it was like
a head of state had passed because like this thumbnail
of her of her nephew, like in a suit with
a black backdrop. And he's just like, I'm here to
represent the family, blah, blah, blah, to inform you of
(00:32):
the passing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Telling you that this is this is more than a
head of state. You know, this is like for many people,
like I'd say the closest we have is like a
pope passing. But like she's got a whole she's a
religious figure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Dollywood? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Is it an amusement park or what even is that?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh, yeah, it sure is. But you can also go
and visit the one-bedroom cabin that she was born in. Whoa.
Which they've recreated there. Huh. Yeah, yeah. So it's like
somewhere between Disneyland and Vatican City, you know? Got it.
It's like a shrine. Combining the best parts of both. Yes, yes.
(01:16):
And there are good parts. I've always said the Vatican
City should have more rides.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Dude, have you had the popcorn and the churros at
the Vatican City? My favorite thing, because during Christmas, they
dye them red.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Vatican City's Dole Whip comes with a dull crown of thorns.
Dole Whip? It's a cat of nine tails. That whip
that they used on Jesus.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Dole Whip? Dolly? Is there something there?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Dolly Whip?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Do they serve Dolly Whip? I think that's too aggressive
an object. for her to associate, you know? So she's
like a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
She is a butterfly. Hello, the internet, and welcome to
Season 453, Episode 3 of Der Daily Zeitgeist! It's a
production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where you take a
deep dive into American shared consciousness through the day's news.
(02:09):
We also have a new non-news history version of the
Daily Zeitgeist dropping each Monday morning called The Iconograph, where
we do a deep dive into the Zeitgeist through the
lens of a different icon. On Monday, we dropped a
big one, Madonna. And, I mean, we... Episode towards the end.
We'll probably rerun this in the next couple of days.
But we also have a Dolly Parton iconograph. Yeah. It
(02:33):
is worth checking out.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We found out she passed right as we stopped recording.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Right as we stopped recording. That was not us ignoring
her passing on yesterday's trending. It was just... Please send
your thousand prayers to Lydia Popovich, our number one. We
reached out to her immediately. Immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And she was just saying, she said, I regret nothing.
Everyone in the world but me is like, I should have.
I'm so happy I allowed myself to soak up the
sun while I could. Because, you know, she moved to
Tennessee because she loved going to Dollyland so much. And
she's like, I regret.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh, sorry, Dollywood. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Forgive
my ignorance, Lord. Forgive my ignorance, Lord. This is like...
Now the full coronation can begin. Not saying that this
is good in any way, but she is, as we
talked about on the Dolly Parton iconograph, she is almost
a religious figure, probably the closest we've gotten to a
(03:27):
religious figure in the icons that we've covered. I do
wonder how people will process this and whether a hundred
years from now people will be having... Her picture in places.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If people are not realizing why they're getting it tatted
on them. It's just that face that my grandma had tatted, too.
I think it's something the old people like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Anyways, those episodes drop on Monday. They have Icon in
the title. But right here, it is Wednesday, August 26th, 2026.
Happy birthday to my sister, Shannon. Okay, Shan. Shout out
to Shan. All right. Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's also National Dog Day, National Cherry Popsicle Day, National
Toilet Paper Day. And hey, shout out the 19th Amendment
because it's Women's Equality Day. 1920 was the ratification of
the 19th Amendment.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amazing. Although many people are now trying to claw that
shit back. Bring that back. Bring that funky track back.
They were talking about the 19th Amendment. It's a funky track.
That's what a lot of people do to describe the
19th Amendment.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Did anyone see Monsters and... No, sorry. Minions and Monsters?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wow. Wow, you put the monsters first? Caitlin, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Something's happening. I feel sick.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Get Caitlin off of here. I told you something seemed off.
This is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay so minions and monsters uh-huh there's like a whole
part where like women the like the women's suffrage movement
is happening in the backdrop of the story and like
the minions help.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay help the women suffer why are you that'd be
crazy if they worked against it but.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No i think they're they're for it it's i already
forget a lot of the things about the movie but
I just remember, like, that's part of the backdrop. Because
it's set in, like, old Hollywood, like, silent film era. So,
around that time, when we're trying to get the vote.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And then they promptly disappeared during World War II. Is
that correct? Because they're, like, they're... Lore is that they
always work on behalf of the worst, biggest, bad guy.
The most despicable person. But, however, they did take a
break during World War II.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, they went into an Arctic cave. Yeah, if you
recall from the opening montage of Minions..
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Minions 1, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They explain. I think they also... It might be after...
I forget after what historical event that they decide to
just like... fuck off into some arctic cave uh but
i think they might be absent for world war one as.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well that's probably good yeah yeah they probably could have
gotten away with it honestly if i'm being honest then
they need a little run with pole pot i remember
that was fun they don't talk about that much but.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
They also keep retconning the like the lore and the
world building for minions so who who knows.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
If they keep doing that, then nothing is sacred.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And just come out, you cowards, and say, yeah, they
fucked up a little bit when.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They lived in the Weimar Republic, okay? They didn't know.
It was a weird time, man, but all those minions
are gone, okay? It's new bats. You don't want to
know about the Spanish Inquisition. You don't want to know
about the Spanish Inquisition, all right? I'm just saying. Oh,
you want to know about Dr. Torquemada? My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
(07:04):
Minneapolis Spider-Man. Chase a truck, beat the fuck out of
five-foot-two Nazi cuck. Watch out! Twin City Spider-Man. That one,
courtesy of BirdTurgler on the Discord. Oh. Yeah. I didn't
realize that dude was 5'2, that he beat the shit
out of. Beat the glasses off of? That little guy?
Did you see that photograph? Oh, no. No, really? Spider-Man
(07:27):
punching that... Nazi guy in the face and his glasses
are like flying off like it is an actual cell
from a Marvel comic. Did the guy do the thing?
He's like, you wouldn't punch a Nazi with glasses, would you?
He threw them on real fast. Also, yeah, made a
(07:47):
visible wap. Sound. It was weird.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Did you ever think that because of, like, the Batman
movie when Jack Nicholson, when he's getting beat up and
he's like, you wouldn't punch a man with glasses, would you?
That that was sort of like some kind of sacred thing,
like a societal thing. It's like, you can't punch a
man in glasses.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I did think that. Did that work on you? Yeah,
it definitely worked on me. I was like, oh, is
that a real defense? I don't think he was the
first person to say that, though. No, I'm sure not.
I think he was the first person to put the
glasses on in the moment. Hmm. But I don't know
that he was the first person to say it. I
do know that holds a sacred place in your heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(08:23):
Because you bring it up a lot. And I'm thrilled
to be joined by you. I still keep getting beat
up even when I put them on. I got to
stop getting drunk. I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host, Mr.
Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Fent lean on
me when you're not strong.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Jesus is there.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He'll help you tie one off. Fent lean on me.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
All right, shut up, Boof Life, for that one, where
we were wondering if when Jesus was the one taking
that heroin on your behalf, that's why the shit just
isn't hitting the same anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Right. Because of Jesus getting in the way, getting that
arm in the way. And when there was one set
of footsteps in the past, if... He was putting his
arm over your shoulder and taking that. This is all
referencing a work of art that I'm sure most people
haven't seen. But if you just Google Jesus heroin, and
(09:21):
I'm sure you'll find it. It's one of those like
Christian art paintings where Jesus is throwing his arm over
the shoulder of somebody. Whoa. It looks like Joey Fatone from... Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And he's putting his arm in place of the person's arm.
I didn't realize how... Like a vaudeville routine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I didn't realize how pained Jesus was in this.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He's like, oh, shit, bro. This is disgusting. Either pained
or like it's really good shit. I don't know. It's
tough to say. Yeah, God, the guy does look like
Joey Fatone.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Anyways... That's actually way better than I remember. Does Jesus
get fucked up? Does the person not get fucked up?
You know, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, also, you see these nunchucks over here on
the doorknob?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Also, Jesus has a tattoo on his arm.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, it's the guy's arm, right? So it's like the
guy has it. No, it's somehow, it's Jesus's arm, but
the guy's arm, it's very. It's metaphorical. Yeah. Yeah. But
the tattoo does beg a strange question of like what, man,
this guy parties. Yeah, dude. We're looking at the, we're
looking around the painting. Well, he's got a gun. He's
(10:37):
got a revolver. He's got like a cowboy revolver. Two cards.
I guess he's playing blackjack with himself. He's got a
little mirror with lines of cocaine. He's a king and
a joker though.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Glass of whiskey, bottle of vodka.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I'm sure if we ask the guy who painted it,
he's like, man, if you look, every single thing is
a detail, man. The skull, the nunchucks on the doorknob.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Why are there nunchucks on the doorknob? I love that
there are nunchucks on the doorknob. This guy's gone down
a dark path. We will link off to that in
the footnotes. Let's remember to link off to that picture.
You know we're going to have to face swap that one.
I don't think it's a photo. No, it's a painting.
Very much a painting. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined
(11:17):
in our third seat by one of our very favorite guests,
the talented writer, stand-up comedian, co-host of the Bechdel cast,
one of the great film podcasts. They also happen to
have a master's degree in film and the most anagrammable
name in the English language. So if you've been given
their name in a jumble of out-of-order Scrabble tiles, you
may know them as Lauren D. Titanic. Nine Tit Dracula,
(11:39):
but to us, they will always be Caitlin Durante! Latin
dancer UTI!
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yay!
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The Durantula. I'm back. What's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Great to see you.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Any thoughts on that Jesus Heroine painting? As a storyteller,
how did that issue?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Had you seen that before? We did have a long
conversation yesterday contingent on the fact that people had seen that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I had not seen it before, but I feel absolutely
enlightened now.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah. That's what drugs were. Jesus is taking all of
your drugs.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's canon. That's a weird superpower that Jesus has.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
This artist was born in Paris, Kentucky. That feels like
the best punchline to a joke. I didn't even know
there was a Paris, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, there's a Paris in everything. Sakura Blue. Paris. Paris.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
France.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I'm not familiar with that one.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Certainly not.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know Paris, Texas. And I definitely know Paris, Kentucky.
I bet they pronounce it in a funny way. What
if it's actually pronounced Perry? Perry. Oh, okay. I didn't know.
We're home of the Jesus heroin artist, if you didn't recall.
There's a town in Kentucky called Versailles. Oh, I like that.
That's obviously named after Versailles. Is it spelled like S-A-L-E-S
(13:02):
or it's spelled like Versailles? It's spelled like Versailles and
it's pronounced like Versailles. I like if it's just Ellis Island.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's just V-E-R-S-A-L-E-S.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Versailles.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There's a town next to my hometown called Dubois, Pennsylvania,
which should be like Dubois, but it's Dubois.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay. Yeah. Y'all going down to, Ian's going down to Dubois.
W-E-B Dubois.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
People would say that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah. That's it. I was doing my Caitlin impression there.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you nailed it with the yins.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah. Yins.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yins going down. Super producer Justin points out there is
Marseille town in Illinois that is pronounced Mar-sales. Mar-sales is
funny for some reason. Hey, Mar-sales. That's the funniest one. Anyways, Caitlin,
we're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
(13:59):
that we're talking about. Today, we're catching up with the
Flock CEO. We've heard what the people who are mad
at Flock have to say.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
What about the Flock CEO?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah. He's just he's a young guy. 38-year-old CEO trying
to make his way in this world. So we'll talk
to him. No, we won't. We'll check in with him.
We will check in with other tech industry luminaries who
have a theory on where all this anti-AI, anti-tech, anti-tech
(14:32):
industry data center backlash is coming from. And it's not
from their bad actions. Okay, good, good, good. We'll talk
about the WNBA outrage. And specifically, we speculated, it seemed
interesting that people went and interviewed some of the people
who were at WNBA games protesting against the trans people
(14:57):
who are not playing in the WNBA. But they've decided
to make up this problem and then go protest it.
