No Allies Is Good! Big Tech Wins Even When They Lose 04.01.26

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's what's going on with you guys? Got a billionaire
tax going on? Right?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
A millionaire attacks.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah. I saw Rick Steves post about it, and I was, yeah,
all right, Rick Steve, Wow, man. He was like, don't
listen to these other fucking He didn't say it like that,
but he was basically like, they're gonna start whining and
it's nonsense. This is a public good and we can
afford it.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
You want Rex Steves in the blunt Rotation?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh there? Oh that's crazy. Yeah, I got the fucking
and it's Easter week. I got the Last Supper right here,
the dream my god? How call it? How how do
we do that?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're just length my god?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I guess yeah. People who don't get to see this,
I'm wearing a fucking T shirt that says dream blunt
Rotation and it's it's that iconic painting of the Last Supper?
Who who painted that? Is that one of the big
Ninja turtle names?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, right, it's Oh no, I want to I wanted
to know this.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I go one of the Ninja turtle to me,
I'm like, it's one of the Ninja turtle names. Yeah, yeah, oh,
the blue one.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You're so closer than both of us.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah yeah, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season four
thirty two, Episode three of The Daily Case, the production
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(02:05):
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(02:25):
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There's not enough admiration in my heart to properly admire
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proximity of it, and for that I am very grateful.
Please welcome today's guest co host, Jamie Lovedace. Oh, Jamie,

(02:48):
Jamie sad guesting those body bang.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Okay, it's so good to ask for an aka. It
had been too long. It's been too long to Jill
Hatch on Blue Sky for that one. Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Oh, I forgot to say too. It's April first. Okay,
that wasn't me trying to do that. Oh yeah, trust me,
And we're not doing I don't have enough energy to
be doing April fool shit.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is a joke episode.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, this is a joke episode. Or we'll talk about everything's.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Going great, you guys. Yeah, there's only good news today.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's such a cool joke when you're like you put
a frog in a cold pot of water and then
gradually turn up that heat, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
That's wait, this is the day we learned it was
all a bit.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I've found April fool strokes to be very polarizing recently.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think there are.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
People who want them back to feel something. And then
there are others that are like, we've got enough on
our plate. Yeah, we still at the Bechdel Cast. We
still do it April Fools episodes where we cover a
bad movie and say it's good the whole time.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
But even that this year it was it was a challenge.
We covered Moonfall. Oh god, you're just like, what are
we doing? What are we doing? It's two hours forty
five minutes long.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, have any company I feel like I haven't even
seen actually like any build up using you hear a
bunch of companies starting to do stuff where they're like, oh, no,
fart flavored cookies or something like that. But even like a.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Simpler time on the internet when yeah, when KFC is
like we're vegans now or whatever the fuck, and I think.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Shit, it's just too real now where you're just like, dude,
shut the fuck up. You know exactly.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
Only April Fool's jokes I want to see are from
like small creators who like upload something that's off brand,
like yeah, exactly. They do forty five minute video essays
and they do a twenty second and they're like, today
I'm going to dive into the history cuts off whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah, it needs to be quick
and dirty, like I don't don't make me invest time
into your little joke. Especially now, when companies pull pranks,
I think it doesn't hit the way it used to
because our which, like we're talking about today, our trust
in companies is like understandably and in all the time,

(05:08):
like it's completely evaporated. So if anyone's like, oh, we're
gonna do a little joke today, it's like, right, there's
someone that like.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Why do you take money from Peter Till?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Like right right, It's like it's not cute anymore. No, No,
I think Duncan's gonna pull one out though today. That's
what I'm gonna call I'm gonna call it. I think
the one company I can tolerate.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
A little joke Donkeys Donkeys jokey. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Look there, their social media is good. I got the
banana coffee and I relished it, relish.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Aren't we doing well well? Jamie? We're thrilled to be
joined by today's guest. Look, we've got you, Jamie, a
creative genius, and now we have someone who has a
mind squarely in policy, thinking about democracy, thinking about larger,
bigger picture questions, things that I can't conceive of because
I'm too busy watching ninety Day Fiance. But our guest

(06:02):
today is the director of policy outreach and Communications at
More Equitable Democracy, also the co founder of Fair Vote Washington,
and also the co host of the fantastic podcast The
Future of Our Former Democracy. Please welcome to our third seat,
the talented, intelligent, and brilliant Colin co.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
My gosh, thank you so much. That's too glowing of praise.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I don't know. I mean, you were dropping a few
I think Warhammer references maybe last time you were here.
That's right. I was like, Colin contains multitudes. It's not
just all wonk wonk type shit in there, you know
what I mean, that's some culture in there.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Like, yeah, it is so great learning what a very
smart person special interest is. It never stops being interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, of course, of course, I mean, and I asked
that in the Sorry, let me clarify, how are you
in a very narrow context personally, if you could, are
able to completely ignore the entire building burning around you
in real just you Warhammer?

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Yeah, so the ignoring the whole context is hard, you know,
puts you a state of cognitive dissonance. But personally, my
immediate life is going all right.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
My family is doing well.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
Okay, I'm almost finished building my space elf Pirate Warhammer Army,
So that's great.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
What is that like?

Speaker 1 (07:29):
We're talking models?

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, so many adjectives. You get the little.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Plastics, you get the you and lose at nippers, and
you come them into pieces.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
You glue them together and paint them too.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
But paintings, my uh, white whale, I have. I have
much more unpainted models than I have painted model.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I remember I as a kid, I got into like
Civil War miniatures like I want to. I remember I
got I had like a little battlefit and then when
I realized how like much of a real hobby that
ship was, I thought they were little toys. And then
my mom was like, they're pretty cheap. Are you sure?
I didn't realize you had to paint them, and I do.
There's something so horribly painted. I was like, this is terrible.

(08:09):
This looks nothing like it at the hobby store. I'm
forget it. So he was off to those that paint.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
I think if he if he does warhammer models or something,
I've seen him with. Yes, I've seen him with some
really tiny paint brushes. If I feed, I was like,
it's none of my business, but I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
For I think he does too. I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, if he also contains multitudes, that's true, truly, yes,
all the time he's also playing. He was trying to
get me back out on the ice to play hockey.
I was like, bro, I've been playing hockey longer than
you've been gaming. What are you talking about? And he's like,
fully on this hockey team, and he's like every He's like, yes,

(08:51):
if he plays hockey. Yeah, they're called like the Zombianies
or Zamboni's. Like it's like a zombies bony play. The
uniforms are chill, They're like purple and green and shit,
I'm and wait.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Oh my god, that's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Should I hope they have ice girls. It's kind of regressive,
but but.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I want But you never played? You never played, though?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Ye? No, yeah, no, I that much my dad's disappointment. Sure,
my brother and I are pretty useless on skates.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
You would have thrown elbows though, right?

