May 17, 2026 • 16 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and former CIA contract pilot Robert "Tosh" Plumlee discuss Lee Harvey Oswald as a CIA asset and the real motive for assassinating John F. Kennedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I want to come back to Oswald for a moment. Toosh,
you mentioned that you had met Lee Harvey Oswald at
the School of Illusionary Warfare. There was MK Ultra programming involved.
You mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was trained, trained as
a defector, so he went to Russia, ends up in
(00:25):
Minsk in Belarus. I believe so from the get go,
Lee Harvey Oswald was a controlled asset by the CIA.
When he came back was repatriated by the US State Department.
He was still working for the CIA at that point.
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He worked for all wayn I operation of Naval Intelligence.
So it's a makesdale military intelligence. Let me back up here.
I apologize to your paper. We're making these questions, Brett
ry Long. That's the reason for the book Deep Cover
sal of Graves. Ninety percent of what you're asking me
is in the book. For instance, about JFK being an
(01:06):
assassination from page one fifty to one sixty six is
about those questions that some of you asked the same
thing about Lee Harvey. Also on the next at North Carolina,
Lee was operationally he was assigned with an O NI
unit out of Hinstonyfield, Dallas, Texas and Baldman's late Navy
intelligence that's where he was out of Dallas, Texas. So
(01:29):
and then he was transferred like me, one of them
to illusionary warfare and next at North Carolina where he
went through what they called the defector's program. And in
that defector's program he took language study which happened to
be Russian, so that would fit with his assignment of
being transferred to undercover work well, hoping that the KGB
(01:54):
would pick him up. The first stop he had to
make was with the U two program that would give
him credentials that would qualify him to be picked up
by the A by the KGB. But that didn't happen
and Lee became disillusioned. He requested a return back and
(02:15):
we paid for his way back from at that point
he had married and had a child, and we paid.
The government paid to have him brought back so he
was operational. Before he left, he was trained at next
at North Carolina an illusionary warfare training program to study
an eight week course in Russian so that he could defect.
(02:36):
So that was known as the mar Casey, uh not
Mark Casey as a victor. Marchetti wrote in his book
The Cult of Intelligence, he detailed everything I just told
you and got in a lot of trouble because he
revealed that there was a defector program. It was approved
(02:57):
by the United States government. And Lee Harvey also was
attached to an o NI unit, and Robert toss Plumbley
was attached to a CIA unit, and they would both
trained at knag Seed to do specific undercover operations. That
does that, I mean, I'm trying to make thiscsis. I know,
in essence of time, we're getting long. That's the reasons,
(03:19):
Sallow said, that's the reason for the book.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Of course, let me ask you then, let me just
skip ahead here. When when did you first hear assassination
rumors surrounding John F.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Kennedy When Private Eugene B. Dencin military and France Sweden
Weather when Awall because he was a cryptologist, and he
uncovered evidence coded evidence that our units were recruiting old algiers,
which was French Foreign Legion retirees, to do a hit
(03:50):
job in Dallas, Texas on November he attempted to bring
that information to proper channels at his unit, and they
thought he was and then they tried to make contact
with the Pentagon. The Pentagon thought he was nuts, so
he went a wall to Sweden and got the word
(04:12):
out about an assassination attempt. Eugene B. Denkin had the time,
the date, and the place where JFK was going to
be hit, so that was given to the Pentagon. The
Pentagon immediately contacted the CIA because that was their mandate.
The CIA didn't know nothing about it, so they started
(04:34):
checking around. Then they found out that there was rumors
from Chicago, Miami, Austin, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Los Angeles Kenny
is going to be hit? Was it the Cubans? No,
The cover story was at that time Kennedy would be
(04:54):
hit because he went threw air cover from the Bay
of Pigs. It's a bull s story. It was fabricated
by the FBI and the CIA to cover the real
motive for Kennedy's assassination. Do you want me to go
through with this or not?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What is the real motives? Absolutely, we want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
All right, The real motive for Kennedy's assassination. That's to say,
I'm right into your camera. Write this down. En SAM.
That's a security program. The John Kennedy sign of pulling
twenty five thousand troops out of Veetnam. The military dust
(05:39):
for Complex did not want that because that would destroy
ongoing contracts for Bell Helicopter, Collins Radio, and a host
of other ammunition. Remington that was modifying the fourteen and
the sixteen and the machine guns. They would have lost
mellions and millions of dollars of contract if In S
(06:04):
two sixty two sixty three National Security Memo that Kennedy wrote,
Kennedy said, when I come back from Texas, that's gonna stop.
