August 2, 2026 • 18 mins
Guest host Lisa Garr and paranormal historian Courtney McInvale discuss touring some of America's most haunted places.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
How look have you been doing the tours for in?
Is it in Connecticut?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Specifically?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
So I have tours in Connecticut and in Georgia right now,
so I'm kind of going between places and have teams
in both places right now, which kind of honors my
family heritage. But I started doing the tours in Mystic
Connecticut in twenty thirteen, so this is our thirteenth year
of doing haunted history tours.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What is it that sparked your fascination at about all
of the haunted history and the paranormal in the first place.
Tell me a little bit about your story.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Sure, I think it's really a mix of things. I
tell folks I grew up in New England, and New
England is no stranger to haunted occurrences and creepy old places,
and so if you grow up in New England, you'll
grow up in a house with creaky floorboards and flickering
lights oftentimes. But when I was getting older, the haunted
activity in our house to escalate, and more frightening things
(01:02):
seemed to happen. And it was around the time that
my father was running a business called post mortem cleanup,
and he was cleaning up homicides and suicides and it
was supplementing his police officer work. And my mom is
Irish Catholic, and so you know, we're inherently a little superstitious.
So she was calling the priest of the house, you know,
telling him it was haunted, and he didn't feel like
(01:24):
it was something he could help too much with. He
thought it was beyond him, and so he and some
other folks referred our family to Ed and Lorraine Warren
and they came to my house when I was fifteen.
So that initial experience with the paranormal, I think, was
always something I sort of wanted to understand later in
(01:45):
my life. But on a more nerdy note, I guess,
or factual note, my father was a history major, and
he read me history books as bedtime stories. My mother
was a teacher, and so I was raised with a
great love of history, and that's something that never really
left me. And so the idea of being able to
(02:05):
sort of combine the two and see how folklore and
tradition and storytelling have changed the landscape of America and
made us all who we are also helped me understand
the paranormal, and that's why I love giving the tours
and explaining the nuances of that in these regions to
our guests.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Now, who are the characters you just explained Ed and
Lorraine Warren? They sound significant in your life?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, I mean I think now they've become sort of
well known in the scheme of the paranormal because of
the Hollywood films, The Conjuring and Annabelle. So now I
just sort of presume people in the horn paranormal worlds
know them because those movies were loosely based on the
real folks. But they were a couple that resided in Connecticut,
(02:54):
and controversial though they may be, they were really pioneers
in the idea of paranormal investment, mitigation and home cleansings
and things like that. And because they were a Catholic
couple residing in Connecticut, it was something my family felt
was you know, right for them to call because they
were the only people at that time going to haunted
(03:15):
homes and helping folks and so having this sort of
pioneer of ghost hunting and Lorraine being a psychic come
to your house when you're you know, coming of age,
I think it was sort of a definitely a core
memory there and something that I would have to always
(03:36):
say influenced at least my curiosity in the paranormal of
nothing else.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I'm thig a celebrity in your own home.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So tell me a little bit about Tell me about
your history specifically, so as you went through this, and
this is your upbringing, so you're used to having these
conversations about the paranormal and ghosts and living in this way.
What led you to becoming working for the FBI and
(04:05):
so forth?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
How did you get into that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, So it's really funny. Even though I grew up
in a haunted house and the Warrens came, we lived
in a small town. And now I think people are
so much more open about sharing their experiences with the
unknown and discussing the possibilities of what they may be.
But even back when I was growing up in the
nineties and early two thousands, it was really kind of
(04:28):
considered the occult, and so my family really kept it
secret that this was going on. It wasn't public information,
and it wasn't something that I was going around being like,
this is going to be my career. So I went
to college and I was a really sort of studious
academic person, and I majored in international relations and studied abroad,
(04:51):
and through that I got these fabulous internship opportunities with
the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, which a lot of people
know is NCIS, and I just was so influenced and
mesmerized by my time there. I worked in cold case
homicide unit there, and I loved putting puzzle pieces together
and finding things that folks missed and you know, in
(05:14):
stories and crimes that were decades old, maybe even before me,
but being able to just find those missing parts. And
I really liked the idea of solving mysteries. And so
at the end of my college career, the Bureau was hiring.
