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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Strange Actually with Joshua Warren. I am Joshua B.
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and a lot more. On this edition of the show.
Update Robert the Doll sixteen years later. And if you're
not all into Robert the Dall that's not your cup
of tea, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't plan to talk the whole.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Show just about that. But this will be kind of
a special edition. And here's why. I recently did an
episode about my investigation, my original investigation of Robert the
dall in twenty ten down in Key West, Florida. Well
that was sixteen years ago, and I read to you
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the booklet that I wrote about my experience is right
after I had them, and that book was called Don't
Play with Robert, the World's Most Haunted Doll. But now,
sixteen years later, new things have come to light.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I have learned a lot of new stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Other researchers have learned some new stuff, And I thought,
you know what, I usually try to do a very
structured podcast where I kind of sit down and I
kind of have an idea of where I want to go,
and I've got pointers laid out, and I've done some
show prep. But I figure, maybe this might be a
nice time for me and maybe for you to just
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kind of kick back a little bit and reflect on
what I've learned and maybe just ramble on a little
bit here and there. But I mean, because there are
some pretty remarkable new things that I have to tell
you about and just kind of maybe go a little
scream of consciousness and talk a bit about the behind
the scenes. It's kind of like the after party. It's
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like the DVD extras. It's like seeing the cast and
crew of the movie sit on stage afterward and do
a cue and as it's something like the where are
they now?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Segment?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
The follow up in a way to what I read
that I wrote sixteen years ago, how do I feel
about that situation and haunted dolls in general? And so
if you don't know, if you did not listen already
to the episode that I did about Robert the Doll,
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then you should probably go back and listen to that
before you listen to this, so you'll have things in
proper context. You know, there is one thing I'll tell
you right off the bat, and this may or may
not be of interest, but there's whenever you get involved
in the pair normal, if you get wrapped up into
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something that's really paranormal, then usually there are incredible synchronicities
that start to appear. And like one of the first
synchronicities that I realized when I started doing this research
is that the man Robert Eugene Auto, who owned Robert
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the Doll, Okay, the little kid who was obsessed with
Robert the Doll, who kept him all throughout his life
until he died as an old man that man, Robert
Eugene Auto. He was born on October twenty fifth of
nineteen hundred. Well, October twenty fifth is my birthday, and
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I didn't know that until I started investigating all this.
That was one of the first things that stood out
to me. But this is something, especially if you're kind
of technically minded, you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Might find interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
When I decided that I would sit down in front
of this microphone and read my short book to you
called Don't Play with Robert, the World's Most Haunted Doll,
I had no idea how it was going to time
out in terms of the show, because I have these
strict timing parameters that are set in place for me
by iHeart, that I have to use in order to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Do this show.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So I got to have only a certain amount of
time to squeeze in a certain amount of information. And
it's really no different than back in the old days
of live radio. And what I found was that, Okay,
I was just going to read the booklet and then
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afterward I would just kind of chop it up and
drop it into place and just see how it timed out.
I wasn't sure if it was going to be like
a to be continued and have to go into a
part too.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I recorded the whole thing in one fell swoop,
and then I started doing the show where I would
take the portions that I was reading and I would
insert them into the show. And let me tell you what,
it timed out absolutely perfectly, right down to the second.
It fit like a glove. It was almost like that
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I had written it as a script, as a timed
script to fit into the framework that I use for
this show. And again, if you don't know exactly how
I put the show together, or you don't have experience
with that, you may not.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Realize how astounding that is.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
But to me, I was just like, no way, no way,
this is going to time out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And it did. So that's why I always give you advice.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You know, if you were going to start really looking
into paranormal phenomena, whether it's I don't care what it is,
really it's all related ghosts, UFOs, scripted's psychic phenomena. If
you're trying to contact somebody on the other side in
the spirit realm, always pay attention to those synchronicities that
will guide you and kind of let you know whether
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or not you're on the right track. Before I tell
you some of the new information that's come out about
Robert the Doll, I also want to tell you that
when I wrote that booklet, I ticked off a lot
of people in Key West, and I was shocked by that.
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I went down there to Key West, and Okay, well,
for one thing, when I was there, I actually offered
to purchase Robert the Doll. And I don't think that
they liked that, because one weird thing about this doll
is that it seems like anybody who comes within too
close within that doll circle to close gradually starts to
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develop an unhealthy obsession with the doll and becomes very
sensitive about him, very protective of him. This is an
attribute of many possessed possessions, and so you've got to
sort of walk on eggshells times if you find that
somebody or some group of people have become a little
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illogically attached to one of these objects. And so when
I wrote my booklets, I went down there not knowing
what to expect. Okay, I was down there to do
this report for Coast to Coast AM series of reports,
and also my own show at the time, which was
called Speaking of Strange, part of the same company there.
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Speaking of Strange was broadcast in the southeast alone, though
it wasn't national coast to coast am everywhere. But I
didn't know what I was going to experience, and so
when I came back, I thought, you know what, this
was interesting enough, I need to write a booklet about it.
And I also was struck by the fact that when
I was down there at the gift shop in Key West,
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they didn't have any kind of a book or a
booklet about Robert the Dall. And I felt that that
was you know, that would be a great thing to have.
How many people would like to know more about, you know,
the story and all that. So I took it upon
myself to write this booklet, and as soon as I
finished it, I sent a copy down to the folks
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I don't want to use any names, but down to
the people who were in charge of Robert the Dall
at that time. I don't know if those same people
are in charge or not.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I do.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Know the staff has changed. I sent it down there
and said, hey, would you be interested in carrying this
in your gift shop? And I got this email back
and I just looked it up today, and after I
sent it, the person who was in charge at that
time said, they said, quote, we could never approve this distribution.
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You never told us that you planned to publish a booklet,
and we understood that the interviews and information you gathered
were for your radio show. Please do not print or
distribute this booklet.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I wasn't expecting that, and so I wrote back and
I said, well, I'm very sorry to hear that it
hasn't been printed or published in anyway. Can you please
can I work with you to get you know, feedback, proofreading,
fact checking, you know whatever, so that it meets your standards.
They never got back with me after that. It was
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the cold Shoulder, and so it seemed like, you know,
I had been blackballed from the Robert the Doll community
down there in Key West just because I wrote that book.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Again, none of those same.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
People who were there at that time in charge of
the Doll are still in charge as far as I know. So,
you know, the last time I went back to visit
Robert the Doll was two years later. It was in
twenty twelve, and I walked in and everybody was very nice,
and I was with my wife Lauren, and my sister
Jessica and our friend Eric, and we had a really
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good time. We didn't have any problem whatsoever. So I
think all is good now. But the fact of the
matter is, as I mentioned, three years after I published
my booklet.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
David L.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Sloan he wrote the authoritative booklet called Robert the Doll.
I think it's called a Biography of the Haunted Doll
or something like that. I don't have it right in
front of me. I'll look it up and I'll let
you know. I talked about it before he wrote the
authoritative book, and let's see Robert the Doll Sloan And
(11:36):
in his book now he okay, yeah, Robert the Doll,
The True Biography of Key West Haunted Doll. David Sloan.
He's a great researcher. He lives in Florida. I think
he lives in Key West, or at least he did then.
And when he wrote this book, he dug up some
very interesting historical facts about this doll that I don't
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think anybody had ever discovered it and certainly published before.
When we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell
you about that really interesting well, you know, how it goes.
