March 2, 2026 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron and we're
going to be doing our second show without a guest today,
and we're going to revisit this idea of whether or
not intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, or more importantly,
whether or not it's been here. I'll bet these two
burning questions have been in the human imagination since we
very first developed rational thought. Let's start with our universe.
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Current astronomical estimates suggest that our galaxy alone may contain
up to two hundred billion planets. Of those, they say,
roughly sixty billion are thought to be in what scientists
are calling the habitable zone, the region where liquid water
could potentially exist on the surface. And even that definition
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is being very conservative because it assumes life must resemble
us chemically. Scientists openly acknowledge that there may be forms
of life that we haven't yet discovered or don't yet understand. Obviously,
this is all speculative, but just for sake of argument,
and really as a thought experiment, just for fun, not
as any statistical claim. Let's be extremely conservative. Let's say
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the odds of intelligent technological life developing on one of
these habitable zone planets is only a one in a
million chance. That would still give us roughly sixty thousand
potential intelligent civilizations just in our galaxy alone. Based on
deep space observation from the Hubble Space Telescope, NASA has
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estimated that the observable universe contains on the order of
two trillion galaxies. If we apply that same conservative, albeit
very rough math across that scale, we arrive at approximately
one hundred and twenty quadrillian planets that could potentially host
intelligent life similar to ours. That's one hundred and twenty,
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followed by fifteen zeros. Our brains are not even wired
to intuitively grasp exponential scales like that, And again, this
estimate excludes entirely different forms of life that may not
be carbon based, may not use biology the way we do,
or may not even occupy reality in the way we
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currently define it. Quantum mechanics has speculative theories about dimensions
existing in the many many world's theory, but let's just
set all that aside for now. Then there's the notion
of time. Again, we have to think at cosmic scales.
These are order of magnitude estimates, not exact counts. The
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math doesn't prove anything, but it makes the question harder
to ignore. The Earth is approximately four and a half
billion years old. Anatomically modern humans have existed for roughly
three hundred thousand years, whereas human civilizations with writing and
cities and organized societies that's only been around for about
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six thousand years, which would mean that humans have existed
for only point zero zero six percent of Earth's history.
Civilized humans have only been around for point zero zero
zero one percent of Earth's existence, and technologically advanced humans
is even less if we generously define that as beginning.
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Let's say when we had widespread electricity. That's only been
one hundred and twenty five years, so hardly a blip
in Earth's overall lifespan. On the other hand, the universe
itself was about thirteen point eight billion years old, and
many planets formed billions of years before the Earth did,
some by as much as nine billion years. That would
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give any other developing civilization a massive jump on technological development.
When you consider how exponential technological growth becomes once it
gets going, you can easily see how far ahead the
potential becomes. Just two hundred years ago, we had no electricity,
no computers, no phones, no cars, no planes, nothing. Considering
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what has developed in just those last two hundred years,
you can imagine where we might be in another two
hundred years or a thousand years. If we make it
that far, of course, it will surely be unrecognizable from today.
It's easy to imagine how civilization with just a thousand
year technological headstart could be way ahead of us in
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terms of capabilities. What seemed impossible to us two hundred
years ago is commonplace today. Shoving an iPhone to someone
two hundred years ago would have been beyond their comprehension.
It's easy to imagine that a civilization with just a
thousand year headstart could possess technologies that would appear impossible
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or even magical to us today. They wouldn't need a
nine billion year head start. In fact, they've probably had
civilizations that have developed, blown themselves up, and started over.
Just a slight head start could make a massive order
of magnitude difference, and they potentially do have a huge
head start, since many of these formed billions of years
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before the Earth did. This matters because we often assume
a technological parody for some reason, but history shows us
that even a small timing advantage can create a massive
capability gap. So at this stage, the math strongly suggests
that life, and possibly intelligent life, exists elsewhere, which leads
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us to the next question. Has any of this intelligent
life ever visited Earth? The odds here are longer, but
certainly not zero. Given enough time and sufficient technology interstellar
or even interdimensional. Perhaps travel may be possible, And importantly,
we should not assume that visitation would necessarily be from
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a biological being. AI controlled probes, a post biological intelligence,
or other forms of intelligence that we don't yet understand
may be far more likely. As we enter the digital
age and begin developing artificial intelligence ourselves, it's reasonable to
assume that other advanced civilizations might follow a similar trajectory.
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It also seems far more logical to send AI in
the space rather than human beings. AI doesn't need food,
rest oxygen, It doesn't get sick, it doesn't age, it
doesn't die, It can learn, adapt, transmit data continuously. We
are already seeing the emergence of artificial general intelligence, which
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has systems with broader cognitive abilities comparable to human intelligence,
and we are now seeing early to discussions of artificial superintelligence,
which would surpass even the best human minds across many fields.
At this point, it's also worth acknowledging a limitation that
of science's limitation. Science is optimized to study repeatable, controllable phenomenon.
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If something is rare, intelligent, evasive, or consciousness mediated, it
may not present itself in a way that fits cleanly
into a laboratory standard or easy to study. It doesn't
mean that it's not real, It just makes it very
difficult to study. Finally, there's the question of appearance. Would
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et look like us? It's interesting that the most well
known image of a quote unquote alien is the gray,
which looks eerily similar to humans. Is that definitively what
they would look like? Given the diversity of life here
on Earth, with over two million species identified and perhaps
another eight million suspected, none of which looks like us
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at all, it feels unlikely that extraterrestrial life would closely
resemble humans. Not to mention, we appear to be the
only life form here on Earth to develop advanced technological intelligence.
It's interesting how the Grays, Nordics, and other alien life
forms that contact ease report are most often so similar
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to us, which I suppose is possible since they share
the same similar chemistry that we have and exist in
the same universe that we do. Or another reason may
be looking at this through the ancient alien's lens, if
they somehow seated us or played a role in our
DNA's development, or perhaps the idea of panspermia would also
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explain this. Otherwise, that similarity feels unlikely given the diversity
just here on Earth. Even their size is often reported
as roughly human scale. Again, that doesn't even happen consistently
on Earth. This is why we should be very cautious
about projecting our own expectations onto these non human intelligences.
