May 4, 2026 • 41 mins
Captain Ron sits down with Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb for a deep dive into their firsthand experiences with UFO phenomena and the global journey that’s come with it. From unexpected sightings to boots-on-the-ground investigations, Rob and Mark share how their curiosity has taken them across continents in search of answers.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond Contact.
We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're joined by Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb. These two
make up a UFO research and documentary team, and they
take it quite seriously. I'm talking about Rob having traveled
to over twenty one countries and one hundred plus cities together.
They specialized in the exploration of the unknown, with a
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special focus on UFOs and mysterious cultural phenomenon. Along the way,
in Australia, Rob discovered a way to see blindfolded and
founded Vision without Eyes, with one of his hopes being
able to use this ability to help make contact. Together,
they have created a whole series of thought provoking documentaries
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that delve into the mysteries of the universe and the
human experience. Welcome, gentlemen, So good to have you. You know,
you guys are the type of guys that make me
feel so bad. I'm so happy and blessed to get
to talk about these things all the time. But at
the end of the day, I'm just here in my
living room, you know, usually without much clothes on, and
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you guys are out there in the mix and actually
having this incredible fun adventure and you get to travel
to all these places. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
We really do enjoy it. Ron, It's you know, I
would never not do this.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Good for you, man. So this show is short and
sweet and we love to go right off the high board.
So let's do that. Let me ask you, having.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Traveled all over the world, where did.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You find the most compelling sighting or experience. And let's
see if you guys both give the same answer. Why
don't you go first? Mark?
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Oh no, no, no, I know I can already see it
on on on Rob's face. I mean probably one of
the earliest expeditions we had, like in our first year,
was coming to Peru, which is where I am right now.
So it's it's it's it's it's just culturally amazing, you know.
And the mythology of Peru and their acceptance of phenomena
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and mystery is tremendous. So it was. Yeah, we met
with Peru's own six dopad as Wells, who is a
contact tea and very prolific contact tea. He took us
into his home, he had to talk with us, he
gave us advice, and within twenty four hours we were
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out on the beaches apply Ai experiencing it for ourselves. Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Is that the one you'd say, too, Rob?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Honestly, I'm going to talk about the one in Australia.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Mark oh Man, Yeah, absolutely, Oh, okay.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I'll try to make this as short as I can.
We had ety contact, but we didn't really know one
percent sure until later on that night. I can only
tell you. We were set up out in the desert
in Australia, not that far from Ularu from Ayrs Rock
and we were hidden. I mean, it's a straight highway
that goes right, you know, up and down through the country,
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and we were hidden in the bushes. It's desert, but
it's rocky. There's a few bushes here and there. And
this car came along the highway, slowed down, came right
to where we were. Only one of three vehicles the
whole night we were set up with all the equipment,
and this guy pulled in within like thirty feet of us.
Finally we went over to talk to him, and from
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there on nothing made sense at all. On This guy
was you know, what you would call a Nordic looking being.
He was tall, handsome, He said he was from the north.
He had said that he was going home for the weekend,
but he had just traveled eighteen hours.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Did he gesture upward?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
That's right, no kidding, so and he said he had
eighteen hours more to go. And I said, well, why
did you pull in here? Because he couldn't and see us.
And it's all the same for thousands of miles. So
that was too coincidental for us, and nothing about it
made sense at all. He said he worked in the minds.
He was dressed with like clean press clothes. There was
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no five o'clock shadow for somebody who had just driven
eighteen hours. And then I asked him, why did you
come in here? He said to go skywatching, that's what
we were doing. But he didn't have any equipment. And
the more things that I asked him about Australia, he
didn't know. And it was really odd. I knew more
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about Australia than he did. And anyway, the bottom line
was I was starting to suspect something. But he said, well,
if you'd rather go, then I go somewhere else I
could do that. I was going to say, you're welcome
to SkyWatch with us. My partner there wasn't Mark. She said,
well that would be very kind of you, sir. She
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thought it was just a random Australian. I was suspecting
something else. But anyway, he left. But here's the kicker.
We stayed up the whole rest of the night. Nothing
much happened. When the light came up, we packed up.
We went thirty minutes down the highway and as we
were waiting for a vehicle to pass us. We were
turning down into the road to the resort, and as
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the vehicle passed us, Lauren said to me, Rob, did
you see who was in that vehicle? I said, no,
I was just waiting for a vehicle to clear and
I was going I didn't look at the driver. She said,
that was our guy from last night, so it appeared
he was driving back thirty minutes to where we were. So,
without skipping a beat, I just kept turning the car
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right around. I was in the middle of turning to
go down to our resort, and I turned the car around.
I looked down the highway, which you can probably see
ten miles straight down the road. There was no vehicle gone,
and I said, Lauren, where's the vehicle? She said, I
don't know where. Could he have gone? I said, really vanished?
So that was the first confirmation, well really a second.
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The first was all the craziness of what happened. It
didn't make sense right. Second was that a few months
later and we had not told this story to anybody,
we hadn't published it. I had a fellow contact me
around the vision without eye stuff from Serbia or a
place like that he had seen my videos. Okay, he
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didn't know that I was in the UFOs at all.
He asked if we could do a little video conference
with the lady that I was practicing with, and so
we got online and literally within thirty seconds, he says
to me, Rob, I'm getting a psychic flash. And I'm
kind of rolling my eyes internally, like, oh boy, here
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we go, right, And I said, well, you know, what
do you mean psychic flash? And he says, well, I
read tear cars are in pretty sensitive and all this.
And I mean, I didn't let on that. I was
very skeptical about what he was going to say. But
and I said, well, tell me what you're get and
he says, well, I see three of you in the
middle of Australia. There's a woman, two men, and one
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of them's an Eta.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Oh my gosh, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Now this guy had no idea who I was.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I was just the.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Guy that can see blindfold and he wanted to change notes.
He teaches that in Serbia and he was just interested
in hooking up and comparing notes. So all these confirmations
that happened. But I will tell you ron o' leavia
with this, I've talked to many folks who have had
similar situations, where why didn't I keep this guy here?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Now?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
In my case, in my normal brain, I would have
insisted that the guy stay with us. We've done that
around the world. When people come up, we invite them in.
Come on, let's guy watch together. Let's yeah, yeah, exactly,
Mark will interview them, right, And so I would have
normally done that. I would have insisted he stay. No, no, no, no,
stay with us. So there is a thing that can
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happen when you're in the presence of an ET. They
will dumb you down a bit. Wow, okay, and I'll
leave it at that far.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
No, Rob, I'm already pretty low down there. So yeah,
we did a lot of range for me. Hey, let
me ask you guys this, what about your favorite piece
of video footage you were able to capture.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
That's our signature sighting run like Like the signature moment
that we had was in Squamish PC. You know we've
had We've got two of them, but the one that
we got in Squamish was just so unique. Because we
had been drawn to the place through a series of experiences.
We just knew we had to be there and Rob
had all those cameras set up and we stayed there
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for eight hours, a bit of meditation, a bit of everything,
but we really felt it would happen there. And about
eight hours in this object that was determined to be
six to eight feet wide, like a star, but just
really glowing. Rob had all the cameras and just had
the opportunity to hit one button. Got eight seconds of
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footage that got a lot of attension. You know, was
considered one of the top ten sightings of that year
CNN History Channel. All those really wonderful opportunities to get
it out there and to be seen, and yeah, that
really changed our lives. I'd have to say, hey, Rob.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No kidding, no kidding, Wow, what a great, great experience.