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Bet me into your wormhole Brain from my studio in
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and every night of silver. O zoom.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And when I was reading.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
My book in a previous podcast, Don't Play With Robert
the World's Most Haunted Doll, I had Well, I read
to you that I met a man when I was
in Key West who told me that he had once
written an article in the paper about Robert the Doll
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back in the day, and that he got a call
from a screenwriter in Hollywood asking questions, and that writer
later went on to write the movie Child's Play starring
the Sinister Little Doll Chucky. Well and David L. Sloane's
book Don't Play With Actually, his his book is just
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called just called Robert the Doll. He said that that
was a myth, and and other people have said that
as well. And I believe that even the guy who
wrote Child's Play was asked and he said, no, no,
I had nothing to do with that. However, you have
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to understand something. If you are a writer of anything,
and especially a movie that becomes a hit, and then
you turn around and acknowledge that you, in any way
whatsoever based it on somebody else's story and give them
some credit. Well, then all of a sudden you might
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have to fork over some note and so like. For example,
if this is true what the guy in Key West
told me, he wrote an article, and then that article
somehow inspired the screenwriter to create Child's Play, then it
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is possible that the guy who published the article could
make a claim and say I deserve part of the
rights for this, and I deserve some money for my contribution.
Whether it's valid or not, you open the door for
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So that's why it would be very difficult to convince.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Me that the guy who wrote Child's Play can definitively
say that he knew nothing about Robert the Dall and
then nothing to him. I just don't know, so I
consider that one to be I think there will always
be a question mark sort of hovering over that one,
just because of what I was told by the guy
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and actually more than one person down there in Key West.
But regardless, here's what's most interesting. David Sloane and his book.
He did research on the family and the little boy.
We'll just call the little Boy Geen, all right, because
that's what everybody used to call him. The little boy Jean.
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He did have a wealthy family and his father, Thomas Otto,
was a doctor. And you know, the story was that
they had some kind of a servant from in some
exotic place who got disgruntled. Well, it turns out there
was a woman who worked for them from the Bahamas.
She worked for the family in that capacity. Her name
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was Emmaline Abbot E M E L I N E
A B B O.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
T Emmaline Abbot.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And yes, she did in fact have a falling out
with the family, but no one knows why. She very
well could have been in a position to do something
magical to the doll. We'll never know for sure what
she did or did not do, but we can tell
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you this she did not make the doll from scratch.
And when I went down there, everybody always said that
this woman had made this doll, which would be a
very impressive feat. Well, David Sloan discovered that, in fact,
this is a rare German Stife doll from the early
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nineteen hundreds. Now let me tell you what that means,
he says in his book. Here in eighteen eighty, German
entrepreneur and seamstress Margaret Stife, who was confined to a wheelchair,
began making felt elephant pin cushions from a pattern published
in a women's magazine or a women's magazine called moldenwildt
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Noticing that children enjoyed playing with them, Margaret went on
to design and create other popular animal themed toys. A
few years later, with the assistance of her brother Fritz,
she formed the Stife Company. Today, over a century and
a quarter later, Stife is still universally recognized for its
quality workmanship and fantastic designs. Although best known for their
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nineteen o two invention of the Teddy Bear, the Stiff
Company can also take credit for the creation of Robert
the Doll.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Apparently, the reason that nobody realized that this was a
Stiffed doll for so long is because the Stiff trademark
was a metal button that had their logo that would
go in the right ear of their creations to prevent counterfeits.
But Robert's right ear is mainly missing, so that button
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is not there, so that contributed to this mystery for
so many decades. If there had been a little Stife
thing there, then people would have known, okay, well, this
was a Stife doll, and the Auto family was originally
from Germany, that is, Prussia, and so it's believed that
Jean's mother, Mini Auto, may have purchased the on a
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trip to Hamburg when she was visiting relatives and then
brought the doll back to Key West. But this is
what's really bizarre about this, he didn't originally have the
outfit and all that. David Sloane found that the doll
was originally dressed in a clown costume, a pink and
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green harlequin clown suit adorned with pom poms, and even
has an ad showing this thing. Now, this almost adds
a new level of creepiness to Robert the Doll, because
now we have this this freaky fear of of dolls
that some people have combined with that freaky fear of clowns.
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How fitting is it that Robert the Dall actually started
out as a clown. I wonder if he still had
that clown out outfit, if he would be even creepier
and more famous and more so.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, he was a clown and so rare. I have not.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Seen another like it that has survived. If you know
of one, let me know I might be interested in
buying it. Unless the price is ridiculous. But how about
that that Robert was a rare German stiff doll, but
he was rarer than rare because he was unusually big.
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And that's why that Sloane thinks that he may have
actually been a store display. So Robert was a clown
stif doll, but not even a normal clown stiffe doll,
a giant one that may have been a store display.
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Isn't that interesting? I bet you didn't know that. That's
why I really am very proud of Sloan for doing
this kind of digging and that kind of like real
historic research. He's got illustrations in his book, like I said,
he's got pictures of the family, he's got specs regarding
the weight and the dimensions of the doll. He has
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newspaper clippings and articles and all this kind of stuff. So, okay, well,
in that case we know right off the bat. Then
since this servant did not make this doll from scratch,
the most she could have done would be to take
the doll that he had and then modify it in
some way. So let's see, how about the where'd the
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little sailor outfit come from? If this thing was a clown.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Where do we know?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Why is he dressed as a sailor? Well, it turns
out the sailor outfit is one that little Jeane used
to wear. How do we know? We even have a
photo of him wearing it. How about that? So talk
about Robert the doll being mirror of little Eugene. Robert Eugene,
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he was so much of a mirror that the real
little boy's clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Ended up on the doll.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
According to the jacket label, it was manufactured in the
late eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds by a company
called Best in Company Best and COEO Best and Co.
In New York City, located near sixth and twenty third Street.
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And he even found an ad for the little Sailor
outfit that was published around nineteen oh one. Now the
hat is a separate item and not a part of
the original outfit. The hat has a label that says
nineteen seventy one, so it was.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Added much later. I believe that Gene died in nineteen.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Seve four at the age of seventy four, so this
would have been something that was added on just a
few years before his death perhaps, And uh, and then
the stuffed Lion has a tag that says nineteen sixty four,
because Robert told me a little stuffed lion. The tag
says nineteen sixty four, So even that was added much later,
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but you know, at least ten years before before Jane died,
when Gene would have been you know, sixty four. But
Jane kept this doll until his death, of course, as
you know, in nineteen seventy four, so he may have
been the one who added these elements later in life.
We can presume that, Okay, we're going to take a break. See,
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I told you I had some very interesting new things
that have come to light to share with you. When
we come back for the break, I have even more
stuff to tell you about that I think is I
think is pretty crazy stuff and it has to do
with my experience down there in Key West and something
that well, it's another mystery in my mind. And I
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can see why that nobody wants to release the solution
to this one, even if they have it. You'll see
what I mean. I'm Joshua P.
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Welcome Back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Pete Warren, and this is the show where the unusual
becomes usual. You know, I may have misspoke earlier. I'm
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not the last time. Okay, Look, the last time that
I actually saw Robert the Dahl was in twenty twelve.
I think I might have said it was twenty fourteen,
but no, I checked. It was twenty twelve. So that
was two years after my investigation. So that was fourteen
years ago. And I love Key West and I would
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go back to Key West in a heartbeat. But I
think one of the reasons that I haven't been back
in so long is because, well, I ended up moving
to Puerto Rico, and that was a big lifestyle change
for years, and I got, you know, kind of my
island fix, having adventures all over Puerto Rico. So it's
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about time for me to go back to Key West
and revisit Robert. But nonetheless, people they ask me all
the time, well what's his current status, especially George Norri.
