August 13, 2024 • 64 mins
In episode 1724, Jack and guest co-host Caitlin Durante are joined by co-host of Popular Cradle and 5-4 Pod, Rhiannon Hamam, to discuss… Trump Vs. United States, SCOTUS Helping Him Get Elected? And more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up, Rannon?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How's they going?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's going on? I'm down the Jersey Shore, so it's
gonna be a lot of.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That every.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Coming to laundry GTL down the Shore.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
YO, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point
fifty one, Episode two of Dardilly's gust a production of iHeartRadio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August thirteenth,
(00:48):
twenty twenty four, Tuesday the thirteenth, famously Spooky. My name is,
of course the Spooky Friday, the thirteenth ghost who coprom
surrounding goes woo Jason Board He's famous line, Yes, my name's.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Jack O'Brien aka JJ Redrick tracking down the tweet JJ
Redrick is water ice, not pee, JJ Redrick.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You don't believe me, but it's the truth. It could
have happened, no to you, not pee. That is courtesy
of halcyon Salad on the Discord, kind of a mashup
reference to a run of rhetoric nicknames that Miles and
I got on last week. For reasons I don't remember.
(01:41):
We hit rhetoric Taylor Drederick Taylor Simpson's reference and of
course JJ Rederick and then also referring to the time
I went on a scary ride at Ocean City's Wonderland
Pier and might have peed my pants. As a full adult,
I might have. I don't. Don't this calls for another
OOO scary That is what I did after I said
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oOoOO to try and distract people. I don't know. My
pants were just wet. I don't think I peed my pants,
but everybody else thinks I did. Also update on that
theme park I am down the shore and that dilapidated
amusement park I grew up going to. It's just this
like massive dirty smells, like roller coaster grease. Even though
(02:29):
they shut the Big roller coaster down in nineteen ninety
nine when it killed two people. A few days ago
they announced it has been sold and is shutting down
after like ninety four years in operation. It's what a
shame like. And it's like a I think the owner
of the person who like the landlord, is like a
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hotel developer, like a full eighties movie back, trying to
shut down the like the children's dancing the Comunity Center.
Yeah the fuck anyways, rip to Wonderland peer. I will
be taking my kids there tonight and I will not
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be pissing my pants. That is the Jack O'Brian guarantee.
I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat
today by very special co host, talented writer, stand up comedian,
co host of The Bechdel Cast, one of the great
film podcasts. They also happen to have a master's degree
in film. The most anagrammable name in the English language,
(03:31):
so if you've been given their name in a jumble
of out of order scrabble tiles, you may know them
as Lauren d Titanic Latin dancer, Uti nine tit Dracula.
But to us they will always be Caitlin Doronte.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Thank you for having me. I have a new one AKA,
And do I feel silly saying this in front of
such an.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Esteemed guest world. We've already just jumped off the cliff
of good taste, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You're talking about pissing your pants, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I thought that would maybe take the pressure of.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Thank you so much, Okay, Caitlin Dronte aka A rancid
lun tit, A rancid lun tit. Yeah, this is a
new one. I haven't I haven't discovered this one until today.
L u n e l u n e. Which if
you're like, what's that? What's I thought it was l
o o n you know, a bird? Maybe I'm not sure,
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but a luon l u n e. Let me just
do a quick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And of course that is and we all know it, folks,
So I don't know why I'm even having to tell you.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, you know, I just want to get this exactly correct.
It's a crescent shaped figure formed on a sphere or
plane by two arcs intersecting at two points. We all
know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes, the moonlike crescent. Yes, Caitlyn, the moonlight crescent. Amazing. Well,
it's great to have another Caitlin Durante anagram in the family,
in the zeke loon, in the zeitgeist, and it has
entered the zeitgeist, the rancid lun tit.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Thank you so much, and I would be remiss my
responsibilities as co host today. I have to say that today,
August thirteenth is National Filet Mignon Day. Okay, national is
our International left handers Day. You're left handed, it's your day.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And I was pumping my right hand, but I am
left handed.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay, very good. And then also National Prosecco Day, so
we've got to kind of fancy, you know, prosecco filet
mignon if.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You're feeling Nazi, fucking fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Have a dinner. I don't think prosecco really goes with
filet mignon. You would have probably a red wine with
with a steak.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you know, prosecco is like a non champagne champagne.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, it's champ it's the poor man's champagne.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, sham champagne, but not fully champagne.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's sham champagne.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It is in no way the file mignon of champagne.
It is no no, no, no, no no no, no, no
no no, it is yeah. It's the skirt steak. It's
the the hot dog, the hot dog. Anyways, Caitlin, we
are thrilled to be joined by one of the hosts
of popular Cradle podcast, a podcast about Palestine. Also co
(06:45):
hosts five to four, a podcast about all the ways
the Supreme Court is a fucking disaster. She's a supervising
attorney at Texas Law, has worked as a public defender
in Rio Grande City, Texas and an act of who
got arrested for protesting Israel's ongoing atrocities against Palestine. Please
welcome back to the show, Rihann.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And Hama Me. I didn't prepare any akaa's, but yeah,
I guess that Rihann and hammam aka jailbird. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. You've been arrested since we
last spoke.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's right. Yeah, great to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here. Yeah,
you got arrested protesting on the campus of University of Texas,
do you I'm sure you've talked about it. I know
you've talked about it on five four. I heard you
talk about it on five four. Yeah, but can you
talk about kind of what what that experience was like
has been like.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You know, it was it was it was super crazy.
It was super crazy. It was really quite random, you know,
if people kind of followed this of course, you know,
like things like the student encampment movement and that kind
of like tactic of protests on campuses was really intense
and widespread over the spring at UT. On the day
(08:04):
that I was arrested, there wasn't even a student encampment.
It was just students gathering for like, you know, a
teaching and some art activities and talking about the genocide.
And yes, State of Texas through ut basically just called
the cops on this crowd, called the cops on a
bunch of kids standing on standing on the lawn at
their school. So yeah, I got arrested there. It was
(08:27):
really it was. It was so wild. You know, it's
hard to like derive really like any like strong lessons
out of it, like about the law or something like that,
because it's just like, no, the lesson is like the
state will call in cops to beat up some kids
(08:47):
if they don't like what you're saying, right, Like, that's
that's kind.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Of it, and we'll rescue and do and do violence
regardless of whether you respond, you know, do respond to
what they're telling you to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, all for exercising your first Amendment.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Exactly, exactly, Yeah, kind of like I guess I learned
the wrong first Amendment in law school, but something different
than what the uh than what state troopers in Texas learned,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I like that they weren't ready on the
day of the actual protests, so they were like, that's
not going to work for us, but there are people here,
so can we just like kind of go through with this.
I already have like the shit on me, like I
have all the got on. I brought a huge but
comfortable and I.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Also brought thirty massive horses. So can I just let
loose on these nineteen year olds or what? You know?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's right? All right, Well, I'm sorry you went through that,
but thank you for your courage in the face of
state violence and you know, just fucking the ongoing horrors
of this civilization we live in. We are going to
talk a little bit about the Supreme Court with you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Another horror, another horror.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Specifically, I want to talk about Trump the United States.
I knew this was bad when it happened. I didn't
really get how bad it was until listening to five
four the Supreme Court decision that was basically like we
have King now. Yeah. I know, I know you thought
(10:33):
that was like one of the founding things. No, we
have King now, So yeah, I want to talk about that.
I also want to talk about the first episode of
five to four was about Bush v. Gore throwback, throw
way back, but it's I know, it turns out I
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don't know. I've been thinking a lot about that lately,
just because it feels like the the Trump or the
Trump campaign is gearing up to try to do another
election where the Supreme Court determines who won the election.
So we'll talk about that, and we might get to
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Navajo water rights, which another recent opinion where written by
none other than Brett Kavanaugh, just fucking killing it. Just
what a Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You don't even need Trump for that kind of evil. Yeah,
turned out the Court is delivering doling out those decisions
with or without the Trump as president.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, can do bad all on their own.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Before we get to all of that, we do like
to get to know you a little bit better by
asking what is something from your search history that's realing
about who you are?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, search history right now is a lot of used cars,
and you know what, I know we're going to go
into underrated and overrated and this is this is this
is very much connected. So right now used cars, I'm
looking at how much is how much is a Honda
Civic going for these days? How much is a how
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much is a Kia Soul? You know, yeah, so that's
the search history really stacked with used cars right now?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Are you in the market for one? Well, nope, curious.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Should I go ahead and tell you my underrated I
think so? Yeah, so underrated rip twenty fourteen Kia Soul,
one thousand miles on it. It served me so well.
Salute the twenty fourteen Kia Soul because she died.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
She died just last week.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Thank you, Michael, Michael Wizza. I know, I know listeners
at home think Justin is piping that in from an
actual military funeral, But no, that is our very on
Kaitlin Durante revealing themselves to be the this generations. Michael Winslow.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, so underrated. Is that beautiful Hamster car, the Kia Soul.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah that was the Okay, that was the Hamster car.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh yeah, what a swing image, what a big swing
and she did so much for me.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, The car commercials have been the same for the
past twenty years. They have been, for the most part,
a glamour shots of the car driving through a for
whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The windiest road that's ever happened.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Completely depopulated landscape for some reason. Yeah and yeah, they
were just like what if we like some fun giant
human sized hamsters. Yeah, just fucking speeding around on.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
This camster's in close and also like dancing to the
beat of an LMFAO song. Yeah, and that was That
was the Kia Soul marketing plan.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It worked. It clearly worked. It clearly worked. And you
know what, it was a good car. I'll say it.
I'm brave and the twenty fourteen Kia Soul is one
of the best cars ever made. Well, maybe maybe I'm
feeling sentimental.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know, twenty fourteen. That's a good run for a
car ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Not crazy, but
it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah. Is that one of those cars that got in
before everything became computerized?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like the word Yeah, no, no, it didn't. By the end,
it didn't even have bluetooth.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, it doesn't have a My car doesn't have a
backup camera. So I'm using my note. I'm swiveling my
head around like a peasant. Yeah, I'm trying to back up.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
No camera, no.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Layness, nothing. No, it was a It was a car
in the in the in the real in the real
sense of the word, a car. Not a computer, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, fuck your computer on musk.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Your computer on wheels.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, fucker fucking drive around in my iPad out of here.
What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
All right? This one also quite close to home. I
think you know it's overrated getting a full set, getting
your nails done, having ten beautiful, gorgeous, brand new acrylics.
You know why, because it's been so long since I've
gotten my nails done that I have one thumb acrylic left,
and I've just been rocking that for for weeks at
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this point, and I am, Yeah, I'm telling myself it's
because it's overrated to have a fresh, beautiful, sparkly new set.
I'm doing just fine with my one thumb acrylic nail.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I personally would assume that was intentional.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Thank you the way that like, Okay, let me tell
me how much of this I have? Correct? Is it
like people who do cocaine they leave a long, pinky nail. Yeah,
it's like that, but different, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, glamorous.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So is it the only long nail on your hand?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, that's the only one I got. Oh yeah, because
the other ones, the ones are sure, Yeah, they fall
off or they break so you take it off or whatever.
