July 8, 2026 • 63 mins
In episode 2087, Jack and Miles are joined by tech journalist and host of Better Offline, Ed Zitron, to discuss… Reality Check: The State of AI, Mitch McConnell Death Watch Continues, Netflix Season 2 Fall Off: Pop Culture Mystery? And more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Have you thought about So we we do this show
on Mondays where we like cover different icons and the
thing that they a lot of times really helps them
take off his icons is having what we call two
factor authentication, which is like two items that can like
immediately identify you. So like Jason Voorhees has the hockey
(00:28):
mask and the machete. Donald Trump once he started wearing
the suit with the red hat, A got the hat
and the pipe. Got the hat and the pipe. No,
I need to think, you gotta you gotta get something
to get I gotta get, Like what about like a
soule patch that goes all the way down to your
nipple one, like a.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Bullet chain and the soul patch. Yeah, I'm dressing like
I'm in three one one yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Or you get a soule patch. Wow, three that was
jarring three. We call it three eleven on this. Or
if you had a soul patch that branched into two
things and get attached to your nipples.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Uh huh the nipples were like pierced in some way.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, of course, like were talking about jacket's
kind of loose hair tickling your nips.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four forty six,
Episode three of Third Daily's Guy, the production of iHeartRadio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into
America's shared consciousness through the day's news. We also have
a new non news history version of TDZ dropping each
Monday morning, where we do a deep dive into the
zecho through the lens of a different icon. Last week
(01:45):
we did Uncle Sam with Robert Evans, and then this
week we did a rerun because I was I was
out ye.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I kept hyping the the New York episode is come coming,
though it's come in.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's We did Charlock rerun on Monday with Andrew t
very fun episode. You get to learn about Andrew Taate
and which is what we call Andrew. It's very confusing.
Jake Myles I love coming on to show.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
His wonky British Canadian whatever accent. It's fans continents.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's so funny to have like a British accent, a
beloved accent that people are like you universally generally like
or like hate for justifiable reasons, and you managed to
find the one that just sounds.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The worst so far. So um yeah, yeah, yeah, it's unique.
It's que it is and sometimes that's charming. We like
it on Adele you know when Adele like has kind
of a when Madonna tries to pretend to be British.
Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway, find out why Sherlock Holmes was
doing so much cocaine and why he's responsible for a
(02:58):
lot of very bad police work on the past Monday's episode.
As of right now, though, I'll tell you one damn thing.
It's Wednesday, July eighth, Big Day.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I hope you like cold Ship because it's National Freezer
Pop Day, National ice Cream Sunday Day. Yesterday was another
Sunday Day, and today's National ice Cream Sunday also National
Blueberry Day, National Video Game Day.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah yeah, brother, what a delous what a delicious day. Delicious,
yummy yummy.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Um yeah baby what wow?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay whoa whoa whoa yeah baby, whoa whoaa. My culture
is not your costume. Okay, yeah baby.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Austin I'm sitting there, You're an Austin pouch has been
like how how dare you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
How? Day you just touched in your Thighsan? That was
of of all the different like movie quote factories that
were like, oh, he's he's the funny friend in the group.
He does Jim Carrey quotes, he does Austin Power. I
feel like Austin Powers had the shortest halfway. It was.
(04:10):
It was a pretty brief moment where people are like, yeah,
that guy, that guy's a real cut up. He does
Austin Power quote, but.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's like power quotes and there's two of them. Yeah, baby,
and gets in my belly. Yeah right right, if you
do Orange Sherbert, no one gets the reference.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, no, no, unfortunately not, even.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Though that's the funniest line in the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Christian Slater, I don't I don't know that whine at all.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's when Austin Powers. Okay, do I make you horny
baby in the chat? Yes that is correct, Victor.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Of course, yes, yes, of course that's that's no. We
got you now, you got that HR meeting later.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, but well, Austin Powers hypnotizes Christian Slater. Keep nearly
say Christian Bayol different guy, uh and he and he's
like Gate, Simur and Sherba and he goes Gates Simo
and shit. I find it hilarious. Good of from the
fact that my people are being mocked.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah yeah, baby to that one. Mm hm my name
is Jack O'Brien aka Kenna d Kenna d Kenna d
oh kenna d. His name was Michael Collins, not Kennedy.
That courtesy of Donneghie Kirby. This guy's all over the
(05:33):
dang discord I used as or their trending title this morning.
Shout out to Donnegie Kirby in reference to the fact
that I believe I kept calling Michael Collins Michael Kennedy
for some reason for the Apollo eleven mission for the
Apollo Love He's the one who was left back in
the capsule to document Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong docking
(05:59):
on the yeah one another on the job fucking about? Okay,
man in the world? Is it cool here? I guess
you'll never fuck This is the coolest ship ever. Bro.
You should you want to come out? I can't. You
know it's against you. I'll come out, crazy dude.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I have to watch you do the spaceman stuff when
I sit in here.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Right you just damn the designated ass sitter. Yeah, no
one driver for the because you know they got a
little drunk on the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I need to crack a few beers before you go
on the moon.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Fuck it he brought them. They're like, you brought those
with you? You could have compromised the whole mission. Dude.
Of course, I'm a crackup brew up here. I'm going
on the moon to be joined as always buy my
co host, mister Miles Grass. It's Miles Gray. Uh did
I have an A K A? Oh my god, the
(06:58):
suspense is killing me. No, well, the thing I was hoping.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, I do have one, which was wearing hoops in
a mesh marine slaying in this marine. Shout out David Lester,
because last week one of our guests was talking about
looking for a mesh tank top and wasn't finding a
lot of results.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm like, have you searched mesh marina? Mesh marine? Shout
out to the Jamaican garment and I still don't know.
We're waiting to hear back.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, still waiting to hear back. But anyway, thanks David
for that one, Miles.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
the tech journalist and writer behind the news later Where's
Your ed At? Where's Your ed dot At? And the
host and creator of the only consistently honest and correct
tech podcast that I'm aware of Better Offline. This morning,
(07:52):
he was quoted the very first line on I always
go to the Drudge Report at least once a day
to see what the front page of the conservative Internet
is saying, and today it was saying that today's guest
don't doesn't think AI is very good. It's a zitra.
(08:12):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Man?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
What's it like? I saw it like it's a zitron,
Worms of Ai, warms of AI, bust, it doesn't work,
exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I love it so much because I like, I'm very
proud of my work.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's very it's taken onto huge form, it's very popular.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But like, I am just a blogger, Like I really,
it's not like I learned all that after the CNBC
interview it did a few weeks ago. They turned to
me off, just like, so, how did you get into
this racket? I was like, I just blogged a lot.
And it's just really funny watching people's reaction to that
because they because they're like, oh, you're an accountant, we're
in front. No, yeah, just just have autism. It's just
(08:59):
like I have media and finance autism.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I could. I'm thankful.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm thankful that they well, they had diagnosed me with that,
they just said autism. I mean you probably could have
got that from the second ten thousand word article.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But nevertheless, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Just been very fun because most of this is just reading,
like reading earnings documents and using Google Chrome and.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right right now, like reading doesn't add up, and being
willing to not let them be like, well, that's a
childish assumption. Obviously, the market is the smartest thing.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
The free market has always worked the solution to all
life's problems. Yeah, I remember, like I think like the
lower third was sort of like a bearish take or something.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's really how you framed it. Yeah, guys, now I'm
going a little bearish.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, fellas, I only put on a little weight and
I shaved and everything. Yeah no, But it's really funny
because I'm just the rig Like people have me on
and they're like, I say things like, yeah, you know,
when you add up the numbers and there's a minus
versus a plus that means and they're like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
What I don't even shut the fuck up, Janie, what
did you just say? Up again?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's so crazy because I've been saying the same thing
for like three years.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That's what's so funny about the headline to me is
it's like you just found out, uh the tron warms
of AI bust colon it doesn't work. Put a siren
to that one.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I would have really loved a siren. That's all
that was missing here. I love the design of this
page as well.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Changed since the Star report.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't even know how you design a web page
like this.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There's just an ad in the center then just like
Microsoft word I believe. Yeah, but even then.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You have to break my Microsoft word to do this. Yeah,
it's running front page. I kind of love it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, and also has like the hit counter too,
like all the things that make it old Internet, and
like they ain't broke.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Man got a fucking hit counter still he does. This
page gets more hits, Like more people on this page
than the entirety of the New York Times some months, right,
So it's pretty it is pretty wild. Anyways, Ed, we're
thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to
know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
(11:31):
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
that we're talking about today. We are going to check
in with Mitch McConnell. The death Watch continues death Watch,
death Watch twenty twenty six. We're just worried about the guy,
and we hope he's okay, and we hope for a
full recovery and then he comes back and is a
spry as the day is young. So that's mainly what
(11:53):
we're going to be talking about. We're going to be
talking about a new potential legislation where if you buy
a windows seat ticket, they have to give you a
window seat, a seat next to a window. That's just
like your opinion. Man, a lot of you know, initification
stories today, rotten economy stories today. That's what our guest
(12:14):
talks about. We're gonna talk about Netflix season Two's that
you know, see a lot of people are noticing Netflix
stock a little soft ed, bearish or bullish on this one.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Ed, I mean I'm bearish on streaming media. I actually
don't think it's a good idea. I think that streaming
media was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So you can't have two bears in a row. You
can't have two bearish takes in a row. The idea
is great for the consumer. We're gonna stop you right there.
That's great, great let's do that as a pull quote.
It's great for the consumer, and we're gonna move right on.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Ron loves streaming media like mid Face, the thing with
Ted Saranda YouTube. Ted's a great guy, right, yeah, exactly,
all right, we love Ted. Yeah. Anyways, there's a big
conversation about why Netflix season two's have not been performing
(13:16):
very well. Then there are a lot of theories as
to why this is. You look at you look at HBO,
they their shows will often grow from season one to
season two. You look at Netflix, no such luck. Most
of the time. What you get instead is people not
tuning in for season two, And there's a lot of
theories about why this might be. I have my own
that I am going to strenuously advocate for. Then we're
(13:39):
going to talk about The Odyssey, which is out and
being screened for critics and influencers. So all of that
plenty more. But first ed, we do like to ask
our guests, what is something from your search history that
is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So I don't know if anyone else has ever had
this happen, but you can get rate limited on Google.
If you use it too much, they start giving you
like captures you have to clear.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's like click on the bikes.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And that's because I use Google like a database search
for my own US there, because I've got about one
and a half million words on there now, and so
you just do like site colon where's youred dot at
and then a word and it works really well. But
I use it so much it breaks Google sometimes, Yeah,
like and it just they slow it down to a crawl.
Then they're like, Okay, motherfucker, you want to keep using this, fine,
(14:31):
We're just going to capture you every single search. So yeah,
I have this unhealthy relationship with Google.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They're like, you sounds like you need an enterprise account.
They're like, what the fuck. No, they don't even offer
like anything special.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like it's just purely because you are using their free
service too much. They're like, all right, this guy's.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Really yeah, we gotta get we gotta.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Get this guy off of Google. Honestly, I would probably
pay for it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Is it easier then to actually just search on like
your CMS or something for like a word?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, the thing is you can't really search a CMS
like that. You can't because I mean there's five hundred
odd articles now, and especially when it comes to a
very specific phrase that I use, which I have a
pretty good memory for everything I've said, but not exactly
where I've set it. And so, yeah, I just have
(15:22):
this unhealthy relationship with Google.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's great. I mean, someone at Google just heard you
say that and is like, we got to figure out
a way to charge him for them. We're gonna get
this bad boy on to my guy. If only that
would work.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's like the one thing that would be useful for
LLLMS and you can't really do that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It is it the best thing that the Internet has
created for us? Your thoughts said, go.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I would say so. I think the Library of Alexandria.
I think in its purest form it was something genly magical.
I think it's kind of a maligned version now, especially
with aiover.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yes, they've been trying to break it for over a decade.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They've been trying to break it since twenty nineteen. That
did a whole story about the man who coool Google Search.
That was fun, hateful, hateful man, grab a guy, ragaman.
