May 10, 2026 • 13 mins
Guest host Connie Willis and alien abductee Bret Oldham discuss extraterrestrial experiences and theories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When I first met you, you had said, I'm not
doing interviews anymore. I'm not doing anything else. I'm done
with it. I'm sick of it. It was but it
was great to meet you with your time. But then
you ended up doing an interview with me on Coast
and we did something else called the Taking Talks, which
was a blast to do, and then we did it
(00:25):
here on Coast as well. And then you wrote a book.
I'm like, why can't believe he's got a book going on?
This is great and you did a wonderful job with it.
You just especially as you know, the cover is amazing
to go from the child to the grown up of
well you tell us.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, before we do that, I'm going to tell you
the well two important things. Happy Mother's Day to everybody
out there and including the pet momm East because I'm
a big animal activist and I know how important the
fur babies are too, so but I want to finish
with uh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, before we move on
(01:06):
to that. But I will get to the to that
book cover and reason where it came from. But uh,
we were I was filming a pilot and they were
running these tests, uh that they were going to run
on all these people that we the other abductees that
was going to be on the show, and of course
they asked me to do it, uh, to be the
first one. And I was like, sure, I can't ask
(01:27):
these other people to come on the show and go
through this all these tests and stuff if I'm not
willing to do it myself. So I of course I'll
do it. And so one of the first things they
did was a polygraph test and so this was filmed.
You know, well, I didn't just go some random office
and you know, take this and they they there was
(01:49):
a complete film crew there and you know how big
those you know, there's eight ten people there. Yeah, I
had three cameras on me. And they brought in a guy,
Joseph Paolia. He was a former Secret Service Service agent
presidential detail, so very big credentials to do this. And
(02:11):
so I did that and passed. And then the same
week they asked me to do what was called a
q EEG brain scan, which I didn't even know what
it was, and you know, they they explained to me
what's going on, and basically they wire you up with
all these electoral things on your head, and this particular
(02:33):
brain scan it measures the electrical activity in your brain
and when they ask you a question, certain parts of
your brain, the lobes of your brain that's dealing with that,
like you know, they call it like storytelling section, with
the creative part of something, like if you're making something up,
that lob of your brain would light up and it
(02:55):
triggers the electrons and they measure all this stuff. Or
if you're telling the truth, then that part of your
brain that excesses memory will light up. And so it's
a level above a polygraph.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
People say, oh, there's people can fake a polygraph. Maybe
they can't. I don't know, but this this there's no faking,
you know. So they they brought in a guy for that.
It was a neuroscientist named doctor Dario Nardi. He's a PhD.
He's written books on he's the founder of u c
LA Human Complex System Degree program. So this guy's another
(03:33):
big time credentials, top notch professional, and he was very
nice to work with. It told me what was going
to happen, and you know, we did some kind of
memory cognitive tests before we did the brain scam, and
then they started asking me questions that they knew that
related to my case, things that I had talked about publicly.
(03:55):
And the test results came back from that at showing
that everything that I was answering came from the section
in my brain that access memory, meaning I was telling
the truth. And not only that, he told me that
this section that deals with the emotion was attached to it,
(04:18):
So the truth that I was telling also brought up
emotional reactions because of course a lot of this stuff's traumatic.
So that was really very strong evidence, you know, just
in that one week, and it was all televised. I mean,
I did all this with cameras in my face and
a bunch of people watching it looking at me. And
(04:39):
about a year later that show, by the way, this
is the beginning of when I almost got too much evidence,
because that's when they started shutting me down Hollywood, and
I had other stuff planned and that show had two
networks going to pick it up. Got dropped that nobody
(05:01):
would tell me why. Even the producers were working on it,
you know. They Aaron Ryder, who's been on a lot
of shows herself. She was one of the producers and
I called her up and she's like, I don't know
what happened. They just cut it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I was scheduled already to start filming for the next
episode all that stuff. And that happened to me too
with the Unexplained show with William Shatner, had a plane ticket,
bought the whole nine yards. They dropped it, you know.