And then so here I am with just just one
and nine nine short little nubbies.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I agree that it's I like, I've never gotten acrylics
at all. I get a manicure once every ten years, roughly,
I've had like three in my life.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I mean, if that's what if that's what people want
to do and that's how you want to spend your money,
go for it. But I'm just like, what if though
my shitty three dollars nail polish that I apply myself badly,
what if that and then and is great at Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
For that as well, you know I generally, Yeah, what
I'm u with this one nail is doing to my
psyche is that you know, I'm a Texas girly. You know,
it's a big hair, it's a lashes, it's a nail
lifestyle and a clic set, full set lifestyle. And so yeah,
these past few weeks, you know, I got arrested, I
(17:38):
have my my my life is maybe summed up in
h I just have this one acrylic nail holding on
for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's a beautiful metaphor.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I think having ten nails done. Now, now that
I've seen your one nail, I think ten nails done
is corny.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah hard? Why do all your nails match? What the
is that? That's unnatural? Yeah, And thumb definitely preferable to
pinky finger. I feel like, yeah, finger, although you could
probably pull it off, I don't think I could pull
off one really long pinky finger.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think, yeah, thumb, it's the it's the whatever, it's
the digit that sets us apart from the rest of
the animal kingdom. Yeah, so I'm just like accentuating.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It, Yeah, rubbing it in the animal kingdom's face.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You go to your cat and you say, oh, do
you have opposable thumbs? No, well look at this.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh sorry, you couldn't catch that. I first got all right,
let's take a quick break, and then we're going to
come back and talk about the Supreme Court. Oh no,
oh no, this is going to be so awkward. And
(19:10):
we're back, and we're back, and we're back and Trump v.
United States? Is that how we pronounce that? We pronounced
the verses as V.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, in the realm of Supreme the supremes.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, So a lot of people have talked about how
scary the prospect of trumps next Trump presidency is in
the context of Project twenty twenty five, and they are right. Yes, However,
this ruling is just straight up feels like the Supreme
Court intervening on behalf of Donald Trump to say he
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can do whatever he wants, like including I feel like
everything he did in the first in his first presidency,
right yeah, Like they're just like, yeah, he's the president,
he can do all of that shit. Like if January
sixth happened with this being the law, the only thing
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he did wrong really was not make it a military coup.
If he had used the military, then that would have
been okay, in line with this ruling, because then that's
part that's him using his official capacity as president.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So, like the question here is like, okay,
when do presidents get immunity? And like, well, you have
to step back and think, like why why is there
such a concept in the law of presidential immunity? And
it's because you want the president, you want certain government
officials to like be able to do some stuff that
the normal person wouldn't be able to do. You already
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talked about like leading the military, the president's commander in chief, Like,
you know, you order the military to do some stuff,
there's going to be consequences that for me to order
somebody to do that, that would be a crime, right,
But we want the president to be able to do it.
That's why there's presidential immunity. And so the way courts
in the past have like decided, like what does where
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does presidential immunity lie is if basically is if the
president is doing an official act, right, if it's an
act that the president is doing, because the president is
the president, right, so you know you could you can
hold them legally accountable for doing something. Yes, they're the president,
but they're not doing an official act. So you know,
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the president the president, and I get an offender bender,
you know, six blocks from my house, Yeah, I would
be able to sue the president. He's not doing his
presidential duties in rear ending my car, you.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Know, yes, but especially he kind of fucked up your
twenty fourteen right, Yes he should be he must pay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But yeah, So in this case, the Supreme Court, this
is a majority decision written by John Roberts, basically says,
if you're the president, almost anything you do is gonna
be an.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Official acting for treason?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yes, yes, yeah. What's so so wild is what the
Supreme Court says is or what the majority the majority,
let's be real, the hyper conservative six maniacs.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, but John Roberts is the middle of the road
guy who was gonna save us all I thought, let.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
This pass, Supreme Court term be the death of that idea.
This we we've got Roberts on decisions all over the
place where he is like articulating a frankly psychotic conservative
vision of the law and of the constitution. This guy
is not a moderate. Please stop saying that. You know, yeah,
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so yeah, this in in this case, they're saying like, yeah,
basically everything is a presidential official act because you know,
we can't decide whether something is official conduct or unofficial
conduct by looking at by inquiring into like the president's motives. Right,
So that means like it doesn't matter for what purpose
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the president does something. It doesn't matter how self interested,
it doesn't matter how violent, as long as it's like
draped in the shroud of the presidential office, then the
Supreme Court says, the president is insulated from prosecution. Right,
So it's like kind of like I think Peter said
this on the on the on the episode that we
did about this case. But he's like, Okay, if if
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basically like if the office of the presidency is like
a gun, what the court said here is that when
you become the president, you gain the completely unfettered right
to use that gun however you want. It doesn't matter
who you shoot at, it doesn't matter why, it doesn't
matter you know how you abuse that access to the gun,
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right right, the only thing that matters is it's your gun.
It's an official act, and so you you are immune
from prosecution for any criminal acts that you do with
that gun. Right. Yes, it's it's really really really it's
really wild. Yeah, and like you said at the beginning,
like we have we're doing monarchy now.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And if Trump gets back in the White House, it
feels like he's going, I mean, he's going to really
explore the studio space with this Like this is like
it feels like it's like a like a request, like
a band that's doing a request for somebody, Like he's like,
could you play this one?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like it's really a dare, Like I dare you just
to test the limits of this limitless power.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Question mark. Yeah, there are limitations, Like I think you
guys brought up like the president doesn't have the right
to regulate emissions or force federal employees to be vaccinated.
Those are executive powers like a Democrat might use, but
he has the green light to orchestrate a coup and
subvert an election.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a little bit different,
but it is related. Like it's a good point, but
like it's a little bit different because this is about
criminal prosecution, right, so right, but yeah, it's like saying like, yeah,
there are other areas of the law that are going
to like rein in executive power, rein in the administrative state.
Oh no, you can't do that. No you can't, you can't.
You know, the EPA can't say as part of a
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presidential administration that EPA can't you know, regulate waterways in
this way because all of our waterways are polluted and
water is poisoned in the US. No no, no, no no,
that's like a that's too much power, right, but all
these crimes, you can definitely do that. And what's crazy,
you know you brought up like okay, like the next
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a next Trump term he's gonna really be trying this
stuff out and really empowered by this crazy decision. And
that's true. I mean, like the decision itself is not
just saying like, oh, yeah, in general, you're getting carte blanche,
although it does say that, but it is about specific
acts that Trump took leading up to and on January sixth, Right,
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and so you know that, you know, the accusation that
Trump like leveraged the Department of Justice right to like
open sham investigations or to threaten sham investigations into voter
fraud so that states would be like coerced into changing
their electors. He also threatened to fire the acting Attorney
General for not cooperating with that. Like that's those are
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the specific accusations that Trump or anybody else could be
criminally prosecuted for. And you know, the Supreme Court John
robertson this decision says, well't no, that's like part of
being that's just part of the office.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, he's the president. Yeah, of course he's going to fire.
Like remember how big a deal it was when he
fired Komy. We were like, holy shit, we have entered
and then he like went on that lesser Holt interview,
and I was like, yeah, I didn't really like that
he was looking into me, so I you know, it
was like, oh my god, we've like entered a new
(27:17):
world where he's just going to try and get away
with it. And now the Supreme Court's like, yeah, no,
that's like totally fine. What yeah, like shut the fuck up,
stop complaining.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Everything, right, right, And so if you can like misuse
abuse your power with like ordering the DOJ to do
illegal sham shit, right, then yeah, in the second term,
like that you there's really no telling And and the
Court said, yeah, it's not just this stuff for which
(27:48):
he's immune, it's also like, here's how you think about
these cases in the future. And again that's just like
if it's connected to the office of the presidency, if
it's you know, just kind of draped in this, if
if he can say I did this in my capacity
as the president, then yeah, he's immune from criminal prosecution
for anything that comes out of that.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And it really felt like a broad and unapologetic collusion
between like the Supreme Court and Trump, like they delayed
the ruling for him and then found even more strongly
for him than what he was seeking. Yeah, it's just
(28:29):
like now, in retrospect, I think we're having a hard
time getting our mind around just like how off the
rails this has gone. Like no, yeah, yeah, just listening
back to like earlier episodes of your show, of like
any show like from before this, you know, like when
I remember being like, oh, I'm coming back from a
(28:52):
trip with my family on July eleventh, so that'll be
like when Trump is sentenced, so we'll find that out
then like that's just gone. It's like the worst case
scenario was like him not seeing jail time, and now
we're just like, oh no, actually, maybe what he did
is legal. Maybe like he's not a felon because because
(29:14):
the supremeor Court is like he can do whatever the
fuck he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Everybody absolutely, yeah, no, it's super crazy, like the yeah,
like the discourse was about like you know, I never
thought Trump was going to see prison time, right, but
it was like okay, like maybe he would be like
on house arrest for like a couple of weeks or something,
and then he's just like on probation and like that
would be crazy and ha ha ha highway, like the
(29:40):
Secret Service has to go with him on community service day,
you know, right, you.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Know erased all that, and he is king, yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
He's going to be ca yeah yeah, Well, and he's
like he's like explicitly saying this.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He's saying, like, if you vote for me, you're never
gonna have to vote. Yeah, Like he's ready to just
post up and be like I can't commit a crime.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like yeah, we're good here, he's done donezo Yeah. Yeah.
Really feels like we'll never get him out of office
the if he wins this time and yeah, in the
next act, I want to talk about how I like
it feels like he's specifically signaling that this is his plan.
(30:30):
Is like his ace in the hole is that he
has like the Supreme Court on his side, or at
least a lot of judges and election officials. But the
day that this came down, he was like, we should
be thinking about prosecuting Liz Cheney for treason, like he knows, Yeah,
he's ready to use this power. Yeah, Like the the
(30:53):
DJ is like is his gun now he is going
to be able to do the thing that he was
joking about joking in quotes, but like clearly you know
has always wanted to do, which is like shoot someone
in the middle of fifth Avenue and like get away
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, exactly. He's like, it's like not that far off
from what he's been talking about right for for years now,
and it's just about like him. That's that's what's so
dangerous about a Trump administration in terms of things like
Project twenty twenty five, all all of that that comes
with it, is we've already seen it in a first
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Trump term, that he installs the people who allow him
to do this, right, who build up, who changed laws,
who interpret laws, so that when he has power, he
can do exactly what he's saying he wants to do
with it, you know. And so like you know, from
our from from my perspective, like watching the Supreme Court,
(31:55):
you know, you always have to go back to Trump
had three nominations to the Supreme Court. Yeah, got them,
you know, got all three confirmed. And you know, you
just have to be real, I think, you know, like
legal analysts, political analysts, all of that kind of thing,
you have to be real that Trump installed those three
(32:17):
people for very specific reasons, right, One which they've been
super upfront about and which they already achieved, was overturning
Roe v.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Wade.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
He put those three conservatives because he knew those three
conservatives would vote that way, right, and now with that
like kind of it's very direct, like a quid pro quo,
like I put you on the court to do X,
Y Z, and here we go this like crazy conservative
super majority. They're ready to do it. They're they're yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
They're doing it more than really Yeah, they're X Y
and Z ing it exactly do we it does? You're right,
it does feel like this has been a plan all along.
