August 12, 2026 • 19 mins
George Noory and author Bonnie Buckner explore the power of dreams to give us insights to solve problems in our waking lives, why nightmares are actually not a bad type of dream, and how dreams can help unlock creativity to help you flourish and become more successful.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Bonnie Buckner with us PhD, Founder and CEO of the
International Institute of Dreaming and Imagery. As the author, as
I mentioned, of Secret Mind, Unlock the power of dreams
and transform your life, she will relate experiences working with dreams,
unlocking creativity and increasing resilience, explaining how dreams are valuable
(00:27):
to all of us. And here she is back on
Coast to Coast Bonnie Buckner, Hi, Bonnie, how you been?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey George, good morning or good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How's it going looking forward to this? Indeed, how'd you
get involved in dreams and dream interpretations?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You know?
Speaker 5 (00:42):
It started when I was a kid and I had
a bunch of nightmares, and I had a moment where
I was thinking, you know, I don't want to have
these nightmares anymore. And I did my whole kid logic
and thought, maybe I'll just never sleep, and how can
I keep myself awake? And I realized that was going
to work, and it just sort of hit me, I
(01:03):
need to figure out how to deal with my nightmares.
Shift them and I'll teach that to other people.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And so it's been an interest ever.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Since, and it just turned into a booming career for you,
hasn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It has? It has? It's my mission, let's say for you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, later on, we'll take calls and we'll even solicit
some dreams and see what you think of them. All right, perfect,
What is it about the human body that dreams? Is
it some quirk in the brain that's trying to work
on overdrive when we sleep? What is it?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
So this is something that the sort of you know,
ancient traditions have I think, in my opinion, much more
of a handle on than modern science in many ways,
because ancient traditions take into account exactly what you said,
the body a whole body, not.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Just the brain.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
So we're in this very strange situation as humans where
we have this sort of consciousness or spiritual side of
ourselves that's crammed in a physical body and we're having
a physical experience on a physical plane, and there's some
kind of need to understand what that is and what's happening.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And dreams are sort of.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
That ability to put into a form that we can
look at and see Oh, this is what I'm feeling,
this is what I'm understanding, These are new ideas, these
are potentials that I have. So it's a way of
speaking to us. It's kind of looking in the mirror
of our inner self about what's happening, how we feel
(02:49):
about it, what we understand about it, and what we
want to do with it.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
How many different kinds of dreams are there.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
So in the tradition that I teach, which goes back
to the thirteenth century in the Mediterranean, Wow, we look
at seven different kinds of dreams, and those correspond to
waking time experiences. So on one end of that spectrum
are nightmares, and on the other end of that spectrum
are dreams of light or union, where everything feels like
(03:20):
it's all one, and we have in between that dreams
of what we call clear dreams, where you have both
block and potential. So one of the things that dreams
do is they help us to in a way. It's
our sort of emotional mental, spiritual homeostasis. So you know,
(03:41):
if we get too hot, our body causes us to
sweat to come back to balance. But dreams are also
a mechanism for us to bring our own emotional, mental,
and spiritual life back into balance. So if I'm having
a nightmare, I know that I'm imbalanced in some kind
of way. If I'm having a great dream or dream
of light or union, I know that I'm having a
(04:04):
moment experiencing a moment of balance, and a clear dream
kind of sets me in the moment of choice where
I can shift something.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Lucid dreams are strange too, when you know you're dreaming
in the dream.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, those are great moments to have when we wake
up to our experience and we become lucid, because that's
really when we can make a change. And I had
someone email me this morning asking about lucid dreams. And
the thing about lucid dreams because everybody loves to talk
about them because it's this incredible experience of just kind
(04:40):
of having two experiences at the same time, dreaming and waking.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And the thing about lucid dreaming.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Is that's a moment where we can bring our consciousness
into that very experiential part of ourselves and really shift things.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They've done studies on people.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
They've tasked people to write a haiku poem while being lucid,
and lucid dreaming, and they've compared those haiku.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Poems to hai coupoems.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
That were written by people who weren't lucid dreaming but
in a waking state, and by independent raiders. The lucid
dream hai coupoems were rated as much more creative. So
it's a way of really accessing the things that are
beyond what we're allowing ourselves to think about when we're awake.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And Bonnie analyze this for me. I used to I
still do sometimes before I would go to sleep, I
