May 4, 2026 • 50 mins
Join Sandra and Author Jessica McKay to discover a simple four-step practice to communicate directly with the afterlife. Learn how to move beyond waiting for signs, bypass the skeptical mind, and cultivate a two-way conversation with those on the other side.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and right now, let's start with Shase of the Afterlife
with Sandra Channaplain.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
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and associates. We would like to encourage you to do
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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
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that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am
super duper excited to share today's episode with you. If
you have ever felt like the only way to connect
with your loved ones was to wait for a random
sign or book an appointment with a medium. Then get
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ready because I think today's episode, well, I know today's
episode is going to be a game changer for you.
Our guest is the beautiful Jessica McKay, who is a
psychic and a spiritual teacher with over fourteen years of
professional experience helping people navigate grief, loss and spiritual awakening.
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She is the co author of When Heaven Touches Earth
with James Van Prague. She's the author of the Wisdom
of a Psychic Cat, and she has a beautiful new
book on the way title Soulmates Never Leave. Today, Jessica
is going to share with us her personal journey of
experiencing great loss, which led her to a method to
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communicate directly with our loved ones on the other side.
She'll show us today that you don't need a gifted
medium to reach your person. You just need to learn
a new language. She's got a four step practice that's simple, easy, direct,
and works. Let's meet Jessica.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So, I always believed in life after death, but I
want to preface this by saying that I am not
a medium. I never felt that I had that ability.
Even though I've given many psychic greetings, they are two
very different skill sets. And the reason that matters is
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because when you don't have a natural mediumshipability, it feels
like when someone you love dies, the best you can
hope for is to find signs of that person. And
signs are wonderful. So you see feathers or pennies on
the ground, or maybe you see a cardinal and you think, oh,
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you know, that's from my mom. She's letting me know
she's still with me. And as wonderful as that is,
I felt like I wanted more than that. And I
know that most people when they've lost someone they can't
even imagine living without. They want more. I wanted to
have a sustained conversation with someone that I had lost,
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and I never thought that I could. And I mean,
I've taken mediumship classes. We can all do that, we
can all expand our ability to sense spirit. But I
still felt like I couldn't really sustain a connection or
have that deep back and forth that I wanted until
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I lost the people who I was closest to in
my life. So in the last five years, I lost
my dad, my mom, and my mentor, who was also
a dear friend and the love of my life. And
it was through his death that I discovered that not
only could I receive signs that he was with me,
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that he still exists, but that he and I could
continue our relationship and actually create new memories together and converse.
And so that's the story that I'm going to tell.
So I started my psychic business in twenty twelve, and
I still do readings, but I also segued more into writing.
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I always believed in life after death, but I hadn't
to yet experience that kind of personal loss. I went
so many years with all the people I loved in
my life, and then suddenly they started leaving my life,
and I had to learn how to deal with that,
because we still are going to feel grief, even if
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we know that death isn't the end. We still have
to go through the loss of their physical body. And
that's a big loss because we're used to being able
to touch that person, to hug them, to speak to
them and hear them speak back to us. And it's
such a loss. And yet when we really learn the
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new language of energy and frequency, we can start hearing them,
we can start seeing them, it's really a miracle. So
my mentor's name was Alan. He was a spiritual teacher
in the Toltec tradition of Miguel Ruis, who wrote the
Four Agreements, and he was very well loved. He had
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students all over the world. And I found him when
I was about twenty eight years old and I was
going through a rough patch. I hated my job, I
had no sense of direction, and I found Alan through
the work of Miguel Ruis. So I ended up moving
from New Jersey to California to work for Alan as
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his assistant because I was so blown away by his
teaching and so impacted by him. He was one of
the most masterful teachers I ever encountered, the way he
would love people and help them to release childhood programming,
and it was just a really he was a beautiful person.
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And so when I moved out there to work for him,
I got closer to him. He took groups on journeys,
spiritual journeys to Mexico and Peru, and I would go
with him, and I ended up falling absolutely head over
heels in love with him, in spite of the fact
that he was much older than me and we became
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a couple. We lived together for about four years, and
then we both knew that our different life stages were
not conducive to staying together forever. So at a certain
point we talked about going our separate ways, and that's
what we did. I eventually moved back to New Jersey
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and I met and married a wonderful man, and Alan
also moved on, but we were close. We talked every
week pretty much until he died, and we would tell
stories about our current partners, and every call we had
we would end the call by saying I love you.
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So even though the form of the relationship had changed,
I never stopped loving him. The love was always there.
And then in the last year of his life, his
health really started to decline. He died in twenty twenty four.
One day he had a stroke, and I knew that
he wasn't going to recover from this, that he was
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going to die. And two weeks before he had his stroke,
I had met a woman named Starlight, and she just
happened to be a medium, And I didn't know she
was a medium until she started channeling messages from Alan
to me while he was still in a coma from
the stroke, so he hadn't even left his body, and
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she was channeling messages to me how it happened. And
how I knew the messages were from him, because we
always have a skeptical the mind always wants to pick
this apart. She was intuitive. But how I knew they
were from him is that he was in a coma
for about seven days before he died, and on one
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of those mornings, I woke up feeling like I was
holding him back. I was afraid that I was a
total pain in the neck for him, because here he
was going through this huge transition from life to death,
like he had a lot going on, and then here
I was energetically sort of tugging on him, wanting to
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know that he was with me grieving, and I was
afraid that I was just too much for him at
that moment. So I thought I got to rein it
in and Starlight messaged me an hour after I thought that,
and she said, your boo and Spirit has a message
for you. She called him my boo and spirit. He's
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saying that you're not a pain in his ass, and
he wants you to know that he's always going to
be with you like you can't get rid of him.
And so I was like, oh, he can hear my thoughts.
He's actually listening and he's right here. That was amazing
to me. But once he passed away, he continued to
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send messages daily through Starlight and they were always in
response to something that I had and thinking, which blew
me away. This went on for quite some time. It
went on for about six months, and then I started
to feel a little envious of her. I thought, you know,
I want to be able to communicate with him directly,
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Like why do I have to have her as the interface.
It annoyed me that I couldn't see him or hear him.
I mean, one time he had to get a message
to me. She's taking a shower. She said, Alan, can
this wait? And he said no, and he just started
telling her things that she had to rush out of
the shower, like I've never experienced anything like this. I
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wanted him to bust in on me in my daily life.
So I started thinking about, Okay, how can he and
I create a language? How can I start talking to
him directly? And I mean I always was, I was
always talking to him in my mind, but I thought,
how can we communicate and I started asking Alan for
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things started giving them to me. No matter what I
asked him for, he would deliver it. And I'm going
to give you a really good example of this. This
was in the middle of my mom's cancer journey. She
had lung cancer and it was stage four. It was bad,
and I knew that she was dying and I needed
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to take her to the oncologist to get the official prognosis,
which I knew was not going to be good. And
I really wanted to be strong for her, but I
didn't think I could. I had a lot of anxiety.
I was afraid that I wasn't going to be able
to be there for her in the way I wanted to.
So I asked Alan. I said, Alan, please show me
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that you are with me. I need you there. Show
me a hummingbird, I said, but I'll ask for a
sign because I don't know what else to do. And
the year prior we had had hummingbirds coming to one
particular tree and I'd never seen them before in New
Jersey the first time, and so I started asking him
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to show me a hummingbird. It was hummingbird season, but
I hadn't yet seen any hummingbirds that year, and so
all morning I'm looking at the tree, praying to Alan
to show me a hummingbird, and there was nothing. And
even as we were pulling out of the driveway to
go get my mom for this appointment, I was looking
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out the window, creaning my neck, looking at the tree,
and there was nothing. We get to my mom's house
and she says to me, you know, I had the
weirdest experience this morning, she said. I was standing in
the closet sort of staring at this bag that I
never use, and suddenly I saw Alan's face in my head,
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and I got the sense that he wanted me to
give you this bag. And the bag has a hummingbird
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
We'll be right back with so much more. You're listening
to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades
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of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with Jessica McKay,
who was sharing her grief of her beloved friend and
mom and dad passing within the past five years. Before
her mom passed, she asked Alan in spirit to give
her a sign a hummingbird. Her mom saw Alan in
her mind and for some reason pulled a bag out
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for Jessica out of her closet.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And the bag has a hummingbird on it. So I
realized that, Okay, now we are communicating. I can ask
for things big and small. I've done this experiment many times.
