110524 Professor John Ellis

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, here we are, final hour of the show
this time tomorrow. What do you think will we know
if there is an a winner? We know who the
winner is a great question, how we don't really I've
got people that have said they believe I know Capitalist,
and I think I don't think this will linger on forever.
I am not. I don't think this is I could

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be wrong. I'm just my gut says I think it
will be. I will know. I think we'll know soon enough.
And it's going to be interesting that what we know
when we know what we know tonight before midnight, I
don't know. I know Capitalists. Somebody sent me message at
Capitalist said in his afternoon show that he thinks it
would be we may not have a winner, but he

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thinks we'll have a good feeling by the times, the
first round of poles start closing on the East coast.
What you start seeing Georgia and North Carolina and Pennsylvania
give their early council. We'll see the first round of vote.
Votes always counted come to our are usually the early votes,
and those usually favor the other side, the Democrats side,

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and that point if that's my other side for me,
but maybe not the other side for you, and then
it picks up the pace and we'll see how the
gap closes. All right, we'll cut to all that. More
to come on this program. Election Day. I want to
welcome and distinguished Professor John m Ellis. He has a
new book out called A Short History of Relations Between
People and probably in this election cycle, well, everybody at

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odds with each other and calling each other names and
doing a lot of things to destroy the reputation of
other people. There's nothing new under the sun. Let's bring
in Professor John m Ellis and talk about the Short
History of Relations Between People's Professor Ellis Walker on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
We have in this world are kind of a tribal breakdown.
Now we have the Republicans versus the Democrat, the Conservatives
versus the Liberals. You got the Maga Republicans versus the
non Maga Republicans. You got the everybody's kind of looking
into their own tribes. And sometimes we say this is
as bad as it's ever been. It's actually nothing new

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under the sun. We're all might believe God's children, but
we like to break ourselves into different subgroups. And you've
kind of written a book about the history of this.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah. Well, basically my book sets out the way in
which the world was completely tribal I'd say fifty up
to the about fifteen hundred. I mean, everybody thought tribally.
Everybody sought safety in the company of people like themselves
because it was a dangerous world. I mean, you know,

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you have to remember when you go back a few
hundred years, so the world is a very very different place.
You have you have no cars, you have no railways,
so you know, you know, you get about by foot
or if you're wealthy, by a horse, which means you
don't get thy far. You don't see other countries, you
don't see other tribes, and you don't have sourts of

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information like we have right now. So you know, you
go back to fifteen hundred, no newspapers, no TV, no radio,
no internet, no films. You know, so there's a complete
ignorance of other people. For most people, they don't know
what the hell is going on in the world twenty
thirty miles beyond their own home. Well, the one thing

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they do know is that occasionally you get invaded by
somebody else's army. So in other words, all strangers are
likely to be a danger to you. So that's a
very different world to the world now where we all
think of ourselves as one family. At least we're supposed
to think that way. Anybody who mouths off about you know,

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other people's, people who speak different languages, people who look different,
is going to be called a racist. So there's an
official sort of viewpoint, so to speak, underlying everything we do.
The official viewpoint is we're all the same about the
same family, and we all ought to respect members of

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other groups. Well. So what my book is about is
charting how the situation of four or five hundred years
ago developed into the modern world. And the part of
the reason for it is simply that at the moment,
we're taught to see our country, at least by many

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people who are taught to see our country as racist
to the core, and we should be ashamed of our past,
our racist past. Should be pulling down statues of famous
people in the past because they were racists. And anyway,
my book demonstrates that the people who think that way
have things completely backwards, because the people who originated the

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anti racist idea we were all one family, were in
fact the English speaking members of the English speaking world.
That was where the first the first propounding of modern
outlook on relations with people began. So in otherwise we

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don't have our country doesn't have a history of racism.
Our country has the history of anti racism and it
was the first country to have that.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
The voice of Professor ellis Professor j Elise. He has
a book out and it's called A Short History of
Relations between Peoples. Now, in your book, you go back
to the British Enlightenment thinkers of the eighteenth century and
talking about how things started to change with them. You
also talked about the early spread of literacy, kind of
talk about those things and how they began to change

