February 28, 2026 • 17 mins
George Noory and author Rissa Miller explore her research into spirits and hauntings, why the sites of tragedies are more haunted, and why some people and animals can see ghosts while others can't.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's get back to hauntings and scary things. We were
talking about what kind of places generally have the most
ghost activity in your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So my personal take on that is that liminal places
have the most hauntings. Places that are kind of an
in between space or like a threshold or an edge space.
And there's a lot of different places that can be
liminal places. In a house, you have liminal places, you
have doorways, you have staircases, and it is not hallways.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All of these are places that people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Often will see hauntings. And you know, the world has
liminal places. Bridges, of course very big with hauntings, Hotels,
and of course crosses of rivers. You met you had
a bit earlier about Ellicott City. I'm super familiar with
Elicott City. It's a very liminal place. It's got a
(01:02):
very thin feeling to it. And I would say that
any space that has that sort of liminal quality, and
the way you know you're in a liminal space unless
you know, just listen to a definition I just.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Give you beyond that is the feeling.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There's a change of feeling. When you're in a liminal space,
you know you're at a threshold, you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Know it's different.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
There could be a temperature shift, there could be a
feeling of stillness or sort of like that loaded quiet,
and you could also just suddenly emotionally feel different for
no reason. Animals definitely sense them. I always say, I
don't know why more ghost hunting teams don't have a dog,
because dogs.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Are great at it.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have seen dogs go wild on my ghost tour
programs and then all the pictures on people's phones it's
just orbs everywhere.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But the dog's new first.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
How do they pick it up? Do they sense it,
do they feel it, do they see it? What do
they do?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
There's a lot of theories about that, and the truth
is we don't really know. But dogs have a whole
different and soda cats have a whole different set of
senses than we do. They hear on a different level
of hurts. They smell I think something like one thousand
percent more than us. I mean, it's something.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Wild like that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But we do know that dogs can sense changes in
atmospheric pressure. They can you know, they can do bomb sniffing,
they can smell COVID. They can do so many things
with their set of senses that we cannot, So it
certainly stands to reason that they know when there's a
haunting present. And I did read a news bit one
(02:40):
time about a ghost sunting team that used the dog,
and they always.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Trusted the dog.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They were like, if the dog says don't go in,
we don't go in. If the dog wants to investigate,
we go in and investigate. And they said that the
dog was never wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So why does it seem that tragic events tend to
be more haunted than normal events?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, that's a that's a great that's a great question.
And history is part of that answer, because so often
our tragedies, our losses are so emotional, they come with
so much grief and pain, and that lays down a
huge emotional imprint on a place as well as even
(03:25):
just like a whole community. And I think that that
particular part of the human experience is especially loaded. So
when you look through say popular places to see hauntings
like Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, for example, there was a tragedy there and.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
The land remembers, the land.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Remembers the thousands of people who died in the course
of three days, and the horrific aftermath for that community,
where like there were bodies in their water, and it
just so much about it was really difficult to live
through for the people who survived. And it's almost like
every single bit of Gettysburg was involved, and all of
(04:08):
those buildings, all of that land has a collective memory
of the tragedy that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
What do you think of these special places like cemeteries?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I love cemeteries. I think cemeteries are I personally
think they're a great place to study history because you
can tell when someone was buried by what their stone
looks like. Because how we have treated our dead over
time changes. I would say the trends change every seventy
(04:46):
to one hundred years. It changes how we treat our dead.
I mean, we're in one of those transitions right now
where it's gone from burials into more cremations, and it's
just the trend of putting our dead somewhere continually change. Now,
(05:06):
do cemeteries carry memory, Yes, they carry a lot of
grief and sorrow, But they carry a lot of grief
and sorrow from the living, not so much from the dead.
In my opinion, now, walking through an old Victorian cemetery
or a New Orleans cemetery, it is an amazing experience
because there's this fear built in because you're surrounded by death,
(05:27):
and it really makes you.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Think about your own mortality.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So I think that cemeteries are one of those fantastic
opportunities to hold up a mirror. And I think that's
even one of the reasons people love a ghost story.
It's a safe way to experience the idea of your
own mortality, outside of whether or not you've seen a
real ghost or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Richa does an emotion tend to bring out more spirits
and ghosts, Like you were talking about Marmaduke, the fact
that he hung himself and he was sad. Seems like
the more emotion there is, the more present.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think that's true. You know, we humans, we're really
messy creatures and many of us never learned to properly
handle emotions or process our feelings, and I think that
that leads to some of the most dramatic hauntings. You
know a great example, I'll take you back to Elicate City.