I've asked him to show me different things. He always
shows them to me. I asked him to visit me
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in a dream. He does. That was one form of communication,
but I wanted to go deeper even than that. I
wanted to have a way to connect not just with him,
but with my mom and dad in spirit and all
of the loved ones that I had lost, and so
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I started doing a daily ritual where I would talk
to them. I started developing little steps to this process,
and as time went by and I practiced, it became
deeper and deeper, and it got to the point where
I could finally hear their voice in my head. It
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took a while, and I was constantly sabotaged by my
skeptical mind. Because I believe that we all have psychic
ability in one way or another. We can cultivate it.
It's something that we can learn and something that we
can practice, but our minds are always going to look
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at what we discover in hindsight and say, you made
that up. That's in your imagination, and so that's something
that I've constantly had to battle, even though I give
psychic readings for a living. It's just the nature of
the mind. And so the practice is really to just
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allow yourself to be open and to let those thoughts
be okay when they come. It's okay if your mind
does that, but just try to put them to the side.
The practice that I do every morning it has four steps,
and the first step is love, and that means you
focus on the love that you feel for the person
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who has departed, and you just remember how much you
love them and imagine that they are with you. When
you focus on that love, you're going to feel it
somewhere in your body. Maybe it's in your heart, maybe
it's in your belly, and that love is like a
bridge to the person you love. If they're not already
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right next to you, they will be in a heartbeat
when you do that. So you focus on that love,
and once you do that, the next step is to confide,
and that means you're going to tell them everything I'll
even pour a cup of coffee from my mom and dad,
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they were big coffee drinkers, and I'll sit with them,
and this is my morning coffee ritual, and I will
sit and I will tell them all the things I'm
excited about, all the things I'm worried about and afraid of.
That's how I confide in them. So even if I know, well,
they probably know this already because they're watching over me,
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I say it all out loud anyway. So I do
this every morning. And then the third step is ask.
So after you've gotten everything off your chest, you're going
to ask for help with any of the things that
you are worried about. And your loved ones can help
you with the mundane, and they can help you with
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huge miracles as well. There are so many miracle stories
that I could tell you because I asked for help
from the other side. You know. There are things like
I asked my mom to get the waiter to come
to our table because I was starting to have anxiety
and the restaurant was chaos and my brother's kids were
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starting to get out of control and he had disappeared
for over And I said, Mom, because I know that
she had that same issue with crowds. When you think
about all the ones you love who are in spirit,
you can think about them in terms of the strengths
and the weaknesses they had, and you know who had
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the same issues that you do, or who has a
particular strength that you could lean on. And sometimes I
get some pushback on this because our loved ones when
they're in the body, sometimes they didn't have the advice
for us. They didn't know how to help us, and
so it's like, what are they going to do for
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me now if they couldn't help me when they were
alive and they had.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nothing to offer.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But what I've come to learn is that when someone
goes to the other side, their whole perspective expands and
they see you in a way that they never could
when they were here, and they have access to resources
that they did when they were in the body. They
are formidable on the other side. They can help you
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with almost anything. So that leads to the fourth step here,
and that is listen. So after I ask for help,
I will then listen to see what responses I'm getting.
Sometimes I'm asking for help with something, but sometimes I'm
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asking questions about them. The afterlife, what do you do
all day? You know, what do you think of this
situation in my life? And so I ask, and then
I listen, and I allow impressions to come, pictures to come,
memories to come. Sometimes they will just drop a memory
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in my head at that moment, and I'll realize, oh,
I see that memory is similar to something I'm going
through now, and they're helping me member that I was
strong then and I can do the same now. So
there's all kinds of ways for you to interpret what
you are perceiving in the moment, And even if it's
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difficult at first, I just would say, stick with it,
even if you only get through the first three steps.
For a very long time, I didn't know to listen.
I was just telling them I was just sort of
downloading things. And then I would ask, maybe for a sign,
but I wasn't yet listening. And then once I realized
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I could ask a very pointed question and then listen,
that opened it up even more. For example, I asked
my father recently, I said, what can I do to
hear you better? What can I do to expand my
ability to get messages from you? And instantly I heard
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eat more bananas, and.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I was like, oh, yeah, So I google it and
it turns out somehow that bananas have properties in them
that increase our psychic ability.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I never knew this.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's something called the pineal gland, and I remember hearing something.
I don't know if it was bananas and something else,
but people believe that this land helps with the psychic ability.
So I just chuckle because I researched that once and yeah,
bananas were on the list. I think turkey and some
other things.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is such good news, Jessica.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's wonderful to get validation like that, because again, the
human mind wants to say, are you crazy? Like eat bananas?
Where did that come from? I must have made it up.
But one thing you'll notice is that when spirit is
talking to you to know how it's them is it?
It comes through so quickly, and it comes through when
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you're not trying too hard. It's almost like if you're
a look looking at a television screen and you're right
up against the screen and you're looking like so close
that it's hard to see what you're actually watching. You
have to relax and sort of create distance and not
be too attached to the question you asked. So, for example,
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I could ask that question what can I do to
increase my psychic ability? And I'm not that attached to it,
like it's an interesting question. I want to know the answer.
But if I'm asking, am I doing the right thing
with my career, and I've got a lot at stake,
it might be harder for me to hear the answer
come through from spirit because I'm so attached and I'm
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worried about myself and i don't know if I'm doing
the right thing and a lot of self doubt. So
start with things that are curiosities for you, things that
are easier to ask, and then as you start to
build your confidence in your ability to hear them, then
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you can start going into the deeper questions you have
about your direction or anything that you really desire to know.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
This is really good news. And I hear so much
in what you're saying, and I think as human beings,
it's really easy to buy into what the mind says.
Even with me and probably with you for all these
years doing what we do, regular life creeps in and
stuff happens. We think, oh, it's just our imagination, but
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that's how they communicate through feelings, memories, emotions, pictures, so
many different things there, and so the practice of picturing
them right with you and feeling that love or that
shared memory, I just see a bridge in my mind,
like that opens the door that's knocking on the door
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even though they're with us and supporting us. But to
really infuse love in it, I think love is a
powerful generator.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Everything is everything. That's why that's the first step is
to get into that space. When I feel the love
for them, I noticed that I totally expand, my energy expands,
my heart opens, and I can feel them much easier.
It's much more profound than if I'm just saying, hey, Mom,
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how you doing, although you can do that too. These
things there are no rules here. But you start to
become less and less skeptical and more and more aware
that coincidences really are not what's going on. The more
that you ask for things and receive them, because before
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you can even hear them. My language with Alan and
with my parents was help me with this problem I
have in my life. And when I would get the
solution quicker than I'd imagined or easier than I imagined,
I would know that it was them. But then I
would second guess it, of course, But then as I
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did it again and again and miraculous things happened, I
was forced to say, they're really here. They are with me,
and they are not tired of me. I'm not bothering them.
That was a big thing. I kept thinking I was
bothering them.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Time for a quick break, and there's so much more
when we get back. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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Sandra Champlain and just to remind her, you are a
divine soul having a human experience. We often think we
need to go to a medium if we want to
hear from our loved ones. And although that's great, they
can validate information about our loved ones and give messages.
