Worst People In Charge Of Everything, Sam Altman Gets Ronan Farrow-ed 04.08.26

In episode 2037, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and actor who you can see in the new film Mermaid, Johnny Pemberton, to discuss… More Mixed Reactions From The Right, Are Vance/Rubio Leaking To The Press? Sam Altman Just Got Ronan Farrow-ed and more!

1. Mixed Reactions From The Right
2. Even MORE Mixed Reactions From The Right
3. All about OpenAI's dramatic firing and rehiring of CEO and why it could mean greater scrutiny
4. Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted?
5. Johnny Pemberton's Piece of Media: Philly Street Art: Is This What They Call A Social Circle?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Johnny anything you want me to call out when.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
In promote sort of thing. Yes, definitely this movie Mermaid
that comes out. I guess it comes out sneak previous
come out April eighth, and then it's going to be
in other theaters later. But we're also going to be
in Florida touring the movie in the Mermaid called Mermaid
straight up Mermaid, No s Mermaid. A lot of people
say Mermaids, but that.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Is because of you want to do it, won't do it?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, because people want multiple mermaids. You know you want
you want that so.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Greedy they get greedy when they flash.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well this is the the thirty years later you can
dip back in again. Very different splash though.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
But that movie, No, I Find a Mermaid. It's like,
it's not it's not a pretty mermaid.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It's a creature.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's like a shape of Water kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Like Shape of Water sort of meets Lars and the
real girl.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
That's why I was doing one of these like in
Shape of War.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, this guy is you have Well I don't think
there's there's none of that going on.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Oh yeah good, Yeah, that's good, and that's good because
that's not what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, but that's what you should be thinking. Everyone does
think that.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
No, I'm not in the weird Cryptid established that right
up top Yeah, but it's definitely on the table establishing that.
I just felt like, I Am not fucking this murment
you direct to can't like the way Tom Cruise introduces
top Gun and he's like, thank you so much for
coming to this film. I think you're gonna really love it.
You you addressing the camera being like, I am not

(01:39):
going to be fucking this. I know what you're thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I might be. You have to watch it because there
is there is some romantic tension there because this guy
is super high on on pills, so he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Person looking amazing. Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season
four thirty three, Episode three of Turned EILY'SAI Guys, What's
a production of iHeartRadio as a podcast where we take
a deep dive into America's shared consciousness through the day's news.

(02:14):
We also have a new non news history version of
TDZ dropping each Monday morning. Recently we have done the
Easter Bunny and Lisa Frank and we got a got
a humdinger coming on. Maybe the most famous icon of
my lifetime the highest heights. Okay, we will say those

(02:36):
episodes are on Monday mornings. They get icon in the
title there. They're a little bit of fun. It is Wednesday,
April eighth, twenty twenty sixth. It's April eighth.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That means it's National Empanada Day, draw a Bird Day,
International Kids Yoga Day, National What is this zoo Lover's Day?
Shout at the zoos.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Said Frank said one of her greatest things for inspiration
was looking at magazines and going to the zoo. Oh
really that will be time.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, get it, get into your Lisa Frank bag. And
also it's just a baby massage day for all you know,
people who got newborns.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
You know, just just kid yoga and baby massage. Yeah,
settle down April seventh, April eighth, Fuck yeah, just dude.
My kid does yo.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
They do like I mean, they do quote unquote yoga
at his daycare. But it's just basically like, hey, can
y'all touch your toes for like ten like ten seconds,
be screaming.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
You're on the side scoffing.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I'm still not like a parent where I'm like, oh
that's wonderful. I'm still like an adult looking at babies. One,
This ship ain't yoga. You're talking about that yoga.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
It's about charge, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's yoga.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Actually, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
If you like to do the other version of yoga,
it's additional one hundred dollars an hour.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh god, is everyone doing it? Yeah, everyone's doing it.
All these other kids are. They're on a one way
track to Harvard.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Like, how flexible that three year old is? Huh, that's
all because of the yoga, not because they're three years old.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I love seeing a three year old do the warrior pose,
you know, standing in handing your power three year old.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
I think if I did see it kid earnestly, like
going through a whole vinyasa flow, I would probably be
fucked up to see something like a kid with that
kind of dissip At least my kid's age, because at
that age they are the tension span is nil.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's good though, doing little what's the tree this one
where you got like one foot the other foot's on
the I think that's tree post tree posse. Yeah, my kids,
my kids like doing that. That one's stuck from their
three year.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Old or Jethrow Tall You know, playing the flute. He
liked to get on one foot when he's ripping that flute. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I like I watched Jethro Tall videos just like the
flute just will get like get the fucking foot right
on that knee and just ripping that flute one legged,
one leg, like.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
With his foot like you know, in the four position.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's such a.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Weird thing to do in any context. That's yeah, yeah,
also a weird thing to know mine I was doing.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I was so there was a phase like in college
where I was only like, once I started watching the
Woodstock documentary, I was only into weird like sixties and
seventies performance videos because in my mind, I was like,
these guys are all on drugs, and that's a way
for me to feel like I'm on drugs.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
If I'm presuming everyone is on drugs. And you probably
weren't totally wrong about that. Yeah. When I was eight,
I was really into guns and Roses and this guy
worked with my dad started making me jeth Row told
he was like a jet Row Toll evangelist. He was like, Oh,
you think guns and Roses is cool, You're gonna love

(05:47):
this band fronted by a flute.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
And like you're gonna love Ian Anderson.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, I just I couldn't. I couldn't do it. And
he was very disappointed, this man in his thirties.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
We now, though, how do you fell down now about
Jethro tol Yeah, I'm not a toll I'm not a.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Tollman, not a toll house. Dang, resident, dang, I don't
know I fucked that up. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien
ak video game or war criminal video game or war
criminal abbot can't tell them apart he won't rewind on

(06:26):
the scroll bar. Oh. This goes on for forty five minutes,
that one, courtesy of snarfu Law on the Discord. In
reference to the fact that Abbot Greg Abbott can't keep
sharing video game clips and being like, I'm proud of
our troops. Goddamn serious shared a video from the Sega

(06:47):
Genesis Sonic two. Now it's like kind of advanced war
video games that he is being fooled by because he's
old and does not know how wow smeworks. Yeah, but
there's one video game that is extreme, like is fooling everyone,
like a lot of the war footers that's getting passed

(07:09):
around on the internet is what's that game called arm
A three Warhammer three? Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined
as always three Rather sorry if I didn't mean to
mash up to arm with three.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Thrill to be joined as always by my co host,
mister Miles Gray.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's Miles Gray AKA. She's a Johnny girl living in
a Jesus world. She took the crazy train to the carpet.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Justin in peace born, but a lot of make is born.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
He took the baby train.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Jesus told him to.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Actually shout out to SNAr if you love for that one,
because we had to put together that Paulo white Caine,
who is the Jesus lady that's always liked Trump is
Jesus God told me that so that she is married
to the keyboard player of Journey.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Oh for really yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah. That's that's man.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's that's that's where that AKA comes from.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Such shadows keyboard player. It will always disappoint you, man. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Well, the original one is the guy who started the band,
isn't there? So this is a usurper who's.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh, this isn't even the real This is like the
new the replacement parts the ship of thieves Journey keyboard exactly,
so it is the ship of theseus, theseus. Yeah, what huh?
What do what do? What? Who? They don't? They don't

(08:42):
got any of the original members? Can you even call
them Journey anymore?