And we have more details about where these people are
coming from. Because somebody interviewed them and was like, top
five WNBA players. And they knew two. And it was
the same two. Caelan Clark. Sophie Cunningham. Michelle Jordan? Is
(15:23):
that one? No, not Michelle Jordan. I'm sorry. All right.
That's it for me. Karen Abdul-Jabbar. Is that one? No.
Jesus Christ. All right. Lisa Bird. You're almost there. Sue Bird.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is that what you meant to say?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That too. That too. Can you keep
going on this? I can keep riffing, man. I got
all day, man. All of that, plenty more. But first, Caitlin,
we do like to ask our guests, what's something from
your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Well, I did a little search this morning for Bechtelcast
tickets just to see what would come up because we
just put tickets on sale for an upcoming 10-year anniversary
tour of the Bechtelcast.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Woo! Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
10 years on the fucking set.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Mm-hmm. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Ten years. And have you... What did it say on
the poster? Did you find them?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We still haven't toppled patriarchy or something?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, we..
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's called the 10-year... Whoops, we didn't dismantle the patriarchy..
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Anniversary tour.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Great. I love that. The great
catchphrase of the great Bechdel cast is dismantling the patriarchy
one movie at a time. And there's a lot of movies,
you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so many movies.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
We've covered... Close to 700 total.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And yet, the patriarchy remains.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think it topples at 900. That's the number that
I had in mind from the start. And I said
that from the start. I think Malcolm Gladwell said 10,000 movies.
10,000 movies. And he knows. And he knows. And he knows. Yeah.
Are you guys doing different movies on each tour stop?
Have you figured out.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Exactly how the tour is? We're not even doing a movie.
We're doing more of just like a reflection of the
past 10 years. There's going to be games, presentations, videos.
We're going to be in costume. So the first leg
of the tour, and I will plug this every chance
I get.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Plug it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
First leg of the tour is in the Northeast. So
we're heading up New York, Boston, Philly, State College, Pittsburgh,
and did I already say Baltimore? No.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
No, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And then Boston. Did I say that one?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You said Boston.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So all of those cities. And that's in October. And yeah,
we're just going to have a fun time, Jamie and me.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Having a blast.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man, 10 years. Well deserved. Absolute joy. One of the
great live shows in addition to being one of the
great podcasts. Thank you so much. Sounds like a really good...
We were lucky enough to do a joint live show
many years ago. That was so fun. Dynasty typewriter. Yeah,
it was about The Matrix. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And I'll be honest, Caitlin, Jack and I still haven't...
We haven't rised to those heights since then.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, we're all just... Been afraid to go on the road.
Just trying to reach that height that we want. Except dang,
Jesus's arm keeps getting all the good hair in the way.
Getting all the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, maybe we'll have to reunite again on stage.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Maybe we should do that on stage. Actually, we do
that for if we do a live show. Someone gets
to be Jesus and does the heroin shot.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Reenacting Paris. Yeah. And the last thing is that me
carrying you on the sand.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Just like the saddest live show. They're like, what the
fuck is this Christian fundamentalist podcast?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's like the Landlord's live show from Big Lebowski. A
series of cycles of wordless actions. Caitlin, what is something
you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I think that whimsy matters. Especially as an adult is underrated.
People aren't whimsical enough. They don't appreciate whimsy enough.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What's the most common dismissal of whimsy you see from people?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
People are just like, grow up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And I..
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What is that being said in response? Let's give some
examples of whimsy. Context.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, well, I'll give you an example from my life.
So I have a universal... Studios Hollywood season pass, of course.
And probably once or twice a month, I will go
there just to walk around the park, walk down the
stairs to the lower level, ride the mummy, walk back
(20:07):
up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
The guy dressed as a mummy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Just on his back. Oh, the mummy ride. Okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I'm not having sex with..
Speaker 3 (20:17):
In my mind, it's a piggyback ride where he's like
trying to talk and you just jump and you're like,
guess who?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And he's like, ah, what the fuck? Whee!
Speaker 2 (20:25):
No, the mummy is the best ride there. Although I
haven't ridden the new Fast and the Furious roller coaster.
It seems really fun.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
All the people in Toluca Lake are complaining about it, though.
They're like, I hear people having fun from my lake
that we don't share with the public, which makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But, yeah. It's so fun that, like, an entire neighborhood
in Los Angeles is, like, the squeals of delight are
too good.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's just, like, I mean, the people they interview are, like, these, like,
you know, boomers who are like, I have my coffee
out here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And every two minutes I'm hearing people go, what?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what I'm talking about. The dismissal of whimsy.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We're having a fun.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Whimsical time.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Where do you get in your mind that that's the
right take to have? I didn't pay for that. Too
much joy. I'll tell you another thing. You're doing an
Andy Rooney routine against... the sounds of children laughing. Right.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Wait, did you say you walk up the stairs? You're
going up on foot or are you taking an escalator?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There's more of my story.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
When you said that, I was like, hold on, that's
a very big staircase you're taking.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So I do this once or twice a month to
get a workout in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Those steps are no joke for people who.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Haven't been to the Universal. There's 350 of them.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It's kind of the most dramatic stairs I've ever been on. Yeah.
When you go from the top of Universal Studios to
the lower level, you get to the top and you
feel like you're at the top of a roller coaster. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Truly.
And then most people ride the escalator down. That's right,
but not me.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah. I'm working out. I go to Universal to get exercise.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's like an Ironman. You're running an Ironman.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You go to the lower lot, ride the mummy, head
up the stairs again.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yes. And then usually just leave. And I do that.
So that's in lieu of just going on a walk
around my neighborhood. I'm like, why do that when I
could ride a roller coaster in the middle of it?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah. What if my neighborhood had like a section of
it that was based on The Simpsons.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right? That would be fun and whimsical.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, that would be a thing I would probably walk
more around my neighborhood, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Absolutely. So I tell people that I do this pretty frequently,
and they're like, some people are like, that's awesome. I
wish I had had, like, I should do that. That's
a great idea. And then other people are like, okay, weird.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
How's that weird you know why i get this because
i also back when you know universal was doing like
bye one day and we'll let you come here for
two years straight free we won't even ask anymore we
are dying i had one of those i had one
of those passes too and i remember i went around
christmas time i would go to whoville fucking high as
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shit eat a churro like with airpods in and i
would just pretend it was like a park Like I
was treating that shit like a public park.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I wouldn't even go do a ride. I'm like, I'm
gonna have a churro. I'm gonna do some people watching
and I will go home because I live in North Hollywood.
It's very easy to go. So lay down on a
picnic blanket in the middle of Toonville.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But the weird thing, when you do that for the
first time, it goes against kind of like our millennial
understanding of a theme park, which is like, that is
a day that you're making out of it. That's a
thing you put on a calendar. There's all this buildup
because it's not cheap to go and you like make
a day out of it. So like when you move
into like, bro, I'll go there for 15 minutes, walk
the stairs and leave. It kind of blows people's minds
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to be like, but that's a theme park. You can't
just treat it like a park.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So I'm, yeah. Fuck, fuck that. Yeah. Go, go fucking
do the stairs. Get your 30,000 steps in.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Thank you so much. And there are many other examples
of whimsy that people dismiss.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But what's an easy way to, To regain that sense
of whimsy. Not all of us are blessed with a
universal pass.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Exactly, right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Skipping while we're walking down the street?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm speaking from a place of privilege.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, come down from your ivory tower, your minion yellow tower. Yeah.
Your ivory tower atop the giant minion. Minion appears down
on the Koanga Pass.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I mean, I don't know, just like little things. Like
I had cake for breakfast because I had leftover cake
for my friend's birthday last night.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And was that the best idea I've ever had?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But I'm not going to do it every day.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm just having a whimsical time. Maybe I'm using whimsy
as an excuse to, like, excuse really childish behavior. But.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But that's kind of what whimsy is, right?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Give in a little bit to your inner child
every once in a while. Cake for breakfast is a
great idea. Thank you. Have some fresh baked donuts. Exactly.
What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So, speaking of being an adult, I think summer, as
an adult especially, is incredibly overrated. I might have said
this one before. I don't remember. But I hate summer
so much.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, you're consistent with this. I like this.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It is hot. It is humid in most places, including L.A.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's been a very humid summer, and that is not what...
this place is all about you still have to like
work as an adult throughout the summer because it was
great when you were a kid and you had school
off and summer was something to look forward to and
i understand loving it as a kid but as an
adult you just have to continue on with your normal
life except now you're incredibly sweaty and disgruntled.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And like there are like in other countries like in
europe particularly people just take off for the sun like
the sun yeah places shut down because they're like no
what yeah no this is a bad like the reason
kids get off in the summer is because not not
because of like some student president student body president who
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like fought for the rights of kids is because it
was like wildly uncomfortable and terrible to be in like
sitting somewhere doing work in hot weather.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, isn't it also that to this day, the current
school day is modeled after a century or more ago
when kids had to, they were helping out on the
family farm. So that's why school starts earlier than the
typical workday. um it's why it ends earlier and then
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because like kids had to like get up early and
do the harvest and then go to school and then
summer is off because like that's harvest season so right
i think i don't.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Know and that i think we should bring back i
think these.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Kids back everyone easy oh yeah when i hear about
working on the family board.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There's oh god the npr has a story it says
agrarian roots think again debunking the myth of summer vacations
origins really did I don't want to hear this NPR
not right now.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did I fall for the the propaganda.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh no agrarian propaganda damn it Caitlin oh shit we
worked so hard we worked so hard but yeah I
mean like I think the other thing too is as
obviously earth death is becoming more and more pronounced for
people too and like we're just in a run of
like Plus 95 degree weather for I don't even know
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how many days.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
At this point. Yeah. I'm like, can we take a
can we take a page out of Spain's book here? Yeah,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yo, too fucking hot right now. Fucking go to sleep, bro.
We'll do this shit at eight tonight and go to
bed later. But like right now, this shit is too
fucking hot.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
What if they're like in the same way that they
used to call school when there was like too much
snow on the ground? What if there was just a
universal rule that when there was a heat advisory? on
no school no heat advisory doesn't really mean anything unless
you have like kids that you're sending out into it
like it doesn't doesn't affect me as an adult but
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what if they were just like there's a heat advisory
on there i was like yeah like running out into
the streets opening fire hydrants no we need that water
for the forest fire this is how we celebrate no
use those regenerative cooling packs please Throwing regenerative cooling packs
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in the air, as we do. Yep, as we do.
All right. Great overrated, underrated, Caitlin. And search history. Everybody
should be going out and making that their search history
as well. Wait, what other cities are you hitting?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You said Northeast, but let people know so they can
wet their..
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Their beaks i don't know what's that their whistles their
lips get excited their beaks would mean that you're giving
them a taste of the door hey let me wet
my beak on that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Huh with their appetite yes yeah catherine um yeah spelled
w-h-e-t wow is that real yeah it's not wet as
in like.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Wet water to sharpen Wait, what was your question, Miles?
What other thoughts? You said you're starting off northeast. Where
else do people expect you?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Um then in and this hasn't been announced officially but
here's a little peek behind the curtain it's a zeitgang
um we are aiming to go up the west coast
in january what um yeah And then we haven't planned
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the rest of it yet. How far are we talking?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Up west? Are we crossing borders?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I would love to go to Vancouver.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Fuck me, too.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And then whatever's north of that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. North Pole for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, Santa Claus wants to see.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The Bechdel cast. Huge fan. I mean, that would be
a great location for a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back
and we'll talk about whiny-ass tech CEOs. We'll be right back.