I'm glad you guys were able to capture that one,
and how lucky you were to get that thing started
right in time. When we come back, we're going to
ask Rob and Mark what attitudes and beliefs they have
found in different parts of the world towards the UFO
alien phenomenon. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We are
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back at and beyond contact. Speaking with Rob Freeman and
Mark McNabb. Guys, you've been to some of these unique
places and you have a chance for a unique insight
here that always eludes me, and that is what is
the current attitude in other places regarding UFO as and
alien contact? Does it very widely or what did you find?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I can say I can say briefly that you know,
we had been to twenty one countries and we spent
a lot of concentrated effort in South America, and it's
a vastly different approach, you know, to the to the
to the understanding, like from a cultural perspective, the historical perspective,
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and just experiencers, you know, like as I mentioned earlier,
you know, our one of our first expeditions was to
Peru and we remember going out quickly out onto the
beach at play Ayaya and it was in Chilco, which
is like an hour from where I am. I'm going
to go back because I'm excited about it. And we
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were there and going across the beach and there were
men painting very casual, right, just as casual as you
can imagine. This was very early on for us, and
I had a little camera and I stayed back and
I said to Rob at the time, I said, you know,
talk to them. I'm just curious. Let's just do it
like tourists like, Let's not do it like documentary style.
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Rob went right up started to ask them. And the
best moment I think we ever had early on was
one of the painters not even stopping painting. He's like, oh, oh, oh, yeah,
and orb came out of the.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Water and it, you know, and it was as run
of the mill as just telling you what you did
last Saturday night. It wasn't even abnormal to bring up
the fact that a UFO, a USO came out of
the water and was floating around the beaches of Playayaya.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
And we discovered a lot of that. We went to
Argentina in Bolivia and Brazil in Colombia. We went to
all these countries.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And they're very open compared to US.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Exremely open run like I mean, wide open.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, let me ask you this. Do they feel do
they have a sense that their government maybe has recovered
craft or bodies or do they think maybe the US
government has it or how does their take on that?
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Well, I would say they know the US government has
taken the craft away, especially in Brazil, Vrhinia, Brazil. Yeah,
because they saw the US craft. We interviewed people around
that incident. You know, there's the movie that Jamie Fox did, right.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, he's got the second one just came out.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah, we've got to see it, and we went our
an expedition and we ourselves interviewed many of these folks
around that including this was it the sister, the sister
of the policeman who died from an unknown disease. He
was handling one of the creatures run because when he
came around the corner downtown he hit the creature here
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by accident. The creature came out in front of him,
so he gathered up the creature, put it in his vehicle,
took it to the hospital. A couple days later, he
died from an unknown disease from interacting with this creature.
The sister told us everything.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, and it was really interesting that Rod just mentioned
that ron because very quickly to look into that woman's
eyes and to ask her that question. Who thirty years later,
she has no agenda. She did just an interview with
us just because she wanted to not for money, not
for anything, she but to look, have her look at
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us and say in Portuguese, my brother is not a liar.
That's my brother, and my brother is not a liar.
And when you see the tears rolling down her face,
you know that she's not telling you there.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Is something different. Talking to these people firsthand, it's great
you guys get that experience as well. Have you noticed
different interpretations of the same phenomenon cross areas or do
you see different phenomenon across different regions typically?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Gosh, Mark, I'll let you answer that question.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
No, that's a tremendous question. We've never been asked that before,
and I really liked that question a lot. I do
think that there is there's different levels of understanding, Like
there's a spiritual understanding. I think there's a religious understanding.
I think there's historical philosophical. I think there's the mythology
of it versus the science, and I think every culture
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kind of approaches it differently. It's not just the nuts
and bolts, it's not just the mechanics of what people see.
We had the pleasure, i'll say this quickly, of interviewing
Jacques Vallet on three different occasions. This is an incredibly
intelligent man. I mean you know that within seconds of
being with him. And he was always interested in the eyewitnesses.
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He was always always interested in We got the chance
to interview someone in Argentine that he interviewed thirty years ago.
And the understanding that you get is that everyone if
you I'm sorry, ron if I'm going all over the
place a little bit with this answer, but it all
kind of comes down to the to the individual and
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and maybe a little farther than that is it's at
a consciousness level. And Jacques Valet really believed in the
way that the extraterrestrials or the craft communicates. How does
it communicate with you? How does it what's the interpretation
that you come out with? Rob and I have had
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fifty experiences, you know, too many experiences. We love your
show and it's so hard to keep ourselves contained because
we have many examples of when we were communicated with
through extraterrestrials and through craft, and I think that happens
around the world.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
That's amazing. Now, how do you pick where you want
to go? Do you just hear about a hotspot? Is
there a particular case you're chasing down, or do you
just sort of go to a place and make it
up along the way.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I would say we go by how we feel. Ron like,
we collect all the information, all the information and what
feels right, what is drawing us there. For example, that
time in Squamis, BC, we were driving along the logging road.
We came out to a spot where we could see
the big you know cliff, the big flat rocks the
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Squamish Mountain, they're the chief and we all turned each other,
stopped the car. We turned to each other and we said,
this is it. I can feel it. We're gonna see
something right here. And at ten fifty nine pm that's
when the light came across. The silent light came across
that we filmed. So we go by how we feel.
We take a lot of information in. For example, we've
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been invited to go to Skinwalker. We're not going. Doesn't
feel right for me. I'm I'm you know, I feel
that there's something harmful there, So I don't want to go.
Like the shine has gone off the apple.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I don't want to doubt for something to this that
you've got to follow the universe. It'll tell you that
kind of thing. I have never felt that way before,
but in recent years, I've found that to be true.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You know, we've had those experiences ron where we look
at the history, we look at the legends, we get
an understanding. I'll do some early research. I'll reach out
to different people that who have had experiences. I find
out who is open to us, who understands our reputation.
Our reputation is very, very important to us. After ten years,
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everybody knows that when we come, we're respectful. We want
to get more information, we want to educate people with
the information, like the next generation of people. So it's
a combination of the location, the people, the intention, and
then somehow, some way we end up having some kind
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of an experience we can't really explain.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Amazing. I wonder if you guys typically interpret the findings
the same way or do you sometimes have different interpretations
of what you saw.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Well, I can tell you that this is the reason
that Mark and I go out together, because you know
some of this crazy stuff that can happen, it's almost
like you have to pinch yourself to know whether it's
true or not. So I turned to Mark, Mark, what
did you see? What did you feel? So that we
can keep ourselves on the ground you know, keep our
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sanity intact. You know, people that have experiences by themselves.
It can be troublesome because, first of all, as time
goes on, you may not believe yourself. And never mind,
you know other people believe in you. At least Mark
and I we can re talk about events and keep
ourselves totally grounded on what we saw, what we felt,
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what happened, and we will. You know, I don't think
we've There's only one time that we had a different
story of what happened, and that was on the beach
at play Ai when we had that sort of time
shift thing that happened. Mark, where your recollection of what
just happened and the female partner on our group her
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recollection of what happened was totally different, but both people
were correct in their timeline ron.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
That'll happen time from time. Sometimes three people are looking
at the sky and two people see a white orb
right in front of them, might go and the other
person doesn't see it at all. It's this bizarre, yet
another mystery around this phenomenon. Let's take an all the break here, guys.