would concentrate on an event or a person that I
wanted to affect, for whether it was a job or
trying to accomplish something or get something done, and then
I'd go to sleep thinking that my brain power or
(05:54):
by dream state would take over and make things happen
for me. In almost every time, almost every time, within
a day or two after I did that, I'd get
a call from that person or something dramatic would happen,
and my goal was accomplished. What was I doing right?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What you were focusing That's part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know, we're so busy, we don't really spend a
lot of time to focus in on, you know, things
that we're trying to manifest, like you just mentioned, or
any other thing, because we're so moving quickly from one
task to another, from grocery store to work, to kids
to whatever, and just focusing. It's like our mind is light,
(06:47):
and when we focus it, it becomes our thoughts are
like a laser.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Anything we focus on becomes brighter and more intense, and
it's sort of in another sort of metaphysical way, it's
sending a signal out to a little thought signal, if
you will, out to the people that you're wanting to
let know that you want this job or whatever it
(07:14):
is that you're specifically working on.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What creates the clairvoyant or the precognitive dream.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, those are interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The way I talk about that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Is we're each an individual, right, but we're both humans,
and so outside of our physical form, we have this
sort of web or ocean of connection. And so when
we're asleep and we let go of all of our
(07:48):
own personal individual goals and things.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That we're working with and occupied by.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And emotions, we can sort of step into that bigger
web or ocean, and we're like little satellite dishes and
we can receive certain things that are happening in the
world are going to happen. You know, time is very
limited to our physical experience, but when we get into
dream time there is it's not linear time, it's all time.
(08:18):
So something that's going to happen, something that has happened,
we can receive information about that. But the important thing
to realize is we're the satellite dish and so there's
still our own subjective perception of what we're receiving. So
we have to make sure there's no static on our
(08:40):
end because we can misperceive something. And we also have
to remember we're just getting a slice of.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
The whole picture.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
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Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who
is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering with
not just one or two warts, but I mean a
significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so significant
it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
Was Tie's book. Actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I'm not surprised it is an amazing immuno modulator, and
so I can see that it would work. And so
at what point did you see that there was actually
improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to
see him get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's great to see him so happy and yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
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Speaker 1 (09:50):
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Speaker 2 (09:53):
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
Would you say that most successful people dream.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I have not put that to scientific study. However, I
do know that when people really activate their dreaming, they
become and this is put to scientific study, they become
much more creative. I know in the work that I've
been doing for the last twenty something years, people are
much more able to fulfill their goals, the things that
(10:48):
they're working on and wanting to do in their lives,
to transform past patterns, to be more perceptive at opportunities
that are passing their way. I mean, that's part of
the negative thing of being so busy all the time,
and why your nighttime focusing back in the day helped
(11:08):
you to tune into people. We also are constantly given
opportunities throughout our days, but because we're not focusing on that,
we miss them. And one of the things that dreamwork
can do is to help us to become lucid not
only in our dream time, but become lucid in our
(11:28):
waking time, which is to say, both states of consciousness
are operating all the time, whether we're waking or we're dreaming,
so we're hearing things that are being said beyond words,
and those opportunities we know how to sort of catch
the moment as one of the important teachers in this lineage.
(11:51):
I teach would call it catch the moment and do
something with it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Some time ago, I had a call or call with
a story of a shared dream. And he was at
the airport and he sees this woman coming down the
airport with her suitcase and he goes, oh, my god,
that's the lady in my dreams. He goes up to her.
He had to, he was going crazy. He went up
(12:18):
to her and said, excuse me, I don't want to
interrupt you, but I've been dreaming about you. And she
stopped dead in her tracks and said, I've been dreaming
about you. They ended up dating and getting married. What
creates that.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I love this story so much, and I love your
show because it allows for a discussion of mystery and
one of the things I do a lot of research
on dreaming. And there's a thing in the scientific world
that wants to sort of, you know, put their hands
around every single thing. And there's a big space that's
(12:59):
needed for mystery because we are not going to explain
every single thing. And I found my dream teacher in that.