As that divine soul, we can tap into the love
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energy and messages from our loved ones. So Jessica just
gave us those four steps. Love, confide in them, ask
them for help, or ask them questions, and listen. Let's
continue before you can even hear them. My language with
Alan and with my parents was help me with this
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problem I have in my life.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And when I would get the solution quicker than I'd
imagined or easier than I imagined, I would know that
it was them, But then I would second guess it,
of course. But then as I did it again and
again and miraculous things happened, I was forced to say,
they're really here there with me, and they are not
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tired of me. I'm not bothering them. That was a
big thing I kept thinking I was bothering them. As
another example of this, my mom when she passed away,
my brother and I inherited her condo which was in
a very distressed building and the building was going to
need extensive repairs, and there were other units in the
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building for sale, but no buyers. No one was even
coming to look at these apartments. So I prayed to
my parents. Because my brother and I couldn't keep paying
the mortgage or the HOA fees, so we really needed
to get out and we needed to do it quickly.
So we listed it and our place was the only
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one getting views, it was the only one getting showings,
and we sold it before we were about to run
out of money to keep paying for it, and so
My prayer was always, please help us to sell this
condo before we run out of money. And it was
like one week before, when we weren't going to have
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another mortgage payment. He and I for the condos. So
it happened, and I remember that as we were emptying
the condo and taking all the furniture out, I found
a quarter on the ground and I just felt like,
this is from Mom and Dad. They're letting me know
that this is going to be okay, because just that
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day we had heard that our first buyer had backed
out because they got so spooked by all the repairs
that needed to be made in the building, so she
backed out, and we were like, oh my god, what
are we going to do. The next day we had
another offer and it was paying cash and it was
by an investor who didn't care about the building condition.
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So that was an example of a big outcome that
we got. And the other apartments, as far as I know,
in that building, they're still languishing on the market. So
it makes a difference when you ask for support from
the other side, and sometimes there's going to be things
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that maybe they can't do because we have our own
path at our own struggles that we go through in life,
and they can't take those away from us. But they
can expedite something if it's going to help us. They
can get the waiter to come to the table, they
can help us achieve something that we want to achieve,
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and so you can actually assemble teams of people on
the other side. When it came to the condo, I
didn't just pray to my parents. I prayed to my uncle,
who was very successful. I prayed to a my grandfather
and a grandmother who were always well off financially, and
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this was like way up the family tree. I did
some research and I never knew them, but I had
their picture and they looked so kind and so warm.
I started talking to them too. So I actually have
this huge altar that I created that has pictures of
everyone who I've loved who's on the other side. Hets, teachers, acquaintances.
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These are people who even if you didn't have a
deep relationship, or if you didn't know each other, they
know you. They remember you. They're just aware of so
much that we aren't.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I would think, Jessica, that our loved ones are absolutely
thrilled if we take on a practice like this because
they see us grieving and we can't stop them with
their griefs. Everybody should just put that away. It is
human to grief. We can't just turn it off. There's
certainly things we can do to help lessen the pain
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and move through grief, but it is a long, long,
long road. And then you know, we watch a commercial
on TV and it can bring it all back. It's
just the nature of grief. But your practice, and I
love this so much. I'm going to share it as
much as I can. It gives us something to do
active during the grieving process and after. I can't tell
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you how many people come to me and say I've
never received a sign from my loved one. And then
I think we're all divine souls having this human experience.
I've interviewed hundreds of people who have had near death experiences,
and our mode of communication is all psychic. It's all
of thoughts and pictures and things, and so we are
those divine souls. It makes sense that we can communicate
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with them they can communicate with us. Now, left to
my own devices, Jessica, this sounds really good, and I
might start talking to my dad and think of a memory.
But then all of a sudden ding, I get a
text message and they call it shiny object syndrome. You
know that I'm onto something else. Would it be a
good practice to have a little journal, Dad, little journal Grammy,
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have the memories, jot them down, do these steps, but
write it down because also when these thoughts come in,
you can write down as if you are that person.
But then it also gives us kind of a log
book when our mind goes, these things really didn't happen.
Oh well, let me just show. Oh there's the hummingbird,
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there's this, all these things. Would that be good to do?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
What? Absolutely? I encourage people to have an evidence journal
because we forget the miracles that happen. We tend to forget.
And so when you do the practice, and I suggest
you do it every day around the same time, you
don't have to. I mean, like I said, there's no rules,
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but if you make even five minutes, I'm not doing
this for an hour straight every day. It's five minutes
or ten minutes. I go and I sit and I
look at their pictures and I do that. But then
if I get something from them, if I hear something,
if I receive what I've asked for. I always write
it down so I can go back and read those
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miracles and especially when I move into self doubt around it.
So yeah, it's a great practice to have a journal.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And we can ask them for specific signs when we're asking,
because it is very comforting. Whether a song comes on
that's a rare song or something, you know, ask when
those little signs come in. But maybe they don't know
what we're looking for. So can we put out there
that somehow, some way, a purple dinosaur comes in my
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path in the next week or I don't know, yes,
better signs.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We do our love ones a favor when we tell
them what to show us, because if it's if we're
just saying, show me a sign that you're with me,
but we're not directing them, it could be anything and
we could miss it. But if we say show me
this very specific thing, then we're going to know when
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we see it when it crosses our path, and you
can believe that your loved one is going to move
heaven and earth to show you that thing that you've
asked for. They are so motivated to show you that
they're still here, and they love when we talk to
them and when we ask for things, and I had
no idea. I always thought, don't they have other things
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to do? Then to bother with me every five minutes,
like I'm a nervous wreck and I'm always asking for
help and i always need support, and so I just
think eek. But then I remember they're unlimited now, so
they're not constrained by time, They're not burdened by anything
(35:04):
that I'm bringing to them. And they also remember what
it's like to be human. They remember what it's like
to worry, to have to pay bills, to have health issues.
So that's why when you ask them for help with
these things, they have compassion and they would want to
help you. So a lot of times I'll say, like
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if I'm getting in the car and going somewhere, I'll say,
show me a fire. I once asked Alan to show
me fire. I think I just wanted to know that
the flame of our relationship was still alive, you know,
even though he was on the other side. Show me
the symbol of fire, and I didn't see it. I
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was on the road nothing, and I thought, oh gee,
maybe I finally have crossed the line. It's just too much,
And that night I fell asleep and I had a
dream that he was standing in front of me with
a lit match and he was coming towards me with it,
and I got angry and I said, don't you touch
me with that. I didn't remember in the dream that
(36:08):
I had asked him to show me that. Now you
give a.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Free download on your website, Jessica McKay dot com. I
downloaded it today and I thought, this is filled with
great information. Could you talk about what's in there?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah? So it's called Beyond Signs, and it has the
practice that I've talked about laid out in just a
few steps, and it gives people examples and ideas of
what they can ask for. It also just goes through
a little bit of information about what our loved ones
(36:44):
are capable of after they released their body, and how
we can receive so much more than signs. Even though
I love signs and songs are a big thing. I
love hearing a song out of the blue and knowing,
oh my god, the lyrics, the lyrics are meant for me.
So the PDF goes through all of those different things.
(37:08):
And we should never feel as people say, have you
moved on yet? There is no moving on? Yes, talk
about that. I'm always hearing we need to move on.
I hear things like you're holding your loved one back
because you're grieving, and they're not able to go on
to what they're supposed to do because they're tethered to
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you because you're grieving. That's not true. You can't hold
them back. They are unlimited, and they understand grief and
they understand that it's necessary. They're never going to shame
you for having grief about the fact that they've dropped
their physical body. They get that it's a loss, so
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we don't have to move on in that we can
continue to have a relationship with these people.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
app after Life on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(38:27):
I'm Sandra Champlaine. Jessica and I were just speaking about
people who say we need to move on with our grief,
let go of our loved one, or that we're blocking
them from progressing in spirit. That is nonsense. We can't
turn off grief. It's painful. We do our best. Our
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loved ones were people on earth once they know how
difficult it is. Here's what Jessica has to say about
moving on.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I'm always hearing we need to move on. I hear
things like you're holding your loved one back because you're grieving,
and they're not able to go on to what they're
supposed to do because they're tethered to you because you're grieving.