When we come back, we're going to ask Mark and
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Rob their thoughts on the role of consciousness in the
UFO phenomenon and alien contact, And they just talked about
how they follow their feelings, so I'm guessing consciousness plays
a huge role for them. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeart ready on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with
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Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb. It seems to me like
you guys, at least you, Rob certainly brought that up.
You may be in the camp of consciousness playing a
major role in the phenomenon? Is that where you guys
sit with us? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Absolutely, Yeah, And you know, many of the folks that
we've interviewed, it's the same thing like of course, you
know Grant Cameron, whether it's Jack Valet, all these folks
will tell you the same thing. And you know, consciousness
what we're feeling all of these things together. Mark, maybe
you could expand on it a bit.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah. No, I'm excited about this topic when it comes to,
you know, a deeper understanding of what creates a contact moment.
Rob and I are blessed. I mean we're blessed because
we had early on, we had the opportunity to go
on expeditions, one on one expeditions with six topas wells
and Ricardo Gonzalez especially. You know, we spent eighteen days
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with Ricardo Gonzalez, who said experiences connected to his consciousness
since he was like nineteen years old, so for almost
thirty years of his life. Every experience that he ever
had came from that. And when we spent those days
with him, it elevated us, you know, it elevated us
to say, Okay, it's not just again, it's not just
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nuts and bolts. And a quote from Rob that I've
always loved is it's not what you see in the sky,
it's what's all around you. You know, don't ignore the
signs because we learned that in Peru as well, you know,
through a shaman that we spent time with, who said
to us as soon as he met us, don't just
be looking for craft like that. That's that's a manifestation
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in itself. A mechanical style, could be any kind of
a mechanical manifestation. But don't ignore the inner journey of
of of how it affects your mind, your heart, how
you what you want to do with the contact moment.
You know, like what's it mean to you? What's I'm
hoping just quickly, my last thought on it is, I
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think I really feel that the consciousness is extremely important
for people who have those experiences because they want to
understand it and they want to explain it to their
friends and family. They don't want to make it fearful.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
When you're out there, do you meet other UFO researchers
in these different regions, and if so, do they tend
to align with your feelings on this? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I would say so, that's primarily what we do. Mark
will look for a client people have had contact and
other researchers, and we meet with them and share notes,
go out in the field with them, document and I
would say they do line up. You know, it starts
out as stuff in the sky, lights in the sky,
but you know very soon it's about all the crazy
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things that are happening around you and to you and
with you and your interaction with the other people.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Do you think that any of this could connect to
these ancient reports and accounts of gods or angels or
beings from other realms? Do you think there could be
anything to any of that.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I actually had the opportunity to spend about three months
in Italy. Rob and I have gone to Italy on
three occasions, and there is a strong belief of that.
It's like if you look at it culturally, if you
look at it historically, what we call extraterrestrials could very
well have been called angels, could very well have been
called many different things because it is a cultural interpretation. Right.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Even the fairy reports seem to almost echo word for word.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
You've seen those, right, absolutely, if you go to the
Bible and you look at you know different you look
at Easy Ezekiel, a chapter an Ezekiel where it talks
about the you know, about an object in the sky
with windows like a big wheels. Yeah, exactly exactly like
it's so it's so apparent that they have. There's even
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paintings I looked at different paintings where objects are in
the paintings that you look at the object and you go,
come on, pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Incredible because it does look just like a modern day UFO.
I mean, what else you would call that. There's not
like you could mistake that for something else in some
of those I mean, it's clearly a UFO. You guys
each have a case or maybe a location or an
incident that sticks in your cra that maybe even keeps
you up.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Oh gosh, for me, it was the Cusco craft. We
were going through the valley. This is an hour or
so from Cusco, and we're looking for a place to
set up and we're going driving down to this long
valley and we looked over and we saw a road
going up the mountain and we thought, okay, let's go
up there to observe tonight. And of course we got
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to the road. There was a gate and right beside
the gate was a museum, an Inco museum, and we
went and talked to the guy if he could open
the gate and we could go up the road. And
he said, well, if you pay the admission and come
into my museum, let me give you the talk. Each
pay you know, three admissions, and I'm going to leave
the gate open for you tonight, and then you go
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and just close the gate when you leave. So we
did just that. We listened to his talk about the
whole inca culture. It was fabulous.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Then we went up.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
We got set up and we didn't see much and
there was approaching thunderstorms. It wasn't clear night, but there
were approaching thunderstorms, and we thought we better get off
the mountain. We've got all this metal, the car's metal,
the tripods are metal, right, and we were packing up,
so we hadn't already seen anything. And while we were
packing up, Mark got his camera out was just with
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his iPhone, was just snapping photos around because sometimes we've
had things appear in the photos and we look after
and the idea is to snap three photos in a row,
then move on snap three so that if something appears,
you can is it still in the next photo or
in the previous photo. So we did that and then
I got the stuff packed up. Mark was still taking
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pictures and it looked like he was going to be
doing that for a while, so I hat, well, I'm
just going to sit around and watch him. I'll do
the same because I know this can we can get
stuff up here. So I was snapping photos and I
did eighty of them, and then we you know, quickly
packed up. We went back. We were heading to match
to Pechu the next day. We did that, and when
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we went to much Peach, you know that closes up
at five. So we were back in our hotel and
I had nothing to do I'm looking through those eighty pictures.
Picture number two there was a crazy photo and I
the crazy way that it showed up here. I've got
it right here in my favorites and I'm going to
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scroll right down to it.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Here.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It is right there. That's what I got in the sky.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Yeah, isn't that wild? Now that's a zoom of it.
Here's the actual picture right here. There's the actual picture. Okay,
see you see it in the corner right there, I say, okay, okay.
And because that picture is so clear. Yet at that
time the iPhone, the nighttime exposures were one quarter of
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a second, so guaranteed if you take a photo of
anything at night, it's going to be blurred. That one
is crystal clear. Why because it flashed probably in one
thousands of a second from our dimension into the other dimension.
And so I was excited about that. Now, Mark, you
tell the rest of the story. We went back to
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that same spot with Ricardo Gonzalez a year later.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Yeah, I can say this really quickly because we went
back to that area Cusco and Ricardo said, do you
know where do you know where you are right now?
And we were like, do you know where you were
when you went the first time, and we were like no,
and he said, this is a moon temple. This is
a this is a prolific ink and moon temple. And
they would do a lot of contact work in this area.
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They had a and the carving in the stone was
where the moon would hit and the light and this
is where they did their contact work. And we had
no idea that we had no well, and that was
another hundred feet down the road. It was dark, so
we never saw it, but we were kind of led
to that spot and that's where we got that so
(29:40):
called craft. So we were blown away. And then of
course six Door receives a message in his meditation for
Mark and I.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
What was the message?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh? Oh, which which one? Which message?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, it was remembering the meditation that there was a
message from Ann to Elf for you and I about
the fact that they were going to allow us to
photograph more and more.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah, they were giving us permission. This was like a
confirmation moment for them to say to us, we're giving
you permission to to keep moving forward with your work.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Well, that's pretty cool. That feels pretty good. I like it.
All Right, when we come back, we're going to ask
Rob about his experiences with vision without eyes and how
that may tie into the making contact with a non
human intelligence. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact. We speaking with Rob Freeman and
Mark McNabb. This was for you, Rob, So you discovered
and learned and now even train people on how to
have vision without using their eyes while wearing a blindfold.