I was wondering, like because John Roberts had been more
like he hadn't been this out and out like right
wing crazy, had he? Or am I was I just
(33:09):
like not paying attention. It's entirely possible. I wasn't paying attention.
But like it feels like I don't know that like
Brett Cavanaugh got in there and he's just like a
bad influence on everyone or something like it just feels
like it's like a total it's taken a real turn.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think that's right. Like John Roberts has always been
a conservative, Like he's always hated things like voting rights,
you know, like there his legal career before he was
ever a judge, like shows a lot of his a
lot of super conservative positions on a lot of things.
I think this past term might show us, the past
couple of terms at the Supreme Court might show us
(33:46):
maybe maybe two things. One is that John Roberts now
is the Chief Justice presiding over cases at the Supreme
Court where the Overton window has shifted dramatically. Like the
cases now being decided are not like, Okay, what's this
little tiny what's this little tiny tweak that we could
(34:10):
make in the conservative direction on Roe v.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Wade?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right, Yeah, but it's like literally like is the president
immune from criminal prosecution when the president does crimes?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And so it's like the conservative, the hyper conservative inside
of John Roberts can totally jump out because because the
cases in front of the Supreme Court right now are
on issues that are just wildly, wildly conservative, right, So
there doesn't have to be the appearance of like the
questions they're answering within those questions, there doesn't have to
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be this kind of like sham appearance of like moderation, right,
or sort of institutional legitimacy from the Court that John
Roberts was like kind of using as a tactic in
in years prior. Right, Yeah, And I think another thing too,
is that John Roberts and the rest of the Conservatives
(35:08):
on the Supreme Court, and everybody on the Supreme Court
is a human being who is influenced by the political
moment and media and you know, shifts in popular opinion
and shifts and development in conservative thought just like everybody else's.
And so you know Fox News is writing is rotting
(35:30):
their brains too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, there, you can absolutely tell that they're just mainlining
fucking Jesse Waters and yeah, oh yeah, I mean in
the case of Alito As we'll get to fucking like
Q conspiracies. But yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean,
this is how fascism happens, right, Like the rule of
(35:53):
law is not like it's not like fascists come in
and just like say no more Supreme Court. It's exactly
the rule of law. I think it was said on
five to four by Peter Like, the rule of law
is whatever fascists need it to be in a given moment.
Yea's inconsistent, but it is. You know, they will use
(36:14):
it like a cudgel, you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Know, exactly, yeah, exactly, we're talking. I mean, and there's
so many cases from this past term that show that
you know, I think when we were talking about like
fascism and the rule of law and that kind of thing.
That was probably on our episode about Snyder, which is
the case about like bribery, like bribing elected officials, where
the Supreme Court said, like, hmm, well, actually you know this,
(36:36):
this check that a trucking company gave to the mayor
of this Oregon city for thirteen thousand dollars for awarding
that trucking company trucking contracts. That's not bribery, Like yeah,
and that's exactly like you know, all of these cases
like on their own, you're like, oh, that's fucked up.
Oh that's another fucked up decision, But when you see
(36:57):
them all together and you really like what the Supreme
Court is doing, like that is the overarching goal is
about ushering in right a legal order where these conservatives
are in charge. These conservatives are the ones saying what
the law is, and they will always use that to
they will always use that to like reach the results
(37:18):
that they want for their policy preferences, for that vision
they have for the world.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
And whoever has the most money becomes the most powerful exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Totally, because you know, if Trump becomes president again. Uh,
and he exercises this ability to commit crimes with is
God given king, right, Yeah, the Supreme Court will just
be like, Yep, we ruled that that was the choice,
and that's great and good, do whatever you need to do, buddy.
(37:49):
Versus if not Trump is elected and then that person
tries to commit crimes, I feel like the Supreme Court
would be like, well, in this case, actually no own blah,
like there's no objectivity.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, no. And you see the tools that they use, right, So,
like they put like the appearance of legal analysis and
they say, well, like, well, you got to decide first
if something is an official act or an unofficial act, right,
And so you see that they're like building in the
tools that they're going to use to reach the completely
opposite result when they don't like the president who's doing
(38:26):
the acts.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So in the future, what they can say as well, no,
that wasn't you know, if let's say Kamala wins, right, Well, no,
Kamala wasn't doing an official act as part of the
office of the presidency. That was an unofficial act, and
you don't get presidential immunity for unofficial acts, right, So
it's all about just like recognizing like the law isn't
like a mathematical equation where you go two plus two
(38:50):
and you know what the result is going to be. Like,
the law is a tool. It's a political tool, and
that's what these conservatives on the Supreme Court are using
it as.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Right, They're like deliberately building in loopholes that they can
exploit for whatever agenda they want carry out.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, so the Biden can't actually do Supreme Court reform right?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Is how do you think about the Supreme Court reform
that Biden has very just very cautiously hinted at wanting
to explore like it is obviously he probably doesn't have
the time to do it. Left, But is he at
least like looking in the right direction? Is he at
(39:33):
least starting the right conversations.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's absolutely in it's absolutely looking in the right direction
and starting the right conversations. You know, it was looking
in the right direction and starting the right conversations, you
know four years ago when he ran on a platform
of court reform, and when he took the presidency and
struck the Biden Commission on Supreme Court Reform had people lawyers, judges,
(39:59):
law professors from quote unquote both sides of the Aisle
come together and talk about where necessary court reform could
take place, how it could take place, what it would entail.
Biden and the Democrats I think are speaking to that
at least, at the very least giving lip service if
you're kind of cynical like I am, because they know
(40:20):
that actually it's publicly quite popular, like people know right
now that the Supreme Court is super fucked up and
that there needs to be court reform, and so yeah,
the Democratic Party will kind of throw that out that
they're willing and able to look at it, and and
you know, want to get the conversation started and that
kind of thing. So yeah, the conversation, Yeah, it needs
(40:40):
to be started and should have been started. And I
think it's about like demanding that like the reforms actually happen.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
There was just a really intense earthquake in California.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh my god, we are okay, yeah, yeah, justin Victor,
everybody okay, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Shook my house still pretty hard?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Oh it's still going. Still feeling like.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Victor died, reported that he died. I'm sorry, Victor, Oh
my god. Well hope everybody listening also, okay, listening a
day in the future. All right, let's uh take a
quick break to gather ourselves to just steady, steady our
(41:27):
our quakings and quaking hearts, and we'll come back to
talk about how the Supreme Court might We've already talked
about how if Trump gets elected, we're fucked. Let's talk
about how the Supreme Court can help get him elected.
We'll be right back and we're back. And Donald Trump, yes,
(42:03):
have you heard about this? He has been talking a
lot about the Georgia Election Board and how much they're
fighting the good fight. Basically, they got like three mega
people on a board of five and they're they just
want to do everything they can to fuck with the
(42:26):
process and get in the way of certification if Donald
Trump doesn't win. This past weekend, they ordered an investigation
into the twenty twenty results. They're going back to that one. Also,
there was that great New York Times article about like
Trump's challenging three months by Haberman and co. Where they
(42:47):
were like all his big mega donors like had a
meeting with him where they're like, okay, like how are
we going to change the messaging on this? And he
was like Okay, First of all, we need to stop
the steal. Still talking about the twenty twenty election, the
fuck but anyways, he's still stuck on that. But given
(43:08):
what we know about the state of the Supreme Court
following Trump the United States, I feel like there's no
doubt that they would cooperate in an attempt to fuck
with the certification the counting of votes if there's any
chance that they can do it. And this has made
(43:30):
me think a lot about like one of the first
political moments that I remember, which is the election between
Al Gore and George W. Bush, which is what the
first episode of five to four is about. Yeah, and
it is straight up the Supreme Court being a five
to four conservative majority determining the two thousand election. Yeah,
(43:55):
along partisan lines, based on nothing so much as like, yeah,
that's who we want to win.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Do people need a refresher?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I do?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I think people like really forget. I mean, you know,
we're we're all pretty young. I was in eighth grade
during the two thousand elections, so like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Even know what I think really, yeah, thirty eighty year
I was born in nineteen nineteen. I just forgot how
numbers worked.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
For a second.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I was born in eighty six, Yes, okay, I was.
I was maybe I was a freshman or oh, I
don't know. I was some age around.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I was in my mid fifties, but I just hadn't
paid attention to politics before then. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So I learned more about this case in law school,
and it is it's so wild, and it's so wild
to harken back and be like, oh, okay, so the
exact same thing could happen.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, So George W. Bush al Gore running for president,
it came down to Florida. Whoever won Florida was going
to win the presidency, right, Like, literally neither one of
them had enough electoral votes. You had to get Florida,
and Florida was contested.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So because of the chads, the hanging chads.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
There, Yes, it was hanging chads. It was all kinds
of issues with counting the votes in Florida.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
So Jalo's jokes about hanging chads is what got me
interested in comedy in the first place. That's there's so
many good ones. You heard about this.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So what happened was now Florida did get called for Bush. Right,
the Florida division of elections, like called Florida for Bush.
But the thing was is that the margin of victory
was so low, it was less than two thousand votes,
which put that in according to Florida state law said
that there needed to be a mandatory recount. Right, So
(45:49):
there was this machine recount and that came back again
with Bush winning, but it was by even fewer votes, right,
it was like three hundred votes. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Then the counting system is not accurate, right.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Right, like, and that sometimes at the margins, right, Like
a recount does need to happen.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So you're like, so Bush won, and they were like, right, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
So what happened? You know, when the machine recount showed
that like Bush had won maybe by something like three
hundred votes total in the entire state, the Gore campaign
requested a manual recount in some of these counties, right,
and then the litigation was off to the races. Right,
That's where the court cases went cuckoo. It was in
(46:36):
Florida State court. It went up to the Supreme Court.
The Florida Supreme Court ordered a state wide manual recount. Okay,
no more machines across the state. Every county recount your
votes by hand, we need to figure out how many
votes each candidate got. Okay, seems reasonable, right, Florida Supreme
(46:56):
Court like, let's just do a recount, you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Everybody's vote gets count right, exactly, Let's actually count the votes. Maybe,
like that's that was the that was the right, right,
And so what did the Bush campaign do?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
The Bush campaign challenged that order for a recount. They
challenged it at the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court
took the case and they granted a stay, meaning they
were saying, stop the recount until we fully decide. And
Justice antonin Scalia ultra conservative. Yeah, psycho, one of the worst. Yeah,
(47:36):
one of the absolute worst. At the time he wrote
that they were granting the Supreme Court of the United
States was granting the stay like saying, no, no, we
really need to pause the recount and take this seriously
because there's a threat of irreparable harm on the Bush campaign.
