ALL BALL: Defending LaFleur's Extension + Former Bucs GM Mark Dominik, 7-Time MLB All-Star Matt Holliday on Dodgers Hate, UWGB PG Preston Ruedinger

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome in on Doug Gottlieb and this is the I
don't know if you want to call it the New
Doug Gottlieb Show or just the Doug Gottlieb Show or whatever.
I truly appreciate you watching, listening, loading up on it,
downloading in podcast form as well. And what you'll hear
over the next hour or so is a lot of

(00:32):
what you heard over the years, only a slight slant
on it towards Wisconsin and a little bit more on.
What I'd like to say is my terms right, my timeline.
So if any of when you come upon this on
WFRV Plus, or you listen to it in the All
Ball podcast feed, or you watch it on WFRV, or

(00:53):
you see a clip of it online, just understand that
my terms are, Hey, I don't have anything else going,
and I get to talk sports with some of my friends.
And my goal is always when I interview people. And
we have three guests today. One is Preston Rudinger, who
I actually know. He's my point guard at GB but

(01:13):
he's also co owner of the Green Bay Packers. I
like that. I thought you would so too. Is Matt
Holliday is a dear friend of mine. We share a
same birthday. Happy Birthday, Matt, think I forget that. I
got to remember to wish my happy birthday. But we've
been friends for nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety seven, so

(01:35):
that's almost thirty years of frendship. We were sat we didn't.
We weren't friends in nineteen ninety seven. We met nineteen
ninety seven, but we've been friends for a long time anyway,
So let's go with twenty twenty five years of true friendship.
And any guests we have on we're friends, but I
also I like to learn from them. I ask questions
about things I don't know the answer to. I think

(01:57):
that's the reason some people when they conduct interviews, they
want confirmation over a thought, and that's why it isn't
really a question, or it is a setup question to
play into whatever their rant is. I got a couple
of different thoughts to share with you, and then we'll
work through some NFL stuff, we'll work through some college

(02:19):
hoop stuff, and we'll work through some baseball stuff as well.
Mark Dominic will be our guest, of course. Mark Dominic
was a GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a dear
friend of mine. He's an unbelievable asset as he's in
the agent world as well. He knows the draft, he
knows the players, he knows the Packers, he knows the
NFC North. And then Matt Holliday Preston Rudiger will also
join us. But I do have some thoughts to share

(02:40):
with you. Let's start with the topic that everybody in
Green Bay is talking about, which is Matt Lafleur and
his future. The thing about it, and I understand that
you do get to a point where you're like, Okay,
we've seen the conservative play calling, We've seen you lose leads,
you lose your last five games of the regular and

(03:02):
then into the postseason, and it's a fire everybody sort
of moment. But you do have to catch your breath
and go Okay. Does firing Matt Lafleur absolutely positively make
us better in terms of getting back to Super Bowl?
That's the question. I mean, look, just if you want
full candor, that's what you're going to get here. I

(03:24):
get my coaching job late. There's not a lot available.
We don't have a lot of money, and even if
you did, the guys that are available all have flaws,
bigger flaws than the ones that were available previously, and
you kind of gotta do you go super young or
do you go with somebody with major baggage. The same
is true with coaching staff that that wasn't necessarily perfect.

(03:44):
So in trying to say, Okay, how do I build
this thing the right way? The only thing that mattered
in coaching staff, in support staff is are you making
Are you helping me and us get better every day?
If you're not, it doesn't matter how good a friends
you are or how good a person you are, all

(04:04):
that stuff is great. Are you making us better? Let's it?
Are you making us? Is what you do? Make us better?
And then when you get players, players making us better?
Not can he score? Not getting does he make it?
Does he do something that helps make us better? And
so when I'm when you look at Matt Lafleur and
you try and figure out do you bring him back
to you not bring him back, we do have to

(04:27):
reconcile with the fact that Aaron Rodgers was fading off
like a has been quarterback before Matt Lafleur and his
first year with Matt Lafleur. Remember, there was a lot
of back and forth as it was or not. He
bought into the system, it will work, and then what
happened at the end of his career he became or
end of his Packer career, he was an MVP in

(04:51):
his late thirties. Again, I understand that Aaron Rodgers of
the talent, but the change in coaching staff, the change
and message and change in st dials. Once Aaron Rodgers
bought in, it resurrects his career. If we're honest with ourselves,
I think people still have questions about Jordan Love and

(05:11):
I don't know if we have enough data to tell
you absolutely he's in the pantheon of FARVN Rodgers' all
time great Packers quarterback. There are moments in which he
looks like some portion of each of them, right, the
gunslinger mentality of FARV and some of the play styling
and play action stuff that he obviously picked up from Rogers. Right,

(05:33):
you can see that. On the other hand, there are
times when she's like, what are you doing? And again
maybe that's the FARV in him, because how FARV was
then high risk, high reward quarterbacks just don't operate that
way anymore. Right, We're in a We're in a world
of efficiency. If you want to know, by the way,

(05:53):
I want a secret for what's changed with Green Bay basketball.
We're the most efficient team in the league. That's it.
We don't play the fastest, we actually play the slowest, okay,
but we score plenty of points because while we don't
take a ton of field goals, we get to the
free throw line a ton. Okay, it's by design. We
just don't feel like we're we're at our best if
we play a high possession game. We want to play
a lower possession game and be super super efficient. And

(06:16):
that's really again. You can play a ton of snaps
in the NFL, but you have to be efficient. So
I don't know if Farv would be far of if
Farvar was the quarterback of the Packers now. And maybe
that's where love falls is that Leve will have one
of the two one or two of those throws a
game where you're like, you do know we're wearing green today,
you know right where he throws it to the other team,

(06:37):
and it's high risk, high reward. So I just I've
watched him for two years in person in Lambeau, making
almost every game, watch every game on TV, and they
are moments like that, dude's as good as anybody, and
then there are other ones are like I don't know,
I don't really know if he's gonna settle down in
this game. And the point is that you run the

(06:57):
risk of I don't want to say lose Jordan Love,
but Jordan Love is a creation on some form of fashion,
and he's only played in one offense since he's been
a Green Bay Packer. If you change head coaches, you're
changing the offense, and you're at least opening up the
possibility of Jordan Love not even being as good, not

(07:18):
just as his best, but whatever his median is. So
I think that's what's at risk. There the other thing
to it, And I didn't think that Love gave the
perfect answer. I actually thought that Aaron Rodgers gave the
perfect answer when somebody asked him about Tomlin being fired,
where he said like, you're an idiot if you're going
to fire Mike Tomlin, Jordan Love said, Hey, I got

(07:40):
a lot of love for my coach. I yeah, of course,
I think he said, I think he should he should
be back. You kind of have to go over the
top of the point is that you run the risk
of making Jordan Love worse, or at least there will
be six seven games where they're still trying to figure
out the offense in the season, and the Packers should

(08:04):
be in super Bowl mode next year. You're gonna get
Michael Parsons back, You're gonna get Tucker Kraft back. You
still have a young team, you have a quarterback under contract.
Matt Golden in his second year should come into his
own like you have all of these things. Obviously, there's
changes that need to be made on the defensive side
of the football, and you're gonna lose one of your coordinators,
all those things. But if you change coaches, you're changing

(08:25):
You're changing offenses, you're changing vocabulary, and you're at least
offering up the possibility of whatever you think of Jordan Love,
he's gonna be worse and then maybe he gets better
or maybe it doesn't fit him. And it's when it's
asked to you that way, when't we all say you
should definitely bring them back. I also think you don't

(08:47):
have to acquiesce and give some ridiculous long term you know,
if you want to keep the contract shorter term, if
it comes down to, hey, are we gonna add two
or four years overpay for two years and then if
you're not at the end of next year, you write
a check. It doesn't hurts you. In the salary cap.
The Packers have gobs and gobs of money. You don't. Again,
you just just like you would with a with a player,

(09:11):
right with a player, instead of signing up to a
long term deal, just give him two years and if
he's not good after year one, you bite the bullet
and you write the check for year two. It's less
punitive as a coach because there's no salary cap, there's
no dead cap. Money doesn't hurt you the way that
the Arizona Cardinals are going to be hurt by getting

(09:31):
rid of Kyler Murray. It just doesn't. So part of
it is I understand, not just from being a basketball coach,
but following sports, even as a Charger fan, like you
can get as mad as you wanted the Chargers, but
they're two beckgun tackles ro out for the year, and
you know it's a terrible matchup. And of course they
just blitzed the hell out of Justin Herbert and they

(09:52):
got themselves beat. My point is that if you if
you're realistic about what he did for Aaron Rodgers' end
of his room with the Packers, if you've seen what
he's done with Jordan Love, and when healthy, they look
like the best team in the NFC. It doesn't mean
that you had to be happy with how it ended,
or with some of the conservative play calling against maybe