Speaker 4 (08:47):
I think I think Neil shown is I think one
of the originals. Anyway, there was there's a whole beef
because they both own the brand of Journey, but they're
both politically on opposite ends of the spectrum. But they
can't fire each other because of the business agreement over
the trademark, so they're just like having to begrudgingly perform

(09:07):
for money.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
M Yeah, sounds tough, Miles. We're thrilled to be joined
in our three scenes. A very funny actor, comedian, podcast
host streamer, one of our very favorite guests on this podcast.
You know him in a while, the son of Zorn,
Superstore twenty one and twenty two, Jump Street Twitch. You
can catch him which on stand up stages near you,

(09:31):
just check his website, and in the new movie Mermaid
coming soon to a theater near you. It is a
brilliant the talented Johnny Pemberton, Oh Mark.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Way Mullinton he's got a big neck with not much
in his head. He likes to wear suits. He likes
to take shits inside of the Capitol toilet's.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Tal there you go. Oh that was pretty just forget.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think I found that off.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
The top man. You did it? You did that? Oh
oh oh for the Mark Wayne Mullen time. M hm, Hey,
beautiful voice.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm a big Mark Wayne guy.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So Mark Wayne, and you pronounce it Mark Wayne, not Mark.
I pronounced it Mark Wwayne, Mark Kaine, Markhwayne.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Wayne, Yes, Wain as you should.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, as well, my boy.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
Wow, that's my boy.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
That's why Mark right before a gun.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I just picture you.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Bye, I'm out of here.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
It'd be so funny if he was your boy and
you're like, hey, do something's wrong with the Wi Fi?
He just comes into your frame behind you connected this one?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
All right? Yeah, you can fix it.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Fix it, Mark, fix it, Mark Wayne, God que you
call him quain me some more old meal, queen, Queen.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
You anything to not talk about whatever is happening in
the world right now. You know, it's great because, honestly,
as we were, we still don't know if Donald Trump
has gone full fuck mode.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
We don't know if we'll be alive when this episode drops.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Probably I think the news that often. I think it
leaks into my life. Yeah, I'm always like, I mean,
I guess I do check it, but I feel like
I don't check it that much. But sometimes this up
to comes into my life when I'm not looking for it,
just like what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, he's been threatening a massive like to wipe out
the civilization of the Iranian people in a single night,
which some have some interpreted. I don't know where they
got this idea. It's a threat of starting a nuclear war.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
He can't, he can't do it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
He just can't. You don't think he's up. You don't
think he's up for it.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I think it's all those things where it's like, uh,
someone's trying to start the wave at a funeral where
no one's gonna They're like, uh, well, you know, he's
like the one.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Guy like.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, it's just not gonna happen, seth just standing next
to each other, just standing up and down like and
then nobody else following.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I mean, no one else is doing it.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Just based on this New York Times story, it looks
like people are starting to the starting.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
To say, which is great. Right, it's great. It's I mean,
that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
It's like, you know, like when you see someone so
insecure and they get humiliated in public, you're they're gonna
go I think they're gonna lash out. They're gonna crash
out like a fucking like we've never seen, because I
don't expect this person to suddenly find the self awareness
and security to be like and you know what, that
was a mistake I made And I mean wouldn't even

(12:49):
like he.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
They they put Biden out to pasture in the most
gentle way possible, and he's still like when you saw
interviews with him, like a week after he made the decision,
he's like, I never should have done that. She's gonna
fuck it up. Look at look at her like just
so times like, imagine what this guy, how he's going act.
So anyways, we're we're gonna look at some more mixed

(13:10):
reactions from the right with regards to that. And then
this New New York Times report on the inside an
inside view of how we got to how he got
into the war with Iran that's pretty terrifying, not not
super reassuring. And then, in keeping with the theme of
the worst possible people being in charge of the exact

(13:33):
thing you wouldn't want them to be in charge of.
We're gonna look at the new Ronan pharaoh profile of
sam Altman. It's not as doesn't have the big smoking gun,
but it has a bunch of details that are just
add up to an interesting picture of the head of

(13:54):
chat GPT. Who is Yeah, it seems like just a
real who kind of is in ways that would be
make you be like, well, that's what he would be
the last draft pick if I had to pick somebody
to be in charge of the future of AI.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay, Yeah, that guy really just has the what's it called,
like a global criminal vibe, like a bond villain, just
has no idea how life.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Works at all.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think, like you make reservations at a restaurant by
showing up claiming you have reservations. Yes, no, you don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
It's like, oh, really right, no, but I do. There's
at one point where they're like, we need you to
stop lying about everything, and he's like, God, I can't
change my personality and it's unfair of you to ask
me to do that. Like literally, that's cool. Yeah, that
is kind of a next a next level of it's there.

(14:52):
There are just these personality disorders, these you know that
that are cheat codes to this version of the world,
which might might suggest that this version of the world
is not long for, like we might need to switch
switch things up. Try try a wacky one, guys. Let's
try a wacky one, because this one doesn't seem like

(15:13):
it's working all right. Before we get to any of
that bullshit, Johnny, we do like to ask our guests,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's super boring, but it's just I'm always looking at
this and it's I'm always looking at the leaf blower regulations.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
They are leaf blow.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, because I get so annoyed by leaf blowers, you know.
I just it's like the thing where even when I'm
like feeling really good, I'm feeling like I'm oh, I'm
in a good place right now, mentally you hear that
thing like why now, but I just found out that
I live in Burbank and uh, you.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Can't not you still can, but I think it's weird.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Burbank's also like the last holdout for that kind of bullshit.
It's like the well you can't take away my leaf
blowers kind of place.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
What's weird too, because there's another part too where like
places like Pasadena do it like and it's seen as
like sort of just hostile towards you know, like immigrant
gardeners who are like forcing them to buy new ship
to be like that's who we're gonna pick on because
I don't think I mean, yeah, Burbank has weird laws too,
where they're like, you can't have mylar balloons Burbank. Yeah, yeah,