A similar way, I had a dream that my father,
who had already passed, met me in this incredible sort
of mystical, you know, missed shrouded valley, and this bright
(13:22):
red trolley came down with.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
A woman who had one of those old.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Antique record players and it was bright gold and shining.
And my father walked me into the trolley and sort
of sent me down that way. And I sat there
and I was captivated by the sounds and the music
of this this record player. And I woke up and
I realized, Oh, my dad is handing me off to somebody.
(13:49):
And like two years later, I met my dream teacher.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
How I have.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
No earthly idea, but I do know that when we
go into the dream space, all possibility is already there.
So I tend to think about ourselves as walking sort
of in a balloon. If the balloon is really big
and we're small, everything looks linear, like a straight, flat path.
(14:19):
But if you zoom out, you can see that we're
walking this balloon and everything's contained in the balloon.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
We just have to keep walking until we bump into it.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I've always called a dream state the wireless internet
of life, where we're all connected.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Somehow we are all connected. That's the thing they call
it in Australia. The bush telegraph, and the dream time
is a very real thing and we are all connected
and we can tune into that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Bonnie explain the four level compass. What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
So the four levels of dreaming are a way of
looking at dreams, life texts. It comes from the Jewish
tradition that looked at the first level being story. This
is what you and I are saying on a very
(15:14):
basic level, It's what you write down when you have
a dream in your dream journal.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But beyond that story, there's something else.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
There's the second level, which is resonance or pattern, so
things that are sort of echoing and tugging at you
and repeating and pulling at you, and those then point
to the third level, which is the real question what
does this all mean? And in that meaning making process,
we can move ourselves to the fourth level, which is
(15:45):
the greater potential that is sort of hidden within that
and we can only get to that potential when we
move deeper than story. And those four levels in the
original Hebrew create the an acronym for the word pardez
or orchard. So it's a way of entering this orchard
(16:09):
of understanding or transcendence.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
In a way fascinating. Why are some of our dreams provocative?
Others are precognitive, and some are just there. They're like bland,
you could even remember them. They don't mean anything, They're
just there. Why the difference, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You know, we have different days.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
So there are moments in our days where we might
have a moment of clarity, or we find ourselves in
a place in our life where we're a little bit
more open to receiving something. And then there's moments where
we have too many things on our mind. So, for example,
if I have to catch an early morning flight, first
(16:57):
of all, I'm not going to sleep well. Second of all,
I don't I think I've ever remembered a dream on
a day that I have to catch an early morning flight,
because my mind is so busy, and I'm not allowing
myself to just drop.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Into a full sleep, a fully.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Receptive space, as I'm afraid I'm going to miss my flight,
so i don't want to actually want to sleep that well.
So you know, there are moments in our physical experience
that we're not allowing ourselves to really fully open the
door to dreaming. And it could also be we stayed
out too late with friends and we ate a really
spicy meal. All our body is that receiving space, the
(17:36):
satellite dishes I was talking about, and if it gets
cluttered with a bunch of things, it's very difficult to
get those clear signals.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
What does the nightmare tell us? Is it a warning
sign or is it just some fluke?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
No, nightmares are great, And I know most people don't
talk like that, but nightmares.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Our sort of first responder where.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
We're having some kind of emotional or physical blockage. And
so if we pay attention to the nightmare, most nightmares
are about fear or anger. Other people call it fear anxiety.
Either way, these our sort of primary emotions, and they
(18:21):
are either overly activated or blocked in some way, and
so a nightmare helps us to see that, and we
can engage with the nightmare and shift it. And also,
I'm sort of hinted at this earlier. Every single thing
that we use, all these different rubrics, the four levels
of dreaming, the seven kinds of dreams, all of these
(18:44):
things can be used.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
To look at our waking time.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
And that's when shifts really really really happen. Because we
say so frequently things like my boss is such a nightmare,
or I have this nightmare project going on. We say
that because we're having some kind of emotional reaction to
that experience, and all experiences are able.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
To be transformed in some way. You may still have
that same team member, but we can find.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Perspectives to where that team member is no longer a
nightmare and we can work in a more fluid way.