I'm pulling troops out. We will leave the advisors in
to train their army. That got him killed. Two days
(06:27):
before he did it, there was a meeting in the Honolulu.
Your people, all of whoever's watching this can do this.
Look up two things in s AM two six three,
in SAM two seven three and Honolulu, LBJ and a
crew over roaded to sixty three and he was going
(06:51):
to increase and put troops in Vietnam. Two days later
Kennedy was killed and what happened, and shortly after that,
the golf Tonkin Golf incident happened, which was a red
flag or a flag situation that we posed upon ourselves,
and that justified us to put additional troops. So we
(07:14):
put twenty five thousand troops into Vietnam after Kennedy's death.
Within three months after Kennedy's death, fifteen thousand Americans hit
the beach and hit the beaches, hit Vietnam. Then the
same time the assassination program started. There was assassination program
in Vietnam because they didn't like that withdrawing and they
(07:39):
didn't like that whatever was going on, so they killed
him too.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And I know you're gonna want them after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two wards, but I mean
that signific again, outbreak of warts all over his body
so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Tye's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can
see that it would work. And so at what point
did you see that there was actually improvement, it's really
going to work.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. It's just been miraculous to
see him get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
It's great to see him so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Competent, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Friends that have seen it that is blown away.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
six eight three six eighty seven thirty five. That's one
eight six six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
Or visit carnivora dot com c A R N I
V O R E carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So the the assassination team on the ground a daily plaza,
what if anything does Oswald have to do with them?
With was Oswald thinking that he wasation.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Also working with the Dallas FBI through Hosty, he was
making extra money as an informant, and he was also
finding out that we were taking pilfering US weapons from
the forty ninth Armer Division, Texas National Guard and shipping
those weapons through Dallas Control Miami Cutout company that blown
(09:52):
to Alpha sixty six, and we were shipping American National
Guard Texas National Guard weapons to Miami, Florida to be
transferred into the Sarah Madre Mountains of Cuba to supply
a little known rebel which some of us called him Castroyl.
That's the truth of what it was. So our American
weapons were being culvertly stolen from National Guard armories shipped
(10:16):
to the rebel in order to overthrow Battista.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So there's a very famous Associated Press photograph in Dallas,
which I think the photographer's name was Elkins, and there's
a picture of someone who looks like Lee Harvey Oswolld
standing in the doorway on the street level of the
Book Texas Book Depository building as the presidential limo carrying
(10:42):
Kennedy is driving past.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's I know what you're talking about. And also that test,
Now let me back up here. My testimony is on
following four separate committees still to this day, on two
of them classified classified, Top secret, Committee Sensitive, SAP, Specially
Access Program Northward not for foreign eyes. I said again,
(11:09):
my file is still classified Committee Sensitive. I've testified four times.
What we're talking about right now is about what Lee's
position was. The warrant Commission was pumped and misled and
and actual information withheld. And one of them was Lee
(11:30):
standing in the doorway. I've talked to Marina years ago
about this. It all boils down to his shirt and
the shirt that he was wearing and U and the
button that was missing. There's the story behind that Lee
door well. In the book Deep Cover Shell of Graves.
Some years ago, when I was doing the first drafts,
(11:51):
I was told by the CIA, mister Plumley, you do
not write that up. That is classified information. If you
release that classified information, we will file charges on you.
I released it, and here's what I told them. And
I told the FBI that, and they put their own
narrative up. I'm not creditable. I'm not to be believed.
(12:13):
I wrote texts all over the country. I'm not I'll
fabricate my stories. This was on their letter head Membos
in order to defuse what I was getting ready to tell,
which I thought was going to go to the Warrant Commission. Instead,
I went to jail, to a juvenile hall for nine months.
That's okay, I'm getting off your story.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's okay. So in other words, we were told that
that wasn't Oswald, that was someone named Bill Billy Lovelady
standing in the doorway. But that's what confirmed through Marina
that that was in fact to me, yeah, to you, okay,
all right, I got about okay, I got about six
(12:57):
minutes here, Tosh. So I want to get to the
abort before we we bring in Ralpha Zulo.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So I'm speeded up here. Okay. The information that came
from Eugene being dancing, I left this. I didn't leave
it out, but it didn't get to it time. Mil,
But I'm not used to this. Tell your life story
in fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You're doing great, all right?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Okay. Now, the information that came from Eugene beincon went
to the went to the Pentagon, the Pentagon notified the CIA.