Tell me how that ties into the UFO contact experience
for you?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So on one of our expeditions to Australia, we were
hanging around with a lady Leoni a Pelt and her
family there come from a long line of experiencers and
she would take us out to different spots and we
would go out and set up the equipment and we
met many people through her and that was great. And
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when we got back from that expedition, I think it
was the day after I received a video, a text
video from Leoni. There was nothing said with it, just
a video and I opened it up. It went on
for about a minute or so and it was her
grandkids running around the backyard with masks on, playing hide
and go seek as if they could see, and I thought, well,
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they can clearly see. I wrote her right back and
I said, Leoni, is this a joke? Because you know,
she was quite a practical joker also and just a
great fun person to be with, great sense of humor,
lovely gal. I said, is this a joke or is
this real? Because if it's real, I want.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
She wrote right back and said it's real. I've been
teaching my grandkids and they can see blindfolded without their eyes. So,
to make a long story short, we hooked up with
folks that teach this. The one lady only taught it
to kids because they're easy to teach. She did take
a chance she was teaching it to us. We did
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get to see a little bit that weekend. We went
back and then started practicing. We didn't know what to
do or how to do it, but we did and
we started coming open with our mindsight at the intuitive
level and then seeing in real time. So I've been
teaching people online for free for many years, and you know,
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posting the videos and then you know, for a lot
of people to get past the intuitive level to this
seeing in real time level that is better done in person.
There's something about the transfer of energy at a quantum level.
However it works, it works way better, exponentially better in person.
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So we knew that we had to do in person events.
So about two and a half years ago we started
into that, putting events together and taking people right to
the intuitive level where you know, things appear very hazily
and it's maybe not necessarily in real time, to where
their windows start to open. You know, you get dots
of light, you can see colors through them, and they
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open bigger, you can see detail through them, You get
more of those opening can look like Swiss cheese, and
eventually folks can have an entire screen of vision if
they keep at it, and eventually you can see three
sixty degrees around you. If you so choose, you can
have things like telescopic vision that I've experienced, and also
(33:59):
macroscopy division where you're looking so close at something like
closer and closer and closer that you could never do
with your realize. So we've been doing seminars. We even
did a seminar last August where we put the two
together and that was a fabulous seminar. UFOs and the
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Mind Sight now it was a lot. This year, we're
going back to Mount Shasta August ninth to fifteenth only
for the UFOs and we're setting up, you know, we're
going to have motor homes right up on San Flats
in Mount Shasta where we had a sighting last year
where I saw this crazy light moving around back and
(34:40):
forth and I said to it, if you're not a star,
go up and down vertically, and it did that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I was bowing. So how do you? Yeah, mindsight though,
for the contact, how does that work?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah? Yeah, I would like to say Rob if I
can't quickly, because I absolutely I have so much respect
for the Rob's done with mindsight. He got into it
eight or nine years ago, right at the beginning of
when we were doing some of the UFO work. And
an initial trigger for Rob, if I may say respectfully, Rob,
was he wanted to open up his psychic mind more.
(35:15):
He wanted to explore that, he wanted to experiment with that,
feeling that it could be like a gateway, you know,
some gateway could be opened that would allow more in
terms of extraterrestrial or UFO contact. And he's been so
diligent with it, and he stayed with and he's trained
his mind, So I think that is part of the
(35:37):
UFO experience. And then I will add that when we
did the event last year, you know, and we had
the combo event, there were many people there that just
loved working with rob and mindsight, but they also were
equally enthusiastic many of them, not everybody, but many were
very enthusiastic about the correlation, the connection between uf and
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contact and how is my mind connected? Like am I
seeing unseen worlds like I feel like even with the
blindfold on, they were thinking that, like I'm seeing worlds
like I. And we had so many experiences in addition
to seeing a UFO, So we're excited to go back
this summer. We're excited for August because we want to
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go back, but we want to explore the connection between them.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
These are in adjacent arenas. If nothing else between telepathy
and remote viewing, all that sort of seems to kind
of tie in here. I want to ask you this,
are you guys able to detect some phenomenon with your
camera equipment? It seems like you guys have some pretty
high tech gear and that you're able to see things
with that gear that you're not with your naked eye
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and no, Rob, I don't mean with a blindfold on.
I'm asking real world. Can you see things with your
equipment that you're missing with your eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yes, many times, a lot of times will I will
go back through the footage with the infrared cameras, with
the full spectrum cameras, with the thermal cameras. There's been
and there's been many things that we have looked back
to the footage and find in those cameras. For example,
out in Lake Ontario, we had this light out in
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the middle of the lake that was shining up in
It gradually came on over thirty minutes and then gradually
went out right in the middle of the lake. We
didn't see that with our eyes. That was picked up
in That was picked up in the full spectrum, I believe.
For the time lapse, I can't remember. We've got the
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time lapse, the full spectrum, the thermal, the infrared, the zoom,
the wide angle visible, you know, you name it. And
I would say probably two thirds of the time we
capture stuff in the cameras that we didn't see with
our eyes.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Wow, that's really really incredible. So let me ask you
this at the the end of the day, do you
think we're dealing with an extraterrestrial intelligence and interdimensional entity
or is there something else entirely going on here.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Now?
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Yeah, like we can only Robin, I always say, we
can only talk from our own perspective, you know, through
our own through our own experiences. We have experienced so
much it's it's trippy, you know, like you we know
we've had interdimensional experiences, too big of a story to
(38:34):
talk and to say about today, but we've had that,
We've had those interdimensional experiences. We've had those those experiences
that we know are not of this earth and it's
not all just extraterrestrials and UFOs. So our theory is
just to keep expanding as the years go by, because
they seem to like, like we call it the cosmic carrot.
(38:55):
They seem to be putting a carrot in front of
us to kind of keep moving, you know, moving forward,
and we keep learning. So it's expanding round all the time,
you know.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
And I would say yeah, and I would say too.
We learned this from a fellow by the name of
Hans out in California. If you stick your head in
the sea and you see a shark going by, are
you going to say that everything in the ocean or sharks?
I mean, you know, you put your head in another time,
you're gonna see goldfish, another time, swordfish, You're gonna see that.
(39:27):
There's thousands of different species of fish. And I mean
it seems to me in this whole phenomenon, there's a physical,
there's the spiritual, there's the inter dimensional. I mean, there
are so many different aspects and faucets to it. Ron
So I don't think we can peg it as any
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one thing.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, guys, we're out of time. How can people find you?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (39:52):
The best way for us to be found is through
the Facebook channel, like the Facebook page Rob Freeman UFO
World Explorer or encounters. But the Rod free the UFO
World Explorer is wonderful. It's got all of our stories,
videos are our new event that's coming up this summer.
So all information is best served coming off the UFO
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World Explorer Facebook page.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
And and if.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
You want to go to Vision without Eyes for the blindfold,
that's Vision without Eyes dot com.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
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for listening. You can find me on Twitter. And Instagram
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We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
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Speaker 4 (01:13):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're joined by Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb. These two
make up a UFO research and documentary team, and they
take it quite seriously. I'm talking about Rob having traveled
to over twenty one countries and one hundred plus cities together.