And we're back. We're back. And we got a new
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name to add to the list of people who suck. Uh-huh. Yeah.
And it's kind of an easy one to remember because
his last name is Garrett Langley. Yeah. Get it? Langley? Yeah.
Trevor Abu Grabe. But yeah. Gary Guantanamo. Garrett Guantanamo.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He is the CEO, 38-year-old CEO of Flock Safety. I
believe he's a Georgia Tech graduate.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh, hell yeah. Before this was like, working on apps.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
They were like, what if you like upgrade your tickets
to like a VIP experience, like out of game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And then they're like, what? And then he's like, all right,
how about this? That's my impression of every, every young
executive in the world. It's like what they've been doing
for the past 10 years. How about we upgrade experience?
Like what if we did white glove experience for your apps? What? No. Oh,
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how about this one? Uh, A monthly car subscription called Clutch?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Is that really him? Yeah, that was the thing he
did before. Monthly car. Imagine if everyone owned a garage
full of cars matching the perfect ride for the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Wait, do you remember something like this? I remember something
like that. That was like a subscription service for cars,
but I don't think it was even this one. He
was like, it was like you could rent, but that's
what I was thinking of. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
This is, I guess being like, Hey, give us a
monthly fee that you pay into.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And then we're going to charge so much new car
shows up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh, so you can, you can be like, I'm going
to a fancy dinner. I want, whatever, like luxury car.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But it sounds like this is a subscription service, so
you're just like, oh, wow, surprise me. Right, right. A
tasting menu of cars? That's just like... For October, you
have a pickup truck. I know that you've typically enjoyed...
luxury sedans, but you have a Ford F-150. We do
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things a little differently around here with car ownership. But anyway,
Garrett Langley, he's obviously been dealing with a bunch of naysayers,
people who respect shit like their privacy. He went on
Fox to talk to Kaylee McInerney. to defend his surveillance
tech and insisted.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Basically that in order for Americans to be safe, we
need to compromise on the stupid ass need for fucking privacy.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Are you serious? What are you guys in the 1920s?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
He's not going to mention the fact that we are
in the midst of crime rates falling. We're not in
a crime wave, which they always want you to believe,
so we are more willing to give up our rights.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, but you could point to one month of dip
in crime. Oh, it's a multi-century or multi-decade trend. Oh, okay,
got it, got it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But again, he started this idea because he saw all
the crime in Atlanta that wasn't being addressed, so he
decided to hook up a smartphone to a fucking light pole,
and that was kind of the first iteration of Flock.
And now we have this scourge of, you know, AI
cameras that everyone hates.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's his apple falling on his head story. Yeah. Founding myth.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I was hanging out with some racist boomers who gave
me this idea.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
They were really scared. And they gave me some seed money.
So there were black people walking by on our street.
And they were really, really frightened.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
God, I wish I could surveil people all the time.
So here he is talking up, you know, again. Guys,
we got to make a decision here. Is it safety
or privacy? Because you can't have both. I value my privacy.
My family values their privacy. My employees value their privacy.
But what we're talking about is safety as well. And
so I think when people talk about just one of these,
privacy or safety, they're prioritizing the wrong thing. What we
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have to prioritize as a country is compromise. How do
we have our safety and how do we balance privacy?
And so when I think about legislation that calls for
an outright ban, that's like banning vehicles.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
That would never have made sense. Instead, what we did
is we introduced laws against drunk driving.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We introduced laws around seatbelts, laws around airbags.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Okay, genius. That was an interesting one. It's like getting
rid of vehicles. Yeah, yeah, that's a really, really shitty pitch. Yeah, guys,
my stalker cameras are like vehicles.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Vehicles that will share your data with ICE. You know,
like those vehicles that like snitch on you for protesting
or like vehicles.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, that watch your children, follow your children around. Remotely
watch your kids play at a pool, you know, vehicles.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Interesting. I mean, again. Cars were a thing that definitely
have downsides, but I've always been very critical of cars
and specifically the moment where they kind of put their
thumb on the scale and made it so that a
lot of local public transport got fucked over in favor
of cars, but they also changed. They were like, they
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made it so you could like live 25 miles from
work and like be fine with that. This doesn't solve anyone's,
any problem that anyone has. You're making up a problem, asshole. Counterpoint.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You said vehicles enable people to work 25 miles from
their job, right? Flock cameras allow you to stalk your
ex-girlfriend from 25 miles.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Away from wherever they are. That's true. Obviously, I wasn't
thinking about that. I don't have a rebuttal.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Don't fumble the flock bag we're about to get, man.
Don't fumble the bag. Also, I hate when people like
conservatives or people who are promoting the surveillance state always
give you this dumb false choice.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's got to be. It's like, what do you want?
We saved you on privacy.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And then you say, but what we need is compromise.
Yet they're not willing to compromise on their end. They're saying,
this is what it is. Now you need to compromise.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Is there any compromise happening on your end being like, oh, yeah,
maybe this isn't. I mean, obviously, it's existential at that point.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What's he going to say? You know what, guys? You're right.
I'm an idiot. This is stupid. This is so unnecessary.
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Also, safety and privacy are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah. Caitlin, you just said they were.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh this guy went to georgia tech oh darn it.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Got me there yeah i mean it's interesting like the
brand of flock camera couldn't be like less popular and
more toxic to people like to the point where like
i think we were referencing it earlier this week of
just countless city hall meetings where you'll have like some
cop to be like Well, I got these cameras to
help us make us safer.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Now everybody's getting mad at me. Like, I don't even understand. Like,
don't call.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Don't come crying to me when someone takes something from
your house because you didn't want to. You put up
these intrusive cameras. And then in Sullivan County, Tennessee, this
Republican county commissioner named Joe Carr, who's a Republican, mind you.
He's like even being like, this is terrible, which to me,
I never whenever Republicans talk like this, I'm like, this
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is opportunistic. And like can't be because you're actually genuinely
outraged about people's privacy. But probably goes to show that
he's hearing enough ambiently that he's like, I'm not about
to be one of these people who's like, yeah, man,
I love a flock camera. So here here he is
talking to one of like a representative of flock who
because they've been sending out their goons to countless city
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council meetings to try and normalize the use of these cameras.
So this is this representative getting a bit of a
talking to from the county commissioner.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I don't think we need to renew this at all.
I don't think the people of Sullivan County want this.
I believe that Flock right now is one of the
most hated companies in America. They are one of the
most corrupt companies in America.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And quite frankly, sir, I don't think we can make
America great again without hanging your CEO publicly for treason.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Your company is an enemy of the American government. Yikes.
Tied into a MAGA. Yeah. He got lynchings in there.
He got MAGA.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He got every little bit of flavor out of that soundbite.
But yeah, this is what Garrett Langley is up against,
this sentiment. Because people are just realizing more and more,
they're like, yeah, what the fuck are these things?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Every time you hear about it, it's like someone being
falsely identified or some weirdo accessing..
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Uh, like camera feeds when they say cops using it
to stalk ex-girlfriends seems to be the main thing that
it's offered, uh, the police that wasn't available to them before.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
They're so bad at like PR, you know, like the.
They still benefit from this myth that the police are
making people safe. And every example you have is like,
I don't know, this guy's a fucking freak stalker. This
guy's so shitty at his job, he didn't notice blood
on the floor at a crime scene. The enforcing of
the law seems to only just be brutalizing people. So, Flock, yeah,
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they have a bit of a ways to go to
actually get people to feel different.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And I can't believe he didn't win that argument at
that city hall and ended with the guy threatening to
hang his CEO when he had the two talking points of,
Flock is cars, and if you argue against this, you're
going to get murdered, dude. Yeah. And I'm not going
to be able to help you. At that point, it's
too late, dude. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
You know, because everybody's wish in this country is that
as they take their last dying breaths on their back
on the asphalt is to look up at the glowing
light of a flock camera capturing your fucking death.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah. Cool. Maybe they could like remix that or something,
do something fun with it.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
We're working with an AI company to make kind of
cool highlight reels pretty soon with some pretty cool guy,
Tate McRae, doing some original music for it.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
As for that anger, I think it's pretty clear where
that's coming from. That guy being so mad at the
flock CEO. That is wild. That guy to be like.
It's like so much. Make America great again until we
hang your CEO. If that was anybody besides a mega Republican,
I feel like that would have been a bigger story. Well, yeah.
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They love threatening people with lynching. That is true. It
just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's our thing.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's what we do. The uniformity of the backlash to
the tech industry that has kind of arisen of late.
Data centers are pulling like measles. Flock CEOs are being
threatened with lynching. Tech millionaires and billionaires have been floating
this idea that I think they honestly believe because like
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they're in this bubble with each other. They're like, amazing
vibes coding on your AI coding thing, bro. And like,
everybody's just, you know, talking to each other and talking
to other millionaires and billionaires. And then... They get out
and they see people don't like them. And they're like, what?
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Where is this coming from? You guys are being crazy.
Where is this? I like the idea.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Where is this coming from all of a sudden, guys?
I'm like a good tech billionaire. Like, what the heck?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
What are you guys reading? I'm giving you the opportunity
to build a massive building that makes tons of noise
and pollution in your community. But this community, this building
will produce no jobs and consume your water and electricity. So, like,
I don't get why you're being weird unless you're being
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brainwashed by China. Like, honestly, that's all I can come
up with. That is the theory they're sending around. China
is so frightened of the might of U.S. tech and U.S.
data centers that they're trying to make it unpopular by
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seeding social media campaigns with anti-data center bias. Do they
even have evidence or they're just saying this? They're just
saying this.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
You'd think they'd have one video to at least be like, See,
we're not just completely delusional about what's happening.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right. This one video that this person in China... Maybe
they'd even post a one video a person from China posted. Like,
you see? It's right there. Right. It also suggests that, like,
China is doubling down on data centers and, like, is
trying to keep up with USA... Like, China... is not like,
I think they have like 500 data centers in China
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and the U S has like 5,000. Yes. And they're
just like, yeah, I don't, I don't think they're worried.
I think they would probably be fine with the U
S continuing on this, like runaway scam, you know, where
it's just like death spiral. Yeah. This isn't, this isn't
being done to serve anybody, uh, Besides people who already
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have money, like the whole group, America's whole ethos now,
the whole paradigm for the United States is not like
what is going to be best for people or even
like what is going to make the most money for
the most people. It's what is going to make the
most money for the people who already have the most money,
which is not good. And like everybody's kind of figured
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that out now. And so everyone like the people with
the most money are just like trying. trying to find
more and more ways to, like, repackage this and remix
the news cycle so that that's not a thing that
everybody's kind of on to and being like, no, fuck
you guys. Like, this is bad. Where'd you hear that? China? Yeah, yeah.
And I did get that. I'm reading that talking point
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directly off of the People's Republic of China's dot com.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, China dot com.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
China dot com.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Such a tired counter-argument to just insist. It's one of
America's foes that's telling you to believe this, that capitalism
isn't good or billionaires and oligarchs running everything as you
toil and get less and less is a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
It's the communists, man. Where do you get these fucking ideas?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, it's, I think, you know, It's that everyone's got
that same, just that, that, that same dumb idea that
they just keep feeding each other and building on that.
They think it's good. And then like, to your point,
you go and meet somebody who has to live near
a fucking data center or understands what that means for
their like bills. And then they're like, Oh, I don't
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guess it is bad.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah but it's i mean i don't think they're close
to even thinking that though like during during the time
of like the monoculture we were all kind of in
a psyop where it was just like yeah you wouldn't
you wouldn't see that many interviews with people who were
living near data centers who you know like that wasn't
what was going to be covered if anything you'd see
those people who.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Are like we sold our farm for 20 million dollars
because of a data center thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
But like now it's harder to contain that and so
they're like I think you've been brainwashed by China. That's
the only thing that can explain why you're mad at me. No, no, sorry, sorry.