(10:13):
the Eagles, or early in the second half against against
the Bears. But if you're honest with yourself, kicker makes
a kick, they win the win the game, right, and
we're not even talking about this, Well, then we're just
talking about man. They really bumped up against the ceiling
because they didn't have theirs they were prepared to play.
That's how they jumped up. All of that's coaching. When

(10:35):
the script ran out, that's when Jordan Love struggled some.
But his struggles were made worse because of the injuries,
because he didn't have Tucker Craft to dump the ball
down to, and because their kicker left seven points on
the field. So when people ask me all the time,
I understand that the immediate reaction is fire. Everybody's light
a match, start over. Here we go again, I would

(10:58):
not those are the honest reasons why I also don't
think you can hate watch the Bears. I just I
don't think that's healthy of you. Right, don't do it.
Don't do it. It's like as a divorce man, don't follow
your ex wife. Don't troll your ex wife and hope
she you know, hope she gets with some ugly dude

(11:20):
or some broke dude, or you know, she dyes her hair,
cuts her hair, or you know, gains weight. Like you
don't want any of that. You don't. Just live your life,
Live your life, worry about your team. Don't hate watch
the Bears.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
And you know, when they lose to the Rams, don't
become a Rams fan, or if they beat the Rams,
don't all of a sudden hate on the Rams. Matthew
Stafford's a choker and he's stat Padford and he's whatever.
Just don't watch, don't pay attention, move on, move on. Hey, September,
while the Packers, well, the Badgers versus the Irish all Ambo,

(11:59):
all good things, things are happening in the fall of
twenty six at lambeau Field in the Titletown district. But
I'm just promising you this is just like an X Hey,
just like an X. Do not hate, watch, do not
follow on social media, do not follow on Twitter, pretend
like it doesn't exist. If the only thing in your
world matters is the Green Bay Packers, then the Bears

(12:20):
cannot dim that sunshine because they won one game when
the Packers kind of gave it away. I have one
more thought, and I'm trying to figure it out. I
need your help. I love going to the movies. I
don't know what it is about the movie theater popcorn,

(12:40):
but it's just better. And I'll grant you it is
ridiculously expensive. But it's ridiculously expensive because every time I
go to a movie, I look around and I go,
how are these places still open? Right? They're beautiful, They're
you know, you got anywhere from fifty to one hundred seats.
It's got this incredible screen, is incredible sound, which is

(13:02):
better than watching it at home. But because of the
ability for us to stream movies like a week after
they come out, and because we've done the calculation in
our head that even if you have to spend forty
bucks to buy it at home, you're not paying popcorn,
You're not paying candy prices. Is does anybody have a
legit plan for how to save movie theaters. That's what

(13:24):
I'd like to know, because and I've been to all
of them. I've been to the ones where they serve
the dinner and they serve drinks, and those are great, okay,
But even those, You're like, only twenty seats in this thing?
How are they making money? Because the overhead has to
be substantial, doesn't it. I don't know is there any
saving movie theaters? Because I'm a Marcus movie theater fan

(13:45):
here in Green Bay. I go to all of them.
I go to at least one a week when my
son comes to town. We'd love going to movies, we
just do. But we are sitting there going we should
probably be reading a newspaper, right, I'm saying that because
newspapers are sort of going the way of the Dodo, right,

(14:05):
at least the print version of it. Like we should
be reading a newspaper, reading a book. I'm trying to
think of all the other things that people don't do
anymore and calling people on payphones while getting ready to
go to the movies. So you can hit me up
on social media at Gottlieb Show or on Instagram at
Gottlieb Show. If you have a legit plan for how
we're going to either resurrect or save the world of

(14:27):
movie theaters. I have some ideas. We'll share them in
future shows. But that's an honest question. Couple, Thank yous
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But before we get to them, let's talk some packer

(15:09):
football with former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
Mark Tominck. Of course he's joined me for years. He's
a former Tampa Bay Buccaneer general manager. He spent he
basically worked his way up the food chain in the
National Football League. Let's start with the Packers. You know
how the season ended, not just with the five consecutive losses,
but the big lead to the Bears at the half
in the playoffs, and then the collapse obviously kicking games,

(15:31):
special teams. Let you down with it. There's more to it.
How would you approach it? Let's just put you as
the GM. Obviously, Packers are different. President has to make
a decision. He's a new president. How would you approach it?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, I mean I think it's a tough decision when
you look at the whole way that the end of
the season fell apart for the Green Bay Packers and
sort of from my expectations where I thought they were
going to be this year. But the grass may not
always be greener. And knowing coach lafora I've worked with
Brian Goodkins for years. I think they have built a
really good football team here and I think that maybe
they underperformed down the stretch, of course, but that doesn't

(16:04):
mean just go clean house and like, let's start all
over and hopefully you can find something better. I think
you got to see this kind of fall apart, and
I know this sounds terrible because I don't think they will.
I think this team will be better again next year.
I think they'll be in the playoffs again next year
and hopefully they take another step. I think the big
thing I would be asking is good at friends that
I am with Brian Goudokiz is the first rounder's got
to have more impact. That's the one thing I feel like,

(16:24):
you know, Lucas, Vannas or Golden or all these that's
where I feel like we're skipping a little bit because
they're doing really good in mid rounds and late rounds
and finding guys and putting a team together. But the
first rounder has got to have a more impact than
I think. If I'm the president, I'm thinking about that,
but I'm not changing my GM. I'm not changing my
head coach.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, let me ask you about Matthew Golden because he
had the big his first touchdown reception was in the playoffs.
And I don't think that they drafted Matthew Golden because
of public pressure. I don't think that's the way the
general managers or presidents operate. But it was interesting, right,
you have the draft in Green Bay. They hadn't drafted
a first round pick, and lo and behold, now they're

(17:02):
going to go for it. And they draft a kid
who everyone thought, all right, that's a good value where
he was drafted, and yet very up and down in
terms of impact for his rookie season, considering he's a
first round draft pick wide receiver. What did you think
of it at the time, and what did you think
of why he didn't perform as consistently well as most

(17:24):
would deem worthy of where he was selected.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I worked with Matthew Golden.
I met with him multiple times. The kid is phenomenal, Right,
that's an important part. Like he's off the chart, So
that's where you can say, Okay, let's see what.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
The floor is. And I'm fraid he hit the floor, dug.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
And the reason why I don't know if he took
a step further is I feel like the packers need
somebody that's sixty two sixty three. I think you just
need a bigger target for you know, Jordan love to
you know, move the chains guy. He doesn't have to
be blazing fast. I just I feel like you want
somebody that you're like, hey, third down, we know we
can go here, and we're going to go here. And
so I feel like Golden kind of blended in with

(18:01):
the receiving crew they already had. And even though there
was talk like you know, Jordan, Lo's like we don't
really have a number one here or whatever, that whole
conversation was I'm afraid Golden kind of jumped in that
whole thing and goes, I didn't separate myself. He's got
the speed, and he's got the ability, and he's got
the mental intelligence. But I think they need a more
physical presence. I think they need a bigger body, a
bigger guy. And if you have to go back to

(18:22):
the well this year, I would because I want to
keep feeding that offense in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, remember they lost Tucker Craft as well, who became
that guy as their tight end. And I agree with you.
If you're going to be Matthew Golden size, you got
to be Steve Smith senior, right, you got to be
so incredibly explosive at that size, and this year he wasn't.
He wasn't that guy. What about negotiations, Okay, the talk
is that the negotiations broke down over whether it's money

(18:48):
and length, potentially over who else they need to hire
if they lose a coordinator, which appears likely to happen.
What's it really like? Because again, as a lad person,
I sit there and go like, you know, he's got
a year left, why do you have to extend him?
Why can't you. It's not like you're recruiting right where
you got to have four years in your contract or
it's hard to get high school recruits. Take me inside

(19:11):
these negotiations. You've been very much a part of it.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
And I think probably what they're thinking from a president's
standpoint is maybe adding two years, so three years total
length is what you're looking for. And there's no doubt
in my mind every agent's like, let's do a four
year package. Let's let's load this guy up, and this
is your guy, this is your GM, this is your
head coach. And obviously others separate entities and have separate representation,
but I have a feeling it was over the amount
of years of an extension and whether it was hey,

(19:36):
let's just add another year or ad two, and I
have a feeling they're like, let's add three or let's
add four, And that really slowed everything down. And I
think that's probably the sticking point. And you know, it's
just like a player, you know. And I think your
point is even stronger because there's no franchise tag for
a GM. There's no franchise tag for a head coach.
So if you want to really bet on yourself and
hope that you know, you believe that twenty twenty six

(19:56):
will be the season you know you could be the
hottest name ever and going right into free agency, and
that's something that you should consider. And I think coach Lafleur,
at his age and the money he's already made, Brian
Gutikins has been in the league forever and been a
GM now for a while, I think if they've got
their bag set, I think it's better for them to
wait and just kind of play this thing out and
even if it goes the wrong direction, you know, I

(20:18):
think they're still financially secure of what they've done so
far in the National footb League. So I think it's
it's probably the difference between two and a three year extension.
I don't think the conversations are completely dead. I just
think they're on pause. And I think what's going to
push this over the top, though, Doug, is when we
see these head coach and salaries come in on these
coaches and what the numbers really are, clubs are going
to be a little bit more And I think that's
probably what they're banking on.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
From the Lafleur camp.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Makes sense let's stay in the vision Lions. Dan Campbell's
not a play caller. Right. There just wasn't a rhythm.
It wasn't a rhythm to it. But as much as
people say, hey, go get Mike McDaniel, go get this guy,
go get that cut, you have to get somebody who
fits with the philosophy. The head coach got to get
somebody who fits with with the quarterback what fits what
they have in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, I just think it takes somebody that's got some
you know, I think that when Johnson was there, you know,
he was unique with the way he used AMNRA and
just kind of like found a way to package him
up and get the most out of him. You're looking
for a person that's going to be willing to say,
how can I get the most out of each individual
person instead of this is a system I'm bringing to Detroit,
right because I think that Detroit has such unique pieces.