If there is always like this shroud of like like
(47:58):
a question that maybe Bush's win isn't legitimate if they
do the recount like that, that would be irreparable harm. And
the other justices there were liberal justices who were like,
how would it be irreparable harm if we count all
the votes.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
And determine the actual legitimate outcome of the election.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yes, exactly. It starts from the premise that we want
Bush to win already, and so that would because but
it's going to be so harmful to his legitimacy if
he doesn't win the election, Yes, then people won't even
let him be president.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
It was.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That crazy. So then the Supreme Court considered the whole
case and they decided that the Florida Supreme Court was
wrong when they ordered this statewide recount because it would
be impossible for Florida to do it fairly because each
county in Florida. Here's the hanging Chad's issue. Each county
(48:58):
in Florida had different men thids of counting, right like,
each county election board had a different system for counting.
The Supreme Court said that would be unfair, So we're
not going to do a recount. No recount. Now forget that.
They could have ordered the same recount method across the
counties to fix that problem. They could, Yes, exactly, they
(49:22):
could have said that. They're like, nope, no, we can't. Actually,
this would be super super unfair. It would It would
violate equal protection of the laws.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So and it would hurt recount George W. Bush's feelings.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Can we not take that into account? It will hurt right.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
So that's the story of bushby gored Like it really
is that kind of like boldly political, boldly partisan. It is.
It was at the time the five Conservatives on the
Supreme Court being like, m we want Bush to win.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, so I took the l SAT at one point,
very whoa dag, Yeah, that's right, I did.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Okay, okay, here I am over here with the amasly
master's degree in screenwriting from Elliston University. You know what
never mentioned I've never taken the l SAT.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
No, you know what the real brag is is that
Jack took the l SAT but then didn't go to
law school. That's actually the flex.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Right walked my way out of it by that time, fortunately,
But like there's a whole logic section on that test
where you're supposed to be able to like suss out
the arguments, and the idea is that the legal system
is based on logical arguments, and their logical argument for
(50:52):
this finding that determined the presidency of the United States,
like didn't it doesn't make any sense, like on a
surface level, like in a you can't explain it in
one sentence, you can't explain it in a thousand sentences.
But yeah, so this is what the Supreme Court is.
(51:13):
Like the Supreme Court, yes, is it claims to be
like these balls and strikes, impartial philosopher kings and queens
who will you know, just that they're just there to
like call it like it has no political influence and
they are just increasingly an apparatus of the Republican Party
(51:38):
in a way that is really fucking scary, scary, And
so that's right, Jason Vorhees is back. So like you
could say, like, yeah, but that was a unique situation
where like there was this recount and everything was very strange.
(52:00):
But we have like one of the Supreme Court justices
seems to be on the like Q, Like Samuel Alito
was flying a upside down American flag in the immediate
like on January sixth, or like right after.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Like yeah, on inauguration day, right, yeah, Biden's inauguration day.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, for their life bought in on the like the
big lie, He's fully bought in on, Like I'm pretty
sure he has to be like reading Q, shit like,
and so I I don't think they're going to necessarily
need things to be as fucked up as they got
(52:43):
in Florida to intervene this time around, because Trump already
seems to be like openly working with election officials to
like throw things into chaos like the way he was
trying to do the last time around. Yeah, so yeah,
I don't know, Like what are your thoughts on that, Like,
(53:06):
do you think there's a way for them to without
the initial controversy of like, man, this was so close
in Florida and they designed the ballots like at random,
just randomly designed them, So like, do you think there's
a way for them to get involved and give it
(53:26):
turn the election towards Trump without something like that?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah? There are there are plenty of ways, And it's
like I don't think it's the.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Most legitimately hoping you were like, well not really.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
No, no, no, there are shaloada ways. No, there are
shaload a ways. And I don't even think it's about
like necessarily predicting the specific way that it'll happen in
this election. You know, from the vantage point of August twelfth,
August thirteenth, twenty twenty four. But the point is, and
I think Bush by Gore is the really good example
because it's like that was also unforeseen. Right. You couldn't
(54:02):
you couldn't have seen you couldn't have foreseen that, like
hanging chads in two counties in Florida were going to
you know, put into question, you know, a few thousand votes, right.
But it was about installing a system and apparatus, in
this case, a legal one, right, that would be ready primed, right,
(54:26):
political and biased in a specific way, so that when
that issue came before them, right, the decision making power
was with people who you know, were primed to come
out a certain way. And that's the same thing with Trump. Right,
This Supreme Court has six maniacs on it. This is
not six, right, Like we think about the Supreme Court
(54:47):
as like we say this all the time. It's got
to be you know, these are the smartest best lawyers
judges in the country. Right, it is not true, sam Alito,
I would guess, Sam al you know it's not even
it's not just Fox News. He's watching o An, he's
watching the crazy shit on YouTube. Right, yeah, and uh
(55:11):
exactly and elsewhere, right, I mean four years ago Clarence Thomas,
another one, another absolutely cuckoo psycho. Right, his wife Jenny
Thomas putting out that, like, you know, the bidens were
gonna be like imprisoned on a barge at Guantanamo, right,
like this is not this is this? These are these
(55:35):
are yeah, conspiracy theory, rabidly conservative, quite violent in their
world vision. Right, these are the types of conservatives who
are on the Supreme Court, you know, just like the
crazy just like your local crazy Republican politician from whatever
county who you know runs on a platform of uh,
(55:58):
disgustingly like anti trus anti immigrant, right like that. You
have to have to we have to understand conceive of
Supreme Court justices also as a kind of politician, and
they have those same biases, They have those same foundations
from which their politics are born out of. They just
also know how to speak in legalise. Right. So for Trump,
(56:20):
it'll be whatever situation comes up, Trump is saying, I'm
gonna ensure chaos in this situation, I'm going to ensure
chaos in these in this election and in whatever procedures
there are, so that whatever issue it might be that
gets teed up for the Supreme Court. Yeah, John Roberts
and the rest of those nasty losers. They're they're ready
(56:42):
for it. They're gonna do yeah whatever he wants.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, well, we'll all be out in the streets protesting
after that. And if you want to see how will
all be treated, just look at the protests in favor
of Palestine.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, And maybe uh that's why I was like, wow,
people really are not giving a fuck about these students
and willing to just let this, let the mainstream media
just discount them and be like, well we heard one
person who wasn't a student say something anti semitic, So.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Right, right, that's the thing. That's the thing that every
you know, you have to that's the thing that everybody
has to realize. Like when you you know, when you
accept it for somebody else, yeah, you are accepting it
to happen to you too, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
It's uh yeah, So I don't know. The one thing
I've heard people throw out is like, well, Biden now
has these powers of monarch, supreme monarch, can't he do
something like present Supreme Court please something?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
I mean, what's so crazy is like the solutions, Caitlin,
Like you're talking about like court reform, like it's actually
not even illegal. You know, gonna have to have presidential
immunity to do it, Like we just have to have
like political will, like just fucking.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Just do something, yea, do something.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Here's some brilliant joke. I've been trying to legend this
whole conversation the Supreme Court more like the Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
There it is, and it is, this whole conversation.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah, summed up.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, we're going to change the name of our podcast
to Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, more Likepreme Court. And you're all welcome. Well Rihann
and what a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Hey, it's always a blast. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Well you can follow at five to four pod all
spelled out for following the podcast. Also at Popular Cradle
for my new podcast that's about Palestine, Palestinian resistance and history,
all that kind of good stuff. I am on Twitter
not so much, but I'm there at a wa rhiannon
(59:02):
aa is a y w A. So yeah, we're we're
out here, all right.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Australian break dancing at the line.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yes, yes, that's right, and I've been a fan since
way back. I knew of ray Gun's work coming in
and Ygun is excited for the world.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
To Raygun and I came up at about the same
time Raygun, I'm regun.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, we we go way back.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, that's right. Beautiful, Oh my god, what a well
that was. That was a lot of fun, like also bad,
like for any breakdancers who didn't get to go to
the Olympics, and I feel that for break dancing on
the other hand, holy ship to.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
See a woman fail upwards from you.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, Caitlin, Where can people find you? Is there a
work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I'm mostly on Instagram these days at Kaitlyn Durrante. You
can sign up for screenwriting classes that I'm teaching using
that aforementioned but never mentioned screenwriting Master's degree that I have.
But yeah, I'm teaching online screenwriting classes. You can find
information about those on my website kaitlindurante dot com slash classes.
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I have a couple starting in mid September, so check
those out. You can listen to my podcast, The Bechdel Cast,
that I co host with Jamie loftis where we examine
movies through and through an intersectional feminist lens, and a
piece of media that I've been enjoying because I know
you're gonna ask, oh my god, wait, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I know you figure out that is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
There's something spooky foot the piece of me. I just
saw Kneecap yesterday. It's the movie kind of biopic, but
I think a lot of it is fictionalized about the
Irish rap group also called Kneecap, that is, through their music,
trying to preserve the Irish language. And it's a really
(01:01:18):
fun movie and it's very funny and I liked it
a lot. So everyone check out Kneecap in a theater
near you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
That's fun like like Gaelic, yeah, like oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
People still don't speak it. It turns out I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
They're lying.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
They're just making vaguely Irish sounds. You can find me
on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying
was from John Levenstein, who, upon watching Olympic volleyball, tweeted,
if I were on a volleyball team that huddled after
every point, I would start to get irritated and say
(01:01:58):
I've got nothing new for you. You guys, It's like
I always wonder, like, what the fuck are they saying
in there after every single Yeah, it's just like I
don't know, guys the same ship every time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
We do need the touch. Everybody needs to, like athletes
need to touch each other. Apparently they perform better. Anyways,
you can find me. It's a contact sport in more
ways than one. The contact, heart on heart contact is
really what it's about. You can find me on Twitter
at Jack Underscore O Brian. You can find us on
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Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram,
we have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily
zei gast dot com where we post our episodes and
our footnotes where we like to the information that we
talked about in today's episode as well as that really
threw me for some reason. It's good. It's very well done.
It's never been done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Before, so I didn't innovate that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, that was really well done. I'm gonna have to
tell Miles about that. Yeah, you do it. We also
like to lack off to a song that we think
you might enjoy. With Miles being out, we always like
to ask super producer Justin Connor if there is a
song that he's been enjoying that he would like to recommend.
Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Yeah, if you love two thousands and nineties R and B,
this will really make you smile, the kind of warm nostalgia.
This is a track called Strange Things by Double. It's
a simple love song from two thousand and two, but
it switches between Japanese and English language singing and it
sounds like if SWV or three LW spent some time
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in Japan, became fluent in the language and just sang
their hearts out. So this is Strange Things by Double
and you can find that song in the footnotes footnotes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
The Daily Zeit Guys is the production of by Heart Radio.