You know, I could not even begin to tell you
how many times that George Norris has interviewed me over
the years, and almost every time I expect him at
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some point to say, so, what's up with Robert the
haulted doll? And I wish I had something new to
report to him. But here's actually what I can tell you. Truthfully,
I used to hear from people all the time who
would say I went to Robert and afterward, you know,
something unfortunate happened to me, and it was usually because
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they didn't take him seriously or they didn't ask for
permission before they photographed him. But I haven't heard anybody
say anything like that in years now. And I found
that as more and more people like myself publicized the
story of Robert the Doll and told everybody that you
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should be respectful of him, more and more people listened
and took that seriously and started being more respectful. And
so now, I mean, everybody knows if you go to
see Robert the Doll, you take him seriously and you
don't disrespect him. And so I would say that more
than ever, Robert seems at peace now because that, I mean,
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you know, he the word is gotten out to be
nice to the Doll, and so it would make sense
that we would have less negative reports.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So there's not much that I know of that's new.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will tell you, however, that the museum display looks
a little bit different. One of my favorite YouTubers is
Jacob the Carpetbagger, who actually lives in western North Carolina.
I don't know anybody who travels like this guy does.
He puts out a YouTube video every day and he
goes around to roadside attractions and haunted houses and theme
parks and any museums like anything outstanding and quirky. And
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a few months ago he put out a video of
himself and his fiance Jinny in Key West visiting Robert
the Doll, and the thing that stood out for me
was that the setting is pretty much the same, except
now instead of having all the letters plastered all over
the walls, I guess they just scan them all in
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and now there's just a monitor there that appears to
have maybe like a slide show that goes through and
shows them, so they've kind of digitized it. There's also
like a little eerie e xylophone soundtrack in the background,
and so yeah, you don't actually get to see the papers,
but that's probably good because it's so humid down there.
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I guess those papers they disintegrate pretty quickly. So that
is all I know about Robert the Haunted Doll at
this particular point that's worthy of passing on to you. However,
I am going to tell you in a minute about
some of my thoughts on other haunted dolls. But I
want to get back to this gold bar thing that
I mentioned in my book because on I think it
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was my last day there in Key West when I
went in twenty ten, I told you that I went
into the mel Fisher Maritime Museum and the big showcase there.
The big feature was a case, a clear case, you know,
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square case made of some kind of there's no telling,
some kind of super indestructible bulletproof glass or whatever. And
there was a little hole that you could poke your hand,
you could slip your hand through, and inside the case
was this gold bar from an old shipwreck. And this
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gold bar was valued at five hundred and fifty thousand
dollars in twenty ten. So you could reach your hand
in there and you could pick that thing up, but
of course it'd be impossible to pull it out of there. Supposedly,
you know, I've never looked up if this is true
or not. But when I was growing up, old Timer's
told me you could catch a raccoon if you dug
a hole in the ground and you put something shiny
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in there that would attract the raccoon's attention and the
rack who would reach down and grab it and make
a fist, but he wouldn't let go of it, so
he couldn't. He wouldn't pull his fist out. That sounds
like some baloney, doesn't it. I think if that were true,
I would have seen something about that by now. But
it reminds me of that. So, yeah, so you stick
your hand in there and you're not supposed to get
that gold bar out. Well, not long after I was there, uh,
(34:22):
it was all over the news. Some guy had walked
in there. They showed the security footage of this. And
the craziest thing is, this is in the middle of
the night when the place is closed. The guy I
best I remember, he was wearing a ball cap. He
walks up and here is what it looks like on
the security camera. It looks like that he sticks his
(34:45):
hand in there and he just picks it up and
pulls it out, just like magic. Just it's almost like
it goes right through the material and then turns around
and walks out with it. And you know, again we're
talking about I would say that that is the most
valuable thing I've ever held in my hand, financially speaking,
(35:11):
a gold bar worth five hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
you know, gold I looked it up. Has gone up
since then three hundred percent. So if you could argue that, well,
if that's been the case for this gold bar, then
this gold bar would be worth maybe around one point
sixty five million dollars today. Now I know that's not
necessarily the case in melt value, because I'm sure they
(35:33):
apply a value to it based upon historic it's his
historic significance and all that as well. But anyway, that's
how much value we're talking about. This guy reaches in
and it looks like he just pulls it through, almost
like the case isn't there, and just turns around and
(35:54):
walks off. And of course they the cops were putting
the security footage all over the place and they were saying,
how on earth, Well basically they were saying, like, okay,
we want any leads we can get as to how
on earth you know this could have been done and
where these guys are and everything. And at one point
(36:15):
I called the key Wes Police Department because I wanted
to do a story about this, of course on my
radio program, speaking of strange and fortunately for me, I
got a woman on the phone, a police lady who
was a chatty cathy. She must have been bored that
day and she was more than happy to tell me
all about it. And I said, how did they get
the gold bar out of that thing without damaging it?
(36:38):
According to what we can see on the video? And
she says, we have no idea. I said, really, She said, no,
we don't know how they got it out of there.
And I mean it was it's eerie when you watch
the footage best I recall, and so, I mean it
(36:58):
was a huge mystery. Well, here's the follow up on that.
Here's what happened. So okay, says here. August of twenty ten,
two men Richard Johnson and Jared Goldman stole this seventeenth
century Spanish gold bar worth over five hundred and fifty
(37:19):
thousand from the mel Fisher Maritime Museum in Key West.
The seventy five ounce bar was recovered from the sixteen
to twenty two Santa Margherita shipwreck, and it said that
let's see here. After nearly eight years, investigators arrested them
(37:43):
following an anonymous tip. Johnson was sentenced to sixty three
months and Goldman to forty months in federal prison. It
says the fate of the gold Johnson cut up the
gold bar and sold it often in Las Vegas, leaving
most of it unrecovered. The thieves were ordered to pay
(38:04):
five hundred and seventy one hundred ninety five dollars in
restitution to the museum. And I looked up, well, how
did they get in there? Like, how did they get
that thing out of there? And AI says in this
report they used a quote unknown nondescript tool end quote.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Boy, uh, how much would some.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
People pay for that unknown nondescript tool that allows you
to just miraculously pull gold bars out of their case
and walk out the door with them? If any of
you know what that means, what those guys did, I'd
like to know. And of course there are other reports
where it says, oh, well, you know, they just they
broke it. No they didn't, No they didn't if it
(38:52):
watched the video, watch the video. So I don't know
how they did it. But that was just one of
those like bizarre, eerie things that I remember about that tree.
So look, I've learned a lot over the past sixteen years,
and since then, I now own myself numerous haunted dolls.
You've heard me talked about Kennedy, my ventrilical figure, and
(39:15):
I've thought a lot about whether or not dolls can
actually be possessed and dolls can come to life, and
dolls can do all these amazing things. And when we
come back from this s break, I'm going to tell
you my opinion about that after all these years, my
current thoughts on dolls having life. And I'm also going
(39:38):
to tell you a little bit about something that you
can do if you want to prove for yourself that
you might be able to mentally give life to some
type of an n nanimate object where if you want
to create for yourself something like a minion, a serve tour,
(40:01):
a little spiritual being that will go out and do
your bidding for you. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening
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Speaker 2 (42:15):
I am your host, Joshua P. Warren.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
And if you read a report that says that the
guy who guy or guys who stole that gold bar
smashed that case, that is total boloney. Go to YouTube
for example. You can find this all over the place.