But nevertheless, there is I think that and honestly read it,
read it great. I've kind of turned around because you
have TDZ is a pretty good like active red air
(16:27):
and I have my I have what I like to
call Zitron truth Social because I met a slash better offline.
When it started was three guys who just shit on
the show.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Like that's a scopid. I hate this. And as I
got better at that me I got so excited.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
No, no, I was just like I got in there
and argued with them.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
As the show got better, I'm like, you need to
listen to me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I went on aar slash behind the bastards and did
the same thing when people have dunked on the shovel.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You don't you don't know what you're talking about? What
do you mean? And this, And I then, like maybe
a week into its life, the guy who made the
suppredd it was like, do you want this? I don't
want to read this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He was like very but he was like this is
like I'm like, no, absolutely, And now we get like
one hundred and eighty thousand people a week.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's absolutely it rules. But Reddit is magical, Like Reddit
actually is the closest I've found to the best of forums.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Sure, but you have to like aggressively.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You got to moderate it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, you gotta know you got it, and I'd like
moderating because I'm a freak, but god no, it's a
good place and just it's situ on truth social.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's citru it's very social myself.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's interesting to see how, like you know, because a
lot of times too, I'll be like, you know, there's
like subreddits for like buy it for life, where it's
like really well made things where it's like I only
want to buy one fucking fang like a box fan
or like a knife or something. And it's interesting to
see how brands have to like are completely changing like
tactics to sort of like karma farm on Reddit. So
(18:01):
then they can post in these subreddits to like get
like their brand to sort of seem like an organic
post because they're starting to realize a lot of people,
especially when you look at like how Google will autocomplete,
like you'll ask.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
A question to be like reddit you want to throw
it reddit. On the end of that, I do a
lot of site colonreddit dot com searches.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well. One of my draconian rules of my subreddit is
no comma farming. If I see someone posting the same
thing in my subreddit and anywhere else banned delete it
Phantom Zone.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh, I have the.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Don't be an asshole rule, which is just and it's
literally just like, however I feel about a person sounds.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Me, it is don't be an aweshole to me. It
really is that simple.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And people like you can't bam me, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'm like, buddy, I'm doing it right now. Welcome to
my fucking beefdom. Just did it? Just did friend? What's
something you think is underrated? Oh? The Toadies there is again?
Did Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Then in case that case, I'm changing to Eve six.
Hell yeah, you think I don't have another nineties band ready? Actually, honestly,
I'm just gonna I'm just going to do this so
that I never do this underrated thing again. Nineties rock
music is great and there's a reason why I consider
it so great, which is I discovered it in two
(19:27):
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Ah, when I moved.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To Penn State. I did my first year in Penn State,
and my roommate was like, oh, you got to put
play this helmet.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm like, whoa. The Doddies were local.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Age, right right, And so I am still finding new
bands like Oleander, I discovered the other day.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
These bands are not you right right right?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like, oh, like load of Dyllinger Escape Plan album and
I'll be like this is so good, and I'll go
and look at it's like nineteen ninety nine Eve.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Six disbanded in two thousand, them four just making room
for you on their and their fandom.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They came back and they made several new songs.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, and they're back and they're fucking great.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, this is this is an attempt to bar me
from future underrated nineties rock bands because it is a crutch.
I also do genuinely love them.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it's funny because the wait, so you said, prior
to you becoming a Nitney Lion, you were what were
you listening?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What were you consuming in the UK?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Because I feel like in the past of your time,
like Mike Skinner and stuff and like the streets stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Really that kind of thing. Oh wait, what else are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Basement Jacks Jacks, Yes, but Chaster.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Jacks and Weezer and death Metal, in Flames, Arch Enemy,
Children of Boat, Them, Shadows Full all sorts of. It's
really great because I seem I don't want to say normal,
but I don't seem like an automatic metal fan, but
Trivium not a great one. But nevertheless, so I came
to America and I learned all of this. Like, I
(20:58):
was also horribly depressed when I came to America, and
my time at Penn State really like helped me open up.
I also like discovered the band Kansas at the time,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, location based rock band, that is funny.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, because like I had a thing like that when
I first got into yacht rock. I was listening to
like the Darkest Ship, and then part of me was like, no,
this is kind of fun too, Okay, Yeah, I like this.
I like Michael McDonald's falsetto voice, like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The duality of man lovely.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Though sometimes you gotta flip, like like I'll listen to
Mastodon all day, but now I'm like, fuck it, I'm
gonna play the Blue album right right, right right.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So I finally went to Erawe and I've got to
be I got myself a little little called the Little Sushi. Yeah,
it was like eleven dollars and they didn't have diet coke.
And I'm like, look, if you're going to beat the
shit out of me price wise. At least give me
(22:03):
my slot. Give me the poisons. Yeah, give me my poison.
I drink eleven of these a day. You're not gonna
stop me.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Hell yeah, full long.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't think it's eleven. I think it's like seven,
which is.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Not much better. Get a loud. I'm like, that doesn't
that's not much better.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's easily to over two forty ounces. You would have
been drinking a day if I think of it in forties.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah. But I just looked around the store.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm like, this is just the British store Marks and
Spencer where it's like, hey, what if things were nice
and fresh? Right, right, and the things are nice and
fresh like it wasn't that it was bad, it's just
when you I feel like you have these kinds of
stores all over Europe as well. It's like, what if
we had a nice store, well, like a nice food shop,
(22:48):
obscenely nice. Yeah yeah, well I don't even know if
it's obscenely nice.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I mean and like because like it's a crazy too,
like if you get something there. I had to get
chicken soup the other day and I went in for
the first time, and it's like there's a three dollars
to pot, Like everything's in glass and you owe three
bucks for every container You're take it like that's three
bucks on top and I'm like, what, bro, just give
me the fuck.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This soup is expensive.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
To return the gloss you can get it, yeah, to
get your like thing. And I'm like, dude, I have
a sick partner at home. I gotta just give me
the fucking jar.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, yeah, I stand by this. That that's so strange.
I mean, I get it, I guess, but three bucks.
But at least Emins has Percy pigs. You know, one
of my favorite, some of the best, weirdly enough peaking
duck I've ever had, was from the set, you know,
right like but like they just very good peaking duck.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You can heat up that. I know.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It was like the first time I had it, and
I've had it many times since. I'm like, it's still ranking.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
There's something there's something about it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, not having it is funny because like whole foods
are so many, especially in LA, there are so many
health centric markets like that where it's only like the
most healthy organic thing and like you just can't even
get like normal cheerios. I'm like, yes, I checked, like
that wasn't a diabolical food product. And they're like, no, no, no,
we have brand hoops And I'm like, no, fuck all this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't need extra fiber or whatever the ship is
you put in it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, it's plastics worse cheerios for people who don't trust branding,
who don't trust things that have been like I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Do really like other people, like I don't trust General Males,
but I trust Era one, right.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They can't even spell their own name backwards correctly due
supposed to be nowhere backwards. But it's they fucked up this.
I know they say that, but like, is that actually true?
I mean it doesn't mean anything else.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, I guess so I trust them because they do
collaborations with Balenciaga, for sure, I.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Would like them better. I think this is a really
good pitch to Ara One that they should have one
product that is carconage and bad for you that is
just like undeniable, and it's it's either diet cokes or cigarettes.
I think, you know what I mean, I think, but
like it has to be like one, like no other
coke products just die yeah, just the one where they're like, sorry,
(25:15):
this is this is good enough that we're gonna let it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Road, or they should do the thing like like when
they had CD video stores that had an adult section
in the back.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah you know, yeah, curtain that you go through and
you can get diet back there. I got.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, it's got to costume, mate, Yeah, yeah, you want
to do cut.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, pig give me, give me a quick little spin
round tight coins just completely off record. I want this
one on the books.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm not not explanting nu missmakes but I'm not thinking
this is from the realm.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The realm is actually not a bad brutish ax and
I try. He's pretty good. Your culture is my costume, man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, just to be clear, you can always make fun
of the everyone can do that. They don't deserve any mercy.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like Victor just asked if we make him horny baby
again in the chat, he's spamming it right now. Let's
take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
(26:35):
we're back. We're back. And just so that we're not
forcing our listeners to go to MSNBC or Drudge.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
To ms NOW, Jack ms now, fuck Vassalt.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, any any new updates. Miles. I know you said
you guys did a AI story.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yes, I mean I have a pretty big question just
because i've I've you know, we talk a lot about AI,
and I mostly keep up with a lot of the
stuff you're doing. But like one big thing I was
just really thinking about was the whole like this weird
moment that AI's at right now, there's like somewhat not
like a tactical retreat, but a rhetorical softening of things
(27:14):
like all that recently a lot of the AICO is
like it's probably not gonna it's not gonna take all
the jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Actually, it's not gonna do all that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And now like there's also talk about like all of
this extra computing power that exists out there. I'm curious,
like just broadly, that's not good for an industry that's
talking about you need to invest massively. It's like, what
is it doing. Are you expanding so much to the
point that you need all this capital or like now
you made too much shit and now you're like, fuck, bro,
(27:42):
we gotta we gotta offload this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
So what's funny is two years ago I was like, yeah,
at some point, businesses an't gonna get charged the real
cost of AI, and we're gonna find out we built
too many dit sentence, and at the time they thought
me mad. Uh they there was a genuine degree of like,
this guy's fucking great.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But now what happened was bay Man back.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
In March twenty twenty six open AI problem by the way,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Thank you sorry, noted.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And back in March or so they open a Iro
and Anthropic were like, okay, businesses, we're going to make
you pay the actual cost of your tokens. Because before
that anyone could on the two hundred bucks a month plan,
you could burn eight thousand dollars worth of tokens on
Anthropic and fourteen thousand dollars on chat GPT. So just
keep that in mind. Pay a deal without by paying
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two hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Two hundred for fourteen grand worth of product. It's just
forty bucks for a dollar baby. Lastly, but Ed, this
is what i'll tech companies do. It's like the last
leader Uber was charging slightly under what it was spending,
and then they built a massive business.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And so in March they moved them onto that and
then immediately all of these companies that have been doing
saying like us AI for everything you said. Suddenly they're
all talking in austerity measures. They are like, well, well
we've got to moderate, we've got to we've got to
spend less on it, we've got to be obviously, we
all love AI, right, they're looking around like Death of Starling, like, well, yeah,
(29:10):
we all love this, right, this is really good, but
we can't spend quite as much on it. And then
Uber revealed that they'd spent their entire annual token budget
in three months, and then their chief operating officers said
they have it was hard.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
To justify the cost because.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They couldn't connect it to useful things, right, So we're
just kind of fucking around on it.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, videos of dogs dancing.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's the thing though, That's what happened. Everyone's been using
these things just on these subsidized subscriptions. But now businesses
are being made to pay the real cost and they're
all freaking out. Suddenly they've gone from AI and everything
to AI in measures, right, and maybe we'll use cheaper models,
maybe we'll do this, maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But people keep saying, well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
They'll cut the costs, right, and they'll cut the amount
they spend. The problem is you can't actually measure the
returnal investment of AI because you pay for it regardless
of whether it messes up or not. So if you
make it do some coding thing and it goes in
a loop and burns twenty bucks of tokens, you own
them twenty dollars. Like, it's not like they go, oh,
it messed up. You don't have to pay another You
(30:20):
pay regardless. So businesses are suddenly freaking out about this,
and also Meta that a month ago on their shareholder
meeting they said, oh yeah, Mark Zuckerberg and all his
esteem said yeah, we think we have a use for
all this compute at this point, spending over one hundred
billion dollars on it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We think we do. But if we don't, we'll rent
our compute to people.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And it just came out about a week ago that
Meta is going to do that, which basically is Meta saying, yeah,
we don't need all of this, so we'll rent it
to someone else. Except the other problem is is basically
all the compute in the world, all of the demand
at least comes from anthropic and open AI, who both
only lose money. So it's just so it's just like
they've built all this compute capacity. There isn't really demand
(31:04):
for AI compute outside of those two companies, and those
two companies cannot afford to pay for the computer, right,
So it's just like this weird thing where everyone's kind
of looking around Shiftley and being like, yeah, this is
all bad, but what if it wasn't?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right? Right? So I think, yeah, there's like a distinction
where that I think you might have pointed out the
last time you're on. But I think we all assume
that the more they use AI, the cheaper it will get. Eventually,
like they'll figure something out and it'll get cheaper to
use it on a like per use basis, and like
the energy consumption just like makes that not possible, right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So it's not happened like like just without even being
too complex.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's not got cheaper. It's just they're like, it's gonna
get you. No it isn't. It hasn't it's gonna do this. No,
it won't.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And it's interesting, like is it they're in such a thing.