(21:23):
When Sam Laporte is healthy, boy, there's a lot of
weapons there. You got the running back room, you certainly
obviously the wide receivers, the different things that they can do.
So I'm looking for somebody that can has shown there
has been in a system that has shown that multiple
players can do different things. It's like the forty nine
ers mindset, right, It's like when we have Kittle, we
can go to Kittle, but we can also use mccaffreys
and I can use different pieces in different matchups. And

(21:45):
so it's going to be more than that and just
bringing in I want to run this West Coast system
or I want to run this system. I think you're
looking for that coach that's been around, somebody that's been
able to say we're going to focus on the ball
here and we're going to get it there. I mean,
I was fortunate in Tampa to work with coach Cruden.
And you know what's amazing about Coach Cruden is it
long time ago he had, you know, Jerry Rice and
Tim Brown, and he found a way to give them

(22:06):
both like eighty catches and one thousand yards. To me,
that that's a special coach that can figure out how
do you keep everybody fed and keep the machine moving.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
I think you got to look that way.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Let's go to the Vikings.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
It's J. J.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
McCarthy absolutely the guy.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I was just meeting with some
Michigan guys again the other day that are coming out
in this draft, and boy, they all speak so highly
of him, so you know, it's not the it's not
the character of the guy, and it's not the leader
of the guy. It's the execution of the guy. Right
And and to me, you know, I'm still going one
more year with JJ as the starter.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
I don't feel like I really need to.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Put the big push behind him, Like I'm going to
let him be the guy, and I'm willing to be
wrong about it. And I would be comfortable doing that
if I was in Minnesota because I still think if
we can get the offensive line a little more secured
and maybe find him one more weapon, I think you
got to see what you got because too many it
feels like he's got it. But the problem is, coach,

(23:04):
you know, he only had flashes, like he barely put
together a full game, and that's very concerning. But I'm
going to give him one more year if I'm Minnesota,
because I still believe the guy is in there that
everybody craves and loves.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I do want to ask you about the Browns because
they're interesting, right. They let go Stefanski, they have two
rookie quarterbacks, they have a high draft pick, but the
but the draft class does not appear to be loaded
with the quarterback position, right, So what do you do?
I mean, look, I think the reality to it is

(23:38):
who they hire is going to tell you a lot
about their quarterback plans. Right. If it's a guy who
comes in and he's tied to a quarterback, you can
go one of these vets that might be on the market.
Maybe you could go get a you could go get
a Kyler Murray who could be available somebody else to
kind of keep it going for a year or two,
and then when the quarterback you want is in the draft,

(23:59):
go get it. You could stick with the two young quarterbacks,
build up their roster around them, and then again if
they work great. If they don't, you're kind of punting
for a year and continue to fill the kind of
your coffers as you save money in the quarterbacks. So
a lot of things you can do. I put you
in charge of the Cleveland Browns, knowing that Andrew Berry
drafted one of them may be drafted to I don't

(24:20):
know if the owner drafted Shad or I don't know,
but you and I have watched a bunch of Browns games.
Who do you hire and how do you approach quarterback?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean I would like to hire a previous
head coach. I want some stability. And I know that
Stefanski looks like he's going to get a job based
off the amount of interviews he's going to so I
think he's gonna be a head coach to where else.
But I'd like to get some stability, and I think
I might actually go for a defensive head coach and
rebuild what I think offensively they need to do. I
look at the two quarterbacks and say I would keep them,

(24:51):
and whoever wins is the number two. But I think
you're to your point. I think you have to go
out there and look at the available quarterbacks, whether it's
via trade or you know that's going to hit free agency,
and whether it's a Kirk Cousins and like, hey, look
like you said, keep the boat ashore and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Davis Mills, because that's a player that I still I'm
not fully sure that he's a bust in terms of
what he could be. Now that the Houston Texas have
got a real football team around it, who would c J.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Stroud has been able to do.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
He's a guy that's kind of little intriguing to I
think I'd passed on Kyler Murray just because I'm worried
about what everybody feels. And so I think I'm looking
for more of that stability type of player like again,
one that can get me through a season. But in
no way am I going to walk in with Gabriel
or should or Sanders as my possible number one or
else I've failed as a GM.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Okay, can Shadoor be in number two? And here's why
I ask? Okay, And maybe it changes if you bring
in a new coach and he has complete control. But
you know how this works. The backup quarterback is there
for one purpose, to get the starter ready, right, and
the backup quarterback college football, your backup quarterback can be
your most popular guy the NFL. It cannot, right, It's

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all about who that starter is. So can you have
Shador Sanders as your backup quarterback? Is as the plan?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I think that's the conversation I have with Shador Sanders
one on one or with.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
The head coach. The new head coach like, hey, look, we'll.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Give you an opportunity to compete for a roster spot,
but we're not saying you're going to be number one
or number two or number three. How it plays out,
how do you feel about that? And talk to him,
let him say to you, Yeah, coach, as long as
I get a fair shot of competing or whatever it
might be, I'm in. And I'll tell him. I'll tell Shador,
and I would tell his dad and I would tell him.
They all know it's a business. And so just because

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you're sitting here today and it's January seventeenth, doesn't mean
that you know, come February twenty eighth, that I don't
have another player in the building. So you can't assume anything.
You just got to compete to make it. This league's
tough and we're rotating players all the time. But do
you want to compete here and be part of this
or do you want to not compete here and feel
like you've got a better opportunity somewhere else. And if
he feels like, look, I'd rather be somewhere else. I'd
like to be in Dallas because I don't think Dak

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Prescott's going to play good. And that's my dad's team
where he ended up playing, really having a great tough career. Fine,
you know, I don't want it to be where no
matter what, I want him to onboard and saying I
want to compete here, or I don't know if it's
a great opportunity for me coaching. If it's not a
great opportunity, then let's ship you out.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I want to ask you about the Bears in terms
of the long term sustainability. Right, don't get me wrong.
If you're a Bears fan, you've been in it, you know,
for fifteen years. I mean, ex, Rex Grossman went to
the Super Bowl and there are questions about whether or
not he should be the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl. Right,
they've they've been through this before. A couple of things
jumped out to me. Even the Packers game. I thought

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they I thought when they were cute and tried to
run trick plays, I thought, I don't, no, I did
not think of work. I think it took away from
the fact they're a pretty good football team, and it's
like they it's almost like Johnson Ben Johnson has to
be cute and like, no, you're actually good at just
calling plays. Second part I thought, is, boy, he just

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not very accurate at times. Right, and you know, great,
you got to the playoffs, But you have your if
you're a Bears, you have your sites much bigger, and
you're what a year away from figuring out if you
want to give this guy a massive contract extension, and
I'm not sure if Caleb Williams has demanded that based
upon his play. And then the last thing is I

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thought it hurt two years ago when Detroit was in
San Francisco. Should have won the game, but odd decisions
as to when they went forward on fourth when they didn't,
and I thought they put themselves in bad position in
the first half constantly going for it on fourth down. Again,
the need to be cute instead of just being solid
and win the football game. So here's the question mark.
It was a very long way of getting into it,
which is is what they're building sustainable in the style

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in which they're building.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
So I'm with you. Caleb performed well this season, no
doubt about it. To me, the one hundred percent thing
that the Bears did last offseason was fixing that offensive line,
and really that has been the real reason why Caleb
has been a little more successful because they had a
little more time. When you put a joke Douni in
there and Drew Dollman what they were able to do
in terms of building offensive line. To me, that is everything,