You have it mixed up.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
The brainwashing you guys were doing for the last 50 years,
that's wearing off now.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, that doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's the issue. It's not a new form of brainwash.
It's that you have failed to fully inoculate the public
against these kinds of ideas.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You did so well many years ago. For so long.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We're back.
We're back. Not even a starter, really. Just a guy. Yeah.
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And what's the other guy's name who is part of this,
who played in the NBA for a total of six minutes?
Royce White, I think. Yeah. I forget exactly what it is.
But anyways. Yeah, Royce White. Royce White. Yeah. I thought
you said Bryce. Royce White. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrible little
NBA players who some have speculated Enos Kanter is like
(47:09):
a CIA op. But he is now making this big
stink about he's like, I'm going to declare for the
WNBA draft because if trans is OK, then I'm going
to be. And I am trans.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Therefore, the most bad faith interpretation of everything for the
dumbest point that could be made.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And then a player, again, this movement can't get any
of the really talented players, but like somebody who plays
on the, comes off the bench for one of the
better teams in the WNBA, the Fever, like jumped on
board with this talking point. And now it's become... a
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major thing. And, you know, like with Westboro Baptist Church,
you know, the people who would go and protest troop
funerals and like do horrible anti-LGBTQ plus, you know, protests
and activism. You were like, well, there must be something
here because look at these protests, right? Like there's people
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who are like going to these games who are clearly
up in arms and like cheering for only Sophie Cunningham
and like really worried that trans players are going to
enter the WNBA even though there's not currently a trans
player or like anybody. And there's just not an issue
with trans athletes. It's just not an issue. Yeah, it's
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just a made up issue. Any version of like even
like that box is like, I got hit so hard
by that.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
It's like you got hit by a cisgendered woman, lady.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
You just never had your shit rocked like that before.
You kicked off a trans panic. It's just again, it's
this thing that isn't it's only a thing that the
right needs to make like to smash that culture war button.
And you can always suspect when that happens, it's a distraction.
It's some kind of organized op. And yeah, that's what's
(49:03):
going on here, because Enes Kanter, he was recently ejected
from a game since he only showed up to harass
the players and cause a scene. And the stunt was
well documented by people who were like sitting behind him
that are part of a MAGA group called America First
Policy Institute.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
This is a group.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
That was started by Linda McMahon, the secretary of education,
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins and. and Fox host Larry Kudlow. Okay,
so these are the people who are behind this group.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Like not even support, like MAGA supporters, people who are
in the administration. Yeah, exactly. Who are cabinet members.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
So Ashley Hayek, who is in, this is from Talking
Points Memo, who is the executive vice president of America
First Policy Institute, quote, tweeted out a picture from a
couple rows behind and it's free. He changed his name
to Freedom. So they said behind Freedom and tagged the Institute.
An anti-trans podcaster previously said, that the courtside seats of
a couple women who protested at the Fever Seattle game
(50:00):
last month were paid for by a, quote, generous donor.
And they're like, this is their, again, you have people
who are part of the administration finding a way to
get people to create confrontations, to create scenes, to kind
of keep up this narrative that's going on. They'd be like,
look at what's going on in the WNBA. Because again,
(50:20):
this is in the midst of the failure of this
Trump administration, like, I mean, how could we possibly have
time to complain about high prices, pollution, data centers, poisoned
food and summary executions in the street when the discourse
is saturated with NS Cantor?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And what is the WNBA going to do? So producer
Catherine points out you're dead naming him because he did
change his name to freedom. And do not dead name him.
yeah that's something that he really demands that we respect.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Someone who has such respect for people who's not just
there to fucking leverage his his failed basketball to career
to career to be like and i.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Too can be in wnba.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Because what is a woman and that's that's what they're
trying to say that's what the whole point of the
wnba is.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
What a dumb movement and like yeah so they're sending
these people to the games and as mentioned they like
Someone interviewed them and asked them their favorite WNBA players,
and they couldn't name more than two.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I had some friends go to a game in New York,
I think. They were going there to counter-protest, more or less.
So at least that's happening.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah. The counter-protesters are, you know, real fans. There's a
ton of real fans. I mean, the WNBA fan base
has always been much more progressive for the most part
than most sporting fan bases. I want to see that.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, because the All-Star Games in San Francisco next year,
I want to see these people pull up to that
All-Star Game and see what the fuck happens.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
It's just like such a.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Again, there's, they have nothing to actually talk about that
is substantive, that you can connect to people's wellbeing. So
the only thing they can do is try to, again,
find a group to other, to try and use as
some kind of outlet for people's outrage. But at the
end of the day, like these are tired ass tactics.
It's easy to get distracted by some shit like this.
(52:22):
If people weren't literally like going without power in Indiana
or something, you know what I mean? When you have
issues that deep, I'm sorry, the These same tactics to
distract and divide just don't, they're not as effective because
people are in existential mode now. Those are just flippant
(52:44):
extras that people can kind of sometimes give their attention to.
But where we are right now as a country with
affordability and the omni crises that people are, that they're experiencing, it's, yeah,
you're going to get, maybe you can distract the media,
but this again, isn't going to distract anyone in terms
of being like, oh, well, because Ennis Cantor can't get
into the WNBA, then I guess I should just ignore
(53:07):
what's happening in D.C.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
People are like, I can't afford groceries or rent. There
are more pressing issues.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, no, Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
What's more pressing is that the WNBA won't let Ennis Cantor,
a trans woman who just very casually decided to say
that just because he's being so disingenuous, he can't get in.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I mean, what?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I don't know about you, Caitlin, but I can't, I
can't go to sleep at night because of that. I mean,
also I can't go to sleep because I live next
to a data center. That's so fucking loud. And it's
choking me with the pollution, but it's, it's that part too.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I keep saying such silly things. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
And I just, again, it's like every time I just
feel so bad. Every time like trans people are brought up,
it's always in this stupid ass non-existent boogeyman like specter. And,
Just fuck, man. This is such a waste of fucking
time just to continue to terrorize people who are already
unjustly targets of this fucking government. Just fucking give it
(54:09):
a rest. But again, I think they're just so high
off of that winning the 2024 presidential election.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
In their minds that they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
This is a thing we can keep going back to
to try and just get people to not talk about
anything that's real.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
It's interesting because they have not changed their position on this.
They've continued to bully trans people and trans children. And
Donald Trump's popularity has gone through the fucking, has cratered.
So it seems like maybe bullying trans people was not
the thing that won them the 2024 election.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Also, it rings so fucking hollow that you think, oh, well,
we care about protecting children.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Right. Y'all care about protecting children.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Do you? Do you? Do you? That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Which children?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Weird. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Like, everything is so contradictory that, like, this is the
best they can do. And unfortunately, it's at the expense of, like,
trans people and athletes who are just, like, trying to
be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I'm trying to compete.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, that one McSweeney's piece that
I pointed out, like, that was one of my underrateds
last week or a couple weeks ago where I just
want to get her name right because it was such
a good piece about just sort of, like, Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Am the trans athlete.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
I am the boy who is, you know, like who
wants to change their gender expression so I can make
the JV basketball team throwing it all away.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's like, please. Caitlin, such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Thank you so much for having me. Where can people
find you, follow you, see you, hear you, all that
good stuff?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes, you can follow me on Instagram. You can listen
to the Bechtelcast and see us live. Starting again in
the Northeast. Tickets are at linktree.com slash Bechtelcast. And if
you're not in the Northeast, well, we'll be coming to
an area near you over the course of the next year.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Because it's our 10 year anniversary lasts all year, right?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
For sure. Oh, yeah. America 250. And the following year, probably.
We're hoping in the following year as we think about
what we're going to do for our tenure.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Probably get around to touring in the 11th year. We're
all having the same, wow. Wow. Podcasting for 10 years, huh?
What a world. It's really mind-boggling.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
But yeah, listen, come see us live. Keep checking our
Instagram at Bechtelcast for updates and Linktree slash Bechtelcast for
ticket links.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Swish. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
All right.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I forgot to do it. Oh, no, wait, I did.
I screen grabbed something that made me laugh. It's just
like a meme, and it's a picture of... Sorry, it's
a meme that says, Once I hit my mid-30s, I
finally understood the scene where Yoda gets so tired of
answering Luke's question... He just dies. And it's a picture
(57:15):
of dead Yoda. And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
God, he's so fucking annoying. Shut the fuck up. You
could have just faked his death, you know? Let him.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
And then Luke walks away and he's like.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Oh, Jesus. Is that fucker? Gone? Is that fucker? Gone?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Is that fucker? Good impression.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
Impression alert. Miles, where can people find you? Is there
a work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Grey. Subscribe to
the new podcast, Ain't It Footy, where we're talking about
everything European soccer, mostly the English Premier League. And 420
Day Fiancé, where I talk about 90 Day Fiancé with
Sofia Alexandra. Work of media I like. It's from like
last week. Yeah, right before actually I left. but it's
(58:08):
from Moschino Dorito. It's just like, I think because of,
you know, Hunter Biden, he's just doing all the rounds.
But this video is called POV White People. White people
smoke crack and make a whole media career out of it.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
I mean, I used to smoke crack. No, really. I
used to.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
I know. Who could tell? Who could tell? Like that
over there, that object over there. I could smoke crack
out of that if you gave me crack. I can
make it happen because I used to smoke crack. They're
always like, God, can you believe it? Yeah, that's what I...
Can you believe it? Yeah, no, crack. Me. Smoking krills.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (58:46):
Anyway, so why don't you sign up for my sub stack?
Speaker 1 (58:51):
There you go. You can find me on Twitter, Jack
underscore O'Brien, Blue Sky Jack Obi, the number one Instagram.
Jack underscore O underscore Brian. Liked a tweet by Lilypad
that said, overheard an old lady in the gas station
bathroom say, oh dear, then rip a massive one. And
that's what i'm here for oh that's what i'm here
(59:13):
on twitter indeed oh dear oh dear um another elderly
lady one um What the fuck is going on? Fart alert. Sorry,
I have to fart, guys, real quick. My fart timer
is going off. Oh, dear. My fart timer.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Wait, she said, oh, dear, and then farted?
Speaker 1 (59:37):
And then farted. That's what's so funny about it. She
felt it coming.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
She knew it was coming.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah. Oh, dear. The timing of it really got me.
I also liked one from Mo Money Modigliani, standing up
to give my seat on the subway to an elderly
lady and then sitting back down on top of her,
which was just a funny idea. Oh, yes, please sit here.
You can find... us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
(01:00:10):
Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. You
can go to this episode, go to the description, and
there at the bottom you will find the footnotes, which
is where we link off to the information that we
talked about in today's episode. We also link off to
a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles,
is there a song you think that people might enjoy? Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Look, Dolly Parton, Passing Away is struck. man we just
were talking about her a fantastic artist but there is
a version i think it's actually one of the first
songs i ever uh like we wrote out on back
when we were.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Just throwing full songs at the ends of episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Uh but that's the joel that's jolene but the 45
uh single being played at 33 rotations per minute Um,
because it just a little.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Bit slower spelled L E A N. Yeah. Chopped and
screwed Jolene. Uh, but it's just got a whole other
feel to it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
And I think it's just one of those things that
just a testament to, you know, like at any speed, uh,
Dolly Parton's works.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Resonate.
Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
So this is Dolly Parton and just search Jolene at
33 RPM. All right.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
We will link off to that in the footnotes. The
Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts
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do it for us this morning, but we're back this
afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will
talk to you all then. Bye. Bye.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
The Daily Zeitgeist is executive produced by Catherine Long.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Co-produced by Victor Wright. Co-written by J.M. McNabb.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Edited and engineered by Justin Conner.