I mean, like as we've always been of the belief
that this is them always saying it can do more
than it can to just kind of drive up the
price and prop up all of these companies. But now
it's such an interesting moment where it's like, we need
all this money for data centers sake, and we got
extra and it's like, so it's not working out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No, it's not. It's actually really it's actually really good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And it's great as well because the AI boosters there
was this we don't have to go into the depths
of it, but this fable model from Anthropic, and people like, oh,
it's changing everything, it's doing all these things. But the
only people who are actually reacting to the new model
in that way are the most insane AI boosters. So
it's got to a point where it's almost like they're
(32:44):
running out. They've run out of ideas. Everyone's run out
of ideas. But they've also they're kind of half hearted
at this point. They're like, wow, this is changed everything.
I guess I don't even read my code, and they
just they're not enjoying it. I'm not enjoying it. No
one's enjoying it. Everyone's just kind of like moving money round.
And even then, Anthropic had this crazy revenue jump in
(33:04):
the first few months of the year from that thing
of charging customers the real rates, so they just had
this temporary boom cycle that's now become a bus cycle
where everyone goes, all right, why am I spending fifty
million dollars a month in this crab? There was apparently
Axios reported a company that spent five hundred million dollars
on Anthropic tokens in one month because they did not
(33:28):
send upset spending limits. And it's like if that was
counted in their revenue figures.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, right, right right, you can't.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Like if you're getting excited about it, it's like, yeah, our
biggest customer in that month was an.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Accident, right, left the tap on.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah exactly, Like, yeah, we just left the tap running
and it cost us half a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Insane, insane. The Anthropic would still.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Charge them, right, How much of the last question before
we move off are like how much of this do
you feel like is specific to the US economy and
like just the process of like corporate capture and everything
versus Like I think I remember seeing some statistic.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Where like in Europe AI, like public opinion on AI
is not as negative as it is in the United States.
Is it like specific to the technology or is it
specific to how the US is using it as just
like a never ending magical piggybank.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I think it's everywhere to an extent. I mean you've
got the gormous plats in England being.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Like, oh well we need a chavereign.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
AI strategy got in Canada to it, and I mean
in general, it's everyone being it's like the scourge of neoliberalism,
the idea that everything has to be centered around growth,
the free market can dominate Milton Friedman's bullshit sure, and
that every company must grow forever.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And thus after decades of that, they've chased out all
the people that finish the sentence, which is growth. We
need growth in our companies dot dot dot that's sustainable
so that the company doesn't run out of money eventually,
or so we don't all jump.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
On something that run out of resources.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Also so that we don't jump on a hype cycle
that just only exists to burn money, right, because that
really is the AI bubble. It's just it is a
tool that exists to burn stuff, to give people a
reason to buy data centers, to give people a reason
to spend money, to give a company a reason to spend,
to charge a lot of money, and it's just there
was a Wall Street Journal story that just came up
(35:37):
before it came on that was like yeah, And on
top of that, after these companies have talked about how
successful they were, apparently they're giving away millions of dollars
of tokens to businesses to get them to sign and
it's like, yeah, how.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Much of that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's just at some point it's like, Okay, so they've
built too much capacity. They're having to literally pay people
to take to use their software. They're subsidizing regular users
like forty dollars for every dollar, and also Nvidia is
paying its customers to buy its GPUs. Now, I don't
know if this was a real boy, if this was
(36:11):
not Pinocchio, a wretched, horrible stinkkeep up.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It, maybe maybe it wouldn't have all.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The signs of a speculative bubble, you know, like if
it didn't have every warning sign. But you still, I
will say since I was last on, the big thing
that's changed is pretty much every outlet now is going hmmm,
are we in an AI bubble?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Right right right?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And just repeating things that I've said in different words.
I don't think ripping me off, just like because a
lot of what I'm saying is fairly obvious when you look.
It's like, huh so all the money is basically being
fed between maybe eleven companies. Interesting, And it's just all
of this could have been avoided had anyone thought about
this a year and a half ago like we have,
(36:55):
if we'd have tried to slow this crap down in
twenty twenty four and be.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Like, ah, this isn't the thing. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
When we have a stock market that only cares about growth,
in the tech industry that only cares about growth, this is.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What you get.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You get a thing that only exists to create growth,
that doesn't really resemble a functional product but kind of
symbolizes growth in general. So yeah, it's it's really bad.
It's all really awful, very bad.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Not for me, I'm going to look great, but so good.
It's what was this?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Darren Ravel once said, It's like, I feel bad for
this nation, but it's tremendous content. Right, to be clear,
the people that are going to suffer here are regular people.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, and it's just it really sucks, it does, but again,
good for us content gold mine. No, it's all right,
But I really thought, I really thought I was going
to get some actionable insight into how I could invest
in a on this one. You foiled me once again.
(38:04):
Sounds bearish, man, sounds not gonna lie to you. Sound
a little bearish. All right, let's talk real quick about
Mitch McConnell because we have an exciting update. His office
has said that he appreciates the outpouring of support he's
receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital. Damn,
(38:24):
that sounds like super conscious, you know, like like he's awake.
He appreciates the outpouring of sympathy and that he continues
to improve and us working closely with his staff on
Kentucky and Senate matters while the Senate is out of
the session. They did stop short of adding, see here
he is wearing sunglasses and waving with Andrew McCarthy and
(38:47):
Jonathan Silverman.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
They're like, here, put his headphones on. He'll start dancing
weekend at Bernie's. Reference at Bernie's too, which was a
curse of I'm sorry, right, yeah, his body had been
cursed to like be what a strange curse. That's like
one of us as one of those like Venus flytrap
(39:11):
toys that dances when you make noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a lot of smoke around this because for weeks
they were like not explaining anything, right, and then now
there's all kinds of weird shit happening, like in the periphery.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, so his daughter has randomly deleted her social media accounts.
Laura lumer is claiming that he's officially brain dead, which
we don't always trust what Laura Lumoor has to say,
but that is the sort of thing that if he
was officially brain dead, Trump would definitely like tell her,
you know, right right right, she would find out he
(39:47):
died like a dog, a guy like a dog put
him down. Though some say he was already brain dead.
Now it's official.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I'm not saying it, but people are saying.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
There's so many jokes already. But like, just off the
back of that one, you have you heard about this
Mitch McConnell, Jay Leno says it was a bruised face.
So so the reason for the specific specific conspiracy that
his death is being withheld or you know, he's being
(40:22):
kept alive in the most perfunctory of manners, just technically alive,
is because if he is dead or has to resign
due to a serious health problem. It would set up
a special election, since the Kentucky legislature passed a law
in twenty twenty four stripping the state's Democratic governor, Andy Basheer,
(40:43):
of the power to fill a vacant US Senate seat,
So it should just go to the Democratic governor to
be like, all right, here, who's going Here's who's going
in there? Or it would have. It would have, it
would have. Now it's they got scared that there was.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
The only difference is like what you'd you'd either call
a special election that would happened weeks before the general, yeah,
and that would just be chaos, or you just wait
for the general. But I mean a lot of people
are pointing, like his wife skipped town. There was all
kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
His wife went to China.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, what's a Lina doing in China?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
What is she doing?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
She's a spy, which is what a lot of people
are now, They're like, what is she doing? Like what's
a lot of people are like, she's the one that
would be able to pull the plug and she's not
there to make deals in China. I'm like, well, I
mean it's not like Andy Basher would be able to
get to pick who the fucking the replacement would be.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
But yeah, there's a lot. I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
The thing that's also very strange is like a lot
of maga people now are like, we need to see him,
what's going on with him? We demand proof of life.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Off the years of saying every conspiracy
theory is true and every government is doing conspiracies twenty
four seven and tons out that people have conspiratal thoughts. Yeah, yep,
that sometimes don't benefit you. No, don't make any coaching sense.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I just really liked the idea of being like, show
me Mitch, show me McConnell, the bureau chief. The bureau
chief of Breitbart posted McConnell's staff should produce proof of
the senator's condition one way or another.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Right now, who's that guy in a black turtleneck in
black slacks down behind him right there? Moving? Whose arm
keeps Jim Henson's situation exactly? All right? Should we take
a quick break, Yeah, we'll come back. We'll reveal if
Mitch McConnell's still left, we'll be right back. And we're back.
(42:42):
We're back.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
No new news on the no news, although it does
make when I remember the Majority Leader Thune in the
Senate was like, yeah, I spoke to him and he
sounded great, and you're like he said that like back
in June, and you're kind of like, eh, did he did? He?
That's where it's like it's hard to know, like because
(43:04):
it's like obvious because that was the thing, even when
they were keeping it a secret, was sort of like
no one's really saying anything, and all the stuff that's
being said about him, like he can't wait to get
back to work. Oh, he's ready to fight for the
people at Kentucky. Be so crazy if that whole time
they didn't speak to him, he was actually on life
support the whole time. And I mean, it wouldn't be crazy,
it would be very predictable.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, I mean he is that. It is a very
Mitch McConnell way to go, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean that a way for him to go,
for him to permanently retreat him too his shell, right, Yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Sure, his head has just sunk down below his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The totals thigh a future Google search for me.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
All right, Uh, let's talk about Netflix, baby, Let's talk
about flicks baby. So people on social media over the weekend.
On Monday, were talking about this strange phenomenon that Netflix
shows seem to see a massive drop off between season
one and season two in a way that isn't true
(44:02):
of competitors such as you know, HBO, And the theories
that I'm seeing most often are an argument between people
saying it's that they wait too long. You know, other
places like HBO, they'll wait a year and then put
out the next season and they have it on like
(44:23):
some sort of standardized production schedule, whereas Netflix will just
let it ride. And there's also the theory that it's
the release schedule, with everything dropping on one day and
therefore no prolonged cultural conversation that kind of keeps people
interested in the show. They're also not incentivized to have
(44:47):
shows that keep people coming back for season two because
once they've got you with season one, it's not going
to drive new subscriptions. They're all about driving new subscriptions,
and so once it's it's better for them to just
like have people you know come for a new show
(45:11):
around this thing. And yeah, but yeah, so in terms
of I don't know, I've talked to like, I have
a friend who has written for like HBO shows, and
he is like he thinks it's like a couple of
it's like a mixture of everything. But I just wanted
to throw out a theory that I haven't seen getting
as much run, which is that the season twos of
(45:34):
Netflix shows haven't tried being good yet for the most part, Like, okay,
when you think about I'm a little bearish on the
season twos, like, I just I don't know why it
wouldn't be the simple explanation that, like all of their
biggest shows have started out better than they ended up,
(45:57):
and it's been like House of Cards was their big
guaranteur and they had you know what's his name, David
Fincher like on board to direct like early episodes of that,
and then it like fell apart towards the end, and
like the general take that you would get from people
is like, yeah, this show is not good anymore. Stranger
(46:19):
Things is, I think more controversial. I'm probably not the
best person to speak about Stranger Things, but because because
you loved I watched season one and thought it was
fine and then heard from people who watched season two
that it wasn't quite as good, And I was like well,
that would follow the pattern that I've kind of come
(46:40):
to expect from Netflix, which is like it's a retreat
to mediocrity, like even when they have a very good
first season.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But you think that'sal or just because they're greed just.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Cut another season. No, I think it's I'm just saying
that the reason their ratings would be going down for
season two is because the people are smart enough to
recognize a pattern and be like, well, I'm not going
to be like super excited. It's gonna fall off like that. Yeah,
it's gonna fall like. People aren't stupid, you know, they're
just like, yeah, I don't know about squid Game season two. Oh,
(47:18):
swig Game might be the best example, because they squid
Game season one was just like a movie script that
they couldn't get the makers couldn't get financing for, so
they turned it into a single standalone season, and then
Netflix was like, all right, well that's the most successful
season that we've ever had of anything. Now we're gonna
(47:39):
go big on season two. And it immediately like fell
off and nobody enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The problem is with Netflix is their shows vibrate with
loathing for the customer. They changed the actors. They take
forever to get out there. Netflix lighting fucking sucks. They
throw too much stuff on there, too fuss. So every
thing it gets back to the rock economy thing. It's
about growth number go up. They want to see engagement numbers.