Go to YouTube and on the CNN channel look up
(42:41):
caught on camera men still gold treasure, or you could
just do a search for like security footage mel Fisher
gold bar stolen and look at the guy just reach
in and pull that bar out like magic. It's crazy,
and they won't they won't tell us. They won't tell
us how he did that. Maybe some black magic. I
don't know. Well, okay, here is how I feel after
(43:07):
after sixteen years, when I started doing this kind of
research into Robert the Haunted Doll, I thought there was
just no way that a doll could come to life
and do anything animate like was being described. It just
seemed like the most silly, absurd, comical thing in the
world to me. But even though I have never actually
(43:31):
with my own two eyes seen a doll move like
that in front of me, I've seen stuff on camera.
I have seen dolls that are in different positions that
I put them in. I mean, I can tell you
that even you know, I'll keep you updated on my
own Ventriloqal doll Kennedy, who is my favorite haunted doll.
Even though I've never seen that, I have talked to
(43:52):
so many people who I believe are credible, who have
seen that that I started really thinking about the fact, well,
what is the mind body relationship anyway? You know, we
can't even figure out what it is that keeps this
spirit trapped within this physical body that's destined for decay.
So until we can explain the relationship between your mind
(44:15):
and your consciousness and your bio energy and your physical body,
until we can explain that, why should we be so
arrogant as to say it's not possible for other physical
bodies to also have some kind of spirit that they
can attain, maybe that can be given to them, maybe
(44:36):
that they absorb what makes Robert the Dall's body so
different as a vessel that it's not possible that some
level of life could be in there. And you might say, well,
he doesn't have a brain, and he doesn't have veins,
and he doesn't have lungs, and neither does an amoeba,
and yet an amoeba is filled with life. We can't
(44:59):
explain that. You have to really open your mind here.
So I am open to the idea that there are
objects that have spirits, and especially things that look like us,
that we treat like people, that we might be able
to inject with some kind of a spirit. And you know,
there is a tradition that goes back of for thousands
(45:21):
of years of people creating these types of these animating
these inanimate figures, like for example, a gollum g l
e M. A gollum is an artificial anthropomorphic being, something
that looks like a person in Jewish folklore, created from
(45:44):
mud or clay and brought to life through mystical divine knowledge.
It's designed to be a strong, obedient servant or protector.
A gollum is activated by holy words or sacred formulas,
but cannot speak and often runs a muck, representing a
dangerous untamed power.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Says.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
The term appears once in the Bible Psalm one thirty
nine sixteen, meaning unformed or unfinished. Uh. A servitor, you know,
this is a person who serves or acts as an attendant.
That's what a servitor is. There are ways of creating
a spiritual servitor. So if you want to create a
(46:24):
spiritual being that will be what I call a minion,
then there is a technique that you can use where
you say I want like I don't want to go
and do this to this person or rob this bank
or whatever, but I'm going to create you, and I
want you to go out there and do it for
me as a spiritual being. I think there's something to that,
(46:47):
and I call them minions. Of course, you can't call
anything a minion now because everybody thinks of the cartoon,
you know, similar to a tulpa. A tulpa is something
that manifest because a person focuses on it. You can
focus on the image like you project your thoughts in
a condensed manner, and you create some type of an apparition,
(47:10):
or you might even create bigfoot running around in your backyard.
That's the idea of a tulpa, where a group of
people can can focus and create a tulpa. But a
tulpa is kind of like a mindless projection that's burned
into the environment. These things like your gallums, your servitors,
your minions that these actually they have some part of
(47:32):
your consciousness in them, supposedly, and they can go out
and do things on your behalf. And if you want
to know a very simple technique to try to experiment
with creating one of these minions on your own, well,
guess what episode of this show called Strange Things you.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Have to listen to.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
It's number one. It's that interesting, it's that simple. It
can be that effective, so effective that I talk about
this in the very first episode, almost three hundred episodes ago,
the very first episode of this podcast called Strange Things.
It's called the Secret to conjure whatever you want, use
(48:13):
it wisely. So go back and listen to episode one
of this show if you want to experiment with that. So, look,
I'm open to it. I believe that you should take
this seriously. And you know, your consciousness does not have
(48:35):
to be solely refined to us and what we consider
other living, fleshy things. Who draws that line? Who draws
that line? So that's what I've learned after sixteen years
and after having owned many haunted dolls. And at some
point I'll just do a whole show where I just
(48:56):
tell you all about some of the experiences that I've
had with the haunted dolls that I own. I want
to read an email to you. It's one of those
that made my day. You know, people who sign up
for my free e newsletter, they get a lot of
perks and one thing. When you sign up, you get
a link to a five minute money secret and it's uh,
(49:19):
it's an ebook that I wrote and I also read
it as an audiobook and it comes with some tones
that you play. And I know that people think you
sound like, you know, a snake oil salesman when you
say I have a money secret. But it does you
no harm. You don't have to pay a penny for it.
Does you no harm to read this or listen to
this and try it out, because this is what I
(49:41):
do all the time. I so if you go, if
you sign up for my my newsletter, or if you
you know what, if you don't want to, let's see,
you can also go right to moneymiraclesecret dot com. I
think that's yeah, Money miraclesecret dot com and you can
access it that way. I got an email the other day.
(50:06):
I blasted this address out to the five Minute Money Secret.
I just felt inspired to do it. This is something
that I wrote years ago, and I blasted it out
and like in the middle of the night, and then
I went to sleep, and I got up the next
day and I had a lot of emails and they
were all positive, but this one in particular caught my attention.
(50:28):
This came from Rob I think he's in Florida, and
the subject says, I can't believe it. He says Joshua, Hi,
I can't believe this happened today. When I woke up
early this morning, around five thirty am, the first thing
I did was pray to God to show me a
(50:51):
way to make money somehow. The reason I did that
is because I'm not doing very well at all financially lately,
and my house is an eat of a lot of repairs.
Then I got out of bed and check my emails
and here was this email from you about the five
minute money miracle. I can't believe it. And one of
(51:12):
the things that I tell people to do in this
is to get an exotic coin from another country. If
you read this or you listen to it, you'll understand why.
But he goes on to say, as an extra coincidence,
my mother used to live in Zimbabwe for a number
of years and she gave me this coin. And he
says it was called a Rhodesia. And he says, here's
(51:34):
a picture, and he sent me a picture of this
really cool looking nineteen eighties Zimbabwe coin that has a
highly stylized bird on it. And he says, thank you,
Joshua for sending this. I will follow through with gifting
and anyway, so he says, keep up the good work,
(51:54):
best regards, Rob. Well, you know what, how about that
the guy prayed to God and then he wakes up
and he gets this email and he thinks that this
may have been the answer.
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That makes me think.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
You know, you can call me a snake oil guy
if you want, But that kind of stuff, you try
it out for yourself and then you see, you see
what works for you.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's amazing. It's amazing.
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on this one. The clock has finally got us. Now,
let's all of us try to manifest a very positive
experience for the next at least the next week. Come on,
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and a lot more. On this edition of the show.