So they've cut me off because the second time they
wanted me to come back a year later to come
back and film another episode called The Take and with
(05:32):
Agent Aliens. You can still find that. It's episode nine
and season thirteen, and in that they asked me once again,
we want you to take another brain scan, and I said, well,
you already got footage from me. Why don't you just
use that, you know, And they're like, no, no, we
want to do another one. And I thought that's weird,
(05:52):
you know, but okay, you know, I'll do it. So
they did get doctor Nardi again to do it. And
this time Nick Pope asked me the questions and once
again I passed the brain scan, you know, like he said,
the same exact They asked me different questions this time,
(06:14):
same exact results. Accessing memory, emotion attached to it, and
they aired that. They aired that on the episode. You
can see a bit of a little bit of that
on the episode because I went down to Pasadena and
did a big conference down there for him, and they
show part of that, and they also showed this part
what I was doing the brain scan, and after that
(06:36):
things got really really amped up at the danger level
for me, to the point that it became not worth
it because they were pulling in my driveway in their
black SUVs and basically threatening my life. And that was
(06:58):
doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Who's there?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm not going to say, but you can figure it out.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And I know you're going to want some them after
hearing this. This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen
and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two warts, but I mean
as significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so
significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right TI's book. Actually, that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator. And
so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just a little red marks.
The whole things are gone. And we're talking about what's
one the size of the wanner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see him
get into a sure of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It's great to see.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm so happy and yes, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Friendstead of seen it? That is blown away? TI, this
is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com. C A R
N I v O r A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Did you call it either or anything?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't men in black, No, it was
it was middle aged guys. Uh, and happened twice, and
I kind of took it, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I've already went through all kinds of stuff with uh
during the course of all this, and I go over
in more detail about, you know, all the things that
had happened to me by going public, you know, and
this was just sort of an accumulation of it. But
this was the thing. I mean, you know, my my
(09:10):
computer has been hacked like twice already where they've tried
to do complete downloads of my computer even though I've
got security and stuff on it. And you know, my
phone's been tapped. Back in eighty nine, I was friends
with John Lear in Vegas and this is when bab
bizarre thing broke when when George and Napp you know,
broke all that, and I was at John's house a lot,
(09:33):
and you know, his phones were tapped and my phones
were tapped, you know, and they were watching me. That
was way way before I went public. And you know,
my house has been broken into twice and you know,
one time and maybe we can get into it later.
You know, I had some remarkable evidence on some sheets
that I had, and you know, they they broke in
(09:54):
for that reason to get that to tamper with it.
And you know, I've been spied on, you know, the
there's been trucks in front of my Uh. There was
a UPS with the side of a UPS truck. I
was on the end of the cull to Sack in
Tennessee and that house had been broken into once nothing touched.
They were just trying to look at my stuff and
nothing was stolen. Uh, and they I saw this. I
(10:18):
thought it was a UPS truck, but it had no
license plates. And I had to leave somewhere and I
didn't feel comfortable. You know, It's like things park there
for a long time, you know, and it was angled
really weird, and it was kind of just at the
in front of my house and at the end of
the call to Sack and there was just a field
on the other side. And I was like, I don't
know what this guy's doing. And I pull over there
right beside it, and the strangest looking the man was
(10:40):
in there and he had these big yellow yellow goggles
on like, oh, like I don't know what, you know,
I'm like, what what? And he never you know, somebody
pulls beside your car besides your vehicle, you you kind
of look over like, hey, you know, what, what do
you want?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And I rolled right beside, uh and I was interested
in a regular car and and this guy doesn't even
he doesn't move. He's like a mannequin, you know. And
I'm like, okay, I thought he at first maybe he
was eating lunch or something like. He doesn't move, you know,
like he just keeps staring straight ahead at this field.