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, no, I would have been quite I avoided playing
because I would have been a danger I just.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Got out there. I would just hack people with the
stick like it was a long sword. That was sort
of how I played. He is so scary. Oh, I
loved it because for me if I felt like a warhamd.
The only reason I got into it was because I
love soccer much more as a sport than I do hockey.
But as a child, I was like, look how much armor.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I was like, there's gloves, there's elbow pads, there's shoulder pads,
there's a helmet, there's shin pads, there's pants, there's skates,
there's socks, there's a stick. I was like, this is
because before I was like, what am I gonna What
am I gonna do wearing shin guards. I want to
look like a fucking you know, I want to look
like the.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Most jacked eight year old on the planet exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And you know in Warhammer that is that is the lore.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Like the space Marines are all like abducted children who
are force fed UH steroids and growth hormone and and
they're turned into two jack boot thugs.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
And this is fun for you, Colin.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
You lean into being the bad if you're one of
the people who thinks that the Space Marines are the
good guys.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
You should not be playing Warhammer, right.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
What's kind of like a thing too with conservatives, like
kind of getting confused about like Warhammer.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
I feel yeah, like once the year the company has
to put out a statement that's like, hey, just you know,
this is satire and they're they're.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Bad, bad people, and the commentary.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Right, please don't come to our tournament stressed in Nazi regalia.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
We'd really prefer you don't do that.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Wow, God, this is asking Republicans to hold two truths challenge.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Failed yet again. Possible. Well, Colin, we're gonna get to
know you even better, but first we're gonna just take
a look at what we're gonna talk about today. First,
ain't nobody fucking with the US Israel war schools? Just
as for the last couple of weeks, like it's just
been country after country telling the US and Israel bro

(11:23):
get fucked and get well, I don't want it. We
don't want anything to do with none of this. And
just in the last few days, it's starting to like cascade.
And I don't think anyone who was looking at how
Trump operates it will be surprised by this but now
it has begun to change a little bit the tone
coming from the White House where they're slowly trying to
act as if maybe the shit's done and won already.

(11:47):
So we'll take a look at that. Uh. And then really,
the the really big story that we want to talk
about today is last week I brought up a headline
about how Meta and Google recently lost like a high
profile case that were LA jury found them responsible for
negligent design and operation of their platforms, and I was like, oh, fuck,
that's great. They a tech company took an ellen court.

(12:10):
I love to see it. Shout out to a few
listeners who pointed out, oh no, no, no, no, no,
that's that's real bad. That's actually that's the opposite of
what we want to shout out Johnny Rabbit, especially on
Blue Sky, we had a nice interaction, and again, this
is why I appreciate having a show where we were

(12:30):
about being flexible and knowing when you're wrong, because when
listeners point stuff out like it was done with such kindness,
and I really respect it. And either way, even if
you came at me aggress and be like, yo, you
totally fucked that up, I definitely would have looked into
it because holy shit, this was this is so fucking scary,
and this decision actually plays directly into what Meta and

(12:52):
Google actually probably want and for how they want the
Internet to operate. So we will talk about that and
sort of cast acides some myths about that decision. But first,
Colin Cole, we like to ask you, what's something from
your search history that's revealing about who you are, what
you're into?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
So, uh, I just I just pulled this up and
putting aside, like setting up my microphone for today little
Shop of Horrors.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I'm sorry broken?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Well wait wait are you are you going to go?
Are you going to go off front way? What are
you going to do?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh? Is that what's going? Sorry? I only know like
the film and I didn't know that is the something
big is happening again with Little Befores. I'm ignorant.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, so I want to I've not seen it in
a live production. I want to see it. But that's
not why I looked it up. I looked it up
and so this this is going to tell you all
about me?

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Okay, Yesterday, a YouTube video essays Lindsay ellis actually she's.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Mostly a nebula, but she also watched.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
Yeah, so she put out this this video about Aladdin
because there's a you know, there's a sort of a
cultural myth that it was plagiarized by a lesser recognized
creator who still did a bunch of amazing stuff like
who Friend.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Roger Rabbit, the Great Richard Williams.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Who.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
So the allegation was that Disney played Your Eyes of
course for the Thief and the Cobbler was the original
by name, and that it was changed to Arabian Night.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
But the.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Essentially that's kind of not true, that maybe there's some
animation stuff that was stolen, But with the video s
Explorers is that the whole idea for Aladdin was really
the brainchild of Howard Ashman, who wrote all the lyrics
to all the songs for Beauty and the Beast and
Little Mermaid and Aladdin. He got the idea back in
the sixties when he played Aladdin in like a local
theater production. And the reason I looked up Little Shop

(14:41):
of Horrors is because I learned from this video that
Howard Ashman and his like musical co writer who wrote
all the actual melodies, Alan Mankin, were also the duo
that wrote Little Shop of Horrors.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
So oh, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Little Shop of Horror's lore is so terrific.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
If you ever get a chance to see a live production,
it will be the most spectacular puppet you've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Uh, And I love Little Shops so much. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I saw it a couple of years ago at the
Pasadena Playhouse. They did a production there, and I've never
seen it off Broadway before, but I really want to.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
It's just like, it's so good. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, they were going to remake it a couple of
years ago with like Chris Evans, and then I think
they were like.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Let's not do that.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
And I agree, decision made, let's not do that.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Oh well, welcome to Little Shop of Horrors to welcome
to the community.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Welcome to the community. It's off.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
We were going to talk about youran, but yeah, go on,
let's let's hear some more stuff about Little Yeah, let's
hear more.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
It's a great video.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I say too, because yeah, like Lindsay is like exploring
how you know, how many just sort of regressive tropes
that both of those movies explore, and that's like part
of what frames it as oh, well, whatever, like we
stole like that that Aladdin stole this from the Thief
and the Cobbler, when in reality it's just two the

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popular racist tropes being reflected back in media. You're like, well,
I don't think that Aladdin really stole that as much
as it is a popular racist cultural narrative that it's reflecting.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
She's she's a genius, she's a gem.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah yeah, Colin, what's something you think is underrated?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
I'm going to give two instead of giving a thing
that's over it because I like to spread the love,
you know, I want to be a positive force.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
From commanity today.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
So number one video game Metal Gear Solid two Sons
of Liberty came out in two thousand and two. At
the time, it was like the most hated game in
the franchise, but I think history has really vindicated it.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So keep in mind it was like written in two
thousand and one.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
And this game goes on to criticize, like Proxy Wars,
media consolidation, the overflow of like bad information on the
Internet that leads to the inability to tell what's reliable
and what's not. That AI is going to step in
and start making decisions for us, and we're not going
to be able to start distinguishing who real people are
from computers.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was it was like really on the nose. So
it's a very good game.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
You gotta go play. I I remember it when it
came out. I was like no, because I was so
I was so like the reboot first.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, yeah, on what grounds? Did people not like it?