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and so that's where the foundation is and can they
keep that together. I am not as confident either, you know.
I feel like this could be a really rough game
for the Chicago Bears. I'm happy to see them, you know,
being able to rebound the way they have, but I'm
still wanting to see another full season out of Caleb
Williams before I even think about an extension, and I
almost would like to see two more seasons. Quite frankly,

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I don't know what their rush is for all these
general managers to sign the guy quickly after year three
and give them seventy million dollars a year. I mean,
if that's the going market, I would rather wait till
after year four, like give me more information, and I
think Caleb still has to give you more information. Great
season of what they've been able to do. This one's
going to be very interesting in terms of cornerback play,
and certainly the wind and the weather are going to
be part of this whole conversation as well. But you know,

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I think if you're telling me which one's going to
struggle more and bad weather as much as Caleb practices it.
Stafford still has a better arm even today.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, and he done it. He's done it more often.
He's done it more often. You do all you get, Mark,
This is awesome. You can't wait to do this some more.
Thanks so much for doing us in the Doug Otleip Show.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
My pleasure, buddy.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
All right, let's turn to baseball now, as we welcome
in a dear friend of mine. He's a seven time
All Star, four times Silver Slugger, and most notably, most recently,
he produces baseball stars. Okay, right, Jackson's number one overall pick.
He starts for the Baltimore Baltimore Orioles Ethan was the
fourth overall pick. Team that selected Matt in the draft
as well, with the Colorado Rockies, and he's in their

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farm system, getting ready in a month to report to
his first kind of official spring training. Matt Holliday joins
us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Are the Dodgers
ruining baseball?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I don't think so. I mean I think I think.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Look, yeah, I think every team could afford that contract
with Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
They got a great deal. On the show.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Hey deal with him? Giving him all that backloaded flexibility.
I certainly think the perception amongst you know, most of
the people that are following baseball is this is going
to lead us to some sort of work stoppage or
salary cap or some sort of This is kind of

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the last straw of the current system that the Dodgers
can continue to spend this kind of money where you
have the smaller market teams crying poor and that they
have no chance to win now because the Dodgers can
simply just buy all the best players. And so I think,
you know, that's probably where we're headed. I think there

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could be some sort of work stoppage in twenty seven.
But I again, Doug, I think these owners have the ability.
There's have the ability to spend that kind of money
that are just choosing not to. I mean, they just
the payroll the Dodgers are willing to have. And obviously

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when you have a bigger market and wealthier owners, you
can spend more money.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
But I don't think they're ruining baseball.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
But I do think it's going to It's going to
bring something to a head soon.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh Okay, let's go. Let's go to the Brewers. Because
now if you're a Brewer fan, You're sitting there going like,
how do we compete with that? And yet in the
regular season they do. First, I have my own perception,
but I'm just a basketball coach and just a sports fan.

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Why are why have the Brewers? Why they look so
different in the playoffs as opposed to the regular season.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Well, they're pitching was a little banged up, I think,
if I remember correctly, in the in the postseason. Look,
I think the postseason, you know, is a little bit
of a crap shoot. You need you need, I mean
as I say that the Dodgers won with great starting
pitching one year.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
In the year before that, they won with great relief pitching.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
But typically, you know, you win with with a couple
of horses in front of your rotation. I don't think
they hit enough home runs. I think you win in
the postseason by hitting home runs.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
So pitching, power pitching, power hitting, your power hitting guy.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think so. I think.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Such a meathead. That's just such a meadhead answer. That
really is power pitching power. Don't you win now with bullpens?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I mean, and defense and timely hitting. And that's what
they had all season long.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah you can.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
And I think that that's again, I think that the
I don't think that there's a magic reason. I mean,
I don't think there's one thing you can point to
and go, this is why the Brewers are very successful
in the regular season and haven't been able to do
it in the postseason. I mean, the Dodgers are are
they're they're you know, they're extremely talented, and they have

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a lot of great players, and they have Hall of
Fame players up and down their roster. And during the
regular season, you're gonna lose some games, you may not
wind up with the best record, but when you get
into a seven game or a five game series with
a team with that much talent, they're really hard to beat.
I mean they have, you know, they have some of

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you know, Shoe Otani's maybe the greatest player that's ever
put on a uniform, and Freddie Freeman has been incredible
in the postseason, and they have Mookie Betts and they
have you know, they have an amazing team. But that
doesn't always mean you'll have the best record in the
regular season. So I love that about baseball. I think
that you can win different ways, like you just talked

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about I think you can win with pitching and defense
and timely hitting and bullpen, and but I think sometimes
when you run into a team that has that kind
of talent and in a series, it can be very difficult.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah, you just get kind of overwhelmed. Yeah, you just
get overwhelmed. One of the things for people who don't
know Matt is kind of a hitting savant, right like you.
Agencies send hitters to you in the off season for
you to help get them right, rediscover their swing. And
you and I have discussed hitting for a long time,

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and obviously you see it on a completely different level
than even other star Major leaguers. And one of the
things that's always impressed me is you can look at
somebody's swing and say he's gonna he's gonna hit well
for a long time. Where you can look at it.
There's guys that have great years that you're like, there's
a hole there and it's going to get exposed. Jackson
Curio right two years in he looks amazing, But again,

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is there a hole there? What are your thoughts on
what his trajectory is going to look like?

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, extremely talented. I think he's a he's got a
chance to be a perennial All Star. I think he
makes adjustments. Well, he had a lull this year. Some
people call it sophomore slump. You know, we talked about,
you know, teams start to figure out, you know, maybe
a hole. They find a hole and they and they
just live there until the hitter makes an adjustment. But

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I thought he did a really good job of making
the adjustment. I think he's you know, he's he's gonna
hit for our average. He's got he's got power. That's
a good place to hit homers. So I think he's
gonna hit maybe more homers. Uh there, then maybe if
he was in a more of a pitching friendly park.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
But I like him a lot.

Speaker 6 (36:20):
I think he's uh, you know, he's he's extremely young.
He's I think he's gonna be a you know, one
of these three four five.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Hundred million dollar players at some point.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
So if I was a Brewers fan or a Brewer's
front office, he'd be a guy that i'd be. I'd
be trying to get him locked up. And maybe they have.
I think they did.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, I think they did.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
They did the long term thing.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
Okay, yeah, great, Yeah, that's I mean That's what I
would have done. I mean, I think he's going to
be a great player.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I think I like him a lot. I think he's
but next.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Year and maybe the next year he's your he's your
three hole for the next you know, however long you
can keep him. Uh, you just pencil him in into
that three hole and an All Star kind of player.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
So I'm a I'm a big fan of his.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Mis came in obviously into the season, actually got into
the All Star Game, and I mean, his stuff is
just electric. People started to hit him later on the year.
You know, his last ten starts, he got lit up,
got lit up, gave up some runs a little bit.
When do you know where when a guy is sustainable? Right,
because they all come in young and they have unbelievable stuff.

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But then whether it's injuries or people start to figure
out or tipping pitches. You know your thoughts on Mis
and when we'll know if that early success is sustainable.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously the fastball velocity overwhelmed
guys a little bit early, and then you know, his
his breaking ball is so hard that if it's if
he's executing those who pitches we saw you saw what

(38:03):
could happen now? You know, if he if his command
is a little erratic and he starts to fall behind
in predictable counts, Uh, you start to have to throw
your fastball in fastball counts. I think that's when it
doesn't matter if you throw a hundred and two. If
big league hitters know that you have to come to
the middle of the play and hitters counts, they're they're

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going to be able to do damage.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
And so uh for a guy like him, Uh, to me, it's.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
It's going to be because eventually that velo is gonna
come down a little bit as he gets older. But
how his second and third pitch development continues. Obviously, like
I said, when his slider is on, it's disgusting. I
think he's shown signs of of having a good change up.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
But what separates you know, incredible stuff.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
To to to a guy that you can pencil in
as an ace that wins fifteen to twenty games every
year with an e r A and the high twos
low twos. Somewhere in there I think is uh consistency
with command. And if he can command the ball, then
even if his VLO drops a little bit, you know,
in the next five six years, which typically it will

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come down a little bit. You still got to be
able to pitch. And I think that's where the second, third,
and fourth pitches. Uh, the guys the best, the best
guys like Kershaw and Bumgardner and some of these guys
that have you know, they they developed a pitch kind
of every couple of years. Remember when I first broke in,
Kershaw was just fastball, curveball, and then he developed that

(39:39):
slider that became like his uh yeah, his signature pitch.
And and then so Bumgardner too, Like he came in
as a kind of a four seam cutter guy, and
then all of a sudden, you know, he developed a
high end breaking ball, curveball to slow slow you know,
it was a slow pitch because all this stuff was
so firm.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So it's uh, it's got you know, guys.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Like that, they they they're able to add pitches and
and uh and continue to make their repertoire unpredictable and
and and and throw strikes and and be able to
use those pitches and hitters counts. So that'll be you know,
that'll be the thing to watch for with him. And
I'm sure they're there their coaches know that.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I like these you still go repertoire instead of repertoire, right,
you know, like you're you're still still water Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Right, Yeah, I'm high school educated. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, no, I mean, listen you. I don't like when
people pick and shoes which one they go with, the
you know, proper pronunciation of it. You know, it's like
we play on a soccer field, not a pitch. You
don't have to say why. You can say Uruguay. And
it's a foyer, not a foyer, right, it's a it's
you know, it's a beer, it's not a bottle of beer.