They specialized in the exploration of the unknown, with a
(01:34):
special focus on UFOs and mysterious cultural phenomenon. Along the way,
in Australia, Rob discovered a way to see blindfolded and
founded Vision without Eyes, with one of his hopes being
able to use this ability to help make contact. Together,
they have created a whole series of thought provoking documentaries
(01:55):
that delve into the mysteries of the universe and the
human experience. Welcome, gentlemen, So good to have you. You know,
you guys are the type of guys that make me
feel so bad. I'm so happy and blessed to get
to talk about these things all the time. But at
the end of the day, I'm just here in my
living room, you know, usually without much clothes on, and
(02:16):
you guys are out there in the mix and actually
having this incredible fun adventure and you get to travel
to all these places. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
We really do enjoy it. Ron, It's you know, I
would never not do this.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Good for you, man. So this show is short and
sweet and we love to go right off the high board.
So let's do that. Let me ask you, having.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Traveled all over the world, where did.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You find the most compelling sighting or experience. And let's
see if you guys both give the same answer. Why
don't you go first? Mark?
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Oh no, no, no, I know I can already see it
on on on Rob's face. I mean probably one of
the earliest expeditions we had, like in our first year,
was coming to Peru, which is where I am right now.
So it's it's it's it's it's just culturally amazing, you know.
And the mythology of Peru and their acceptance of phenomena
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and mystery is tremendous. So it was. Yeah, we met
with Peru's own six dopad as Wells, who is a
contact tea and very prolific contact tea. He took us
into his home, he had to talk with us, he
gave us advice, and within twenty four hours we were
(03:33):
out on the beaches apply Ai experiencing it for ourselves. Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Is that the one you'd say, too, Rob?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Honestly, I'm going to talk about the one in Australia.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Mark oh Man, Yeah, absolutely, Oh, okay.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I'll try to make this as short as I can.
We had ety contact, but we didn't really know one
percent sure until later on that night. I can only
tell you. We were set up out in the desert
in Australia, not that far from Ularu from Ayrs Rock
and we were hidden. I mean, it's a straight highway
that goes right, you know, up and down through the country,
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and we were hidden in the bushes. It's desert, but
it's rocky. There's a few bushes here and there. And
this car came along the highway, slowed down, came right
to where we were. Only one of three vehicles the
whole night we were set up with all the equipment,
and this guy pulled in within like thirty feet of us.
Finally we went over to talk to him, and from
(04:31):
there on nothing made sense at all. On This guy
was you know, what you would call a Nordic looking being.
He was tall, handsome, He said he was from the north.
He had said that he was going home for the weekend,
but he had just traveled eighteen hours.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Did he gesture upward?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
That's right, no kidding, so and he said he had
eighteen hours more to go. And I said, well, why
did you pull in here? Because he couldn't and see us.
And it's all the same for thousands of miles. So
that was too coincidental for us, and nothing about it
made sense at all. He said he worked in the minds.
He was dressed with like clean press clothes. There was
(05:15):
no five o'clock shadow for somebody who had just driven
eighteen hours. And then I asked him, why did you
come in here? He said to go skywatching, that's what
we were doing. But he didn't have any equipment. And
the more things that I asked him about Australia, he
didn't know. And it was really odd. I knew more
(05:37):
about Australia than he did. And anyway, the bottom line
was I was starting to suspect something. But he said, well,
if you'd rather go, then I go somewhere else I
could do that. I was going to say, you're welcome
to SkyWatch with us. My partner there wasn't Mark. She said,
well that would be very kind of you, sir. She
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thought it was just a random Australian. I was suspecting
something else. But anyway, he left. But here's the kicker.
We stayed up the whole rest of the night. Nothing
much happened. When the light came up, we packed up.
We went thirty minutes down the highway and as we
were waiting for a vehicle to pass us. We were
turning down into the road to the resort, and as
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the vehicle passed us, Lauren said to me, Rob, did
you see who was in that vehicle? I said, no,
I was just waiting for a vehicle to clear and
I was going I didn't look at the driver. She said,
that was our guy from last night, so it appeared
he was driving back thirty minutes to where we were. So,
without skipping a beat, I just kept turning the car
(06:41):
right around. I was in the middle of turning to
go down to our resort, and I turned the car around.
I looked down the highway, which you can probably see
ten miles straight down the road. There was no vehicle gone,
and I said, Lauren, where's the vehicle? She said, I
don't know where. Could he have gone? I said, really vanished?
So that was the first confirmation, well really a second.
(07:04):
The first was all the craziness of what happened. It
didn't make sense right. Second was that a few months
later and we had not told this story to anybody,
we hadn't published it. I had a fellow contact me
around the vision without eye stuff from Serbia or a
place like that he had seen my videos. Okay, he
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didn't know that I was in the UFOs at all.
He asked if we could do a little video conference
with the lady that I was practicing with, and so
we got online and literally within thirty seconds, he says
to me, Rob, I'm getting a psychic flash. And I'm
kind of rolling my eyes internally, like, oh boy, here
(07:45):
we go, right, And I said, well, you know, what
do you mean psychic flash? And he says, well, I
read tear cars are in pretty sensitive and all this.
And I mean, I didn't let on that. I was
very skeptical about what he was going to say. But
and I said, well, tell me what you're get and
he says, well, I see three of you in the
middle of Australia. There's a woman, two men, and one
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of them's an Eta.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Oh my gosh, I know.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Now this guy had no idea who I was.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I was just the.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Guy that can see blindfold and he wanted to change notes.
He teaches that in Serbia and he was just interested
in hooking up and comparing notes. So all these confirmations
that happened. But I will tell you ron o' leavia
with this, I've talked to many folks who have had
similar situations, where why didn't I keep this guy here?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Now?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
In my case, in my normal brain, I would have
insisted that the guy stay with us. We've done that
around the world. When people come up, we invite them in.
Come on, let's guy watch together. Let's yeah, yeah, exactly,
Mark will interview them, right, And so I would have
normally done that. I would have insisted he stay. No, no, no, no,
stay with us. So there is a thing that can
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happen when you're in the presence of an ET. They
will dumb you down a bit. Wow, okay, and I'll
leave it at that far.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
No, Rob, I'm already pretty low down there. So yeah,
we did a lot of range for me. Hey, let
me ask you guys this, what about your favorite piece
of video footage you were able to capture.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
That's our signature sighting run like Like the signature moment
that we had was in Squamish PC. You know we've
had We've got two of them, but the one that
we got in Squamish was just so unique. Because we
had been drawn to the place through a series of experiences.
We just knew we had to be there and Rob
had all those cameras set up and we stayed there
(09:44):
for eight hours, a bit of meditation, a bit of everything,
but we really felt it would happen there. And about
eight hours in this object that was determined to be
six to eight feet wide, like a star, but just
really glowing. Rob had all the cameras and just had
the opportunity to hit one button. Got eight seconds of
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footage that got a lot of attension. You know, was
considered one of the top ten sightings of that year
CNN History Channel. All those really wonderful opportunities to get
it out there and to be seen, and yeah, that
really changed our lives. I'd have to say, hey, Rob.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No kidding, no kidding, Wow, what a great, great experience.
I'm glad you guys were able to capture that one,
and how lucky you were to get that thing started
right in time. When we come back, we're going to
ask Rob and Mark what attitudes and beliefs they have
found in different parts of the world towards the UFO
alien phenomenon. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We are
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back at and beyond contact. Speaking with Rob Freeman and
Mark McNabb. Guys, you've been to some of these unique
places and you have a chance for a unique insight
here that always eludes me, and that is what is
the current attitude in other places regarding UFO as and
alien contact? Does it very widely or what did you find?