(16:23):
you can't have mylar balloons that.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Markets like it's going to fuck up the power lines.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
I think there was an incident like that they've got
that was also one of the first.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Places was out in the ocean too. If you go
fishing enough, you see my lar balloons just like a mile.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Something about those balloons that it's really hard for them
to lose any air out of them.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, just like a rare earth element that just won't
leak right, those weather balloons out of.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Wait, so you're looking, are you in the market for
or you're just trying to be up on what the
leaf blower technology is out there?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well, not technology, but what the regulations are. I just
found out that Burbank is making gas power leaf blowers
fully illegal starting in twenty twenty seven. So I'm just
very excited about this.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So will they then switch over to battery powered leaf flowers?
I guess so.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean they made they made the law like last year,
because you have to have a long time pe people switch.
But you don't mention anything about like incentivizing. There should
be some sort of a thing where it's like you
can trade it in or you can like you know
what I mean, because like you're saying, it's like it's
deeply unfair to the people who are using the machines, right, Like,
there should be some sort of thing where it's like,

(17:31):
you know, you got to you can trade it in,
like like a gun buy back program.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, they convert it for you,
like they did with like the smog checks, you know
where they put something.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, they do it for you.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I have a plug in leaf flower, and it is
the best thing I own.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I know so many people who have leaf flowers that are.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Like, I fucking love my least about it. It's like
you're just how you're holding a fucking hurricane in your hand.
It's so great.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's the thing about it, man, Yeah, it really is has.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
As crazy like one time, one time I like left
the switch on by accident and then like plugged in
on the wall and it just it's like a jet
engine and the thing just started like flying across the yard. Wait. Yeah, yeah,
it was propelling because it's also like.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
The power down, honey.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Plug in one is it doesn't have a heavy battery.
It doesn't have like a big gas engine attached to it,
so it's pretty lightweight, and so that like goes fucking flying.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Are you like leaning into it like a Vietnam M
sixty gunner or something.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
No, it's just that the apparatus is very is very light,
so that that's how it's able to It's even given
you problems. Broke my wrist again like a cartoon character
on a fire hose. Need to get like a lawn
chair and some balloons start flying around. Yeah yeah, upstyle, Johnny.

(19:04):
What's something you thinks underrated?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
This is really dumb? But wildberry skittles, M wildberry Skittles.
Have we had whittles recently?

Speaker 5 (19:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I haven't had them recently. In a minute.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Last last one I had was the blue pack that's
tropical I think, right.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, tropical is not as good as regular for me.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
No, and it's I always get him think because I
like the color blue, and as a kid, I was like, yeah, yeah,
the blue ones. And I'm like, fuck, like thirty percent
of these tastes like soap.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You sure nothing to wildberry because wildberry is like a
purplish blue path.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
No, I'm talking about the light sky blue.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, syl oh, I thought it was like a Okay,
I'm confusing. I just want to think about wildberry. I'm
the wild berry.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I actually can't picture any to our corners.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, the wild berry flavors as something was I've got.
I've guess I've gotten older each flavor of them. I'm like,
how did they do this?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
The fuck?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
How did they make this taste? It tastes so rgularly good.
I feel like, yeah, it's unfair.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
That one has the best. I feel like there's a
cherry one and then the one that's like punch.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Berry, strawberry, berry, nelan berry, which that that seems like
you're that seems like you're doctor Frankenstein, messing it like
spitting in the face of God. And yet they truly are.
And yet wild cherry and rasp berry.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
And disgraced former DC mayor Marion Berry.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Marry, They've got a mary berry that is the type
of berry fucked me up too when I was like, wait,
there's actual there's an actual Marion Berry.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Probably that's that's why I went off the edge. That's
what drove Yeah, set me up.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
You think he looked at his parents and were like,
you didn't name me after this berry?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Did you? Thing that regular skittles are pulling off? And
I want to get your thoughts on weather wild berrier
or pulling this off? Is that they work individually like
it's fun to do be like ah yellow, yes, Like
now I'm enjoying some lemon. Also, just give me a
whole handful. And they work well together also, which is
which is rare, I think for a combination of flavors.

(21:11):
Are you getting that same thing with wildberry or are
you just enjoying them one at a time.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm doing one at a time, I'm doing different combinations.
I'm really just like having a day. I'm having a
day where I can't believe I can't even buy anymore
because I felt like I'll just eat the whole bag.
It sucks up time Yeah, something something flipped in my
brain the last ten years where instead of just being like, oh,
this is just candy, now it becomes like this sort

(21:39):
of like like I'm tripping and I'm having these these flavors.
I wish I could go back in time, take ecstasy
and have some wildberry scals, right, I wish I could
do that. I just you know, the time has passed.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Got a damn career extasy, your ecstasy daiser behind you.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I think they are. I think I just can't handle.
I mean, I can find out, but I think I'm
down with that system.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah, let's find right for now, just doing combos of Skittles.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Rather Yeah, because the flavors, the flavor just you know,
I know it's a bunch of chemicals and fucking dies
and stuff. But yeah, I want to try the euro
I want the European Wilberry is as good or maybe better.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Because they're our version of Skittles illegal in Europe.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, because of the dies, because of the just
because of the dies, right, it's not It could be
the flavor too.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
I don't know, we're eating was there not quite? As
like Skittles do appear to be lacquered like to a
fine polish. They look like they're made of whatever, like
really like wood banisters in a mansion are made of
you know, just legs. Yes, they have that orange peel
that new cars have on them, you know that like

(22:48):
thick waxiness. I wonder if that's something some part of
it that's illegal, but that's you know that, this is
what our greatest minds have spent the last fifty years
that they all went into. You know, ourists are doing
fake flavors, great underrated. What's something you think is overrated?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Uh? The irony here, it's not lost on me. But
dryer sheets, dryer sheets, You have to be done with
dryer sheets. I mean I haven't used them in years,
but you can. I can smell my neighbors. I know
they're using them. I can smell the waft of the us.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I know they're using Just smell it.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
When you ever to go to like a hot spring,
like a like a you know outdoor natural hot spring
that's like a public hot spring, there's there's you know,
variety of people in there. Sometimes people are wearing like
a shirt, like a swimming shirt, and sometimes you can
smell you can smell it and it's like, I'm in
this natural environment, this beautiful space, and I'm smelling bounce.

(23:55):
It's just the chemicals. It's all theys fucking chemicals for what.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Wow, that's so much unless they're going into your body
via wildbeers exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, the wild brisker is I have them in the dark,
and I don't tell anybody except for on the podcast
once a year because I'm embarrassed that I'm eating these chemicals.
But I'm not like spraying this scent.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, people, you seasoning for the dryer is one thing
that people have described described it.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I see just that little a little bit of scent boost.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
But I'm like every time I remember, like I had
dryer sheets and calls because you know, I was making
a bong filter with the dryer sheets and then I
was like, wait, maybe I can use them for their
stated use too, And I was like, dude, this is
like it's it's way kind of power, like, way too intense.
I'm like, I'm just going to keep stuffing it in
this old paper towel tube with a rubber band and

(24:49):
do do my jeth throat toll solo on.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
This smoke sweedy does the little one leg tree one
leg tree, aqua lung and you you're not struggling with
static cling from not having at all?

Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, I mean there's other ways to combat that. Find
a new angle, Jack, Because it's all these chemicals, and
it's always like terrible chemicals.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
How do you combat it? Tell us the secret? So
I'd love to get rid of that set as well.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Maybe I don't have I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
I think you wear too many silk shirts. Jack, that's
is that it? You are? Yeah, you're into the static cling. Yeah,
I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't know, I'm being static. I don't find a
big static problem. Maybe I don't know. No, No, I'm
mystified as you. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Maybe static cling is a is a myth? Or is
it because like.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Weren't you because you were talking about how your mom
inadvertently breaks cameras all the time. Maybe you have like
a weird energy field too that's causing my mom has.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
My mom has a very strange technology curse where back
when cameras were a thing, she would just like buy
a new camera and it would break like immediately in
her hands. Break and what way now like physically right,
just no, it would cease to function properly. Wow, and everybody,
like our family know, like all her brothers and sisters

(26:16):
were like, don't don't ask her to take the picture.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
The camera will die in her hands. Yeah, maybe this is.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
To break the camera.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
She's under the under a blanket, like in holding the
big flash.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
What you know about that lady who's been struck by
lightning like like twenty five times.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
At that point, your point that Yeah, she's she's claiming
coincidence all the time.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
This isn't a claim. This is for real, super for real.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
She a park ranger.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
She was not a park ranger. But there is a
famous story about a park ranger who got struck like
a evan or twelve times. He used to carry a
bucket of water next to him and his pick up
because he got struck so many times you'd have to
douse himself with water to try to put out the fire.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Stop catching, stop letching fire.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, this lady, this lady moved to San Francisco because
she was tired of getting struck by lightning because there's
no lightning in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wow. Wow, he got struck one time in the basement
which was doing washing her clothes. Yeah, I was just reading.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Is that Linda Cooper?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I think that's right. I mean you actually knew that. Yeah,
of course Linda Cooper.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh, yes, of course Linda Cooper.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Lightning Linda, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's amazing. Yeah. There might just be people, certain people
who got more electrons going. I might just have an
excess of electrons going. That's why my clothes were Was you.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Ever been here, like, what's the closest you've been just
being struck by lightning because you were living out there.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I've lived in the Midway before and like had lightning
strike close to our house, and like I've had the
experience of like you start feeling your hair stand up
at the tingle.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
It was really my mom giving me a hug.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
When I was a kid, I heard the story about
a guy who was an old man. He said, like
he went out on a boat and he screams, like,
strike me down lord, a thunderstorm.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Say less time, say less.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I heard that story I was a little kid. It
was it was a storm developing. I grew up in Minnesota,
right there was a storm developing. I was outside with
my mom and I screamed.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Strike me down lord. My mom was like what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (28:48):
She's like, he's on drugs.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Lord, don't listen to him.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I was like, what just something you say like freaked
her out so much? When he screams strike.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Me down to oh is it? Or like a guy's
plays a great round of golf and then his ball
gets blown out of like the hole and he screams
at God and they get struck down. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
I just remember when I, like I visited, like when
I went to Michigan to visit some friends that like
I grew up with it moved out there. They were
talking about lightning and they they told one story I
thought they were lying about how like it like the
lightning arcd from one tree trunk to another, like twenty
feet away from them, And I was like, what the fuck?
And they showed me all the bark blown off, and

(29:37):
that was enough for me. It's like a city kid
to be like, all right, I believe you, bro, and
I a still need to go back to La where
I'm staying on the concrete.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, it's nast it's scary, it's m States. I'll tell
you what, strike me down, crazy weather? I just did.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I just think of that Johnny like if, like, if
I said that in front of my grandmother, if she
was alive, that would be she would have fucking been
terrified for me. I strike me now, lords, oh no,
don't don't don't mess with that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Don't mess around saying things like that. Don't be foolish
is what.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
You No, they're they're they're just you know, the Baptists
turned just more Christian generic. They left the Baptist Church
after a while because I was a little too intense,
I think in their youth, Baptist.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Church, like a lot of the Protestant churches are more intense,
like the Catholic Church has the reputation for being intense,
but there their mass is shorter, like they have short
the massive Catholics, like an hour or less usually, And
I just like the people all the other Christian religions
are the ones that were like Catholicism isn't isn't serious enough? Right,

(30:43):
And so I feel like I feel like we get
we get pretty intense over there in the American Uh,
Protestant religions.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, there's just so much room. You have like the
Lutherans who are just like, you know, it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yes, you have like Episcopalians also pretty chill. Yeah, but
even they have like masks for like two hours. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
They're the Catholics of the Protestants, right right, that's how
they that's what they call themselves. We're the Catholics of
the Protestants. Episcopalias.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
We love that description. Some of them are just nuts, yeah, yeah,
snake handling and such.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Right, those are the Seventh day Adventists, is that right?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Pentecostal?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, Pentecostal.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and
we'll talk about some more crimes. Will be right back,
and we're back. We're back. And yeah, so Donald Trump

(31:48):
was like, We're gonna wipe out your whole civilization by tonight.
That was yesterday. We're recording this yesterday, so we don't
know what exactly happened. We do know how people reacted
to it, which was seems seems like people scared.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
I mean, yeah, you got a lot of people. We
touched on the Trending episode on Tuesday about how like
the Alex Jones' is Tucker Carlson's canvas owns are all
doing some version of pull the fucking plug on this administration.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Now this guy, Wow, that's crazy those nut jobs. Yeah,
and I think it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, And a lot of is getting a little crazy,
even for us.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Even for us because we just we do pretend crazy
for money on YouTube, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
We do, and fashioned anti semity.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
It's wild when like they like, it gets too real
for the people that are the like architects of the
bullshit artistry on the right are just like this is
a little rid. But again, as we'll see, there'll be
a theme in this episode, people are also looking for
exit strategies as a way to sort of frame themselves
as being like I was actually against it the whole
time kind of a thing. So it's you know, uh,

(32:52):
they're saying the right things, but the intent tbd where
they are actually at. But in terms of like those
threats on like Fox News Newsmax every day, they have
to do some version where if like people are like
these are war crimes and they got to go like, no,
they're not, and if they are, fuck yeah how about that.
So this is Jesse Waters talking again about like, uh,