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I want to ask you about the Cards. Of course,
you want a world series with the Cards. You're kind
of synonymous, uh with with the Cards. Gone are the days,
at least in the last three years of the ninety
win seasons, let alone one hundred win seasons, right, And
we talk about what the Brewers have done and their
ability to sustain this thing. Where are the Cardinals, not

(41:14):
just in that division, but as an organization in the
attempt to rebuild it back to to the glory days
of when you were there.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, I mean, so there's a transition going on.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Obviously, John Mozaylock is out of the organization as far
as making any decisions go h with personnel, and he'm Bloom,
who's kind of been a close eyed GM the last
two years.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Kind of this transition period.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
I you know, it was kind of weird for me
just on the outside looking in to have two GMS
or you know, a GM and waiting who had already
been a GM.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So it wasn't kind of it wasn't like a mentorship
type of deal.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
You know, Heim Bloom had already been a GM, and
so he was you know, busy, you know, redeveloping the
minor league system, sort of catching up with a lot
of the stuff where they felt they had felt like
they've kind of fallen behind on some of the you know,
the R and D and the and then and just
the minor league system of development that they had fallen behind,

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and the and the cupboard has gotten had gotten a
little bear with with with their minor leagues.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
So he's been.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
And you know, kind of behind the scenes working on
getting the pharm system back up and and producing and
and uh now he takes over as the full time
I guess President Baseball operations slash GM running the organization
as far as the you know, the big league team goes.
So they trade aeron Otto, they trade contrarists, they trade

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Sonny Gray.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know, I don't know how good the pitchers are.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
They got back A couple of them have been in
the big leagues a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I don't know what they got in return.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
A lot of it feels like salary relief, certainly Aeronatto
for a guy that hasn't thrown a professional pitch yet,
and they threw in most of the money.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Til I a giveaway.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So what I guess the question is what's the plan? Right? Yeah,
I'm okay. If the plan is all right, Hey this
year they're gonna dump a bunch of money and they're
just gonna build farm system and load up and it's
gonna be a slow build. Or is the plan again
like what, I I don't know what the plan is.
That that's a big thing.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
Yeah, I agree, That's kind of been what I've I've
talked about in various platforms, is is that are you
going to Are they freeing up that money to put
that money back into the roster. Are they freeing that
money to to to hit free agency next year. Are
they freeing that money up to hit free agency in

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two years or are they putting that money in into
minor league coaching or development.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
I think as a Cardinal fan, you just kind of go, yeah,
what is the plan? And how good are our young players?
You know they have They have several young players to
me that you still don't know quite what they are.
You know, I think Mason Win is a good player.
I think he's got a potential to be a really
good player. Uh they have a young prospect named JJ

(44:18):
Weatherholt who's got a chance to be an All Star
caliber player. I like his swing a lot, really good hitter,
good college hitter. First round pick. They picked a pitcher
from Tennessee who has a great arm in this past draft.
Uh So, I think there's there's some guys coming. But
I think as far as when you look at the
current roster as a fan, I I mean, there's not

(44:41):
a lot to get excited.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
About to come to the ballpark.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
And last year the fans kind of showed that the
attendance was way down, and they certainly haven't done anything
this offseason to to bring them back. As far as
get them excited. Look at To me, it looks like
a complete rebuild. They've tried to him and Haw about
it's a you know, we're just kind of what however

(45:04):
you want to say it.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
You know, people say reload, right, yeah, building, we're reloading.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
To me, it's it looks like going down to the studs.
Kind of more like a Houston Astros situation a few
years ago, several years ago before.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
They twenty thirteen, I think was the was the was
the very rock bottom.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah. So I don't know, it's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Nobody wants to say it. Yeah, but that's the way
you do it. Yeah, it just it just is right.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, Like you don't want to be in the middle.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, no, no, in the middle is purgatory.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, yeah, you don't want to be stuck in the middle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Well, let me let me ask you about something. So
when I talked to the Brewers guys, they said, look,
everybody who who's in the field for us was a
shortstop at some point in their life, in their in
their in their baseball life. And I do think they
were ahead of it in terms of when the rules changed.
You needed more athleticism, right the days of you know,

(46:01):
shoving a guy in a position and hoping the ball
didn't go there, and using the offensive analytics I think
are kind of over plus. You need speed on the
base paths. Where are you on drafting athletes above maybe
positional baseball players?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, I mean I think that that's sort of been.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
Part of part of baseball for a long time, that
shortstops can play anywhere on the field. So if you
if you even if you have a great shortstop and
there's one available, you draft him. And I think, you know,
even if you looked at the Orioles, they drafted three
shortstops in the first round three years in a row,
with Jordan Westburg, Gunner Henderson Well, Gunner was a second
round pick, but Jordan, Gunner and Jackson or maybe maybe

(46:47):
inside of four years they drafted those three players something
like that, all shortstops coming out of two you know,
one Jordan was out of college and Jackson and Gunner
out of high school and they all three, you know,
can't play shortstop, but you know Jordan plays third and
Jackson plays second, and so I think this has been
something where you know, front offices trust if if you

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can play shortstop, they can movee just about anywhere on
the field, you know, except for maybe catcher or you know,
but you can pretty much most shortstops can play anywhere else.
So I think that that's that's interesting, you know that
the you know, that is kind of the identity of
the Brewers. A bunch of guys that can play different positions,

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steel bases, manufacturer runs.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Uh, it's a fun brand of baseball to watch.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
I think Murph embodies that kind of baseball, like he
likes that action kind of baseball. And and so it's
been it's been very successful for them, and so.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
They've they've kind of found a niche.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
Of players that maybe some other teams underlooked, are overlooked
and underappreciate it. And they've they've plugged him into roles
that have allowed them to have a lot of success.
And and they've they've put up amazing, you know, win
totals the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Matt, great stuff. As always, thanks so much for joining us.
We look forward to more conversations in the future.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
So we welcome in the team captain for the Green
Bay Phoenix. He's also a minority Packers owner, as so
many of you are. Preston Rudinger, known as Rudy, joins
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. There's a lot
there's a lot of want to get to Let let's
start with this, what do you do with Lafleur if
you were in charge?

Speaker 5 (48:40):
I'm keeping them too many injuries over the year. Obviously,
Parsons went down, a cl Craft went down, a cl
uh DeAndre Wyatt got hurt. She's an ending injury. You know,
They're just banged up all year. And I feel like
over the past two seasons we've said that a lot.
And I think the thing that sucks is the flours.
I think three and seven now in the playoffs, and

(49:02):
you know, being from Green Bay and the franchise we are,
we want wins in the playoffs and that's really ultimately
what matters. But I feel like now that John signed
with the Giants, there's no one better than Matt. I think,
you know, our offense puts up numbers and I feel like, yeah,
there was a three game stretch there we felt like
we couldn't score a touchdown, but I think we keep them.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Did you feel that way when the game was over
or did you want to fire? No?

Speaker 5 (49:26):
I wanted I wanted him gone the second after, but
I cooled down, took the emotions out of it, and yeah,
he's our guy.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, I guess there is a certain kind of devil,
you know, versus devil you don't, right, sure, And again,
like I'll just tell you my position as a coach, like, right,
we're looking at like for people to understand when you're
looking at your roster, it's not they It's not just
that they want to go in the portal. Sometimes you
want them to go in the portal. They're like, you know,
you should probably think about it, but there is there's

(49:58):
a value in retention. On the other hand, being a
guy who's also a Charger fan, I can tell you
that there's PTSD from those type of losses. Right when
they lost to the Jaguars a couple of years ago,
they had a big lead to half the next year,
there was always there was never a lead where you
felt comfortable because of it. So you do just so
you understand that the Packers are going to carry that

(50:20):
kind of scarlet letter going forward. What is it about
his approach, their approach, their team, Jordan love that it
does feel like and we have had some of the
same problems where closing the deal can be an issue.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
I just feel like sometimes, you know, inconsistency, I would say,
I think like you said, I mean even sometimes we
struggle with it. I mean, I feel like the Packers
never put forty or sixty minutes together the whole year.
They're either really good in the second half where Jordan
Love has gotten it in air and out. But you know,
I feel like also a run game wasn't as where

(50:58):
it needed to be. I think that opened up a
lot of the play action stuff, and we're elite, elite
at play action. I think that's one of our strong suits.
But the other thing, you know that you know, always
in the back of my mind is we got to
make a kick. I mean, obviously that sucks for McManus,
and I know he was injured all year and who
knows what his health was like. But that's seven points

(51:20):
and fifty five ardor is a long kick in the wind,
cold in Chicago. But kind of sucked to me the
first one. Obviously they called the time out, but you know,
we got to execute, you know, kicking, and then we
just need to be I think like Wisconsin football, you know,
we ground Ron and pound. That's why we brought Josh
Jacobs here, and I think that will even open up

(51:41):
Jordan Love even more.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah. No, And then when you lose lineman to injuries,
that that hurts it. And also you lose Tucker you know,
Tucker Craft is just he became the security blanket or
Jordan Love, especially in you know, third yard, third down situations,
and you lose that type of big target and you know,
must Grave just not been that guy. They just haven't
had that got Mercedes Lewis was the last guy who

(52:05):
was was was that guy for for the Packers? What's
cooler as a as an owner of the Packers?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
The first ever Packers game or the first Packers game
you can drink at?