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When we come back, we're going to take a look
at UFO sightings. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact and now I'd like to
take a look at UFO and UAP sightings. This is
a bit tougher because we don't necessarily have hard numbers
to go off of. Instead, we rely on multiple civilian
and governmental reporting systems. There are organizations such as the
Mutual UFO Network, the National UFO Reporting Center, and the
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Center for UFO Studies. They've all categorized and catalog reports
for decades. More recently, governmental entities such as ARROW and
NASA have begun accepting reports for military pilots and aviation
professionals as well. Cheryl and Linda Costa's incredible book UFO
Sightings Desk Reference United States of America two thousand and
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one through twenty twenty has documented over one hundred and
sixty seven thousand reported sightings in just that twenty year period.
That averages out to roughly eight thousand reports per year
in the United States alone. If we included all the
other reporting systems, you could come up with a conservative
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estimate that would be around let's say, fifteen thousand reports
cited annually. But reporting rates themselves are extremely low. Researchers
consistently estimate that only around five up to maybe fifteen
percent of sightings are ever even reported. This is something
that comes up repeatedly at UFO conferences when you ask
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a large audience how many people have seen something anomalous.
Often half the room raises their hand. Then you ask
them how many reported it, and a very small fraction do.
Pilots and law enforcement officers are even less likely to
report sightings due to the stigma, the career risk, and
the lack of incentives. Aviation safety expert doctor Todd Curtis
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has documented this extensively. Many pilots have said there's simply
no upside to reporting a UFO. Therefore, if we assume
that let's say fifteen thousand reported sightings represent roughly ten
percent of actual sightings. That suggests around one hundred and
fifty thousand sightings a year just to the United States alone.
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The United States alone is about four and a half
percent of the world's total populations, So if you wanted
to extrapolate that out, we could multiply one hundred and
fifty thouds by say twenty two, and that would get
us around three point three million sightings annually worldwide. Let's
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keep this even simpler and super super conservative. Instead of
that actual number times twenty two, let's just say four
times the US number, So that would be about six
hundred thousand worldwide sightings per year. If we just used
that just for fun as our guestimate number. Then, taken
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over the last eighty year period from nineteen forty five
to twenty twenty five, that would amount to roughly forty
eight million total anomalist sightings worldwide over that period using
this conservative framework. To be clear, this does not mean
forty eight million alien craft were seen. It simply means
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that forty eight million anomalies were witnessed somewhere at some
time by somebody over the last eighty years, the vast
majority of which are certainly mundane. But once you have
such a large data set, the question flips. It's no
longer whether most cases are mundane, it's whether all of
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them are. Back to the one in a million chance
thought experiment we were talking about, even then, you'd still
have about forty eight potential legitimate cases. If there's forty
eight million potential sightings, then we have forty eight in
the one million chance idea. If even this tiny fraction
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of that enormous data set represents something real or extraordinary,
then we have something. And this isn't even including USOS
underwatercraft sightings, which are also quite numerous as well. Today
we also get many reports from trained observers, including those
military pilots, along with multiple sensor systems are infrared and
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visual confirmations. Given this extremely large number of sightings, especially
from highly credible military pilots and officials, it becomes more
plausible that at least a percentage of these cases could
be of non human origins, just as the witnesses claim.
Even if it's that one in a million number, we
still have forty eight Beyond just sightings, we have another
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area worth exploring, that of alleged UFO crash retrieval cases.
The Roswell case alone has such an enormous amount of
evidence and first person accounts that fit together in a
consistent narrative that includes a dozen deathbed or posthumous confessions
from military associated witnesses. I find these particularly compelling. Why
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would a military officer or a military official leave a
statement only to be opened upon their death saying that
they saw craft, that they saw a body, and explaining
in their letter that they wanted to do this because
they wanted their grandchildren to know that we are not alone.
That's compelling. Why would someone do that? There are also
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accounts from researchers, including Don Schmidt, of interviewing Roswell witnesses
who physically broke down crying, saying I have not spoke
about this in over fifty years. That's compelling as well,
and I don't think all of these witnesses should be
just disregarded out of hand. Another famous case is the
Rendilscham Forest incident, which involved US military intelligence personnel, contemporaneous notes,
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real time audio recordings, and an official military memo written
and submitted at the time of the event, again all
very compelling. There are many cases like this, involving extensive
documentation and multiple eyewitnesses. There's also research by Ryan S.
Wood who, in his book The Magic Guy's Only Earth's
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Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology, he has cataloged over one hundred
alleged crash retrieval cases. Then we have organizations like Skywatcher
co founded by Jake Barbera and James Fowler. They have
developed a system for detecting and tracking UFOs. They even
claim they have been able to summon vehicles using a
signaling system and believe their operations could expand our knowledge.
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We also have first person accounts of both UFO sightings
and alleged direct contact experiences. These are certainly not proof,
but I find it worth noting that the volume of
these accounts and the credibility of many of them makes
it very hard to believe that these are all hoaxers
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or liars, or just trying to make money. By the way,
very few people make any money off of their accounts.
In fact, most have had their lives flipped upside down
after having such an experience and coming forward. Of course,
all of this takes place in our tiny sliver of
time on Earth, and within the period when we're technologically
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advanced enough to look outward, it's entirely possible. In fact,
perhaps mathematically even more likely than another civilization swung by Earth,
say three hundred thousand years ago, or even earlier, before
Homo sapiens even began to evolve, let alone developed society
six thousand years ago. Meanwhile, public openness to these possibilities
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is certainly growing. A recent News Nation poll found that
sixty three percent of respondents believe the US government has
more information about extraterrestrial life than it's shared publicly. In
twenty twenty one, there was a Pew Research study that
found about sixty five percent of Americans believe intelligent life
exists on other planet. This actually feels low because the
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scientific community has much higher numbers than that. A Gallup
poll from twenty twenty one reported that one percent of
US adults believe some UFOs involve alien spacecraft, and a
u Goov poll from twenty twenty five found that twenty
one percent of Americans believe that they have personally seen
something that they thought was a UFO. This is a
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really really high number, and again, ninety nine point nine
percent of them surely did not see a craft controlled
by a non human intelligence unless it was one of
our artificial intelligence systems. And finally, a u GOV poll
from twenty twenty five also showed that forty seven percent
of Americans believe that aliens may have visited Earth. When
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you talk about this out in the world, it doesn't
feel like half the country believes aliens have visited Earth.