Speaker 6 (11:19):
I can say I can say briefly that you know,
we had been to twenty one countries and we spent
a lot of concentrated effort in South America, and it's
a vastly different approach, you know, to the to the
to the understanding, like from a cultural perspective, the historical perspective,
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and just experiencers, you know, like as I mentioned earlier,
you know, our one of our first expeditions was to
Peru and we remember going out quickly out onto the
beach at play Ayaya and it was in Chilco, which
is like an hour from where I am. I'm going
to go back because I'm excited about it. And we
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were there and going across the beach and there were
men painting very casual, right, just as casual as you
can imagine. This was very early on for us, and
I had a little camera and I stayed back and
I said to Rob at the time, I said, you know,
talk to them. I'm just curious. Let's just do it
like tourists like, Let's not do it like documentary style.
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Rob went right up started to ask them. And the
best moment I think we ever had early on was
one of the painters not even stopping painting. He's like, oh, oh, oh, yeah,
and orb came out of the.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
Water and it, you know, and it was as run
of the mill as just telling you what you did
last Saturday night. It wasn't even abnormal to bring up
the fact that a UFO, a USO came out of
the water and was floating around the beaches of Playayaya.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
And we discovered a lot of that. We went to
Argentina in Bolivia and Brazil in Colombia. We went to
all these countries.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And they're very open compared to US.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Exremely open run like I mean, wide open.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, let me ask you this. Do they feel do
they have a sense that their government maybe has recovered
craft or bodies or do they think maybe the US
government has it or how does their take on that?
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Well, I would say they know the US government has
taken the craft away, especially in Brazil, Vrhinia, Brazil. Yeah,
because they saw the US craft. We interviewed people around
that incident. You know, there's the movie that Jamie Fox did, right.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, he's got the second one just came out.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah, we've got to see it, and we went our
an expedition and we ourselves interviewed many of these folks
around that including this was it the sister, the sister
of the policeman who died from an unknown disease. He
was handling one of the creatures run because when he
came around the corner downtown he hit the creature here
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by accident. The creature came out in front of him,
so he gathered up the creature, put it in his vehicle,
took it to the hospital. A couple days later, he
died from an unknown disease from interacting with this creature.
The sister told us everything.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, and it was really interesting that Rod just mentioned
that ron because very quickly to look into that woman's
eyes and to ask her that question. Who thirty years later,
she has no agenda. She did just an interview with
us just because she wanted to not for money, not
for anything, she but to look, have her look at
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us and say in Portuguese, my brother is not a liar.
That's my brother, and my brother is not a liar.
And when you see the tears rolling down her face,
you know that she's not telling you there.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Is something different. Talking to these people firsthand, it's great
you guys get that experience as well. Have you noticed
different interpretations of the same phenomenon cross areas or do
you see different phenomenon across different regions typically?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Gosh, Mark, I'll let you answer that question.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
No, that's a tremendous question. We've never been asked that before,
and I really liked that question a lot. I do
think that there is there's different levels of understanding, Like
there's a spiritual understanding. I think there's a religious understanding.
I think there's historical philosophical. I think there's the mythology
of it versus the science, and I think every culture
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kind of approaches it differently. It's not just the nuts
and bolts, it's not just the mechanics of what people see.
We had the pleasure, i'll say this quickly, of interviewing
Jacques Vallet on three different occasions. This is an incredibly
intelligent man. I mean you know that within seconds of
being with him. And he was always interested in the eyewitnesses.
(15:53):
He was always always interested in We got the chance
to interview someone in Argentine that he interviewed thirty years ago.
And the understanding that you get is that everyone if
you I'm sorry, ron if I'm going all over the
place a little bit with this answer, but it all
kind of comes down to the to the individual and
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and maybe a little farther than that is it's at
a consciousness level. And Jacques Valet really believed in the
way that the extraterrestrials or the craft communicates. How does
it communicate with you? How does it what's the interpretation
that you come out with? Rob and I have had
(16:35):
fifty experiences, you know, too many experiences. We love your
show and it's so hard to keep ourselves contained because
we have many examples of when we were communicated with
through extraterrestrials and through craft, and I think that happens
around the world.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
That's amazing. Now, how do you pick where you want
to go? Do you just hear about a hotspot? Is
there a particular case you're chasing down, or do you
just sort of go to a place and make it
up along the way.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I would say we go by how we feel. Ron like,
we collect all the information, all the information and what
feels right, what is drawing us there. For example, that
time in Squamis, BC, we were driving along the logging road.
We came out to a spot where we could see
the big you know cliff, the big flat rocks the
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Squamish Mountain, they're the chief and we all turned each other,
stopped the car. We turned to each other and we said,
this is it. I can feel it. We're gonna see
something right here. And at ten fifty nine pm that's
when the light came across. The silent light came across
that we filmed. So we go by how we feel.
We take a lot of information in. For example, we've
(17:50):
been invited to go to Skinwalker. We're not going. Doesn't
feel right for me. I'm I'm you know, I feel
that there's something harmful there, So I don't want to go.
Like the shine has gone off the apple.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I don't want to doubt for something to this that
you've got to follow the universe. It'll tell you that
kind of thing. I have never felt that way before,
but in recent years, I've found that to be true.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
You know, we've had those experiences ron where we look
at the history, we look at the legends, we get
an understanding. I'll do some early research. I'll reach out
to different people that who have had experiences. I find
out who is open to us, who understands our reputation.
Our reputation is very, very important to us. After ten years,
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everybody knows that when we come, we're respectful. We want
to get more information, we want to educate people with
the information, like the next generation of people. So it's
a combination of the location, the people, the intention, and
then somehow, some way we end up having some kind
(18:59):
of an experience we can't really explain.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Amazing. I wonder if you guys typically interpret the findings
the same way or do you sometimes have different interpretations
of what you saw.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
Well, I can tell you that this is the reason
that Mark and I go out together, because you know
some of this crazy stuff that can happen, it's almost
like you have to pinch yourself to know whether it's
true or not. So I turned to Mark, Mark, what
did you see? What did you feel? So that we
can keep ourselves on the ground you know, keep our
(19:33):
sanity intact. You know, people that have experiences by themselves.
It can be troublesome because, first of all, as time
goes on, you may not believe yourself. And never mind,
you know other people believe in you. At least Mark
and I we can re talk about events and keep
ourselves totally grounded on what we saw, what we felt,
(19:56):
what happened, and we will. You know, I don't think
we've There's only one time that we had a different
story of what happened, and that was on the beach
at play Ai when we had that sort of time
shift thing that happened. Mark, where your recollection of what
just happened and the female partner on our group her
(20:18):
recollection of what happened was totally different, but both people
were correct in their timeline ron.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
That'll happen time from time. Sometimes three people are looking
at the sky and two people see a white orb
right in front of them, might go and the other
person doesn't see it at all. It's this bizarre, yet
another mystery around this phenomenon. Let's take an all the break here, guys.
When we come back, we're going to ask Mark and
(20:46):
Rob their thoughts on the role of consciousness in the
UFO phenomenon and alien contact, And they just talked about
how they follow their feelings, so I'm guessing consciousness plays
a huge role for them. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeart ready on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with
(21:18):
Rob Freeman and Mark McNabb. It seems to me like
you guys, at least you, Rob certainly brought that up.