(33:12):
you know, the fact coming up about a lot of
people are saying what he's talking about is absolutely illegal,
and it's funny when democrats are able to say that
when Republicans are in power, but now when they're in power,
it's always strikes me as Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Also, my boy, my boy.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Coming to fix the WiFi.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
At a second, here's Jesse Waters, you know, talking a little
bit about just kind of like what's going on in
the Strait and the situation in Iran and war crimes
and all that.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, Democrats calling Trump crazy helps Trump. It makes him
look like he's this madman who's totally unrestrained and unwilling
or willing to do anything to win the war. So
the Iranians look at that and they go, oh, Ran,
we better sign something the book and I.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Really willing to do it all. But I didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Think his tweets were any more bombastic than they usually are.
And bombing power plants is not a war crime. Bill
Clinton destroyed Serbia's entire energy infrastructure. Both Bushes took out
Iraq's electricity grid asole.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Those are still war crimes, right, are you saying, Oh, yeah,
there's a there's a there's a to this. Yeah again, sure,
but he's his whole point here is Yeah, man, it's fine,
It's really not that bad. It's just it's going to
be power plants maybe, although nobody knows. Even Caroline Levitt

(34:37):
was asked, like, what does the president even mean with
half of this ship and she goes only the president knows.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh good, which is that's good, terrifying us all on
the edge of our seats. One person knows the passport.
That's how you want it, that's right.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
And I'm sure maybe they've completely lost their minds.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Probably you know, that's.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Where my uh, that's that's where my butter my bread
is buttered. So not gonna happen. But there's always they're
always doing. It's between him and this other guy, Carl
Higby on Newsmax. They're doing this version of like, it's
actually good that this guy is so unhinged, irrational and unpredictable.
That's actually like an advantage that.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
You're scared that the world is gonna end. Imagine how
the Iranian people feel, or Iran Iranian, which is grim.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Like you're talking about actual fucking human beings and it's
not just like you're not you're not playing SimCity and
you go delete power plant. Oh, that's gonna be hard
for the people there. That is, those are those are
fucking machines that keep like life support, like going or
any other kind of thing that requires electric these anyway,
they try and make it an abstraction to sort of

(35:52):
separate the actual human suffering toll. So here's Carl Higbee
on Newsmax, who is basically like they're called they should
be like, hell yeah, brother, for war crimes.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
The whole world, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living
in a hell just walking President Donald J. Trump. And
instead of being like, hell yeah, brother, that's America, they're
out there wanting about like war crimes.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Not a peep though.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
When I got hit by an Iranian built I d
that killed three of my friends right next to me,
that like.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
War crimes, get bent. I don't care.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
I don't really care about that. Basically every left wing
network this morning and last night, by the way, Trump
issues explosive expletive laden threat against Iran. Meanwhile, I'm like, yeah, man,
that's exactly what I voted for.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Okay, well maybe you should maybe you should re enlist, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I think that man should not be a journalist. Think
he's got a little bit of what we call what's
it call when you have a bias, a little bit
of a bias because of his personal experiences with an ied.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Yeah and holler.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hell yeah brother.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Where I mean again, they're they're trying to model the
behavior for their viewers to try and make this palatable.
So then if this guy is up here being like,
hell yeah, brother, this is good, there's gonna be millions
of people who watch that, because you know, most at
this point people have watched the news to be like.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
And what is my state mandated response to this bit
of news.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Ah yes, hell yeah brother, Hell yeah bro. It's just
like such a childish and imbecilic way to look at
this entire situation, Like this isn't a fucking fight in
high school with a bully, and like you're lying about
your uncle being a cop who got kicked off the
force because he was too crazy. You know what I'm saying, Like,
this is serious shit that is going to affect the

(37:41):
entire fucking planet if this keeps escalating, and it already has,
so this is like, yeah, they're they're on hell yeah
brother mode right now, and I'm not saying much of
a change.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Do you see Trump talking about how the Rinans want bombs?

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's always some form of that too.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, you said that those of those things were like,
no one's ever said that before.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, no one's ever been.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Like, actually they want moms, they're saying.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Just want me to bum them. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
More that reminds me of like my first like college
history lecture class about like Spanish history and colonization, and
like the first day they were talking about like the
missionaries coming to the New World, and this one girl
was sincerely confused and she's like, I don't understand why
the native people were upset in the New World that

(38:34):
I was told they all wanted to be Christian, So
isn't that good?

Speaker 1 (38:37):
That's really man's what she made it that far, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, And I was like, they letting anybody into use.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah, very smooth, like a skating rink.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Like now we have the head of Turning Point just
said it again. This is Tuesday, so this is before
the just the death deadline. The head of Turning Points
I said, if Trump drops a nuke on Iran tonight,
then I'll absolutely call for impeachment.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Oh okay, good people are it's not too late? Then
that's you don't you don't like that was too late?
What about now when he's threatening to do that.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Because you're still you're still going to feel this ship
either way, right, but needs to stop now. Senator Ron
Johnson said, quote, I hope and pray that President Trump
is just.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Usually this bluster. Well that should take care of it.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Then yeah, there's just a lot of like, oh, yeah,
he's I think he's joking, and then you're like, fuck,
he's what the fuck he's been showing people this whole
time where he's at and and owning that just you know,
historic l that this is just does not seem it's
on the fucking table for him.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well he means it's it's a nuke of owning the Libs. Yeah,
it's a metaphor. He's going to nuclearly own the libs.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Bomb.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It's like an exploser.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
So people want to say, yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
A bomb of liberal tears.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
It's a classic bomb, nuclear new clear, that's atomic. That's
at an atomic, very small level when you think about it. Yeah,
and what when when the what what? When? People are
hoping what he is saying he's not serious about that

(40:18):
hasn't that hasn't worked out for us yet, Like there's
not been a thing that he like says and people
are like, oh, a few he wasn't serious about, Like
it always eventually ends with him doing the thing and
people being like, god, damn, didn't see that one coming.
So can he do it? Though?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Can he?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Just does the president have the ability to do that?
They've been purging the Pentagon of the sorts of people
who would push back. So that's my concern is that,
you know, you you would hope at a certain point
that there's enough people in between him and that decision
that are going to, you know, refuse that order.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
But yeah, well, and the nuclear weapons, like that's it's
it's his soul authority, it is. Yeah, Yeah, that seems bad.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
That sucks. Damn, that's not good man.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
No, I should sooner.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
But I mean I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
It's because now, like even now, like there's starting to
be more I'm reading more and more pushback of people
like no, don't jd Vance wasn't. He wasn't implying that
nuclear weapons would be used. So I don't know. It's
again either way. What we do know, there was this
foreign policy person, Elizabeth Saunders was saying, it's like, right

(41:35):
now we're at the crossroads of humiliation or escalation.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Let's go with humiliation? Please? What please? What is that?