That's not true. You can't hold them back. They are unlimited,
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and they understand grief, and they understand that it's necessary.
They're never going to shame you for having grief about
the fact that they've dropped their physical body. They get
that it's a loss. So we don't have to move
on in that we can continue to have a relationship
with these people and create new memories with them. Every
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time you receive a sign from them, that's a new
memory that you've just created together. Every time they send
you a song and you, oh, my gosh, those lyrics
are for me, that's another memory. When they say yes
to a request. I asked my parents to help me
here my wisdom tooth. I had a wisdom tooth that
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needed to be pulled, both of them on each side,
and one tooth just it was a nightmare. Healing. It
took at least a couple of weeks. There was pain
the other tooth. I asked them for support with there
was no pain, nothing. It healed in twenty four hours.
The difference was insane. So that's just another example that
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they want to be there for us, and they can
help us in so many ways that we just don't
even realize or don't think to ask, because we're also
taught that we shouldn't ask for help. We should do
everything by ourselves. We should be strong, we shouldn't grieve.
We need to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, and
(40:49):
it's just conditioning that we've received. None of that is true.
It's traumatic to live on the earth in a body.
It's a big deal that you came here and you're
going through this human life, having this human experience. It
is not easy, no matter who you are, and so
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knowing that you can lean on those that have come
before you to support you is everything. I don't feel
alone anymore, even though my parents. Sometimes I can't believe
that they're gone, and other times I feel as if we.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Just talked because we did well. I'm so happy. If
I was to take a poll of everyone listening right
now and ask people to raise their hand if they're
going to start these practices. I bet you lots of
hands are going up right now.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I want to do this. I want to do this.
This is so exciting and it's such good news. Tell us, Jessica,
what we can find on your website, Jessica McKay dot com,
including the other book projects you have, because I know
you've narrated an audio book. I want to hear about
the book with James and Prague, and then also your
(42:03):
book what was it called? With the cat?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
But that's all I've got the wisdom of a psychic cat. Yeah,
I love that, So tell us about your website what
we can find, and then if you could go through
those books, and then also a little bit about the
book you're writing.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Sure, well, people can book a reading with me. I
don't do as many readings as I used to, but
I do limited readings, and they can also download the
free guide and see the different books that I've written.
I also do occasionally teach group classes for people who
would like to do this practice and expand it and
(42:39):
share the experience together. So that's coming. And two of
the books that I have were really Alan's books. These
are books that he always wanted to write, but that
he never got around to it while he was alive.
So I compiled and edited, I took his teachings, and
(43:00):
I created these two books for him. I felt that
I did it in partnership with him. He was so
part of that process. Every time I sat at the computer,
I would do the practice, I'd focus on the love,
and then it's like it just flowed from there. So
those books Dear Allan, Conversations with a toll Tec Master
(43:22):
and the New Relationship, Reclaiming the Freedom to love without fear.
Alan's passion was relationships. And the book A Psychic Cat
Wisdom of a Psychic Cat. That was the first book
I wrote in twenty eighteen, and it's about my cat.
I just started intuiting what she might say to me
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and what she might have to say, and it goes
into her past lives. It's a fun book. She has
wisdom for the humans because she's clearly way more advanced
than any of us. She talks about staying present, talks about,
you know, not dwelling in the past, not making assumptions.
(44:05):
She's very confident that her life form is the best
life form that there is on the earth. She also
recounts some tales of unfortunate things, like being taken to
the vent. She doesn't like that. She thought the whole
thing was ridiculous. So it's the funny book. It's fun,
but it's fifteen lessons on happiness. So there are many
(44:28):
lessons that were encountered in other lifetimes that I write
about in this book. And after I wrote it, I
started wondering if maybe some of those past lifetimes were
my own that I was recalling and putting into book form.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So it's very sweet. Anyone who's ever had a cat
knows that they are the top of the food chain
and they are royalty in their minds. That's wonderful. And
how about the book with James van Prog.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Back in twenty fifteen, that was a compilation book. There
are a lot of other authors in there. They're about
twenty five beautiful souls who wrote a chapter that talked
about a miracle. And in this chapter that I wrote
in that book, I talked about the miracle of meeting Alan,
(45:14):
because actually the way that I met him was I
had a dream and in the dream, someone shook me
awake and said, if you go to a bookstore right now,
you will meet someone special. And so I went immediately
to a bookstore and I found a man in an
armchair reading a book. And the book he was reading
I just knew I was there for that book. It
(45:35):
was Beyond Fear, a toll tech Guide to Freedom and Joy.
And somehow I ended up narrating that book. Years later,
a dear friend hired me to do it, and I
couldn't believe it. I thought, that's how I got into
this work. And now I'm narrating the book and we
was insane.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
So and still together. You're working on yes, And.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Actually since I wrote to you, I have since changed
the title. It's now called Soulmates Never Leave.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
That's nice too, Yeah, And when do you expect that
to be published?
Speaker 3 (46:09):
That's going to be published. Probably at the end of
this year.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
All right, So this's twenty twenty six. Anybody who is
listening in the future could be in the past, because
you know, there's people listening now. It's the year twenty
forty and people have tuned in and here this episode
and Jessica McKay dot com will still be out there.
So everyone can see all your offerings on your website,
which is wonderful. I'm so for real that we've talked today.
(46:37):
What closing message would you have for our listener or
is there anything else you want to share before we
conclude our time together. Jessica.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, you can really connect with your loved ones. You
can even if you think that you don't have any
kind of intuitive ability, they will never leave your side
and you have the ability to do this. So I
just want everyone to know that this is available to them.
(47:07):
They don't have to feel like they're alone, they don't
have to go to a medium to be connected. They
really can do this.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
This is so very special. Jessica, thank you so much
for being our guest today.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Thank you so much. It's been an honor.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
At the beginning of our time together, Remember I said,
this conversation is a game changer. I don't know about you,
but I have always felt that my loved ones should
give me a sign let me know they're around. Grief
is incredibly painful, so I've done a lot of looking
(47:47):
for evidence, But how much on the court being active
with keeping the relationship alive have I been? And quite honestly,
not that active, So hearing the four steps from Jessica, First,
concentrate on the love and really focus on it. Imagine
(48:09):
your loved ones right by your side, think about shared memories,
that love, that laughter as the bridge to connect. And
then pour out your heart, she calls it, confiding in them,
tell them everything. The relationship is still alive. It helps
to talk out loud because left to our own devices,
(48:31):
our busy mind creeps in. But we can also type it,
we can journal it, ask ask for help on everything,
ask them how they're doing. And then number four is listen,
allow them to respond. Be fully aware that our busy
minds will try to tell us, oh, that's just our imagination,
(48:53):
we're making it up. Well, I can tell you they
communicate through our imagination. Anyone who's taken a course in
mediumship will know that things come into your imagination that
you're not making up and they're not your memories. So
go with it. You know they need practice as much
as you need practice. But if you can imagine them
(49:14):
on the other side all of a sudden realizing you
are reaching out and they can experiment with the ways
to reach back. Love never dies. Your loved ones are
still an active part of your life. They love you, you
will see them again and I can promise you that
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weedotdie dot com. I do believe that you, my friend,
(49:58):
are a divine soul all the powers that we'll have
in the future. In the spirit world, we communicate with thoughts,
but your life matters right now. New experiences, even the
tough times, help us learn things and help us make
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(50:21):
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
(01:05):
that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am
super duper excited to share today's episode with you. If
you have ever felt like the only way to connect
with your loved ones was to wait for a random
sign or book an appointment with a medium. Then get
(01:26):
ready because I think today's episode, well, I know today's
episode is going to be a game changer for you.