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Oh, that's really hard. Did My first ever Packer game
was Tom Brady when it came to town in like
twenty fourteen when the Packers won.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So who you twenty? Then?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I think I was eleven, But no, that seeing Tom
Brady and Lambeau in just like the atmosphere like it
was like, oh my gosh, tom Brady's in town and
the Patriots I think it was in twenty fourteen, and
I remember they won twenty six to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Who is the.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Packers Packers Packers one? And I think, like, you know,
I don't know, having your first beer in Lambo, it's
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Was when was the first beard? Do you remember that?

Speaker 5 (53:01):
For airing purpose? We're going to go sometime after No,
you can, you don't.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Have to, Like, we're real people here. This is Green Bay, Wisconsin.
I would have thought, like my first beer in my
first game were the same time. What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Yeah, well not eleven, but no, it was. It was
also a little hard no drinking with Pops around because
he was the high school coach could do that. So yeah,
well we'll say around college.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
And that's it's close in comparison because it it is.
It's it's part of the whole thing, right, It's again,
it's part of the whole thing. It's like one of
those I'm a just just just for full disclosure, Okay,
So I've been a Charger fan. I always like the
Packers born Milwaukee, and when we moved away, Packers were terrible.
I was still a Packers fan even in the nineties

(53:46):
before far in southern California and then the Rams and
the Raiders moved away and nobody liked the Rams and
they played right down the street from me and the Raiders.
I didn't fit the demo. I just wasn't so so
I became a Charger fan because the Chargers had Bobby
Ross was their coach. Was like, he's like Boss Ross, right,

(54:07):
they had Natron means Natron means business. Was they're running
back he's I mean, he'd looked like a lineman back there.
And then they had stand the Man Humphreys, which I
mean he literally looked like a mechanic back there throwing
throwing the football. But somehow they got the Super Bowl.
They got blasted by the Niners. I became a Charger
fan because the parking is such an issue at so far,

(54:28):
and frankly it was a huge issue when they played
in the soccer stadium. Pro games in most of the
country aren't about tailgating. College games are about tailgate. Lambo's different.
Lambo is about the whole day, Like that's your whole day.
So I can't tell you how many times, like I've
shown up at you know, eleven o'clock for a noon
Packer game and people are like, where you been. I

(54:49):
was like, well, the game doesn't surf for an hour,
like we've been here for like five hours, dude, Like
where are you? What are you doing? Like that's not
how you do it. So there is something too when
you it's one thing to go to Lamb the first
time you go. That's cool because you walk in and
it literally feels like you're walking back in time. But
there's also something about it's almost like you need two trips.

(55:10):
This is here you go, Rudy, here's some good old
man advice. Right, Okay, when you buy a house, When
you buy your first house, okay, you're gonna you're gonna
go house hunting and you're gonna walk in the house
and be like, oh my god, I love it. And
you know, if it's Ama, she's gonna go like, I
love it. Let's see this can go here, and this
can go here, and this can everything. Especially when it's
like fresh paint or it's new or newly redone, you're

(55:34):
gonna love everything about it. You're like, I want an offer.
I want to do it right now, Like let's do
this right now. You start calling your bet, your your
your banker, your mortgage guy. You start looking at like
how much is insurance? When are we paying a month.
How much is gonna put down? Oh, you start calling
your dad. Your Dad's like, let me come check it out.
You're like, no, no, no, I got this. Okay, what you
gotta do is you got to come back the very
next day and walk the house. Cause I can tell

(55:56):
you I've done this before. Where we were moving from.
I left Espno, went to CBS, and it was in
twenty twelve, twenty fourteen. They moved me back and we
were going to work. I was gonna work out of
New York City, and I never forget. We went in
this one house that was probably thirty five to forty
minutes outside of the city. It was in New York
and we went in and I was like, it had

(56:18):
five acres in the backyard, had this sick pool, it
kind of looked like a resort. Had this little, uh
a detached garage, and you know it was it had.
It was at the end of a cul de sac,
so it was safe, but it was kind of separated
from people. But you thought, Okay, maybe there'll be some
kids there. I don't know. Anyway, I love the house,
like literally want to make an offer. So I bought

(56:40):
a lot of houses. I was like, let's go back
the next day. The next day I came back and
I was like, something was different about this. I don't
know what it is, right, So the first thing is
I opened the back door and there's this pool and
it's got like a water feature that makes all this noise.
So I'm looking and there's like literally and granted it's
a five acre property. It's one of the reasons it

(57:00):
had five acres was there's an interstate at the very
back end of the property, and between the foliage and
the water feature, it kind of blended out some of
the noise. But if you turn off the water feature, like,
holy crap, I'm living on a freeway. And then I
love the kitchen. And then I was like, what is
it about the kitchen I don't like? And then I
realized that the kitchen had been the garage, and the

(57:22):
garage had been built separately, and so, you know, a
kitchen is usually the centerpiece of the house. Instead it
was like the entry point of the house, and if
you're watching TV, it's like on the other side of
the house. So if you have friends over, you're like
back forth, back forth. I just moved on from it.
So the point is that you have to experience some
things twice. Everybody says you gotta do it once, Like

(57:44):
not really kind of got to do it twice. What
do you think of the idea of if you're gonna
do Lambeau, you do Lambeau, you do the game, but
you got to do Lambeau do it right with like
some locals, with the tailgate with some buddies and do
like a whole day thing.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
I totally agreat It's the only way to do it.
I mean, you got to go to a stadium view,
you gotta go to all those bars, and then you
gotta go find some random tailgate and just be like, hey, guys,
I'm here for the game.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
That's the crazy part is you can walk by and
I understand when you're a coach, like people like, hey, coach, coach,
come overead take a shot with us, you drink a
beer with us. But even if some people don't recognize me, whatever,
it's the weirdest, friendliest tailgate thing, like the whole Midwest
nice thing. It's not always totally accurate, right, but in

(58:27):
the in the parking lot of Lambeau pregame, because postgame
it can be get a little rough, especially if the
pack lose but pregame. Literally you could go, you could
get drunk and never pay a penny for a beer.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Never.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Just so, what's the keys? What do you have to do?
What do you have to say?

Speaker 5 (58:44):
We have to wear simple? You wear a packer's jersey,
You say at the bears, yes, and then you say, hey,
do you want a shotgun?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, come on over, let's go. Okay, this is airing
and it will air in perpetuity after we beat Oakland. Right,
but this has been a long, long, long journey for you.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
What was like you came out of high school? It
was COVID had been your senior year, so that where
there no with there no playoffs.

Speaker 5 (59:14):
There was playoffs, but they shut down my junior year
of playoffs.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
So where were you in the playoffs when it shut down?

Speaker 5 (59:20):
We were a game before state?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
And who are you going to match up with? Are
you gonna play?

Speaker 5 (59:25):
I don't even remember? Oh I know it is we
lost that last game to go to the game before state.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
But oh so you lost, so it didn't actually affect you.
So you're kind of you were kind of acting like
it affected You're like, we actually lost, Yeah, I guess, okay, okay,
and so uh but then everything shut down and what
was what was it like trying to make a decision
on what you're going to do in college when nothing's

(59:53):
open and there are no it's not like you can
go and play in front of college coaches. What was
that process?