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what was happening in the tribal world that they lived in.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, but the really crucial thing was the development of
political freedom in English. I mean, when you have the Magnicarto,
the Magnekarta says, all the way back in the thirteenth century,
the Magnicarta says, the government can't proceed against anyone unless
it can prove to people like of his rank, people

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like him, that what they're doing is reasonable. Now, that's
the foundation of a modern attitude of limited government. The
government's got to be got to proceed by rules, and
the rules have to make sense to ordinary people. The
government there, you know, tyrants can't just impose their will
well bad attitudes which developed in England very early, and

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then one of the fruits of that was a parliament,
which is you know thereby about thirteen hundred and slow
increase in political freedom meant prosperity, because the freeer people are,
the freer they are to develop their own lives and
to to develop prosperity. So what you have is that

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the British are the first nation that is prosperous enough
to develop literacy. So by about seventeen hundred, half the
British people were literate, which was a huge number for
those days. I mean, everywhere else on the globe very
few people were literate. Well literate people can think for itself.

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And so by about sixteen sixty you get the development
of newspapers. Those of them, you know, within a few
years were founded all over Britain, and I mean that
people started to exchange ideas about how life should be lived,
and what the government should do and shouldn't do, and

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what our attitude should be to our fellow man, and
you know it was literacy provides the possibility of public opinion,
and our public opinion that's really vibrant and that can
you know, really make waves, and that public opinion, which
developers say, through this increase of literacy in Britain and

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nowhere else, that public opinion soon produced the anti racist idea,
the idea that all God's children, everyone is the same
until they're changed by the circumstances of you know that
there were surroundings, the social setup that accounts for the
differences in peoples, but they're all underneath, they're the same.

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They all have the same dignity. Now that attitude, as
I say, begins only in Britain, and it's so powerful
that this idea that within the first hundred years of
this kind of situation where we have a lot of newspapers,
there's a tremendous movement to end slavery, and it starts

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to bear fruit immediately. I mean, people are countries all
over the place are starting to the and slavery. So
in other words, the radicals all have it backwards. I
mean they think the white supremacy is an evil thing
in the world, and so in fact it's it's in

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the English speaking world where the idea first developed that
they were all one family, and that soon spread to
the rest of the world, but only because the English
speaking world was so influential.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
The voice of Professor John Ellis and again his book
is called A Short History of Relations between Peoples, putting
a historic perspective on the world that we live in
and the thoughts that we're all one people compared to
a critical race theory that you have today. John, you
come back into American history because we oftentimes view the
world based on our generation or a generation one or

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two behind us, as you, as we look at I
look at doctor Martin Luther King Jr. He said, I
dream of a day and we to will judge people
by the content of their character, not by the color
of their skin. Definitely an anti racist thought. And yet somehow,
with all the access to literacy and all the access
to the Internet, and all the access to media and communication,

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we have actually moved away from his thought of anti
racism and the content of the character and not the
color of the skin. We're going the wrong direction. And
yet we have more access to information than any generation
prior to us.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, you put that so well, I got much I
can add to it. You put your finger exactly on
the point. I mean, there's no excuse for going backwards.
But you know, radicals in modern America have managed to
push us backwards with critical race theory and DEI we're

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going to stop that. And I mean basically, race relations
have improved enormously in the last seventy eighty years. I've
seen it myself over that time frame, and at the moment,
what's happening is that there's a smallest group of people,
but they managed to get a great deal of influence,
and they're trying to push us backwards into a you know,

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a a position where different races are angry with each
other again, and there's no point in that. I mean,
you know, we're in a situation where we're easily beyond that,
where everyone has a chance to develop his own life
according to how he wants to live it, and those