Whatever the circumstance, we can find and our dreams help
us to do that, and lucidity helps us to do
that ways to shift our energies around it and engage
with it in different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Bonnie Buckner with us PhD, Founder and CEO of the
International Institute of Dreaming and Imagery. As the author, as
I mentioned, of Secret Mind, Unlock the power of dreams
and transform your life, she will relate experiences working with dreams,
unlocking creativity and increasing resilience, explaining how dreams are valuable
(00:27):
to all of us. And here she is back on
Coast to Coast Bonnie Buckner, Hi, Bonnie, how you been?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hey George, good morning or good evening.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
How's it going looking forward to this? Indeed, how'd you
get involved in dreams and dream interpretations?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You know?
Speaker 5 (00:42):
It started when I was a kid and I had
a bunch of nightmares, and I had a moment where
I was thinking, you know, I don't want to have
these nightmares anymore. And I did my whole kid logic
and thought, maybe I'll just never sleep, and how can
I keep myself awake? And I realized that was going
to work, and it just sort of hit me, I
(01:03):
need to figure out how to deal with my nightmares.
Shift them and I'll teach that to other people.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
And so it's been an interest ever.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Since, and it just turned into a booming career for you,
hasn't it?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
It has? It has? It's my mission, let's say for you.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, later on, we'll take calls and we'll even solicit
some dreams and see what you think of them. All right, perfect,
What is it about the human body that dreams? Is
it some quirk in the brain that's trying to work
on overdrive when we sleep? What is it?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
So this is something that the sort of you know,
ancient traditions have I think, in my opinion, much more
of a handle on than modern science in many ways,
because ancient traditions take into account exactly what you said,
the body a whole body, not.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Just the brain.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
So we're in this very strange situation as humans where
we have this sort of consciousness or spiritual side of
ourselves that's crammed in a physical body and we're having
a physical experience on a physical plane, and there's some
kind of need to understand what that is and what's happening.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And dreams are sort of.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
That ability to put into a form that we can
look at and see Oh, this is what I'm feeling,
this is what I'm understanding, These are new ideas, these
are potentials that I have. So it's a way of
speaking to us. It's kind of looking in the mirror
of our inner self about what's happening, how we feel
(02:49):
about it, what we understand about it, and what we
want to do with it.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
How many different kinds of dreams are there.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
So in the tradition that I teach, which goes back
to the thirteenth century in the Mediterranean, Wow, we look
at seven different kinds of dreams, and those correspond to
waking time experiences. So on one end of that spectrum
are nightmares, and on the other end of that spectrum
are dreams of light or union, where everything feels like
(03:20):
it's all one, and we have in between that dreams
of what we call clear dreams, where you have both
block and potential. So one of the things that dreams
do is they help us to in a way. It's
our sort of emotional mental, spiritual homeostasis. So you know,
(03:41):
if we get too hot, our body causes us to
sweat to come back to balance. But dreams are also
a mechanism for us to bring our own emotional, mental,
and spiritual life back into balance. So if I'm having
a nightmare, I know that I'm imbalanced in some kind
of way. If I'm having a great dream or dream
of light or union, I know that I'm having a
(04:04):
moment experiencing a moment of balance, and a clear dream
kind of sets me in the moment of choice where
I can shift something.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Lucid dreams are strange too, when you know you're dreaming
in the dream.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, those are great moments to have when we wake
up to our experience and we become lucid, because that's
really when we can make a change. And I had
someone email me this morning asking about lucid dreams. And
the thing about lucid dreams because everybody loves to talk
about them because it's this incredible experience of just kind
(04:40):
of having two experiences at the same time, dreaming and waking.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And the thing about lucid dreaming.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Is that's a moment where we can bring our consciousness
into that very experiential part of ourselves and really shift things.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
They've done studies on people.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
They've tasked people to write a haiku poem while being lucid,
and lucid dreaming, and they've compared those haiku.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Poems to hai coupoems.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
That were written by people who weren't lucid dreaming but
in a waking state, and by independent raiders. The lucid
dream hai coupoems were rated as much more creative. So
it's a way of really accessing the things that are
beyond what we're allowing ourselves to think about when we're awake.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And Bonnie analyze this for me. I used to I