Speaker 3 (41:41):
So?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
What is this New York Times article that like kind
of took a look behind the escalation to this point?
What did they have to reveal?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Just everything? It sort of reads as like, yeah, this
all makes sense. This is what I figured, like for
starters that you know, for previous administrations. Every time Net
and Yahoo has come to the White House being like
we gotta kill everybody, they're like yeah, nice, tri asshole, Like, well,
we'll do some shit, but not like what you're asking

(42:14):
for is be on the pale. And also like that
doesn't make sense tactically or just from an intelligence standpoint,
none of that. So the one the first thing is
like you we we learned from this report is that
like Net and Yahoo came in, was like, it's gonna
be easy. This thing is gonna be in four steps.
First is taking out the Ayatola. Second is crippling their

(42:34):
ability to project power in the region. Third, a popular
uprising in Iran easy and that.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
B two C there's your problem. Yeah, that's always their plan.
And then the popular uprising happens in Cuba in Iraq
right works out for him.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
A secular leader is put in charge that we can
control again this when the CIA was like sitting in
on this, they were like they were they told Trump
that was quote farcical, like that the regime change was possible.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Not to have used that big a word at this
At this stage, he's been losing words. I think it's
got to be down to like real bad, not true.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
But again Trump also we also realized how diminished his
ability to retain information is. Like one, you know this
general that he's elevated Kine, who is like used to
be a fighter pilot. But because he says all the
stuff that Trump likes, he's like, you're my new military advisor.
This is from the New York Times piece. General Kaine's
role in the lead up to the war captured a
classic tension between Military Council and presidential decision making. So

(43:37):
persistent was the chairman in not taking a stand, repeating
that it was not his role to tell the president
what to do, but rather to present options along with
potential risks and possible second and third order consequences, that
he could appear to some of those listening to be
arguing all sides of an issue simultaneously. He would constantly
ask and then what but mister Trump would often seem
to only hear what he wanted to hear, you, like,

(44:00):
goes Jesus Christ, and more so goes on that no
one is willing to be honest. And I think that's
what's telling about this New York timespiece, because what we've
seen over the last you know, five six weeks of
this conflict was people clearly going to the press to
try and be like, it's bad.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
But I don't. We're not telling him it's bad.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
So maybe if we tell the press, it becomes a story,
and then he hears it's bad and becomes bad. This
The article goes on quote one person familiar with their
interactions known that mister Trump had a habit of confusing
tactical advice from General Kane with strategic counsel and practice.
That meant the General might warn in one breath about
the difficulties of one aspect of the operation, then in
the next note that the United States had an essentially

(44:40):
unlimited supply of cheap precision guided bombs. To the chairman,
these were separate observations, but mister Trump appeared to think
that the second most likely canceled out the first. At
no point during the deliberations. Did the chairman directly tell
the president that war with Iran was a terrible idea,
though some of General Kaine's colleagues believed that was exactly
what he thought.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
So this tunnel vision, this management style right where you
fire people and shadow people until they tell you what
you want to hear. You're eventually going to get this
guy in charge who's just telling you what he realized
you want to hear, even though he knows it's a
bad idea because he's a coward, and he just just
like I don't want I don't want him to be

(45:20):
mad at me. Yeah, and then I want to up
my position wondering and killing millions of people.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Well then so then this is where the piece gets
even more interesting because people like, is.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
This is this Rubio?

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Is this vance speaking? Because this is very very like
in the room where it happened, type information that we're
getting that the press wasn't privy to unless someone is
there straight leaking on purpose, right, just sort of maybe yeah,
because that's because it's clear no one is able to
speak to the president directly like or doesn't have the
spine to do so. So because they're cowards, they're they're like,

(45:57):
they're like, I'm not going to say the house is
on fire, like to go to the neighbor, but don't
see someone else did it.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
The fire department shows up, he'll recognize that the house
is on fire, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Exactly, but don't tell them. Maybe you just call them.
So there's a whole section Vance the skeptic, And this
is where you're like, mm, exit exit positions are beginning
to Beau.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Whose feet are huge by the way. No, No, there's
this whole story where these guys were wearing shoes that
didn't fit them because Trump would like make fun of
people for having big feet or small feet feet yeah, yeah,
and so they would wear bigger sizes and then you
could like see in pictures like Marco Rubio there would

(46:40):
be like an inch between his ankle in the back
of his shoes.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That's so stupid.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And this is.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
The fucking people that are supposed to even push back, right,
So this is the section on Vance.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Quote.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Nobody in Trump's inner circle was more worried about the
prospect of worthyron or did more to try try to
stop it, than Vice president the vice president.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Holy shit, mister.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Vance had built his political career opposing precisely kind of
military adventurism that was now under serious consideration. He had
described a war with Iran as quote a huge distraction
of resources and quote massively expensive. The Vice President told
associates that no amount of military insight could truly gauge
what Iran would do in a retaliation when survival of
the regime was at stake, or could easily go on.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
In unpredictable directions.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Moreover, he thought there seemed to be little chance of
building a peacefull Iran in the aftermath. Beyond all of
this was perhaps the biggest risk of all. Iran held
the advantage when it came to the strait of horror moves.
If this narrow wideway blahbla blah.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Anyway, so this shit would have been interesting for him
to have said in the press before the war.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
But yeah, yeah, then where's all Mike Johnson and all
this Dude.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
I don't even know. I mean, he's he's doing whatever.
He's like, well, you know, whatever the president believes is
the right thing to do, and we will have to
discuss that, or he'll say some version of I haven't
seen that, I haven't seen that, you haven't seen the
truth social posts where he's threatening genocide.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Spending twenty three hours a day trying not to jack
off like this. Basically, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
It's hard to know. It's hard to know because there's
already there's a vacum, there's like a power vacuum already
forming where like people are already fracturing off because they're beginning.
They at least it seems to be many Republicans that
think there's gonna be an after after this, and they're
trying to trying to make it clear, whether it's Alex
Jones or Tucker Carlson pretending like they always knew this

(48:26):
was bullshit, or now JD. Van's being like I was.
I was the one always saying to stop.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
I didn't really say it that loud or forcefully all
the time. But can you can you write that down
that I was the most opposed to this, Thank you Stark.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
That the idea that there's an after to all this
is the optimistic outlook. Yeah, maybe there will be a future.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Well you don't, Yeah, you just don't. That's you know,
like you can see every everything I could imagine happening.
I can imagine him being completely being like I'm just
going to manufacture a win out of fucking thin air
and pretend I want just so I don't know to
fucking do this.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I don't have the metal for it.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
And then I can also again because it's about humiliation
or escalation. Escalation looks like the more viable option for
someone as you know, narcissistic as Donald Trump, and I
think and facing his own death, like, yeah, he's going
to see The Apprentice.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Have I seen the movie The Aprentice? I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
No, you haven't seen it. It's incredible.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Yeah, it makes me feel better.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It's it's a weird thing where uh you you it
humanizes Trump, but it does it in a way where
you hated me even more at the end. Wow, it's
like this thing where I didn't know I could hate
him when I already do, and they found a way
to do it.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Coming from a place of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, it's really I think it's incredible, Louis, but no
one's seen it because the subject matter is so distasteful.
It's like, yeah, but it's just so brilliant because you,
like you kind of get a window into this guy,
like how he was formed, right like this his nature
of his like psychopathies, like where it came from, right, right, right,