But that's what that poll shows. When we come back,
we're going to look closer at these alleged alien encounters.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. Another idea that ties into this involves people
who claim to have had a direct contact with various
types of aliens. There are credible cases from credible people
that make a compelling argument that something anomalous, something we
don't yet understand, is happening. Much like UFO sightings, the
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vast majority of people who claim to have had an
experience with non human entities never report them. These people
often have their lives affected in very negative ways. It
is extremely difficult to handle such a profound paradigm shift,
and beyond that, there is the stigma and the frustration
of not being believed. This can lead to job loss, divorce, depression,
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and other serious consequences. Yet the sheer number of people
making these claims becomes compelling in its own right. Still
very difficult to get a precise handle on how many
people have reported such experiences. One place to look for
such insight is among hypnotherapists who work regularly with claimed abductees.
David M. Jacobs is one of the best known researchers
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in this area, and he has repeatedly speculated that approximately
two percent of the US population may have had a
contact experience. He arrives at this estimate by extrapolating from
a nineteen ninety one roper Pole which found that roughly
two to four percent of adults reported experiences consistent with
abduction related criteria such as missing time, experiencing paralysis, or
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unusual bodily marks. He also noted that many abductees are
not even aware that they were abducted. It is common
for individuals to have no conscious memory of the event.
Sometimes a trigger later in life will remind them or
nudge them towards getting a hypnotic regression, where then the
details of the encounter are often reared called. Now, if
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we take doctor Jacob's two percent figure and apply it
to the world population, you get a number on the
order of a one hundred and sixty million people. To
be clear, that global extrapolation is just illustrative, not empirical
by any stretch of the imagination. Jacob's estimate is a
US based number, and there's certainly no scientifically valid way
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to assume the same rate applies worldwide, or to even
know if his number is even accurate to begin with.
But we just wanted a place to jump off. This
was about the best number I could find. Still, if
we use that just for our thought experiment and go
back to the one in a million chance framing of everything,
that would suggest that one hundred and sixty real contact
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the experiences have taken place. We also have the work
of doctor John Mack, the Polisher Prize winning psychiatrist and
longtime Harvard Medical School professor, who publicly leaned into the
idea that the contact experience as were not rare. Nova's
coverage of his work explicitly pointed viewers to pulling data
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implying that millions of people may be connected to abduction claims.
Although it's very difficult for many of us to take
every alleged extraterrestrial encounter at face value, I have yet
to hear a compelling alternative explanation for why so many
people claim to have had such experiences. Back in the
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late nineteen eighties, doctor John Mack actually set out to
answer that very question. He began his research with an
explicitly skeptical mindset, assuming he would uncover some form of psychopathology.
He initially expected to find that alleged abductees would exhibit
one or more of the following psychosis or latent schizophrenia,
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disassociative identity disorder, fantasy prone or highly suggestive personalities, trauma
induced false memories, cultural cognition driven by science fiction narratives.
But what he actually found, after conducting an in depth
interview with over two hundred experiences, often repeatedly over many
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many years, was quite different. What he actually found was
that there was no evidence of mental illness, that the
claimants were psychologically stable, that they were functioning normally in
their careers and families and society, and they were all
free of psychosis, delusional disorder, and schizophrenia. In standard clinical evaluations,
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they tested indistinguishably from control populations. Mack repeatedly stated that
these are not people who are psychotic or delusional. He
also noted that their experiences were internally consistent and cross
cultural without prior exposure to UFO literature. The subjects often
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reported highly similar beings comparable per recurrent themes such as
medical examination, paralysis, and missing time. They also had similar
emotional reactions, including terror, awe, and ontological shock. These patterns
appeared consistently regardless of age, educational level, religion, or nationality,
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which is very similar to what doctor David Jacobs had
found as well. Although Mack never claimed these experiences proved
extraterrustrial visitation in a literal nuts in both sense, he
did conclude the following the trauma response matched genuine lived experience,
not fantasy. The experiences were real to the experiencers, that
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they represented encounters with an external intelligence or agency, that
the phenomenon appeared to operate in a non ordinary reality,
overlapping mind matter and consciousness, and Western material list frameworks
were insufficient to fully explain it. So if these people
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were not all crazy. Then perhaps something anomalousts could really
be happening. Interestingly, most witnesses and experiencers readily admit that
they don't know what it is. They don't claim to
fully understand what they saw or experienced, but that does
not mean it wasn't real or anomalous. At the very least,
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there appears to be enough anomalous activity here to warrant
serious scientific investigation, along with an open mind from all
of us. Clearly, something is occurring that remains beyond our
current understanding. We may be on the cusp of yet
another major paradigm shift. This phenomenon might involve aliens traveling
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here from another planet, or possibly aliens originating from another dimension.
Could be spiritual or non physical beings from another realm.
Could be crypto terrestrial that evolved alongside us on Earth
but remained hidden from humanity. Future humans could be returning
back to our time. It could be a post biological civilization.
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Could be coexistence within a simulated universe. Maybe AI machines
or von Neumann probes could be exploring our cosmos. It
could even be consciousness based projections or interfaces throughout history.
Our understanding of how things in our natural world work
often get flipped upside down as we gain more knowledge
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and understanding of how things work. Most often given enough
time and technology, then we have the Fermi paradox. For
people outside the UFO community, Enrico Fermi famously stated, if
the universe is so full of potential life whereas everybody,
several explanations are commonly discussed. Number one is the time overlap.
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Civilizations may not exist simultaneously, even given a ten thousand
year time technological phase. That's minuscule on a cosmic timescale.
Number two is the distance. Galactic distances are vast. Signals
decay travel takes time, and geometry alone could isolate civilizations.
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Number three detectability. We've only been transmitting detectable signals for
about one hundred years. Advanced civilizations may use communication methods
that we have not yet been able to detect, or
they may be deliberately avoiding detection technology on Earth's struggles
to remain compatible year to year, so it's reasonable to
assume interstellar communication may face similar challenges. When we come back,
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we're going to look at arguments for and against aliens
visiting Earth. You're listening to beyond contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact. Now let's take a look at
some of the arguments for extraterustrial life having visited Earth.
We're going to be talking about evidence versus indicators, So
here's a helpful distinction. Evidence is something that can be
independently verified, tested, and examined. Indicators are patterns, testimonies, correlations,
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or repeated reports that suggest something may be happening, even
though they don't rise to the level of proof. Obviously,
a lot of what we're talking about here falls into
a category of an indicator. The arguments for visitation include
mathematical probability. We've already examined the mathematical potential within the
known universe, which strongly suggests the certainty of extraterrustrial life
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existing somewhere, and at least the possibility of a civilization
being able to develop the technology necessary to visit Earth.