still do sometimes before I would go to sleep, I
would concentrate on an event or a person that I
wanted to affect, for whether it was a job or
trying to accomplish something or get something done, and then
I'd go to sleep thinking that my brain power or
(05:54):
by dream state would take over and make things happen
for me. In almost every time, almost every time, within
a day or two after I did that, I'd get
a call from that person or something dramatic would happen,
and my goal was accomplished. What was I doing right?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
What you were focusing That's part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know, we're so busy, we don't really spend a
lot of time to focus in on, you know, things
that we're trying to manifest, like you just mentioned, or
any other thing, because we're so moving quickly from one
task to another, from grocery store to work, to kids
to whatever, and just focusing. It's like our mind is light,
(06:47):
and when we focus it, it becomes our thoughts are
like a laser.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Anything we focus on becomes brighter and more intense, and
it's sort of in another sort of metaphysical way, it's
sending a signal out to a little thought signal, if
you will, out to the people that you're wanting to
let know that you want this job or whatever it
(07:14):
is that you're specifically working on.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What creates the clairvoyant or the precognitive dream.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, those are interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
The way I talk about that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Is we're each an individual, right, but we're both humans,
and so outside of our physical form, we have this
sort of web or ocean of connection. And so when
we're asleep and we let go of all of our
(07:48):
own personal individual goals and things.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
That we're working with and occupied by.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And emotions, we can sort of step into that bigger
web or ocean, and we're like little satellite dishes and
we can receive certain things that are happening in the
world are going to happen. You know, time is very
limited to our physical experience, but when we get into
dream time there is it's not linear time, it's all time.
(08:18):
So something that's going to happen, something that has happened,
we can receive information about that. But the important thing
to realize is we're the satellite dish and so there's
still our own subjective perception of what we're receiving. So
we have to make sure there's no static on our
(08:40):
end because we can misperceive something. And we also have
to remember we're just getting a slice of.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
The whole picture.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who
is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering with
not just one or two warts, but I mean a
significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so significant
it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
Was Tie's book. Actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
I'm not surprised it is an amazing immuno modulator, and
so I can see that it would work. And so
at what point did you see that there was actually
improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to
see him get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's great to see him so happy and yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Compt it absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
Would you say that most successful people dream.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I have not put that to scientific study. However, I
do know that when people really activate their dreaming, they
become and this is put to scientific study, they become
much more creative. I know in the work that I've
been doing for the last twenty something years, people are
much more able to fulfill their goals, the things that
(10:48):
they're working on and wanting to do in their lives,
to transform past patterns, to be more perceptive at opportunities
that are passing their way. I mean, that's part of
the negative thing of being so busy all the time,
and why your nighttime focusing back in the day helped
(11:08):
you to tune into people. We also are constantly given
opportunities throughout our days, but because we're not focusing on that,
we miss them. And one of the things that dreamwork
can do is to help us to become lucid not
only in our dream time, but become lucid in our
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waking time, which is to say, both states of consciousness
are operating all the time, whether we're waking or we're dreaming,
so we're hearing things that are being said beyond words,
and those opportunities we know how to sort of catch
the moment as one of the important teachers in this lineage.
(11:51):
I teach would call it catch the moment and do
something with it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Some time ago, I had a call or call with
a story of a shared dream. And he was at
the airport and he sees this woman coming down the
airport with her suitcase and he goes, oh, my god,
that's the lady in my dreams. He goes up to her.
He had to, he was going crazy. He went up
(12:18):
to her and said, excuse me, I don't want to
interrupt you, but I've been dreaming about you. And she
stopped dead in her tracks and said, I've been dreaming
about you. They ended up dating and getting married. What
creates that.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
I love this story so much, and I love your
show because it allows for a discussion of mystery and
one of the things I do a lot of research
on dreaming. And there's a thing in the scientific world
that wants to sort of, you know, put their hands
around every single thing. And there's a big space that's
(12:59):
needed for mystery because we are not going to explain
every single thing. And I found my dream teacher in that.