And I sat there for a few minutes, you know,
thinking hey, does he not know I'm here? You know,
(11:16):
and he just ignores me the whole time. And then
I realized, like, there's no markings on this truck. Uh,
you know, it's I mean, it looked like a UPS
truck or van or wherever you want to call him.
And he's dressed uh not in a in a UPS uniform,
and he just looked super strange. And those those big
(11:36):
yellow goggle things he was wearing. I don't know what
that was all about. And so obviously to me, they
were spying on me. And uh, there's just been a
bunch of stuff like that, you know, And aside from
all the verbal attacks that happens when you go public
with this stuff, and people right telling me, telling me
I'm going to hell and then I'm you know, I'm
(11:57):
dealing with demons and uh, just I don't know. I mean,
it's uh, it's a long story and you know, too
long for for this and that that's one of the
reasons that I wrote about all that stuff. But exactly,
but but the book covers, uh, you know, it's funny.
I'm glad you noticed that, because there's a lot of
people haven't caught that that that that didn't read the
(12:19):
foot the first book, and they haven't really put that
together that that's the same little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They had book.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's like, I don't know, you know, because there's just
been a handful of people that said that to me.
But I did that on purpose because the first book,
I knew if I ever wrote about about the story,
you know, with that. Uh when I first met her,
which is in the first book, you know, I was like,
I've got to put she just made such like an
(12:52):
indelible mark on my psyche. You know, I was like,
i gotta put this picture of her and my my
brother Jeffrey Oldham as a fan Fantastic Award winning artists
in Las Vegas, and uh uh you know, he's he's
won all kinds of awards and stuff, and I tried
to describe it to he's the one that he's responsible
for that one, and uh, you know, I just described
(13:14):
as like, you know, I know this is going to
be kind of weird because I want to get tried
to this, you know. So he did that, and there
has been so many people across the world that told
me that they just can't stop staring at her. And
they They've also people that have seen hybrids that you know,
they were told was their child will look very similar
to her. And so uh, I always you know, I
(13:38):
wanted to. I did it for her because I never
got to see her again.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
When I first met you, you had said, I'm not
doing interviews anymore. I'm not doing anything else. I'm done
with it. I'm sick of it. It was but it
was great to meet you with your time. But then
you ended up doing an interview with me on Coast
and we did something else called the Taking Talks, which
was a blast to do, and then we did it
(00:25):
here on Coast as well. And then you wrote a book.
I'm like, why can't believe he's got a book going on?
This is great and you did a wonderful job with it.
You just especially as you know, the cover is amazing
to go from the child to the grown up of
well you tell us.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, before we do that, I'm going to tell you
the well two important things. Happy Mother's Day to everybody
out there and including the pet momm East because I'm
a big animal activist and I know how important the
fur babies are too, so but I want to finish
with uh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, before we move on
(01:06):
to that. But I will get to the to that
book cover and reason where it came from. But uh,
we were I was filming a pilot and they were
running these tests, uh that they were going to run
on all these people that we the other abductees that
was going to be on the show, and of course
they asked me to do it, uh, to be the
first one. And I was like, sure, I can't ask
(01:27):
these other people to come on the show and go
through this all these tests and stuff if I'm not
willing to do it myself. So I of course I'll
do it. And so one of the first things they
did was a polygraph test and so this was filmed.
You know, well, I didn't just go some random office
and you know, take this and they they there was
(01:49):
a complete film crew there and you know how big
those you know, there's eight ten people there. Yeah, I
had three cameras on me. And they brought in a guy,
Joseph Paolia. He was a former Secret Service Service agent
presidential detail, so very big credentials to do this. And
(02:11):
so I did that and passed. And then the same
week they asked me to do what was called a
q EEG brain scan, which I didn't even know what
it was, and you know, they they explained to me
what's going on, and basically they wire you up with
all these electoral things on your head, and this particular
(02:33):
brain scan it measures the electrical activity in your brain
and when they ask you a question, certain parts of
your brain, the lobes of your brain that's dealing with that,
like you know, they call it like storytelling section, with
the creative part of something, like if you're making something up,
that lob of your brain would light up and it
(02:55):
triggers the electrons and they measure all this stuff. Or
if you're telling the truth, then that part of your
brain that excesses memory will light up. And so it's
a level above a polygraph.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
People say, oh, there's people can fake a polygraph. Maybe
they can't. I don't know, but this this there's no faking,
you know. So they they brought in a guy for that.