Dude, Dolly Parton? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I just saw.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We just got done recording, and then Victor sent that
text through, and I was talking to Brad, Catherine, and
I was like, Brad Dolly Parton! No! The announcement, though,
with her nephew, like it felt like it was like
a head of state had passed because like this thumbnail
of her of her nephew, like in a suit with
a black backdrop. And he's just like, I'm here to
represent the family, blah, blah, blah, to inform you of
(00:32):
the passing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Telling you that this is this is more than a
head of state. You know, this is like for many people,
like I'd say the closest we have is like a
pope passing. But like she's got a whole she's a
religious figure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Dollywood? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Is it an amusement park or what even is that?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh, yeah, it sure is. But you can also go
and visit the one-bedroom cabin that she was born in. Whoa.
Which they've recreated there. Huh. Yeah, yeah. So it's like
somewhere between Disneyland and Vatican City, you know? Got it.
It's like a shrine. Combining the best parts of both. Yes, yes.
(01:16):
And there are good parts. I've always said the Vatican
City should have more rides.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Dude, have you had the popcorn and the churros at
the Vatican City? My favorite thing, because during Christmas, they
dye them red.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Vatican City's Dole Whip comes with a dull crown of thorns.
Dole Whip? It's a cat of nine tails. That whip
that they used on Jesus.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Dole Whip? Dolly? Is there something there?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Dolly Whip?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Do they serve Dolly Whip? I think that's too aggressive
an object. for her to associate, you know? So she's
like a butterfly.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
She is a butterfly. Hello, the internet, and welcome to
Season 453, Episode 3 of Der Daily Zeitgeist! It's a
production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where you take a
deep dive into American shared consciousness through the day's news.
(02:09):
We also have a new non-news history version of the
Daily Zeitgeist dropping each Monday morning called The Iconograph, where
we do a deep dive into the Zeitgeist through the
lens of a different icon. On Monday, we dropped a
big one, Madonna. And, I mean, we... Episode towards the end.
We'll probably rerun this in the next couple of days.
But we also have a Dolly Parton iconograph. Yeah. It
(02:33):
is worth checking out.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
We found out she passed right as we stopped recording.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Right as we stopped recording. That was not us ignoring
her passing on yesterday's trending. It was just... Please send
your thousand prayers to Lydia Popovich, our number one. We
reached out to her immediately. Immediately.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And she was just saying, she said, I regret nothing.
Everyone in the world but me is like, I should have.
I'm so happy I allowed myself to soak up the
sun while I could. Because, you know, she moved to
Tennessee because she loved going to Dollyland so much. And
she's like, I regret.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh, sorry, Dollywood. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Forgive
my ignorance, Lord. Forgive my ignorance, Lord. This is like...
Now the full coronation can begin. Not saying that this
is good in any way, but she is, as we
talked about on the Dolly Parton iconograph, she is almost
a religious figure, probably the closest we've gotten to a
(03:27):
religious figure in the icons that we've covered. I do
wonder how people will process this and whether a hundred
years from now people will be having... Her picture in places.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If people are not realizing why they're getting it tatted
on them. It's just that face that my grandma had tatted, too.
I think it's something the old people like.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Anyways, those episodes drop on Monday. They have Icon in
the title. But right here, it is Wednesday, August 26th, 2026.
Happy birthday to my sister, Shannon. Okay, Shan. Shout out
to Shan. All right. Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's also National Dog Day, National Cherry Popsicle Day, National
Toilet Paper Day. And hey, shout out the 19th Amendment
because it's Women's Equality Day. 1920 was the ratification of
the 19th Amendment.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amazing. Although many people are now trying to claw that
shit back. Bring that back. Bring that funky track back.
They were talking about the 19th Amendment. It's a funky track.
That's what a lot of people do to describe the
19th Amendment.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Did anyone see Monsters and... No, sorry. Minions and Monsters?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wow. Wow, you put the monsters first? Caitlin, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Something's happening. I feel sick.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Get Caitlin off of here. I told you something seemed off.
This is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay so minions and monsters uh-huh there's like a whole
part where like women the like the women's suffrage movement
is happening in the backdrop of the story and like
the minions help.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay help the women suffer why are you that'd be
crazy if they worked against it but.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No i think they're they're for it it's i already
forget a lot of the things about the movie but
I just remember, like, that's part of the backdrop. Because
it's set in, like, old Hollywood, like, silent film era. So,
around that time, when we're trying to get the vote.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And then they promptly disappeared during World War II. Is
that correct? Because they're, like, they're... Lore is that they
always work on behalf of the worst, biggest, bad guy.
The most despicable person. But, however, they did take a
break during World War II.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, they went into an Arctic cave. Yeah, if you
recall from the opening montage of Minions..
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Minions 1, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
They explain. I think they also... It might be after...
I forget after what historical event that they decide to
just like... fuck off into some arctic cave uh but
i think they might be absent for world war one as.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well that's probably good yeah yeah they probably could have
gotten away with it honestly if i'm being honest then
they need a little run with pole pot i remember
that was fun they don't talk about that much but.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
They also keep retconning the like the lore and the
world building for minions so who who knows.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
If they keep doing that, then nothing is sacred.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And just come out, you cowards, and say, yeah, they
fucked up a little bit when.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They lived in the Weimar Republic, okay? They didn't know.
It was a weird time, man, but all those minions
are gone, okay? It's new bats. You don't want to
know about the Spanish Inquisition. You don't want to know
about the Spanish Inquisition, all right? I'm just saying. Oh,
you want to know about Dr. Torquemada? My name's Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
(07:04):
Minneapolis Spider-Man. Chase a truck, beat the fuck out of
five-foot-two Nazi cuck. Watch out! Twin City Spider-Man. That one,
courtesy of BirdTurgler on the Discord. Oh. Yeah. I didn't
realize that dude was 5'2, that he beat the shit
out of. Beat the glasses off of? That little guy?
Did you see that photograph? Oh, no. No, really? Spider-Man
(07:27):
punching that... Nazi guy in the face and his glasses
are like flying off like it is an actual cell
from a Marvel comic. Did the guy do the thing?
He's like, you wouldn't punch a Nazi with glasses, would you?
He threw them on real fast. Also, yeah, made a
(07:47):
visible wap. Sound. It was weird.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Did you ever think that because of, like, the Batman
movie when Jack Nicholson, when he's getting beat up and
he's like, you wouldn't punch a man with glasses, would you?
That that was sort of like some kind of sacred thing,
like a societal thing. It's like, you can't punch a
man in glasses.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I did think that. Did that work on you? Yeah,
it definitely worked on me. I was like, oh, is
that a real defense? I don't think he was the
first person to say that, though. No, I'm sure not.
I think he was the first person to put the
glasses on in the moment. Hmm. But I don't know
that he was the first person to say it. I
do know that holds a sacred place in your heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(08:23):
Because you bring it up a lot. And I'm thrilled
to be joined by you. I still keep getting beat
up even when I put them on. I got to
stop getting drunk. I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host, Mr.
Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Fent lean on
me when you're not strong.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Jesus is there.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He'll help you tie one off. Fent lean on me.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
All right, shut up, Boof Life, for that one, where
we were wondering if when Jesus was the one taking
that heroin on your behalf, that's why the shit just
isn't hitting the same anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Right. Because of Jesus getting in the way, getting that
arm in the way. And when there was one set
of footsteps in the past, if... He was putting his
arm over your shoulder and taking that. This is all
referencing a work of art that I'm sure most people
haven't seen. But if you just Google Jesus heroin, and
(09:21):
I'm sure you'll find it. It's one of those like
Christian art paintings where Jesus is throwing his arm over
the shoulder of somebody. Whoa. It looks like Joey Fatone from... Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
And he's putting his arm in place of the person's arm.
I didn't realize how... Like a vaudeville routine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I didn't realize how pained Jesus was in this.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He's like, oh, shit, bro. This is disgusting. Either pained
or like it's really good shit. I don't know. It's
tough to say. Yeah, God, the guy does look like
Joey Fatone.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Oh, man.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Anyways... That's actually way better than I remember. Does Jesus
get fucked up? Does the person not get fucked up?
You know, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, also, you see these nunchucks over here on
the doorknob?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Also, Jesus has a tattoo on his arm.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Well, it's the guy's arm, right? So it's like the
guy has it. No, it's somehow, it's Jesus's arm, but
the guy's arm, it's very. It's metaphorical. Yeah. Yeah. But
the tattoo does beg a strange question of like what, man,
this guy parties. Yeah, dude. We're looking at the, we're
looking around the painting. Well, he's got a gun. He's
(10:37):
got a revolver. He's got like a cowboy revolver. Two cards.
I guess he's playing blackjack with himself. He's got a
little mirror with lines of cocaine. He's a king and
a joker though.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Glass of whiskey, bottle of vodka.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I'm sure if we ask the guy who painted it,
he's like, man, if you look, every single thing is
a detail, man. The skull, the nunchucks on the doorknob.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Why are there nunchucks on the doorknob? I love that
there are nunchucks on the doorknob. This guy's gone down
a dark path. We will link off to that in
the footnotes. Let's remember to link off to that picture.
You know we're going to have to face swap that one.
I don't think it's a photo. No, it's a painting.
Very much a painting. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined
(11:17):
in our third seat by one of our very favorite guests,
the talented writer, stand-up comedian, co-host of the Bechdel cast,
one of the great film podcasts. They also happen to
have a master's degree in film and the most anagrammable
name in the English language. So if you've been given
their name in a jumble of out-of-order Scrabble tiles, you
may know them as Lauren D. Titanic. Nine Tit Dracula,
(11:39):
but to us, they will always be Caitlin Durante! Latin
dancer UTI!
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yay!
Speaker 1 (11:46):
The Durantula. I'm back. What's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Great to see you.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Any thoughts on that Jesus Heroine painting? As a storyteller,
how did that issue?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Had you seen that before? We did have a long
conversation yesterday contingent on the fact that people had seen that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I had not seen it before, but I feel absolutely
enlightened now.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah. That's what drugs were. Jesus is taking all of
your drugs.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
That's canon. That's a weird superpower that Jesus has.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
This artist was born in Paris, Kentucky. That feels like
the best punchline to a joke. I didn't even know
there was a Paris, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, there's a Paris in everything. Sakura Blue. Paris. Paris.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
France.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I'm not familiar with that one.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Certainly not.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I know Paris, Texas. And I definitely know Paris, Kentucky.
I bet they pronounce it in a funny way. What
if it's actually pronounced Perry? Perry. Oh, okay. I didn't know.
We're home of the Jesus heroin artist, if you didn't recall.
There's a town in Kentucky called Versailles. Oh, I like that.
That's obviously named after Versailles. Is it spelled like S-A-L-E-S
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or it's spelled like Versailles? It's spelled like Versailles and
it's pronounced like Versailles. I like if it's just Ellis Island.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's just V-E-R-S-A-L-E-S.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Versailles.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
There's a town next to my hometown called Dubois, Pennsylvania,
which should be like Dubois, but it's Dubois.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay. Yeah. Y'all going down to, Ian's going down to Dubois.
W-E-B Dubois.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
People would say that.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah. That's it. I was doing my Caitlin impression there.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you nailed it with the yins.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah. Yins.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yins going down. Super producer Justin points out there is
Marseille town in Illinois that is pronounced Mar-sales. Mar-sales is
funny for some reason. Hey, Mar-sales. That's the funniest one. Anyways, Caitlin,
we're thrilled to have you here. We're going to get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
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that we're talking about. Today, we're catching up with the
Flock CEO. We've heard what the people who are mad
at Flock have to say.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
What about the Flock CEO?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah. He's just he's a young guy. 38-year-old CEO trying
to make his way in this world. So we'll talk
to him. No, we won't. We'll check in with him.