Update Robert the Doll sixteen years later. And if you're
not all into Robert the Dall that's not your cup
of tea, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't plan to talk the whole.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Show just about that. But this will be kind of
a special edition. And here's why. I recently did an
episode about my investigation, my original investigation of Robert the
dall in twenty ten down in Key West, Florida. Well
that was sixteen years ago, and I read to you
(01:57):
the booklet that I wrote about my experience is right
after I had them, and that book was called Don't
Play with Robert, the World's Most Haunted Doll. But now,
sixteen years later, new things have come to light.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I have learned a lot of new stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Other researchers have learned some new stuff, And I thought,
you know what, I usually try to do a very
structured podcast where I kind of sit down and I
kind of have an idea of where I want to go,
and I've got pointers laid out, and I've done some
show prep. But I figure, maybe this might be a
nice time for me and maybe for you to just
(02:40):
kind of kick back a little bit and reflect on
what I've learned and maybe just ramble on a little
bit here and there. But I mean, because there are
some pretty remarkable new things that I have to tell
you about and just kind of maybe go a little
scream of consciousness and talk a bit about the behind
the scenes. It's kind of like the after party. It's
(03:04):
like the DVD extras. It's like seeing the cast and
crew of the movie sit on stage afterward and do
a cue and as it's something like the where are
they now?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Segment?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
The follow up in a way to what I read
that I wrote sixteen years ago, how do I feel
about that situation and haunted dolls in general? And so
if you don't know, if you did not listen already
to the episode that I did about Robert the Doll,
(03:41):
then you should probably go back and listen to that
before you listen to this, so you'll have things in
proper context. You know, there is one thing I'll tell
you right off the bat, and this may or may
not be of interest, but there's whenever you get involved
in the pair normal, if you get wrapped up into
(04:03):
something that's really paranormal, then usually there are incredible synchronicities
that start to appear. And like one of the first
synchronicities that I realized when I started doing this research
is that the man Robert Eugene Auto, who owned Robert
(04:23):
the Doll, Okay, the little kid who was obsessed with
Robert the Doll, who kept him all throughout his life
until he died as an old man that man, Robert
Eugene Auto. He was born on October twenty fifth of
nineteen hundred. Well, October twenty fifth is my birthday, and
(04:44):
I didn't know that until I started investigating all this.
That was one of the first things that stood out
to me. But this is something, especially if you're kind
of technically minded, you.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Might find interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
When I decided that I would sit down in front
of this microphone and read my short book to you
called Don't Play with Robert, the World's Most Haunted Doll,
I had no idea how it was going to time
out in terms of the show, because I have these
strict timing parameters that are set in place for me
by iHeart, that I have to use in order to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Do this show.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So I got to have only a certain amount of
time to squeeze in a certain amount of information. And
it's really no different than back in the old days
of live radio. And what I found was that, Okay,
I was just going to read the booklet and then
(05:39):
afterward I would just kind of chop it up and
drop it into place and just see how it timed out.
I wasn't sure if it was going to be like
a to be continued and have to go into a
part too.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I just didn't know.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
So I recorded the whole thing in one fell swoop,
and then I started doing the show where I would
take the portions that I was reading and I would
insert them into the show. And let me tell you what,
it timed out absolutely perfectly, right down to the second.
It fit like a glove. It was almost like that
(06:11):
I had written it as a script, as a timed
script to fit into the framework that I use for
this show. And again, if you don't know exactly how
I put the show together, or you don't have experience
with that, you may not.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Realize how astounding that is.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
But to me, I was just like, no way, no way,
this is going to time out perfectly.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And it did. So that's why I always give you advice.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You know, if you were going to start really looking
into paranormal phenomena, whether it's I don't care what it is,
really it's all related ghosts, UFOs, scripted's psychic phenomena. If
you're trying to contact somebody on the other side in
the spirit realm, always pay attention to those synchronicities that
will guide you and kind of let you know whether
(06:58):
or not you're on the right track. Before I tell
you some of the new information that's come out about
Robert the Doll, I also want to tell you that
when I wrote that booklet, I ticked off a lot
of people in Key West, and I was shocked by that.
(07:18):
I went down there to Key West, and Okay, well,
for one thing, when I was there, I actually offered
to purchase Robert the Doll. And I don't think that
they liked that, because one weird thing about this doll
is that it seems like anybody who comes within too
close within that doll circle to close gradually starts to
(07:44):
develop an unhealthy obsession with the doll and becomes very
sensitive about him, very protective of him. This is an
attribute of many possessed possessions, and so you've got to
sort of walk on eggshells times if you find that
somebody or some group of people have become a little
(08:06):
illogically attached to one of these objects. And so when
I wrote my booklets, I went down there not knowing
what to expect. Okay, I was down there to do
this report for Coast to Coast AM series of reports,
and also my own show at the time, which was
called Speaking of Strange, part of the same company there.
(08:31):
Speaking of Strange was broadcast in the southeast alone, though
it wasn't national coast to coast am everywhere. But I
didn't know what I was going to experience, and so
when I came back, I thought, you know what, this
was interesting enough, I need to write a booklet about it.
And I also was struck by the fact that when
I was down there at the gift shop in Key West,
(08:52):
they didn't have any kind of a book or a
booklet about Robert the Dall. And I felt that that
was you know, that would be a great thing to have.
How many people would like to know more about, you know,
the story and all that. So I took it upon
myself to write this booklet, and as soon as I
finished it, I sent a copy down to the folks
(09:12):
I don't want to use any names, but down to
the people who were in charge of Robert the Dall
at that time. I don't know if those same people
are in charge or not.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I do.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Know the staff has changed. I sent it down there
and said, hey, would you be interested in carrying this
in your gift shop? And I got this email back
and I just looked it up today, and after I
sent it, the person who was in charge at that
time said, they said, quote, we could never approve this distribution.
(09:47):
You never told us that you planned to publish a booklet,
and we understood that the interviews and information you gathered
were for your radio show. Please do not print or
distribute this booklet.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Quote.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I wasn't expecting that, and so I wrote back and
I said, well, I'm very sorry to hear that it
hasn't been printed or published in anyway. Can you please
can I work with you to get you know, feedback, proofreading,
fact checking, you know whatever, so that it meets your standards.
They never got back with me after that. It was
(10:22):
the cold Shoulder, and so it seemed like, you know,
I had been blackballed from the Robert the Doll community
down there in Key West just because I wrote that book.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Again, none of those same.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
People who were there at that time in charge of
the Doll are still in charge as far as I know. So,
you know, the last time I went back to visit
Robert the Doll was two years later. It was in
twenty twelve, and I walked in and everybody was very nice,
and I was with my wife Lauren, and my sister
Jessica and our friend Eric, and we had a really
(10:58):
good time. We didn't have any problem whatsoever. So I
think all is good now. But the fact of the
matter is, as I mentioned, three years after I published
my booklet.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
David L.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Sloan he wrote the authoritative booklet called Robert the Doll.
I think it's called a Biography of the Haunted Doll
or something like that. I don't have it right in
front of me. I'll look it up and I'll let
you know. I talked about it before he wrote the
authoritative book, and let's see Robert the Doll Sloan And
(11:36):
in his book now he okay, yeah, Robert the Doll,
The True Biography of Key West Haunted Doll. David Sloan.
He's a great researcher. He lives in Florida. I think
he lives in Key West, or at least he did then.
And when he wrote this book, he dug up some
very interesting historical facts about this doll that I don't
(11:58):
think anybody had ever discovered it and certainly published before.
When we come back from this break, I'm gonna tell
you about that really interesting well, you know, how it goes.
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Bet me into your wormhole Brain from my studio in
sen City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden
and every night of silver. O zoom.