There was a hiring blitz at that time, which was
very lucky because there was a recession happening at time,
(05:36):
and so I applied and graciously took the opportunity. After
my clearance passed and I was put in a counter
terrorism unit and I worked there for a time, but
I was not loving city life. I kind of missed
having my own freedoms in the country and didn't like
(05:56):
commuting in in the city every day. So I took
an opportunity that arose with Homeland Security and worked in
Vermont for a while, and that was the last government
job I had because in Vermont I met this fabulous
lady who gave ghost tours and wrote books up there,
and I was like, that's my dream. And yes, she
was a wonderful mentor to me. And you know, much
(06:20):
to the dismay of my mother, I left my very
secure government job and created a ghost tour company and
started writing haunted history books and just dove into my passion.
And you know, it was on a hope and a
prayer and no plan. I don't to tell people, maybe
not the most advisable, but it worked out.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's working out for you know. That's great.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What are some of the experience it's like, some of
your favorite experiences that you've had, especially in Mystic, Connecticut,
And can you tell us a little bit about the
history of that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
So, Mystic is this beautiful seaport community that's in far
southeast Connecticut. It's right near the shoreline and right on
the Mystic River, and they still have this historic drawbridge
that opens up in the center of town and the
quaint buildings and the Mystic Seaport Museum that's there, and
just sort of this very nautical vibe, and I've always
(07:13):
felt that water is sort of a conduit for spirit activity.
But they also have a rich Indigenous history there with
the Peaquot tribe who resided there. And in the sixteen thirties,
some of the early settlers actually burned Fort Mystic, which
was the Peaquot for and it killed the remaining hundreds
of residents of the Peaquot tribe that were there. And
(07:36):
ever since, Mystic has sort of had these mysterious fires
that have recurred in the community and continue to recur,
and so a lot of folks sort of liken that
back to almost that sentiment of what you put into
the land it gives back to you, and I think
so Mystic always had those deep roots. But it also
has connections to the Revolution and America becoming America, and
(07:59):
the War of eighteen twelve and attempted attacks on the
area and Benedict Arnold being from Mystic, and so there's
all this really rich early American history that's there, for
better or for worse, and there's tales there that have
to do with the Native Americans, Revolutionary War soldiers see
captains who didn't make it home, cryptids that lurk in
(08:21):
the river, and so our tours really try to encompass
all of that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
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Speaker 5 (08:34):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to
right epic Tis book.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Actually that got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
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Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement really going to work.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one the size for the warner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna wow, that's just been miraculous to
see them get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
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Speaker 5 (09:28):
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Speaker 6 (09:30):
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Speaker 3 (09:32):
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Speaker 6 (09:34):
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Speaker 3 (09:57):
Have you seen these first count.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I had experiences when I'm there, but nothing that I
would say terrifying. But there's a place called the Captain
Daniel Packer In and every experience I have there is
when I'm least expecting it, which I think is my
favorite kind because then I do get a little bit spooked,
and I like that. It's always when you're looking that
you don't get as scared. Right, But at the Captain
(10:22):
Daniel packer In, there was a seven year old girl
who passed there of scarlet fever and She was the
great grand niece of this seafaring fellow who created this
inn and is a whole character of himself, and people
have seen her, heard her giggling in the stairwell. And
the very first time I went in there to interview
the owner about the paranormal experiences to which they have
journals documenting them and this building for years that guests
(10:46):
can peruse while they're dining, right, she had this little
girl kept popping up in the room behind her. And
at that point we had not discussed Ada, who had
died in the building, or anything like that. And I said, oh, is.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
That your daughter?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And she said, well, I suppose I should tell you
about Aida, And all of a sudden, after she started
talking about it, the little girl stopped peeping her head
out from behind the room, and that's when I found
out Ada was this seven year old girl who passed
the scarlet fever in that room we were sitting in.
And I've hosted events there since where we've watched like
the you know, the covering that goes over the food
(11:21):
and the dinner plates actually lift off the food while
we're having a dinner event there. The bathroom doors have
locked themselves you can hear sounds, and so Aida is
probably one of the best show ghosts of mystic.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
When it comes to play events.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
She's so playful, and they sent us constant footage of
fireplaces starting themselves, music turning on, and it's all believed
a lot of it to be her boisterous spirit. I
do give graveyard tours too, and I've definitely seen shadows
and figures and captured voices and they many times as well.
(12:01):
So I'm always open minded to it, and I feel
that they're always around, but being able to get anything
that's considered evidential is always exciting.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Do you ever get scared or tricked by these ghosts?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I don't consider them tricksters. I always tell folks to
sort of approach spirits with two mindsets. One, if we're
operating under the theory that they're people who just lived
at a different time, then we approach them as we
would approach a living person with respect, and so if
we talk to them respectfully, we'll usually get that back.