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Like? I mean, it was it was hard. I mean
I also did play on a team that was really
sponsored by a circuit going into my junior year. Obviously
I played for Mike McCarthy's a team that he built,
and so we were on the Adidas circuit. But you
go to all these ADDS tournaments and there's no one there, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
You played like the like the Gold level whatever instead
of the open over or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Yeah, so like we were on the circuit, but we
weren't on the circuit, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And then for people who don't understand how that works,
and let me just interject real quick for people don't
understand it works. Okay, So the circuits, those teams they
get a credit so they don't spend money, right, the
Adidas will fly them around the country and they'll help them,
they give them shoes whenever, and then the rest of
them are money makers for the circuit, right, and then
they say you're on the circuit, but you're not really

(01:00:51):
on the circuit because you have to pay for the uniforms,
you gotta pay for the tournaments, gotta pay for everything,
but you're paying for exposure. And then college coaches unless
there's somebody you know, like you've really done the work,
and especially if you're a low major college coach or
d you do college coach like again, you're just playing
really to put together a film to send to somebody
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Yeah, and it was really hard for me too because
my dad was my high school coach and he was
my AU coach, So you know when college coaches like
can I talk to a coach and I'm like, well,
it's my dad, You've already talked to him, and they're like,
I don't know. It just brushed people off, But no,
it was really hard. So I had a couple of
D two offers, and then they pressured me into obviously
wanting to commit right away, and I just wasn't ready

(01:01:30):
because I wanted to come to agree bout high school.
And I had a conversation with the Link Darner staff
right before they got fired and obviously a week later
they got fired, so that that just kind of fell through.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
But that was that was at your senior year.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Yeah, that was my So let's go through the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Things that went wrong for you, right, like out of
loyalty and by the way, something little to you, like
what are you gonna do to your dad? Like, Hey,
I'm gonna go play for hero you know, hey love you?
But you know playmakers plays in a circuit something like that, right, so, uh,
you're independent essentially au program. Hey, then COVID takes away

(01:02:12):
the spring and the summer. Green Bay who you wanted
to go play for? Link Darner got fired? Right, So
now you're sitting there like uh oh yeah, so how
did it happen with AUTPO?

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
So my dad was new an assistant coach Matt Bone
on staff. Yeah, Matt Boone was at Platteville or River
Falls when my dad was in college. So Matt Bone
coached against my dad and that connection grew and then
I mean basically on the spot, I was like, all right,
I'm coming. That's really all I have. It was either
that or Michigan Tech. And I respectfully to Michigan Tech.

(01:02:46):
I did not want to go up up North and
we can make fun of coach Keel because he didn't
recruit me. So that's fine. But after you know, I
said hot and is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
That how you pronounced it, Holden, I think it's it's
kind of a cool town. I went up there for
the Tech Northern game last year in the playoffs. It's
a cool town.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
It is his way thell out there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Oly. Yeah, you know you got you gotta go your
your You're like deep.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
Youper for deep.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Youuper to go up there for that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, not a big fisher. It's kind of not Wisconsin
to me, but it's not my thing. I don't know.
You played golf, Yeah, golf, yeah for sure, but you
got to play golf up there for two months.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
It's like it's like a pre wreck for every Wisconsin
kid right where you got to either fish, hunt or
play golf. Two of the three you don't hunt though,
I don't know, so one of the three.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
And one of the three I'm kind of an outlayer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, but you're also a packer fan and owner, so
that that's kind of two out of four for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
there's got to be one other thing that's that's definite.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
That's drink beer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, well else, Yeah, you can't be like a non
drinker who doesn't play golf, doesn't fish, likes the vikings, right,
Like you're like you you're living in the wrong state,
totally living in the in the in the wrongs. Okay,
so you go there. What was that like your freshman
year as a walk on?

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Yeah, it was different. I felt like in the beginning,
like you weren't respected, no offense to the other walk
ons u VOPO, but like they were there for engineering.
It's an engineering school, so the walk ons there were engineers.
They're you know, we're told probably you're never gonna play,
but like they just wanted to be a part of
the team and they're like still one of my best

(01:04:26):
buddies to today. So you had to earn respect, and
you know, obviously that was kind of hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
First couple of months were hard just because you were
in drills. You really weren't in drills, but you were
kind of getting the layout. And then you know, the
season comes around and it's an exhibition game and they
throw me in there because at that at that time
we were going to red shirt before the year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Who'd you who was the exhibition against.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
A d two lost twice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yeah, but who is the one that you got thrown
in there against?

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
Maybe? Okay, and so we got we threw in there.
I got thrown in there, and I played pretty well,
you know, did what I was supposed to do, and
then kind of talked like okay, maybe we won't red shirt,
like you could be in the rotation. In about like
the day before our first game versus Toledo, they're like,
we're gonna rentret you was like, all right, that's fine.

(01:05:16):
That was the plan, like get bigger and stronger, get better.
And then about fifteen games into the season, they're like
you want on a red shirt? Me as, yeah, I
want to play, throw me in there. So then finished
out that year, ended up winning.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
But that was that was COVID year, right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
No, that was the year after, so we don't wait,
I was the first class that did get a COVID year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
No, but it was. It was the first year after COVID. Yes, right,
so where there's in there limited number of people like
what was it in like in Indiana? I don't know, because
I did. I traveled and did games that year and
like we need big ten games. You couldn't be down
on the court level. You had to be up on
the concourse level calling the game.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
Yeah, it was. It wasn't that much different.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Honestly, I'll tell you what it was different for me
as a broadcaster was I'd go early and talk to
the coaches, and even ones that usually weren't friendly to
me were like so friendly because they had no human
interaction with anybody else. Like literally, they're like, dude, come
and hang out and like you sure, like, yeah, we don't.
No one hangs out with us. We just hang out
with each other. And then we have like six foot
barriers with everything.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It was so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
Yeah, we still had the COVID rule where if you
had COVID you had to stay away for seven days
or something like that, but that was about the only barrier.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
How many games did you play?

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
I played? I don't know the math, but I think
it was sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Maybe I think we got to get another year for you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
I know, I agree, And then why not?

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Right puff? Johnson just got another year and I have
no idea why.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Hey, I'm only twenty two. Were Mels twenty nine? So
that means they got but why not? But no?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
And then like, hey, listen if there's a lawyer. Can
we call Kruber? Can we get can we figure out
some way somebody to sue you were forced to take
the red shirt off? Right? I agree, Yes, there was
definitely definitely. What was it Like, I'm in like they
get fired, right and when you're a walk on you don't.

(01:07:10):
It's not I can tell you, like when you get
the job and like somebody's walking Like, dude, I have
a lot of things on my plate, that's not one
of them.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
What was that like, Well, it was kind of easier
just because I was all freshman team in the Valley,
so that was easier, like people knew me and stuff.
But that second year a retro because I got surgery
on my shoulder, So that was I was like, basically,
I'm gonna play nine games and then we're gonna call
it because it just wasn't going for me. But then yeah,

(01:07:38):
the next coach came in and I met Max Nelson.
He's obviously on Fort Wayne now, but he was a
really good friend and we were kind of like, hey,
let it's kind of the plan. Let's go back to
Green Bay because Lottick got fired at Valpol and it
was like, hey, let's let's go home. Ultimately he thought
it was the best decision to go to Fort Wayne.

(01:07:59):
But no, I was right. When UH Coachalanak got fired,
I was like, I want to go to Green Bay's.
I didn't even take another call from anyone else, and
other some other schools are interested, but I said right
from the jump, I'm going to Green Bay and Center.
Sonny better take me here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Problems fast forward to now. Regardless of how it ends, right,
I would say that anybody who's watched you can see
your personal improvement and what you've done for the program.
What's it like to have gone through all of that?
I mean you've literally injured just about every part of

(01:08:38):
your body. Basically you had two concussions last year, you
had a small is it called an ablasion? What was
the what was the fractional evulsion in your ankle? You've
had a knee thing, you tore your oblique class year,
you had the shoulder. Like it's literally been to go
through all that, but then ultimately again and wherever we finish,

(01:09:02):
it's way better. Right. What's this experience been like for you?

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
I mean, it's been amazing experience. Honestly, you know, my
ultimate goal coming year was leave it a better spot
than when you game and obviously, you know there were
three and twenty nine and that's kind of you know,
hard to leave it worse. But like just a culture,
I think bringing a good culture or building the culture
and being part of that and then ultimately winning games

(01:09:30):
is the most important part. But you know, I built
a family not only with the players and the coaches,
but the fans. You know, I'll have lifelong friends not
only on the basketball floor but off the basketball for
basketball floor too. But no, it's it means the world
to me obviously that we started off really good, and

(01:09:51):
you know, I love that. You know, three of our
key contributors came back last year in college basketball world
where everyone just jumped ship, especially after that year when
we were four to twenty eight, but no, three of
our guys came back and their key contributors, and you
know that that means a lot. I feel like that
can just like show our culture that we started last year,

(01:10:12):
not just me, but everyone coaches, players that we truly
love each other. And I think that's a big reason
why we have had our start. We're a united, you
know unit, and we're going to do anything we can
to win, and I think that you know, this start
is only the beginning and we have a lot more
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Okay, so now you can help me out, and there'll
be a lot of people help watching this that can
help us out. Obviously, you know, money helps guys want
to stand, but it's not the only thing, but it
is definitely a part of the conversation. So if you
were to tell me, and you know, we obviously got
to have this talk off air as well, how do

(01:10:51):
you how do I keep the guys right? Because because
if you keep cycling through, Oh, he's a higher rated
player and he's a rate a player. Again, if you
look at our starting lineup, you had no scholarship offers
out of high school, correct, Kateen Wilkins had no scholarship
offers out of high school. C J O'Hara had no
scholarship offers out of high school. They both came here
as walk ons. Justin Allen notly no scholarship offers out

(01:11:15):
of high school. Last year in the portal, we were
the only ones who offered him. I think others may
have come around offered him, but none of them offered
him right, So only Marcus who was he was recruited,
but like you know, Marcus was kind of an easy
one because he just likes it. He loves Green Bay,
loves this area, and wants wants to stay here. So
we've been able to get guys and keep guys that

(01:11:37):
were undervalued and again winning with our culture, winning by
kind of teaching them how to win, how to play,
and kind of using that retention. How do we keep
doing that? Like, what is the what's the ways which
you truly honestly retain players?