A similar way, I had a dream that my father,
who had already passed, met me in this incredible sort
of mystical, you know, missed shrouded valley, and this bright
(13:22):
red trolley came down with.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
A woman who had one of those old.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Antique record players and it was bright gold and shining.
And my father walked me into the trolley and sort
of sent me down that way. And I sat there
and I was captivated by the sounds and the music
of this this record player. And I woke up and
I realized, Oh, my dad is handing me off to somebody.
(13:49):
And like two years later, I met my dream teacher.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
How I have.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
No earthly idea, but I do know that when we
go into the dream space, all possibility is already there.
So I tend to think about ourselves as walking sort
of in a balloon. If the balloon is really big
and we're small, everything looks linear, like a straight, flat path.
(14:19):
But if you zoom out, you can see that we're
walking this balloon and everything's contained in the balloon.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
We just have to keep walking until we bump into it.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I've always called a dream state the wireless internet
of life, where we're all connected.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Somehow we are all connected. That's the thing they call
it in Australia. The bush telegraph, and the dream time
is a very real thing and we are all connected
and we can tune into that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Bonnie explain the four level compass. What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
So the four levels of dreaming are a way of
looking at dreams, life texts. It comes from the Jewish
tradition that looked at the first level being story. This
is what you and I are saying on a very
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basic level, It's what you write down when you have
a dream in your dream journal.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
But beyond that story, there's something else.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
There's the second level, which is resonance or pattern, so
things that are sort of echoing and tugging at you
and repeating and pulling at you, and those then point
to the third level, which is the real question what
does this all mean? And in that meaning making process,
we can move ourselves to the fourth level, which is
(15:45):
the greater potential that is sort of hidden within that
and we can only get to that potential when we
move deeper than story. And those four levels in the
original Hebrew create the an acronym for the word pardez
or orchard. So it's a way of entering this orchard
(16:09):
of understanding or transcendence.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
In a way fascinating. Why are some of our dreams provocative?
Others are precognitive, and some are just there. They're like bland,
you could even remember them. They don't mean anything, They're
just there. Why the difference, Well.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
You know, we have different days.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
So there are moments in our days where we might
have a moment of clarity, or we find ourselves in
a place in our life where we're a little bit
more open to receiving something. And then there's moments where
we have too many things on our mind. So, for example,
if I have to catch an early morning flight, first
(16:57):
of all, I'm not going to sleep well. Second of all,
I don't I think I've ever remembered a dream on
a day that I have to catch an early morning flight,
because my mind is so busy, and I'm not allowing
myself to just drop.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Into a full sleep, a fully.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Receptive space, as I'm afraid I'm going to miss my flight,
so i don't want to actually want to sleep that well.
So you know, there are moments in our physical experience
that we're not allowing ourselves to really fully open the
door to dreaming. And it could also be we stayed
out too late with friends and we ate a really
spicy meal. All our body is that receiving space, the
(17:36):
satellite dishes I was talking about, and if it gets
cluttered with a bunch of things, it's very difficult to
get those clear signals.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
What does the nightmare tell us? Is it a warning
sign or is it just some fluke?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
No, nightmares are great, And I know most people don't
talk like that, but nightmares.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Our sort of first responder where.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
We're having some kind of emotional or physical blockage. And
so if we pay attention to the nightmare, most nightmares
are about fear or anger. Other people call it fear anxiety.
Either way, these our sort of primary emotions, and they
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are either overly activated or blocked in some way, and
so a nightmare helps us to see that, and we
can engage with the nightmare and shift it. And also,
I'm sort of hinted at this earlier. Every single thing
that we use, all these different rubrics, the four levels
of dreaming, the seven kinds of dreams, all of these
(18:44):
things can be used.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
To look at our waking time.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
And that's when shifts really really really happen. Because we
say so frequently things like my boss is such a nightmare,
or I have this nightmare project going on. We say
that because we're having some kind of emotional reaction to
that experience, and all experiences are able.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
To be transformed in some way. You may still have
that same team member, but we can find.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Perspectives to where that team member is no longer a
nightmare and we can work in a more fluid way.
Whatever the circumstance, we can find and our dreams help
us to do that, and lucidity helps us to do
that ways to shift our energies around it and engage
with it in different ways.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
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