(12:36):
Occasionally you might feel uncomfortable, but it's mostly because we
don't understand how we're experiencing a physical or audible sensation.
When someone doesn't have their physical vessel anymore, and that
can be a little bit disturbing. But if it's not
the fact that we're just communicating with a person who
no longer has their body, then a lot of times
(12:57):
I subscribe to the theory that we're sort of getting
a glimpse of a different time that's still existing in
their timeline and we're for some reason hearing it or
seeing it. And in that way, it's not that they're
trying to trick us, it's just that the veil is
thin between those timelines at that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It does give you kind of a sense of security
knowing that these beings can actually still communicate back to
this realm, and once they're gone, they're not gone. It
makes you really think about your own departed loved ones
that way, and they can they really come back? I mean,
(13:38):
if these ghosts can come back, then why can't our
loved ones or other ones that we really want to
summon to come back.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, we don't know
if it's a soul that's stuck, if it's someone that
we've summoned, if it's someone that's still here. And a
lot of times I think that's what we're trying to
figure out when we investigate. I think what we feel
a lot of times, or what I feel, at least
(14:07):
as a paranormal investigator and historian, is that when I
get a glimpse of anything, be it a figure on camera,
or I'm on a battlefield and I can actually hear
gunfire or cannon fire, and when I've captured that sort
of thing, I may not be able to tell you
if I'm hearing it in a different time, if it's
someone doing that because they know I'm there talking to them.
(14:30):
But I know that that shows that there's a powerful
energy within us as humans that transcend space and time,
and that in and of itself is comforting.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, it is, and it's it would be great if
these somehow we could summon that energy, especially if it's
from loved ones.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Is the right Was there for.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
A time where you saw this and multiple people saw
it at the same time, not just you, but other
people saw what was walking in the graveyard or showing
up on a you know, camera or television or something
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, So a lot a lot of times. That's
how I would always teach myself, you know that it
was valid what I was seeing. Does anyone else experience
anything that's with me or any of my friends feeling anything,
or any of my guests seeing anything. One time, I
was with a friend at the Gettysburg Battlefield and we
walked right out and heard drumming and we heard music,
(15:35):
and it was a bit of a stormy day. So
we thought that that was interesting that the reenactors, wherever
they may be, would have been so committed to continuing
their dunes because a thunderstorm was coming in and we
saw brownhog run around, and we didn't see the reenactors.
We just heard the music. And so we were walking
around the wheat field and the music stopped, and I
(15:56):
thought that they had sort of packed it in. But
I kind of was bums that I didn't record the sound.
And my friend was like, you should just put your
camera on. I'm going to put mine onto, and we
should see if we get anything. And so we're out there,
we're walking around. Another fifteen minutes pass and then the
drumming starts again, and I look at her and I
sort of mouthed to her, do you hear it? She
(16:17):
goes yes, And so we both made sure our cameras
were recording, and then someone else in our group went
and looked and realized that there were no reenactors around,
and the music only recorded on my camera and not hers,
and so we were kind of like, oh my gosh,
we all heard this in person and realized in that
(16:39):
moment that there was no one living there. And then
I did my weird history nerd thing and realized that
the exact time of day that we were there when
we first heard the music was when the skirmish in
the wheat field started, and the exact time of day
when we heard the second music was when it ended.
And so that was showing me that there was something
(17:01):
going on and beyond the veil of time that we
were hearing the battle march in and the battle march out.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That just got frozen in time. I mean, that was
such a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Too, eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, I w if if it's just because you are
so attuned to history and that time, you were able
to tune into that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But you said other people did too, right.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They heard it too. I will sometimes do things, and
of course this is a test. We're all just an
investigator's test. I'll sometimes play music from that era. When
I go out into a battlefield to see if there
is a spirit, would this trigger them? Would this be
a song they're familiar with, because I think that's something
you know, I would come back for music, So I think,
(17:48):
you know, maybe they would too, or at least it
would be of a familiarity and see if that does anything.
But interestingly enough, even in Gettysburg, there were soldiers who
fought there in eighteen sixty three who swore they saw
the ghost of George Washington from the seventeen eighties, you know,
long before they were there the twentieth Maine said that
(18:11):
they saw the ghost of George Washington leading them up
to their position on little Roundtop. So I think, you know,
maybe there's just no sense of time when it comes
to the unknown. So eighteen sixty three is a long
time ago for us because we look at it in
a linear way.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
How look have you been doing the tours for in?