We will check in with other tech industry luminaries who
have a theory on where all this anti-AI, anti-tech, anti-tech
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industry data center backlash is coming from. And it's not
from their bad actions. Okay, good, good, good. We'll talk
about the WNBA outrage. And specifically, we speculated, it seemed
interesting that people went and interviewed some of the people
who were at WNBA games protesting against the trans people
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who are not playing in the WNBA. But they've decided
to make up this problem and then go protest it.
And we have more details about where these people are
coming from. Because somebody interviewed them and was like, top
five WNBA players. And they knew two. And it was
the same two. Caelan Clark. Sophie Cunningham. Michelle Jordan? Is
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that one? No, not Michelle Jordan. I'm sorry. All right.
That's it for me. Karen Abdul-Jabbar. Is that one? No.
Jesus Christ. All right. Lisa Bird. You're almost there. Sue Bird.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is that what you meant to say?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That too. That too. Can you keep
going on this? I can keep riffing, man. I got
all day, man. All of that, plenty more. But first, Caitlin,
we do like to ask our guests, what's something from
your search history that's revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Well, I did a little search this morning for Bechtelcast
tickets just to see what would come up because we
just put tickets on sale for an upcoming 10-year anniversary
tour of the Bechtelcast.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Woo! Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
10 years on the fucking set.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Mm-hmm. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Ten years. And have you... What did it say on
the poster? Did you find them?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
We still haven't toppled patriarchy or something?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, we..
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's called the 10-year... Whoops, we didn't dismantle the patriarchy..
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Anniversary tour.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Great. I love that. The great
catchphrase of the great Bechdel cast is dismantling the patriarchy
one movie at a time. And there's a lot of movies,
you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's so many movies.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
We've covered... Close to 700 total.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And yet, the patriarchy remains.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think it topples at 900. That's the number that
I had in mind from the start. And I said
that from the start. I think Malcolm Gladwell said 10,000 movies.
10,000 movies. And he knows. And he knows. And he knows. Yeah.
Are you guys doing different movies on each tour stop?
Have you figured out.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Exactly how the tour is? We're not even doing a movie.
We're doing more of just like a reflection of the
past 10 years. There's going to be games, presentations, videos.
We're going to be in costume. So the first leg
of the tour, and I will plug this every chance
I get.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Plug it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
First leg of the tour is in the Northeast. So
we're heading up New York, Boston, Philly, State College, Pittsburgh,
and did I already say Baltimore? No.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
No, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And then Boston. Did I say that one?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
You said Boston.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
So all of those cities. And that's in October. And yeah,
we're just going to have a fun time, Jamie and me.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Having a blast.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Man, 10 years. Well deserved. Absolute joy. One of the
great live shows in addition to being one of the
great podcasts. Thank you so much. Sounds like a really good...
We were lucky enough to do a joint live show
many years ago. That was so fun. Dynasty typewriter. Yeah,
it was about The Matrix. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And I'll be honest, Caitlin, Jack and I still haven't...
We haven't rised to those heights since then.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, we're all just... Been afraid to go on the road.
Just trying to reach that height that we want. Except dang,
Jesus's arm keeps getting all the good hair in the way.
Getting all the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, maybe we'll have to reunite again on stage.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Maybe we should do that on stage. Actually, we do
that for if we do a live show. Someone gets
to be Jesus and does the heroin shot.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Reenacting Paris. Yeah. And the last thing is that me
carrying you on the sand.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Just like the saddest live show. They're like, what the
fuck is this Christian fundamentalist podcast?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's like the Landlord's live show from Big Lebowski. A
series of cycles of wordless actions. Caitlin, what is something
you think is underrated?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I think that whimsy matters. Especially as an adult is underrated.
People aren't whimsical enough. They don't appreciate whimsy enough.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
What's the most common dismissal of whimsy you see from people?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
People are just like, grow up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And I..
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What is that being said in response? Let's give some
examples of whimsy. Context.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, well, I'll give you an example from my life.
So I have a universal... Studios Hollywood season pass, of course.
And probably once or twice a month, I will go
there just to walk around the park, walk down the
stairs to the lower level, ride the mummy, walk back
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up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
The guy dressed as a mummy.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Just on his back. Oh, the mummy ride. Okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I'm not having sex with..
Speaker 3 (20:17):
In my mind, it's a piggyback ride where he's like
trying to talk and you just jump and you're like,
guess who?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And he's like, ah, what the fuck? Whee!
Speaker 2 (20:25):
No, the mummy is the best ride there. Although I
haven't ridden the new Fast and the Furious roller coaster.
It seems really fun.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
All the people in Toluca Lake are complaining about it, though.
They're like, I hear people having fun from my lake
that we don't share with the public, which makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But, yeah. It's so fun that, like, an entire neighborhood
in Los Angeles is, like, the squeals of delight are
too good.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's just, like, I mean, the people they interview are, like, these, like,
you know, boomers who are like, I have my coffee
out here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And every two minutes I'm hearing people go, what?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what I'm talking about. The dismissal of whimsy.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We're having a fun.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Whimsical time.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Where do you get in your mind that that's the
right take to have? I didn't pay for that. Too
much joy. I'll tell you another thing. You're doing an
Andy Rooney routine against... the sounds of children laughing. Right.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Wait, did you say you walk up the stairs? You're
going up on foot or are you taking an escalator?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There's more of my story.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
When you said that, I was like, hold on, that's
a very big staircase you're taking.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
So I do this once or twice a month to
get a workout in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Those steps are no joke for people who.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Haven't been to the Universal. There's 350 of them.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It's kind of the most dramatic stairs I've ever been on. Yeah.
When you go from the top of Universal Studios to
the lower level, you get to the top and you
feel like you're at the top of a roller coaster. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Truly.
And then most people ride the escalator down. That's right,
but not me.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah. I'm working out. I go to Universal to get exercise.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's like an Ironman. You're running an Ironman.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You go to the lower lot, ride the mummy, head
up the stairs again.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yes. And then usually just leave. And I do that.
So that's in lieu of just going on a walk
around my neighborhood. I'm like, why do that when I
could ride a roller coaster in the middle of it?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah. What if my neighborhood had like a section of
it that was based on The Simpsons.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Right? That would be fun and whimsical.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, that would be a thing I would probably walk
more around my neighborhood, I'd say.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Absolutely. So I tell people that I do this pretty frequently,
and they're like, some people are like, that's awesome. I
wish I had had, like, I should do that. That's
a great idea. And then other people are like, okay, weird.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
How's that weird you know why i get this because
i also back when you know universal was doing like
bye one day and we'll let you come here for
two years straight free we won't even ask anymore we
are dying i had one of those i had one
of those passes too and i remember i went around
christmas time i would go to whoville fucking high as
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shit eat a churro like with airpods in and i
would just pretend it was like a park Like I
was treating that shit like a public park.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I wouldn't even go do a ride. I'm like, I'm
gonna have a churro. I'm gonna do some people watching
and I will go home because I live in North Hollywood.
It's very easy to go. So lay down on a
picnic blanket in the middle of Toonville.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But the weird thing, when you do that for the
first time, it goes against kind of like our millennial
understanding of a theme park, which is like, that is
a day that you're making out of it. That's a
thing you put on a calendar. There's all this buildup
because it's not cheap to go and you like make
a day out of it. So like when you move
into like, bro, I'll go there for 15 minutes, walk
the stairs and leave. It kind of blows people's minds
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to be like, but that's a theme park. You can't
just treat it like a park.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yes, I will.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So I'm, yeah. Fuck, fuck that. Yeah. Go, go fucking
do the stairs. Get your 30,000 steps in.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Thank you so much. And there are many other examples
of whimsy that people dismiss.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
But what's an easy way to, To regain that sense
of whimsy. Not all of us are blessed with a
universal pass.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Exactly, right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Skipping while we're walking down the street?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm speaking from a place of privilege.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, come down from your ivory tower, your minion yellow tower. Yeah.
Your ivory tower atop the giant minion. Minion appears down
on the Koanga Pass.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I mean, I don't know, just like little things. Like
I had cake for breakfast because I had leftover cake
for my friend's birthday last night.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And was that the best idea I've ever had?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
But I'm not going to do it every day.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm just having a whimsical time. Maybe I'm using whimsy
as an excuse to, like, excuse really childish behavior. But.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But that's kind of what whimsy is, right?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Give in a little bit to your inner child
every once in a while. Cake for breakfast is a
great idea. Thank you. Have some fresh baked donuts. Exactly.
What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So, speaking of being an adult, I think summer, as
an adult especially, is incredibly overrated. I might have said
this one before. I don't remember. But I hate summer
so much.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, you're consistent with this. I like this.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
It is hot. It is humid in most places, including L.A.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's been a very humid summer, and that is not what...
this place is all about you still have to like
work as an adult throughout the summer because it was
great when you were a kid and you had school
off and summer was something to look forward to and
i understand loving it as a kid but as an
adult you just have to continue on with your normal
life except now you're incredibly sweaty and disgruntled.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
And like there are like in other countries like in
europe particularly people just take off for the sun like
the sun yeah places shut down because they're like no
what yeah no this is a bad like the reason
kids get off in the summer is because not not
because of like some student president student body president who
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like fought for the rights of kids is because it
was like wildly uncomfortable and terrible to be in like
sitting somewhere doing work in hot weather.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, isn't it also that to this day, the current
school day is modeled after a century or more ago
when kids had to, they were helping out on the
family farm. So that's why school starts earlier than the
typical workday. um it's why it ends earlier and then
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because like kids had to like get up early and
do the harvest and then go to school and then
summer is off because like that's harvest season so right
i think i don't.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Know and that i think we should bring back i
think these.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Kids back everyone easy oh yeah when i hear about
working on the family board.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
There's oh god the npr has a story it says
agrarian roots think again debunking the myth of summer vacations
origins really did I don't want to hear this NPR
not right now.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did I fall for the the propaganda.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh no agrarian propaganda damn it Caitlin oh shit we
worked so hard we worked so hard but yeah I
mean like I think the other thing too is as
obviously earth death is becoming more and more pronounced for
people too and like we're just in a run of
like Plus 95 degree weather for I don't even know
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how many days.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
At this point. Yeah. I'm like, can we take a
can we take a page out of Spain's book here? Yeah,
that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yo, too fucking hot right now. Fucking go to sleep, bro.
We'll do this shit at eight tonight and go to
bed later. But like right now, this shit is too
fucking hot.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
What if they're like in the same way that they
used to call school when there was like too much
snow on the ground? What if there was just a
universal rule that when there was a heat advisory? on
no school no heat advisory doesn't really mean anything unless
you have like kids that you're sending out into it
like it doesn't doesn't affect me as an adult but
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what if they were just like there's a heat advisory
on there i was like yeah like running out into
the streets opening fire hydrants no we need that water
for the forest fire this is how we celebrate no
use those regenerative cooling packs please Throwing regenerative cooling packs
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in the air, as we do. Yep, as we do.
All right. Great overrated, underrated, Caitlin. And search history. Everybody
should be going out and making that their search history
as well. Wait, what other cities are you hitting?
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You said Northeast, but let people know so they can
wet their..
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Their beaks i don't know what's that their whistles their
lips get excited their beaks would mean that you're giving
them a taste of the door hey let me wet
my beak on that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Huh with their appetite yes yeah catherine um yeah spelled
w-h-e-t wow is that real yeah it's not wet as
in like.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Wet water to sharpen Wait, what was your question, Miles?