For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio Wrap,
Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
That's going to do it for us this morning, back
this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk
to you all then. Bye bye bye
What's up, Rannon?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
How's they going?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's going on? I'm down the Jersey Shore, so it's
gonna be a lot of.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That every.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Coming to laundry GTL down the Shore.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
YO, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point
fifty one, Episode two of Dardilly's gust a production of iHeartRadio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August thirteenth,
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twenty twenty four, Tuesday the thirteenth, famously Spooky. My name is,
of course the Spooky Friday, the thirteenth ghost who coprom
surrounding goes woo Jason Board He's famous line, Yes, my name's.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Jack O'Brien aka JJ Redrick tracking down the tweet JJ
Redrick is water ice, not pee, JJ Redrick.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You don't believe me, but it's the truth. It could
have happened, no to you, not pee. That is courtesy
of halcyon Salad on the Discord, kind of a mashup
reference to a run of rhetoric nicknames that Miles and
I got on last week. For reasons I don't remember.
(01:41):
We hit rhetoric Taylor Drederick Taylor Simpson's reference and of
course JJ Rederick and then also referring to the time
I went on a scary ride at Ocean City's Wonderland
Pier and might have peed my pants. As a full adult,
I might have. I don't. Don't this calls for another
OOO scary That is what I did after I said
(02:05):
oOoOO to try and distract people. I don't know. My
pants were just wet. I don't think I peed my pants,
but everybody else thinks I did. Also update on that
theme park I am down the shore and that dilapidated
amusement park I grew up going to. It's just this
like massive dirty smells, like roller coaster grease. Even though
(02:29):
they shut the Big roller coaster down in nineteen ninety
nine when it killed two people. A few days ago
they announced it has been sold and is shutting down
after like ninety four years in operation. It's what a
shame like. And it's like a I think the owner
of the person who like the landlord, is like a
(02:49):
hotel developer, like a full eighties movie back, trying to
shut down the like the children's dancing the Comunity Center.
Yeah the fuck anyways, rip to Wonderland peer. I will
be taking my kids there tonight and I will not
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be pissing my pants. That is the Jack O'Brian guarantee.
I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat
today by very special co host, talented writer, stand up comedian,
co host of The Bechdel Cast, one of the great
film podcasts. They also happen to have a master's degree
in film. The most anagrammable name in the English language,
(03:31):
so if you've been given their name in a jumble
of out of order scrabble tiles, you may know them
as Lauren d Titanic Latin dancer, Uti nine tit Dracula.
But to us they will always be Caitlin Doronte.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Thank you for having me. I have a new one AKA,
And do I feel silly saying this in front of
such an.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Esteemed guest world. We've already just jumped off the cliff
of good taste, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You're talking about pissing your pants, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I thought that would maybe take the pressure of.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Thank you so much, Okay, Caitlin Dronte aka A rancid
lun tit, A rancid lun tit. Yeah, this is a
new one. I haven't I haven't discovered this one until today.
L u n e l u n e. Which if
you're like, what's that? What's I thought it was l
o o n you know, a bird? Maybe I'm not sure,
(04:34):
but a luon l u n e. Let me just
do a quick.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And of course that is and we all know it, folks,
So I don't know why I'm even having to tell you.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, you know, I just want to get this exactly correct.
It's a crescent shaped figure formed on a sphere or
plane by two arcs intersecting at two points. We all
know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yes, the moonlike crescent. Yes, Caitlyn, the moonlight crescent. Amazing. Well,
it's great to have another Caitlin Durante anagram in the family,
in the zeke loon, in the zeitgeist, and it has
entered the zeitgeist, the rancid lun tit.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Thank you so much, and I would be remiss my
responsibilities as co host today. I have to say that today,
August thirteenth is National Filet Mignon Day. Okay, national is
our International left handers Day. You're left handed, it's your day.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And I was pumping my right hand, but I am
left handed.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay, very good. And then also National Prosecco Day, so
we've got to kind of fancy, you know, prosecco filet
mignon if.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
You're feeling Nazi, fucking fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Have a dinner. I don't think prosecco really goes with
filet mignon. You would have probably a red wine with
with a steak.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
But you know, prosecco is like a non champagne champagne.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, it's champ it's the poor man's champagne.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, sham champagne, but not fully champagne.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's sham champagne.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It is in no way the file mignon of champagne.
It is no no, no, no, no no no, no, no
no no, it is yeah. It's the skirt steak. It's
the the hot dog, the hot dog. Anyways, Caitlin, we
are thrilled to be joined by one of the hosts
of popular Cradle podcast, a podcast about Palestine. Also co
(06:45):
hosts five to four, a podcast about all the ways
the Supreme Court is a fucking disaster. She's a supervising
attorney at Texas Law, has worked as a public defender
in Rio Grande City, Texas and an act of who
got arrested for protesting Israel's ongoing atrocities against Palestine. Please
welcome back to the show, Rihann.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And Hama Me. I didn't prepare any akaa's, but yeah,
I guess that Rihann and hammam aka jailbird. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. You've been arrested since we
last spoke.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's right. Yeah, great to be back.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here. Yeah,
you got arrested protesting on the campus of University of Texas,
do you I'm sure you've talked about it. I know
you've talked about it on five four. I heard you
talk about it on five four. Yeah, but can you
talk about kind of what what that experience was like
has been like.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You know, it was it was it was super crazy.
It was super crazy. It was really quite random, you know,
if people kind of followed this of course, you know,
like things like the student encampment movement and that kind
of like tactic of protests on campuses was really intense
and widespread over the spring at UT. On the day
(08:04):
that I was arrested, there wasn't even a student encampment.
It was just students gathering for like, you know, a
teaching and some art activities and talking about the genocide.
And yes, State of Texas through ut basically just called
the cops on this crowd, called the cops on a
bunch of kids standing on standing on the lawn at
their school. So yeah, I got arrested there. It was
(08:27):
really it was. It was so wild. You know, it's
hard to like derive really like any like strong lessons
out of it, like about the law or something like that,
because it's just like, no, the lesson is like the
state will call in cops to beat up some kids
(08:47):
if they don't like what you're saying, right, Like, that's
that's kind.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Of it, and we'll rescue and do and do violence
regardless of whether you respond, you know, do respond to
what they're telling you to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, all for exercising your first Amendment.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Exactly, exactly, Yeah, kind of like I guess I learned
the wrong first Amendment in law school, but something different
than what the uh than what state troopers in Texas learned,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah. Yeah, I like that they weren't ready on the
day of the actual protests, so they were like, that's
not going to work for us, but there are people here,
so can we just like kind of go through with this.
I already have like the shit on me, like I
have all the got on. I brought a huge but
comfortable and I.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Also brought thirty massive horses. So can I just let
loose on these nineteen year olds or what? You know?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's right? All right, Well, I'm sorry you went through that,
but thank you for your courage in the face of
state violence and you know, just fucking the ongoing horrors
of this civilization we live in. We are going to
talk a little bit about the Supreme Court with you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Another horror, another horror.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Specifically, I want to talk about Trump the United States.
I knew this was bad when it happened. I didn't
really get how bad it was until listening to five
four the Supreme Court decision that was basically like we
have King now. Yeah. I know, I know you thought
(10:33):
that was like one of the founding things. No, we
have King now, So yeah, I want to talk about that.
I also want to talk about the first episode of
five to four was about Bush v. Gore throwback, throw
way back, but it's I know, it turns out I
(10:53):
don't know. I've been thinking a lot about that lately,
just because it feels like the the Trump or the
Trump campaign is gearing up to try to do another
election where the Supreme Court determines who won the election.
So we'll talk about that, and we might get to
(11:15):
Navajo water rights, which another recent opinion where written by
none other than Brett Kavanaugh, just fucking killing it. Just
what a Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You don't even need Trump for that kind of evil. Yeah,
turned out the Court is delivering doling out those decisions
with or without the Trump as president.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, can do bad all on their own.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Before we get to all of that, we do like
to get to know you a little bit better by
asking what is something from your search history that's realing
about who you are?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, search history right now is a lot of used cars,
and you know what, I know we're going to go
into underrated and overrated and this is this is this
is very much connected. So right now used cars, I'm
looking at how much is how much is a Honda
Civic going for these days? How much is a how
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much is a Kia Soul? You know, yeah, so that's
the search history really stacked with used cars right now?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Are you in the market for one? Well, nope, curious.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Should I go ahead and tell you my underrated I
think so? Yeah, so underrated rip twenty fourteen Kia Soul,
one thousand miles on it. It served me so well.
Salute the twenty fourteen Kia Soul because she died.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
She died just last week.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Thank you, Michael, Michael Wizza. I know, I know listeners
at home think Justin is piping that in from an
actual military funeral, But no, that is our very on
Kaitlin Durante revealing themselves to be the this generations. Michael Winslow.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, so underrated. Is that beautiful Hamster car, the Kia Soul.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah that was the Okay, that was the Hamster car.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh yeah, what a swing image, what a big swing
and she did so much for me.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, The car commercials have been the same for the
past twenty years. They have been, for the most part,
a glamour shots of the car driving through a for
whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
The windiest road that's ever happened.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Completely depopulated landscape for some reason. Yeah and yeah, they
were just like what if we like some fun giant
human sized hamsters. Yeah, just fucking speeding around on.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
This camster's in close and also like dancing to the
beat of an LMFAO song. Yeah, and that was That
was the Kia Soul marketing plan.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It worked. It clearly worked. It clearly worked. And you
know what, it was a good car. I'll say it.
I'm brave and the twenty fourteen Kia Soul is one
of the best cars ever made. Well, maybe maybe I'm
feeling sentimental.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know, twenty fourteen. That's a good run for a
car ten years.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Not crazy, but
it is a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah. Is that one of those cars that got in
before everything became computerized?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like the word Yeah, no, no, it didn't. By the end,
it didn't even have bluetooth.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, it doesn't have a My car doesn't have a
backup camera. So I'm using my note. I'm swiveling my
head around like a peasant. Yeah, I'm trying to back up.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
No camera, no.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Layness, nothing. No, it was a It was a car
in the in the in the real in the real
sense of the word, a car. Not a computer, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, fuck your computer on musk.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Your computer on wheels.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, fucker fucking drive around in my iPad out of here.
What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
All right? This one also quite close to home. I
think you know it's overrated getting a full set, getting
your nails done, having ten beautiful, gorgeous, brand new acrylics.
You know why, because it's been so long since I've
gotten my nails done that I have one thumb acrylic left,
and I've just been rocking that for for weeks at
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this point, and I am, Yeah, I'm telling myself it's
because it's overrated to have a fresh, beautiful, sparkly new set.
I'm doing just fine with my one thumb acrylic nail.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I personally would assume that was intentional.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Thank you the way that like, Okay, let me tell
me how much of this I have? Correct? Is it
like people who do cocaine they leave a long, pinky nail. Yeah,
it's like that, but different, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, glamorous.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So is it the only long nail on your hand?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, that's the only one I got. Oh yeah, because
the other ones, the ones are sure, Yeah, they fall
off or they break so you take it off or whatever.
