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On this edition of the show. I Killed my new
Doll and Harry Price ghost Hunter. Interesting topic that I've
wanted to get into for quite a while. But let
me start with this topic that makes me very uncomfortable
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to be honest with you, because destroying an artifact goes
against every fiber in my being. I'm a guy who
if anything is As a hoarder, a collector of paranormal
and metaphysical items, I have owned a museum and exhibits
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in all these things, and to me, a last resort
is to destroy something of a paranormal nature. I've only
done it a few times in my life, but this
is the first time I've ever done it to a doll,
and that particularly affected me because it feels almost like
killing a person. And that is because that I have,
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as you should know, reached a point in my life
where I actually do believe that some dolls have spirits.
And I have plenty of dolls that have what I
believe are spirits in them, and some are a little
more on the mischievous side than others. But when you
have something that you think might be trapping something that's
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actually harming you and those around you, you have sort
of perhaps an obligation to take action. And so I'm
going to make this brief and then I probably won't
we'll not talk about this maybe ever again. If you
don't know about this doll that I got, I'm not
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going to go over the whole story. Go back and
listen to episode two ninety four of this podcast called
Strange Things, episode two ninety four. It's titled Joshua just
bought this and it's pretty wild. That will tell you
what I bought. I was traveling earlier this year, traveled
out of the country and back, made various stops, and
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at one point Lauren and I went into a shop
where I purchased a pig doll. It's about a two
foot tall doll with kind of a clay pig head wearing.
It has a soft body with a long black Victorian
mourning dress and the most chilling, creepy, striking blue penetrating
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eyes I have ever seen on a doll. So when
we got this doll, we brought it into our house
and we treated it well, and we even bought a
little chair for it and kept it in our living room.
But the fact of the matter is, the day after
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we bought the doll, Lauren and I started becoming sick,
with Lauren first and then me and I got really,
really sick, so sick that it in fact turned into pneumonia.
In the meantime, two of my friends died. These are
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guys I've known for years, both of them wizards of
their own sort. And I'll talk more about that. Later on,
I finally invented the Joshua P. Warren Wishing machine to
try to pull myself out of this state, and I
had success and everything was looking good. But then right
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after that, bad luck started kicking in again. And I
went to a restaurant and actually I got food from
a restaurant I won't say the restaurant, and I ate
some of the veggies and Laren did not. And the
next day I was really sick again, and I was
worried that I had gotten this parasite that you've heard
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about in veggies. I what to call like cyclo cyclospora,
something like that. So here I am sick again. And now, granted,
there were some good things happening in my life, but
it seemed like every time I was taking a step forward,
I was taking two steps back. And finally, Laurena and
I were sitting in the living room and she looks
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at me and she says, you know, life has been
really hard, starting as soon as we bought that pig doll.
As she said, maybe there is some kind of a
an evil spirit, or at least some kind of spirit
trapped in that doll that needs to be released. Okay,
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And so I thought about what she said, and I
knew what she was implying. So I walked over and
I picked up the pig doll and I sat down,
and I looked this pig doll right in its icy eyes,
a few inches from my face, and I'm telling you,
I got a shudder down my spine. And I tried
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as hard as I could to feel something positive, and
I couldn't. All I felt was negativity and creepiness, and
it started making me angry to be honest with you,
and I said, I think you're right. We need to
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we need to destroy this thing. And now you might say, well, Josh,
you could have just given it to somebody else. Why
would I do that? If I believe this thing might
actually be cursed or have some thing evil in it,
why would I just put it in my storage unit
so that I could pull it out again someday and
deal with it. Sometimes, you know, you get stuck in
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a rut and you just need to change something, and
sometimes you need to destroy things. And I made the decision,
and I said, if I can't feel anything positive when
I use my sixth sense, I feel nothing positive about
this doll, And so I'll tell you what I did
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right then and there. I took the doll, I put
it in a bag. Lauren and I went out back
next to my swimming pool that has a concrete deck
around it, and I put it on the concrete and
I took out a baseball bat, and with that baseball bat,
I smashed this thing into a thousand pieces and threw
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it into my swimming pool. And I was immediately upset.
I didn't feel immediately relieved, but I thought, you know what,
if this is bringing me and the people around me
something negative, it's time to tell you know, we've given
it a couple of months, okay. So after that, I
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went back inside. Lauren took the remnants of this and
we properly disposed of it. Now that has been days ago,
so I can't tell you for certain how this will
affect things. But I can tell you one thing. I
feel much much better now than I did a few
days ago, and some very positive things are happening very
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quickly since we did that. So I hated to do it.
Maybe someday I'll tell you about the other things that
I've had to destroy. And you know, it makes me
feel bad to have to take something that would be
interesting for study and get rid of it like that.
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But you know, I think you understand why I did it,
and it's done, so I will not be talking about
that topic again, at least for a long long time,
all right. Why do we take these things seriously? Why
does somebody like myself take this stuff seriously? Well, you know,
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it's really because that it's clear to me. As modern
science has advanced and we have investigated paranormal phenomena more
and more, we are confirming more and more that it's real.
Quantum physics alone justifies that. I've talked about that many
times before. Modern science reinforces these paranormal phenomena that people
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have been describing since the dawn of time. And one
of the reasons is because there have been some respectable
people in our past who became psychical investigators and started
lending some credence to this topic. And one of them
was an Englishman named Harry Price. He was born in
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eighteen eighty one in London. He died in nineteen forty
eight when he was sixty seven years old. He died
of a massive sudden heart attack. And I bet I
know why after some of the things that he saw
in his life. He was If you look at old
black and white pictures of the guy, I mean, he
just looked like a very distinguished English gentleman, clean shaven,
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receding hairline, usually wearing a three piece suit. And I
think that, you know, one of the reasons I always
found him interesting is he was kind of one of
the first models. He may have been the model for
the modern day ghost hunter, the modern day paranormal investigator
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that tries to bring the scientific method to these things
that other people scoff at, that gets a toolkit, that
gets the bag that's got the flower and the camera
and the compasses. And there's actually a picture of his
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ghost hunting kit somewhere out there. I can't tell what
all's in it. I wonder if that's still around. Okay,
we're up on a break. When we come back, I'm
going to tell you a little bit more about Harry
Price and some of the things that he discovered and
what made his work so interesting. And if you don't
know who he is, well you might want to look
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that we're at. Your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren,
beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in sen City,
Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is Golden and Every
Night of Silver Gietato Zume, And I want to point
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out something just because that I ended up destroying that
pig doll, I in no way have any ill feelings
toward the folks who sold that doll to me. They
were very nice and I have nothing but respect for them.