Speaker 2 (17:39):
So you want the say one else?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, no, go ahead, go ahead, pase all right.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
So, so it's a sequel to the first game where
you play Solid Snake, Solid Snake, the World's most badass. Uh,
and so in the in the second game, you start
off as Solid Snake and your you know, your your
world's most badest superspy And then about an hour and
a half in they pulled the rug out from under
you and they tell you, actually, for this game, you're

(18:03):
not gonna play Solid Snake. You're gonna play a green
rookie who's on his first mission ever, who's a little
whiny and a little emotional, and he spends half the
game having a fight with his girlfriend on the phone.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, people didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
People didn't like Yeah, I mean, I get why people
didn't like that, but I just love when they're like, no,
you're gonna be punished, and I refuse to explain why.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Is there was there another Metal Gear coming out yet?

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Probably would break.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Did the re remake of Metal Gears all three, But
I don't know if there's another new project in the pipeline.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Because like, because what Phantom Pain is like the latest right.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Of Right And that's the one where today Okajim was
taking too long to make it, so they took it
away from him and then it got released unfinished, and.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Stragedy I had. I had a good time playing that one,
although I started growing a horn because I was being
really bad Snake sunny shrapnel, Yeah yeah, yeah, just grow
literal because like you can, like you can sort of
you can incapacitate your enemies and then like extract them
to your base or you can just off them.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
You know, is this what I sound like when I'm
trying to explain, uh, like little trimism.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
You know, you grow a horn and you're like.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's like a visual sort of texture that kind of
shows like, oh, this is your play style and you're
covered in blood. You can't. It's also the other visual
element to that. All right, what's the other thing you
think is under other thing?

Speaker 6 (19:35):
Dropout, dot TV, baby baby, game change or play it
by your smarty pants.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Dimension twenty relatively yourself, crowd control control.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
So true, so true.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
We see you, We see you, j we see you,
and you know, we see Sam despite his his vertical
challenging uh nature of being relatively short.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
We still see you Sam.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
The fact that they promised to not raise prices, and
a significant chunk of their fan base was like, please, though,
can we pay you more? And they have to add
an option to pay more in exchange for nothing, I
think is just a real testament to the fact that
they're doing business in a way no one else has before.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, profit share too, for everybody. It's like profit It's
really cool.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Like I I feel like there's uh, like everyone's always like, well,
what's the secret? You're like, they pill you what this is?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Everyone's a person yea.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Treating people like people.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It works. It's I mean, I think, yeah, for that
whole evolution, like from college humor to now drop out
and just seeing like how that just how that that
audience has evolved into something so gigantic to then Dimension
twenty selling out Madison Square Garden, it's yeh no small feats,
I gotta say. And I think it's such a again,

(20:56):
like I think it's such a great uh you know,
testament to being like have your philosophical guns and stick
to them and like if you're actually centering humanity ends
up being a pretty good model. So yeah, I got it.
I'm also such an admirer of everything they do over there,
big fan. Also, yeah, and Jamie, you know you are

(21:18):
you have you have you do anything else since crowd control?

Speaker 6 (21:19):
You do anything?

Speaker 4 (21:22):
I have done something I can't actually.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, uh well yeah okay it
was so much fun Walker subscriptions, I guess.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I've always been like, because
I know if you're the people that drop out over there,
I'm always like, yeah, we actually need to have more
of them on. But the fun ones are so busy
because they're so fucking successful. Madison's Square, fucking Brendan, come on, please,
I'm like, okay, you have seven hundred thousand things on. Yeah,

(21:54):
that's fair, that's fair, but show he can come on here,
come on, No, no, absolutely, I don't know, it's not like,
it's not shade, nothing shady.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
You're starting a public Yeah yeah, with one of.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
The most liked people on the internet.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't know if y'all heard about this guy.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
No, he just makes little shoes all day.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, exactly American girls, exactly, exactly. All right, let's take
a quick break and when we come back Iran right
after this, and we're back and just the state of

(22:35):
the US Israel war against Iran. It even though Trump
is like uploading videos like whoa, look at that bomb
that we just dropped on an ammunition depot, Isn't that crazy?
That's about the only feel good factor there is I
think for people rooting for the US is that you
can just root for like high like three sixty killcam

(22:55):
footage and be like, yeah, this is sick, because I mean,
I think if anything else, this has been a fantastic
stage for the world to see American hegemony begin to
crumble in real time and traditional allies have noped their
way out of getting tangled in the Strait of Hormuz
or any kind of offensive actions in Iran and have
flat out just said no again, like to any kind

(23:17):
of military action well, now even more European nations are
flexing their sovereignty as they are wont to do in
other ways to make a point that they don't want
fucking anything to do with this bullshit, even as the
illegal war affects their energy supply. So on Monday, we
learned that Spain was not allowing any American aircraft involved

(23:39):
with attacks to fly over their airspace. And you're like,
oh shit, okay, well you know, Trump's like, it's fine anyway,
We'll remember. I won't be buying any more Spanish things
after this. Then we found out France didn't allow plane
planes carrying weapons to Israel to fly over their territory.

(24:00):
Trump responded to that with that tired ass truth social
post that was like we will remember, sure, dude, but
you can't even remember what we were in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I thought he was gonna try to pull a pull
out of freedom for es.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
No, No, he's been like, the thing is like, oh,
so you don't want to get entangled in this, I'm
gonna remember that you could. Oh you'll see, like it's
just like this veiled threat that's like meaningless and the.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
Nonsense, you know, the the unnecessary war that we started
for no reason that we said we won fourteen times
that he still also says NATO isn't coming to our rescue,
like why do we need it?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Last week I played what last week? I played a
clip where he was like, that was a test when
I asked NATO allies to come to the strain of
horror moves and they failed, And you're like, dude, no,
you asked and they said no, and you're humiliated. So
now you're doing this like petulant teenager things like I
actually even want it, and it was like a test,
and they're all bad friends anyways, start not coming to
my birthday.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right, Well that's not a petulante, that's an inceel.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah right, exactly truly. And then then we found out
it wasn't just the French. The Italians are also not
allowing US bombers to land at their basis before going
to the Middle East. Hmmm, okay, And finally we just
found out too. Poland just denied an informal request from
the US to relocate the Patriot missile defense systems to

(25:22):
the Middle East because the US has just been sending
up all kinds of basically social money that could be
used for social programs in the United States in the
form of missiles that are exploding because they're fighting. They're
like using like fifty thousand missiles to take out like
three hundred dollars drones and the math aane really math
in there. So it's all it's all just a terrible

(25:43):
blunder that every administration has seen coming and why this
was never happening until again, as we found out he
thought that the Venezuela Maduro kidnapping went so well. He
was like, oh, yeah, okay, this will be this is
the exact same thing, and it was not and is not.