Worldwide sightings and UAP eviden we have countless reports worldwide
of unexplained sightings in the sky. Beyond anecdotal reports, there
are UAP reports that have demonstrated advanced performance characteristics, and
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there are witness accounts that are corroborated by radar, infrared sensors,
visual observations, and we have multiple military pilot testimony. Many
of these incidents have been publicly acknowledged by the US
Department of Defense, and these reports document craft exhibit capabilities
beyond known human technology, at least as far as we
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know it, such as hypersonic speed without sonic booms, instantaneous acceleration,
no visible propulsion or exhaust, trans medium travel which is
through air, sea, and space with no change in velocity.
There's also the whistleblower testimony. There have been sworn testimonies
given from intelligence and military insiders, supported by classified documentation
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presented to the Inspectors General. Numerous high and government officials
have come forward making bold claims that non human technology exists,
putting their reputations and their careers at risk. There are
also the direct contactee accounts, which we talked about. This
group of people who have had direct first person encounters,
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often putting their reputations and their careers at risk as well.
We also have ancient and historical accounts, which is another
area of consideration which appears to suggest that advanced non
human encounters appear across many cultures. These include ancient texts,
art oral traditions describing beings and craft that resemble the
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modern UFO reports we get such as Ezekiel's wheel within
a wheel from the Bible, the Hindu Vimanas, the Mesoamerican
sky gods, the Australian Aboriginal sky people. Then there's megalithic monuments.
There are massive stone structures built with precision, astronomical alignments
and advanced mathematical knowledge that seem far beyond what is
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traditionally attributed to the cultures of the time. Some examples
of this include the Great Pyramid, constructed from approximately two
point three million stone blocks, some weighing fifty to eighty tons,
and they're all laid with near perfect precision, and the
entire structure is nearly perfect cardinal alignments and mathematical relationships
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tied to the earth dimensions. Pumapuku features h blocks that
appear to be clearly machine cut, saxe waman that has
razor tight stone joints and blocks weighing up to two
hundred tons. Ballbeck Lebanon has stones that exceed sixteen hundred tons.
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Non Midal was built over water using tens of thousands
of massive basalt columns transported from miles away. Lastly, there
are the physical trace evidence material. The UFO community often
points to cases involving physical trace evidence such as ground
depressions or sports vegetation, electromagnetic interference, radiation anomalies, and recovered
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materials with unusual isotopic ratios, including from alleged implants. Now,
let's look at some of the counter arguments against extraterrestrial visitation.
Here are the strongest skeptical positions stated plainly. Its extraordinary
claims require extraordinary evidence, and we do not yet have
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publicly available, independently testable proof that confirms non human visitation.
Most UFO reports, once investigated, resolve into mundane explanations. They're
either misidentifications, their sensor artifacts hoaxes, or their classified human technology.
And human perception is imperfect, especially under stress, especially at night,
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or an unusual viewing conditions, so the skeptical view is
the simplest explanation usually wins until hard evidence forces a change.
Number one, probability is not a certainty. While the universe
contains vast numbers of potentially habitable planets, that probability does
not equal a certainty. Additionally, we have not yet solved
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interstellar travel. Personally, I believe the interstellar travel is ultimately
just a matter of time and technology. People say that
sightings are not proof. The argument here is that sightings
alone do not confirm extraterrestrial origins, which is easy to
agree with. The vast majority of cases, once investigated, are
surely explained as misidentifications, hoaxes, sensor airrors, whatever. They could
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possibly be advanced foreign secret technologies, even though governments state
that these objects are not foreign adversaries. There's no way
to know with absolute certainty that new break cruse may
exist that we're not yet aware of. So for me,
this is a fair argument. In today's technological world, both
government and private aerospace companies alike could be developing highly
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classified technology whistleblower claims. Lack verification is another problem. While
credible officials have made extraordinary claims, verifiable physical evidence has
not yet been publicly produced. I find it significant that
these individuals of high rank and prestige are still willing
to go on the record and risk their careers stating
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that non human craft or materials exist. I do think
this should not be casually dismissed the contact the experiences.
Alternative explanations such as sleep paralysis, psychological phenomenon, or false
memories are often cited, and yes, claims alone do not
establish reality or proof, no doubt. Still, I personally find
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some of these accounts very compelling, especially and they're taken
in totality ancient interpretations. The arguments against these interpretations is
that we are projecting modern interpretations onto ancient stories. These
accounts could be symbolic, allegorical, or mythological, and none definitively
prove extraterrestrial visitation. I agree that this is a limitation. However,
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it remains intriguing how many of these ancient stories and
monuments we have, as they echo the modern and counter
reports and have similar themes. Lastly, is the megalithic construction explanation.
Skepsogogy is that these structures do not require outside knowledge
and could have been built with enough manpower and time,
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and perhaps their construction methods could have been lost to time.
That may be true, but for me, moving a sixteen
hundred ton stone block at Ballbeck still raises a reasonable
question to what end the same result could have been
achieved using smaller more manageable stones. So here's my take.
It is true that all evidence supporting non human intelligence
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visiting Earth is refutable, and none has reached the level
of undeniable proof. Belief levels exist on a spectrum. I
believe we should maintain an open mind and continue observing
as technology and evidence evolve, and continue to put resource
into scientific exploration of these topics. Unlike religion, which often
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requires belief in the supernatural, this hypothesis only requires belief
in technology and time, both of which we have repeatedly
overcome once impossible barriers for us. And one more note,
consciousness research is still in its earliest days. We don't
yet have a complete scientific model for consciousness, perception, or
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altered states. Yet those domains keep showing up around the
edges of this phenomenon. That doesn't prove anything either, but
it's a reminder that our map of reality is still
incomplete and will certainly change going forward, as it always does.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
For me.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's not a simple piece of evidence, but the totality,
the sheer number of potentially life bearing planets, the volume
of sightings, the credible officials risking their careers, the conviction
of the experiencers, the historical accounts and the massive megalithic structures,
some exceeding sixteen hundred tons taken all together, even at
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a one in a million chance, still feels compelling to me.
And after all of that, we only need one encounter
to be real, for the phenomenon itself to be real,
whatever that may be. So at this point I would say, yes, Virginia,
I believe there are aliens out there and some form
or another of them has most likely been here. Thank
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we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
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Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron and we're
going to be doing our second show without a guest today,
and we're going to revisit this idea of whether or
not intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, or more importantly,
whether or not it's been here. I'll bet these two
burning questions have been in the human imagination since we
very first developed rational thought. Let's start with our universe.