But they, you know, they operated a business that had
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all kinds of unusual things that came through, and you know,
they told me that the doll was haunted. They fully
disclosed this, but you know, so I don't you know,
I could have just as easily sold somebody that doll
and their positions, so I definitely don't you know, don't
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think that they had any role to play in this.
Back in nineteen ninety five, there was this movie that
came out called Haunted, starring Aiden Quinn and Kate Beckhamsal.
This is back before I guess anybody really knew who
Kate Beckhasal was. And in this movie Haunted, Aiding Quinn plays.
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He plays this parapsychologist and I believe is modeled after
Harry Price and Aiden Quinn his character. He goes into
this manner that's supposed to be haunted and meets all
of these eccentric people who live there, and he is
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kind of always trying to debunk what's happening there. That's
what you should do, really, Olcom's Razor. You know, the
simplest explanation is usually the correct one. And I'm not
going to spoil the movie for you, but I thought
it was a really good movie. And again, as soon
as I watched it back in nineteen ninety five, I
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thought immediately like, well, they are sort of basing this
character on Harry Price. And what's interesting is that a
few years later, I worked on a movie set in
western North Carolina, where I'm from. I was technical on
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that movie set. I wasn't in front of the camera,
but I was there for a good part of the production.
And that movie was called Song Catcher and it starred
Aiding Quinn. And so the first time I met Aiden Quinn,
and speaking of clear blue eyes, if you know who
I'm talking about, well, look, those aren't contact lenses. He
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really has eyes like that. As soon as I met
him and shook his hand, he was a very very nice,
pleasant guy. I said, one of my favorite movies that
you were in was the movie Haunted, and his eyes
popped up and wide, and he said, wow, somebody actually
saw that. And I don't see the numbers here in
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front of me in terms of like box office seals
or whatever, but he obviously was. He was shocked that.
I guess I was like the first person who ever
walked up and that was the movie. You know that
came out of my mouth. One of these days, I
might tell you some more stories about strange things I've
experienced on movie sets, because I used to do a
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lot of work on movie sets, even if it was
just being an extra or production assistant. I mean, you know,
when I was a teenager moving into my early twenties.
I mean like that's how I kind of learned as
much as possible about the production process that served me
fairly well later in life. But getting back to Harry Price,
here's sort of an overview of Harry Price, British ghost hunter,
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psychic researcher and conjuror. I'm gonna tell you about one
of his most I guess, his most famous case in
a minute. But he developed an early fascination with stage magic,
you know, magic tricks and the paranormal, after seeing a
magic show when he was eight. He worked a lot
of different jobs like a journalist and salesman, and until
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finally using his interests to start debunking fraudulent mediums. And
so it's not a surprise that he kind of he
kind of rosed prominence because he befriended Harry Houdini to
help expose trickery used by false clairvoyance. So that was
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the modus operandi for psychical research at that time. You
learned some magic tricks, you go out there and you
debunk the frauds, because there were plenty of them. But
Harry Price also did believe that there was a spiritual
world and there were things that happened that could be legitimate.
I don't know that Houdini ever really believed that, but
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you know, he did all kinds of interesting things. He
revitalized the Historic Ghost Club. He was a part of
the Society for Psychical Research, which I actually used to
be a part of myself many years ago. And then gosh,
I don't know what happened. I just I moved or
something and we fell out of contact. That was all
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that was back in the day before email, when he
had you had to open the mailbox. But he had
a really interesting life. You should just go and you
know this is a podcast, so I can't really dig
into all the specifics, but go read about Harry Price.
But his most famous case was the haunting of Borley Rectory. Now,
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a rectory is an official residence provided by a church
for its clergy members, such as our rector, priest or parson.
And most of these rectories are located conveniently close to
the church building and the lower floors often house the
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parish offices. So we're talking about a house for people
who work at the church to stay in. And Bourley
Rectory was haunted, so it was considered so haunted that
most people, especially in the media, called it the most
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haunted house in Britain. Right. A Victorian red brick mansion
in Essex, England famously dubbed the most haunted house in England. Okay,
so after decades of reported ghostly activity, phantom phenomena, and
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a famous investigation by psychic researcher Harry Price, it became
very well known and infamous. Built in eighteen sixty two
by the Reverend Henry Dawson Ellis Bull next to the
Borley Church. And you may or may not know that
I have written a couple of novels in my life.
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One of them is called The Evil in Asheville. That's
the town where I'm from. And it's interesting because Asheville
has an E in the middle, So Asheville literally has
the word evil right in the middle of it. Ash
E V I L L E. And it's a horror
novel that you can buy. You should be able to
buy out Amazon. I think it's still available. And the
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main character, the bad guy, is named Borley, and that
is a nod to Borley Rectory. So this rectory was
occupied by this family for over sixty years and during
which time the people reported seeing a ghostly nun on
the grounds. This got a lot of notoriety in the
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late nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. And there was a
reverend whose wife reported violent physical disturbances and riding on
the walls. That wouldn't that be one of the creepiest
things riding on the wall. So here are some of
the things that people say. What was happening there. There
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was a nun, a creepy nun. And I guess some
of you have seen that movie The Nun, so just
imagine something like that. There's a creepy nun floating around.
There was unexplained bell, ringing, lots of flying objects, a
ghostly coach and horses, so we're talking about a phantom
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horse draw carriage moving near the property. There were apparitions
of other figures seen nobody knows who they were, moving
and throwing items, bell, clanging, physical disturbances. One resident, Marianne Foster,
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reported being thrown from her bed or locked in rooms
without keys. Now let's get back to the what are
these mysterious writings? Well, it says wall messages. Unexplained pencil
and chalk messages appeared on the walls, such as pleas
for help directed at residence. That's even creepier, isn't it,
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Because you know, I guess it'd be the kind of
thing if you if you found a ghostly message on
your wall. I suppose it would be either one of
those like get out, which would suck, or help me.
Either one of those is not good. But yeah, lots
of unexplained noises, unidentified footsteps, heavy thuds, unearthly scratching noises
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echoing through the halls. So Harry Price went there and
he started doing his investigation. And I'm not sure how
long he stayed there. I'm sure it was off and
on for months or even years. And he said that
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he was able to document many of these things, thrown stones,
shattering windows, moving vases, sightings of the wandering nun and
the headless coachman. Now they thought that many of these
things may have been due to natural causes like rats
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or whatever. But you know what, I have two of
Harry Price's books right here in my hands. One of
them is called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter. The other
one is called The Story of Borley Rectory, the most
Haunted House in England. When we come back, I'm going
to tell you what he says about this stuff and
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what he documented, and then what happened to that place.