You may be in the camp of consciousness playing a
major role in the phenomenon? Is that where you guys
sit with us? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Absolutely, Yeah, And you know, many of the folks that
we've interviewed, it's the same thing like of course, you
know Grant Cameron, whether it's Jack Valet, all these folks
will tell you the same thing. And you know, consciousness
what we're feeling all of these things together. Mark, maybe
you could expand on it a bit.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah. No, I'm excited about this topic when it comes to,
you know, a deeper understanding of what creates a contact moment.
Rob and I are blessed. I mean we're blessed because
we had early on, we had the opportunity to go
on expeditions, one on one expeditions with six topas wells
and Ricardo Gonzalez especially. You know, we spent eighteen days
(22:17):
with Ricardo Gonzalez, who said experiences connected to his consciousness
since he was like nineteen years old, so for almost
thirty years of his life. Every experience that he ever
had came from that. And when we spent those days
with him, it elevated us, you know, it elevated us
to say, Okay, it's not just again, it's not just
(22:39):
nuts and bolts. And a quote from Rob that I've
always loved is it's not what you see in the sky,
it's what's all around you. You know, don't ignore the
signs because we learned that in Peru as well, you know,
through a shaman that we spent time with, who said
to us as soon as he met us, don't just
be looking for craft like that. That's that's a manifestation
(23:03):
in itself. A mechanical style, could be any kind of
a mechanical manifestation. But don't ignore the inner journey of
of of how it affects your mind, your heart, how
you what you want to do with the contact moment.
You know, like what's it mean to you? What's I'm
hoping just quickly, my last thought on it is, I
(23:25):
think I really feel that the consciousness is extremely important
for people who have those experiences because they want to
understand it and they want to explain it to their
friends and family. They don't want to make it fearful.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
When you're out there, do you meet other UFO researchers
in these different regions, and if so, do they tend
to align with your feelings on this? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I would say so, that's primarily what we do. Mark
will look for a client people have had contact and
other researchers, and we meet with them and share notes,
go out in the field with them, document and I
would say they do line up. You know, it starts
out as stuff in the sky, lights in the sky,
but you know very soon it's about all the crazy
(24:10):
things that are happening around you and to you and
with you and your interaction with the other people.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Do you think that any of this could connect to
these ancient reports and accounts of gods or angels or
beings from other realms? Do you think there could be
anything to any of that.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I actually had the opportunity to spend about three months
in Italy. Rob and I have gone to Italy on
three occasions, and there is a strong belief of that.
It's like if you look at it culturally, if you
look at it historically, what we call extraterrestrials could very
well have been called angels, could very well have been
called many different things because it is a cultural interpretation. Right.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Even the fairy reports seem to almost echo word for word.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
You've seen those, right, absolutely, if you go to the
Bible and you look at you know different you look
at Easy Ezekiel, a chapter an Ezekiel where it talks
about the you know, about an object in the sky
with windows like a big wheels. Yeah, exactly exactly like
it's so it's so apparent that they have. There's even
(25:17):
paintings I looked at different paintings where objects are in
the paintings that you look at the object and you go,
come on, pretty.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Incredible because it does look just like a modern day UFO.
I mean, what else you would call that. There's not
like you could mistake that for something else in some
of those I mean, it's clearly a UFO. You guys
each have a case or maybe a location or an
incident that sticks in your cra that maybe even keeps
you up.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Oh gosh, for me, it was the Cusco craft. We
were going through the valley. This is an hour or
so from Cusco, and we're looking for a place to
set up and we're going driving down to this long
valley and we looked over and we saw a road
going up the mountain and we thought, okay, let's go
up there to observe tonight. And of course we got
(26:03):
to the road. There was a gate and right beside
the gate was a museum, an Inco museum, and we
went and talked to the guy if he could open
the gate and we could go up the road. And
he said, well, if you pay the admission and come
into my museum, let me give you the talk. Each
pay you know, three admissions, and I'm going to leave
the gate open for you tonight, and then you go
(26:24):
and just close the gate when you leave. So we
did just that. We listened to his talk about the
whole inca culture. It was fabulous.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Then we went up.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
We got set up and we didn't see much and
there was approaching thunderstorms. It wasn't clear night, but there
were approaching thunderstorms, and we thought we better get off
the mountain. We've got all this metal, the car's metal,
the tripods are metal, right, and we were packing up,
so we hadn't already seen anything. And while we were
packing up, Mark got his camera out was just with
(26:54):
his iPhone, was just snapping photos around because sometimes we've
had things appear in the photos and we look after
and the idea is to snap three photos in a row,
then move on snap three so that if something appears,
you can is it still in the next photo or
in the previous photo. So we did that and then
I got the stuff packed up. Mark was still taking
(27:15):
pictures and it looked like he was going to be
doing that for a while, so I hat, well, I'm
just going to sit around and watch him. I'll do
the same because I know this can we can get
stuff up here. So I was snapping photos and I
did eighty of them, and then we you know, quickly
packed up. We went back. We were heading to match
to Pechu the next day. We did that, and when
(27:37):
we went to much Peach, you know that closes up
at five. So we were back in our hotel and
I had nothing to do I'm looking through those eighty pictures.
Picture number two there was a crazy photo and I
the crazy way that it showed up here. I've got
it right here in my favorites and I'm going to
(27:58):
scroll right down to it.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Here.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It is right there. That's what I got in the sky.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Yeah, isn't that wild? Now that's a zoom of it.
Here's the actual picture right here. There's the actual picture. Okay,
see you see it in the corner right there, I say, okay, okay.
And because that picture is so clear. Yet at that
time the iPhone, the nighttime exposures were one quarter of
(28:27):
a second, so guaranteed if you take a photo of
anything at night, it's going to be blurred. That one
is crystal clear. Why because it flashed probably in one
thousands of a second from our dimension into the other dimension.
And so I was excited about that. Now, Mark, you
tell the rest of the story. We went back to
(28:49):
that same spot with Ricardo Gonzalez a year later.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
Yeah, I can say this really quickly because we went
back to that area Cusco and Ricardo said, do you
know where do you know where you are right now?
And we were like, do you know where you were
when you went the first time, and we were like no,
and he said, this is a moon temple. This is
a this is a prolific ink and moon temple. And
they would do a lot of contact work in this area.
(29:17):
They had a and the carving in the stone was
where the moon would hit and the light and this
is where they did their contact work. And we had
no idea that we had no well, and that was
another hundred feet down the road. It was dark, so
we never saw it, but we were kind of led
to that spot and that's where we got that so
(29:40):
called craft. So we were blown away. And then of
course six Door receives a message in his meditation for
Mark and I.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
What was the message?
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh? Oh, which which one? Which message?
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, it was remembering the meditation that there was a
message from Ann to Elf for you and I about
the fact that they were going to allow us to
photograph more and more.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
Yeah, they were giving us permission. This was like a
confirmation moment for them to say to us, we're giving
you permission to to keep moving forward with your work.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Well, that's pretty cool. That feels pretty good. I like it.
All Right, when we come back, we're going to ask
Rob about his experiences with vision without eyes and how
that may tie into the making contact with a non
human intelligence. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
(30:51):
back on Beyond Contact. We speaking with Rob Freeman and
Mark McNabb. This was for you, Rob, So you discovered
and learned and now even train people on how to
have vision without using their eyes while wearing a blindfold.