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Current astronomical estimates suggest that our galaxy alone may contain
up to two hundred billion planets. Of those, they say,
roughly sixty billion are thought to be in what scientists
are calling the habitable zone, the region where liquid water
could potentially exist on the surface. And even that definition
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is being very conservative because it assumes life must resemble
us chemically. Scientists openly acknowledge that there may be forms
of life that we haven't yet discovered or don't yet understand. Obviously,
this is all speculative, but just for sake of argument,
and really as a thought experiment, just for fun, not
as any statistical claim. Let's be extremely conservative. Let's say
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the odds of intelligent technological life developing on one of
these habitable zone planets is only a one in a
million chance. That would still give us roughly sixty thousand
potential intelligent civilizations just in our galaxy alone. Based on
deep space observation from the Hubble Space Telescope, NASA has
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estimated that the observable universe contains on the order of
two trillion galaxies. If we apply that same conservative, albeit
very rough math across that scale, we arrive at approximately
one hundred and twenty quadrillian planets that could potentially host
intelligent life similar to ours. That's one hundred and twenty,
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followed by fifteen zeros. Our brains are not even wired
to intuitively grasp exponential scales like that, And again, this
estimate excludes entirely different forms of life that may not
be carbon based, may not use biology the way we do,
or may not even occupy reality in the way we
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currently define it. Quantum mechanics has speculative theories about dimensions
existing in the many many world's theory, but let's just
set all that aside for now. Then there's the notion
of time. Again, we have to think at cosmic scales.
These are order of magnitude estimates, not exact counts. The
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math doesn't prove anything, but it makes the question harder
to ignore. The Earth is approximately four and a half
billion years old. Anatomically modern humans have existed for roughly
three hundred thousand years, whereas human civilizations with writing and
cities and organized societies that's only been around for about
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six thousand years, which would mean that humans have existed
for only point zero zero six percent of Earth's history.
Civilized humans have only been around for point zero zero
zero one percent of Earth's existence, and technologically advanced humans
is even less if we generously define that as beginning.
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Let's say when we had widespread electricity. That's only been
one hundred and twenty five years, so hardly a blip
in Earth's overall lifespan. On the other hand, the universe
itself was about thirteen point eight billion years old, and
many planets formed billions of years before the Earth did,
some by as much as nine billion years. That would
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give any other developing civilization a massive jump on technological development.
When you consider how exponential technological growth becomes once it
gets going, you can easily see how far ahead the
potential becomes. Just two hundred years ago, we had no electricity,
no computers, no phones, no cars, no planes, nothing. Considering
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what has developed in just those last two hundred years,
you can imagine where we might be in another two
hundred years or a thousand years. If we make it
that far, of course, it will surely be unrecognizable from today.
It's easy to imagine how civilization with just a thousand
year technological headstart could be way ahead of us in
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terms of capabilities. What seemed impossible to us two hundred
years ago is commonplace today. Shoving an iPhone to someone
two hundred years ago would have been beyond their comprehension.
It's easy to imagine that a civilization with just a
thousand year headstart could possess technologies that would appear impossible
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or even magical to us today. They wouldn't need a
nine billion year head start. In fact, they've probably had
civilizations that have developed, blown themselves up, and started over.
Just a slight head start could make a massive order
of magnitude difference, and they potentially do have a huge
head start, since many of these formed billions of years
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before the Earth did. This matters because we often assume
a technological parody for some reason, but history shows us
that even a small timing advantage can create a massive
capability gap. So at this stage, the math strongly suggests
that life, and possibly intelligent life, exists elsewhere, which leads
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us to the next question. Has any of this intelligent
life ever visited Earth? The odds here are longer, but
certainly not zero. Given enough time and sufficient technology interstellar
or even interdimensional. Perhaps travel may be possible, And importantly,
we should not assume that visitation would necessarily be from
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a biological being. AI controlled probes, a post biological intelligence,
or other forms of intelligence that we don't yet understand
may be far more likely. As we enter the digital
age and begin developing artificial intelligence ourselves, it's reasonable to
assume that other advanced civilizations might follow a similar trajectory.
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It also seems far more logical to send AI in
the space rather than human beings. AI doesn't need food,
rest oxygen, It doesn't get sick, it doesn't age, it
doesn't die, It can learn, adapt, transmit data continuously. We
are already seeing the emergence of artificial general intelligence, which
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has systems with broader cognitive abilities comparable to human intelligence,
and we are now seeing early to discussions of artificial superintelligence,
which would surpass even the best human minds across many fields.
At this point, it's also worth acknowledging a limitation that
of science's limitation. Science is optimized to study repeatable, controllable phenomenon.
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If something is rare, intelligent, evasive, or consciousness mediated, it
may not present itself in a way that fits cleanly
into a laboratory standard or easy to study. It doesn't
mean that it's not real, It just makes it very
difficult to study. Finally, there's the question of appearance. Would
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et look like us? It's interesting that the most well
known image of a quote unquote alien is the gray,
which looks eerily similar to humans. Is that definitively what
they would look like? Given the diversity of life here
on Earth, with over two million species identified and perhaps
another eight million suspected, none of which looks like us
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at all, it feels unlikely that extraterrestrial life would closely
resemble humans. Not to mention, we appear to be the
only life form here on Earth to develop advanced technological intelligence.
It's interesting how the Grays, Nordics, and other alien life
forms that contact ease report are most often so similar
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to us, which I suppose is possible since they share
the same similar chemistry that we have and exist in
the same universe that we do. Or another reason may
be looking at this through the ancient alien's lens, if
they somehow seated us or played a role in our
DNA's development, or perhaps the idea of panspermia would also
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explain this. Otherwise, that similarity feels unlikely given the diversity
just here on Earth. Even their size is often reported
as roughly human scale. Again, that doesn't even happen consistently
on Earth. This is why we should be very cautious
about projecting our own expectations onto these non human intelligences.