I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on
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and I'll be back after these important messages. Welcome back
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Joshua P. Warren, and this is this show where the
unusual becomes usual. So Harry Price documented all of these
amazing things there. But you know what, The Boorly Rectory
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was heavily damaged by a mysterious fire in nineteen thirty nine,
and the ruins were subsequently demolished in nineteen forty four. However,
when it was being demolished, there was a Life magazine
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photographer on the scene named David Sherman, and apparently he
was the one who took a famous photograph. And I'm
looking at it right now. You can see he is
he will. It's an old black and white photo. Of course,
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We're looking at a side of the rectory in ruins,
and there very clearly appears to be a white brick
levitating in mid air. And all these people had said
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that that was one of the things that would happen
around there. You'd have levitating objects, you'd have flying objects.
And as a matter of fact, Harry Price featured this
image in his second book The End of Borley Rectory,
presenting it cautiously and potentially as quote the first photograph
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ever taken of a Poltergeist projectile in flight end quote.
Of course, skeptics said, well, this could have just been
a regular brick thrown by a workman tearing down walls,
behind the scenes or whatever. It's hard to analyze that
you need the original negative. It doesn't look like it's
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blurry or anything though. I mean, if you just get
online and look up Borly Rectory brick photo or floating
brick photo, you should be able to find it. I
don't know if this is in the public domain or not,
so otherwise I would maybe post it somewhere for you.
But they say a picture can be worth a thousand words,
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and in this case, it certainly made an impact. I
think that this image made more people than ever feel
that Borly Rectory was actually haunted, that we may have
a photograph of of a brick levitating an air there,
or maybe it was just a stunt that was done
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to hype up an article. I have a couple of
Harry Price's books in front of me. I tell you
what surprised me. I was reading this one called Confessions
of a Ghost Hunter, and I'm going to be honest
with you, he was not the greatest writer. A lot
of writers back in his time, and especially frankly people,
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I think a lot of English writers were very long
winded and it's kind of hard to follow the point
of the sentence. The structure seems a little too rambling.
So I have trouble just sitting down and like digging
into his books. I think he needed a really good editor.
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But there's some really interesting content here. This book published
called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter, first published in nineteen
thirty six. I tell you what surprised me the most.
He's talking about all of his experiences throughout his life,
and he's talking about different types of phenomena, and there
are some interesting illustrations, and he even has like kind
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of I guess, almost schematics in great details for devices
that he created. I mean, at one point he said
that he was able to send information from one point
in space time to another point in space time, almost
in a quantum way. I mean. But what surprised me
most is there's this section and I didn't know this.
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I'd never realized this before. I never heard about this
until I started reading this book. It's called New Light
on the Abrams Magic Box. He is writing about what
we call wishing machines. It was doctor Albert Abrams who
kind of pioneered this whole thing about wishing machines, and
Harry Price was experimenting with wishing machines way back toward
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the beginning of all this and looking into the idea
of radionics and psionics and how that mind machines could work.
And he gives great detail on how some of these
devices created and some of the success that he has
had experimenting with them. That was a big surprise to me.
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So anybody, I bet even doctor Moulder doesn't know that.
So if after doctor Moulder hears this, maybe he'll get
this book called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter and see
if he can learn something about you know, something from
Harry Price's work. He built this thing called the detector,
and he's got a picture of it here, a one
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ounce glass bottle with a vulcanite or rubber cork. He
talks about the electrodes, various substances you put into it
to create etheric reactions that you can feel with your hands.
We got to try to build some of this stuff.
But here's what he wrote about the Borley Rectory. I
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have this other book right now. It's called the Story
of Borley Rectory, the most Haunted House in England. This
was first published by him in nineteen and here is
what he writes. Can the phenomena be explained. Is it possible,
on any hypothesis to explain the amazing events that have
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occurred at Boorley during the past seventy years. Personally, I
do not believe that any one theory will cover all
of the observed facts. Undoubtedly, the major and most spectacular
of the Borly phenomena, excluding the appearance of the nun
and other phanfasms, were, or are, the work of poultergeists,
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those mischievous entities whose pranks are usually as noisy as
they are senseless. The throwing or displacement of articles are
common manifestations. The word Poultergeist comes from the German verb
poultern to rattle and geist, which means a spirit, and
the term is a very appropriate one. He then goes
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on to say, but if the Boorly stone throwing, furniture moving,
bottle dropping, hair ruffling, bell ringing, belt raising, soap pitching,
and door locking annoyances were due to a poltergeister, as
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I am certain they were, I doubt if these playful
little fellows were responsible for the shufflings, scrabblings, thumps, thuds, footsteps,
swishings of clothing, code tapping, wall writings, and similar phenomena.
I believe that they were caused by the persisting remnants
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of the egos or personalities. The reader can call them
spirits if he pleases. With some portions of intelligence still
retained of persons who once were associated with the rectory
or with some building formerly on the same site, I
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think is or was, up to the time of its
destruction by fire, saturated with such emanations. He says, he
doesn't pretend to understand how this persisting ego effect can
adjust its immaterial elements to write a message. But anyway,
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he says, you know, this is a guy who was
a debunker and he concluded that was happening. So may said,
what's there today? Does somebody live there today on the grounds? Well?
I looked it up and here is what they say today.
The Borley Rectory is an empty plot of land featuring
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an empty private residential property slash private cottage, nearby open
fields and overgrown gardens situated directly opposit the historic Borley
Church at Essex, England. And uh says here so the
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church is still there? It says that the twelfth century
Borly Church still stands right next to the former grounds,
though it is usually kept locked to deter trespassers and
ghost hunters, says one of the one visitor posted on Facebook.
Quote Currently the site is an empty plot opposite Borley Church,
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with overgrown gardens and Reverend Bulls Grave nearby. Some believe
parts of the house still stand. Quote HM, so uh
if any of you have actually been to the site
of the old Borley Rectory and uh, and you have
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any interesting things to report, well, well let me know.
I surely do. Goodness, somebody out there would would want
to buy that land and study it. I if it
weren't so far away, I might even do it myself.
I'm not opposed to owning a haunted piece of land,
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you know. I just don't like cursed things like zach Began's.
Doesn't care. He you know, he'll buy anything. But there
is some reality to this spiritual realm, and there are
masters who know this, people who will tell you about it,
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people who studied it their whole lives. One of them
was one of my good friends who just passed away.