(48:06):
And what they don't realize is as well is the
Netflix can choose what will get famous. They they it's
a self of They can choose. They can choose where
something is placed on the platform. They can choose if
something becomes big. They control the algorithm. It's not like
the algorithm is an angry beast.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That they.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
And it books out a season of something. No, it's
they choose. They are the ones that are choosing to
lower the quality of everything, so people just get flooded
with stuff and shit. There are a ton of shows
I've watched though just kind of I've forgotten existed, Like
I just don't really a way that that get like
on Amazon Prime upload fantastic show, love that show to bets.
(48:50):
Actually really think it's been great. I didn't realize there
was a new season for Over yet. It's a sorry upload.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's I don't even know the proof point though.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's a show about where if you die they can
upload you to a digital world, and depending on how
rich you were before you died, you'll have a better experience.
It's a great insane that it's on Amazon, but that
show hadn't new season out for two years and I
just missed it because they flood these channels with stuff,
and so they don't they're like, oh, I wonder why
(49:24):
this doesn't work, or like the actors change, or they
don't really care about the writing. It's just there's a
soullessness that Netflix and streaming media in general brings that
I think it damages creative content. I think it just
turns everything into content. But I didn't watch the second
season The Squid Game because I just.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Don't really care.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Now, Victor just made the point where it's like they
cancel shows really quickly too. Netflix put themselves in this problem.
The people that make my good paraphrase my girlfriend here
is she does she directs horror movies, and it's like
they don't These shows are not picked by people who
like TV or like movies. These aren't fans of visual entertainment.
They are various levels of Patagonia Gargoyle who were just
(50:11):
sitting around being like, well, the engagement numbers on this one.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I like that you see that number went up over.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
There and with a with a kind of Asian people
between twelve and twenty four. That could be someone that
we market to. Like, wow, number go up there too,
but way number go down here. Cancel the entire thing, right,
because it's just and it's just this arbitrary mess. And
so it's got and there are so many streaming services now,
(50:39):
who the fuck knows where every I had to I
wanted to watch a returnal Living then with mcgolfriend the
other day and it was on MGM.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Plus I didn't know that exists.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, isn't that Amazon? Like doesn't Amazon on MGM?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Like? What the fuck? You had to pay for it?
On top of Prime Amazon?
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I will say, also I blowout with John Travolta, which
was nomenal, great movie, brand, dearmer, fantastic stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
It's just like it was the joke that people made
at the beginning that we're going to get to a
point where there are so many streaming services it's basically
cable TV, except that's exactly what it's become, except it's worse,
except arguably worse because the monetization of streaming platforms is
piss poor. The money that most of them make is pathetic.
Like most of these shows will never make back what
(51:26):
they make because it's all sloshed between. It's all sloshed between.
Oh how many subscriptions did we get? What ads were
run on?
Speaker 1 (51:35):
It?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Are the ads paying that well? Streaming ads don't tend
to pay that well at all. And honestly, even like
Amazon Prime streaming is the ads on that are insane.
You get like five ads back to back, Yeah, but
not in a but they feel worse than regular ones.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'm not sure why. They're often the same series of
ads over and over and over again. Yes, and that
never happens in podcasting, so we're superior.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
If anything, they content only improves of a time.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I do feel like the entertainment that gets made in
the entertainment industry has gotten worse. But we're in this weird,
like warped reality where we don't really recognize it or
like it. I guess because for so long that just
was old people and maybe that is what this is,
but like it, it does just feel like I don't
know that they're like, what's going on with the why
(52:29):
are people tuning in for season one and then not
giving a shit about any of the subsequent seasons from
a network, from a creator that only gives a shit
about season one and then like basically fucks off for
season two or like takes too long, or like doesn't
doesn't prioritize it at all because they basically think about
(52:50):
it as like, well, we already got them hooked.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
What's well, they don't understand that, like the the attention
and the engagement that clicks, that's a byproduct of making
art that people want to.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
That's right, and so about that now it is because
number went up and.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Get this out here also woke nonsense, but you know
what I mean, Like it's that inversion of it of like,
well we can there's a way to make it formulaic
to your point ed of like how do we just
get the KPI's fucking popping? Then yeah, you just do
underhanded ship like I don't know, put a fucking famous
face on there, dupe them into watching five episodes and
(53:27):
then fuck off and then do the next thing and
then just be like just rinse and repeat. But then
you just go further and further down and down and down,
in quality, and which is why I think like the
last month and a half of like features that have
come out, like you're just seeing all these like independent
like you know, semi independent like more ideas that aren't
based on existing ip just do so well, and they're
(53:48):
still like, what the fuck's going?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I will say I my controversial view is actually remembe
this isn't that controversial with the people who will like
actually like the what was it obsession? And people are like, well,
they didn't have to give because it was a non
union production. I think they didn't have to share the
profits for people because that's how it were.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
We'd buy that logic. They should have to share the
workers should have to give back the money if the
movie doesn't do well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
If your movie cot is cheap as chips to build
and make and ship and people like it in same
ways to refer to a movie just moving on, then
and you make a shit ton of money more, you
should share that with the crew.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I don't give a crap who you are.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
What if you make a bunch of money off of
something by surprise and you paid people cheap because you're
an indie production. You're a fucking asshole if you don't
share that. And I understand and I get that there
are non union productions that are only like they wouldn't
come together if they were union people couldn't afford it,
like to be clear and very pro union, but it's
like indie film is tough, yeah, and it's rough on people,
(54:55):
and there are some real scumbags in it, but there
are also some people who are just doing what they
can with a very small In all of these scenarios,
the profit should be shad right, especially from a movie
that is just blowing up insanely.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Just especially like a project too that's like counting on
like hey man, just for like believing in it. Let's
just make something special. He knows what's going to happen film, right,
And then if the who knows what's gonna happen ends
up being millions and millions of dollars beyond what you
could have ever projected, yeah, then you go back and
be like, hey, I know the going rate for your
work as an art director would have been like seventy thousand,
(55:29):
and I gave you exactly here's at least here's here.
Let me get you to seventy thousand, get what that
would but yeah, the whole like well.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
It's it's there, it's if they get to do what
they want. It's like, okay, yeah, just shut up now,
I'm just I'm researching David Lynch for an upcoming countograph
and just like re you know, the thing I grew
up being like, well, this is the evil Empire is
network television, and like ABC was willing to make twin
peaks like that, you know, like they were like, I
(55:58):
don't know, nobody watched maybe because he didn't Laura Palmer,
they certainly did. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Like how he ended up answering it in the most
insane way, right, like just like it's like, okay, you
want an answer, you want.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
To know, here it is. Here you go. It's a
question one who gave birth to Laura? Why? David Lynch said, just.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
You got you got to listen to those old weather
reports to dialing.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
It's like watching Icarus fly there for a second.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Here David Lynch was from me into David Lynch in
the last year. It's it's genuinely a fellow autist. I
wish I could have somehow known magical fellow truly interesting.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
That's gonna be a banger. And speaking of a banger,
ed so lucky to have you. Thank you so much
for joining us. Where can people find you? Follow you,
read you all that good stuff? Where's your head? Dot ant?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Please subscribe? It's my principal form of income. Now, yeah,
we can do this, fellas nad. It's going well better
offline dot com subscribe to the podcast. It's goddamn marvelous, marvelous.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I have honestly been listening to Mastodon steam Breather on
repeat the last day. I don't know why, but it's
just a magnificent song. Also, Killer Be Killed is a
supergroup made of mastered on the Guy from Dillingher Escape Plan.
It's become one of my favorite albums of all time.
Please go and listen to it.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
The self titled album came out about a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
It's marvelous, marvelous.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
You got the double marvelous, that's right. And have you
been enjoying a huge Jackman clip by any chances there? Yes?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I have?
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
So there's this movie called Pan that came out I
think ten or fifteen years ago, and there is this
insane clipe I've not seen the movie where huge Huge
Jackman is. Jackman is Captain hook or Not. And he's
just walking around people, walking around this ship like it's
like a fancy man in like a suit Obama, and
(58:07):
he's just singing smells like teen Spirit to this crowd.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Of children and he jumps up on the earth goes
hur alarge child hurts.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Those dangerous and the kids are singing along.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
It's like, what is this And it's not a musical.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
It's just that just happens in the middle of it.
Is that just something written into Hugh Jackman's deals. He's like,
I gotta have a musical number.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Right, I need to make sure I can sing it
smells a lot teen Spirit. Wait, really, I guess no.
I think it was just the director and I, you
know what, it doesn't look like a great movie. But
I really have to give a director credit for just
being like, no, I'm doing this. I finally I'm gonna
do it. I've been thinking about this for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
I like to imagine he just learned about the song
as he was making the movies, Like I got to
put that in there.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
I just I have this feeling that I could be
a great showman. Read it the g Show. What a
weird choice for Captain Hook. There there are versions of
Peter Pan and Pinocchio and Robin Hood that have been
made with like massive celebrities that you have never heard of,
(59:17):
just all those open source things. They're just like, what
if we tried that again? We're gonna try that every
six months, Let's see how it goes. Yeah, but they
don't make bad movies that they used to. They don't.
They don't. What if in this one Captain Hook saying
nerv oh oh wait wait.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, we're gonna need to spend a lot on CGI.
But that's just the cost of doing business with CGI.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Miles where can people find you as their workimedia you've
been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
I'm talking about ninety talking about talking about the world
of football on Ain't It Footy with Jamel Johnson and
Chris Martin. Check that show out too. Thanks everybody who's
been listening, especially through the tournament to the World Cup.
A couple of works I like the US lost to
Belgium was just so funny. Because man on social media,
(01:00:08):
the jokes were fucking hitting so hard. And here's just
a few that I love. This one is from at Prison.
Mitch said the USA can still advance to the round
of eight if Mike Pence has the courage.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's it's so fucking stupid. At Luke is amazing, so good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I haven't seen America this thoroughly embarrassed on the World
States since we lost that war. We started do with
Iran like three weeks ago. Then another one is at
Economissive posted in football, there is a tactic called parking
the bus was where it's very negative, defensive style of
play where we put all of your men, like all
of your defenders in front of the box to just
(01:00:47):
prevent any kind of offensive anything taking off from like
your opposition.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So it's that's called parking the bus.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
At Economissive posted the US trying to park the bus
but they don't really have a functioning public transport system.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, just a lot of a lot of good ones
enjoyed them. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at
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Instagram Jack Underscore Underscore Brian. I like to tweet from
Richard Lawson, who as all the influencer takes on the
Odyssey we're coming out said odyssey is terrific, comfortably seats
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eight and features the thoughtful engineering touches we've come to
expect from Honda. Heh Yeah, Happy Honda Days. Happy Honda
Days to us all. And William freaking tweeted if you
ever catch yourself asking where an actor has been, they're
on season three of an Apple TV show. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
(01:01:41):
I'll believe it. They're on Upload season four. We all
know that one. Uh. You can find us on Twitter
and Blue Sky at daily Zeikeeist where the Daily Zekeeist.