And then so here I am with just just one
and nine nine short little nubbies.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I agree that it's I like, I've never gotten acrylics
at all. I get a manicure once every ten years, roughly,
I've had like three in my life.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I mean, if that's what if that's what people want
to do and that's how you want to spend your money,
go for it. But I'm just like, what if though
my shitty three dollars nail polish that I apply myself badly,
what if that and then and is great at Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
For that as well, you know I generally, Yeah, what
I'm u with this one nail is doing to my
psyche is that you know, I'm a Texas girly. You know,
it's a big hair, it's a lashes, it's a nail
lifestyle and a clic set, full set lifestyle. And so yeah,
these past few weeks, you know, I got arrested, I
(17:38):
have my my my life is maybe summed up in
h I just have this one acrylic nail holding on
for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's a beautiful metaphor.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I think having ten nails done. Now, now that
I've seen your one nail, I think ten nails done
is corny.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah hard? Why do all your nails match? What the
is that? That's unnatural? Yeah, And thumb definitely preferable to
pinky finger. I feel like, yeah, finger, although you could
probably pull it off, I don't think I could pull
off one really long pinky finger.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think, yeah, thumb, it's the it's the whatever, it's
the digit that sets us apart from the rest of
the animal kingdom. Yeah, so I'm just like accentuating.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It, Yeah, rubbing it in the animal kingdom's face.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You go to your cat and you say, oh, do
you have opposable thumbs? No, well look at this.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Oh sorry, you couldn't catch that. I first got all right,
let's take a quick break, and then we're going to
come back and talk about the Supreme Court. Oh no,
oh no, this is going to be so awkward. And
(19:10):
we're back, and we're back, and we're back and Trump v.
United States? Is that how we pronounce that? We pronounced
the verses as V.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, in the realm of Supreme the supremes.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, So a lot of people have talked about how
scary the prospect of trumps next Trump presidency is in
the context of Project twenty twenty five, and they are right. Yes, However,
this ruling is just straight up feels like the Supreme
Court intervening on behalf of Donald Trump to say he
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can do whatever he wants, like including I feel like
everything he did in the first in his first presidency,
right yeah, Like they're just like, yeah, he's the president,
he can do all of that shit. Like if January
sixth happened with this being the law, the only thing
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he did wrong really was not make it a military coup.
If he had used the military, then that would have
been okay, in line with this ruling, because then that's
part that's him using his official capacity as president.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So, like the question here is like, okay,
when do presidents get immunity? And like, well, you have
to step back and think, like why why is there
such a concept in the law of presidential immunity? And
it's because you want the president, you want certain government
officials to like be able to do some stuff that
the normal person wouldn't be able to do. You already
(20:51):
talked about like leading the military, the president's commander in chief, Like,
you know, you order the military to do some stuff,
there's going to be consequences that for me to order
somebody to do that, that would be a crime, right,
But we want the president to be able to do it.
That's why there's presidential immunity. And so the way courts
in the past have like decided, like what does where
(21:14):
does presidential immunity lie is if basically is if the
president is doing an official act, right, if it's an
act that the president is doing, because the president is
the president, right, so you know you could you can
hold them legally accountable for doing something. Yes, they're the president,
but they're not doing an official act. So you know,
(21:36):
the president the president, and I get an offender bender,
you know, six blocks from my house, Yeah, I would
be able to sue the president. He's not doing his
presidential duties in rear ending my car, you.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Know, yes, but especially he kind of fucked up your
twenty fourteen right, Yes he should be he must pay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
But yeah, So in this case, the Supreme Court, this
is a majority decision written by John Roberts, basically says,
if you're the president, almost anything you do is gonna
be an.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Official acting for treason?
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yes, yes, yeah. What's so so wild is what the
Supreme Court says is or what the majority the majority,
let's be real, the hyper conservative six maniacs.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, but John Roberts is the middle of the road
guy who was gonna save us all I thought, let.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
This pass, Supreme Court term be the death of that idea.
This we we've got Roberts on decisions all over the
place where he is like articulating a frankly psychotic conservative
vision of the law and of the constitution. This guy
is not a moderate. Please stop saying that. You know, yeah,
(23:00):
so yeah, this in in this case, they're saying like, yeah,
basically everything is a presidential official act because you know,
we can't decide whether something is official conduct or unofficial
conduct by looking at by inquiring into like the president's motives. Right,
So that means like it doesn't matter for what purpose
(23:20):
the president does something. It doesn't matter how self interested,
it doesn't matter how violent, as long as it's like
draped in the shroud of the presidential office, then the
Supreme Court says, the president is insulated from prosecution. Right,
So it's like kind of like I think Peter said
this on the on the on the episode that we
did about this case. But he's like, Okay, if if
(23:43):
basically like if the office of the presidency is like
a gun, what the court said here is that when
you become the president, you gain the completely unfettered right
to use that gun however you want. It doesn't matter
who you shoot at, it doesn't matter why, it doesn't
matter you know how you abuse that access to the gun,
(24:04):
right right, the only thing that matters is it's your gun.
It's an official act, and so you you are immune
from prosecution for any criminal acts that you do with
that gun. Right. Yes, it's it's really really really it's
really wild. Yeah, and like you said at the beginning,
like we have we're doing monarchy now.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And if Trump gets back in the White House, it
feels like he's going, I mean, he's going to really
explore the studio space with this Like this is like
it feels like it's like a like a request, like
a band that's doing a request for somebody, Like he's like,
could you play this one?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like it's really a dare, Like I dare you just
to test the limits of this limitless power.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Question mark. Yeah, there are limitations, Like I think you
guys brought up like the president doesn't have the right
to regulate emissions or force federal employees to be vaccinated.
Those are executive powers like a Democrat might use, but
he has the green light to orchestrate a coup and
subvert an election.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a little bit different,
but it is related. Like it's a good point, but
like it's a little bit different because this is about
criminal prosecution, right, so right, but yeah, it's like saying like, yeah,
there are other areas of the law that are going
to like rein in executive power, rein in the administrative state.
Oh no, you can't do that. No you can't, you can't.
You know, the EPA can't say as part of a
(25:32):
presidential administration that EPA can't you know, regulate waterways in
this way because all of our waterways are polluted and
water is poisoned in the US. No no, no, no no,
that's like a that's too much power, right, but all
these crimes, you can definitely do that. And what's crazy,
you know you brought up like okay, like the next
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a next Trump term he's gonna really be trying this
stuff out and really empowered by this crazy decision. And
that's true. I mean, like the decision itself is not
just saying like, oh, yeah, in general, you're getting carte blanche,
although it does say that, but it is about specific
acts that Trump took leading up to and on January sixth, Right,
(26:18):
and so you know that, you know, the accusation that
Trump like leveraged the Department of Justice right to like
open sham investigations or to threaten sham investigations into voter
fraud so that states would be like coerced into changing
their electors. He also threatened to fire the acting Attorney
General for not cooperating with that. Like that's those are
(26:40):
the specific accusations that Trump or anybody else could be
criminally prosecuted for. And you know, the Supreme Court John
robertson this decision says, well't no, that's like part of
being that's just part of the office.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, he's the president. Yeah, of course he's going to fire.
Like remember how big a deal it was when he
fired Komy. We were like, holy shit, we have entered
and then he like went on that lesser Holt interview,
and I was like, yeah, I didn't really like that
he was looking into me, so I you know, it
was like, oh my god, we've like entered a new
(27:17):
world where he's just going to try and get away
with it. And now the Supreme Court's like, yeah, no,
that's like totally fine. What yeah, like shut the fuck up,
stop complaining.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Everything, right, right, And so if you can like misuse
abuse your power with like ordering the DOJ to do
illegal sham shit, right, then yeah, in the second term,
like that you there's really no telling And and the
Court said, yeah, it's not just this stuff for which
(27:48):
he's immune, it's also like, here's how you think about
these cases in the future. And again that's just like
if it's connected to the office of the presidency, if
it's you know, just kind of draped in this, if
if he can say I did this in my capacity
as the president, then yeah, he's immune from criminal prosecution
for anything that comes out of that.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And it really felt like a broad and unapologetic collusion
between like the Supreme Court and Trump, like they delayed
the ruling for him and then found even more strongly
for him than what he was seeking. Yeah, it's just
(28:29):
like now, in retrospect, I think we're having a hard
time getting our mind around just like how off the
rails this has gone. Like no, yeah, yeah, just listening
back to like earlier episodes of your show, of like
any show like from before this, you know, like when
I remember being like, oh, I'm coming back from a
(28:52):
trip with my family on July eleventh, so that'll be
like when Trump is sentenced, so we'll find that out
then like that's just gone. It's like the worst case
scenario was like him not seeing jail time, and now
we're just like, oh no, actually, maybe what he did
is legal. Maybe like he's not a felon because because
(29:14):
the supremeor Court is like he can do whatever the
fuck he wants.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Everybody absolutely, yeah, no, it's super crazy, like the yeah,
like the discourse was about like you know, I never
thought Trump was going to see prison time, right, but
it was like okay, like maybe he would be like
on house arrest for like a couple of weeks or something,
and then he's just like on probation and like that
would be crazy and ha ha ha highway, like the
(29:40):
Secret Service has to go with him on community service day,
you know, right, you.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Know erased all that, and he is king, yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
He's going to be ca yeah yeah, Well, and he's
like he's like explicitly saying this.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
He's saying, like, if you vote for me, you're never
gonna have to vote. Yeah, Like he's ready to just
post up and be like I can't commit a crime.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like yeah, we're good here, he's done donezo Yeah. Yeah.
Really feels like we'll never get him out of office
the if he wins this time and yeah, in the
next act, I want to talk about how I like
it feels like he's specifically signaling that this is his plan.
(30:30):
Is like his ace in the hole is that he
has like the Supreme Court on his side, or at
least a lot of judges and election officials. But the
day that this came down, he was like, we should
be thinking about prosecuting Liz Cheney for treason, like he knows, Yeah,
he's ready to use this power. Yeah, Like the the
(30:53):
DJ is like is his gun now he is going
to be able to do the thing that he was
joking about joking in quotes, but like clearly you know
has always wanted to do, which is like shoot someone
in the middle of fifth Avenue and like get away
with it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, exactly. He's like, it's like not that far off
from what he's been talking about right for for years now,
and it's just about like him. That's that's what's so
dangerous about a Trump administration in terms of things like
Project twenty twenty five, all all of that that comes
with it, is we've already seen it in a first
(31:32):
Trump term, that he installs the people who allow him
to do this, right, who build up, who changed laws,
who interpret laws, so that when he has power, he
can do exactly what he's saying he wants to do
with it, you know. And so like you know, from
our from from my perspective, like watching the Supreme Court,
(31:55):
you know, you always have to go back to Trump
had three nominations to the Supreme Court. Yeah, got them,
you know, got all three confirmed. And you know, you
just have to be real, I think, you know, like
legal analysts, political analysts, all of that kind of thing,
you have to be real that Trump installed those three
(32:17):
people for very specific reasons, right, One which they've been
super upfront about and which they already achieved, was overturning
Roe v.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Wade.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
He put those three conservatives because he knew those three
conservatives would vote that way, right, and now with that
like kind of it's very direct, like a quid pro quo,
like I put you on the court to do X,
Y Z, and here we go this like crazy conservative
super majority. They're ready to do it. They're they're yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
They're doing it more than really Yeah, they're X Y
and Z ing it exactly do we it does? You're right,
it does feel like this has been a plan all along.