He was one of the people I mentioned to you
who passed away. Santo David Longley died on June twenty
eighth of twenty twenty six. At age eighty two. I
interviewed him twice on this podcast called Strange Things. The
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first one was episode sixteen and that was called Meet
a Real Santero. And then I interviewed him again on
episode one two and that was called this Object Contains
a Living Spirit. When we come back from this break,
I'm going to tell you more about the weird way
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in which I met him and more about his fascinating life.
I'm Joshua Pete Warren, and you're listening to Strange Things
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network,
and I will be right back. Welcome back to the
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final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I
am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And yes, my friend,
and I should say our friend friend to us Ault Santero.
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David Walter Longley died June twenty eighth of twenty twenty
six at age eighty two. I think I first met
him in Puerto Rico around two thousand and eight, so
we'll say around eighteen years ago. I produced a paranormal
cruise that visited Puerto Rico as a stop, and I
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love Puerto Rico so much that I flew back down
there and spent a week exploring. And a friend introduced
me to a tour guide named Manuel, who took me
on a road trip to explore the tropical rainforest. And
Manuel brought along this eccentric Santaro. And if you don't know,
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Santaro is a minister from the Islands. To learn more
about that, go back and listen to episode sixteen of
this show. Anyway, Santaro named David Longley and who happened
to be renting a room from Manuel. So here I
get in this van with Manuel, and here is Santaro Longley,
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this little slim old man with a white beard, dressed
completely in loose white clothes and a white brimless cap,
covered in all kinds of beads and jewelry, silver and turquoise.
And we started talking, and I was shocked to find
out this Santaro was from Asheville, North Carolina, my own hometown.
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What on earth were the chances? Turns out he'd traveled
quite a bit around this Earth, and so we immediately
had this sort of synchronistic connection that we'd ended up
at the same place at the same time. Of course,
I ended up moving to Puerto Rico for years, and
I discovered that David was an astounding artist. He really
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disliked technology, so he was quite secluded. He would take
inks and paints and sit in his studio and create
some of the most intricate, giant wall artwork, implementing sacred
geometry and all kinds of ancient, almost psychedelic designs, the
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likes of which I had never seen. He would invite
me and Lauren to his house for dinner. Sometimes he
was a great cook, and he'd show us his incredible
collection of gems and minerals and sacred objects, and you know,
those were exciting times. And occasionally I would bring small
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groups to Puerto Rico for expeditions, and one time I
brought down a very small group for a retreat, and
a lady named Fran, who has been a big supporter
of my work for a long time and is one
of the most wonderful, intelligent, loving people I have ever known,
attended this retreat and she lives in western North Carolina,
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and Fran and David hit it off. And then after
the terrible hurricane in Puerto Rico. David ended up moving
from Puerto Rico, really going full circle to spend the
last years of his life with Fran at her mountain
home there in western North Carolina. He started there, had
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this epic journey for all these decades, and he ended
back there in the mountains of western North Carolina. And
those final years of his life were magical. He would
send me amazing artwork and wand's and all kinds of
things he was creating. And he was just always a
really great and true friend to me all those years.
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He and Frand would fly all the way out here
to my events in Las Vegas, and I mean, we
just share some wonderful memories, and I could easily talk
for an hour about Santio David Longley and all of
my experiences with him. But that's why I at least
suggest you go back and listen to those episodes where
I interviewed him again. Those are episodes sixteen and one
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ninety two. Here are some bits from his obituary. On
June twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, David Walter Longley eighty
two passed away peacefully in Marshall, North Carolina. He was
born in Newburgh, New York. As an adult, he lived
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in Florida and Ashville, North Carolina. He graduated from A. G.
Edwards High School. At seventeen, his art was exhibited in
the Asheville Art Museum, at which time he was invited
to become a member of the Rotary Club. After high school,
he enlisted in the Army. It was honorably discharged September
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of nineteen sixty five. He returned to Ashville and worked
at the Billy Graham Radio station, helping in the mailroom
while continuing his artistic studies. Later he spent time in Texas.
His illustrations for House Beautiful magazine were published in nineteen
sixty nine. He moved to New York City, where he
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worked for Coco Jewelry Company all kinds of big companies.
Then he moved to San Francisco in nineteen seventy three,
perfected watercolor illustrations. He worked as a framer and opened
a business. After he retired, he moved to Puerto Rico.
He worked part time as a tour guide and continued
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his study of the rainforest. His watercolor paintings are part
of the permanent collection in the Hunt Institute for botanical
documentations in Pittsburgh, and he has collections in the Smithsonian
Institution and the Journal of Romiliad Study Group in Northern California.
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While in Puerto Rico, he studied the Santa Ria religion,
and I believe for that by the way I think
he told me he went to Cuba for his actual initiation.
What to go back and listen to that interview, but
he gained the title of Santero Longley. After Hurricane Maria
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occurred in Puerto Rico, he returned to Asheville to continue
his spiritual studies with the First Baptist Church of Asheville,
and his painting interests widened to illustrating sacred geometry designs.
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Here's what happened to him. David was a heavy smoker's
entire life, and he ended up with one cancer that
eventually spread and he ultimately died from brain tumors. Since
he was a veteran, he was buried with honors and
the minister read from passages from the Bible Exodus chapter
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thirty through thirty five about about using God given talent
for a higher purpose. And Frand told me that she
put on his tombstone quote a life artfully lived rest
in peace. End quote. But you know, although I'm sad,
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I feel great about his experience because he lived a
legendary mystical life full of excitement and he loved it.
And I can't imagine how excited he must be to
finally explore the next new dimension. So think about this
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in this day and age, when we now push a
button to create AI art in ten seconds. He spent
a lifetime meditating and channeling the genuine, the genuine spiritual
world and expressing it patiently, meticulously with his warm human hands,
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and he left us all those gifts. So thank you
for your friendship, David, and have fun enjoying the new
kaleidoscope of divine and cosmic art. You all always tried
to imagine and show the rest of us while you
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were here, so I hope you'll all join me. Let's
all have a moment of silence to remember the great
Santero David Longley and thank him for his work. You know,
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they say that life is not about the destination, it's
about the journey. But I think the destination is important
as well, Okay, I mean like the journey. Yeah, the
journey is important and the destination's important, But maybe the
destination is actually more important because that's where you end up.