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And when I was reading.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
My book in a previous podcast, Don't Play With Robert
the World's Most Haunted Doll, I had Well, I read
to you that I met a man when I was
in Key West who told me that he had once
written an article in the paper about Robert the Doll
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back in the day, and that he got a call
from a screenwriter in Hollywood asking questions, and that writer
later went on to write the movie Child's Play starring
the Sinister Little Doll Chucky. Well and David L. Sloane's
book Don't Play With Actually, his his book is just
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called just called Robert the Doll. He said that that
was a myth, and and other people have said that
as well. And I believe that even the guy who
wrote Child's Play was asked and he said, no, no,
I had nothing to do with that. However, you have
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to understand something. If you are a writer of anything,
and especially a movie that becomes a hit, and then
you turn around and acknowledge that you, in any way
whatsoever based it on somebody else's story and give them
some credit. Well, then all of a sudden you might
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have to fork over some note and so like. For example,
if this is true what the guy in Key West
told me, he wrote an article, and then that article
somehow inspired the screenwriter to create Child's Play, then it
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is possible that the guy who published the article could
make a claim and say I deserve part of the
rights for this, and I deserve some money for my contribution.
Whether it's valid or not, you open the door for
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So that's why it would be very difficult to convince.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Me that the guy who wrote Child's Play can definitively
say that he knew nothing about Robert the Dall and
then nothing to him. I just don't know, so I
consider that one to be I think there will always
be a question mark sort of hovering over that one,
just because of what I was told by the guy
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and actually more than one person down there in Key West.
But regardless, here's what's most interesting. David Sloane and his book.
He did research on the family and the little boy.
We'll just call the little Boy Geen, all right, because
that's what everybody used to call him. The little boy Jean.
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He did have a wealthy family and his father, Thomas Otto,
was a doctor. And you know, the story was that
they had some kind of a servant from in some
exotic place who got disgruntled. Well, it turns out there
was a woman who worked for them from the Bahamas.
She worked for the family in that capacity. Her name
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was Emmaline Abbot E M E L I N E
A B B O.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
T Emmaline Abbot.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
And yes, she did in fact have a falling out
with the family, but no one knows why. She very
well could have been in a position to do something
magical to the doll. We'll never know for sure what
she did or did not do, but we can tell
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you this she did not make the doll from scratch.
And when I went down there, everybody always said that
this woman had made this doll, which would be a
very impressive feat. Well, David Sloan discovered that, in fact,
this is a rare German Stife doll from the early
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nineteen hundreds. Now let me tell you what that means,
he says in his book. Here in eighteen eighty, German
entrepreneur and seamstress Margaret Stife, who was confined to a wheelchair,
began making felt elephant pin cushions from a pattern published
in a women's magazine or a women's magazine called moldenwildt
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Noticing that children enjoyed playing with them, Margaret went on
to design and create other popular animal themed toys. A
few years later, with the assistance of her brother Fritz,
she formed the Stife Company. Today, over a century and
a quarter later, Stife is still universally recognized for its
quality workmanship and fantastic designs. Although best known for their
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nineteen o two invention of the Teddy Bear, the Stiff
Company can also take credit for the creation of Robert
the Doll.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Apparently, the reason that nobody realized that this was a
Stiffed doll for so long is because the Stiff trademark
was a metal button that had their logo that would
go in the right ear of their creations to prevent counterfeits.
But Robert's right ear is mainly missing, so that button
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is not there, so that contributed to this mystery for
so many decades. If there had been a little Stife
thing there, then people would have known, okay, well, this
was a Stife doll, and the Auto family was originally
from Germany, that is, Prussia, and so it's believed that
Jean's mother, Mini Auto, may have purchased the on a
(21:00):
trip to Hamburg when she was visiting relatives and then
brought the doll back to Key West. But this is
what's really bizarre about this, he didn't originally have the
outfit and all that. David Sloane found that the doll
was originally dressed in a clown costume, a pink and
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green harlequin clown suit adorned with pom poms, and even
has an ad showing this thing. Now, this almost adds
a new level of creepiness to Robert the Doll, because
now we have this this freaky fear of of dolls
that some people have combined with that freaky fear of clowns.
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How fitting is it that Robert the Dall actually started
out as a clown. I wonder if he still had
that clown out outfit, if he would be even creepier
and more famous and more so.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, he was a clown and so rare. I have not.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Seen another like it that has survived. If you know
of one, let me know I might be interested in
buying it. Unless the price is ridiculous. But how about
that that Robert was a rare German stiff doll, but
he was rarer than rare because he was unusually big.
(22:27):
And that's why that Sloane thinks that he may have
actually been a store display. So Robert was a clown
stif doll, but not even a normal clown stiffe doll,
a giant one that may have been a store display.
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Isn't that interesting? I bet you didn't know that. That's
why I really am very proud of Sloan for doing
this kind of digging and that kind of like real
historic research. He's got illustrations in his book, like I said,
he's got pictures of the family, he's got specs regarding
the weight and the dimensions of the doll. He has
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newspaper clippings and articles and all this kind of stuff. So, okay, well,
in that case we know right off the bat. Then
since this servant did not make this doll from scratch,
the most she could have done would be to take
the doll that he had and then modify it in
some way. So let's see, how about the where'd the
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little sailor outfit come from? If this thing was a clown.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Where do we know?
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Why is he dressed as a sailor? Well, it turns
out the sailor outfit is one that little Jeane used
to wear. How do we know? We even have a
photo of him wearing it. How about that? So talk
about Robert the doll being mirror of little Eugene. Robert Eugene,
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he was so much of a mirror that the real
little boy's clothes.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Ended up on the doll.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
According to the jacket label, it was manufactured in the
late eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds by a company
called Best in Company Best and COEO Best and Co.
In New York City, located near sixth and twenty third Street.
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And he even found an ad for the little Sailor
outfit that was published around nineteen oh one. Now the
hat is a separate item and not a part of
the original outfit. The hat has a label that says
nineteen seventy one, so it was.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Added much later. I believe that Gene died in nineteen.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Seve four at the age of seventy four, so this
would have been something that was added on just a
few years before his death perhaps, And uh, and then
the stuffed Lion has a tag that says nineteen sixty four,
because Robert told me a little stuffed lion. The tag
says nineteen sixty four, So even that was added much later,
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but you know, at least ten years before before Jane died,
when Gene would have been you know, sixty four. But
Jane kept this doll until his death, of course, as
you know, in nineteen seventy four, so he may have
been the one who added these elements later in life.
We can presume that, Okay, we're going to take a break. See,
(25:43):
I told you I had some very interesting new things
that have come to light to share with you. When
we come back for the break, I have even more
stuff to tell you about that I think is I
think is pretty crazy stuff and it has to do
with my experience down there in Key West and something
that well, it's another mystery in my mind. And I
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can see why that nobody wants to release the solution
to this one, even if they have it. You'll see
what I mean. I'm Joshua P.
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Welcome Back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Pete Warren, and this is the show where the unusual
becomes usual. You know, I may have misspoke earlier. I'm
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not the last time. Okay, Look, the last time that
I actually saw Robert the Dahl was in twenty twelve.
I think I might have said it was twenty fourteen,
but no, I checked. It was twenty twelve. So that
was two years after my investigation. So that was fourteen
years ago. And I love Key West and I would
(29:12):
go back to Key West in a heartbeat. But I
think one of the reasons that I haven't been back
in so long is because, well, I ended up moving
to Puerto Rico, and that was a big lifestyle change
for years, and I got, you know, kind of my
island fix, having adventures all over Puerto Rico. So it's
(29:32):
about time for me to go back to Key West
and revisit Robert. But nonetheless, people they ask me all
the time, well what's his current status, especially George Norri.