What other thoughts? You said you're starting off northeast. Where
else do people expect you?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Um then in and this hasn't been announced officially but
here's a little peek behind the curtain it's a zeitgang
um we are aiming to go up the west coast
in january what um yeah And then we haven't planned
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the rest of it yet. How far are we talking?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Up west? Are we crossing borders?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I would love to go to Vancouver.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Fuck me, too.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
And then whatever's north of that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. North Pole for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, Santa Claus wants to see.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The Bechdel cast. Huge fan. I mean, that would be
a great location for a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back
and we'll talk about whiny-ass tech CEOs. We'll be right back.
And we're back. We're back. And we got a new
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name to add to the list of people who suck. Uh-huh. Yeah.
And it's kind of an easy one to remember because
his last name is Garrett Langley. Yeah. Get it? Langley? Yeah.
Trevor Abu Grabe. But yeah. Gary Guantanamo. Garrett Guantanamo.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He is the CEO, 38-year-old CEO of Flock Safety. I
believe he's a Georgia Tech graduate.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh, hell yeah. Before this was like, working on apps.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
They were like, what if you like upgrade your tickets
to like a VIP experience, like out of game.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
And then they're like, what? And then he's like, all right,
how about this? That's my impression of every, every young
executive in the world. It's like what they've been doing
for the past 10 years. How about we upgrade experience?
Like what if we did white glove experience for your apps? What? No. Oh,
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how about this one? Uh, A monthly car subscription called Clutch?
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Is that really him? Yeah, that was the thing he
did before. Monthly car. Imagine if everyone owned a garage
full of cars matching the perfect ride for the situation.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Wait, do you remember something like this? I remember something
like that. That was like a subscription service for cars,
but I don't think it was even this one. He
was like, it was like you could rent, but that's
what I was thinking of. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
This is, I guess being like, Hey, give us a
monthly fee that you pay into.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And then we're going to charge so much new car
shows up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Oh, so you can, you can be like, I'm going
to a fancy dinner. I want, whatever, like luxury car.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
But it sounds like this is a subscription service, so
you're just like, oh, wow, surprise me. Right, right. A
tasting menu of cars? That's just like... For October, you
have a pickup truck. I know that you've typically enjoyed...
luxury sedans, but you have a Ford F-150. We do
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things a little differently around here with car ownership. But anyway,
Garrett Langley, he's obviously been dealing with a bunch of naysayers,
people who respect shit like their privacy. He went on
Fox to talk to Kaylee McInerney. to defend his surveillance
tech and insisted.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Basically that in order for Americans to be safe, we
need to compromise on the stupid ass need for fucking privacy.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Are you serious? What are you guys in the 1920s?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
He's not going to mention the fact that we are
in the midst of crime rates falling. We're not in
a crime wave, which they always want you to believe,
so we are more willing to give up our rights.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, but you could point to one month of dip
in crime. Oh, it's a multi-century or multi-decade trend. Oh, okay,
got it, got it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But again, he started this idea because he saw all
the crime in Atlanta that wasn't being addressed, so he
decided to hook up a smartphone to a fucking light pole,
and that was kind of the first iteration of Flock.
And now we have this scourge of, you know, AI
cameras that everyone hates.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's his apple falling on his head story. Yeah. Founding myth.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I was hanging out with some racist boomers who gave
me this idea.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
They were really scared. And they gave me some seed money.
So there were black people walking by on our street.
And they were really, really frightened.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
God, I wish I could surveil people all the time.
So here he is talking up, you know, again. Guys,
we got to make a decision here. Is it safety
or privacy? Because you can't have both. I value my privacy.
My family values their privacy. My employees value their privacy.
But what we're talking about is safety as well. And
so I think when people talk about just one of these,
privacy or safety, they're prioritizing the wrong thing. What we
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have to prioritize as a country is compromise. How do
we have our safety and how do we balance privacy?
And so when I think about legislation that calls for
an outright ban, that's like banning vehicles.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
That would never have made sense. Instead, what we did
is we introduced laws against drunk driving.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We introduced laws around seatbelts, laws around airbags.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Okay, genius. That was an interesting one. It's like getting
rid of vehicles. Yeah, yeah, that's a really, really shitty pitch. Yeah, guys,
my stalker cameras are like vehicles.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Vehicles that will share your data with ICE. You know,
like those vehicles that like snitch on you for protesting
or like vehicles.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, that watch your children, follow your children around. Remotely
watch your kids play at a pool, you know, vehicles.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Interesting. I mean, again. Cars were a thing that definitely
have downsides, but I've always been very critical of cars
and specifically the moment where they kind of put their
thumb on the scale and made it so that a
lot of local public transport got fucked over in favor
of cars, but they also changed. They were like, they
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made it so you could like live 25 miles from
work and like be fine with that. This doesn't solve anyone's,
any problem that anyone has. You're making up a problem, asshole. Counterpoint.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You said vehicles enable people to work 25 miles from
their job, right? Flock cameras allow you to stalk your
ex-girlfriend from 25 miles.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Away from wherever they are. That's true. Obviously, I wasn't
thinking about that. I don't have a rebuttal.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Don't fumble the flock bag we're about to get, man.
Don't fumble the bag. Also, I hate when people like
conservatives or people who are promoting the surveillance state always
give you this dumb false choice.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's got to be. It's like, what do you want?
We saved you on privacy.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And then you say, but what we need is compromise.
Yet they're not willing to compromise on their end. They're saying,
this is what it is. Now you need to compromise.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Is there any compromise happening on your end being like, oh, yeah,
maybe this isn't. I mean, obviously, it's existential at that point.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What's he going to say? You know what, guys? You're right.
I'm an idiot. This is stupid. This is so unnecessary.
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Also, safety and privacy are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah. Caitlin, you just said they were.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh this guy went to georgia tech oh darn it.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Got me there yeah i mean it's interesting like the
brand of flock camera couldn't be like less popular and
more toxic to people like to the point where like
i think we were referencing it earlier this week of
just countless city hall meetings where you'll have like some
cop to be like Well, I got these cameras to
help us make us safer.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Now everybody's getting mad at me. Like, I don't even understand. Like,
don't call.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Don't come crying to me when someone takes something from
your house because you didn't want to. You put up
these intrusive cameras. And then in Sullivan County, Tennessee, this
Republican county commissioner named Joe Carr, who's a Republican, mind you.
He's like even being like, this is terrible, which to me,
I never whenever Republicans talk like this, I'm like, this
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is opportunistic. And like can't be because you're actually genuinely
outraged about people's privacy. But probably goes to show that
he's hearing enough ambiently that he's like, I'm not about
to be one of these people who's like, yeah, man,
I love a flock camera. So here here he is
talking to one of like a representative of flock who
because they've been sending out their goons to countless city
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council meetings to try and normalize the use of these cameras.
So this is this representative getting a bit of a
talking to from the county commissioner.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I don't think we need to renew this at all.
I don't think the people of Sullivan County want this.
I believe that Flock right now is one of the
most hated companies in America. They are one of the
most corrupt companies in America.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
And quite frankly, sir, I don't think we can make
America great again without hanging your CEO publicly for treason.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Your company is an enemy of the American government. Yikes.
Tied into a MAGA. Yeah. He got lynchings in there.
He got MAGA.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
He got every little bit of flavor out of that soundbite.
But yeah, this is what Garrett Langley is up against,
this sentiment. Because people are just realizing more and more,
they're like, yeah, what the fuck are these things?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
And I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Every time you hear about it, it's like someone being
falsely identified or some weirdo accessing..
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Uh, like camera feeds when they say cops using it
to stalk ex-girlfriends seems to be the main thing that
it's offered, uh, the police that wasn't available to them before.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
They're so bad at like PR, you know, like the.
They still benefit from this myth that the police are
making people safe. And every example you have is like,
I don't know, this guy's a fucking freak stalker. This
guy's so shitty at his job, he didn't notice blood
on the floor at a crime scene. The enforcing of
the law seems to only just be brutalizing people. So, Flock, yeah,
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they have a bit of a ways to go to
actually get people to feel different.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And I can't believe he didn't win that argument at
that city hall and ended with the guy threatening to
hang his CEO when he had the two talking points of,
Flock is cars, and if you argue against this, you're
going to get murdered, dude. Yeah. And I'm not going
to be able to help you. At that point, it's
too late, dude. Wow.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
You know, because everybody's wish in this country is that
as they take their last dying breaths on their back
on the asphalt is to look up at the glowing
light of a flock camera capturing your fucking death.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah. Cool. Maybe they could like remix that or something,
do something fun with it.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
We're working with an AI company to make kind of
cool highlight reels pretty soon with some pretty cool guy,
Tate McRae, doing some original music for it.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
As for that anger, I think it's pretty clear where
that's coming from. That guy being so mad at the
flock CEO. That is wild. That guy to be like.
It's like so much. Make America great again until we
hang your CEO. If that was anybody besides a mega Republican,
I feel like that would have been a bigger story. Well, yeah.
(41:01):
They love threatening people with lynching. That is true. It
just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's our thing.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's what we do. The uniformity of the backlash to
the tech industry that has kind of arisen of late.
Data centers are pulling like measles. Flock CEOs are being
threatened with lynching. Tech millionaires and billionaires have been floating
this idea that I think they honestly believe because like
(41:29):
they're in this bubble with each other. They're like, amazing
vibes coding on your AI coding thing, bro. And like,
everybody's just, you know, talking to each other and talking
to other millionaires and billionaires. And then... They get out
and they see people don't like them. And they're like, what?
(41:50):
Where is this coming from? You guys are being crazy.
Where is this? I like the idea.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Where is this coming from all of a sudden, guys?
I'm like a good tech billionaire. Like, what the heck?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
What are you guys reading? I'm giving you the opportunity
to build a massive building that makes tons of noise
and pollution in your community. But this community, this building
will produce no jobs and consume your water and electricity. So, like,
I don't get why you're being weird unless you're being
(42:25):
brainwashed by China. Like, honestly, that's all I can come
up with. That is the theory they're sending around. China
is so frightened of the might of U.S. tech and U.S.
data centers that they're trying to make it unpopular by
(42:45):
seeding social media campaigns with anti-data center bias. Do they
even have evidence or they're just saying this? They're just
saying this.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
You'd think they'd have one video to at least be like, See,
we're not just completely delusional about what's happening.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Right. This one video that this person in China... Maybe
they'd even post a one video a person from China posted. Like,
you see? It's right there. Right. It also suggests that, like,
China is doubling down on data centers and, like, is
trying to keep up with USA... Like, China... is not like,
I think they have like 500 data centers in China
(43:23):
and the U S has like 5,000. Yes. And they're
just like, yeah, I don't, I don't think they're worried.
I think they would probably be fine with the U
S continuing on this, like runaway scam, you know, where
it's just like death spiral. Yeah. This isn't, this isn't
being done to serve anybody, uh, Besides people who already
(43:46):
have money, like the whole group, America's whole ethos now,
the whole paradigm for the United States is not like
what is going to be best for people or even
like what is going to make the most money for
the most people. It's what is going to make the
most money for the people who already have the most money,
which is not good. And like everybody's kind of figured
(44:07):
that out now. And so everyone like the people with
the most money are just like trying. trying to find
more and more ways to, like, repackage this and remix
the news cycle so that that's not a thing that
everybody's kind of on to and being like, no, fuck
you guys. Like, this is bad. Where'd you hear that? China? Yeah, yeah.
And I did get that. I'm reading that talking point
(44:30):
directly off of the People's Republic of China's dot com.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, China dot com.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
China dot com.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Such a tired counter-argument to just insist. It's one of
America's foes that's telling you to believe this, that capitalism
isn't good or billionaires and oligarchs running everything as you
toil and get less and less is a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
It's the communists, man. Where do you get these fucking ideas?
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, it's, I think, you know, It's that everyone's got
that same, just that, that, that same dumb idea that
they just keep feeding each other and building on that.