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And the journey can get good and bad and rocky,
and you can stumble all over the place. But I
think that you know he is in a great destination
right now. That's what I believe. Oh well, uh so
the clock has got us. Therefore, let's all think positively
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each of us, as you can close your eyes at
very least take a deep breath, and let us all
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On this edition of the show. I Killed my new
Doll and Harry Price ghost Hunter. Interesting topic that I've
wanted to get into for quite a while. But let
me start with this topic that makes me very uncomfortable
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to be honest with you, because destroying an artifact goes
against every fiber in my being. I'm a guy who
if anything is As a hoarder, a collector of paranormal
and metaphysical items, I have owned a museum and exhibits
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in all these things, and to me, a last resort
is to destroy something of a paranormal nature. I've only
done it a few times in my life, but this
is the first time I've ever done it to a doll,
and that particularly affected me because it feels almost like
killing a person. And that is because that I have,
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as you should know, reached a point in my life
where I actually do believe that some dolls have spirits.
And I have plenty of dolls that have what I
believe are spirits in them, and some are a little
more on the mischievous side than others. But when you
have something that you think might be trapping something that's
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actually harming you and those around you, you have sort
of perhaps an obligation to take action. And so I'm
going to make this brief and then I probably won't
we'll not talk about this maybe ever again. If you
don't know about this doll that I got, I'm not
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going to go over the whole story. Go back and
listen to episode two ninety four of this podcast called
Strange Things, episode two ninety four. It's titled Joshua just
bought this and it's pretty wild. That will tell you
what I bought. I was traveling earlier this year, traveled
out of the country and back, made various stops, and
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at one point Lauren and I went into a shop
where I purchased a pig doll. It's about a two
foot tall doll with kind of a clay pig head wearing.
It has a soft body with a long black Victorian
mourning dress and the most chilling, creepy, striking blue penetrating
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eyes I have ever seen on a doll. So when
we got this doll, we brought it into our house
and we treated it well, and we even bought a
little chair for it and kept it in our living room.
But the fact of the matter is, the day after
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we bought the doll, Lauren and I started becoming sick,
with Lauren first and then me and I got really,
really sick, so sick that it in fact turned into pneumonia.
In the meantime, two of my friends died. These are
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guys I've known for years, both of them wizards of
their own sort. And I'll talk more about that. Later on,
I finally invented the Joshua P. Warren Wishing machine to
try to pull myself out of this state, and I
had success and everything was looking good. But then right
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after that, bad luck started kicking in again. And I
went to a restaurant and actually I got food from
a restaurant I won't say the restaurant, and I ate
some of the veggies and Laren did not. And the
next day I was really sick again, and I was
worried that I had gotten this parasite that you've heard
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about in veggies. I what to call like cyclo cyclospora,
something like that. So here I am sick again. And now, granted,
there were some good things happening in my life, but
it seemed like every time I was taking a step forward,
I was taking two steps back. And finally, Laurena and
I were sitting in the living room and she looks
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at me and she says, you know, life has been
really hard, starting as soon as we bought that pig doll.
As she said, maybe there is some kind of a
an evil spirit, or at least some kind of spirit
trapped in that doll that needs to be released. Okay,
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And so I thought about what she said, and I
knew what she was implying. So I walked over and
I picked up the pig doll and I sat down,
and I looked this pig doll right in its icy eyes,
a few inches from my face, and I'm telling you,
I got a shudder down my spine. And I tried
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as hard as I could to feel something positive, and
I couldn't. All I felt was negativity and creepiness, and
it started making me angry to be honest with you,
and I said, I think you're right. We need to
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we need to destroy this thing. And now you might say, well, Josh,
you could have just given it to somebody else. Why
would I do that? If I believe this thing might
actually be cursed or have some thing evil in it,
why would I just put it in my storage unit
so that I could pull it out again someday and
deal with it. Sometimes, you know, you get stuck in
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a rut and you just need to change something, and
sometimes you need to destroy things. And I made the decision,
and I said, if I can't feel anything positive when
I use my sixth sense, I feel nothing positive about
this doll, And so I'll tell you what I did
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right then and there. I took the doll, I put
it in a bag. Lauren and I went out back
next to my swimming pool that has a concrete deck
around it, and I put it on the concrete and
I took out a baseball bat, and with that baseball bat,
I smashed this thing into a thousand pieces and threw
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it into my swimming pool. And I was immediately upset.
I didn't feel immediately relieved, but I thought, you know what,
if this is bringing me and the people around me
something negative, it's time to tell you know, we've given
it a couple of months, okay. So after that, I
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went back inside. Lauren took the remnants of this and
we properly disposed of it. Now that has been days ago,
so I can't tell you for certain how this will
affect things. But I can tell you one thing. I
feel much much better now than I did a few
days ago, and some very positive things are happening very
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quickly since we did that. So I hated to do it.
Maybe someday I'll tell you about the other things that
I've had to destroy. And you know, it makes me
feel bad to have to take something that would be
interesting for study and get rid of it like that.
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But you know, I think you understand why I did it,
and it's done, so I will not be talking about
that topic again, at least for a long long time,
all right. Why do we take these things seriously? Why
does somebody like myself take this stuff seriously? Well, you know,
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it's really because that it's clear to me. As modern
science has advanced and we have investigated paranormal phenomena more
and more, we are confirming more and more that it's real.
Quantum physics alone justifies that. I've talked about that many
times before. Modern science reinforces these paranormal phenomena that people
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have been describing since the dawn of time. And one
of the reasons is because there have been some respectable
people in our past who became psychical investigators and started
lending some credence to this topic. And one of them
was an Englishman named Harry Price. He was born in
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eighteen eighty one in London. He died in nineteen forty
eight when he was sixty seven years old. He died
of a massive sudden heart attack. And I bet I
know why after some of the things that he saw
in his life. He was If you look at old
black and white pictures of the guy, I mean, he
just looked like a very distinguished English gentleman, clean shaven,
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receding hairline, usually wearing a three piece suit. And I
think that, you know, one of the reasons I always
found him interesting is he was kind of one of
the first models. He may have been the model for
the modern day ghost hunter, the modern day paranormal investigator
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that tries to bring the scientific method to these things
that other people scoff at, that gets a toolkit, that
gets the bag that's got the flower and the camera
and the compasses. And there's actually a picture of his
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ghost hunting kit somewhere out there. I can't tell what
all's in it. I wonder if that's still around. Okay,
we're up on a break. When we come back, I'm
going to tell you a little bit more about Harry
Price and some of the things that he discovered and
what made his work so interesting. And if you don't
know who he is, well you might want to look
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Night of Silver Gietato Zume, And I want to point
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out something just because that I ended up destroying that
pig doll, I in no way have any ill feelings
toward the folks who sold that doll to me. They
were very nice and I have nothing but respect for them.