The CIA acted this logistical support for a team to
go into Dallas to abort to abort the assassination. What
does that word abort mean? It means stop something that
we started. We were recruiting assassins. Who was recruiting those
(13:41):
assassins out of our outiers? The Pentagon set up a
team to fly in to abort. That meant look for
triangulation shooting. What did they do? They went specifically to
one place, Dane Pleasant and look for trying shooting. In
nineteen sixty four, I drew a map for the FBI,
(14:06):
and they classified it and they withheld it from the
Warrant Commission. I told them exactly what my job was. Simply,
I was a little old cowpollot. I wasn't part of
the Aboard team, but three of my members were, and
I was good friends with them. One of them was
mafia Johnny Rosselli, good friend of mine. Okay, why was
(14:27):
Johnny Rosselli there? This was This is the reason for
the book, Deep cover, Shallow Grade. How do I get
You've got three more minutes here? How do I get
all this all out to where your readers will understand I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Going to bring you back in that work. I'm going
to bring you back after we speak with Ralph Izzulo
for a little bit, so we'll come back to it.
Let me just ask, just ask, Let me ask you
in the in the two and a half three minutes here,
who like, who's on whose side? Are you saying that
part of the CIA, part of the deep state wanted
Kennedy dead and part did not.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I'm saying that our government at that point had been infiltrated,
politically infiltrated. We were fighting among ourselves at that point
in time. The FBI was fighting God like going out.
I hope this doesn't bother you, but anyway, we were
fighting with the CIA, We were fighting with the FBI.
The FBI was trying to bust us for gun running.
(15:24):
Customs was stopping our airplanes and in investigating them and
taking us off to jail. This phone call matter and
all that kind of stuff. We had contact people if
we got in trouble. We had a name to call
at Nay said North Carolina. I'm in trouble. You don't
say I'm in trouble. Switchboards. Girls were in those jays
(15:44):
were the biggest gossips. They were. They made notes with
number two pencils, so like that. So you're in trouble,
who do you call? You call your cutout, You call
your safety officer, and what do you do. You don't
call and say, oh, I'm in trouble. I got arrested
by the FBI. Well, I had a planeload of guns
and I'm sitting out here on a runway and they're
getting ready to take me to jail. You don't do that.
(16:05):
You call your cutout, You call say hurt or lee.
You don't say I need help. You just make the contact.
They take it from there and they get you out
of trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I want to come back to Oswald for a moment. Toosh,
you mentioned that you had met Lee Harvey Oswald at
the School of Illusionary Warfare. There was MK Ultra programming involved.
You mentioned that Lee Harvey Oswald was trained, trained as
a defector, so he went to Russia, ends up in
(00:25):
Minsk in Belarus. I believe so from the get go,
Lee Harvey Oswald was a controlled asset by the CIA.
When he came back was repatriated by the US State Department.
He was still working for the CIA at that point.
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
He worked for all wayn I operation of Naval Intelligence.
So it's a makesdale military intelligence. Let me back up here.
I apologize to your paper. We're making these questions, Brett
ry Long. That's the reason for the book Deep Cover
sal of Graves. Ninety percent of what you're asking me
is in the book. For instance, about JFK being an
(01:06):
assassination from page one fifty to one sixty six is
about those questions that some of you asked the same
thing about Lee Harvey. Also on the next at North Carolina,
Lee was operationally he was assigned with an O NI
unit out of Hinstonyfield, Dallas, Texas and Baldman's late Navy
intelligence that's where he was out of Dallas, Texas. So
(01:29):
and then he was transferred like me, one of them
to illusionary warfare and next at North Carolina where he
went through what they called the defector's program. And in
that defector's program he took language study which happened to
be Russian, so that would fit with his assignment of
being transferred to undercover work well, hoping that the KGB
(01:54):
would pick him up. The first stop he had to
make was with the U two program that would give
him credentials that would qualify him to be picked up
by the A by the KGB. But that didn't happen
and Lee became disillusioned. He requested a return back and
(02:15):
we paid for his way back from at that point
he had married and had a child, and we paid.
The government paid to have him brought back so he
was operational. Before he left, he was trained at next
at North Carolina an illusionary warfare training program to study
an eight week course in Russian so that he could defect.