Our guest is the beautiful Jessica McKay, who is a
psychic and a spiritual teacher with over fourteen years of
professional experience helping people navigate grief, loss and spiritual awakening.
(01:48):
She is the co author of When Heaven Touches Earth
with James Van Prague. She's the author of the Wisdom
of a Psychic Cat, and she has a beautiful new
book on the way title Soulmates Never Leave. Today, Jessica
is going to share with us her personal journey of
experiencing great loss, which led her to a method to
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communicate directly with our loved ones on the other side.
She'll show us today that you don't need a gifted
medium to reach your person. You just need to learn
a new language. She's got a four step practice that's simple, easy, direct,
and works. Let's meet Jessica.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So, I always believed in life after death, but I
want to preface this by saying that I am not
a medium. I never felt that I had that ability.
Even though I've given many psychic greetings, they are two
very different skill sets. And the reason that matters is
(02:54):
because when you don't have a natural mediumshipability, it feels
like when someone you love dies, the best you can
hope for is to find signs of that person. And
signs are wonderful. So you see feathers or pennies on
the ground, or maybe you see a cardinal and you think, oh,
(03:15):
you know, that's from my mom. She's letting me know
she's still with me. And as wonderful as that is,
I felt like I wanted more than that. And I
know that most people when they've lost someone they can't
even imagine living without. They want more. I wanted to
have a sustained conversation with someone that I had lost,
(03:40):
and I never thought that I could. And I mean,
I've taken mediumship classes. We can all do that, we
can all expand our ability to sense spirit. But I
still felt like I couldn't really sustain a connection or
have that deep back and forth that I wanted until
(04:00):
I lost the people who I was closest to in
my life. So in the last five years, I lost
my dad, my mom, and my mentor, who was also
a dear friend and the love of my life. And
it was through his death that I discovered that not
only could I receive signs that he was with me,
(04:24):
that he still exists, but that he and I could
continue our relationship and actually create new memories together and converse.
And so that's the story that I'm going to tell.
So I started my psychic business in twenty twelve, and
I still do readings, but I also segued more into writing.
(04:47):
I always believed in life after death, but I hadn't
to yet experience that kind of personal loss. I went
so many years with all the people I loved in
my life, and then suddenly they started leaving my life,
and I had to learn how to deal with that,
because we still are going to feel grief, even if
(05:07):
we know that death isn't the end. We still have
to go through the loss of their physical body. And
that's a big loss because we're used to being able
to touch that person, to hug them, to speak to
them and hear them speak back to us. And it's
such a loss. And yet when we really learn the
(05:31):
new language of energy and frequency, we can start hearing them,
we can start seeing them, it's really a miracle. So
my mentor's name was Alan. He was a spiritual teacher
in the Toltec tradition of Miguel Ruis, who wrote the
Four Agreements, and he was very well loved. He had
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students all over the world. And I found him when
I was about twenty eight years old and I was
going through a rough patch. I hated my job, I
had no sense of direction, and I found Alan through
the work of Miguel Ruis. So I ended up moving
from New Jersey to California to work for Alan as
(06:16):
his assistant because I was so blown away by his
teaching and so impacted by him. He was one of
the most masterful teachers I ever encountered, the way he
would love people and help them to release childhood programming,
and it was just a really he was a beautiful person.
(06:38):
And so when I moved out there to work for him,
I got closer to him. He took groups on journeys,
spiritual journeys to Mexico and Peru, and I would go
with him, and I ended up falling absolutely head over
heels in love with him, in spite of the fact
that he was much older than me and we became
(07:00):
a couple. We lived together for about four years, and
then we both knew that our different life stages were
not conducive to staying together forever. So at a certain
point we talked about going our separate ways, and that's
what we did. I eventually moved back to New Jersey
(07:20):
and I met and married a wonderful man, and Alan
also moved on, but we were close. We talked every
week pretty much until he died, and we would tell
stories about our current partners, and every call we had
we would end the call by saying I love you.
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So even though the form of the relationship had changed,
I never stopped loving him. The love was always there.
And then in the last year of his life, his
health really started to decline. He died in twenty twenty four.
One day he had a stroke, and I knew that
he wasn't going to recover from this, that he was
(08:01):
going to die. And two weeks before he had his stroke,
I had met a woman named Starlight, and she just
happened to be a medium, And I didn't know she
was a medium until she started channeling messages from Alan
to me while he was still in a coma from
the stroke, so he hadn't even left his body, and
(08:25):
she was channeling messages to me how it happened. And
how I knew the messages were from him, because we
always have a skeptical the mind always wants to pick
this apart. She was intuitive. But how I knew they
were from him is that he was in a coma
for about seven days before he died, and on one
(08:47):
of those mornings, I woke up feeling like I was
holding him back. I was afraid that I was a
total pain in the neck for him, because here he
was going through this huge transition from life to death,
like he had a lot going on, and then here
I was energetically sort of tugging on him, wanting to
(09:08):
know that he was with me grieving, and I was
afraid that I was just too much for him at
that moment. So I thought I got to rein it
in and Starlight messaged me an hour after I thought that,
and she said, your boo and Spirit has a message
for you. She called him my boo and spirit. He's
(09:29):
saying that you're not a pain in his ass, and
he wants you to know that he's always going to
be with you like you can't get rid of him.
And so I was like, oh, he can hear my thoughts.
He's actually listening and he's right here. That was amazing
to me. But once he passed away, he continued to
(09:52):
send messages daily through Starlight and they were always in
response to something that I had and thinking, which blew
me away. This went on for quite some time. It
went on for about six months, and then I started
to feel a little envious of her. I thought, you know,
I want to be able to communicate with him directly,
(10:15):
Like why do I have to have her as the interface.
It annoyed me that I couldn't see him or hear him.
I mean, one time he had to get a message
to me. She's taking a shower. She said, Alan, can
this wait? And he said no, and he just started
telling her things that she had to rush out of
the shower, like I've never experienced anything like this. I
(10:38):
wanted him to bust in on me in my daily life.
So I started thinking about, Okay, how can he and
I create a language? How can I start talking to
him directly? And I mean I always was, I was
always talking to him in my mind, but I thought,
how can we communicate and I started asking Alan for
(10:58):
things started giving them to me. No matter what I
asked him for, he would deliver it. And I'm going
to give you a really good example of this. This
was in the middle of my mom's cancer journey. She
had lung cancer and it was stage four. It was bad,
and I knew that she was dying and I needed
(11:20):
to take her to the oncologist to get the official prognosis,
which I knew was not going to be good. And
I really wanted to be strong for her, but I
didn't think I could. I had a lot of anxiety.
I was afraid that I wasn't going to be able
to be there for her in the way I wanted to.
So I asked Alan. I said, Alan, please show me
(11:43):
that you are with me. I need you there. Show
me a hummingbird, I said, but I'll ask for a
sign because I don't know what else to do. And
the year prior we had had hummingbirds coming to one
particular tree and I'd never seen them before in New
Jersey the first time, and so I started asking him
(12:04):
to show me a hummingbird. It was hummingbird season, but
I hadn't yet seen any hummingbirds that year, and so
all morning I'm looking at the tree, praying to Alan
to show me a hummingbird, and there was nothing. And
even as we were pulling out of the driveway to
go get my mom for this appointment, I was looking
(12:25):
out the window, creaning my neck, looking at the tree,
and there was nothing. We get to my mom's house
and she says to me, you know, I had the
weirdest experience this morning, she said. I was standing in
the closet sort of staring at this bag that I
never use, and suddenly I saw Alan's face in my head,
(12:50):
and I got the sense that he wanted me to
give you this bag. And the bag has a hummingbird
on it.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
We'll be right back with so much more. You're listening
to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades
(13:31):
of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with Jessica McKay,
who was sharing her grief of her beloved friend and
mom and dad passing within the past five years. Before
her mom passed, she asked Alan in spirit to give
her a sign a hummingbird. Her mom saw Alan in
her mind and for some reason pulled a bag out
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for Jessica out of her closet.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And the bag has a hummingbird on it. So I
realized that, Okay, now we are communicating. I can ask
for things big and small. I've done this experiment many times.