(26:04):
And also this just felt like all of the resistance
to being caught up in the illegal war just felt
so long overdue, especially when you consider the Trump and
heg Seth like threats to invade Greenland and like other
fate like threatening other NATO allies. And now they're blundering
in Iran just going to lead to like untold amounts

(26:24):
of chaos and suffering, not to mention like how difficult,
how prices are going to go up in the region.
But then us AID being cut back all over the world,
there's this is going to this is going to manifest
and a lot of instability that I think Trump is
just merely trying to cocoon himself into thinking like, oh,
the line is going down in the stock market or
gas prices, Like It's so much more complex than that,

(26:46):
And I find it now interesting that the world is
like kind of making it clear that Israel in the
US are on their own. Trump has also began begun
really earnestly, talking as if the job is done. Like
Caroline Levitt reiterated did what he said was that the
reopening of the straight up horror moves is no longer
a quote core objective of the war, not war military

(27:08):
operation operation. Yeah, yeah, and yeah even now, like on
Monday there was that truth social post where most people
were like, is this market manipulation? Because on Mondays he
does like a market manipulation post. Uh day Friday, Yeah
exactly that he goes in and then came in and
said great progress has been made to end the war.

(27:32):
The Iranians are like, who are you talking to?

Speaker 6 (27:35):
All the bad news comes out on Friday after Market's Clothes,
and then every Monday he makes right before bullshit about
how things are going great.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Hopefully you know, stabilize things. And now,
like even people like Hannity and like other propagandists and
influencers are all saying some version of this, this whar
is actually going to be over in a matter of weeks,
so then then we'll just move on. It's just truly
like inn l you know, like of the highest order,

(28:04):
like from those in the diplomacy military world are all
calling this a strategic defeat, and you're like, oh, yeah
it was. I mean, like that's where you end up
worse off than where you started, and somehow your adversary
is now in a stronger position than when you started.
That's called a strategic defeat. You completely self owned and

(28:28):
now you know, Iran is like, oh, maybe we'll just
start taking tolls through the straight of Horn moves I
mean this yeah, why not? Well why not? Like the
US is completely blundering. What's to stop anyone? So yeah,
unclear how this is going to end, but Trump seems
to be like looking for a way to cut his
losses and act like everything is fine.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
And then in the meantime it's I think conservatively over
fifteen hundred Iranian civilians are.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Dead because of the US and Israel. I just I've felt, like,
I mean, the way that this war has been spoken
about online versus other conflicts I found very I'm curious
what you both think about it, because I feel like
it's both very under discussed and also, you know, obviously

(29:15):
this is in conversation with so much of what the
US and Israel have been doing together for years and years,
but particularly over the.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Last couple of years. And I'm not the.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
People who were vehemently defending Israel's genocide and Gaza and
the us is involvement with it are awfully quiet about Iran,
almost as if it is indefensible and incoherent like what
they're doing. But I'm maybe it's just like my feet

(29:50):
in particular, but I'm not even seeing an attempt at defending.
It's just sort of a like I close my eyes
and I don't see it, which of course doesn't.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I feel like I've seen the appetite to defend, at
least people who were huge defenders of like the IDF
and everything militaristically that Israel does, like that enthusiasm, like
just on a continuum, has just gone consistently down. And
I just even with this, I didn't there were Obviously
you do get the people who are completely bought into

(30:20):
every day again and they're like, no, this is to
ensure the safety of not just the US, but Israel
and people like.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
And it's just spread democracy and also to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Also, and did you hear there's one homophobic person and
and that's why we had to kill two hundred chiltern
that whole.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Meanwhile, you found out I don't know if you remember
that thing where like there was a headline about how
US intelligence had like some kind of learned that the
new Iatola was gay or had like a relationship with
a man, and like that was completely just manufactured because
the shitheads in the White House are like that might
be like a weird thing to put out because like
the like they would maybe people would be accepting. So

(30:57):
I don't know, let's just throw anything out. Absolute nonsense, Yeah,
completely incoherent.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, and this isn't exactly a spicy hot take.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
But the fact that in I think Trump went going in,
maybe he personally thought it would be a Maduro situation.
Will kill the Itola, we'll get in, we'll get out,
and then it will just do a little regime change.
But it seems pretty clear that it's not Israel's goal
and the fact that you know, they went on to
kill like the second and third and fourth person in
the line of succession.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Uh, and that Trump was like, Oh, I don't know
who's gonna run the country. They're all they're all dead.
I didn't know Israel is going to do that.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
The one we are talking to got killed, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
But there's also there was a report from The Guardian
at the end of February that there are also Israeli
strikes on the home of mir Hussein Massabi, who helped
lead the Green Revolution back in the two thousands.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
So he's he's like one of the most credible opposition figures.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
In Iran who yeah, you know, has organized for well,
he's been a house rest for twenty eight But the
fact that they're even going after opposition suggests that like,
Israel's goal isn't to put a better government in place,
like they want Aron to become a failed state.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
They prefer to have a failed state than anything, and
that's that's a victory for them. And get for Trump
and the Pentagon, I'm sure. I mean, obviously, the people
who have been in the war business song enough for like, dude,
we're gonna get pulled. This is we're getting pulled into
some nonsense. But they can't tell that to Trump because
they'll throw a fit, and they have to keep just
presenting it as like, here's some things that blew up

(32:33):
today and we're doing good. Okay, there's no other dimensions
to really consider.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
We blew up a girls' school, but it was just
collateral damage. It was an accident, so we can move
on from AI.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
It was the AI made a mistake, and you come
to find out like there was an analysis that was
botched by like the programs they were using, Like, oh my.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
God, I the AI.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
The AI excuse is so busy are where you're just
like I thought you wanted to to to like that,
like I recognize that it's a.

Speaker 6 (33:04):
Lie, but yeah, And they just did their whole big
sales pitch about why they need to move from anthropic
to open eyes so they can use AI for the military,
and then they say, oh, but military isn't very good
at using AI.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
It turns out, yeah, which is it? Yeah, how about you,
how about you just come to grips of the fact
that the AI is bullshit to start off and stop
propping up that entire you know, leg of the economy
that's built on AI growth.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Let's call it a bubble, not a leg.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bubble leg. Unfortunately, that whole
all your weight is on a you think it's a leg,
it's a bubble. So I wouldn't put all my weight
on there, just because if that goes poof, you're gonna
take a big tumble, because I mean that was yeah
with the Sora announcement, and a lot of people were like, oh,
your little video slop machine down, but here it was.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
It was so satisfied seeing that announcement, being like, hey,
if you made something on.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
So it was meaningful, you're so valid.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
And then everyone was like, no, it didn't.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Like it was.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Montage of Sam Alton getting kicked in the balls here
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Right exactly, yeah, or just like those dancing JD Man
JD Vans rames or whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
You're like those those images you made of Mickey Mouse,
like fucking Lightning McQueen's tailpipe.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
That was so valid.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
It is valid, but you should pay a real artist.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's and that's still more impressive to
be like, no, I commissioned this sloppy art.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Being a private like that should be financially ruinous to you,
and it should and it should keep an artist life.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Exactly, just to talk about like possible exits here, because
I think to start off, every foreign policy person was
when the attack started. They're like, you have no off
ramp now because you've put the entire Irani in government
in an existential moment now, And there is no off
ramp if you are in an exist if you are