It was a neuroscientist named doctor Dario Nardi. He's a PhD.
He's written books on he's the founder of u c
LA Human Complex System Degree program. So this guy's another
(03:33):
big time credentials, top notch professional, and he was very
nice to work with. It told me what was going
to happen, and you know, we did some kind of
memory cognitive tests before we did the brain scam, and
then they started asking me questions that they knew that
related to my case, things that I had talked about publicly.
(03:55):
And the test results came back from that at showing
that everything that I was answering came from the section
in my brain that access memory, meaning I was telling
the truth. And not only that, he told me that
this section that deals with the emotion was attached to it,
(04:18):
So the truth that I was telling also brought up
emotional reactions because of course a lot of this stuff's traumatic.
So that was really very strong evidence, you know, just
in that one week, and it was all televised. I mean,
I did all this with cameras in my face and
a bunch of people watching it looking at me. And
(04:39):
about a year later that show, by the way, this
is the beginning of when I almost got too much evidence,
because that's when they started shutting me down Hollywood, and
I had other stuff planned and that show had two
networks going to pick it up. Got dropped that nobody
(05:01):
would tell me why. Even the producers were working on it,
you know. They Aaron Ryder, who's been on a lot
of shows herself. She was one of the producers and
I called her up and she's like, I don't know
what happened. They just cut it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I was scheduled already to start filming for the next
episode all that stuff. And that happened to me too
with the Unexplained show with William Shatner, had a plane ticket,
bought the whole nine yards. They dropped it, you know.
So they've cut me off because the second time they
wanted me to come back a year later to come
back and film another episode called The Take and with
(05:32):
Agent Aliens. You can still find that. It's episode nine
and season thirteen, and in that they asked me once again,
we want you to take another brain scan, and I said, well,
you already got footage from me. Why don't you just
use that, you know, And they're like, no, no, we
want to do another one. And I thought that's weird,
(05:52):
you know, but okay, you know, I'll do it. So
they did get doctor Nardi again to do it. And
this time Nick Pope asked me the questions and once
again I passed the brain scan, you know, like he said,
the same exact They asked me different questions this time,
(06:14):
same exact results. Accessing memory, emotion attached to it, and
they aired that. They aired that on the episode. You
can see a bit of a little bit of that
on the episode because I went down to Pasadena and
did a big conference down there for him, and they
show part of that, and they also showed this part
what I was doing the brain scan, and after that
(06:36):
things got really really amped up at the danger level
for me, to the point that it became not worth
it because they were pulling in my driveway in their
black SUVs and basically threatening my life. And that was
(06:58):
doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Who's there?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm not going to say, but you can figure it out.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And I know you're going to want some them after
hearing this. This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen
and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two warts, but I mean
as significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so
significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right TI's book. Actually, that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator. And
so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just a little red marks.
The whole things are gone. And we're talking about what's
one the size of the wanner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see him
get into a sure of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It's great to see.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm so happy and yes, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Friendstead of seen it? That is blown away? TI, this
is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com. C A R
N I v O r A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Did you call it either or anything?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't men in black, No, it was
it was middle aged guys. Uh, and happened twice, and
I kind of took it, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I've already went through all kinds of stuff with uh
during the course of all this, and I go over
in more detail about, you know, all the things that
had happened to me by going public, you know, and
this was just sort of an accumulation of it. But
this was the thing. I mean, you know, my my
(09:10):
computer has been hacked like twice already where they've tried
to do complete downloads of my computer even though I've
got security and stuff on it. And you know, my
phone's been tapped. Back in eighty nine, I was friends
with John Lear in Vegas and this is when bab
bizarre thing broke when when George and Napp you know,
broke all that, and I was at John's house a lot,
(09:33):
and you know, his phones were tapped and my phones
were tapped, you know, and they were watching me. That
was way way before I went public. And you know,
my house has been broken into twice and you know,
one time and maybe we can get into it later.