On Instagram, you can go to the description of this
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where we link off to the information that we talked
(01:02:03):
about in today's episode, as well as a song that
we think you might enjoy, Miles, is there a song
that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
This is a just musician, musician, musician, singer artist from
West London, UH who is known as aluyah A l
e w y A. The track is called mock Tube
m a K t O U B. It's got like
some nice sort of African Arabic rhythms to it h
and just kind of like a nice just look, just
(01:02:32):
gonna make.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Your big toe shoot up in your boot. So check
this one out. This is muck Tube m A K
T O U B by al Away. Sorry not.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Justin Timberlake saying drop the hal cleaner. It's no, it
is ayah. Yeah, so maybe she listened to him.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
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Have you thought about So we we do this show
on Mondays where we like cover different icons and the
thing that they a lot of times really helps them
take off his icons is having what we call two
factor authentication, which is like two items that can like
immediately identify you. So like Jason Voorhees has the hockey
(00:28):
mask and the machete. Donald Trump once he started wearing
the suit with the red hat, A got the hat
and the pipe. Got the hat and the pipe. No,
I need to think, you gotta you gotta get something
to get I gotta get, Like what about like a
soule patch that goes all the way down to your
nipple one, like a.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Bullet chain and the soul patch. Yeah, I'm dressing like
I'm in three one one yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Or you get a soule patch. Wow, three that was
jarring three. We call it three eleven on this. Or
if you had a soul patch that branched into two
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Uh huh the nipples were like pierced in some way.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, of course, like were talking about jacket's
kind of loose hair tickling your nips.
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four forty six,
Episode three of Third Daily's Guy, the production of iHeartRadio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into
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Monday morning, where we do a deep dive into the
zecho through the lens of a different icon. Last week
(01:45):
we did Uncle Sam with Robert Evans, and then this
week we did a rerun because I was I was
out ye.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I kept hyping the the New York episode is come coming,
though it's come in.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's We did Charlock rerun on Monday with Andrew t
very fun episode. You get to learn about Andrew Taate
and which is what we call Andrew. It's very confusing.
Jake Myles I love coming on to show.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
His wonky British Canadian whatever accent. It's fans continents.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's so funny to have like a British accent, a
beloved accent that people are like you universally generally like
or like hate for justifiable reasons, and you managed to
find the one that just sounds.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The worst so far. So um yeah, yeah, yeah, it's unique.
It's que it is and sometimes that's charming. We like
it on Adele you know when Adele like has kind
of a when Madonna tries to pretend to be British.
Yeah yeah, yeah. Anyway, find out why Sherlock Holmes was
doing so much cocaine and why he's responsible for a
(02:58):
lot of very bad police work on the past Monday's episode.
As of right now, though, I'll tell you one damn thing.
It's Wednesday, July eighth, Big Day.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I hope you like cold Ship because it's National Freezer
Pop Day, National ice Cream Sunday Day. Yesterday was another
Sunday Day, and today's National ice Cream Sunday also National
Blueberry Day, National Video Game Day.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah yeah, brother, what a delous what a delicious day. Delicious,
yummy yummy.
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Um yeah baby what wow?
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Okay whoa whoa whoa yeah baby, whoa whoaa. My culture
is not your costume. Okay, yeah baby.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Austin I'm sitting there, You're an Austin pouch has been
like how how dare you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
How? Day you just touched in your Thighsan? That was
of of all the different like movie quote factories that
were like, oh, he's he's the funny friend in the group.
He does Jim Carrey quotes, he does Austin Power. I
feel like Austin Powers had the shortest halfway. It was.
(04:10):
It was a pretty brief moment where people are like, yeah,
that guy, that guy's a real cut up. He does
Austin Power quote, but.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's like power quotes and there's two of them. Yeah, baby,
and gets in my belly. Yeah right right, if you
do Orange Sherbert, no one gets the reference.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
No, no, no, unfortunately not, even.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Though that's the funniest line in the entire movie.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Christian Slater, I don't I don't know that whine at all.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's when Austin Powers. Okay, do I make you horny
baby in the chat? Yes that is correct, Victor.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Of course, yes, yes, of course that's that's no. We
got you now, you got that HR meeting later.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, but well, Austin Powers hypnotizes Christian Slater. Keep nearly
say Christian Bayol different guy, uh and he and he's
like Gate, Simur and Sherba and he goes Gates Simo
and shit. I find it hilarious. Good of from the
fact that my people are being mocked.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah yeah, baby to that one. Mm hm my name
is Jack O'Brien aka Kenna d Kenna d Kenna d
oh kenna d. His name was Michael Collins, not Kennedy.
That courtesy of Donneghie Kirby. This guy's all over the
(05:33):
dang discord I used as or their trending title this morning.
Shout out to Donnegie Kirby in reference to the fact
that I believe I kept calling Michael Collins Michael Kennedy
for some reason for the Apollo eleven mission for the
Apollo Love He's the one who was left back in
the capsule to document Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong docking
(05:59):
on the yeah one another on the job fucking about? Okay,
man in the world? Is it cool here? I guess
you'll never fuck This is the coolest ship ever. Bro.
You should you want to come out? I can't. You
know it's against you. I'll come out, crazy dude.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I have to watch you do the spaceman stuff when
I sit in here.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Right you just damn the designated ass sitter. Yeah, no
one driver for the because you know they got a
little drunk on the moon.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I need to crack a few beers before you go
on the moon.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Fuck it he brought them. They're like, you brought those
with you? You could have compromised the whole mission. Dude.
Of course, I'm a crackup brew up here. I'm going
on the moon to be joined as always buy my
co host, mister Miles Grass. It's Miles Gray. Uh did
I have an A K A? Oh my god, the
(06:58):
suspense is killing me. No, well, the thing I was hoping.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, I do have one, which was wearing hoops in
a mesh marine slaying in this marine. Shout out David Lester,
because last week one of our guests was talking about
looking for a mesh tank top and wasn't finding a
lot of results.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm like, have you searched mesh marina? Mesh marine? Shout
out to the Jamaican garment and I still don't know.
We're waiting to hear back.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Oh, still waiting to hear back. But anyway, thanks David
for that one, Miles.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
the tech journalist and writer behind the news later Where's
Your ed At? Where's Your ed dot At? And the
host and creator of the only consistently honest and correct
tech podcast that I'm aware of Better Offline. This morning,
(07:52):
he was quoted the very first line on I always
go to the Drudge Report at least once a day
to see what the front page of the conservative Internet
is saying, and today it was saying that today's guest
don't doesn't think AI is very good. It's a zitra.
(08:12):
What's up? What's up?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Man?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
What's it like? I saw it like it's a zitron,
Worms of Ai, warms of AI, bust, it doesn't work,
exclamation point.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I love it so much because I like, I'm very
proud of my work.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's very it's taken onto huge form, it's very popular.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But like, I am just a blogger, Like I really,
it's not like I learned all that after the CNBC
interview it did a few weeks ago. They turned to
me off, just like, so, how did you get into
this racket? I was like, I just blogged a lot.
And it's just really funny watching people's reaction to that
because they because they're like, oh, you're an accountant, we're
in front. No, yeah, just just have autism. It's just
(08:59):
like I have media and finance autism.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I could. I'm thankful.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm thankful that they well, they had diagnosed me with that,
they just said autism. I mean you probably could have
got that from the second ten thousand word article.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But nevertheless, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Just been very fun because most of this is just reading,
like reading earnings documents and using Google Chrome and.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Right right now, like reading doesn't add up, and being
willing to not let them be like, well, that's a
childish assumption. Obviously, the market is the smartest thing.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
The free market has always worked the solution to all
life's problems. Yeah, I remember, like I think like the
lower third was sort of like a bearish take or something.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's really how you framed it. Yeah, guys, now I'm
going a little bearish.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, fellas, I only put on a little weight and
I shaved and everything. Yeah no, But it's really funny
because I'm just the rig Like people have me on
and they're like, I say things like, yeah, you know,
when you add up the numbers and there's a minus
versus a plus that means and they're like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
What I don't even shut the fuck up, Janie, what
did you just say? Up again?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's so crazy because I've been saying the same thing
for like three years.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
That's what's so funny about the headline to me is
it's like you just found out, uh the tron warms
of AI bust colon it doesn't work. Put a siren
to that one.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I would have really loved a siren. That's all
that was missing here. I love the design of this
page as well.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Changed since the Star report.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I don't even know how you design a web page
like this.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
There's just an ad in the center then just like
Microsoft word I believe. Yeah, but even then.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You have to break my Microsoft word to do this. Yeah,
it's running front page. I kind of love it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, and also has like the hit counter too,
like all the things that make it old Internet, and
like they ain't broke.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Man got a fucking hit counter still he does. This
page gets more hits, Like more people on this page
than the entirety of the New York Times some months, right,
So it's pretty it is pretty wild. Anyways, Ed, we're
thrilled to have you here. We're going to get to
know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
(11:31):
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
that we're talking about today. We are going to check
in with Mitch McConnell. The death Watch continues death Watch,
death Watch twenty twenty six. We're just worried about the guy,
and we hope he's okay, and we hope for a
full recovery and then he comes back and is a
spry as the day is young. So that's mainly what
(11:53):
we're going to be talking about. We're going to be
talking about a new potential legislation where if you buy
a windows seat ticket, they have to give you a
window seat, a seat next to a window. That's just
like your opinion. Man, a lot of you know, initification
stories today, rotten economy stories today. That's what our guest
(12:14):
talks about. We're gonna talk about Netflix season Two's that
you know, see a lot of people are noticing Netflix
stock a little soft ed, bearish or bullish on this one.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Ed, I mean I'm bearish on streaming media. I actually
don't think it's a good idea. I think that streaming
media was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So you can't have two bears in a row. You
can't have two bearish takes in a row. The idea
is great for the consumer. We're gonna stop you right there.
That's great, great let's do that as a pull quote.
It's great for the consumer, and we're gonna move right on.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
That.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Ron loves streaming media like mid Face, the thing with
Ted Saranda YouTube. Ted's a great guy, right, yeah, exactly,
all right, we love Ted. Yeah. Anyways, there's a big
conversation about why Netflix season two's have not been performing
(13:16):
very well. Then there are a lot of theories as
to why this is. You look at you look at HBO,
they their shows will often grow from season one to
season two. You look at Netflix, no such luck. Most
of the time. What you get instead is people not
tuning in for season two, And there's a lot of
theories about why this might be. I have my own
that I am going to strenuously advocate for. Then we're
(13:39):
going to talk about The Odyssey, which is out and
being screened for critics and influencers. So all of that
plenty more. But first ed, we do like to ask
our guests, what is something from your search history that
is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So I don't know if anyone else has ever had
this happen, but you can get rate limited on Google.
If you use it too much, they start giving you
like captures you have to clear.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
It's like click on the bikes.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
And that's because I use Google like a database search
for my own US there, because I've got about one
and a half million words on there now, and so
you just do like site colon where's youred dot at
and then a word and it works really well. But
I use it so much it breaks Google sometimes, Yeah,
like and it just they slow it down to a crawl.
Then they're like, Okay, motherfucker, you want to keep using this, fine,
(14:31):
We're just going to capture you every single search. So yeah,
I have this unhealthy relationship with Google.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They're like, you sounds like you need an enterprise account.
They're like, what the fuck. No, they don't even offer
like anything special.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like it's just purely because you are using their free
service too much. They're like, all right, this guy's.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Really yeah, we gotta get we gotta.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Get this guy off of Google. Honestly, I would probably
pay for it.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Is it easier then to actually just search on like
your CMS or something for like a word?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, the thing is you can't really search a CMS
like that. You can't because I mean there's five hundred
odd articles now, and especially when it comes to a
very specific phrase that I use, which I have a
pretty good memory for everything I've said, but not exactly
where I've set it. And so, yeah, I just have
(15:22):
this unhealthy relationship with Google.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's great. I mean, someone at Google just heard you
say that and is like, we got to figure out
a way to charge him for them. We're gonna get
this bad boy on to my guy. If only that
would work.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's like the one thing that would be useful for
LLLMS and you can't really do that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It is it the best thing that the Internet has
created for us? Your thoughts said, go.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I would say so. I think the Library of Alexandria.
I think in its purest form it was something genly magical.
I think it's kind of a maligned version now, especially
with aiover.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yes, they've been trying to break it for over a decade.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
They've been trying to break it since twenty nineteen. That
did a whole story about the man who coool Google Search.
That was fun, hateful, hateful man, grab a guy, ragaman.