(50:07):
it's pretty dark, man, it's.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Pretty damn dark. All right, speaking of pretty damn dark,
let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk
about Sam Altman real quick and we're back, and Sam

(50:29):
Altman's got a profile happening in the New Yorker co
written by Ronem Pharaoh, presumably because you can't just be like, hey,
Ronan Pharaoh wants to profile you and have somebody be like,
oh cool, Oh it's good. I feel like that'll work
out well.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
From cpt proof Reddit, Yeah, that's right by the same way,
like the Manisphere doc with Louis Therereau and the guy
was like, why is everyone in my comments saying, Oh,
you're gonna get cooked by this by Louis Threau.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I think guy would to interview me. There's no one
smoking gun in the article, but there is a series
of what the fuck anecdotes that make it clear that
he is a sociopath who shouldn't be in charge of anything,
let alone a powerful new technology. We've talked for a
while about how he like back in the early days
of the technology, was like, guys, it's like for real

(51:21):
determinator Doug their coat. It's like the guy who's supposed
to be in charge of this. He realized, Oh, I
can like make it sound more impressive by being scared
of it. And so has been like claiming that he
keeps a cyanide pill on him, like for ten years.
He said that. Yeah, he was like, what a fucking job.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
That's how sickness, that's how sick this mystery box product
is that. I'm I need to convince you how pill?

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah keeps he keeps his options open. Can you legally
have that? I don't know if sinide pill, but he
had like a suicide pact or like some suicide option
in place. And this was also this was a previous
New Yorker profile of him. That's hilarious, what a joke.
But uh so it dug into memos related to his

(52:12):
twenty twenty three firing for being quote not consistently candid
in his communications. One of the memos contains a list
headed SAM exhibits a consistent pattern of and then the
first item is lying on the list. Responding to this
pattern of deception, Altman told the boar, this is just
so fucked. I can't change my personality. Oh gosh, wow.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Thetime you're saying this is just so fucked it's I mean,
those are pretty defensive words.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yes, this is just so fucked up, he said repeatedly.
According to people on the call, Chef's saying this because
this is just so fucked up up.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I can't change my proof, is he talking to? Is
that that's probab How he got away with shit in
his house as a kid is just so fucked up.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Mom.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Yeah, just fucking killed some animals or something, And I
can't change my personality.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
He so the aforementioned apocalyptic concerns about AI. Initially, this
is how he like justified becoming like the main AI,
one of the main AI people is. He's like him
and Elon Musk tried to create a Manhattan project for
AI because they were like, remember that, Well, it'd be

(53:25):
good for someone other than Google to do it, because
Google's evil. So we're gonna have to do it and
like make make the AI because we're not evil him
and Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing says evil like thinking you're good.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Yeah exactly, like saying it over and over.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
We're actual evil. Option Yeah, not totally not evil I'm
just the less evil option. As they started making money,
safety concerns were ignored, Like in twenty twenty two when
the board found that GPT four contained controversial features that
hadn't been approved by a safety panel. But he sure
told them so. What he would do is like he

(54:03):
would have one part of this new model reviewed by
a safety board, but then all the like really dangerous
shit would just not get approved by it. And he'd
be like, yeah, they took a look, you know, yeah,
oh right, right right.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
It's like showing them like the nicest part of it,
or like here's that okay, yeah, okay, thanks.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Have you seen this guy husk on TikTok who talks
to AI like he has a really funny voice. He
kind of sounds like this, and he talks to AI.
He always he exposes all these flaws and they're hilarious.
He's like, help, I'm falling out of an airplane right now?
What should I do? And A is always like, oh,
that's a good joke. He's like, no, I'm serious, I'm dying.

(54:44):
Help me.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
But he has this thing. He great question, Johnny.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, and I'm so glad you came to Yeah, I
was thinking about that too.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
He asking like, okay, I'm about to run a mile.
We did time me, and it goes okay, yeah, I'll
time you, no problem, And he goes okay, start now, okay,
I'm back. How long did it take? And every time
he does it, Ai is like, all right o'clock, tune
in about ten minutes and forty five seconds. He's like, no,
I was faster than that. Someone played the video for
Sam Altman. Sam Altman says it, Yeah, it's just not

(55:14):
programmed to do have a timer features, right, a timer
like the most primitive technology that exists.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, so he'll do arithmetic, yeah, yeah, can't do arithmetic.
Can't has trouble with numbers.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Or even like like how many rs are in the
word strawberry.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, that's the classic oh fuck not this again. All right,
you and your gotcha questions. He has a second command
second in command named Greg Brockman. Get Brockman in here,
fuck you. The article describes a meeting where Brockman proposed
setting up a prisoner's dilemma where all of the nations

(55:53):
need to give us funding, which one junior research are
called completely fucking insane. But basically the idea is like
you get funding from all the countries, and if anybody's
left out, they're like afraid of being left behind when
AI takes over the world.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Isn't that called the extortion? That's what the mob does.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's exactly right, that's right. Yeah, that's one way to
put it.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
I mean, we'd like to say a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
But no, it's just building a coalition of AI labs
that would eventually coordinate with an international body akin to NADO.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Ah oh okay, okay, called leg breakers.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
But yeah, open AI could enrich itself by playing world powers,
including China and Russia against one another, perhaps by starting
a bidding war among them.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
These people are so fucking dumb over simplification of just
life on the planet is so stupid.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Like, yeah, that's what happened, perhaps some.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
A biding war. Oh okay, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Sure man?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Okay, guy writing a poker movie?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yea, yeah, exactly. That's the level of their knowledge, and
like what the seriousness they're bringing to this. Their top
engineers started holding secret meetings to discuss whether Brockman and
Altman could be trusted. At one meeting, and employee referenced
the are we the baddies sketch that we always talk
about on this Mitchell and Webb where they're like two

(57:22):
Nazis and they're like, wait a second, are we the
bad guys? Why does all our shit have like skulls
on it? Right? Yeah, they had that same conversation. A
board member described Altman as unconstrained by truth, with the
sociopathic lack of concern for the consequences that may come
from deceiving someone. In other words, literally the worst possible

(57:45):
person to be in charge of the exact thing that.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
He's in charge of, right, Yeah, Yeah, he's like, yeah,
but like his whole philosophy breaks down to, yeah, but
I made you look though, huh right, Like, it doesn't,
it's nothing beyond that. It's just more that the fact
that it can is good enough, and therefore it's it's
that's all the reason he needs to keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Now he's still the head of open AI. He's now
what does he do now?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, he's still the head of open A tried to
They fired him for like a couple months and then
he managed to get back. How does that work? Well, Johnny?
According to one board member, he's unconstrained by a truth.
He has two traits that are almost never seen in
the same person. The first is a strong desire to
please people, to be liked in any given interaction. The