You know, I had some remarkable evidence on some sheets
that I had, and you know, they they broke in
(09:54):
for that reason to get that to tamper with it.
And you know, I've been spied on, you know, the
there's been trucks in front of my Uh. There was
a UPS with the side of a UPS truck. I
was on the end of the cull to Sack in
Tennessee and that house had been broken into once nothing touched.
They were just trying to look at my stuff and
nothing was stolen. Uh, and they I saw this. I
(10:18):
thought it was a UPS truck, but it had no
license plates. And I had to leave somewhere and I
didn't feel comfortable. You know, It's like things park there
for a long time, you know, and it was angled
really weird, and it was kind of just at the
in front of my house and at the end of
the call to Sack and there was just a field
on the other side. And I was like, I don't
know what this guy's doing. And I pull over there
right beside it, and the strangest looking the man was
(10:40):
in there and he had these big yellow yellow goggles
on like, oh, like I don't know what, you know,
I'm like, what what? And he never you know, somebody
pulls beside your car besides your vehicle, you you kind
of look over like, hey, you know, what, what do
you want?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
And I rolled right beside, uh and I was interested
in a regular car and and this guy doesn't even
he doesn't move. He's like a mannequin, you know. And
I'm like, okay, I thought he at first maybe he
was eating lunch or something like. He doesn't move, you know,
like he just keeps staring straight ahead at this field.
And I sat there for a few minutes, you know,
thinking hey, does he not know I'm here? You know,
(11:16):
and he just ignores me the whole time. And then
I realized, like, there's no markings on this truck. Uh,
you know, it's I mean, it looked like a UPS
truck or van or wherever you want to call him.
And he's dressed uh not in a in a UPS uniform,
and he just looked super strange. And those those big
(11:36):
yellow goggle things he was wearing. I don't know what
that was all about. And so obviously to me, they
were spying on me. And uh, there's just been a
bunch of stuff like that, you know, And aside from
all the verbal attacks that happens when you go public
with this stuff, and people right telling me, telling me
I'm going to hell and then I'm you know, I'm
(11:57):
dealing with demons and uh, just I don't know. I mean,
it's uh, it's a long story and you know, too
long for for this and that that's one of the
reasons that I wrote about all that stuff. But exactly,
but but the book covers, uh, you know, it's funny.
I'm glad you noticed that, because there's a lot of
people haven't caught that that that that didn't read the
(12:19):
foot the first book, and they haven't really put that
together that that's the same little girl.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They had book.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's like, I don't know, you know, because there's just
been a handful of people that said that to me.
But I did that on purpose because the first book,
I knew if I ever wrote about about the story,
you know, with that. Uh when I first met her,
which is in the first book, you know, I was like,
I've got to put she just made such like an
(12:52):
indelible mark on my psyche. You know, I was like,
i gotta put this picture of her and my my
brother Jeffrey Oldham as a fan Fantastic Award winning artists
in Las Vegas, and uh uh you know, he's he's
won all kinds of awards and stuff, and I tried
to describe it to he's the one that he's responsible
for that one, and uh, you know, I just described
(13:14):
as like, you know, I know this is going to
be kind of weird because I want to get tried
to this, you know. So he did that, and there
has been so many people across the world that told
me that they just can't stop staring at her. And
they They've also people that have seen hybrids that you know,
they were told was their child will look very similar
to her. And so uh, I always you know, I
(13:38):
wanted to. I did it for her because I never
got to see her again.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
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