I've asked him to show me different things. He always
shows them to me. I asked him to visit me
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in a dream. He does. That was one form of communication,
but I wanted to go deeper even than that. I
wanted to have a way to connect not just with him,
but with my mom and dad in spirit and all
of the loved ones that I had lost, and so
(14:38):
I started doing a daily ritual where I would talk
to them. I started developing little steps to this process,
and as time went by and I practiced, it became
deeper and deeper, and it got to the point where
I could finally hear their voice in my head. It
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took a while, and I was constantly sabotaged by my
skeptical mind. Because I believe that we all have psychic
ability in one way or another. We can cultivate it.
It's something that we can learn and something that we
can practice, but our minds are always going to look
(15:22):
at what we discover in hindsight and say, you made
that up. That's in your imagination, and so that's something
that I've constantly had to battle, even though I give
psychic readings for a living. It's just the nature of
the mind. And so the practice is really to just
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allow yourself to be open and to let those thoughts
be okay when they come. It's okay if your mind
does that, but just try to put them to the side.
The practice that I do every morning it has four steps,
and the first step is love, and that means you
focus on the love that you feel for the person
(16:05):
who has departed, and you just remember how much you
love them and imagine that they are with you. When
you focus on that love, you're going to feel it
somewhere in your body. Maybe it's in your heart, maybe
it's in your belly, and that love is like a
bridge to the person you love. If they're not already
(16:29):
right next to you, they will be in a heartbeat
when you do that. So you focus on that love,
and once you do that, the next step is to confide,
and that means you're going to tell them everything I'll
even pour a cup of coffee from my mom and dad,
(16:49):
they were big coffee drinkers, and I'll sit with them,
and this is my morning coffee ritual, and I will
sit and I will tell them all the things I'm
excited about, all the things I'm worried about and afraid of.
That's how I confide in them. So even if I know, well,
they probably know this already because they're watching over me,
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I say it all out loud anyway. So I do
this every morning. And then the third step is ask.
So after you've gotten everything off your chest, you're going
to ask for help with any of the things that
you are worried about. And your loved ones can help
you with the mundane, and they can help you with
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huge miracles as well. There are so many miracle stories
that I could tell you because I asked for help
from the other side. You know. There are things like
I asked my mom to get the waiter to come
to our table because I was starting to have anxiety
and the restaurant was chaos and my brother's kids were
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starting to get out of control and he had disappeared
for over And I said, Mom, because I know that
she had that same issue with crowds. When you think
about all the ones you love who are in spirit,
you can think about them in terms of the strengths
and the weaknesses they had, and you know who had
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the same issues that you do, or who has a
particular strength that you could lean on. And sometimes I
get some pushback on this because our loved ones when
they're in the body, sometimes they didn't have the advice
for us. They didn't know how to help us, and
so it's like, what are they going to do for
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me now if they couldn't help me when they were
alive and they had.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Nothing to offer.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But what I've come to learn is that when someone
goes to the other side, their whole perspective expands and
they see you in a way that they never could
when they were here, and they have access to resources
that they did when they were in the body. They
are formidable on the other side. They can help you
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with almost anything. So that leads to the fourth step here,
and that is listen. So after I ask for help,
I will then listen to see what responses I'm getting.
Sometimes I'm asking for help with something, but sometimes I'm
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asking questions about them. The afterlife, what do you do
all day? You know, what do you think of this
situation in my life? And so I ask, and then
I listen, and I allow impressions to come, pictures to come,
memories to come. Sometimes they will just drop a memory
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in my head at that moment, and I'll realize, oh,
I see that memory is similar to something I'm going
through now, and they're helping me member that I was
strong then and I can do the same now. So
there's all kinds of ways for you to interpret what
you are perceiving in the moment, And even if it's
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difficult at first, I just would say, stick with it,
even if you only get through the first three steps.
For a very long time, I didn't know to listen.
I was just telling them I was just sort of
downloading things. And then I would ask, maybe for a sign,
but I wasn't yet listening. And then once I realized
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I could ask a very pointed question and then listen,
that opened it up even more. For example, I asked
my father recently, I said, what can I do to
hear you better? What can I do to expand my
ability to get messages from you? And instantly I heard
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eat more bananas, and.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I was like, oh, yeah, So I google it and
it turns out somehow that bananas have properties in them
that increase our psychic ability.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I never knew this.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's something called the pineal gland, and I remember hearing something.
I don't know if it was bananas and something else,
but people believe that this land helps with the psychic ability.
So I just chuckle because I researched that once and yeah,
bananas were on the list. I think turkey and some
other things.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This is such good news, Jessica.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
It's wonderful to get validation like that, because again, the
human mind wants to say, are you crazy? Like eat bananas?
Where did that come from? I must have made it up.
But one thing you'll notice is that when spirit is
talking to you to know how it's them is it?
It comes through so quickly, and it comes through when
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you're not trying too hard. It's almost like if you're
a look looking at a television screen and you're right
up against the screen and you're looking like so close
that it's hard to see what you're actually watching. You
have to relax and sort of create distance and not
be too attached to the question you asked. So, for example,
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I could ask that question what can I do to
increase my psychic ability? And I'm not that attached to it,
like it's an interesting question. I want to know the answer.
But if I'm asking, am I doing the right thing
with my career, and I've got a lot at stake,
it might be harder for me to hear the answer
come through from spirit because I'm so attached and I'm
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worried about myself and i don't know if I'm doing
the right thing and a lot of self doubt. So
start with things that are curiosities for you, things that
are easier to ask, and then as you start to
build your confidence in your ability to hear them, then
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you can start going into the deeper questions you have
about your direction or anything that you really desire to know.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
This is really good news. And I hear so much
in what you're saying, and I think as human beings,
it's really easy to buy into what the mind says.
Even with me and probably with you for all these
years doing what we do, regular life creeps in and
stuff happens. We think, oh, it's just our imagination, but
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that's how they communicate through feelings, memories, emotions, pictures, so
many different things there, and so the practice of picturing
them right with you and feeling that love or that
shared memory, I just see a bridge in my mind,
like that opens the door that's knocking on the door
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even though they're with us and supporting us. But to
really infuse love in it, I think love is a
powerful generator.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Everything is everything. That's why that's the first step is
to get into that space. When I feel the love
for them, I noticed that I totally expand, my energy expands,
my heart opens, and I can feel them much easier.
It's much more profound than if I'm just saying, hey, Mom,
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how you doing, although you can do that too. These
things there are no rules here. But you start to
become less and less skeptical and more and more aware
that coincidences really are not what's going on. The more
that you ask for things and receive them, because before
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you can even hear them. My language with Alan and
with my parents was help me with this problem I
have in my life. And when I would get the
solution quicker than I'd imagined or easier than I imagined,
I would know that it was them. But then I
would second guess it, of course, But then as I
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did it again and again and miraculous things happened, I
was forced to say, they're really here. They are with me,
and they are not tired of me. I'm not bothering them.
That was a big thing. I kept thinking I was
bothering them.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Time for a quick break, and there's so much more
when we get back. You're listening to Shades of the
Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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Sandra Champlain and just to remind her, you are a
divine soul having a human experience. We often think we
need to go to a medium if we want to
hear from our loved ones. And although that's great, they
can validate information about our loved ones and give messages.