But nevertheless, there is I think that and honestly read it,
read it great. I've kind of turned around because you
have TDZ is a pretty good like active red air
(16:27):
and I have my I have what I like to
call Zitron truth Social because I met a slash better offline.
When it started was three guys who just shit on
the show.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Like that's a scopid. I hate this. And as I
got better at that me I got so excited.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
No, no, I was just like I got in there
and argued with them.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
As the show got better, I'm like, you need to
listen to me.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I went on aar slash behind the bastards and did
the same thing when people have dunked on the shovel.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You don't you don't know what you're talking about? What
do you mean? And this, And I then, like maybe
a week into its life, the guy who made the
suppredd it was like, do you want this? I don't
want to read this.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He was like very but he was like this is
like I'm like, no, absolutely, And now we get like
one hundred and eighty thousand people a week.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's absolutely it rules. But Reddit is magical, Like Reddit
actually is the closest I've found to the best of forums.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Sure, but you have to like aggressively.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You got to moderate it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, you gotta know you got it, and I'd like
moderating because I'm a freak, but god no, it's a
good place and just it's situ on truth social.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's citru it's very social myself.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's interesting to see how, like you know, because a
lot of times too, I'll be like, you know, there's
like subreddits for like buy it for life, where it's
like really well made things where it's like I only
want to buy one fucking fang like a box fan
or like a knife or something. And it's interesting to
see how brands have to like are completely changing like
tactics to sort of like karma farm on Reddit. So
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then they can post in these subreddits to like get
like their brand to sort of seem like an organic
post because they're starting to realize a lot of people,
especially when you look at like how Google will autocomplete,
like you'll ask.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
A question to be like reddit you want to throw
it reddit. On the end of that, I do a
lot of site colonreddit dot com searches.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well. One of my draconian rules of my subreddit is
no comma farming. If I see someone posting the same
thing in my subreddit and anywhere else banned delete it
Phantom Zone.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh, I have the.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Don't be an asshole rule, which is just and it's
literally just like, however I feel about a person sounds.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Me, it is don't be an aweshole to me. It
really is that simple.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
And people like you can't bam me, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'm like, buddy, I'm doing it right now. Welcome to
my fucking beefdom. Just did it? Just did friend? What's
something you think is underrated? Oh? The Toadies there is again?
Did Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Then in case that case, I'm changing to Eve six.
Hell yeah, you think I don't have another nineties band ready? Actually, honestly,
I'm just gonna I'm just going to do this so
that I never do this underrated thing again. Nineties rock
music is great and there's a reason why I consider
it so great, which is I discovered it in two
(19:27):
thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Ah, when I moved.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
To Penn State. I did my first year in Penn State,
and my roommate was like, oh, you got to put
play this helmet.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm like, whoa. The Doddies were local.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Age, right right, And so I am still finding new
bands like Oleander, I discovered the other day.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
These bands are not you right right right?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like, oh, like load of Dyllinger Escape Plan album and
I'll be like this is so good, and I'll go
and look at it's like nineteen ninety nine Eve.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Six disbanded in two thousand, them four just making room
for you on their and their fandom.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
They came back and they made several new songs.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, and they're back and they're fucking great.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, this is this is an attempt to bar me
from future underrated nineties rock bands because it is a crutch.
I also do genuinely love them.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it's funny because the wait, so you said, prior
to you becoming a Nitney Lion, you were what were
you listening?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
What were you consuming in the UK?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Because I feel like in the past of your time,
like Mike Skinner and stuff and like the streets stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Really that kind of thing. Oh wait, what else are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Basement Jacks Jacks, Yes, but Chaster.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Jacks and Weezer and death Metal, in Flames, Arch Enemy,
Children of Boat, Them, Shadows Full all sorts of. It's
really great because I seem I don't want to say normal,
but I don't seem like an automatic metal fan, but
Trivium not a great one. But nevertheless, so I came
to America and I learned all of this. Like, I
(20:58):
was also horribly depressed when I came to America, and
my time at Penn State really like helped me open up.
I also like discovered the band Kansas at the time,
and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, location based rock band, that is funny.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, because like I had a thing like that when
I first got into yacht rock. I was listening to
like the Darkest Ship, and then part of me was like, no,
this is kind of fun too, Okay, Yeah, I like this.
I like Michael McDonald's falsetto voice, like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The duality of man lovely.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Though sometimes you gotta flip, like like I'll listen to
Mastodon all day, but now I'm like, fuck it, I'm
gonna play the Blue album right right, right right.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So I finally went to Erawe and I've got to
be I got myself a little little called the Little Sushi. Yeah,
it was like eleven dollars and they didn't have diet coke.
And I'm like, look, if you're going to beat the
shit out of me price wise. At least give me
(22:03):
my slot. Give me the poisons. Yeah, give me my poison.
I drink eleven of these a day. You're not gonna
stop me.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Hell yeah, full long.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't think it's eleven. I think it's like seven,
which is.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Not much better. Get a loud. I'm like, that doesn't
that's not much better.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's easily to over two forty ounces. You would have
been drinking a day if I think of it in forties.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah. But I just looked around the store.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm like, this is just the British store Marks and
Spencer where it's like, hey, what if things were nice
and fresh? Right, right, and the things are nice and
fresh like it wasn't that it was bad, it's just
when you I feel like you have these kinds of
stores all over Europe as well. It's like, what if
we had a nice store, well, like a nice food shop,
(22:48):
obscenely nice. Yeah yeah, well I don't even know if
it's obscenely nice.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I mean and like because like it's a crazy too,
like if you get something there. I had to get
chicken soup the other day and I went in for
the first time, and it's like there's a three dollars
to pot, Like everything's in glass and you owe three
bucks for every container You're take it like that's three
bucks on top and I'm like, what, bro, just give
me the fuck.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This soup is expensive.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
To return the gloss you can get it, yeah, to
get your like thing. And I'm like, dude, I have
a sick partner at home. I gotta just give me
the fucking jar.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, yeah, I stand by this. That that's so strange.
I mean, I get it, I guess, but three bucks.
But at least Emins has Percy pigs. You know, one
of my favorite, some of the best, weirdly enough peaking
duck I've ever had, was from the set, you know,
right like but like they just very good peaking duck.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You can heat up that. I know.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It was like the first time I had it, and
I've had it many times since. I'm like, it's still ranking.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
There's something there's something about it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, not having it is funny because like whole foods
are so many, especially in LA, there are so many
health centric markets like that where it's only like the
most healthy organic thing and like you just can't even
get like normal cheerios. I'm like, yes, I checked, like
that wasn't a diabolical food product. And they're like, no, no, no,
we have brand hoops And I'm like, no, fuck all this.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't need extra fiber or whatever the ship is
you put in it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, it's plastics worse cheerios for people who don't trust branding,
who don't trust things that have been like I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Do really like other people, like I don't trust General Males,
but I trust Era one, right.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They can't even spell their own name backwards correctly due
supposed to be nowhere backwards. But it's they fucked up this.
I know they say that, but like, is that actually true?
I mean it doesn't mean anything else.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, I guess so I trust them because they do
collaborations with Balenciaga, for sure, I.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Would like them better. I think this is a really
good pitch to Ara One that they should have one
product that is carconage and bad for you that is
just like undeniable, and it's it's either diet cokes or cigarettes.
I think, you know what I mean, I think, but
like it has to be like one, like no other
coke products just die yeah, just the one where they're like, sorry,
(25:15):
this is this is good enough that we're gonna let it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Road, or they should do the thing like like when
they had CD video stores that had an adult section
in the back.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah you know, yeah, curtain that you go through and
you can get diet back there. I got.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, it's got to costume, mate, Yeah, yeah, you want
to do cut.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, pig give me, give me a quick little spin
round tight coins just completely off record. I want this
one on the books.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm not not explanting nu missmakes but I'm not thinking
this is from the realm.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
The realm is actually not a bad brutish ax and
I try. He's pretty good. Your culture is my costume, man.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, just to be clear, you can always make fun
of the everyone can do that. They don't deserve any mercy.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like Victor just asked if we make him horny baby
again in the chat, he's spamming it right now. Let's
take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
(26:35):
we're back. We're back. And just so that we're not
forcing our listeners to go to MSNBC or Drudge.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
To ms NOW, Jack ms now, fuck Vassalt.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, any any new updates. Miles. I know you said
you guys did a AI story.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yes, I mean I have a pretty big question just
because i've I've you know, we talk a lot about AI,
and I mostly keep up with a lot of the
stuff you're doing. But like one big thing I was
just really thinking about was the whole like this weird
moment that AI's at right now, there's like somewhat not
like a tactical retreat, but a rhetorical softening of things
(27:14):
like all that recently a lot of the AICO is
like it's probably not gonna it's not gonna take all
the jobs.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Actually, it's not gonna do all that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And now like there's also talk about like all of
this extra computing power that exists out there. I'm curious,
like just broadly, that's not good for an industry that's
talking about you need to invest massively. It's like, what
is it doing. Are you expanding so much to the
point that you need all this capital or like now
you made too much shit and now you're like, fuck, bro,
(27:42):
we gotta we gotta offload this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
So what's funny is two years ago I was like, yeah,
at some point, businesses an't gonna get charged the real
cost of AI, and we're gonna find out we built
too many dit sentence, and at the time they thought
me mad. Uh they there was a genuine degree of like,
this guy's fucking great.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But now what happened was bay Man back.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
In March twenty twenty six open AI problem by the way,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Thank you sorry, noted.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And back in March or so they open a Iro
and Anthropic were like, okay, businesses, we're going to make
you pay the actual cost of your tokens. Because before
that anyone could on the two hundred bucks a month plan,
you could burn eight thousand dollars worth of tokens on
Anthropic and fourteen thousand dollars on chat GPT. So just
keep that in mind. Pay a deal without by paying
(28:33):
two hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Two hundred for fourteen grand worth of product. It's just
forty bucks for a dollar baby. Lastly, but Ed, this
is what i'll tech companies do. It's like the last
leader Uber was charging slightly under what it was spending,
and then they built a massive business.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And so in March they moved them onto that and
then immediately all of these companies that have been doing
saying like us AI for everything you said. Suddenly they're
all talking in austerity measures. They are like, well, well
we've got to moderate, we've got to we've got to
spend less on it, we've got to be obviously, we
all love AI, right, they're looking around like Death of Starling, like, well, yeah,
(29:10):
we all love this, right, this is really good, but
we can't spend quite as much on it. And then
Uber revealed that they'd spent their entire annual token budget
in three months, and then their chief operating officers said
they have it was hard.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
To justify the cost because.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They couldn't connect it to useful things, right, So we're
just kind of fucking around on it.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, videos of dogs dancing.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
That's the thing though, That's what happened. Everyone's been using
these things just on these subsidized subscriptions. But now businesses
are being made to pay the real cost and they're
all freaking out. Suddenly they've gone from AI and everything
to AI in measures, right, and maybe we'll use cheaper models,
maybe we'll do this, maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
But people keep saying, well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
They'll cut the costs, right, and they'll cut the amount
they spend. The problem is you can't actually measure the
returnal investment of AI because you pay for it regardless
of whether it messes up or not. So if you
make it do some coding thing and it goes in
a loop and burns twenty bucks of tokens, you own
them twenty dollars. Like, it's not like they go, oh,
it messed up. You don't have to pay another You
(30:20):
pay regardless. So businesses are suddenly freaking out about this,
and also Meta that a month ago on their shareholder
meeting they said, oh yeah, Mark Zuckerberg and all his
esteem said yeah, we think we have a use for
all this compute at this point, spending over one hundred
billion dollars on it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We think we do. But if we don't, we'll rent
our compute to people.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And it just came out about a week ago that
Meta is going to do that, which basically is Meta saying, yeah,
we don't need all of this, so we'll rent it
to someone else. Except the other problem is is basically
all the compute in the world, all of the demand
at least comes from anthropic and open AI, who both
only lose money. So it's just so it's just like
they've built all this compute capacity. There isn't really demand
(31:04):
for AI compute outside of those two companies, and those
two companies cannot afford to pay for the computer, right,
So it's just like this weird thing where everyone's kind
of looking around Shiftley and being like, yeah, this is
all bad, but what if it wasn't?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right? Right? So I think, yeah, there's like a distinction
where that I think you might have pointed out the
last time you're on. But I think we all assume
that the more they use AI, the cheaper it will get. Eventually,
like they'll figure something out and it'll get cheaper to
use it on a like per use basis, and like
the energy consumption just like makes that not possible, right.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
So it's not happened like like just without even being
too complex.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's not got cheaper. It's just they're like, it's gonna
get you. No it isn't. It hasn't it's gonna do this. No,
it won't.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And it's interesting, like is it they're in such a thing.