(02:36):
So that was known as the mar Casey, uh not
Mark Casey as a victor. Marchetti wrote in his book
The Cult of Intelligence, he detailed everything I just told
you and got in a lot of trouble because he
revealed that there was a defector program. It was approved
(02:57):
by the United States government. And Lee Harvey also was
attached to an o NI unit, and Robert toss Plumbley
was attached to a CIA unit, and they would both
trained at knag Seed to do specific undercover operations. That
does that, I mean, I'm trying to make thiscsis. I know,
in essence of time, we're getting long. That's the reasons,
(03:19):
Sallow said, that's the reason for the book.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Of course, let me ask you then, let me just
skip ahead here. When when did you first hear assassination
rumors surrounding John F.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Kennedy When Private Eugene B. Dencin military and France Sweden
Weather when Awall because he was a cryptologist, and he
uncovered evidence coded evidence that our units were recruiting old algiers,
which was French Foreign Legion retirees, to do a hit
(03:50):
job in Dallas, Texas on November he attempted to bring
that information to proper channels at his unit, and they
thought he was and then they tried to make contact
with the Pentagon. The Pentagon thought he was nuts, so
he went a wall to Sweden and got the word
(04:12):
out about an assassination attempt. Eugene B. Denkin had the time,
the date, and the place where JFK was going to
be hit, so that was given to the Pentagon. The
Pentagon immediately contacted the CIA because that was their mandate.
The CIA didn't know nothing about it, so they started
(04:34):
checking around. Then they found out that there was rumors
from Chicago, Miami, Austin, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Los Angeles Kenny
is going to be hit? Was it the Cubans? No,
The cover story was at that time Kennedy would be
(04:54):
hit because he went threw air cover from the Bay
of Pigs. It's a bull s story. It was fabricated
by the FBI and the CIA to cover the real
motive for Kennedy's assassination. Do you want me to go
through with this or not?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
What is the real motives? Absolutely, we want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
All right, The real motive for Kennedy's assassination. That's to say,
I'm right into your camera. Write this down. En SAM.
That's a security program. The John Kennedy sign of pulling
twenty five thousand troops out of Veetnam. The military dust
(05:39):
for Complex did not want that because that would destroy
ongoing contracts for Bell Helicopter, Collins Radio, and a host
of other ammunition. Remington that was modifying the fourteen and
the sixteen and the machine guns. They would have lost
mellions and millions of dollars of contract if In S
(06:04):
two sixty two sixty three National Security Memo that Kennedy wrote,
Kennedy said, when I come back from Texas, that's gonna stop.
I'm pulling troops out. We will leave the advisors in
to train their army. That got him killed. Two days
(06:27):
before he did it, there was a meeting in the Honolulu.
Your people, all of whoever's watching this can do this.
Look up two things in s AM two six three,
in SAM two seven three and Honolulu, LBJ and a
crew over roaded to sixty three and he was going
(06:51):
to increase and put troops in Vietnam. Two days later
Kennedy was killed and what happened, and shortly after that,
the golf Tonkin Golf incident happened, which was a red
flag or a flag situation that we posed upon ourselves,
and that justified us to put additional troops. So we
(07:14):
put twenty five thousand troops into Vietnam after Kennedy's death.
Within three months after Kennedy's death, fifteen thousand Americans hit
the beach and hit the beaches, hit Vietnam. Then the
same time the assassination program started. There was assassination program
in Vietnam because they didn't like that withdrawing and they
(07:39):
didn't like that whatever was going on, so they killed
him too.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And I know you're gonna want them after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two wards, but I mean
that signific again, outbreak of warts all over his body
so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Tye's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can
see that it would work. And so at what point
did you see that there was actually improvement, it's really
going to work.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. It's just been miraculous to
see him get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
It's great to see him so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Competent, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Friends that have seen it that is blown away.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
six eight three six eighty seven thirty five. That's one
eight six six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
Or visit carnivora dot com c A R N I
V O R E carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
So the the assassination team on the ground a daily plaza,
what if anything does Oswald have to do with them?
With was Oswald thinking that he wasation.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Also working with the Dallas FBI through Hosty, he was
making extra money as an informant, and he was also
finding out that we were taking pilfering US weapons from
the forty ninth Armer Division, Texas National Guard and shipping
those weapons through Dallas Control Miami Cutout company that blown
(09:52):
to Alpha sixty six, and we were shipping American National
Guard Texas National Guard weapons to Miami, Florida to be
transferred into the Sarah Madre Mountains of Cuba to supply
a little known rebel which some of us called him Castroyl.