(06:23):
There's a story there of a young woman named Mary,
and Mary haunts a fantastic pub called the Judges Bench,
and to this day people encounter Mary. She died in
the nineteen sixties when she hanged herself and because she
couldn't marry the man she was in love with, her
parents said no and she saw no way out, so
(06:44):
her emotions won out, and to this day she is
still there, but her feeling has changed.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
She's no longer gery stricken in mourning.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
She's playful.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
She is who she was in her life before that
grief overtook.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Her, and yet she interacted with the pleasant spirit.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
What turned her into a jovial person.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't know her in her life that was before
I was alive. My guess is that because she was
only nineteen when she died, aside from the grief of
not being able to marry her love, she was probably
that person first. And as the decades have gone by
and the place has changed and her family is all gonne,
(07:27):
she probably just decided to enjoy her time.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
At the Judges Bench. So that's that's my guess.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I haven't actually gotten.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
To talk to her, and I know you're going to
want someone after hearing this. This is an amazing story.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean as significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement It's really going to work.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to
see them get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
It's great to see him so happy and.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah, confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Ti, this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome, another amazing story.
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Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now what does a ghost mean to you?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think there are two ways to look at ghosts
because I think there are two phenomenons that we categorize
as ghosts. So the first is the residual and my
favorite definition of that, as I said earlier, is a
scar on time space. It is not a haunting that
will ever really change.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's almost like a recording, right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm sure you're familiar with like the stone tape theory
and the theory that certain kinds of geology holds spirits better,
like limestone, for example. But I think that those are
pretty common, and I think that a lot of the
ghost people experience are just these echoes, these residual repetitive spirits,
(09:54):
because I know a lot of the ghost stories I
know they definitely fall into that category. But you know,
the other the intelligent hauntings. They're so fascinating, right.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Because what what are they?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The intelligent hauntings that know we're here, that are sentient,
that can you know, look at us, address us, move
stuff around.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Those are so so.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Fascinating and really different, and of course they have their flavors.
I think most of them personally are neutral. They're kind
of doing their things and you just happen to pass.
It's nothing personal.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You have what was it about little eight year old
Rissa Miller that was so special that allowed you to
see a spirit.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Done? Luck? You know.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Also, I think that kids are just more open.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I really genuinely believe that children haven't created this need
to rationalize everything, and they also they have the amazing
gift of being able to immerse themselves deeply in imagination.
Because kids, that's great, and when we're adults, we're like,
we're talking now, you have to do all the things
now and do the adulting right. But with children, there's
(11:07):
still this incredible openness. And I think that was definitely
true for me. I wasn't looking for a ghost. I
just happened to be in the same place with one, and.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
It didn't scare me.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like I said, because I was never taught to be afraid.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
And so.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I think me, like many other kids, just happened to
be able to see ghosts because we are open to
the possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Have people been hurt by ghosts physically, That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I have never met someone yet who who has that story.
I think that there's definitely I think there are malevolent
spirits out there, because I think there are malevolent people
out there, and I think that most ghosts are not malevolent.
I mean, knock on wood, George. I have yet to encore,
(12:00):
and I've been in the paranormal world a long time now.
I know if you watch some shows, you would think that,
like every basement is like packed water wall with malevolence.
But I just I don't think that's true. I haven't
found that, and I live in a very old part
of the country and I haven't. It just hasn't happened,
and they don't like me.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Maybe, but most of the spirits I've encountered have been inviduals,
followed by neutral to even kind friendly spirits, or just
ones that are playful. But absolutely it's a possibility. I
don't will anything out and I never like poopoo anyone's experience.
(12:39):
I think one of the biggest gifts of being a
ghost tour guide for so many years people trust me
with their stories. People wait until the end of a
tour because they're really looking for someone to tell their stories.
They won't say I think you're crazy. And I have
so many stories that I've collected from people about ghosts, cryptids,
(13:00):
about UFOs, that they come to a ghost tour to
find someone to listen to their story.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do you know John Zaphis. Have you heard of him?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He collects stories of ghostly attachments to things, to objects.
Why would they do that?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Why would a ghost attached to a thing? Well, I
think because it had a bond to it. And you know,
I know a great story of a rocking chair that
had a ghost attached to it that got returned to
an antique store over and over because people kept taking
it home and they're like, there's a man in a chair, Yeah,
(13:43):
but he wasn't leaving his chair.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So finally they sold it to an officer who was
stationed at.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Fort Meade in Maryland, and.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
The officer in the chair ghost seemed to get along
just fine. And the story circulated both Elicate City where
there was sold.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And for Mede.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I feel as though I've gotten lots of verification
that those two seem to get along just fine. But yeah,
I mean I think that you can, you know, think.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Of a favorite object of your own.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know, some people get very attached to a piece
of jewelry or to a favorite dress, and all of
these things can have, you know, a spirit that stays
with them, just like a spirit stays.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
With a house.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Why do some people have these kinds of attachments and
others don't?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's a great question. I don't know that anybody can
actually answer that, foreshore, because we just don't have the
science to understand it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yet. I think we will.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think, I honestly think we will. I mean, it's
it's only been this side of two hundred years that
we understood whether and stopped blaming it on witches.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But that said, I think that some people, again are
just open to it for various reasons, kind of like
children are more open to experiencing the paranormal. I think
that when you're talking about a spirit attachment or a person,
what happens is that some people are either vulnerable or
(15:09):
just simply open to it happening, and that can be caused.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
By so very much.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I know there are lots of theories around illnesses, and
when somebody is physically vulnerable, you know, a not so
great spirit can attach. I've definitely heard a lot of
stories of ghosts that like go home with people, even
like go for car rides with people. And I also
though sounding kind of fun, but it hasn't happened to me.