I was wondering, like because John Roberts had been more
like he hadn't been this out and out like right
wing crazy, had he? Or am I was I just
(33:09):
like not paying attention. It's entirely possible. I wasn't paying attention.
But like it feels like I don't know that like
Brett Cavanaugh got in there and he's just like a
bad influence on everyone or something like it just feels
like it's like a total it's taken a real turn.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think that's right. Like John Roberts has always been
a conservative, Like he's always hated things like voting rights,
you know, like there his legal career before he was
ever a judge, like shows a lot of his a
lot of super conservative positions on a lot of things.
I think this past term might show us, the past
couple of terms at the Supreme Court might show us
(33:46):
maybe maybe two things. One is that John Roberts now
is the Chief Justice presiding over cases at the Supreme
Court where the Overton window has shifted dramatically. Like the
cases now being decided are not like, Okay, what's this
little tiny what's this little tiny tweak that we could
(34:10):
make in the conservative direction on Roe v.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Wade?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right, Yeah, but it's like literally like is the president
immune from criminal prosecution when the president does crimes?
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
And so it's like the conservative, the hyper conservative inside
of John Roberts can totally jump out because because the
cases in front of the Supreme Court right now are
on issues that are just wildly, wildly conservative, right, So
there doesn't have to be the appearance of like the
questions they're answering within those questions, there doesn't have to
(34:47):
be this kind of like sham appearance of like moderation, right,
or sort of institutional legitimacy from the Court that John
Roberts was like kind of using as a tactic in
in years prior. Right, Yeah, And I think another thing too,
is that John Roberts and the rest of the Conservatives
(35:08):
on the Supreme Court, and everybody on the Supreme Court
is a human being who is influenced by the political
moment and media and you know, shifts in popular opinion
and shifts and development in conservative thought just like everybody else's.
And so you know Fox News is writing is rotting
(35:30):
their brains too.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, there, you can absolutely tell that they're just mainlining
fucking Jesse Waters and yeah, oh yeah, I mean in
the case of Alito As we'll get to fucking like
Q conspiracies. But yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean,
this is how fascism happens, right, Like the rule of
(35:53):
law is not like it's not like fascists come in
and just like say no more Supreme Court. It's exactly
the rule of law. I think it was said on
five to four by Peter Like, the rule of law
is whatever fascists need it to be in a given moment.
Yea's inconsistent, but it is. You know, they will use
(36:14):
it like a cudgel, you.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Know, exactly, yeah, exactly, we're talking. I mean, and there's
so many cases from this past term that show that
you know, I think when we were talking about like
fascism and the rule of law and that kind of thing.
That was probably on our episode about Snyder, which is
the case about like bribery, like bribing elected officials, where
the Supreme Court said, like, hmm, well, actually you know this,
(36:36):
this check that a trucking company gave to the mayor
of this Oregon city for thirteen thousand dollars for awarding
that trucking company trucking contracts. That's not bribery, Like yeah,
and that's exactly like you know, all of these cases
like on their own, you're like, oh, that's fucked up.
Oh that's another fucked up decision, But when you see
(36:57):
them all together and you really like what the Supreme
Court is doing, like that is the overarching goal is
about ushering in right a legal order where these conservatives
are in charge. These conservatives are the ones saying what
the law is, and they will always use that to
they will always use that to like reach the results
(37:18):
that they want for their policy preferences, for that vision
they have for the world.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
And whoever has the most money becomes the most powerful exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Totally, because you know, if Trump becomes president again. Uh,
and he exercises this ability to commit crimes with is
God given king, right, Yeah, the Supreme Court will just
be like, Yep, we ruled that that was the choice,
and that's great and good, do whatever you need to do, buddy.
(37:49):
Versus if not Trump is elected and then that person
tries to commit crimes, I feel like the Supreme Court
would be like, well, in this case, actually no own blah,
like there's no objectivity.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, no. And you see the tools that they use, right, So,
like they put like the appearance of legal analysis and
they say, well, like, well, you got to decide first
if something is an official act or an unofficial act, right,
And so you see that they're like building in the
tools that they're going to use to reach the completely
opposite result when they don't like the president who's doing
(38:26):
the acts.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So in the future, what they can say as well, no,
that wasn't you know, if let's say Kamala wins, right, Well, no,
Kamala wasn't doing an official act as part of the
office of the presidency. That was an unofficial act, and
you don't get presidential immunity for unofficial acts, right, So
it's all about just like recognizing like the law isn't
like a mathematical equation where you go two plus two
(38:50):
and you know what the result is going to be. Like,
the law is a tool. It's a political tool, and
that's what these conservatives on the Supreme Court are using
it as.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Right, They're like deliberately building in loopholes that they can
exploit for whatever agenda they want carry out.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, so the Biden can't actually do Supreme Court reform right?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Is how do you think about the Supreme Court reform
that Biden has very just very cautiously hinted at wanting
to explore like it is obviously he probably doesn't have
the time to do it. Left, But is he at
least like looking in the right direction? Is he at
(39:33):
least starting the right conversations.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's absolutely in it's absolutely looking in the right direction
and starting the right conversations. You know, it was looking
in the right direction and starting the right conversations, you
know four years ago when he ran on a platform
of court reform, and when he took the presidency and
struck the Biden Commission on Supreme Court Reform had people lawyers, judges,
(39:59):
law professors from quote unquote both sides of the Aisle
come together and talk about where necessary court reform could
take place, how it could take place, what it would entail.
Biden and the Democrats I think are speaking to that
at least, at the very least giving lip service if
you're kind of cynical like I am, because they know
(40:20):
that actually it's publicly quite popular, like people know right
now that the Supreme Court is super fucked up and
that there needs to be court reform, and so yeah,
the Democratic Party will kind of throw that out that
they're willing and able to look at it, and and
you know, want to get the conversation started and that
kind of thing. So yeah, the conversation, Yeah, it needs
(40:40):
to be started and should have been started. And I
think it's about like demanding that like the reforms actually happen.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
There was just a really intense earthquake in California.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh my god, we are okay, yeah, yeah, justin Victor,
everybody okay, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Shook my house still pretty hard?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Oh it's still going. Still feeling like.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Victor died, reported that he died. I'm sorry, Victor, Oh
my god. Well hope everybody listening also, okay, listening a
day in the future. All right, let's uh take a
quick break to gather ourselves to just steady, steady our
(41:27):
our quakings and quaking hearts, and we'll come back to
talk about how the Supreme Court might We've already talked
about how if Trump gets elected, we're fucked. Let's talk
about how the Supreme Court can help get him elected.
We'll be right back and we're back. And Donald Trump, yes,
(42:03):
have you heard about this? He has been talking a
lot about the Georgia Election Board and how much they're
fighting the good fight. Basically, they got like three mega
people on a board of five and they're they just
want to do everything they can to fuck with the
(42:26):
process and get in the way of certification if Donald
Trump doesn't win. This past weekend, they ordered an investigation
into the twenty twenty results. They're going back to that one. Also,
there was that great New York Times article about like
Trump's challenging three months by Haberman and co. Where they
(42:47):
were like all his big mega donors like had a
meeting with him where they're like, okay, like how are
we going to change the messaging on this? And he
was like Okay, First of all, we need to stop
the steal. Still talking about the twenty twenty election, the
fuck but anyways, he's still stuck on that. But given
(43:08):
what we know about the state of the Supreme Court
following Trump the United States, I feel like there's no
doubt that they would cooperate in an attempt to fuck
with the certification the counting of votes if there's any
chance that they can do it. And this has made
(43:30):
me think a lot about like one of the first
political moments that I remember, which is the election between
Al Gore and George W. Bush, which is what the
first episode of five to four is about. Yeah, and
it is straight up the Supreme Court being a five
to four conservative majority determining the two thousand election. Yeah,
(43:55):
along partisan lines, based on nothing so much as like, yeah,
that's who we want to win.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Do people need a refresher?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I do?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I think people like really forget. I mean, you know,
we're we're all pretty young. I was in eighth grade
during the two thousand elections, so like I didn't.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Even know what I think really, yeah, thirty eighty year
I was born in nineteen nineteen. I just forgot how
numbers worked.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
For a second.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I was born in eighty six, Yes, okay, I was.
I was maybe I was a freshman or oh, I
don't know. I was some age around.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I was in my mid fifties, but I just hadn't
paid attention to politics before then. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So I learned more about this case in law school,
and it is it's so wild, and it's so wild
to harken back and be like, oh, okay, so the
exact same thing could happen.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, So George W. Bush al Gore running for president,
it came down to Florida. Whoever won Florida was going
to win the presidency, right, Like, literally neither one of
them had enough electoral votes. You had to get Florida,
and Florida was contested.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So because of the chads, the hanging chads.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
There, Yes, it was hanging chads. It was all kinds
of issues with counting the votes in Florida.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
So Jalo's jokes about hanging chads is what got me
interested in comedy in the first place. That's there's so
many good ones. You heard about this.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So what happened was now Florida did get called for Bush. Right,
the Florida division of elections, like called Florida for Bush.
But the thing was is that the margin of victory
was so low, it was less than two thousand votes,
which put that in according to Florida state law said
that there needed to be a mandatory recount. Right, So
(45:49):
there was this machine recount and that came back again
with Bush winning, but it was by even fewer votes, right,
it was like three hundred votes. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Then the counting system is not accurate, right.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Right, like, and that sometimes at the margins, right, Like
a recount does need to happen.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So you're like, so Bush won, and they were like, right, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
So what happened? You know, when the machine recount showed
that like Bush had won maybe by something like three
hundred votes total in the entire state, the Gore campaign
requested a manual recount in some of these counties, right,
and then the litigation was off to the races. Right,
That's where the court cases went cuckoo. It was in
(46:36):
Florida State court. It went up to the Supreme Court.
The Florida Supreme Court ordered a state wide manual recount. Okay,
no more machines across the state. Every county recount your
votes by hand, we need to figure out how many
votes each candidate got. Okay, seems reasonable, right, Florida Supreme
(46:56):
Court like, let's just do a recount, you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
Everybody's vote gets count right, exactly, Let's actually count the votes. Maybe,
like that's that was the that was the right, right,
And so what did the Bush campaign do?
Speaker 2 (47:12):
The Bush campaign challenged that order for a recount. They
challenged it at the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court
took the case and they granted a stay, meaning they
were saying, stop the recount until we fully decide. And
Justice antonin Scalia ultra conservative. Yeah, psycho, one of the worst. Yeah,
(47:36):
one of the absolute worst. At the time he wrote
that they were granting the Supreme Court of the United
States was granting the stay like saying, no, no, we
really need to pause the recount and take this seriously
because there's a threat of irreparable harm on the Bush campaign.