(35:07):
cornered in an existential situation, there is no there is
And again, but the escalation is gonna be straight of
horror moves. Now, what are you gonna do? You can't
do anything unless you just meaninglessly kill a bunch of people,
and people not many people in the US have the
appetite for that, as the polling suggests. And now you're
dealing with the fall out of the gas prices, which

(35:28):
Trump has to fully fucking own. So the Wall Street
Journal report a few days ago quote President Trump told
AIDS he's willing to end the US military campaign against Iran,
even if the straight of horror moves remains largely close.
He decided that the US should achieve its main goals
of hobbling Iran's navy and its missile stocks and wind
down current hostilities, while pressuring Tran diplomatically to resume the

(35:49):
free flow of trade. If that fails, Washington would press
allies in Europe and the Gulf to take the lead
on reopening the strait. So they now want to act
like a puppy who shits all over your house, makes
everything unaffordable, and then says, all right, I'm gonna take off.
This is all your mess, right, you got this cool?

(36:10):
Cool heg Seth is now making all kinds of sounds
about how he like, you know, being asked by his
own Pentagon press corps that are all hand picked stooges,
mind you, and like a lot of times you see
Pete Hegseth up there and he's like, here's the thing
you gotta understand. You think, like, oh shit. Some journalists
get in there and ask like hard questions like no,
these are your own SIKA fans who are just asking

(36:32):
like basic questions that they think, yeah, you gotta be
able to answer this, right. This is when he was
asked about like okay, so given this idea that like,
you know, Trump also said, it's like it's up to
you now, England, go get your own oil. He's like,
I've already laid waste to the whole place. You just
got to go and get it. Heg Seth was asked like, okay,

(36:52):
so you're saying it's everyone's responsibility for the mess that
we created, and here's his answer about you know, who
should do what now.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I think the President was clear this morning.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
It is truth that there are countries around the world
who ought to be prepared to step up on this
critical waterway as well. It's not just the United States Navy.
Last time I checked, there was supposed to be a big,
bad Royal Navy that could be prepared to do things
like that as well. So he's pointing out what.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Is the point of that, like trying to shame the
UK And last time I checked Royal Navy, that's a
fraction of our fucking name our navy. Because we spend
so much goddamn money on the military, it pales in
comparison to our navy, Like it's not even comparable. But
he's still doing this thing of like right last I heard,

(37:46):
it's like yeah, you like it's like you set someone's
out like you're like an apartment complex on fire and
you're like, oh my god, you're gonna put us Like,
I don't know, dude, last time I heard you guys
got a fire hose up there. Maybe you should do something. Yeah,
I started it and I'm not gonna do anything about it.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
This is the whole thing with NATO that he like
fundamentally doesn't understand because he's always been like, oh, like,
we're putting more into NATO than anyone else. It's not
fair not understanding that that was a strategic thing that
US did on purpose back in the fifties and sixties,
thinking oh, if we invest in.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
NATO, we can have the weege dominant military power.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
Right yeah, And so they don't have a military because
of US foreign policy goals.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah yeah, but I didn't know that, right, probably.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Say well, this is this is besides the point. But
just in the source tweet there on truth social do
you call your post truth?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Do you sure?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Do?

Speaker 1 (38:40):
He shared his truth this morning because I was like, at.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
First it sounds religious.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
It is, yeah, it's like in his truth this morning,
I'm like that sounds like something a priest would say it.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
But then I was like, oh, that's just what it's
like the equivalent of a tweet.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yep, and you read truth.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
I think you read truth.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, you reach reach and I read truth. That truth.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm gonna walk into the ocean. Yeah, that's brutal.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
I'm happy that I've made it this far without acquiring
that knowledge, but really devastating to know that that's what's
going on over there.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I mean, because then he was even asked to like
a simple question about like, you know, the president's acting
like the objectives have been achieved. That it's right, it's
a success. So what does that mean for? Like what
the end is here? This is him just being like
it could be it could be anything.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Guidance and things were military objectives that were moving toward
and things that we look at, and has he articulated.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
This wind up? You can just tell he's so full
of shit, you know what I mean? And then just
like objectives and you're like, you're you're gonna you're about
to just say a dumb lie to me, but okay,
you're saying a lot of words. Okay, points for that
calculated you.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Know, he said four to six weeks, six to eight
weeks three, it could be any any particular number, but
we would never reveal precisely what it is because our
goal is to finish those objectives and and we're well
on our way. And the Truman and I look at
this every single day. It will be the president's determination
and the president's determination alone.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
That's not true, but go ahead.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Also, it's he's saying, we have a we have a
real number, but we're not gonna tell you because it's secret,
and it'll be whenever the president decides.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
So is there a real number?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
It's there is, it's the one the president decides, But
we won't even tell you, dude, because that would be
dumb if we told you we were going to be
done in two weeks. You get that? Get that?

Speaker 4 (40:29):
It all makes sense when you think it.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, yeah, seriously, what a fucking frightening prospect. So that's
the state of things right now. The blundering continues at
the expense of human life. And I mean the build
the troop build up in the region is terrifying. There's
like over I think over fifty thousand troops right there
in the region, and you already have people be like
they're not gonna do anything. It's just trying to show

(40:53):
for it's just this is what you do. You pull
your fist back and you're like, oh, don't make me
kill all these innocent, enlisted people. I'll do it too. Yeah.
It's I mean, that's the part that's like really terrifying,
because yeah, the president is such a narcissist and egomaniac
and he's senile and has no grasp of what the

(41:14):
actual situation is. That it's purely whatever like sort of
very overly positive description that he's being fed by heg
Seth or other people in his cabinet to be like
they're like, don't fucking know them.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
This is the worst fucking thing that ever happened. You
say it, we blew something up and that was good
or else he's going to fucking lose it. And that's
the person who has the ultimate decision here.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And that's all right.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
It's like someone who we demonstrably know is very happy
to kill innocent people to save face.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, Well let's take a quick
break and when we come back, we'll talk about just
those social media verdicts being actually pretty bad if you
take the longer view on it, and we'll do that
right after this and we're back. So As I mentioned

(42:12):
up top last week, we talked about the decision that
was made or the jury verdict against Meta and Google
that they were found quote negligent in the design and
operation of their platforms. The case was brought by a
young women who'se addiction to their social media platforms quote
exacerbated her depression, anxiety, body dysmorphia and you know, thoughts

(42:33):
of self harm. And you know, at the time, people
are like, oh yeah, I mean, we've all seen the
different But there's like the Meta whistleblower who was like, no, no, no,
everybody at the company knows how bad this is. We
just have to ignore it because it's all about engagement
and revenue. So by oh no, no, we know it's bad,
Like we won't even let our own kids use this crap.