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When we come back, we're going to take a look
at UFO sightings. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
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are back on Beyond Contact and now I'd like to
take a look at UFO and UAP sightings. This is
a bit tougher because we don't necessarily have hard numbers
to go off of. Instead, we rely on multiple civilian
and governmental reporting systems. There are organizations such as the
Mutual UFO Network, the National UFO Reporting Center, and the
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Center for UFO Studies. They've all categorized and catalog reports
for decades. More recently, governmental entities such as ARROW and
NASA have begun accepting reports for military pilots and aviation
professionals as well. Cheryl and Linda Costa's incredible book UFO
Sightings Desk Reference United States of America two thousand and
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one through twenty twenty has documented over one hundred and
sixty seven thousand reported sightings in just that twenty year period.
That averages out to roughly eight thousand reports per year
in the United States alone. If we included all the
other reporting systems, you could come up with a conservative
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estimate that would be around let's say, fifteen thousand reports
cited annually. But reporting rates themselves are extremely low. Researchers
consistently estimate that only around five up to maybe fifteen
percent of sightings are ever even reported. This is something
that comes up repeatedly at UFO conferences when you ask
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a large audience how many people have seen something anomalous.
Often half the room raises their hand. Then you ask
them how many reported it, and a very small fraction do.
Pilots and law enforcement officers are even less likely to
report sightings due to the stigma, the career risk, and
the lack of incentives. Aviation safety expert doctor Todd Curtis
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has documented this extensively. Many pilots have said there's simply
no upside to reporting a UFO. Therefore, if we assume
that let's say fifteen thousand reported sightings represent roughly ten
percent of actual sightings. That suggests around one hundred and
fifty thousand sightings a year just to the United States alone.
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The United States alone is about four and a half
percent of the world's total populations, So if you wanted
to extrapolate that out, we could multiply one hundred and
fifty thouds by say twenty two, and that would get
us around three point three million sightings annually worldwide. Let's
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keep this even simpler and super super conservative. Instead of
that actual number times twenty two, let's just say four
times the US number, So that would be about six
hundred thousand worldwide sightings per year. If we just used
that just for fun as our guestimate number. Then, taken
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over the last eighty year period from nineteen forty five
to twenty twenty five, that would amount to roughly forty
eight million total anomalist sightings worldwide over that period using
this conservative framework. To be clear, this does not mean
forty eight million alien craft were seen. It simply means
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that forty eight million anomalies were witnessed somewhere at some
time by somebody over the last eighty years, the vast
majority of which are certainly mundane. But once you have
such a large data set, the question flips. It's no
longer whether most cases are mundane, it's whether all of
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them are. Back to the one in a million chance
thought experiment we were talking about, even then, you'd still
have about forty eight potential legitimate cases. If there's forty
eight million potential sightings, then we have forty eight in
the one million chance idea. If even this tiny fraction
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of that enormous data set represents something real or extraordinary,
then we have something. And this isn't even including USOS
underwatercraft sightings, which are also quite numerous as well. Today
we also get many reports from trained observers, including those
military pilots, along with multiple sensor systems are infrared and
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visual confirmations. Given this extremely large number of sightings, especially
from highly credible military pilots and officials, it becomes more
plausible that at least a percentage of these cases could
be of non human origins, just as the witnesses claim.
Even if it's that one in a million number, we
still have forty eight Beyond just sightings, we have another
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area worth exploring, that of alleged UFO crash retrieval cases.
The Roswell case alone has such an enormous amount of
evidence and first person accounts that fit together in a
consistent narrative that includes a dozen deathbed or posthumous confessions
from military associated witnesses. I find these particularly compelling. Why
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would a military officer or a military official leave a
statement only to be opened upon their death saying that
they saw craft, that they saw a body, and explaining
in their letter that they wanted to do this because
they wanted their grandchildren to know that we are not alone.
That's compelling. Why would someone do that? There are also
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accounts from researchers, including Don Schmidt, of interviewing Roswell witnesses
who physically broke down crying, saying I have not spoke
about this in over fifty years. That's compelling as well,
and I don't think all of these witnesses should be
just disregarded out of hand. Another famous case is the
Rendilscham Forest incident, which involved US military intelligence personnel, contemporaneous notes,
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real time audio recordings, and an official military memo written
and submitted at the time of the event, again all
very compelling. There are many cases like this, involving extensive
documentation and multiple eyewitnesses. There's also research by Ryan S.
Wood who, in his book The Magic Guy's Only Earth's
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Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology, he has cataloged over one hundred
alleged crash retrieval cases. Then we have organizations like Skywatcher
co founded by Jake Barbera and James Fowler. They have
developed a system for detecting and tracking UFOs. They even
claim they have been able to summon vehicles using a
signaling system and believe their operations could expand our knowledge.
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We also have first person accounts of both UFO sightings
and alleged direct contact experiences. These are certainly not proof,
but I find it worth noting that the volume of
these accounts and the credibility of many of them makes
it very hard to believe that these are all hoaxers
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or liars, or just trying to make money. By the way,
very few people make any money off of their accounts.
In fact, most have had their lives flipped upside down
after having such an experience and coming forward. Of course,
all of this takes place in our tiny sliver of
time on Earth, and within the period when we're technologically
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advanced enough to look outward, it's entirely possible. In fact,
perhaps mathematically even more likely than another civilization swung by Earth,
say three hundred thousand years ago, or even earlier, before
Homo sapiens even began to evolve, let alone developed society
six thousand years ago. Meanwhile, public openness to these possibilities
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is certainly growing. A recent News Nation poll found that
sixty three percent of respondents believe the US government has
more information about extraterrestrial life than it's shared publicly. In
twenty twenty one, there was a Pew Research study that
found about sixty five percent of Americans believe intelligent life
exists on other planet. This actually feels low because the
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scientific community has much higher numbers than that. A Gallup
poll from twenty twenty one reported that one percent of
US adults believe some UFOs involve alien spacecraft, and a
u Goov poll from twenty twenty five found that twenty
one percent of Americans believe that they have personally seen
something that they thought was a UFO. This is a
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really really high number, and again, ninety nine point nine
percent of them surely did not see a craft controlled
by a non human intelligence unless it was one of
our artificial intelligence systems. And finally, a u GOV poll
from twenty twenty five also showed that forty seven percent
of Americans believe that aliens may have visited Earth. When
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you talk about this out in the world, it doesn't
feel like half the country believes aliens have visited Earth.
But that's what that poll shows. When we come back,
we're going to look closer at these alleged alien encounters.