(15:39):
But then I guess the ghosts through things like short
out the electric in the car.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So they'll do all kinds of things they.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Do well, they're they're moving in energy, so that makes
sense they would short out your electric.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
What has been for you the most scariest moment of
your life?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Oh gosh, I'll have to think about that every.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Second, George.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
As far as I can tell you, I've never been
truly scared by anything paranormal. I feel safer dealing with
ghosts than I do with most real people.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I'm sure strange things have happened around you, right,
Sure strange.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Things have happened. But again, I don't always feel scared
by them. In fact, I don't usually feel scared by them.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think the one.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
This is the only time that I think I was
ever really scared of something that happened. I was staying
it somewhere that was not my home, and I woke
up with these handprints on the outside of the window.
This was not a first floor that the finger marks
were like dragged down the dust on the outside of
the window.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
There was no way.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Somebody could have been up that high, and it just
kind of made me feel extremely chilled, and I was
glad I was leaving that morning.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Let's get back to hauntings and scary things. We were
talking about what kind of places generally have the most
ghost activity in your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
So my personal take on that is that liminal places
have the most hauntings. Places that are kind of an
in between space or like a threshold or an edge space.
And there's a lot of different places that can be
liminal places. In a house, you have liminal places, you
have doorways, you have staircases, and it is not hallways.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All of these are places that people.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Often will see hauntings. And you know, the world has
liminal places. Bridges, of course very big with hauntings, Hotels,
and of course crosses of rivers. You met you had
a bit earlier about Ellicott City. I'm super familiar with
Elicott City. It's a very liminal place. It's got a
(01:02):
very thin feeling to it. And I would say that
any space that has that sort of liminal quality, and
the way you know you're in a liminal space unless
you know, just listen to a definition I just.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Give you beyond that is the feeling.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There's a change of feeling. When you're in a liminal space,
you know you're at a threshold, you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Know it's different.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
There could be a temperature shift, there could be a
feeling of stillness or sort of like that loaded quiet,
and you could also just suddenly emotionally feel different for
no reason. Animals definitely sense them. I always say, I
don't know why more ghost hunting teams don't have a dog,
because dogs.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Are great at it.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I have seen dogs go wild on my ghost tour
programs and then all the pictures on people's phones it's
just orbs everywhere.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
But the dog's new first.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
How do they pick it up? Do they sense it,
do they feel it, do they see it? What do
they do?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
There's a lot of theories about that, and the truth
is we don't really know. But dogs have a whole
different and soda cats have a whole different set of
senses than we do. They hear on a different level
of hurts. They smell I think something like one thousand
percent more than us. I mean, it's something.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Wild like that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
But we do know that dogs can sense changes in
atmospheric pressure. They can you know, they can do bomb sniffing,
they can smell COVID. They can do so many things
with their set of senses that we cannot, So it
certainly stands to reason that they know when there's a
haunting present. And I did read a news bit one
(02:40):
time about a ghost sunting team that used the dog,
and they always.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Trusted the dog.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They were like, if the dog says don't go in,
we don't go in. If the dog wants to investigate,
we go in and investigate. And they said that the
dog was never wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So why does it seem that tragic events tend to
be more haunted than normal events?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, that's a that's a great that's a great question.
And history is part of that answer, because so often
our tragedies, our losses are so emotional, they come with
so much grief and pain, and that lays down a
huge emotional imprint on a place as well as even
(03:25):
just like a whole community. And I think that that
particular part of the human experience is especially loaded. So
when you look through say popular places to see hauntings
like Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, for example, there was a tragedy there and.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
The land remembers, the land.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Remembers the thousands of people who died in the course
of three days, and the horrific aftermath for that community,
where like there were bodies in their water, and it
just so much about it was really difficult to live
through for the people who survived. And it's almost like
every single bit of Gettysburg was involved, and all of
(04:08):
those buildings, all of that land has a collective memory
of the tragedy that happened.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
What do you think of these special places like cemeteries?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I love cemeteries. I think cemeteries are I personally
think they're a great place to study history because you
can tell when someone was buried by what their stone
looks like. Because how we have treated our dead over
time changes. I would say the trends change every seventy
(04:46):
to one hundred years. It changes how we treat our dead.