(42:54):
So on the surface, seems like a win, right, because
we're sort of in this era where it feels like corporations,
especially tech companies, like running rough shot over everything in
our rights included. So big tech company punished for profiting
off children suffering that I think that could work again.
Shout out to everybody who brought my attention to really

(43:16):
like the larger issue here, and also there's a great
video from Taylor Lorenz and Cat ten Barge from Smithfire
News for calling like just total bullshit, especially on how
the mainstream media was covering it, because the narrative was
so misleading, like if you the headlines were like whoa
Shoote's decision going against these social media companies. I fell
for it hook line and Sinker because I.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Think it was effective.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
I mean it's like, I think it's partially because it
benefits from everyone's like the general understanding that.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, and the desire to see literally anyone, any institution
care about it.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
So it's like, I don't know, I fell for it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I think also we're such an in an era where
we're trying to find some green shoots of hope emerging
that feels like, Okay, we can fucking hold onto this.
Maybe this can turn into something. But again, like I
think off Mike Jamie, he were saying, it's like now
there's like we can't even believe there's ever fucking good
news anymore because it's like it's shrouded in some other things.

(44:18):
So I also talked about how there was a decision
in New Mexico where meta Facebook was you know, they
had to pay a fine like three hundred and seventy
five million for you know, not adequately protecting children. Well,
that case in New Mexico stemmed from an investigation into
child predators on Facebook that was called and I'm not joking,
Operation metaphile. So yeah, exactly, Yeah, they take child endangerment

(44:42):
seriously because we're doing mad magazine punts. Okay, that's that's
that's how you know this is a real thing. And
again I'm not trying to defend Meta or Facebook, but
their reps were even pointing out that the sting operation
was pretty pretty more unethical to begin with and and
involved in trapping people with real life pictures of actual
children obtained without their consent. But their defense against that

(45:07):
to be like, well it was fine because those kids
quote lived outside of the United States Jesus Christ, which
is such like an American view of like, oh, American children,
that's one thing. And even then there's that's that's not.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Even there's a lot of asterisks about what we consider American.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, or children or children or children or life. You know,
it's like because we don't do anything with mass shootings,
but it's it's so selective. It's fucking disorienting.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
The second that I started to like read the story,
You're like, oh, of course there's nothing to feel good about.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Of course this is like, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
We gotcha with other kids pictures. And it wasn't because
I thought, you know, it wasn't because they like found
crimes or something. They were just like, we're doing it
to catch a predator operation, and this is how it's
going to work related all this this.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
So this is here saying maybe that maybe I've fully
misunderstood something here, But I was reading about how Heritage
Foundation is actually one of the big groups pushing for
mandating teen accounts, you know, for on Instagram, Facebook, and
it's part of their like their forty year plan, the
same way as they started in the eighties, their plans
to overturn row. They want to start with teen accounts,

(46:16):
and they want to start with banning porn, and that
that eventually leads to banning no cause, no fault, divorce
and restricting women's ability to make decisions.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah. I mean everything is just to take out any
ability for people to have community over something or whatever,
especially with the Internet. I think they found that that's
like a huge thing because they're losing the propaganda wars.
I mean, like right, even like even broadly, like the US,
Like there was a thing Marco Rubio sent out to
all the embassies saying, like you need to begin engaging
locals who will amplify America's stories because like we have

(46:50):
to battle the disinformation that exists about America. And you're like, sir,
they're eating the dogs. Yeah, what do you mean, what
do you mean they're the only The only way out
of this is if you change some shit, like on
an actual, you know, policy level. It's not because you're
gonna get people doing selfie videos like at the fucking
mall at DC, like this is such a beautiful country,

(47:12):
Like no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Did you see that?

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Trump said the other day that communism doesn't work in theory,
but it does work in practice in China.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
No, pretty magnificent.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
There's so much stuff like, oh my god, every day
there's something it's funny too, like my appetite for like
whenever he says dumb stuff, it's it's fallen off really
hard in like the last two months. Like there's still
some stuff where he says some dumb shit, and other
times I'm like this guy's just saying fucking crazy shit
all the time because he's needs. He shouldn't be anywhere

(47:47):
near anything like decision making only things you just figure
out how if you want large fries or a large
diet coke when you got a McDonald's, like do that.
Stay the fuck away from everything else. But so the
big outcomes with these trials, those two trials specifically, is
that they will ultimately benefit the same tech companies they
ostensibly punished, and also some of the worst people on

(48:08):
the planet. So, for one thing, in all of these cases,
the plaintiffs were pushing for online age verification to quote
better protect kids. And we've talked about how like online
age verification laws are like a disastrous and they also
just help giant companies like Google and Facebook because quote
they are the only entities with the resources to build

(48:30):
costly compliance systems and absorb potentially massive fines. So smaller platforms,
on the other hand, will simply be forced to shut
down because they can't comply with these new laws. And
this already happened in the UK, like with their Online
Safety Act. There was like just one specific example, like
a place called hamster Forum had to shut down because
it just didn't have the means to have all the

(48:52):
compliance systems in place, and they were merely the quote
home of all things hamstry.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Can't have a safe space with hamster Forum, what do
we have, Well, it was the point of the internet.
If Hamster Forum can't thrive.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
For Bilk's sake, you'll remember twenty years ago when when
we were all kids growing up and we were told like,
never put your real information on the Internet, like it
is for your own personal safety.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You have to be anonymous. And then now let's to
go on fucking hamster dot com.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
You gotta give them, you have to say, you have
to give them your social Security number three drops of
blood to be like cute hamster.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah uh. And you know, and Meta they love a
bit of age verification. There was a person on Reddit
we made headlines when they exposed Meta funneled quote over
two billion dollars through shadowy nonprofits to push age verification laws.
And they were doing this to shift responsibility to Apple
and Google's app stores rather than their own services. But again,

(49:56):
their goals don't seem that dissimilar from the plaintiffs, and
like in pushing for these things, and if Facebook is
forced to include age verification. That just means that they'll
have access to even more fucking data. This is like
the again, we know, this is how they make their
money on being like right, not only do I have

(50:16):
an idea who you are? I got your ID. Now
I got everything, Baby, It's not even I'm not even
guessing anymore. I know this is you and this is
what you are doing because.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Andrew you're talking to and who your network is.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Buying what you're buying, I can track all that, baby.
And again a lot of these age verifications, like surveillance
verification programs, are run by other odious tech companies.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
This is where I truly broke Yeah, and you're like,
there is where I broke here enters uh you know.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
The twenty twenty six is current anti Christ obsessed tech
oligarch Peter Teel. He backs He's a there's a Teal
backed company called Persona Identity and provides that provides the
company would quote extensive surveillance of users and appeers designed
to serve federal agencies like this has been used like