That's the truth of what it was. So our American
weapons were being culvertly stolen from National Guard armories shipped
(10:16):
to the rebel in order to overthrow Battista.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So there's a very famous Associated Press photograph in Dallas,
which I think the photographer's name was Elkins, and there's
a picture of someone who looks like Lee Harvey Oswolld
standing in the doorway on the street level of the
Book Texas Book Depository building as the presidential limo carrying
(10:42):
Kennedy is driving past.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's I know what you're talking about. And also that test,
Now let me back up here. My testimony is on
following four separate committees still to this day, on two
of them classified classified, Top secret, Committee Sensitive, SAP, Specially
Access Program Northward not for foreign eyes. I said again,
(11:09):
my file is still classified Committee Sensitive. I've testified four times.
What we're talking about right now is about what Lee's
position was. The warrant Commission was pumped and misled and
and actual information withheld. And one of them was Lee
(11:30):
standing in the doorway. I've talked to Marina years ago
about this. It all boils down to his shirt and
the shirt that he was wearing and U and the
button that was missing. There's the story behind that Lee
door well. In the book Deep Cover Shell of Graves.
Some years ago, when I was doing the first drafts,
(11:51):
I was told by the CIA, mister Plumley, you do
not write that up. That is classified information. If you
release that classified information, we will file charges on you.
I released it, and here's what I told them. And
I told the FBI that, and they put their own
narrative up. I'm not creditable. I'm not to be believed.
(12:13):
I wrote texts all over the country. I'm not I'll
fabricate my stories. This was on their letter head Membos
in order to defuse what I was getting ready to tell,
which I thought was going to go to the Warrant Commission. Instead,
I went to jail, to a juvenile hall for nine months.
That's okay, I'm getting off your story.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That's okay. So in other words, we were told that
that wasn't Oswald, that was someone named Bill Billy Lovelady
standing in the doorway. But that's what confirmed through Marina
that that was in fact to me, yeah, to you, okay,
all right, I got about okay, I got about six
(12:57):
minutes here, Tosh. So I want to get to the
abort before we we bring in Ralpha Zulo.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
So I'm speeded up here. Okay. The information that came
from Eugene being dancing, I left this. I didn't leave
it out, but it didn't get to it time. Mil,
But I'm not used to this. Tell your life story
in fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You're doing great, all right?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Okay. Now, the information that came from Eugene beincon went
to the went to the Pentagon, the Pentagon notified the CIA.
The CIA acted this logistical support for a team to
go into Dallas to abort to abort the assassination. What
does that word abort mean? It means stop something that
we started. We were recruiting assassins. Who was recruiting those
(13:41):
assassins out of our outiers? The Pentagon set up a
team to fly in to abort. That meant look for
triangulation shooting. What did they do? They went specifically to
one place, Dane Pleasant and look for trying shooting. In
nineteen sixty four, I drew a map for the FBI,
(14:06):
and they classified it and they withheld it from the
Warrant Commission. I told them exactly what my job was. Simply,
I was a little old cowpollot. I wasn't part of
the Aboard team, but three of my members were, and
I was good friends with them. One of them was
mafia Johnny Rosselli, good friend of mine. Okay, why was
(14:27):
Johnny Rosselli there? This was This is the reason for
the book, Deep cover, Shallow Grade. How do I get
You've got three more minutes here? How do I get
all this all out to where your readers will understand I'm.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Going to bring you back in that work. I'm going
to bring you back after we speak with Ralph Izzulo
for a little bit, so we'll come back to it.
Let me just ask, just ask, Let me ask you
in the in the two and a half three minutes here,
who like, who's on whose side? Are you saying that
part of the CIA, part of the deep state wanted
Kennedy dead and part did not.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I'm saying that our government at that point had been infiltrated,
politically infiltrated. We were fighting among ourselves at that point
in time. The FBI was fighting God like going out.
I hope this doesn't bother you, but anyway, we were
fighting with the CIA, We were fighting with the FBI.
The FBI was trying to bust us for gun running.
(15:24):
Customs was stopping our airplanes and in investigating them and
taking us off to jail. This phone call matter and
all that kind of stuff. We had contact people if
we got in trouble. We had a name to call
at Nay said North Carolina. I'm in trouble. You don't
say I'm in trouble. Switchboards. Girls were in those jays
(15:44):
were the biggest gossips. They were. They made notes with
number two pencils, so like that. So you're in trouble,
who do you call? You call your cutout, You call
your safety officer, and what do you do. You don't
call and say, oh, I'm in trouble. I got arrested
by the FBI. Well, I had a planeload of guns
and I'm sitting out here on a runway and they're
getting ready to take me to jail. You don't do that.
(16:05):
You call your cutout, You call say hurt or lee.
You don't say I need help. You just make the contact.
They take it from there and they get you out
of trouble.
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