But they, you know, they operated a business that had
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all kinds of unusual things that came through, and you know,
they told me that the doll was haunted. They fully
disclosed this, but you know, so I don't you know,
I could have just as easily sold somebody that doll
and their positions, so I definitely don't you know, don't
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think that they had any role to play in this.
Back in nineteen ninety five, there was this movie that
came out called Haunted, starring Aiden Quinn and Kate Beckhamsal.
This is back before I guess anybody really knew who
Kate Beckhasal was. And in this movie Haunted, Aiding Quinn plays.
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He plays this parapsychologist and I believe is modeled after
Harry Price and Aiden Quinn his character. He goes into
this manner that's supposed to be haunted and meets all
of these eccentric people who live there, and he is
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kind of always trying to debunk what's happening there. That's
what you should do, really, Olcom's Razor. You know, the
simplest explanation is usually the correct one. And I'm not
going to spoil the movie for you, but I thought
it was a really good movie. And again, as soon
as I watched it back in nineteen ninety five, I
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thought immediately like, well, they are sort of basing this
character on Harry Price. And what's interesting is that a
few years later, I worked on a movie set in
western North Carolina, where I'm from. I was technical on
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that movie set. I wasn't in front of the camera,
but I was there for a good part of the production.
And that movie was called Song Catcher and it starred
Aiding Quinn. And so the first time I met Aiden Quinn,
and speaking of clear blue eyes, if you know who
I'm talking about, well, look, those aren't contact lenses. He
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really has eyes like that. As soon as I met
him and shook his hand, he was a very very nice,
pleasant guy. I said, one of my favorite movies that
you were in was the movie Haunted, and his eyes
popped up and wide, and he said, wow, somebody actually
saw that. And I don't see the numbers here in
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front of me in terms of like box office seals
or whatever, but he obviously was. He was shocked that.
I guess I was like the first person who ever
walked up and that was the movie. You know that
came out of my mouth. One of these days, I
might tell you some more stories about strange things I've
experienced on movie sets, because I used to do a
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lot of work on movie sets, even if it was
just being an extra or production assistant. I mean, you know,
when I was a teenager moving into my early twenties.
I mean like that's how I kind of learned as
much as possible about the production process that served me
fairly well later in life. But getting back to Harry Price,
here's sort of an overview of Harry Price, British ghost hunter,
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psychic researcher and conjuror. I'm gonna tell you about one
of his most I guess, his most famous case in
a minute. But he developed an early fascination with stage magic,
you know, magic tricks and the paranormal, after seeing a
magic show when he was eight. He worked a lot
of different jobs like a journalist and salesman, and until
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finally using his interests to start debunking fraudulent mediums. And
so it's not a surprise that he kind of he
kind of rosed prominence because he befriended Harry Houdini to
help expose trickery used by false clairvoyance. So that was
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the modus operandi for psychical research at that time. You
learned some magic tricks, you go out there and you
debunk the frauds, because there were plenty of them. But
Harry Price also did believe that there was a spiritual
world and there were things that happened that could be legitimate.
I don't know that Houdini ever really believed that, but
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you know, he did all kinds of interesting things. He
revitalized the Historic Ghost Club. He was a part of
the Society for Psychical Research, which I actually used to
be a part of myself many years ago. And then gosh,
I don't know what happened. I just I moved or
something and we fell out of contact. That was all
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that was back in the day before email, when he
had you had to open the mailbox. But he had
a really interesting life. You should just go and you
know this is a podcast, so I can't really dig
into all the specifics, but go read about Harry Price.
But his most famous case was the haunting of Borley Rectory. Now,
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a rectory is an official residence provided by a church
for its clergy members, such as our rector, priest or parson.
And most of these rectories are located conveniently close to
the church building and the lower floors often house the
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parish offices. So we're talking about a house for people
who work at the church to stay in. And Bourley
Rectory was haunted, so it was considered so haunted that
most people, especially in the media, called it the most
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haunted house in Britain. Right. A Victorian red brick mansion
in Essex, England famously dubbed the most haunted house in England. Okay,
so after decades of reported ghostly activity, phantom phenomena, and
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a famous investigation by psychic researcher Harry Price, it became
very well known and infamous. Built in eighteen sixty two
by the Reverend Henry Dawson Ellis Bull next to the
Borley Church. And you may or may not know that
I have written a couple of novels in my life.
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One of them is called The Evil in Asheville. That's
the town where I'm from. And it's interesting because Asheville
has an E in the middle, So Asheville literally has
the word evil right in the middle of it. Ash
E V I L L E. And it's a horror
novel that you can buy. You should be able to
buy out Amazon. I think it's still available. And the
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main character, the bad guy, is named Borley, and that
is a nod to Borley Rectory. So this rectory was
occupied by this family for over sixty years and during
which time the people reported seeing a ghostly nun on
the grounds. This got a lot of notoriety in the
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late nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. And there was a
reverend whose wife reported violent physical disturbances and riding on
the walls. That wouldn't that be one of the creepiest
things riding on the wall. So here are some of
the things that people say. What was happening there. There
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was a nun, a creepy nun. And I guess some
of you have seen that movie The Nun, so just
imagine something like that. There's a creepy nun floating around.
There was unexplained bell, ringing, lots of flying objects, a
ghostly coach and horses, so we're talking about a phantom
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horse draw carriage moving near the property. There were apparitions
of other figures seen nobody knows who they were, moving
and throwing items, bell, clanging, physical disturbances. One resident, Marianne Foster,
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reported being thrown from her bed or locked in rooms
without keys. Now let's get back to the what are
these mysterious writings? Well, it says wall messages. Unexplained pencil
and chalk messages appeared on the walls, such as pleas
for help directed at residence. That's even creepier, isn't it,
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Because you know, I guess it'd be the kind of
thing if you if you found a ghostly message on
your wall. I suppose it would be either one of
those like get out, which would suck, or help me.
Either one of those is not good. But yeah, lots
of unexplained noises, unidentified footsteps, heavy thuds, unearthly scratching noises
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echoing through the halls. So Harry Price went there and
he started doing his investigation. And I'm not sure how
long he stayed there. I'm sure it was off and
on for months or even years. And he said that
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he was able to document many of these things, thrown stones,
shattering windows, moving vases, sightings of the wandering nun and
the headless coachman. Now they thought that many of these
things may have been due to natural causes like rats
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or whatever. But you know what, I have two of
Harry Price's books right here in my hands. One of
them is called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter. The other
one is called The Story of Borley Rectory, the most
Haunted House in England. When we come back, I'm going
to tell you what he says about this stuff and
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what he documented, and then what happened to that place.