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radicals are just making making it more difficult that, Yeah,
at harmonious society to exist.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah. I remember a couple of years ago in its
election season, and it was when he was the vice
president and running for officer president. Biden preaching to a
black church one time said if you vote Republican, quote,
they going to put you back in chains. And I'm like,
there's no Republican now they wanted to anybody in change.
But it's that type of rhetoric that we have to
get beyond and recognize that sometimes that we sit down

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with people that maybe vote differently than us or have
different religious viewpoints, we have a heck of a lot
in common, and you just kind of get the sense
that there's somewhere out there, there's a power brokers or
somewhere that don't want us to find that threat of commonality.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Absolutely, you're right, they don't want us to find it.
And the reason they don't want us to find it
is politically, it's kind of useful for them to divide people.
The other thing they do is they make capitalists of
the villain. So, in other words, there's a group of
radicals that say basically that you can't be anti racist

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unless you're anti capitalists. Well, in other words, this is
really Marxists using racial division to advance their own political agenda.
And what they're doing, but you know, in order to
advance their own political legend, they're dividing people. They're trying
to stir up antagonism between peoples.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Professor John Ellis is my guest. Okay, the old adage
that we've heard is that those who don't learn from
history are doomed to repeat it. And so you've written
a book, it's called A Short History of Relations between people.
What is the takeaway for people that read the book.
We've got to learn from history. You've written a book
about history and we need to learn something. What is

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it that you hope the readers will take away about
what has happened since the fifteen hundredths and how we
should implement that and super impose that over our lives today.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, the takeaway is I think this the English speaking
world in this respect of the anti racist idea, but
also with its industrial revolution and development of the whole
modern way of life based on technology and science, the
English speaking world gave us a tremendous advantage the whole world,

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and it created a universal culture that's spread across the world. Now,
the fact that one group started it off is not
something we should worry about. And you can point to
the way Asians have dealt with this to see what works.
I mean, the average Asian Americans simply says, I don't

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care who's started off this development of modernity. I'm going
to have I'm going to grab hold of it and
use it and get the best of it. And so
you now find, for example, that you know, Asian Americans
do better on test scores than anyone else. In other words,
they've stopped the business of worrying about who developed science

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and technology. They're mastering it. They see the whole point
is it exists. Someone developed it, okay, but it doesn't
matter who developed it. We're going to grab it and
we're going to monster it and we're going to go
on to a better life in the process. And that's
true of Asian it's generally out in this country. So
for example, I mean that the firm LG, which I

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think is what is I think South Korean. I may
be wrong in that, but anyway, certainly an Asian firm
that leads in American appliances for Americans consumers, that leads
in consumer satisfaction. So in other words, he is an
example where an Asian firm has decided to embrace them

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the modern world, modern technology, and it does so so
well that it beats everybody else at it. Now that's
the way forward, and that's the way forward for every
group in America. And what radicals are doing are holding
back Black in particular by making them more focused on

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grievance and more focused on, you know, on ideas about
racism and who's who's responsible for the position they're in.
You know, it was radically directing bigue attention to the
wrong things. And what they really ought to be doing
is telling look, just never mind who invented would order,

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enjoy it and make progress with it.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
The name of the book, A Short History of Relations
between People, Distinguished Professor John M. Elis, Professor, Professor Ellis.
I'm honored to have you on the show. I've enjoyed
what I've been able to catch the book so far.
Short History of Relations between People. I'm guessing Amazon, Barnes
and Noble Books, a million, all the places that find
books are sold. They can find the book.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right, yes, yes, no, it's available pretty well anywhere. I thinks,
but I'm the professor.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah yeah, Professor Ellis, it's an honor. Thanks for coming
on the program. A Short History of Relations between People.
How the World began to move beyond Tribalism by Professor
John M. Ellis List, and when they tried to divide
you by race, when they tried to divide us up
into different tribes, forcing it the Fox News tribe, the
MSNBC tribe, the Republican tribe. I ain't trying to see

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kumbai ya, but be careful that you don't let your
masters out there divide us up when we don't need
to be divided up. Remember that election day in America,
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