As that divine soul, we can tap into the love
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energy and messages from our loved ones. So Jessica just
gave us those four steps. Love, confide in them, ask
them for help, or ask them questions, and listen. Let's
continue before you can even hear them. My language with
Alan and with my parents was help me with this
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problem I have in my life.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And when I would get the solution quicker than I'd
imagined or easier than I imagined, I would know that
it was them, But then I would second guess it,
of course. But then as I did it again and
again and miraculous things happened, I was forced to say,
they're really here there with me, and they are not
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tired of me. I'm not bothering them. That was a
big thing I kept thinking I was bothering them. As
another example of this, my mom when she passed away,
my brother and I inherited her condo which was in
a very distressed building and the building was going to
need extensive repairs, and there were other units in the
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building for sale, but no buyers. No one was even
coming to look at these apartments. So I prayed to
my parents. Because my brother and I couldn't keep paying
the mortgage or the HOA fees, so we really needed
to get out and we needed to do it quickly.
So we listed it and our place was the only
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one getting views, it was the only one getting showings,
and we sold it before we were about to run
out of money to keep paying for it, and so
My prayer was always, please help us to sell this
condo before we run out of money. And it was
like one week before, when we weren't going to have
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another mortgage payment. He and I for the condos. So
it happened, and I remember that as we were emptying
the condo and taking all the furniture out, I found
a quarter on the ground and I just felt like,
this is from Mom and Dad. They're letting me know
that this is going to be okay, because just that
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day we had heard that our first buyer had backed
out because they got so spooked by all the repairs
that needed to be made in the building, so she
backed out, and we were like, oh my god, what
are we going to do. The next day we had
another offer and it was paying cash and it was
by an investor who didn't care about the building condition.
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So that was an example of a big outcome that
we got. And the other apartments, as far as I know,
in that building, they're still languishing on the market. So
it makes a difference when you ask for support from
the other side, and sometimes there's going to be things
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that maybe they can't do because we have our own
path at our own struggles that we go through in life,
and they can't take those away from us. But they
can expedite something if it's going to help us. They
can get the waiter to come to the table, they
can help us achieve something that we want to achieve,
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and so you can actually assemble teams of people on
the other side. When it came to the condo, I
didn't just pray to my parents. I prayed to my uncle,
who was very successful. I prayed to a my grandfather
and a grandmother who were always well off financially, and
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this was like way up the family tree. I did
some research and I never knew them, but I had
their picture and they looked so kind and so warm.
I started talking to them too. So I actually have
this huge altar that I created that has pictures of
everyone who I've loved who's on the other side. Hets, teachers, acquaintances.
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These are people who even if you didn't have a
deep relationship, or if you didn't know each other, they
know you. They remember you. They're just aware of so
much that we aren't.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I would think, Jessica, that our loved ones are absolutely
thrilled if we take on a practice like this because
they see us grieving and we can't stop them with
their griefs. Everybody should just put that away. It is
human to grief. We can't just turn it off. There's
certainly things we can do to help lessen the pain
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and move through grief, but it is a long, long,
long road. And then you know, we watch a commercial
on TV and it can bring it all back. It's
just the nature of grief. But your practice, and I
love this so much. I'm going to share it as
much as I can. It gives us something to do
active during the grieving process and after. I can't tell
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you how many people come to me and say I've
never received a sign from my loved one. And then
I think we're all divine souls having this human experience.
I've interviewed hundreds of people who have had near death experiences,
and our mode of communication is all psychic. It's all
of thoughts and pictures and things, and so we are
those divine souls. It makes sense that we can communicate
(31:51):
with them they can communicate with us. Now, left to
my own devices, Jessica, this sounds really good, and I
might start talking to my dad and think of a memory.
But then all of a sudden ding, I get a
text message and they call it shiny object syndrome. You
know that I'm onto something else. Would it be a
good practice to have a little journal, Dad, little journal Grammy,
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have the memories, jot them down, do these steps, but
write it down because also when these thoughts come in,
you can write down as if you are that person.
But then it also gives us kind of a log
book when our mind goes, these things really didn't happen.
Oh well, let me just show. Oh there's the hummingbird,
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there's this, all these things. Would that be good to do?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
What? Absolutely? I encourage people to have an evidence journal
because we forget the miracles that happen. We tend to forget.
And so when you do the practice, and I suggest
you do it every day around the same time, you
don't have to. I mean, like I said, there's no rules,
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but if you make even five minutes, I'm not doing
this for an hour straight every day. It's five minutes
or ten minutes. I go and I sit and I
look at their pictures and I do that. But then
if I get something from them, if I hear something,
if I receive what I've asked for. I always write
it down so I can go back and read those
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miracles and especially when I move into self doubt around it.
So yeah, it's a great practice to have a journal.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And we can ask them for specific signs when we're asking,
because it is very comforting. Whether a song comes on
that's a rare song or something, you know, ask when
those little signs come in. But maybe they don't know
what we're looking for. So can we put out there
that somehow, some way, a purple dinosaur comes in my
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path in the next week or I don't know, yes,
better signs.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
We do our love ones a favor when we tell
them what to show us, because if it's if we're
just saying, show me a sign that you're with me,
but we're not directing them, it could be anything and
we could miss it. But if we say show me
this very specific thing, then we're going to know when
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we see it when it crosses our path, and you
can believe that your loved one is going to move
heaven and earth to show you that thing that you've
asked for. They are so motivated to show you that
they're still here, and they love when we talk to
them and when we ask for things, and I had
no idea. I always thought, don't they have other things
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to do? Then to bother with me every five minutes,
like I'm a nervous wreck and I'm always asking for
help and i always need support, and so I just
think eek. But then I remember they're unlimited now, so
they're not constrained by time, They're not burdened by anything
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that I'm bringing to them. And they also remember what
it's like to be human. They remember what it's like
to worry, to have to pay bills, to have health issues.
So that's why when you ask them for help with
these things, they have compassion and they would want to
help you. So a lot of times I'll say, like
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if I'm getting in the car and going somewhere, I'll say,
show me a fire. I once asked Alan to show
me fire. I think I just wanted to know that
the flame of our relationship was still alive, you know,
even though he was on the other side. Show me
the symbol of fire, and I didn't see it. I
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was on the road nothing, and I thought, oh gee,
maybe I finally have crossed the line. It's just too much,
And that night I fell asleep and I had a
dream that he was standing in front of me with
a lit match and he was coming towards me with it,
and I got angry and I said, don't you touch
me with that. I didn't remember in the dream that
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I had asked him to show me that. Now you
give a.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Free download on your website, Jessica McKay dot com. I
downloaded it today and I thought, this is filled with
great information. Could you talk about what's in there?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah? So it's called Beyond Signs, and it has the
practice that I've talked about laid out in just a
few steps, and it gives people examples and ideas of
what they can ask for. It also just goes through
a little bit of information about what our loved ones
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are capable of after they released their body, and how
we can receive so much more than signs. Even though
I love signs and songs are a big thing. I
love hearing a song out of the blue and knowing,
oh my god, the lyrics, the lyrics are meant for me.
So the PDF goes through all of those different things.
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And we should never feel as people say, have you
moved on yet? There is no moving on? Yes, talk
about that. I'm always hearing we need to move on.