(58:29):
second is almost a sociopathic lack of concern for the
consequences that may come from deceiving someone. Wow, that's good.
That's good. One that is helpful in the c suite,
that is what you want. Unfortunately, when it's like people
making the giant philosophical decisions that will determine the future

(58:50):
of our planet, not so good. It is not so good.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
What's like also wild that Like the people around him
early on in his career were also saying, this guy.
Aaron Schwartz, who was like at a like in the
Y Combinator cohort with him, said quote, you need to
understand that Sam can never be trusted. He is a sociopath.
He would do anything.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Oh good. That was back like early days.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Yeah, that was like, but that in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
And like one of the things, like I think reading
all this, hearing all this about him, you're like, so
this guy's just like this brilliant coder who happens to
like just be a sociopath. The other thing the article
reveals he doesn't seem to understand the science of the
business he's running, as multiple engineers are called him misusing
or confusing basic technical terms. He's not a coder, he's

(59:42):
not an expert on this.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
He's just he's like one of those sociopaths who becomes like, yeah,
who gets in these situations where like, now you're running
this big.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Powers too, like everyone's like Ela Musk's a he if
you like locked him in a cave, he would like
iron Man his way out. Oh oh yeah, no, he
would not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Well, if I locked him in a cave, I would
open the cave and there'd be a pile of bones.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
That's what I'm seeing there. That's right from the people
that he ate, probably presumably Johnny. So wonderful having you
on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Will be here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Where can people find you? Follow you, see you all
they get stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You can find me on Instagram and TikTok. I'm there.
I think it's just my name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
There you go? Is there? Do you have any dates
coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah? I'm going to be in Hawaii, uh May twenty
eighth at the Blue Note. Looking forward to that, and
I'll be in Madison, Wisconsin. I believe it's July ninth
through the eleventh at Comedy on State, Which that's that's
the best place in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
The world to do comedy, is it Wisconsin?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I mean it really is Madison, Wisconsin. It's like this
weird place where it's like you been in Madison before,
I don't think happen. It's like it's it's where the
university is, you know, UW Madison each huge school, but
it's something about it. It's like different than the rest
of Wisconsin. I'll say that much. Yeah, it's a great place.
I love performing there, so I'm doing that otherwise. Yeah,

(01:01:08):
I mean watch Mermaid in theaters. You can see all
the links around my website. It's Johnny Pemberton dot dog
and that actually is my website. Dog watch season two
a fallowout.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
There you go, Yeah, is there a work of media
that you've been enjoying? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, so this is it's not so much a meia
I guess i'd call media. So there's this guy don't
want to put in the chat or what should I do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
In the chat?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Okay, it's a guy who takes you know, canned uh
hand Cranberry sauce that kind of retains its shape. Yes,
this guy put some of it outside of a bar
on the sidewalk in some major city.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I think it's Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Oh my god, this is so funny to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
And they just the thing just sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah. But he filmed for the next couple of hours
watching people almost step in it. Some people do step
in it. I don't know something about this. It feels
like this feels like art in a weird way, like
she almost.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Oh my god, out of it, kicked a tip of
that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I mean, I could watch this for three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
It's also like this weird social speriment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
You just skated by.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
That's crazy because I have this weird thing where I
just never I always see ship. I never step in it.
Like I'm always looking at the ground when I'm running.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
You're on the lookout for ship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, yeah, constantly. Somehow, I like like I have like
a sixth sense for not stepping and ship.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Yeah, there's I got a seventh sense for always stepping
in really always. Big Walkings has a huge total ogre
reaction to the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I believe this st Patrick's day too, which makes it
everybody in Green Everyone's wasted.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Yeah, then yeah you should be thrown down little like
he's like pointed, like you see you see the cranberry.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
So it's crazy. So we put the cranberry so straight there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
And I was like, dude, that's the dumbest pickup line
I've ever fucking heard. Get away from me, dude, your
cringe as fuck. Cranberry man, you guys see his Cranberry
sauce on it so funny that pick up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, you see you that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
You put Jilly Cranberry almost stepped in it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Just your girl, that's my girl, dog Cranberry girl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Miles, where can people find you as they're working media
you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I'm talking about ninetyd fiance on four to twenty Day
fiance talking about English football on Ain't a footy. Uh yeah,
it's a It's a great time over there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
God, there's just there's so many tweets. They're all some
version of upsetting.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
One thing was funny, though I guess not really from
a Kashan at a Blacksky Dot app boasted arm again
is terrible, But our only other option was diversity trainings
at work, right, Yeah, it's always some version of God. Yeah,
just for all the fucking idiots out there that can't.

(01:04:18):
If only it's like, if only these people could connect
their fucking actions to what else is happening here, because
there's so many people like they're just doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Oh, I didn't vote for this. I didn't vote sure
did well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
When I ate the mercury that came out of the thermometer,
I didn't. I didn't vote for it to give me
health problems. I thought it would kind of be like
a cool version of Silver Surfer or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I didn't want diarrhea.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Well, you got it, no consequences. Yeah, I wonder if
any of those astronauts have I'm sure you've covered this right,
But like what happens with the diet, well, because the
toilet broke.

Speaker 7 (01:04:56):
I think I think they got it working. The number
number twos were working, number twos were working, Number twos
are working, was just number twos are working. It's also
crazy the way it's actually oriented in this in the
spacecraft is it's in the floor, so it's trippy to
think of, like but again in zero gravity, like there
was an astronaut walking through the whole bathroom.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
It's like you're not gonna know that, you have no
sense of up or down. You're just like it's there. Yeah,
but uh yeah. Producer Marige said, I'm on the case. Yeah,
I'm on the case.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Bro. I'm gonna don't worry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
I'm gonna use outlooks so I can communicate with the
the Artemis two mission.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
I got three versions of outlook go.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Yeah, all right, that's what you got, doing a fucking three.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Like the tweet from Chap Pyle Roan who said a
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We'll link off to the edge of your seat footage
of that person who put the jelly Cranberry sauce on
the sidewalk outside of a Philadelphia bar on Saint Patrick's say.

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We also link off to a song that we think
you might enjoy. Miles, you got a song you think.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
That people might just sound nice. This is from Tom Mish,
who's an English guitar player, songwriter, singer, does a lot
of like jazzy stuff. This is kind of like a
little more viby soft track just to kind of wind
down with. It's called Slow Tonight by Tom Mish.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
M I s c H. Got it. It's not like
somebody who's not quite Tom. He's just Tom Mish.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Tom Mish, Tom Eh Tom Ad Jason all Right.

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