They think it's good. And then like, to your point,
you go and meet somebody who has to live near
a fucking data center or understands what that means for
their like bills. And then they're like, Oh, I don't
(45:20):
guess it is bad.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah but it's i mean i don't think they're close
to even thinking that though like during during the time
of like the monoculture we were all kind of in
a psyop where it was just like yeah you wouldn't
you wouldn't see that many interviews with people who were
living near data centers who you know like that wasn't
what was going to be covered if anything you'd see
those people who.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Are like we sold our farm for 20 million dollars
because of a data center thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
But like now it's harder to contain that and so
they're like I think you've been brainwashed by China. That's
the only thing that can explain why you're mad at me. No, no, sorry, sorry.
You have it mixed up.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
The brainwashing you guys were doing for the last 50 years,
that's wearing off now.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, that doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
That's the issue. It's not a new form of brainwash.
It's that you have failed to fully inoculate the public
against these kinds of ideas.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You did so well many years ago. For so long.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We're back.
We're back. Not even a starter, really. Just a guy. Yeah.
(46:48):
And what's the other guy's name who is part of this,
who played in the NBA for a total of six minutes?
Royce White, I think. Yeah. I forget exactly what it is.
But anyways. Yeah, Royce White. Royce White. Yeah. I thought
you said Bryce. Royce White. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrible little
NBA players who some have speculated Enos Kanter is like
(47:09):
a CIA op. But he is now making this big
stink about he's like, I'm going to declare for the
WNBA draft because if trans is OK, then I'm going
to be. And I am trans.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Therefore, the most bad faith interpretation of everything for the
dumbest point that could be made.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
And then a player, again, this movement can't get any
of the really talented players, but like somebody who plays
on the, comes off the bench for one of the
better teams in the WNBA, the Fever, like jumped on
board with this talking point. And now it's become... a
(47:54):
major thing. And, you know, like with Westboro Baptist Church,
you know, the people who would go and protest troop
funerals and like do horrible anti-LGBTQ plus, you know, protests
and activism. You were like, well, there must be something
here because look at these protests, right? Like there's people
(48:16):
who are like going to these games who are clearly
up in arms and like cheering for only Sophie Cunningham
and like really worried that trans players are going to
enter the WNBA even though there's not currently a trans
player or like anybody. And there's just not an issue
with trans athletes. It's just not an issue. Yeah, it's
(48:36):
just a made up issue. Any version of like even
like that box is like, I got hit so hard
by that.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
It's like you got hit by a cisgendered woman, lady.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
You just never had your shit rocked like that before.
You kicked off a trans panic. It's just again, it's
this thing that isn't it's only a thing that the
right needs to make like to smash that culture war button.
And you can always suspect when that happens, it's a distraction.
It's some kind of organized op. And yeah, that's what's
(49:03):
going on here, because Enes Kanter, he was recently ejected
from a game since he only showed up to harass
the players and cause a scene. And the stunt was
well documented by people who were like sitting behind him
that are part of a MAGA group called America First
Policy Institute.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
This is a group.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
That was started by Linda McMahon, the secretary of education,
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins and. and Fox host Larry Kudlow. Okay,
so these are the people who are behind this group.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Like not even support, like MAGA supporters, people who are
in the administration. Yeah, exactly. Who are cabinet members.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
So Ashley Hayek, who is in, this is from Talking
Points Memo, who is the executive vice president of America
First Policy Institute, quote, tweeted out a picture from a
couple rows behind and it's free. He changed his name
to Freedom. So they said behind Freedom and tagged the Institute.
An anti-trans podcaster previously said, that the courtside seats of
a couple women who protested at the Fever Seattle game
(50:00):
last month were paid for by a, quote, generous donor.
And they're like, this is their, again, you have people
who are part of the administration finding a way to
get people to create confrontations, to create scenes, to kind
of keep up this narrative that's going on. They'd be like,
look at what's going on in the WNBA. Because again,
(50:20):
this is in the midst of the failure of this
Trump administration, like, I mean, how could we possibly have
time to complain about high prices, pollution, data centers, poisoned
food and summary executions in the street when the discourse
is saturated with NS Cantor?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And what is the WNBA going to do? So producer
Catherine points out you're dead naming him because he did
change his name to freedom. And do not dead name him.
yeah that's something that he really demands that we respect.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Someone who has such respect for people who's not just
there to fucking leverage his his failed basketball to career
to career to be like and i.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Too can be in wnba.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Because what is a woman and that's that's what they're
trying to say that's what the whole point of the
wnba is.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
What a dumb movement and like yeah so they're sending
these people to the games and as mentioned they like
Someone interviewed them and asked them their favorite WNBA players,
and they couldn't name more than two.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I had some friends go to a game in New York,
I think. They were going there to counter-protest, more or less.
So at least that's happening.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah. The counter-protesters are, you know, real fans. There's a
ton of real fans. I mean, the WNBA fan base
has always been much more progressive for the most part
than most sporting fan bases. I want to see that.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Yeah, because the All-Star Games in San Francisco next year,
I want to see these people pull up to that
All-Star Game and see what the fuck happens.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
It's just like such a.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Again, there's, they have nothing to actually talk about that
is substantive, that you can connect to people's wellbeing. So
the only thing they can do is try to, again,
find a group to other, to try and use as
some kind of outlet for people's outrage. But at the
end of the day, like these are tired ass tactics.
It's easy to get distracted by some shit like this.
(52:22):
If people weren't literally like going without power in Indiana
or something, you know what I mean? When you have
issues that deep, I'm sorry, the These same tactics to
distract and divide just don't, they're not as effective because
people are in existential mode now. Those are just flippant
(52:44):
extras that people can kind of sometimes give their attention to.
But where we are right now as a country with
affordability and the omni crises that people are, that they're experiencing, it's, yeah,
you're going to get, maybe you can distract the media,
but this again, isn't going to distract anyone in terms
of being like, oh, well, because Ennis Cantor can't get
into the WNBA, then I guess I should just ignore
(53:07):
what's happening in D.C.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
People are like, I can't afford groceries or rent. There
are more pressing issues.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, no, Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
What's more pressing is that the WNBA won't let Ennis Cantor,
a trans woman who just very casually decided to say
that just because he's being so disingenuous, he can't get in.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I mean, what?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I don't know about you, Caitlin, but I can't, I
can't go to sleep at night because of that. I mean,
also I can't go to sleep because I live next
to a data center. That's so fucking loud. And it's
choking me with the pollution, but it's, it's that part too.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I keep saying such silly things. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
And I just, again, it's like every time I just
feel so bad. Every time like trans people are brought up,
it's always in this stupid ass non-existent boogeyman like specter. And,
Just fuck, man. This is such a waste of fucking
time just to continue to terrorize people who are already
unjustly targets of this fucking government. Just fucking give it
(54:09):
a rest. But again, I think they're just so high
off of that winning the 2024 presidential election.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
In their minds that they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
This is a thing we can keep going back to
to try and just get people to not talk about
anything that's real.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
It's interesting because they have not changed their position on this.
They've continued to bully trans people and trans children. And
Donald Trump's popularity has gone through the fucking, has cratered.
So it seems like maybe bullying trans people was not
the thing that won them the 2024 election.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Also, it rings so fucking hollow that you think, oh, well,
we care about protecting children.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Right. Y'all care about protecting children.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Do you? Do you? Do you? That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Which children?
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Weird. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Like, everything is so contradictory that, like, this is the
best they can do. And unfortunately, it's at the expense of, like,
trans people and athletes who are just, like, trying to
be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I'm trying to compete.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, that one McSweeney's piece that
I pointed out, like, that was one of my underrateds
last week or a couple weeks ago where I just
want to get her name right because it was such
a good piece about just sort of, like, Yes, I.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Am the trans athlete.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
I am the boy who is, you know, like who
wants to change their gender expression so I can make
the JV basketball team throwing it all away.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
It's like, please. Caitlin, such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Thank you so much for having me. Where can people
find you, follow you, see you, hear you, all that
good stuff?
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yes, you can follow me on Instagram. You can listen
to the Bechtelcast and see us live. Starting again in
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you're not in the Northeast, well, we'll be coming to
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Speaker 1 (56:06):
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Speaker 2 (56:07):
Because it's our 10 year anniversary lasts all year, right?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
For sure. Oh, yeah. America 250. And the following year, probably.
We're hoping in the following year as we think about
what we're going to do for our tenure.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Probably get around to touring in the 11th year. We're
all having the same, wow. Wow. Podcasting for 10 years, huh?
What a world. It's really mind-boggling.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
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Speaker 1 (56:47):
Swish. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
All right.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I forgot to do it. Oh, no, wait, I did.
I screen grabbed something that made me laugh. It's just
like a meme, and it's a picture of... Sorry, it's
a meme that says, Once I hit my mid-30s, I
finally understood the scene where Yoda gets so tired of
answering Luke's question... He just dies. And it's a picture
(57:15):
of dead Yoda. And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
God, he's so fucking annoying. Shut the fuck up. You
could have just faked his death, you know? Let him.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
And then Luke walks away and he's like.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Oh, Jesus. Is that fucker? Gone? Is that fucker? Gone?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Is that fucker? Good impression.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
Impression alert. Miles, where can people find you? Is there
a work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (57:45):
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the new podcast, Ain't It Footy, where we're talking about
everything European soccer, mostly the English Premier League. And 420
Day Fiancé, where I talk about 90 Day Fiancé with
Sofia Alexandra. Work of media I like. It's from like
last week. Yeah, right before actually I left. but it's
(58:08):
from Moschino Dorito. It's just like, I think because of,
you know, Hunter Biden, he's just doing all the rounds.
But this video is called POV White People. White people
smoke crack and make a whole media career out of it.
Speaker 1 (58:22):
I mean, I used to smoke crack. No, really. I
used to.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
I know. Who could tell? Who could tell? Like that
over there, that object over there. I could smoke crack
out of that if you gave me crack. I can
make it happen because I used to smoke crack. They're
always like, God, can you believe it? Yeah, that's what I...
Can you believe it? Yeah, no, crack. Me. Smoking krills.
You know what I mean?
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Jack underscore O underscore Brian. Liked a tweet by Lilypad
that said, overheard an old lady in the gas station
bathroom say, oh dear, then rip a massive one. And
that's what i'm here for oh that's what i'm here
(59:13):
on twitter indeed oh dear oh dear um another elderly
lady one um What the fuck is going on? Fart alert. Sorry,
I have to fart, guys, real quick. My fart timer
is going off. Oh, dear. My fart timer.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Wait, she said, oh, dear, and then farted?
Speaker 1 (59:37):
And then farted. That's what's so funny about it. She
felt it coming.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
She knew it was coming.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah. Oh, dear. The timing of it really got me.
I also liked one from Mo Money Modigliani, standing up
to give my seat on the subway to an elderly
lady and then sitting back down on top of her,
which was just a funny idea. Oh, yes, please sit here.
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talked about in today's episode. We also link off to
a song that we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles,
is there a song you think that people might enjoy? Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Look, Dolly Parton, Passing Away is struck. man we just
were talking about her a fantastic artist but there is
a version i think it's actually one of the first
songs i ever uh like we wrote out on back
when we were.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Just throwing full songs at the ends of episodes.
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Uh but that's the joel that's jolene but the 45
uh single being played at 33 rotations per minute Um,
because it just a little.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Bit slower spelled L E A N. Yeah. Chopped and
screwed Jolene. Uh, but it's just got a whole other
feel to it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
And I think it's just one of those things that
just a testament to, you know, like at any speed, uh,
Dolly Parton's works.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Resonate.
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So this is Dolly Parton and just search Jolene at
33 RPM. All right.
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Co-produced by Victor Wright. Co-written by J.M. McNabb.
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