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Beyond Contact. Another idea that ties into this involves people
who claim to have had a direct contact with various
types of aliens. There are credible cases from credible people
that make a compelling argument that something anomalous, something we
don't yet understand, is happening. Much like UFO sightings, the
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vast majority of people who claim to have had an
experience with non human entities never report them. These people
often have their lives affected in very negative ways. It
is extremely difficult to handle such a profound paradigm shift,
and beyond that, there is the stigma and the frustration
of not being believed. This can lead to job loss, divorce, depression,
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and other serious consequences. Yet the sheer number of people
making these claims becomes compelling in its own right. Still
very difficult to get a precise handle on how many
people have reported such experiences. One place to look for
such insight is among hypnotherapists who work regularly with claimed abductees.
David M. Jacobs is one of the best known researchers
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in this area, and he has repeatedly speculated that approximately
two percent of the US population may have had a
contact experience. He arrives at this estimate by extrapolating from
a nineteen ninety one roper Pole which found that roughly
two to four percent of adults reported experiences consistent with
abduction related criteria such as missing time, experiencing paralysis, or
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unusual bodily marks. He also noted that many abductees are
not even aware that they were abducted. It is common
for individuals to have no conscious memory of the event.
Sometimes a trigger later in life will remind them or
nudge them towards getting a hypnotic regression, where then the
details of the encounter are often reared called. Now, if
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we take doctor Jacob's two percent figure and apply it
to the world population, you get a number on the
order of a one hundred and sixty million people. To
be clear, that global extrapolation is just illustrative, not empirical
by any stretch of the imagination. Jacob's estimate is a
US based number, and there's certainly no scientifically valid way
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to assume the same rate applies worldwide, or to even
know if his number is even accurate to begin with.
But we just wanted a place to jump off. This
was about the best number I could find. Still, if
we use that just for our thought experiment and go
back to the one in a million chance framing of everything,
that would suggest that one hundred and sixty real contact
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the experiences have taken place. We also have the work
of doctor John Mack, the Polisher Prize winning psychiatrist and
longtime Harvard Medical School professor, who publicly leaned into the
idea that the contact experience as were not rare. Nova's
coverage of his work explicitly pointed viewers to pulling data
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implying that millions of people may be connected to abduction claims.
Although it's very difficult for many of us to take
every alleged extraterrestrial encounter at face value, I have yet
to hear a compelling alternative explanation for why so many
people claim to have had such experiences. Back in the
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late nineteen eighties, doctor John Mack actually set out to
answer that very question. He began his research with an
explicitly skeptical mindset, assuming he would uncover some form of psychopathology.
He initially expected to find that alleged abductees would exhibit
one or more of the following psychosis or latent schizophrenia,
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disassociative identity disorder, fantasy prone or highly suggestive personalities, trauma
induced false memories, cultural cognition driven by science fiction narratives.
But what he actually found, after conducting an in depth
interview with over two hundred experiences, often repeatedly over many
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many years, was quite different. What he actually found was
that there was no evidence of mental illness, that the
claimants were psychologically stable, that they were functioning normally in
their careers and families and society, and they were all
free of psychosis, delusional disorder, and schizophrenia. In standard clinical evaluations,
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they tested indistinguishably from control populations. Mack repeatedly stated that
these are not people who are psychotic or delusional. He
also noted that their experiences were internally consistent and cross
cultural without prior exposure to UFO literature. The subjects often
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reported highly similar beings comparable per recurrent themes such as
medical examination, paralysis, and missing time. They also had similar
emotional reactions, including terror, awe, and ontological shock. These patterns
appeared consistently regardless of age, educational level, religion, or nationality,
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which is very similar to what doctor David Jacobs had
found as well. Although Mack never claimed these experiences proved
extraterrustrial visitation in a literal nuts in both sense, he
did conclude the following the trauma response matched genuine lived experience,
not fantasy. The experiences were real to the experiencers, that
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they represented encounters with an external intelligence or agency, that
the phenomenon appeared to operate in a non ordinary reality,
overlapping mind matter and consciousness, and Western material list frameworks
were insufficient to fully explain it. So if these people
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were not all crazy. Then perhaps something anomalousts could really
be happening. Interestingly, most witnesses and experiencers readily admit that
they don't know what it is. They don't claim to
fully understand what they saw or experienced, but that does
not mean it wasn't real or anomalous. At the very least,
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there appears to be enough anomalous activity here to warrant
serious scientific investigation, along with an open mind from all
of us. Clearly, something is occurring that remains beyond our
current understanding. We may be on the cusp of yet
another major paradigm shift. This phenomenon might involve aliens traveling
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here from another planet, or possibly aliens originating from another dimension.
Could be spiritual or non physical beings from another realm.
Could be crypto terrestrial that evolved alongside us on Earth
but remained hidden from humanity. Future humans could be returning
back to our time. It could be a post biological civilization.
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Could be coexistence within a simulated universe. Maybe AI machines
or von Neumann probes could be exploring our cosmos. It
could even be consciousness based projections or interfaces throughout history.
Our understanding of how things in our natural world work
often get flipped upside down as we gain more knowledge
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and understanding of how things work. Most often given enough
time and technology, then we have the Fermi paradox. For
people outside the UFO community, Enrico Fermi famously stated, if
the universe is so full of potential life whereas everybody,
several explanations are commonly discussed. Number one is the time overlap.
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Civilizations may not exist simultaneously, even given a ten thousand
year time technological phase. That's minuscule on a cosmic timescale.
Number two is the distance. Galactic distances are vast. Signals
decay travel takes time, and geometry alone could isolate civilizations.
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Number three detectability. We've only been transmitting detectable signals for
about one hundred years. Advanced civilizations may use communication methods
that we have not yet been able to detect, or
they may be deliberately avoiding detection technology on Earth's struggles
to remain compatible year to year, so it's reasonable to
assume interstellar communication may face similar challenges. When we come back,
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we're going to look at arguments for and against aliens
visiting Earth. You're listening to beyond contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact. Now let's take a look at
some of the arguments for extraterustrial life having visited Earth.
We're going to be talking about evidence versus indicators, So
here's a helpful distinction. Evidence is something that can be
independently verified, tested, and examined. Indicators are patterns, testimonies, correlations,
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or repeated reports that suggest something may be happening, even
though they don't rise to the level of proof. Obviously,
a lot of what we're talking about here falls into
a category of an indicator. The arguments for visitation include
mathematical probability. We've already examined the mathematical potential within the
known universe, which strongly suggests the certainty of extraterrustrial life
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existing somewhere, and at least the possibility of a civilization
being able to develop the technology necessary to visit Earth.