If there is always like this shroud of like like
(47:58):
a question that maybe Bush's win isn't legitimate if they
do the recount like that, that would be irreparable harm. And
the other justices there were liberal justices who were like,
how would it be irreparable harm if we count all
the votes.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
And determine the actual legitimate outcome of the election.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yes, exactly. It starts from the premise that we want
Bush to win already, and so that would because but
it's going to be so harmful to his legitimacy if
he doesn't win the election, Yes, then people won't even
let him be president.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
It was.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That crazy. So then the Supreme Court considered the whole
case and they decided that the Florida Supreme Court was
wrong when they ordered this statewide recount because it would
be impossible for Florida to do it fairly because each
county in Florida. Here's the hanging Chad's issue. Each county
(48:58):
in Florida had different men thids of counting, right like,
each county election board had a different system for counting.
The Supreme Court said that would be unfair, So we're
not going to do a recount. No recount. Now forget that.
They could have ordered the same recount method across the
counties to fix that problem. They could, Yes, exactly, they
(49:22):
could have said that. They're like, nope, no, we can't. Actually,
this would be super super unfair. It would It would
violate equal protection of the laws.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So and it would hurt recount George W. Bush's feelings.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Can we not take that into account? It will hurt right.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
So that's the story of bushby gored Like it really
is that kind of like boldly political, boldly partisan. It is.
It was at the time the five Conservatives on the
Supreme Court being like, m we want Bush to win.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, so I took the l SAT at one point,
very whoa dag, Yeah, that's right, I did.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Okay, okay, here I am over here with the amasly
master's degree in screenwriting from Elliston University. You know what
never mentioned I've never taken the l SAT.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
No, you know what the real brag is is that
Jack took the l SAT but then didn't go to
law school. That's actually the flex.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
Right walked my way out of it by that time, fortunately,
But like there's a whole logic section on that test
where you're supposed to be able to like suss out
the arguments, and the idea is that the legal system
is based on logical arguments, and their logical argument for
(50:52):
this finding that determined the presidency of the United States,
like didn't it doesn't make any sense, like on a
surface level, like in a you can't explain it in
one sentence, you can't explain it in a thousand sentences.
But yeah, so this is what the Supreme Court is.
(51:13):
Like the Supreme Court, yes, is it claims to be
like these balls and strikes, impartial philosopher kings and queens
who will you know, just that they're just there to
like call it like it has no political influence and
they are just increasingly an apparatus of the Republican Party
(51:38):
in a way that is really fucking scary, scary, And
so that's right, Jason Vorhees is back. So like you
could say, like, yeah, but that was a unique situation
where like there was this recount and everything was very strange.
(52:00):
But we have like one of the Supreme Court justices
seems to be on the like Q, Like Samuel Alito
was flying a upside down American flag in the immediate
like on January sixth, or like right after.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Like yeah, on inauguration day, right, yeah, Biden's inauguration day.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, for their life bought in on the like the
big lie, He's fully bought in on, Like I'm pretty
sure he has to be like reading Q, shit like,
and so I I don't think they're going to necessarily
need things to be as fucked up as they got
(52:43):
in Florida to intervene this time around, because Trump already
seems to be like openly working with election officials to
like throw things into chaos like the way he was
trying to do the last time around. Yeah, so yeah,
I don't know, Like what are your thoughts on that, Like,
(53:06):
do you think there's a way for them to without
the initial controversy of like, man, this was so close
in Florida and they designed the ballots like at random,
just randomly designed them, So like, do you think there's
a way for them to get involved and give it
(53:26):
turn the election towards Trump without something like that?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah? There are there are plenty of ways, And it's
like I don't think it's the.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
Most legitimately hoping you were like, well not really.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
No, no, no, there are shaloada ways. No, there are
shaload a ways. And I don't even think it's about
like necessarily predicting the specific way that it'll happen in
this election. You know, from the vantage point of August twelfth,
August thirteenth, twenty twenty four. But the point is, and
I think Bush by Gore is the really good example
because it's like that was also unforeseen. Right. You couldn't
(54:02):
you couldn't have seen you couldn't have foreseen that, like
hanging chads in two counties in Florida were going to
you know, put into question, you know, a few thousand votes, right.
But it was about installing a system and apparatus, in
this case, a legal one, right, that would be ready primed, right,
(54:26):
political and biased in a specific way, so that when
that issue came before them, right, the decision making power
was with people who you know, were primed to come
out a certain way. And that's the same thing with Trump. Right,
This Supreme Court has six maniacs on it. This is
not six, right, Like we think about the Supreme Court
(54:47):
as like we say this all the time. It's got
to be you know, these are the smartest best lawyers
judges in the country. Right, it is not true, sam Alito,
I would guess, Sam al you know it's not even
it's not just Fox News. He's watching o An, he's
watching the crazy shit on YouTube. Right, yeah, and uh
(55:11):
exactly and elsewhere, right, I mean four years ago Clarence Thomas,
another one, another absolutely cuckoo psycho. Right, his wife Jenny
Thomas putting out that, like, you know, the bidens were
gonna be like imprisoned on a barge at Guantanamo, right,
like this is not this is this? These are these
(55:35):
are yeah, conspiracy theory, rabidly conservative, quite violent in their
world vision. Right, these are the types of conservatives who
are on the Supreme Court, you know, just like the
crazy just like your local crazy Republican politician from whatever
county who you know runs on a platform of uh,
(55:58):
disgustingly like anti trus anti immigrant, right like that. You
have to have to we have to understand conceive of
Supreme Court justices also as a kind of politician, and
they have those same biases, They have those same foundations
from which their politics are born out of. They just
also know how to speak in legalise. Right. So for Trump,
(56:20):
it'll be whatever situation comes up, Trump is saying, I'm
gonna ensure chaos in this situation, I'm going to ensure
chaos in these in this election and in whatever procedures
there are, so that whatever issue it might be that
gets teed up for the Supreme Court. Yeah, John Roberts
and the rest of those nasty losers. They're they're ready
(56:42):
for it. They're gonna do yeah whatever he wants.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, well, we'll all be out in the streets protesting
after that. And if you want to see how will
all be treated, just look at the protests in favor
of Palestine.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, And maybe uh that's why I was like, wow,
people really are not giving a fuck about these students
and willing to just let this, let the mainstream media
just discount them and be like, well we heard one
person who wasn't a student say something anti semitic, So.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Right, right, that's the thing. That's the thing that every
you know, you have to that's the thing that everybody
has to realize. Like when you you know, when you
accept it for somebody else, yeah, you are accepting it
to happen to you too, you know.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
It's uh yeah, So I don't know. The one thing
I've heard people throw out is like, well, Biden now
has these powers of monarch, supreme monarch, can't he do
something like present Supreme Court please something?
Speaker 2 (57:52):
I mean, what's so crazy is like the solutions, Caitlin,
Like you're talking about like court reform, like it's actually
not even illegal. You know, gonna have to have presidential
immunity to do it, Like we just have to have
like political will, like just fucking.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Just do something, yea, do something.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Here's some brilliant joke. I've been trying to legend this
whole conversation the Supreme Court more like the Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
There it is, and it is, this whole conversation.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah, summed up.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, we're going to change the name of our podcast
to Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah, more Likepreme Court. And you're all welcome. Well Rihann
and what a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Hey, it's always a blast. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2 (58:41):
Well you can follow at five to four pod all
spelled out for following the podcast. Also at Popular Cradle
for my new podcast that's about Palestine, Palestinian resistance and history,
all that kind of good stuff. I am on Twitter
not so much, but I'm there at a wa rhiannon
(59:02):
aa is a y w A. So yeah, we're we're
out here, all right.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Australian break dancing at the line.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yes, yes, that's right, and I've been a fan since
way back. I knew of ray Gun's work coming in
and Ygun is excited for the world.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
To Raygun and I came up at about the same
time Raygun, I'm regun.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, we we go way back.
Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, that's right. Beautiful, Oh my god, what a well
that was. That was a lot of fun, like also bad,
like for any breakdancers who didn't get to go to
the Olympics, and I feel that for break dancing on
the other hand, holy ship to.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
See a woman fail upwards from you.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, Caitlin, Where can people find you? Is there a
work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I'm mostly on Instagram these days at Kaitlyn Durrante. You
can sign up for screenwriting classes that I'm teaching using
that aforementioned but never mentioned screenwriting Master's degree that I have.
But yeah, I'm teaching online screenwriting classes. You can find
information about those on my website kaitlindurante dot com slash classes.
(01:00:26):
I have a couple starting in mid September, so check
those out. You can listen to my podcast, The Bechdel Cast,
that I co host with Jamie loftis where we examine
movies through and through an intersectional feminist lens, and a
piece of media that I've been enjoying because I know
you're gonna ask, oh my god, wait, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I know you figure out that is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
There's something spooky foot the piece of me. I just
saw Kneecap yesterday. It's the movie kind of biopic, but
I think a lot of it is fictionalized about the
Irish rap group also called Kneecap, that is, through their music,
trying to preserve the Irish language. And it's a really
(01:01:18):
fun movie and it's very funny and I liked it
a lot. So everyone check out Kneecap in a theater
near you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
That's fun like like Gaelic, yeah, like oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
People still don't speak it. It turns out I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Don't believe you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
They're lying.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
They're just making vaguely Irish sounds. You can find me
on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying
was from John Levenstein, who, upon watching Olympic volleyball, tweeted,
if I were on a volleyball team that huddled after
every point, I would start to get irritated and say
(01:01:58):
I've got nothing new for you. You guys, It's like
I always wonder, like, what the fuck are they saying
in there after every single Yeah, it's just like I
don't know, guys the same ship every time.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
We do need the touch. Everybody needs to, like athletes
need to touch each other. Apparently they perform better. Anyways,
you can find me. It's a contact sport in more
ways than one. The contact, heart on heart contact is
really what it's about. You can find me on Twitter
at Jack Underscore O Brian. You can find us on
(01:02:34):
Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram,
we have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily
zei gast dot com where we post our episodes and
our footnotes where we like to the information that we
talked about in today's episode as well as that really
threw me for some reason. It's good. It's very well done.
It's never been done.
Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Before, so I didn't innovate that.
Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, that was really well done. I'm gonna have to
tell Miles about that. Yeah, you do it. We also
like to lack off to a song that we think
you might enjoy. With Miles being out, we always like
to ask super producer Justin Connor if there is a
song that he's been enjoying that he would like to recommend.
Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Yeah, if you love two thousands and nineties R and B,
this will really make you smile, the kind of warm nostalgia.
This is a track called Strange Things by Double. It's
a simple love song from two thousand and two, but
it switches between Japanese and English language singing and it
sounds like if SWV or three LW spent some time
(01:03:35):
in Japan, became fluent in the language and just sang
their hearts out. So this is Strange Things by Double
and you can find that song in the footnotes footnotes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
The Daily Zeit Guys is the production of by Heart Radio.
For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio Wrap,
Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
That's going to do it for us this morning, back
this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk
to you all then. Bye bye bye
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