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
You know, I think a big thing for me in
retaining players is if you go up a level quote
unquote to the you know, Missouri Valley. Let's just use
the Missouri Valley as an example. They're a one big
league last year they what year was Indiana State could
have easily went to the tournament. But guess what, they're

(01:12:15):
a one big league two years ago. Yes, and you
might make let's say fifteen thousand dollars more a year,
but you're missing out on two years where you've grown
a program. Well, u c JFCJ left and went to Missouri,
the Missouri Valley, you wasted two years of being in
the program. You was solidified that you're one of the
best players on the team. You know, you know the culture,

(01:12:38):
you can build a culture, you've built a community, and
to go over to We'll use Valparaiso and an example. Just
go to Valpo and start fresh. You never know what's
going to happen. And I think that when you establish
a culture at a school and you know, maybe maybe
we'll say we can't compete with Wisconsin just with the
money bases. Right, but if he has scholarships, he's first

(01:13:01):
team and he wants to go to Wisconsin, he's getting paid,
that go ahead. But listen, if you're gonna go to
another mid major, that's one mid league, it's no different
than Green Bay. And to lose all the progress you've made,
you know what, the community with the team, I feel
like it's a mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
The term is sweat equity, right, you got sweat equity,
and it's it's a lot like you know. I mean,
obviously I told you can join the staff. I'm sure
you could work anywhere here. It's like Ryan Wade, right,
Like Ryan Wade, he makes more than all of our
assistant coaches, just because everybody in Green Bay loves Ryan Wade.
And that was a guy that stayed and I didn't

(01:13:38):
give him scholarship last year, right me, dummy me, and
then started playing him late in the year and he
had an awesome finish to his career. So no, I
understand what you're saying. I'm saying what here's my belief.
I think we gotta make it so good for dudes,
And so when I tell people, hey, show up at

(01:13:58):
the Cress, it's because the only the biggest difference I
think between the valley and the horizon is the crowd size.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
You know it really is, like and I can't control
what happens at Fort Wayne. I can't control what happens
at at Wright State or at Cleveland State. Whatever. What
I can do is tell you that if if Green
Bay puts that four thousand people in the Cress every
game and we're anywhere from near competitive financially, not only

(01:14:27):
will CJ and other guys want to stay, but all
the other guys like yourself that are gone elsewhere be like, well,
I want to come home and play like that's what
I want to do, Like that's the dream. And I
think if you find the right guys that there's get Look,
if you're going to make half a million dollars or
more playing it at min Madison or even playing at
Minnesota or whatever. Like, I can't begrudge that because you know,

(01:14:49):
if you're getting to five six x of what we
can pay you, like again, you should probably go do that.
I do think there's an argument for if it's your
senior year, you can have your name on the wall.
I don't know maybe, but outside of that, again, it's
one of the reasons that when you tell people, yes,
does it help us in terms of wins and losses? Yeah,
we feel the place we're not losing. But it's also

(01:15:12):
it makes it so that like why would I ever leave?
I like, we try and take care of guys with
their food. We're trying to get all everything when they
live better. We're trying to be competitive with what we
pay guys. I don't think the biggest a hole, although
I do have that, as you know in me right,
But the bigger thing is like if every time you
roll out there, that place is three quarters to all

(01:15:33):
the way full, Like why would you go somewhere else
just to take a check and play for a coach
that you don't really know and they don't know how
you play for sure makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
There's two good examples. I'll even bring up, you know, Ramel,
even after our last clear of State game goes, there's
nothing like playing in the Cress. And I was like,
you're totally right, Like the energy and vibes are totally different.
And guess what that's about half the people who are
gonna get for Oakland and these other games knowing that
we're good. So like, you're totally right. I think like
even the players. Vermel has never been a part of it,

(01:16:04):
but he sees that. And then the other example I'll
give you is like, you know, one of our donors,
Scott Perry, just text me and Kate and hey, you
want to come over and hit golf balls on the stimulator,
Like you know you're not gonna get that anywhere else.
And I think that in the family style community of
Green Bay, like that's a seller and that's something that
you're gonna want to do even after basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Plus Blot gives us all the steaks, sure, really good.
Favorite cut of steak is what play? How do you
cook it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Meet him? Rare?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
No, but how do you cook it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
I leave that to you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Don't cook steak?

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
No, I don't know how to cook steak. I don't
know how to cook anything. Really, I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
You're you're my dad.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
I'm gonna blame it on my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Your dad can't work a grill.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
No, he's not where he's not a real guy. My
grandpa on the other hand, my dad will even admit it.
He's not a real guy. But my grandpa on the
other hand, we're gonna have to get in the lab
after basketball, or.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
You just come over to my house. You know I can.
I can do everything from air fryer to oven, to
on a skillet, to on a flat top to on
a grill. Now what I can't do, I don't do
like cast roles and stuff. And then I don't clean.
That's just not my deal, right, I mean as part
of like why my marriage was so good for so

(01:17:20):
long is she didn't like to cook, and but she was.
She's like the cleanest human being ever ever. Like we
always call my house the museum. My house now not
a museum, right unless I hire a professional cleaner lead,
But it's good m cooks. How does how does she
make mistake on the band?

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Because the apartment has a dumb roll where you can't
have a grill, or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
She do pan but then into the oven, or she
just do pan in the whole stud I do pan
in the oven, in the oven, I will I'll do
I'll do Jedi training whenever. Now do you win? Okay?
So the perfect meal is a filet with what else?

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
I like?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Asparagus is the it's like the perfect blend. Right you
feel like, Okay, I'm a little healthy, and I like
a pig. But the flay no fat? Or does it
feels like no fat? So that's that's pretty? And then
what else?

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Potato?

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Well, then there goes the whole dietary stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
And then you know mac and cheese too. We're gonna
sprinkle something something else in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
There, Okay? And then do you have a beer with
that meal? Or do you do?

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
For sure, you can have a beer with any meal,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
But but that doesn't spoil the meal. And anyway you
bring up flavor. God, I am so not I'm so
not full Wisconsin. I mean honestly, like, I'm not against beer.
I like beer, but I like beer kind of on
its own, shower beer, hot day beer or like end
of day. I just need a beer.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
You need a victory beer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Then do you need a victory beer, victory beer and
a shower beer in the same night. That's a good night.
I will point this out. And I don't know if
you did this when he came home from Valpo first time,
you crack open the beer with your dad home, like
your dad's like, hey, you go and get me a beer,
and you go like, oh, oh, I brought you one too.
That's a big moment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I agree, that's a that's a big moment. The resident
mayor and co owner of the Green Bay Packers, he's
also the captain. Although we didn't have a captain's vote.
I just just you know, I just named you the captain.
I think we already knew that. There you go, and
we are going to be suing the NCAA soon for
another year. Unfortunately, there'll probably be very little practicing that occurs.

(01:19:39):
If you get another Preston Rudiger Raldy, great stuff you well.
At the time of this airing, I believe we'll we'll
beaten the Oakland Golden Grizzlies and Greg Campy, which means
we're on our way back to Ohio. I think on Wednesday,

(01:20:01):
Youngstown State's on Thursday and then Robert Morris who won
the league, won the league tournament and got away with
one at the Crest Center buck in two thousand twenty
five at the end of twenty five when they when
they when they took down us as we had eleven
point lead with like two in chains to go. That one.
That one still doesn't sit well with me. By the way,

(01:20:22):
if anybody's watching, just understand, I am a Jedi and
I did not throw the stool. Wasn't the chair of
the stool. I used the force to move the stool.
There's no video of me throwing the stool. I just
moved the stool, much like Luke Skywalker in Was It Strike?
You know, his Return of the Jedi. No, the Empire

(01:20:43):
strikes back right where he finally he was trying to
lift the x wing I think out of the swamp.
And then of course Yoda did it on his own
Yoda anyway, that's what really happened. But I appreciate the
folks at WFRV. WFRV plus you'll see more of this
on a weekly basis. Plus see some of me on

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