Is it in Connecticut?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Specifically?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
So I have tours in Connecticut and in Georgia right now,
so I'm kind of going between places and have teams
in both places right now, which kind of honors my
family heritage. But I started doing the tours in Mystic
Connecticut in twenty thirteen, so this is our thirteenth year
of doing haunted history tours.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
What is it that sparked your fascination at about all
of the haunted history and the paranormal in the first place.
Tell me a little bit about your story.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Sure, I think it's really a mix of things. I
tell folks I grew up in New England, and New
England is no stranger to haunted occurrences and creepy old places,
and so if you grow up in New England, you'll
grow up in a house with creaky floorboards and flickering
lights oftentimes. But when I was getting older, the haunted
activity in our house to escalate, and more frightening things
(01:02):
seemed to happen. And it was around the time that
my father was running a business called post mortem cleanup,
and he was cleaning up homicides and suicides and it
was supplementing his police officer work. And my mom is
Irish Catholic, and so you know, we're inherently a little superstitious.
So she was calling the priest of the house, you know,
telling him it was haunted, and he didn't feel like
(01:24):
it was something he could help too much with. He
thought it was beyond him, and so he and some
other folks referred our family to Ed and Lorraine Warren
and they came to my house when I was fifteen.
So that initial experience with the paranormal, I think, was
always something I sort of wanted to understand later in
(01:45):
my life. But on a more nerdy note, I guess,
or factual note, my father was a history major, and
he read me history books as bedtime stories. My mother
was a teacher, and so I was raised with a
great love of history, and that's something that never really
left me. And so the idea of being able to
(02:05):
sort of combine the two and see how folklore and
tradition and storytelling have changed the landscape of America and
made us all who we are also helped me understand
the paranormal, and that's why I love giving the tours
and explaining the nuances of that in these regions to
our guests.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Now, who are the characters you just explained Ed and
Lorraine Warren? They sound significant in your life?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yes, I mean I think now they've become sort of
well known in the scheme of the paranormal because of
the Hollywood films, The Conjuring and Annabelle. So now I
just sort of presume people in the horn paranormal worlds
know them because those movies were loosely based on the
real folks. But they were a couple that resided in Connecticut,
(02:54):
and controversial though they may be, they were really pioneers
in the idea of paranormal investment, mitigation and home cleansings
and things like that. And because they were a Catholic
couple residing in Connecticut, it was something my family felt
was you know, right for them to call because they
were the only people at that time going to haunted
(03:15):
homes and helping folks and so having this sort of
pioneer of ghost hunting and Lorraine being a psychic come
to your house when you're you know, coming of age,
I think it was sort of a definitely a core
memory there and something that I would have to always
(03:36):
say influenced at least my curiosity in the paranormal of
nothing else.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I'm thig a celebrity in your own home.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So tell me a little bit about Tell me about
your history specifically, so as you went through this, and
this is your upbringing, so you're used to having these
conversations about the paranormal and ghosts and living in this way.
What led you to becoming working for the FBI and
(04:05):
so forth?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
How did you get into that?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, So it's really funny. Even though I grew up
in a haunted house and the Warrens came, we lived
in a small town. And now I think people are
so much more open about sharing their experiences with the
unknown and discussing the possibilities of what they may be.
But even back when I was growing up in the
nineties and early two thousands, it was really kind of
(04:28):
considered the occult, and so my family really kept it
secret that this was going on. It wasn't public information,
and it wasn't something that I was going around being like,
this is going to be my career. So I went
to college and I was a really sort of studious
academic person, and I majored in international relations and studied abroad,
(04:51):
and through that I got these fabulous internship opportunities with
the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, which a lot of people
know is NCIS, and I just was so influenced and
mesmerized by my time there. I worked in cold case
homicide unit there, and I loved putting puzzle pieces together
and finding things that folks missed and you know, in
(05:14):
stories and crimes that were decades old, maybe even before me,
but being able to just find those missing parts. And
I really liked the idea of solving mysteries. And so
at the end of my college career, the Bureau was hiring.