Worldwide sightings and UAP eviden we have countless reports worldwide
of unexplained sightings in the sky. Beyond anecdotal reports, there
are UAP reports that have demonstrated advanced performance characteristics, and
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there are witness accounts that are corroborated by radar, infrared sensors,
visual observations, and we have multiple military pilot testimony. Many
of these incidents have been publicly acknowledged by the US
Department of Defense, and these reports document craft exhibit capabilities
beyond known human technology, at least as far as we
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know it, such as hypersonic speed without sonic booms, instantaneous acceleration,
no visible propulsion or exhaust, trans medium travel which is
through air, sea, and space with no change in velocity.
There's also the whistleblower testimony. There have been sworn testimonies
given from intelligence and military insiders, supported by classified documentation
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presented to the Inspectors General. Numerous high and government officials
have come forward making bold claims that non human technology exists,
putting their reputations and their careers at risk. There are
also the direct contactee accounts, which we talked about. This
group of people who have had direct first person encounters,
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often putting their reputations and their careers at risk as well.
We also have ancient and historical accounts, which is another
area of consideration which appears to suggest that advanced non
human encounters appear across many cultures. These include ancient texts,
art oral traditions describing beings and craft that resemble the
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modern UFO reports we get such as Ezekiel's wheel within
a wheel from the Bible, the Hindu Vimanas, the Mesoamerican
sky gods, the Australian Aboriginal sky people. Then there's megalithic monuments.
There are massive stone structures built with precision, astronomical alignments
and advanced mathematical knowledge that seem far beyond what is
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traditionally attributed to the cultures of the time. Some examples
of this include the Great Pyramid, constructed from approximately two
point three million stone blocks, some weighing fifty to eighty tons,
and they're all laid with near perfect precision, and the
entire structure is nearly perfect cardinal alignments and mathematical relationships
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tied to the earth dimensions. Pumapuku features h blocks that
appear to be clearly machine cut, saxe waman that has
razor tight stone joints and blocks weighing up to two
hundred tons. Ballbeck Lebanon has stones that exceed sixteen hundred tons.
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Non Midal was built over water using tens of thousands
of massive basalt columns transported from miles away. Lastly, there
are the physical trace evidence material. The UFO community often
points to cases involving physical trace evidence such as ground
depressions or sports vegetation, electromagnetic interference, radiation anomalies, and recovered
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materials with unusual isotopic ratios, including from alleged implants. Now,
let's look at some of the counter arguments against extraterrestrial visitation.
Here are the strongest skeptical positions stated plainly. Its extraordinary
claims require extraordinary evidence, and we do not yet have
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publicly available, independently testable proof that confirms non human visitation.
Most UFO reports, once investigated, resolve into mundane explanations. They're
either misidentifications, their sensor artifacts hoaxes, or their classified human technology.
And human perception is imperfect, especially under stress, especially at night,
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or an unusual viewing conditions, so the skeptical view is
the simplest explanation usually wins until hard evidence forces a change.
Number one, probability is not a certainty. While the universe
contains vast numbers of potentially habitable planets, that probability does
not equal a certainty. Additionally, we have not yet solved
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interstellar travel. Personally, I believe the interstellar travel is ultimately
just a matter of time and technology. People say that
sightings are not proof. The argument here is that sightings
alone do not confirm extraterrestrial origins, which is easy to
agree with. The vast majority of cases, once investigated, are
surely explained as misidentifications, hoaxes, sensor airrors, whatever. They could
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possibly be advanced foreign secret technologies, even though governments state
that these objects are not foreign adversaries. There's no way
to know with absolute certainty that new break cruse may
exist that we're not yet aware of. So for me,
this is a fair argument. In today's technological world, both
government and private aerospace companies alike could be developing highly
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classified technology whistleblower claims. Lack verification is another problem. While
credible officials have made extraordinary claims, verifiable physical evidence has
not yet been publicly produced. I find it significant that
these individuals of high rank and prestige are still willing
to go on the record and risk their careers stating
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that non human craft or materials exist. I do think
this should not be casually dismissed the contact the experiences.
Alternative explanations such as sleep paralysis, psychological phenomenon, or false
memories are often cited, and yes, claims alone do not
establish reality or proof, no doubt. Still, I personally find
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some of these accounts very compelling, especially and they're taken
in totality ancient interpretations. The arguments against these interpretations is
that we are projecting modern interpretations onto ancient stories. These
accounts could be symbolic, allegorical, or mythological, and none definitively
prove extraterrestrial visitation. I agree that this is a limitation. However,
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it remains intriguing how many of these ancient stories and
monuments we have, as they echo the modern and counter
reports and have similar themes. Lastly, is the megalithic construction explanation.
Skepsogogy is that these structures do not require outside knowledge
and could have been built with enough manpower and time,
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and perhaps their construction methods could have been lost to time.
That may be true, but for me, moving a sixteen
hundred ton stone block at Ballbeck still raises a reasonable
question to what end the same result could have been
achieved using smaller more manageable stones. So here's my take.
It is true that all evidence supporting non human intelligence
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visiting Earth is refutable, and none has reached the level
of undeniable proof. Belief levels exist on a spectrum. I
believe we should maintain an open mind and continue observing
as technology and evidence evolve, and continue to put resource
into scientific exploration of these topics. Unlike religion, which often
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requires belief in the supernatural, this hypothesis only requires belief
in technology and time, both of which we have repeatedly
overcome once impossible barriers for us. And one more note,
consciousness research is still in its earliest days. We don't
yet have a complete scientific model for consciousness, perception, or
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altered states. Yet those domains keep showing up around the
edges of this phenomenon. That doesn't prove anything either, but
it's a reminder that our map of reality is still
incomplete and will certainly change going forward, as it always does.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
For me.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's not a simple piece of evidence, but the totality,
the sheer number of potentially life bearing planets, the volume
of sightings, the credible officials risking their careers, the conviction
of the experiencers, the historical accounts and the massive megalithic structures,
some exceeding sixteen hundred tons taken all together, even at
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a one in a million chance, still feels compelling to me.
And after all of that, we only need one encounter
to be real, for the phenomenon itself to be real,
whatever that may be. So at this point I would say, yes, Virginia,
I believe there are aliens out there and some form
or another of them has most likely been here. Thank
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you for listening, but tell us what you think. Let
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