(51:10):
this is like at a time when Discord was potentially
going to use it, and then they were like, actually,
maybe we won't be using persona as now this has
come to life, come to light, And I think one
of the even bigger, even bigger concern is that the
precedents set by these cases weakened Section two thirty of
the Communications Decency Act of nineteen ninety six that states, quote,

(51:34):
with some exceptions, internet companies are not legally responsible for
the content they host if it was published there by
someone else. So if I go on Yelp and I'm like,
I got the worst diarrhea from Taco Bell, Taco Bell
and also Taco Bell, you know, I'd never get diarrhea
from you because we're tight.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Okay, been wacka Bell, I did different, Happily, I'll be back.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I'll be back, but I have to. That's my truth.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, yeah, and I get it, and hey, and that's
the beauty of the Internet. But again, if someone writes
something like that, Taco Bell can't they can't suit Yelp
because that was the place that this claim was made.
But the thing that these.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Last suits six words that made the Internet.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, right, the like the way these lawsuits were approached,
they didn't want to go they didn't want to tax
section two thirty directly. They began to sort of talk
about the addictive quote design. It's the design of the
apps that is actually flawed and needs to be reckoned with.
And this again allows them to sort of sidestep the

(52:42):
like sort of the the attacks on section two thirty
and again another pathway to censor content that quote unquote
harms children. And the judge in California bought the argument
and ruled that quote. Because the claims were about product
design and other non speech issues, section two thirty didn't apply.

(53:02):
Uh okay, I see so again non speech. Yeah, what
kind of content could be deemed harmful to minors? Well,
if you know section two thirty is you know, sort
of capped down to nothing, it's pretty clear when you
look at the people that are hurrahing it, it's it's
all bad. Like Senator Marshall Blackburn, you know, the Alliance

(53:25):
of a Better Future, which includes again influential people from
the Heritage Foundation, the Foundation for American and the Family
Policy Alliance all just anti LGBTQ, anti anything that's not
cis had white Christian America. These are the people who
are like, this is great, this is great. You know,

(53:46):
this is exactly what we need. And a lot of
people are like, oh cool, there was even the National
Center on Sexual Exploitation, and you're like, oh, oh okay,
maybe they're they're also haraying this.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
They're the same anti port group that used to be
called Morality and Media uh and previously went after Cosmopolitan
magazine for being quote hyper sexualized. That's that's their legacy.
And so you know, if internet sites are accountable to
the government for spreading content that's harmful the children, that will,

(54:18):
no doubt include LGBTQ plus content and anything else that
doesn't fall in line with the state's agenda, because then
they'll be able to say that a place where people
are offering support to young kids who are, you know,
having questions about their own identity or gender expression, they
can say, oh this someone is harming them in this
in this venue. And again, these are all the screws

(54:40):
they start to tighten to sort of just take away
the ability for people to have community, to exchange ideas,
and to even support each other just in a general
like human to human way.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Because when we've seen in Texas hlaries and policies like
that to actually take kids away from their families, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Exactly, Yeah, it's just it is.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Truly staggering to me how many of these issues and
rollbacks of rights, whether they're effectively framed as a win
or not, like boils down to how the American government
is classifying a child worth protecting and what the value
of a child is. I mean, we were talking about

(55:22):
it earlier of like, you know, how whatever, who do
we consider a child?

Speaker 4 (55:26):
A white cis child an American?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah? Yeah, but yeah, like to your point, it's it's
even doubly offensive because at the end, they don't give
a fuck about children at all. It's that's the that's
the rhetorical tactic they used to pull on people's heartstrings
to have them convinced that this is some kind of
a net positive for humanity, Because if you gave a
fuck about kids, then what where the fucks that were?
Is gun control? That If you gave a fuck about kids,

(55:52):
why are you raw rahing a genocide in Gaza? If
you gave a fuck about kids, Why are you turning
a blind eye to all the Epstein ship that's going on?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Why are you trying to remove for schoolunches?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah? Just at every level, right.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Like every major like policy, and the same thing with
conversion therapy. Yeah, like it is just like, who do
we can? Like the line that we're doing it for
the children isn't even working for people who would normally
fall for that, I think, and which kind of made
this story stand out to me because I felt myself

(56:25):
falling for it because they wanted to believe that we
were making a decision that could positively impact children and
we didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, it's yeah, just looking at the last couple of years, right,
like the just exchange of ideas and information about Palestine,
about documenting ice thugs and where they're at and what
they're up to Epstein files stuff that's all possible because
it's section two thirty, like, and you can tell when
they look at that, they're like, those are the kinds

(56:55):
of things that all of these like the tech billionaires
and just you know, moneyed classes that have a vested
interest in sort of eliminating that kind of speech or
that kind of communication. Are those values? They're like, yeah, bro,
this is this feels like a very efficient way to
just get to the heart of the matter. Because before

(57:16):
we've talked about all the time, all like the counter
propaganda that has to be put out there to try
and get people to see things one way, but unfortunately,
when people are just sort of confronted with the humanity
of a situation, they tend to only move in one direction,
which is towards their humanity and be like, well, this's
fucking bad. There's no amount of like hot soldiers you
can show me doing like TikTok dance challenges that's going

(57:38):
to change my fucking view on that, although they will
try so anyway, very very important issue to be thinking
about because also Marsha Blackburn just introduced a Trump America
ai Act, and inside this two hundred and ninety one
page document they tucked away a repeal of section two
thirty in there. So these are all things that we know,

(58:01):
just got to have another thing to throw on the
list of existential threats to.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
Our Maybe the other one one relevant thing to play
there is, you know section two thirty is it's an
American law, but a lot of American law about the
Internet affects the broader global internet right and internationally, like
shit like the Arab Spring happened because section two thirty
protected speech like that on Twitter. And so when you
think about organizing against authoritarian fascist regimes here or overseas.

(58:29):
When these platforms have an excuse to start or a
mandate to start taking down speech like that, it's pretty
easy to imagine that spiraling out of control.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, and then we're all going to be talking in
weird code words. What would be the next evolution of
our doubles?

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, I love everything that is happening right now. Oh shit,
he said that, I know what that really means. Well, Colin,
thank you so much for joining us on the dailyeit Geist.
A pleasure and an honor. Where did the people find you?
Follow you, consume your show, your other work, and is
there a work of media you've been enjoying social media

(59:07):
or otherwise traditionally even Yeah?