Tell me how that ties into the UFO contact experience
for you?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So on one of our expeditions to Australia, we were
hanging around with a lady Leoni a Pelt and her
family there come from a long line of experiencers and
she would take us out to different spots and we
would go out and set up the equipment and we
met many people through her and that was great. And
(31:32):
when we got back from that expedition, I think it
was the day after I received a video, a text
video from Leoni. There was nothing said with it, just
a video and I opened it up. It went on
for about a minute or so and it was her
grandkids running around the backyard with masks on, playing hide
and go seek as if they could see, and I thought, well,
(31:54):
they can clearly see. I wrote her right back and
I said, Leoni, is this a joke? Because you know,
she was quite a practical joker also and just a
great fun person to be with, great sense of humor,
lovely gal. I said, is this a joke or is
this real? Because if it's real, I want.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
She wrote right back and said it's real. I've been
teaching my grandkids and they can see blindfolded without their eyes. So,
to make a long story short, we hooked up with
folks that teach this. The one lady only taught it
to kids because they're easy to teach. She did take
a chance she was teaching it to us. We did
(32:33):
get to see a little bit that weekend. We went
back and then started practicing. We didn't know what to
do or how to do it, but we did and
we started coming open with our mindsight at the intuitive
level and then seeing in real time. So I've been
teaching people online for free for many years, and you know,
(32:54):
posting the videos and then you know, for a lot
of people to get past the intuitive level to this
seeing in real time level that is better done in person.
There's something about the transfer of energy at a quantum level.
However it works, it works way better, exponentially better in person.
(33:14):
So we knew that we had to do in person events.
So about two and a half years ago we started
into that, putting events together and taking people right to
the intuitive level where you know, things appear very hazily
and it's maybe not necessarily in real time, to where
their windows start to open. You know, you get dots
of light, you can see colors through them, and they
(33:36):
open bigger, you can see detail through them, You get
more of those opening can look like Swiss cheese, and
eventually folks can have an entire screen of vision if
they keep at it, and eventually you can see three
sixty degrees around you. If you so choose, you can
have things like telescopic vision that I've experienced, and also
(33:59):
macroscopy division where you're looking so close at something like
closer and closer and closer that you could never do
with your realize. So we've been doing seminars. We even
did a seminar last August where we put the two
together and that was a fabulous seminar. UFOs and the
(34:20):
Mind Sight now it was a lot. This year, we're
going back to Mount Shasta August ninth to fifteenth only
for the UFOs and we're setting up, you know, we're
going to have motor homes right up on San Flats
in Mount Shasta where we had a sighting last year
where I saw this crazy light moving around back and
(34:40):
forth and I said to it, if you're not a star,
go up and down vertically, and it did that.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I was bowing. So how do you? Yeah, mindsight though,
for the contact, how does that work?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah? Yeah, I would like to say Rob if I
can't quickly, because I absolutely I have so much respect
for the Rob's done with mindsight. He got into it
eight or nine years ago, right at the beginning of
when we were doing some of the UFO work. And
an initial trigger for Rob, if I may say respectfully, Rob,
was he wanted to open up his psychic mind more.
(35:15):
He wanted to explore that, he wanted to experiment with that,
feeling that it could be like a gateway, you know,
some gateway could be opened that would allow more in
terms of extraterrestrial or UFO contact. And he's been so
diligent with it, and he stayed with and he's trained
his mind, So I think that is part of the
(35:37):
UFO experience. And then I will add that when we
did the event last year, you know, and we had
the combo event, there were many people there that just
loved working with rob and mindsight, but they also were
equally enthusiastic many of them, not everybody, but many were
very enthusiastic about the correlation, the connection between uf and
(36:00):
contact and how is my mind connected? Like am I
seeing unseen worlds like I feel like even with the
blindfold on, they were thinking that, like I'm seeing worlds
like I. And we had so many experiences in addition
to seeing a UFO, So we're excited to go back
this summer. We're excited for August because we want to
(36:22):
go back, but we want to explore the connection between them.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
These are in adjacent arenas. If nothing else between telepathy
and remote viewing, all that sort of seems to kind
of tie in here. I want to ask you this,
are you guys able to detect some phenomenon with your
camera equipment? It seems like you guys have some pretty
high tech gear and that you're able to see things
with that gear that you're not with your naked eye
(36:48):
and no, Rob, I don't mean with a blindfold on.
I'm asking real world. Can you see things with your
equipment that you're missing with your eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yes, many times, a lot of times will I will
go back through the footage with the infrared cameras, with
the full spectrum cameras, with the thermal cameras. There's been
and there's been many things that we have looked back
to the footage and find in those cameras. For example,
out in Lake Ontario, we had this light out in
(37:18):
the middle of the lake that was shining up in
It gradually came on over thirty minutes and then gradually
went out right in the middle of the lake. We
didn't see that with our eyes. That was picked up
in That was picked up in the full spectrum, I believe.
For the time lapse, I can't remember. We've got the
(37:39):
time lapse, the full spectrum, the thermal, the infrared, the zoom,
the wide angle visible, you know, you name it. And
I would say probably two thirds of the time we
capture stuff in the cameras that we didn't see with
our eyes.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Wow, that's really really incredible. So let me ask you
this at the the end of the day, do you
think we're dealing with an extraterrestrial intelligence and interdimensional entity
or is there something else entirely going on here.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Now?
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Yeah, like we can only Robin, I always say, we
can only talk from our own perspective, you know, through
our own through our own experiences. We have experienced so
much it's it's trippy, you know, like you we know
we've had interdimensional experiences, too big of a story to
(38:34):
talk and to say about today, but we've had that,
We've had those interdimensional experiences. We've had those those experiences
that we know are not of this earth and it's
not all just extraterrestrials and UFOs. So our theory is
just to keep expanding as the years go by, because
they seem to like, like we call it the cosmic carrot.
(38:55):
They seem to be putting a carrot in front of
us to kind of keep moving, you know, moving forward,
and we keep learning. So it's expanding round all the time,
you know.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
And I would say yeah, and I would say too.
We learned this from a fellow by the name of
Hans out in California. If you stick your head in
the sea and you see a shark going by, are
you going to say that everything in the ocean or sharks?
I mean, you know, you put your head in another time,
you're gonna see goldfish, another time, swordfish, You're gonna see that.
(39:27):
There's thousands of different species of fish. And I mean
it seems to me in this whole phenomenon, there's a physical,
there's the spiritual, there's the inter dimensional. I mean, there
are so many different aspects and faucets to it. Ron
So I don't think we can peg it as any
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one thing.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, guys, we're out of time. How can people find you?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (39:52):
The best way for us to be found is through
the Facebook channel, like the Facebook page Rob Freeman UFO
World Explorer or encounters. But the Rod free the UFO
World Explorer is wonderful. It's got all of our stories,
videos are our new event that's coming up this summer.
So all information is best served coming off the UFO
(40:14):
World Explorer Facebook page.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
And and if.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
You want to go to Vision without Eyes for the blindfold,
that's Vision without Eyes dot com.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Awesome. Thanks guys, I really really appreciate it. Thanks everybody
for listening. You can find me on Twitter. And Instagram
at CD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out
contact inthedesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as
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