I mean, like as we've always been of the belief
that this is them always saying it can do more
than it can to just kind of drive up the
price and prop up all of these companies. But now
it's such an interesting moment where it's like, we need
all this money for data centers sake, and we got
extra and it's like, so it's not working out.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
No, it's not. It's actually really it's actually really good.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
And it's great as well because the AI boosters there
was this we don't have to go into the depths
of it, but this fable model from Anthropic, and people like, oh,
it's changing everything, it's doing all these things. But the
only people who are actually reacting to the new model
in that way are the most insane AI boosters. So
it's got to a point where it's almost like they're
(32:44):
running out. They've run out of ideas. Everyone's run out
of ideas. But they've also they're kind of half hearted
at this point. They're like, wow, this is changed everything.
I guess I don't even read my code, and they
just they're not enjoying it. I'm not enjoying it. No
one's enjoying it. Everyone's just kind of like moving money round.
And even then, Anthropic had this crazy revenue jump in
(33:04):
the first few months of the year from that thing
of charging customers the real rates, so they just had
this temporary boom cycle that's now become a bus cycle
where everyone goes, all right, why am I spending fifty
million dollars a month in this crab? There was apparently
Axios reported a company that spent five hundred million dollars
on Anthropic tokens in one month because they did not
(33:28):
send upset spending limits. And it's like if that was
counted in their revenue figures.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, right, right right, you can't.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Like if you're getting excited about it, it's like, yeah, our
biggest customer in that month was an.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Accident, right, left the tap on.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah exactly, Like, yeah, we just left the tap running
and it cost us half a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Insane, insane. The Anthropic would still.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Charge them, right, How much of the last question before
we move off are like how much of this do
you feel like is specific to the US economy and
like just the process of like corporate capture and everything
versus Like I think I remember seeing some statistic.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Where like in Europe AI, like public opinion on AI
is not as negative as it is in the United States.
Is it like specific to the technology or is it
specific to how the US is using it as just
like a never ending magical piggybank.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I think it's everywhere to an extent. I mean you've
got the gormous plats in England being.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Like, oh well we need a chavereign.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
AI strategy got in Canada to it, and I mean
in general, it's everyone being it's like the scourge of neoliberalism,
the idea that everything has to be centered around growth,
the free market can dominate Milton Friedman's bullshit sure, and
that every company must grow forever.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
And thus after decades of that, they've chased out all
the people that finish the sentence, which is growth. We
need growth in our companies dot dot dot that's sustainable
so that the company doesn't run out of money eventually,
or so we don't all jump.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
On something that run out of resources.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Also so that we don't jump on a hype cycle
that just only exists to burn money, right, because that
really is the AI bubble. It's just it is a
tool that exists to burn stuff, to give people a
reason to buy data centers, to give people a reason
to spend money, to give a company a reason to spend,
to charge a lot of money, and it's just there
was a Wall Street Journal story that just came up
(35:37):
before it came on that was like yeah, And on
top of that, after these companies have talked about how
successful they were, apparently they're giving away millions of dollars
of tokens to businesses to get them to sign and
it's like, yeah, how.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Much of that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's just at some point it's like, Okay, so they've
built too much capacity. They're having to literally pay people
to take to use their software. They're subsidizing regular users
like forty dollars for every dollar, and also Nvidia is
paying its customers to buy its GPUs. Now, I don't
know if this was a real boy, if this was
(36:11):
not Pinocchio, a wretched, horrible stinkkeep up.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It, maybe maybe it wouldn't have all.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The signs of a speculative bubble, you know, like if
it didn't have every warning sign. But you still, I
will say since I was last on, the big thing
that's changed is pretty much every outlet now is going hmmm,
are we in an AI bubble?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Right right right?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And just repeating things that I've said in different words.
I don't think ripping me off, just like because a
lot of what I'm saying is fairly obvious when you look.
It's like, huh so all the money is basically being
fed between maybe eleven companies. Interesting, And it's just all
of this could have been avoided had anyone thought about
this a year and a half ago like we have,
(36:55):
if we'd have tried to slow this crap down in
twenty twenty four and be.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Like, ah, this isn't the thing. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
When we have a stock market that only cares about growth,
in the tech industry that only cares about growth, this is.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
What you get.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You get a thing that only exists to create growth,
that doesn't really resemble a functional product but kind of
symbolizes growth in general. So yeah, it's it's really bad.
It's all really awful, very bad.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Not for me, I'm going to look great, but so good.
It's what was this?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Darren Ravel once said, It's like, I feel bad for
this nation, but it's tremendous content. Right, to be clear,
the people that are going to suffer here are regular people.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, and it's just it really sucks, it does, but again,
good for us content gold mine. No, it's all right,
But I really thought, I really thought I was going
to get some actionable insight into how I could invest
in a on this one. You foiled me once again.
(38:04):
Sounds bearish, man, sounds not gonna lie to you. Sound
a little bearish. All right, let's talk real quick about
Mitch McConnell because we have an exciting update. His office
has said that he appreciates the outpouring of support he's
receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital. Damn,
(38:24):
that sounds like super conscious, you know, like like he's awake.
He appreciates the outpouring of sympathy and that he continues
to improve and us working closely with his staff on
Kentucky and Senate matters while the Senate is out of
the session. They did stop short of adding, see here
he is wearing sunglasses and waving with Andrew McCarthy and
(38:47):
Jonathan Silverman.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
They're like, here, put his headphones on. He'll start dancing
weekend at Bernie's. Reference at Bernie's too, which was a
curse of I'm sorry, right, yeah, his body had been
cursed to like be what a strange curse. That's like
one of us as one of those like Venus flytrap
(39:11):
toys that dances when you make noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a lot of smoke around this because for weeks
they were like not explaining anything, right, and then now
there's all kinds of weird shit happening, like in the periphery.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, so his daughter has randomly deleted her social media accounts.
Laura lumer is claiming that he's officially brain dead, which
we don't always trust what Laura Lumoor has to say,
but that is the sort of thing that if he
was officially brain dead, Trump would definitely like tell her,
you know, right right right, she would find out he
(39:47):
died like a dog, a guy like a dog put
him down. Though some say he was already brain dead.
Now it's official.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I'm not saying it, but people are saying.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
There's so many jokes already. But like, just off the
back of that one, you have you heard about this
Mitch McConnell, Jay Leno says it was a bruised face.
So so the reason for the specific specific conspiracy that
his death is being withheld or you know, he's being
(40:22):
kept alive in the most perfunctory of manners, just technically alive,
is because if he is dead or has to resign
due to a serious health problem. It would set up
a special election, since the Kentucky legislature passed a law
in twenty twenty four stripping the state's Democratic governor, Andy Basheer,
(40:43):
of the power to fill a vacant US Senate seat,
So it should just go to the Democratic governor to
be like, all right, here, who's going Here's who's going
in there? Or it would have. It would have, it
would have. Now it's they got scared that there was.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
The only difference is like what you'd you'd either call
a special election that would happened weeks before the general, yeah,
and that would just be chaos, or you just wait
for the general. But I mean a lot of people
are pointing, like his wife skipped town. There was all
kinds of things.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
His wife went to China.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, what's a Lina doing in China?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
What is she doing?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
She's a spy, which is what a lot of people
are now, They're like, what is she doing? Like what's
a lot of people are like, she's the one that
would be able to pull the plug and she's not
there to make deals in China. I'm like, well, I
mean it's not like Andy Basher would be able to
get to pick who the fucking the replacement would be.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
But yeah, there's a lot. I mean.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
The thing that's also very strange is like a lot
of maga people now are like, we need to see him,
what's going on with him? We demand proof of life.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Off the years of saying every conspiracy
theory is true and every government is doing conspiracies twenty
four seven and tons out that people have conspiratal thoughts. Yeah, yep,
that sometimes don't benefit you. No, don't make any coaching sense.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I just really liked the idea of being like, show
me Mitch, show me McConnell, the bureau chief. The bureau
chief of Breitbart posted McConnell's staff should produce proof of
the senator's condition one way or another.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Right now, who's that guy in a black turtleneck in
black slacks down behind him right there? Moving? Whose arm
keeps Jim Henson's situation exactly? All right? Should we take
a quick break, Yeah, we'll come back. We'll reveal if
Mitch McConnell's still left, we'll be right back. And we're back.
(42:42):
We're back.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
No new news on the no news, although it does
make when I remember the Majority Leader Thune in the
Senate was like, yeah, I spoke to him and he
sounded great, and you're like he said that like back
in June, and you're kind of like, eh, did he did? He?
That's where it's like it's hard to know, like because
(43:04):
it's like obvious because that was the thing, even when
they were keeping it a secret, was sort of like
no one's really saying anything, and all the stuff that's
being said about him, like he can't wait to get
back to work. Oh, he's ready to fight for the
people at Kentucky. Be so crazy if that whole time
they didn't speak to him, he was actually on life
support the whole time. And I mean, it wouldn't be crazy,
it would be very predictable.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, I mean he is that. It is a very
Mitch McConnell way to go, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, I mean that a way for him to go,
for him to permanently retreat him too his shell, right, Yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Sure, his head has just sunk down below his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
The totals thigh a future Google search for me.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
All right, Uh, let's talk about Netflix, baby, Let's talk
about flicks baby. So people on social media over the weekend.
On Monday, were talking about this strange phenomenon that Netflix
shows seem to see a massive drop off between season
one and season two in a way that isn't true
(44:02):
of competitors such as you know, HBO, And the theories
that I'm seeing most often are an argument between people
saying it's that they wait too long. You know, other
places like HBO, they'll wait a year and then put
out the next season and they have it on like
(44:23):
some sort of standardized production schedule, whereas Netflix will just
let it ride. And there's also the theory that it's
the release schedule, with everything dropping on one day and
therefore no prolonged cultural conversation that kind of keeps people
interested in the show. They're also not incentivized to have
(44:47):
shows that keep people coming back for season two because
once they've got you with season one, it's not going
to drive new subscriptions. They're all about driving new subscriptions,
and so once it's it's better for them to just
like have people you know come for a new show
(45:11):
around this thing. And yeah, but yeah, so in terms
of I don't know, I've talked to like, I have
a friend who has written for like HBO shows, and
he is like he thinks it's like a couple of
it's like a mixture of everything. But I just wanted
to throw out a theory that I haven't seen getting
as much run, which is that the season twos of
(45:34):
Netflix shows haven't tried being good yet for the most part, Like, okay,
when you think about I'm a little bearish on the
season twos, like, I just I don't know why it
wouldn't be the simple explanation that, like all of their
biggest shows have started out better than they ended up,
(45:57):
and it's been like House of Cards was their big
guaranteur and they had you know what's his name, David
Fincher like on board to direct like early episodes of that,
and then it like fell apart towards the end, and
like the general take that you would get from people
is like, yeah, this show is not good anymore. Stranger
(46:19):
Things is, I think more controversial. I'm probably not the
best person to speak about Stranger Things, but because because
you loved I watched season one and thought it was
fine and then heard from people who watched season two
that it wasn't quite as good, And I was like well,
that would follow the pattern that I've kind of come
(46:40):
to expect from Netflix, which is like it's a retreat
to mediocrity, like even when they have a very good
first season.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But you think that'sal or just because they're greed just.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Cut another season. No, I think it's I'm just saying
that the reason their ratings would be going down for
season two is because the people are smart enough to
recognize a pattern and be like, well, I'm not going
to be like super excited. It's gonna fall off like that. Yeah,
it's gonna fall like. People aren't stupid, you know, they're
just like, yeah, I don't know about squid Game season two. Oh,
(47:18):
swig Game might be the best example, because they squid
Game season one was just like a movie script that
they couldn't get the makers couldn't get financing for, so
they turned it into a single standalone season, and then
Netflix was like, all right, well that's the most successful
season that we've ever had of anything. Now we're gonna
(47:39):
go big on season two. And it immediately like fell
off and nobody enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The problem is with Netflix is their shows vibrate with
loathing for the customer. They changed the actors. They take
forever to get out there. Netflix lighting fucking sucks. They
throw too much stuff on there, too fuss. So every
thing it gets back to the rock economy thing. It's
about growth number go up. They want to see engagement numbers.