There was a hiring blitz at that time, which was
very lucky because there was a recession happening at time,
(05:36):
and so I applied and graciously took the opportunity. After
my clearance passed and I was put in a counter
terrorism unit and I worked there for a time, but
I was not loving city life. I kind of missed
having my own freedoms in the country and didn't like
(05:56):
commuting in in the city every day. So I took
an opportunity that arose with Homeland Security and worked in
Vermont for a while, and that was the last government
job I had because in Vermont I met this fabulous
lady who gave ghost tours and wrote books up there,
and I was like, that's my dream. And yes, she
was a wonderful mentor to me. And you know, much
(06:20):
to the dismay of my mother, I left my very
secure government job and created a ghost tour company and
started writing haunted history books and just dove into my passion.
And you know, it was on a hope and a
prayer and no plan. I don't to tell people, maybe
not the most advisable, but it worked out.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's working out for you know. That's great.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What are some of the experience it's like, some of
your favorite experiences that you've had, especially in Mystic, Connecticut,
And can you tell us a little bit about the
history of that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
So, Mystic is this beautiful seaport community that's in far
southeast Connecticut. It's right near the shoreline and right on
the Mystic River, and they still have this historic drawbridge
that opens up in the center of town and the
quaint buildings and the Mystic Seaport Museum that's there, and
just sort of this very nautical vibe, and I've always
(07:13):
felt that water is sort of a conduit for spirit activity.
But they also have a rich Indigenous history there with
the Peaquot tribe who resided there. And in the sixteen thirties,
some of the early settlers actually burned Fort Mystic, which
was the Peaquot for and it killed the remaining hundreds
of residents of the Peaquot tribe that were there. And
(07:36):
ever since, Mystic has sort of had these mysterious fires
that have recurred in the community and continue to recur,
and so a lot of folks sort of liken that
back to almost that sentiment of what you put into
the land it gives back to you, and I think
so Mystic always had those deep roots. But it also
has connections to the Revolution and America becoming America, and
(07:59):
the War of eighteen twelve and attempted attacks on the
area and Benedict Arnold being from Mystic, and so there's
all this really rich early American history that's there, for
better or for worse, and there's tales there that have
to do with the Native Americans, Revolutionary War soldiers see
captains who didn't make it home, cryptids that lurk in
(08:21):
the river, and so our tours really try to encompass
all of that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
And I know you're gonna want someth after hearing this.
This is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to
right epic Tis book.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Actually that got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement really going to work.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one the size for the warner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna wow, that's just been miraculous to
see them get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
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Speaker 3 (09:57):
Have you seen these first count.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I had experiences when I'm there, but nothing that I
would say terrifying. But there's a place called the Captain
Daniel Packer In and every experience I have there is
when I'm least expecting it, which I think is my
favorite kind because then I do get a little bit spooked,
and I like that. It's always when you're looking that
you don't get as scared. Right, But at the Captain
(10:22):
Daniel packer In, there was a seven year old girl
who passed there of scarlet fever and She was the
great grand niece of this seafaring fellow who created this
inn and is a whole character of himself, and people
have seen her, heard her giggling in the stairwell. And
the very first time I went in there to interview
the owner about the paranormal experiences to which they have
journals documenting them and this building for years that guests
(10:46):
can peruse while they're dining, right, she had this little
girl kept popping up in the room behind her. And
at that point we had not discussed Ada, who had
died in the building, or anything like that. And I said, oh, is.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
That your daughter?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And she said, well, I suppose I should tell you
about Aida, And all of a sudden, after she started
talking about it, the little girl stopped peeping her head
out from behind the room, and that's when I found
out Ada was this seven year old girl who passed
the scarlet fever in that room we were sitting in.
And I've hosted events there since where we've watched like
the you know, the covering that goes over the food
(11:21):
and the dinner plates actually lift off the food while
we're having a dinner event there. The bathroom doors have
locked themselves you can hear sounds, and so Aida is
probably one of the best show ghosts of mystic.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
When it comes to play events.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
She's so playful, and they sent us constant footage of
fireplaces starting themselves, music turning on, and it's all believed
a lot of it to be her boisterous spirit. I
do give graveyard tours too, and I've definitely seen shadows
and figures and captured voices and they many times as well.
(12:01):
So I'm always open minded to it, and I feel
that they're always around, but being able to get anything
that's considered evidential is always exciting.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Do you ever get scared or tricked by these ghosts?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I don't consider them tricksters. I always tell folks to
sort of approach spirits with two mindsets. One, if we're
operating under the theory that they're people who just lived
at a different time, then we approach them as we
would approach a living person with respect, and so if
we talk to them respectfully, we'll usually get that back.