I hear things like you're holding your loved one back
because you're grieving, and they're not able to go on
to what they're supposed to do because they're tethered to
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you because you're grieving. That's not true. You can't hold
them back. They are unlimited, and they understand grief and
they understand that it's necessary. They're never going to shame
you for having grief about the fact that they've dropped
their physical body. They get that it's a loss, so
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we don't have to move on in that we can
continue to have a relationship with these people.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
app after Life on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(38:27):
I'm Sandra Champlaine. Jessica and I were just speaking about
people who say we need to move on with our grief,
let go of our loved one, or that we're blocking
them from progressing in spirit. That is nonsense. We can't
turn off grief. It's painful. We do our best. Our
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loved ones were people on earth once they know how
difficult it is. Here's what Jessica has to say about
moving on.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I'm always hearing we need to move on. I hear
things like you're holding your loved one back because you're grieving,
and they're not able to go on to what they're
supposed to do because they're tethered to you because you're grieving.
That's not true. You can't hold them back. They are unlimited,
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and they understand grief, and they understand that it's necessary.
They're never going to shame you for having grief about
the fact that they've dropped their physical body. They get
that it's a loss. So we don't have to move
on in that we can continue to have a relationship
with these people and create new memories with them. Every
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time you receive a sign from them, that's a new
memory that you've just created together. Every time they send
you a song and you, oh, my gosh, those lyrics
are for me, that's another memory. When they say yes
to a request. I asked my parents to help me
here my wisdom tooth. I had a wisdom tooth that
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needed to be pulled, both of them on each side,
and one tooth just it was a nightmare. Healing. It
took at least a couple of weeks. There was pain
the other tooth. I asked them for support with there
was no pain, nothing. It healed in twenty four hours.
The difference was insane. So that's just another example that
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they want to be there for us, and they can
help us in so many ways that we just don't
even realize or don't think to ask, because we're also
taught that we shouldn't ask for help. We should do
everything by ourselves. We should be strong, we shouldn't grieve.
We need to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, and
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it's just conditioning that we've received. None of that is true.
It's traumatic to live on the earth in a body.
It's a big deal that you came here and you're
going through this human life, having this human experience. It
is not easy, no matter who you are, and so
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knowing that you can lean on those that have come
before you to support you is everything. I don't feel
alone anymore, even though my parents. Sometimes I can't believe
that they're gone, and other times I feel as if we.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Just talked because we did well. I'm so happy. If
I was to take a poll of everyone listening right
now and ask people to raise their hand if they're
going to start these practices. I bet you lots of
hands are going up right now.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I want to do this. I want to do this.
This is so exciting and it's such good news. Tell us, Jessica,
what we can find on your website, Jessica McKay dot com,
including the other book projects you have, because I know
you've narrated an audio book. I want to hear about
the book with James and Prague, and then also your
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book what was it called? With the cat?
Speaker 5 (42:05):
But that's all I've got the wisdom of a psychic cat. Yeah,
I love that, So tell us about your website what
we can find, and then if you could go through
those books, and then also a little bit about the
book you're writing.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Sure, well, people can book a reading with me. I
don't do as many readings as I used to, but
I do limited readings, and they can also download the
free guide and see the different books that I've written.
I also do occasionally teach group classes for people who
would like to do this practice and expand it and
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share the experience together. So that's coming. And two of
the books that I have were really Alan's books. These
are books that he always wanted to write, but that
he never got around to it while he was alive.
So I compiled and edited, I took his teachings, and
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I created these two books for him. I felt that
I did it in partnership with him. He was so
part of that process. Every time I sat at the computer,
I would do the practice, I'd focus on the love,
and then it's like it just flowed from there. So
those books Dear Allan, Conversations with a toll Tec Master
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and the New Relationship, Reclaiming the Freedom to love without fear.
Alan's passion was relationships. And the book A Psychic Cat
Wisdom of a Psychic Cat. That was the first book
I wrote in twenty eighteen, and it's about my cat.
I just started intuiting what she might say to me
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and what she might have to say, and it goes
into her past lives. It's a fun book. She has
wisdom for the humans because she's clearly way more advanced
than any of us. She talks about staying present, talks about,
you know, not dwelling in the past, not making assumptions.
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She's very confident that her life form is the best
life form that there is on the earth. She also
recounts some tales of unfortunate things, like being taken to
the vent. She doesn't like that. She thought the whole
thing was ridiculous. So it's the funny book. It's fun,
but it's fifteen lessons on happiness. So there are many
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lessons that were encountered in other lifetimes that I write
about in this book. And after I wrote it, I
started wondering if maybe some of those past lifetimes were
my own that I was recalling and putting into book form.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So it's very sweet. Anyone who's ever had a cat
knows that they are the top of the food chain
and they are royalty in their minds. That's wonderful. And
how about the book with James van Prog.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Back in twenty fifteen, that was a compilation book. There
are a lot of other authors in there. They're about
twenty five beautiful souls who wrote a chapter that talked
about a miracle. And in this chapter that I wrote
in that book, I talked about the miracle of meeting Alan,
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because actually the way that I met him was I
had a dream and in the dream, someone shook me
awake and said, if you go to a bookstore right now,
you will meet someone special. And so I went immediately
to a bookstore and I found a man in an
armchair reading a book. And the book he was reading
I just knew I was there for that book. It
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was Beyond Fear, a toll tech Guide to Freedom and Joy.
And somehow I ended up narrating that book. Years later,
a dear friend hired me to do it, and I
couldn't believe it. I thought, that's how I got into
this work. And now I'm narrating the book and we
was insane.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
So and still together. You're working on yes, And.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Actually since I wrote to you, I have since changed
the title. It's now called Soulmates Never Leave.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
That's nice too, Yeah, And when do you expect that
to be published?
Speaker 3 (46:09):
That's going to be published. Probably at the end of
this year.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
All right, So this's twenty twenty six. Anybody who is
listening in the future could be in the past, because
you know, there's people listening now. It's the year twenty
forty and people have tuned in and here this episode
and Jessica McKay dot com will still be out there.
So everyone can see all your offerings on your website,
which is wonderful. I'm so for real that we've talked today.
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What closing message would you have for our listener or
is there anything else you want to share before we
conclude our time together. Jessica.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, you can really connect with your loved ones. You
can even if you think that you don't have any
kind of intuitive ability, they will never leave your side
and you have the ability to do this. So I
just want everyone to know that this is available to them.
(47:07):
They don't have to feel like they're alone, they don't
have to go to a medium to be connected. They
really can do this.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
This is so very special. Jessica, thank you so much
for being our guest today.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
Thank you so much. It's been an honor.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
At the beginning of our time together, Remember I said,
this conversation is a game changer. I don't know about you,
but I have always felt that my loved ones should
give me a sign let me know they're around. Grief
is incredibly painful, so I've done a lot of looking
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for evidence, But how much on the court being active
with keeping the relationship alive have I been? And quite honestly,
not that active, So hearing the four steps from Jessica, First,
concentrate on the love and really focus on it. Imagine
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your loved ones right by your side, think about shared memories,
that love, that laughter as the bridge to connect. And
then pour out your heart, she calls it, confiding in them,
tell them everything. The relationship is still alive. It helps
to talk out loud because left to our own devices,
(48:31):
our busy mind creeps in. But we can also type it,
we can journal it, ask ask for help on everything,
ask them how they're doing. And then number four is listen,
allow them to respond. Be fully aware that our busy
minds will try to tell us, oh, that's just our imagination,
(48:53):
we're making it up. Well, I can tell you they
communicate through our imagination. Anyone who's taken a course in
mediumship will know that things come into your imagination that
you're not making up and they're not your memories. So
go with it. You know they need practice as much
as you need practice. But if you can imagine them
(49:14):
on the other side all of a sudden realizing you
are reaching out and they can experiment with the ways
to reach back. Love never dies. Your loved ones are
still an active part of your life. They love you, you
will see them again and I can promise you that
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Sander Champlain. I feel like I'm your tour guide for
all things afterlife. Don't forget to come visit me at
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are a divine soul all the powers that we'll have
in the future. In the spirit world, we communicate with thoughts,
but your life matters right now. New experiences, even the
tough times, help us learn things and help us make
a difference with others. Thank you so much for listening
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