(48:06):
And what they don't realize is as well is the
Netflix can choose what will get famous. They they it's
a self of They can choose. They can choose where
something is placed on the platform. They can choose if
something becomes big. They control the algorithm. It's not like
the algorithm is an angry beast.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That they.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
And it books out a season of something. No, it's
they choose. They are the ones that are choosing to
lower the quality of everything, so people just get flooded
with stuff and shit. There are a ton of shows
I've watched though just kind of I've forgotten existed, Like
I just don't really a way that that get like
on Amazon Prime upload fantastic show, love that show to bets.
(48:50):
Actually really think it's been great. I didn't realize there
was a new season for Over yet. It's a sorry upload.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's I don't even know the proof point though.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's a show about where if you die they can
upload you to a digital world, and depending on how
rich you were before you died, you'll have a better experience.
It's a great insane that it's on Amazon, but that
show hadn't new season out for two years and I
just missed it because they flood these channels with stuff,
and so they don't they're like, oh, I wonder why
(49:24):
this doesn't work, or like the actors change, or they
don't really care about the writing. It's just there's a
soullessness that Netflix and streaming media in general brings that
I think it damages creative content. I think it just
turns everything into content. But I didn't watch the second
season The Squid Game because I just.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Don't really care.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Now, Victor just made the point where it's like they
cancel shows really quickly too. Netflix put themselves in this problem.
The people that make my good paraphrase my girlfriend here
is she does she directs horror movies, and it's like
they don't These shows are not picked by people who
like TV or like movies. These aren't fans of visual entertainment.
They are various levels of Patagonia Gargoyle who were just
(50:11):
sitting around being like, well, the engagement numbers on this one.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I like that you see that number went up over.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
There and with a with a kind of Asian people
between twelve and twenty four. That could be someone that
we market to. Like, wow, number go up there too,
but way number go down here. Cancel the entire thing, right,
because it's just and it's just this arbitrary mess. And
so it's got and there are so many streaming services now,
(50:39):
who the fuck knows where every I had to I
wanted to watch a returnal Living then with mcgolfriend the
other day and it was on MGM.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Plus I didn't know that exists.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, isn't that Amazon? Like doesn't Amazon on MGM?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Like? What the fuck? You had to pay for it?
On top of Prime Amazon?
Speaker 2 (50:56):
I will say, also I blowout with John Travolta, which
was nomenal, great movie, brand, dearmer, fantastic stuff.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
It's just like it was the joke that people made
at the beginning that we're going to get to a
point where there are so many streaming services it's basically
cable TV, except that's exactly what it's become, except it's worse,
except arguably worse because the monetization of streaming platforms is
piss poor. The money that most of them make is pathetic.
Like most of these shows will never make back what
(51:26):
they make because it's all sloshed between. It's all sloshed between.
Oh how many subscriptions did we get? What ads were
run on?
Speaker 1 (51:35):
It?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Are the ads paying that well? Streaming ads don't tend
to pay that well at all. And honestly, even like
Amazon Prime streaming is the ads on that are insane.
You get like five ads back to back, Yeah, but
not in a but they feel worse than regular ones.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'm not sure why. They're often the same series of
ads over and over and over again. Yes, and that
never happens in podcasting, so we're superior.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
If anything, they content only improves of a time.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I do feel like the entertainment that gets made in
the entertainment industry has gotten worse. But we're in this weird,
like warped reality where we don't really recognize it or
like it. I guess because for so long that just
was old people and maybe that is what this is,
but like it, it does just feel like I don't
know that they're like, what's going on with the why
(52:29):
are people tuning in for season one and then not
giving a shit about any of the subsequent seasons from
a network, from a creator that only gives a shit
about season one and then like basically fucks off for
season two or like takes too long, or like doesn't
doesn't prioritize it at all because they basically think about
(52:50):
it as like, well, we already got them hooked.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
What's well, they don't understand that, like the the attention
and the engagement that clicks, that's a byproduct of making
art that people want to.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
That's right, and so about that now it is because
number went up and.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Get this out here also woke nonsense, but you know
what I mean, Like it's that inversion of it of like,
well we can there's a way to make it formulaic
to your point ed of like how do we just
get the KPI's fucking popping? Then yeah, you just do
underhanded ship like I don't know, put a fucking famous
face on there, dupe them into watching five episodes and
(53:27):
then fuck off and then do the next thing and
then just be like just rinse and repeat. But then
you just go further and further down and down and down,
in quality, and which is why I think like the
last month and a half of like features that have
come out, like you're just seeing all these like independent
like you know, semi independent like more ideas that aren't
based on existing ip just do so well, and they're
(53:48):
still like, what the fuck's going?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I will say I my controversial view is actually remembe
this isn't that controversial with the people who will like
actually like the what was it obsession? And people are like, well,
they didn't have to give because it was a non
union production. I think they didn't have to share the
profits for people because that's how it were.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
We'd buy that logic. They should have to share the
workers should have to give back the money if the
movie doesn't do well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
If your movie cot is cheap as chips to build
and make and ship and people like it in same
ways to refer to a movie just moving on, then
and you make a shit ton of money more, you
should share that with the crew.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I don't give a crap who you are.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
What if you make a bunch of money off of
something by surprise and you paid people cheap because you're
an indie production. You're a fucking asshole if you don't
share that. And I understand and I get that there
are non union productions that are only like they wouldn't
come together if they were union people couldn't afford it,
like to be clear and very pro union, but it's
like indie film is tough, yeah, and it's rough on people,
(54:55):
and there are some real scumbags in it, but there
are also some people who are just doing what they
can with a very small In all of these scenarios,
the profit should be shad right, especially from a movie
that is just blowing up insanely.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Just especially like a project too that's like counting on
like hey man, just for like believing in it. Let's
just make something special. He knows what's going to happen film, right,
And then if the who knows what's gonna happen ends
up being millions and millions of dollars beyond what you
could have ever projected, yeah, then you go back and
be like, hey, I know the going rate for your
work as an art director would have been like seventy thousand,
(55:29):
and I gave you exactly here's at least here's here.
Let me get you to seventy thousand, get what that
would but yeah, the whole like well.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
It's it's there, it's if they get to do what
they want. It's like, okay, yeah, just shut up now,
I'm just I'm researching David Lynch for an upcoming countograph
and just like re you know, the thing I grew
up being like, well, this is the evil Empire is
network television, and like ABC was willing to make twin
peaks like that, you know, like they were like, I
(55:58):
don't know, nobody watched maybe because he didn't Laura Palmer,
they certainly did. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Like how he ended up answering it in the most
insane way, right, like just like it's like, okay, you
want an answer, you want.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
To know, here it is. Here you go. It's a
question one who gave birth to Laura? Why? David Lynch said, just.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
You got you got to listen to those old weather
reports to dialing.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
It's like watching Icarus fly there for a second.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Here David Lynch was from me into David Lynch in
the last year. It's it's genuinely a fellow autist. I
wish I could have somehow known magical fellow truly interesting.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
That's gonna be a banger. And speaking of a banger,
ed so lucky to have you. Thank you so much
for joining us. Where can people find you? Follow you,
read you all that good stuff? Where's your head? Dot ant?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Please subscribe? It's my principal form of income. Now, yeah,
we can do this, fellas nad. It's going well better
offline dot com subscribe to the podcast. It's goddamn marvelous, marvelous.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I have honestly been listening to Mastodon steam Breather on
repeat the last day. I don't know why, but it's
just a magnificent song. Also, Killer Be Killed is a
supergroup made of mastered on the Guy from Dillingher Escape Plan.
It's become one of my favorite albums of all time.
Please go and listen to it.
Speaker 1 (57:30):
The self titled album came out about a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
It's marvelous, marvelous.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
You got the double marvelous, that's right. And have you
been enjoying a huge Jackman clip by any chances there? Yes?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I have?
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
So there's this movie called Pan that came out I
think ten or fifteen years ago, and there is this
insane clipe I've not seen the movie where huge Huge
Jackman is. Jackman is Captain hook or Not. And he's
just walking around people, walking around this ship like it's
like a fancy man in like a suit Obama, and
(58:07):
he's just singing smells like teen Spirit to this crowd.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Of children and he jumps up on the earth goes
hur alarge child hurts.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Those dangerous and the kids are singing along.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
It's like, what is this And it's not a musical.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
It's just that just happens in the middle of it.
Is that just something written into Hugh Jackman's deals. He's like,
I gotta have a musical number.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Right, I need to make sure I can sing it
smells a lot teen Spirit. Wait, really, I guess no.
I think it was just the director and I, you
know what, it doesn't look like a great movie. But
I really have to give a director credit for just
being like, no, I'm doing this. I finally I'm gonna
do it. I've been thinking about this for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
I like to imagine he just learned about the song
as he was making the movies, Like I got to
put that in there.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
I just I have this feeling that I could be
a great showman. Read it the g Show. What a
weird choice for Captain Hook. There there are versions of
Peter Pan and Pinocchio and Robin Hood that have been
made with like massive celebrities that you have never heard of,
(59:17):
just all those open source things. They're just like, what
if we tried that again? We're gonna try that every
six months, Let's see how it goes. Yeah, but they
don't make bad movies that they used to. They don't.
They don't. What if in this one Captain Hook saying
nerv oh oh wait wait.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, we're gonna need to spend a lot on CGI.
But that's just the cost of doing business with CGI.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Miles where can people find you as their workimedia you've
been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
I'm talking about ninety talking about talking about the world
of football on Ain't It Footy with Jamel Johnson and
Chris Martin. Check that show out too. Thanks everybody who's
been listening, especially through the tournament to the World Cup.
A couple of works I like the US lost to
Belgium was just so funny. Because man on social media,
(01:00:08):
the jokes were fucking hitting so hard. And here's just
a few that I love. This one is from at Prison.
Mitch said the USA can still advance to the round
of eight if Mike Pence has the courage.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's it's so fucking stupid. At Luke is amazing, so good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I haven't seen America this thoroughly embarrassed on the World
States since we lost that war. We started do with
Iran like three weeks ago. Then another one is at
Economissive posted in football, there is a tactic called parking
the bus was where it's very negative, defensive style of
play where we put all of your men, like all
of your defenders in front of the box to just
(01:00:47):
prevent any kind of offensive anything taking off from like
your opposition.
Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So it's that's called parking the bus.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
At Economissive posted the US trying to park the bus
but they don't really have a functioning public transport system.
Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Yeah, just a lot of a lot of good ones
enjoyed them. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at
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Richard Lawson, who as all the influencer takes on the
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expect from Honda. Heh Yeah, Happy Honda Days. Happy Honda
Days to us all. And William freaking tweeted if you
ever catch yourself asking where an actor has been, they're
on season three of an Apple TV show. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
(01:01:41):
I'll believe it. They're on Upload season four. We all
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about in today's episode, as well as a song that
we think you might enjoy, Miles, is there a song
that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
This is a just musician, musician, musician, singer artist from
West London, UH who is known as aluyah A l
e w y A. The track is called mock Tube
m a K t O U B. It's got like
some nice sort of African Arabic rhythms to it h
and just kind of like a nice just look, just
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gonna make.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Your big toe shoot up in your boot. So check
this one out. This is muck Tube m A K
T O U B by al Away. Sorry not.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Justin Timberlake saying drop the hal cleaner. It's no, it
is ayah. Yeah, so maybe she listened to him.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
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