(12:36):
Occasionally you might feel uncomfortable, but it's mostly because we
don't understand how we're experiencing a physical or audible sensation.
When someone doesn't have their physical vessel anymore, and that
can be a little bit disturbing. But if it's not
the fact that we're just communicating with a person who
no longer has their body, then a lot of times
(12:57):
I subscribe to the theory that we're sort of getting
a glimpse of a different time that's still existing in
their timeline and we're for some reason hearing it or
seeing it. And in that way, it's not that they're
trying to trick us, it's just that the veil is
thin between those timelines at that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It does give you kind of a sense of security
knowing that these beings can actually still communicate back to
this realm, and once they're gone, they're not gone. It
makes you really think about your own departed loved ones
that way, and they can they really come back? I mean,
(13:38):
if these ghosts can come back, then why can't our
loved ones or other ones that we really want to
summon to come back.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I mean I think, you know, we don't know
if it's a soul that's stuck, if it's someone that
we've summoned, if it's someone that's still here. And a
lot of times I think that's what we're trying to
figure out when we investigate. I think what we feel
a lot of times, or what I feel, at least
(14:07):
as a paranormal investigator and historian, is that when I
get a glimpse of anything, be it a figure on camera,
or I'm on a battlefield and I can actually hear
gunfire or cannon fire, and when I've captured that sort
of thing, I may not be able to tell you
if I'm hearing it in a different time, if it's
someone doing that because they know I'm there talking to them.
(14:30):
But I know that that shows that there's a powerful
energy within us as humans that transcend space and time,
and that in and of itself is comforting.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah, it is, and it's it would be great if
these somehow we could summon that energy, especially if it's
from loved ones.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Is the right Was there for.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
A time where you saw this and multiple people saw
it at the same time, not just you, but other
people saw what was walking in the graveyard or showing
up on a you know, camera or television or something
like that.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, So a lot a lot of times. That's
how I would always teach myself, you know that it
was valid what I was seeing. Does anyone else experience
anything that's with me or any of my friends feeling anything,
or any of my guests seeing anything. One time, I
was with a friend at the Gettysburg Battlefield and we
walked right out and heard drumming and we heard music,
(15:35):
and it was a bit of a stormy day. So
we thought that that was interesting that the reenactors, wherever
they may be, would have been so committed to continuing
their dunes because a thunderstorm was coming in and we
saw brownhog run around, and we didn't see the reenactors.
We just heard the music. And so we were walking
around the wheat field and the music stopped, and I
(15:56):
thought that they had sort of packed it in. But
I kind of was bums that I didn't record the sound.
And my friend was like, you should just put your
camera on. I'm going to put mine onto, and we
should see if we get anything. And so we're out there,
we're walking around. Another fifteen minutes pass and then the
drumming starts again, and I look at her and I
sort of mouthed to her, do you hear it? She
(16:17):
goes yes, And so we both made sure our cameras
were recording, and then someone else in our group went
and looked and realized that there were no reenactors around,
and the music only recorded on my camera and not hers,
and so we were kind of like, oh my gosh,
we all heard this in person and realized in that
(16:39):
moment that there was no one living there. And then
I did my weird history nerd thing and realized that
the exact time of day that we were there when
we first heard the music was when the skirmish in
the wheat field started, and the exact time of day
when we heard the second music was when it ended.
And so that was showing me that there was something
(17:01):
going on and beyond the veil of time that we
were hearing the battle march in and the battle march out.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That just got frozen in time. I mean, that was
such a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Too, eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, I w if if it's just because you are
so attuned to history and that time, you were able
to tune into that.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
But you said other people did too, right.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
They heard it too. I will sometimes do things, and
of course this is a test. We're all just an
investigator's test. I'll sometimes play music from that era. When
I go out into a battlefield to see if there
is a spirit, would this trigger them? Would this be
a song they're familiar with, because I think that's something
you know, I would come back for music, So I think,
(17:48):
you know, maybe they would too, or at least it
would be of a familiarity and see if that does anything.
But interestingly enough, even in Gettysburg, there were soldiers who
fought there in eighteen sixty three who swore they saw
the ghost of George Washington from the seventeen eighties, you know,
long before they were there the twentieth Maine said that
(18:11):
they saw the ghost of George Washington leading them up
to their position on little Roundtop. So I think, you know,
maybe there's just no sense of time when it comes
to the unknown. So eighteen sixty three is a long
time ago for us because we look at it in
a linear way.
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