Speaker 6 (59:08):
Yeah, Well, so, first of all, folks should follow our podcast,
The Future of Our Former Democracy. We're finishing up our
second season right now. Each season explores how another country
does their elections and why it might be relevant to
us in the US. So the current season's looking at Germany.
And so if you think, oh, how does a government
respond to a growing fascist state and build something new

(59:31):
that comes afterwards? Hopefully there's some lessons that you can
draw from that. And on our YouTube channel, we just
put out a documentary American Troubles, a Tale of Two
Democracies that looks at the island of Ireland and Portland,
Oregon for similar reasons. So those are both, I think
genuinely more or less positive stories that give you maybe

(59:52):
a little glimmer of hope of how something could be better.
So maybe that's nice. You should also set up for
a mailing list at more Equitable Democracy. Our website's Equitable
Democracy to o RG or a five O one C
three nonprofit. We'd love to get more folks on the
Maryland list. And if you want to follow me personally,
I'm on Blue Sky at Colin J. Cole and I'm

(01:00:12):
on Instagram at relican r E L I K E N.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Okay, what is that a reference to something that is
way back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
In like nineteen ninety nine when I was playing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
StarCraft, all these people had cool names and I wanted
a cool name, so I just put some syllables together
that I thought sounded cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, and I've been using it achieved.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I was what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Is that a location? Yeah? No, I was actually looking
at a Pelican and I just said, what if that's right?
Are the relic it is? Yeah? I used to call
my friend by his what's the what's the other one?
After StarCraft Warcraft Warcraft? His name was dnribor uh, and

(01:00:56):
we used to always call him Dendribor and he never
lived it down because he shared it once and he's like,
I'm a night elf, and I'm like, dentri boor, what
are you talking about? Shout out to dentro Bor. I
hope you're listening. Is there a work of media you're enjoying?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Cong Yeah, So I'll give a traditional media, The Pit.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
You gotta watch it. So it's it's a medical drama
co created by Noah Wiley, who was on Er. Here's
my forty five second sales pitch for The Pit. My
partner works in healthcare and spent a number of years
working at the emergency department in our Seattle area largest hospital.
And whenever she would come home from work and I'd
be like, oh, like, what happened today, She'd be like, oh,

(01:01:37):
I fucking can't tell you, Like too much happened for
me to be able to explain. And this show each
season is just a one, you know, twelve hour ship
to the hospital, she and many other healthcare workers say,
is actually pretty accurate. To the pace at which things move,
and she was able to say, oh, like, you know,
all those times you ask like what happened, I couldn't
tell you. Watch the whole season of the show and

(01:01:59):
then imagine that was one day at work and ask
me what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It's really good and it's.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
They I mean, if you like Gray's Anatomy and people
having sex in the room closet, you don't get much
of that, but it is confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Hospital. I'm like, well, no, I'm talking about for that.
I know, I know, I know. That's yeah, yeah, I
can't tell you what happened today.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
I could never watch highly competent people being good at
their jobs, really great acting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
You just check it out. I love the I like
the first season. The second one. The writing is too aggressively,
like on the note, like it's like trying to be
like this, Like it's almost like they're looking in the
camera and telling you something. And I'm like, Okay, we
can do this a little bit more elegantly. But I'll
keep watching because I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Like, not not that you're wrong, but media literacy in
this country.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Is really bad, and I think people were missing the
first season all of the stuff just went over them.
They're like right, like, hey, hey, hey, you're looking at me. Okay,
so that's bad what happened, right, Okay, this is why
sickle cell anemia needs to be talked about more in
mainstream media. But I did appreciate that though, and I

(01:03:09):
love as like a kid who grew up on er
seeing no. I would have been cool to see if
that if they actually got because the whole thing was
they were supposed to make that like a that was
the idea. R oh man, he could have saw George Clooney.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
You know, the same thing about with the dumbing down
language happened with the boys where they found out like
people were uncritically thinking Homelander was a good guy, and
so they had to be like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Okay, fine, we're gonna make it really obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
That he's bad. Yeah. Yeah, Now like like, is there
like a high media literacy cut? I can see, Yeah,
I don't need that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
You can pass a test like I can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
You can handle the nuance.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
The nuance cut.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah, in fact, I'm a lover of nuance. That would
be fantastic. Yeah. Every healthcare professional I know, like you
know Jack's wife, she's also like a doctor they're all like,
it's it's so I don't need to watch it, like
it's you know, spot On, but don't need to watch it.
It's it's Yeah, they're they're doing they're capturing it. Jamie,
how about you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Oh man. First of all, just lovely to be back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
I'm mainly on Instagram right now at Jamie christ Superstar
to this morning. We the Unhoused podcast I produce that
is created and hosted by Theo Henderson, was nominated for
its second WEBB I'm very, very excited for THEO and
for our whole team. So if you have a second

(01:04:40):
having zech gang in the in the votes would be terrific.
You can vote every day from today until April sixteenth.
And yeah, it's and if you haven't listened to We
the Unhoused, it's the best show in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
It's I think. I'm just I'm so proud to be
a part of it. THEO has.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
If you're not familiar with the show, THEO started it
when he was living unhoused on the streets of la
in twenty nineteen, started making the show on his phone
and has since grown the show into this platform where
not only are stories that affect the Unhoused discussed every
single week, but also the un house share their own

(01:05:21):
perspectives and their own stories, which is still I wish
that there were more shows like that, but as far
as I know, it is still kind of the only
one for sure. I like you definitely check it out
if you haven't, and if you've got a second to
vote for the show and the Webbys, that would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah. We will put a link to the Webby's voting
in the footnotes, so you know, to make sure you
check that out so you can cast your vote. Is
there any work and media that you're enjoying, Jamie, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Was thinking of I just wanted to generally recommend the
comedy of my good friend Kylie Vincent. She's over at
on Instagram at k Vincent has Risen. I was thinking
of her because of the pit recommendation where she has
been doing a lot of stand up but she was

(01:06:10):
recently diagnosed with MS and has been performing and sort
of talking about that on stage. And I visited her
in the hospital when she was in the process of
getting this diagnosis, and I live in Burbank. She was
at a hospital nearby, and every single medical professional that
entered the room.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Was like, hey, did you know that we shoot the
pit next door?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Because I guess that there's like a wing of like
a shut down wing of the hospital where they shoot
the pit. It's not like generally on a sound stage
like you would expect, but every single part, like Kylie,
we were you could set a watch by it. Kylie
was like, whoever walks in her next I don't care
who the fuck it is, They're gonna start talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
The pit, and I'm gonna get mad because they're like,
have you seen the pit? It's really good?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
Did you need a Mandarin translator? Maybe the wrong room?
Did you know that?

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Sorry, but you know what? You shot the pit here right? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
It make it makes me laugh every single day since
it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Where Kylie very kindly said to whoever it was, with
all due respect, I'm not really trying to decompress by
learning about a freak medical shay right now. Not really
my idea of a good time currently my lived experience.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
So I just she is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
She's so funny, and so you know, check out her work.
She's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Amazing you can find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
I'm talking about ninety Day Fiance on four to twenty
Day Fiance, I'm talking about English football soccer on Ain't
at Footy with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. Check that
out and appreciate everybody who's checked out the new show.
A work of media. I like, uh, it's it's just

(01:07:49):
a post from at okay, but still that guys dot
Social in parenthesis says completely humiliating myself and ruining everything.
All right, let's wind thing all right, let's wind this
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