You know, I could not even begin to tell you
how many times that George Norris has interviewed me over
the years, and almost every time I expect him at
(29:55):
some point to say, so, what's up with Robert the
haulted doll? And I wish I had something new to
report to him. But here's actually what I can tell you. Truthfully,
I used to hear from people all the time who
would say I went to Robert and afterward, you know,
something unfortunate happened to me, and it was usually because
(30:17):
they didn't take him seriously or they didn't ask for
permission before they photographed him. But I haven't heard anybody
say anything like that in years now. And I found
that as more and more people like myself publicized the
story of Robert the Doll and told everybody that you
(30:40):
should be respectful of him, more and more people listened
and took that seriously and started being more respectful. And
so now, I mean, everybody knows if you go to
see Robert the Doll, you take him seriously and you
don't disrespect him. And so I would say that more
than ever, Robert seems at peace now because that, I mean,
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you know, he the word is gotten out to be
nice to the Doll, and so it would make sense
that we would have less negative reports.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So there's not much that I know of that's new.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I will tell you, however, that the museum display looks
a little bit different. One of my favorite YouTubers is
Jacob the Carpetbagger, who actually lives in western North Carolina.
I don't know anybody who travels like this guy does.
He puts out a YouTube video every day and he
goes around to roadside attractions and haunted houses and theme
parks and any museums like anything outstanding and quirky. And
(31:44):
a few months ago he put out a video of
himself and his fiance Jinny in Key West visiting Robert
the Doll, and the thing that stood out for me
was that the setting is pretty much the same, except
now instead of having all the letters plastered all over
the walls, I guess they just scan them all in
(32:06):
and now there's just a monitor there that appears to
have maybe like a slide show that goes through and
shows them, so they've kind of digitized it. There's also
like a little eerie e xylophone soundtrack in the background,
and so yeah, you don't actually get to see the papers,
but that's probably good because it's so humid down there.
(32:29):
I guess those papers they disintegrate pretty quickly. So that
is all I know about Robert the Haunted Doll at
this particular point that's worthy of passing on to you. However,
I am going to tell you in a minute about
some of my thoughts on other haunted dolls. But I
want to get back to this gold bar thing that
I mentioned in my book because on I think it
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was my last day there in Key West when I
went in twenty ten, I told you that I went
into the mel Fisher Maritime Museum and the big showcase there.
The big feature was a case, a clear case, you know,
(33:13):
square case made of some kind of there's no telling,
some kind of super indestructible bulletproof glass or whatever. And
there was a little hole that you could poke your hand,
you could slip your hand through, and inside the case
was this gold bar from an old shipwreck. And this
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gold bar was valued at five hundred and fifty thousand
dollars in twenty ten. So you could reach your hand
in there and you could pick that thing up, but
of course it'd be impossible to pull it out of there. Supposedly,
you know, I've never looked up if this is true
or not. But when I was growing up, old Timer's
told me you could catch a raccoon if you dug
a hole in the ground and you put something shiny
(33:57):
in there that would attract the raccoon's attention and the
rack who would reach down and grab it and make
a fist, but he wouldn't let go of it, so
he couldn't. He wouldn't pull his fist out. That sounds
like some baloney, doesn't it. I think if that were true,
I would have seen something about that by now. But
it reminds me of that. So, yeah, so you stick
your hand in there and you're not supposed to get
that gold bar out. Well, not long after I was there, uh,
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it was all over the news. Some guy had walked
in there. They showed the security footage of this. And
the craziest thing is, this is in the middle of
the night when the place is closed. The guy I
best I remember, he was wearing a ball cap. He
walks up and here is what it looks like on
the security camera. It looks like that he sticks his
(34:45):
hand in there and he just picks it up and
pulls it out, just like magic. Just it's almost like
it goes right through the material and then turns around
and walks out with it. And you know, again we're
talking about I would say that that is the most
valuable thing I've ever held in my hand, financially speaking,
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a gold bar worth five hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
you know, gold I looked it up. Has gone up
since then three hundred percent. So if you could argue that, well,
if that's been the case for this gold bar, then
this gold bar would be worth maybe around one point
sixty five million dollars today. Now I know that's not
necessarily the case in melt value, because I'm sure they
(35:33):
apply a value to it based upon historic it's his
historic significance and all that as well. But anyway, that's
how much value we're talking about. This guy reaches in
and it looks like he just pulls it through, almost
like the case isn't there, and just turns around and
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walks off. And of course they the cops were putting
the security footage all over the place and they were saying,
how on earth, Well basically they were saying, like, okay,
we want any leads we can get as to how
on earth you know this could have been done and
where these guys are and everything. And at one point
(36:15):
I called the key Wes Police Department because I wanted
to do a story about this, of course on my
radio program, speaking of strange and fortunately for me, I
got a woman on the phone, a police lady who
was a chatty cathy. She must have been bored that
day and she was more than happy to tell me
all about it. And I said, how did they get
the gold bar out of that thing without damaging it?
(36:38):
According to what we can see on the video? And
she says, we have no idea. I said, really, She said, no,
we don't know how they got it out of there.
And I mean it was it's eerie when you watch
the footage best I recall, and so, I mean it
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was a huge mystery. Well, here's the follow up on that.
Here's what happened. So okay, says here. August of twenty ten,
two men Richard Johnson and Jared Goldman stole this seventeenth
century Spanish gold bar worth over five hundred and fifty
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thousand from the mel Fisher Maritime Museum in Key West.
The seventy five ounce bar was recovered from the sixteen
to twenty two Santa Margherita shipwreck, and it said that
let's see here. After nearly eight years, investigators arrested them
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following an anonymous tip. Johnson was sentenced to sixty three
months and Goldman to forty months in federal prison. It
says the fate of the gold Johnson cut up the
gold bar and sold it often in Las Vegas, leaving
most of it unrecovered. The thieves were ordered to pay
(38:04):
five hundred and seventy one hundred ninety five dollars in
restitution to the museum. And I looked up, well, how
did they get in there? Like, how did they get
that thing out of there? And AI says in this
report they used a quote unknown nondescript tool end quote.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Boy, uh, how much would some.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
People pay for that unknown nondescript tool that allows you
to just miraculously pull gold bars out of their case
and walk out the door with them? If any of
you know what that means, what those guys did, I'd
like to know. And of course there are other reports
where it says, oh, well, you know, they just they
broke it. No they didn't, No they didn't if it
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watched the video, watch the video. So I don't know
how they did it. But that was just one of
those like bizarre, eerie things that I remember about that tree.
So look, I've learned a lot over the past sixteen years,
and since then, I now own myself numerous haunted dolls.
You've heard me talked about Kennedy, my ventrilical figure, and
(39:15):
I've thought a lot about whether or not dolls can
actually be possessed and dolls can come to life, and
dolls can do all these amazing things. And when we
come back from this s break, I'm going to tell
you my opinion about that after all these years, my
current thoughts on dolls having life. And I'm also going
(39:38):
to tell you a little bit about something that you
can do if you want to prove for yourself that
you might be able to mentally give life to some
type of an n nanimate object where if you want
to create for yourself something like a minion, a serve tour,
(40:01):
a little spiritual being that will go out and do
your bidding for you. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening
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I am your host, Joshua P. Warren.
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And if you read a report that says that the
guy who guy or guys who stole that gold bar
smashed that case, that is total boloney. Go to YouTube
for example. You can find this all over the place.