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Joshua P. Warren, and this is this show where the
unusual becomes usual. So Harry Price documented all of these
amazing things there. But you know what, The Boorly Rectory
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was heavily damaged by a mysterious fire in nineteen thirty nine,
and the ruins were subsequently demolished in nineteen forty four. However,
when it was being demolished, there was a Life magazine
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photographer on the scene named David Sherman, and apparently he
was the one who took a famous photograph. And I'm
looking at it right now. You can see he is
he will. It's an old black and white photo. Of course,
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We're looking at a side of the rectory in ruins,
and there very clearly appears to be a white brick
levitating in mid air. And all these people had said
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that that was one of the things that would happen
around there. You'd have levitating objects, you'd have flying objects.
And as a matter of fact, Harry Price featured this
image in his second book The End of Borley Rectory,
presenting it cautiously and potentially as quote the first photograph
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ever taken of a Poltergeist projectile in flight end quote.
Of course, skeptics said, well, this could have just been
a regular brick thrown by a workman tearing down walls,
behind the scenes or whatever. It's hard to analyze that
you need the original negative. It doesn't look like it's
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blurry or anything though. I mean, if you just get
online and look up Borly Rectory brick photo or floating
brick photo, you should be able to find it. I
don't know if this is in the public domain or not,
so otherwise I would maybe post it somewhere for you.
But they say a picture can be worth a thousand words,
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and in this case, it certainly made an impact. I
think that this image made more people than ever feel
that Borly Rectory was actually haunted, that we may have
a photograph of of a brick levitating an air there,
or maybe it was just a stunt that was done
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to hype up an article. I have a couple of
Harry Price's books in front of me. I tell you
what surprised me. I was reading this one called Confessions
of a Ghost Hunter, and I'm going to be honest
with you, he was not the greatest writer. A lot
of writers back in his time, and especially frankly people,
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I think a lot of English writers were very long
winded and it's kind of hard to follow the point
of the sentence. The structure seems a little too rambling.
So I have trouble just sitting down and like digging
into his books. I think he needed a really good editor.
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But there's some really interesting content here. This book published
called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter, first published in nineteen
thirty six. I tell you what surprised me the most.
He's talking about all of his experiences throughout his life,
and he's talking about different types of phenomena, and there
are some interesting illustrations, and he even has like kind
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of I guess, almost schematics in great details for devices
that he created. I mean, at one point he said
that he was able to send information from one point
in space time to another point in space time, almost
in a quantum way. I mean. But what surprised me
most is there's this section and I didn't know this.
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I'd never realized this before. I never heard about this
until I started reading this book. It's called New Light
on the Abrams Magic Box. He is writing about what
we call wishing machines. It was doctor Albert Abrams who
kind of pioneered this whole thing about wishing machines, and
Harry Price was experimenting with wishing machines way back toward
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the beginning of all this and looking into the idea
of radionics and psionics and how that mind machines could work.
And he gives great detail on how some of these
devices created and some of the success that he has
had experimenting with them. That was a big surprise to me.
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So anybody, I bet even doctor Moulder doesn't know that.
So if after doctor Moulder hears this, maybe he'll get
this book called Confessions of a Ghost Hunter and see
if he can learn something about you know, something from
Harry Price's work. He built this thing called the detector,
and he's got a picture of it here, a one
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ounce glass bottle with a vulcanite or rubber cork. He
talks about the electrodes, various substances you put into it
to create etheric reactions that you can feel with your hands.
We got to try to build some of this stuff.
But here's what he wrote about the Borley Rectory. I
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have this other book right now. It's called the Story
of Borley Rectory, the most Haunted House in England. This
was first published by him in nineteen and here is
what he writes. Can the phenomena be explained. Is it possible,
on any hypothesis to explain the amazing events that have
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occurred at Boorley during the past seventy years. Personally, I
do not believe that any one theory will cover all
of the observed facts. Undoubtedly, the major and most spectacular
of the Borly phenomena, excluding the appearance of the nun
and other phanfasms, were, or are, the work of poultergeists,
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those mischievous entities whose pranks are usually as noisy as
they are senseless. The throwing or displacement of articles are
common manifestations. The word Poultergeist comes from the German verb
poultern to rattle and geist, which means a spirit, and
the term is a very appropriate one. He then goes
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on to say, but if the Boorly stone throwing, furniture moving,
bottle dropping, hair ruffling, bell ringing, belt raising, soap pitching,
and door locking annoyances were due to a poltergeister, as
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I am certain they were, I doubt if these playful
little fellows were responsible for the shufflings, scrabblings, thumps, thuds, footsteps,
swishings of clothing, code tapping, wall writings, and similar phenomena.
I believe that they were caused by the persisting remnants
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of the egos or personalities. The reader can call them
spirits if he pleases. With some portions of intelligence still
retained of persons who once were associated with the rectory
or with some building formerly on the same site, I
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think is or was, up to the time of its
destruction by fire, saturated with such emanations. He says, he
doesn't pretend to understand how this persisting ego effect can
adjust its immaterial elements to write a message. But anyway,
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he says, you know, this is a guy who was
a debunker and he concluded that was happening. So may said,
what's there today? Does somebody live there today on the grounds? Well?
I looked it up and here is what they say today.
The Borley Rectory is an empty plot of land featuring
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an empty private residential property slash private cottage, nearby open
fields and overgrown gardens situated directly opposit the historic Borley
Church at Essex, England. And uh says here so the
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church is still there? It says that the twelfth century
Borly Church still stands right next to the former grounds,
though it is usually kept locked to deter trespassers and
ghost hunters, says one of the one visitor posted on Facebook.
Quote Currently the site is an empty plot opposite Borley Church,
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with overgrown gardens and Reverend Bulls Grave nearby. Some believe
parts of the house still stand. Quote HM, so uh
if any of you have actually been to the site
of the old Borley Rectory and uh, and you have
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any interesting things to report, well, well let me know.
I surely do. Goodness, somebody out there would would want
to buy that land and study it. I if it
weren't so far away, I might even do it myself.
I'm not opposed to owning a haunted piece of land,
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you know. I just don't like cursed things like zach Began's.
Doesn't care. He you know, he'll buy anything. But there
is some reality to this spiritual realm, and there are
masters who know this, people who will tell you about it,
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people who studied it their whole lives. One of them
was one of my good friends who just passed away.
He was one of the people I mentioned to you
who passed away. Santo David Longley died on June twenty
eighth of twenty twenty six. At age eighty two. I
interviewed him twice on this podcast called Strange Things. The
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first one was episode sixteen and that was called Meet
a Real Santero. And then I interviewed him again on
episode one two and that was called this Object Contains
a Living Spirit. When we come back from this break,
I'm going to tell you more about the weird way
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in which I met him and more about his fascinating life.
I'm Joshua Pete Warren, and you're listening to Strange Things
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network,
and I will be right back. Welcome back to the
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final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I
am your host, Joshua P. Warren, And yes, my friend,
and I should say our friend friend to us Ault Santero.
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David Walter Longley died June twenty eighth of twenty twenty
six at age eighty two. I think I first met
him in Puerto Rico around two thousand and eight, so
we'll say around eighteen years ago. I produced a paranormal
cruise that visited Puerto Rico as a stop, and I
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love Puerto Rico so much that I flew back down
there and spent a week exploring. And a friend introduced
me to a tour guide named Manuel, who took me
on a road trip to explore the tropical rainforest. And
Manuel brought along this eccentric Santaro. And if you don't know,
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Santaro is a minister from the Islands. To learn more
about that, go back and listen to episode sixteen of
this show. Anyway, Santaro named David Longley and who happened
to be renting a room from Manuel. So here I
get in this van with Manuel, and here is Santaro Longley,
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this little slim old man with a white beard, dressed
completely in loose white clothes and a white brimless cap,
covered in all kinds of beads and jewelry, silver and turquoise.
And we started talking, and I was shocked to find
out this Santaro was from Asheville, North Carolina, my own hometown.
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What on earth were the chances? Turns out he'd traveled
quite a bit around this Earth, and so we immediately
had this sort of synchronistic connection that we'd ended up
at the same place at the same time. Of course,
I ended up moving to Puerto Rico for years, and
I discovered that David was an astounding artist. He really
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disliked technology, so he was quite secluded. He would take
inks and paints and sit in his studio and create
some of the most intricate, giant wall artwork, implementing sacred
geometry and all kinds of ancient, almost psychedelic designs, the
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likes of which I had never seen. He would invite
me and Lauren to his house for dinner. Sometimes he
was a great cook, and he'd show us his incredible
collection of gems and minerals and sacred objects, and you know,
those were exciting times. And occasionally I would bring small
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groups to Puerto Rico for expeditions, and one time I
brought down a very small group for a retreat, and
a lady named Fran, who has been a big supporter
of my work for a long time and is one
of the most wonderful, intelligent, loving people I have ever known,
attended this retreat and she lives in western North Carolina,
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and Fran and David hit it off. And then after
the terrible hurricane in Puerto Rico. David ended up moving
from Puerto Rico, really going full circle to spend the
last years of his life with Fran at her mountain
home there in western North Carolina. He started there, had
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this epic journey for all these decades, and he ended
back there in the mountains of western North Carolina. And
those final years of his life were magical. He would
send me amazing artwork and wand's and all kinds of
things he was creating. And he was just always a
really great and true friend to me all those years.
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He and Frand would fly all the way out here
to my events in Las Vegas, and I mean, we
just share some wonderful memories, and I could easily talk
for an hour about Santio David Longley and all of
my experiences with him. But that's why I at least
suggest you go back and listen to those episodes where
I interviewed him again. Those are episodes sixteen and one
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ninety two. Here are some bits from his obituary. On
June twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, David Walter Longley eighty
two passed away peacefully in Marshall, North Carolina. He was
born in Newburgh, New York. As an adult, he lived
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in Florida and Ashville, North Carolina. He graduated from A. G.
Edwards High School. At seventeen, his art was exhibited in
the Asheville Art Museum, at which time he was invited
to become a member of the Rotary Club. After high school,
he enlisted in the Army. It was honorably discharged September
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of nineteen sixty five. He returned to Ashville and worked
at the Billy Graham Radio station, helping in the mailroom
while continuing his artistic studies. Later he spent time in Texas.
His illustrations for House Beautiful magazine were published in nineteen
sixty nine. He moved to New York City, where he
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worked for Coco Jewelry Company all kinds of big companies.
Then he moved to San Francisco in nineteen seventy three,
perfected watercolor illustrations. He worked as a framer and opened
a business. After he retired, he moved to Puerto Rico.
He worked part time as a tour guide and continued
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his study of the rainforest. His watercolor paintings are part
of the permanent collection in the Hunt Institute for botanical
documentations in Pittsburgh, and he has collections in the Smithsonian
Institution and the Journal of Romiliad Study Group in Northern California.
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While in Puerto Rico, he studied the Santa Ria religion,
and I believe for that by the way I think
he told me he went to Cuba for his actual initiation.
What to go back and listen to that interview, but
he gained the title of Santero Longley. After Hurricane Maria
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occurred in Puerto Rico, he returned to Asheville to continue
his spiritual studies with the First Baptist Church of Asheville,
and his painting interests widened to illustrating sacred geometry designs.
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Here's what happened to him. David was a heavy smoker's
entire life, and he ended up with one cancer that
eventually spread and he ultimately died from brain tumors. Since
he was a veteran, he was buried with honors and
the minister read from passages from the Bible Exodus chapter
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thirty through thirty five about about using God given talent
for a higher purpose. And Frand told me that she
put on his tombstone quote a life artfully lived rest
in peace. End quote. But you know, although I'm sad,
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I feel great about his experience because he lived a
legendary mystical life full of excitement and he loved it.
And I can't imagine how excited he must be to
finally explore the next new dimension. So think about this
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in this day and age, when we now push a
button to create AI art in ten seconds. He spent
a lifetime meditating and channeling the genuine, the genuine spiritual
world and expressing it patiently, meticulously with his warm human hands,
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and he left us all those gifts. So thank you
for your friendship, David, and have fun enjoying the new
kaleidoscope of divine and cosmic art. You all always tried
to imagine and show the rest of us while you
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were here, so I hope you'll all join me. Let's
all have a moment of silence to remember the great
Santero David Longley and thank him for his work. You know,
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they say that life is not about the destination, it's
about the journey. But I think the destination is important
as well, Okay, I mean like the journey. Yeah, the
journey is important and the destination's important, But maybe the
destination is actually more important because that's where you end up.
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And the journey can get good and bad and rocky,
and you can stumble all over the place. But I
think that you know he is in a great destination
right now. That's what I believe. Oh well, uh so
the clock has got us. Therefore, let's all think positively
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about our lives, about the journey and the destination for
each of us, as you can close your eyes at
very least take a deep breath, and let us all
focus for a moment together on the one, the only,
the world famous, the good Fortune tone. That's it for
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