Go to YouTube and on the CNN channel look up
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caught on camera men still gold treasure, or you could
just do a search for like security footage mel Fisher
gold bar stolen and look at the guy just reach
in and pull that bar out like magic. It's crazy,
and they won't they won't tell us. They won't tell
us how he did that. Maybe some black magic. I
don't know. Well, okay, here is how I feel after
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after sixteen years, when I started doing this kind of
research into Robert the Haunted Doll, I thought there was
just no way that a doll could come to life
and do anything animate like was being described. It just
seemed like the most silly, absurd, comical thing in the
world to me. But even though I have never actually
(43:31):
with my own two eyes seen a doll move like
that in front of me, I've seen stuff on camera.
I have seen dolls that are in different positions that
I put them in. I mean, I can tell you
that even you know, I'll keep you updated on my
own Ventriloqal doll Kennedy, who is my favorite haunted doll.
Even though I've never seen that, I have talked to
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so many people who I believe are credible, who have
seen that that I started really thinking about the fact, well,
what is the mind body relationship anyway? You know, we
can't even figure out what it is that keeps this
spirit trapped within this physical body that's destined for decay.
So until we can explain the relationship between your mind
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and your consciousness and your bio energy and your physical body,
until we can explain that, why should we be so
arrogant as to say it's not possible for other physical
bodies to also have some kind of spirit that they
can attain, maybe that can be given to them, maybe
(44:36):
that they absorb what makes Robert the Dall's body so
different as a vessel that it's not possible that some
level of life could be in there. And you might say, well,
he doesn't have a brain, and he doesn't have veins,
and he doesn't have lungs, and neither does an amoeba,
and yet an amoeba is filled with life. We can't
(44:59):
explain that. You have to really open your mind here.
So I am open to the idea that there are
objects that have spirits, and especially things that look like us,
that we treat like people, that we might be able
to inject with some kind of a spirit. And you know,
there is a tradition that goes back of for thousands
(45:21):
of years of people creating these types of these animating
these inanimate figures, like for example, a gollum g l
e M. A gollum is an artificial anthropomorphic being, something
that looks like a person in Jewish folklore, created from
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mud or clay and brought to life through mystical divine knowledge.
It's designed to be a strong, obedient servant or protector.
A gollum is activated by holy words or sacred formulas,
but cannot speak and often runs a muck, representing a
dangerous untamed power.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Says.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
The term appears once in the Bible Psalm one thirty
nine sixteen, meaning unformed or unfinished. Uh. A servitor, you know,
this is a person who serves or acts as an attendant.
That's what a servitor is. There are ways of creating
a spiritual servitor. So if you want to create a
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spiritual being that will be what I call a minion,
then there is a technique that you can use where
you say I want like I don't want to go
and do this to this person or rob this bank
or whatever, but I'm going to create you, and I
want you to go out there and do it for
me as a spiritual being. I think there's something to that,
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and I call them minions. Of course, you can't call
anything a minion now because everybody thinks of the cartoon,
you know, similar to a tulpa. A tulpa is something
that manifest because a person focuses on it. You can
focus on the image like you project your thoughts in
a condensed manner, and you create some type of an apparition,
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or you might even create bigfoot running around in your backyard.
That's the idea of a tulpa, where a group of
people can can focus and create a tulpa. But a
tulpa is kind of like a mindless projection that's burned
into the environment. These things like your gallums, your servitors,
your minions that these actually they have some part of
(47:32):
your consciousness in them, supposedly, and they can go out
and do things on your behalf. And if you want
to know a very simple technique to try to experiment
with creating one of these minions on your own, well,
guess what episode of this show called Strange Things you.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Have to listen to.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
It's number one. It's that interesting, it's that simple. It
can be that effective, so effective that I talk about
this in the very first episode, almost three hundred episodes ago,
the very first episode of this podcast called Strange Things.
It's called the Secret to conjure whatever you want, use
(48:13):
it wisely. So go back and listen to episode one
of this show if you want to experiment with that. So, look,
I'm open to it. I believe that you should take
this seriously. And you know, your consciousness does not have
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to be solely refined to us and what we consider
other living, fleshy things. Who draws that line? Who draws
that line? So that's what I've learned after sixteen years
and after having owned many haunted dolls. And at some
point I'll just do a whole show where I just
(48:56):
tell you all about some of the experiences that I've
had with the haunted dolls that I own. I want
to read an email to you. It's one of those
that made my day. You know, people who sign up
for my free e newsletter, they get a lot of
perks and one thing. When you sign up, you get
a link to a five minute money secret and it's uh,
(49:19):
it's an ebook that I wrote and I also read
it as an audiobook and it comes with some tones
that you play. And I know that people think you
sound like, you know, a snake oil salesman when you
say I have a money secret. But it does you
no harm. You don't have to pay a penny for it.
Does you no harm to read this or listen to
this and try it out, because this is what I
(49:41):
do all the time. I so if you go, if
you sign up for my my newsletter, or if you
you know what, if you don't want to, let's see,
you can also go right to moneymiraclesecret dot com. I
think that's yeah, Money miraclesecret dot com and you can
access it that way. I got an email the other day.
(50:06):
I blasted this address out to the five Minute Money Secret.
I just felt inspired to do it. This is something
that I wrote years ago, and I blasted it out
and like in the middle of the night, and then
I went to sleep, and I got up the next
day and I had a lot of emails and they
were all positive, but this one in particular caught my attention.
(50:28):
This came from Rob I think he's in Florida, and
the subject says, I can't believe it. He says Joshua, Hi,
I can't believe this happened today. When I woke up
early this morning, around five thirty am, the first thing
I did was pray to God to show me a
(50:51):
way to make money somehow. The reason I did that
is because I'm not doing very well at all financially lately,
and my house is an eat of a lot of repairs.
Then I got out of bed and check my emails
and here was this email from you about the five
minute money miracle. I can't believe it. And one of
(51:12):
the things that I tell people to do in this
is to get an exotic coin from another country. If
you read this or you listen to it, you'll understand why.
But he goes on to say, as an extra coincidence,
my mother used to live in Zimbabwe for a number
of years and she gave me this coin. And he
says it was called a Rhodesia. And he says, here's
(51:34):
a picture, and he sent me a picture of this
really cool looking nineteen eighties Zimbabwe coin that has a
highly stylized bird on it. And he says, thank you,
Joshua for sending this. I will follow through with gifting
and anyway, so he says, keep up the good work,
(51:54):
best regards, Rob. Well, you know what, how about that
the guy prayed to God and then he wakes up
and he gets this email and he thinks that this
may have been the answer.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
That makes me think.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
You know, you can call me a snake oil guy
if you want, But that kind of stuff, you try
it out for yourself and then you see, you see
what works for you.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's amazing. It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Well, my friends, thanks for enduring some of my rambling
on this one. The clock has finally got us. Now,
let's all of us try to manifest a very positive
experience for the next at least the next week. Come on,
take a deep breath, if you can, close your eyes,
and let's all listen to the good Fortune tone. That's
(53:03):
it for this edition of the show. Follow me at
Joshua P. Warren Plus visit joshuapwarren dot com to sign
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Curiosity Shop. All at Joshuapwarren dot com. I have a
(53:23):
fun one lined up for you next time, I promise,
So please tell all your friends to subscribe to this
show and to always remember the Golden Rule. Thank you
for listening, Thank you for your interest and support. Thank
you for staying curious, and I will talk to you
(53:43):
again soon. You've been listening to Strange Things on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
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