I mean, we're in one of those transitions right now
where it's gone from burials into more cremations, and it's
just the trend of putting our dead somewhere continually change. Now,
(05:06):
do cemeteries carry memory, Yes, they carry a lot of
grief and sorrow, But they carry a lot of grief
and sorrow from the living, not so much from the dead.
In my opinion, now, walking through an old Victorian cemetery
or a New Orleans cemetery, it is an amazing experience
because there's this fear built in because you're surrounded by death,
(05:27):
and it really makes you.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Think about your own mortality.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So I think that cemeteries are one of those fantastic
opportunities to hold up a mirror. And I think that's
even one of the reasons people love a ghost story.
It's a safe way to experience the idea of your
own mortality, outside of whether or not you've seen a
real ghost or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Richa does an emotion tend to bring out more spirits
and ghosts, Like you were talking about Marmaduke, the fact
that he hung himself and he was sad. Seems like
the more emotion there is, the more present.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think that's true. You know, we humans, we're really
messy creatures and many of us never learned to properly
handle emotions or process our feelings, and I think that
that leads to some of the most dramatic hauntings. You
know a great example, I'll take you back to Elicate City.
(06:23):
There's a story there of a young woman named Mary,
and Mary haunts a fantastic pub called the Judges Bench,
and to this day people encounter Mary. She died in
the nineteen sixties when she hanged herself and because she
couldn't marry the man she was in love with, her
parents said no and she saw no way out, so
(06:44):
her emotions won out, and to this day she is
still there, but her feeling has changed.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
She's no longer gery stricken in mourning.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
She's playful.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
She is who she was in her life before that
grief overtook.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Her, and yet she interacted with the pleasant spirit.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
What turned her into a jovial person.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I didn't know her in her life that was before
I was alive. My guess is that because she was
only nineteen when she died, aside from the grief of
not being able to marry her love, she was probably
that person first. And as the decades have gone by
and the place has changed and her family is all gonne,
(07:27):
she probably just decided to enjoy her time.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
At the Judges Bench. So that's that's my guess.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I haven't actually gotten.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
To talk to her, and I know you're going to
want someone after hearing this. This is an amazing story.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean as significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement It's really going to work.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to
see them get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
It's great to see him so happy and.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah, confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.
Speaker 7 (08:43):
Ti, this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome, another amazing story.
Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them to awaken your
immune system and protect yourself now called one eight sixty
six eight three six eighty seven thirty five. That's one
eight six six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
Visit carnivora dot com c A r niv O r
(09:04):
A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now what does a ghost mean to you?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think there are two ways to look at ghosts
because I think there are two phenomenons that we categorize
as ghosts. So the first is the residual and my
favorite definition of that, as I said earlier, is a
scar on time space. It is not a haunting that
will ever really change.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's almost like a recording, right.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm sure you're familiar with like the stone tape theory
and the theory that certain kinds of geology holds spirits better,
like limestone, for example. But I think that those are
pretty common, and I think that a lot of the
ghost people experience are just these echoes, these residual repetitive spirits,
(09:54):
because I know a lot of the ghost stories I
know they definitely fall into that category. But you know,
the other the intelligent hauntings. They're so fascinating, right.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Because what what are they?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
The intelligent hauntings that know we're here, that are sentient,
that can you know, look at us, address us, move
stuff around.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Those are so so.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Fascinating and really different, and of course they have their flavors.
I think most of them personally are neutral. They're kind
of doing their things and you just happen to pass.
It's nothing personal.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You have what was it about little eight year old
Rissa Miller that was so special that allowed you to
see a spirit.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Done? Luck? You know.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Also, I think that kids are just more open.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I really genuinely believe that children haven't created this need
to rationalize everything, and they also they have the amazing
gift of being able to immerse themselves deeply in imagination.
Because kids, that's great, and when we're adults, we're like,
we're talking now, you have to do all the things
now and do the adulting right. But with children, there's
(11:07):
still this incredible openness. And I think that was definitely
true for me. I wasn't looking for a ghost. I
just happened to be in the same place with one, and.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
It didn't scare me.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Like I said, because I was never taught to be afraid.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
And so.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I think me, like many other kids, just happened to
be able to see ghosts because we are open to
the possibility.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Have people been hurt by ghosts physically, That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I have never met someone yet who who has that story.
I think that there's definitely I think there are malevolent
spirits out there, because I think there are malevolent people
out there, and I think that most ghosts are not malevolent.
I mean, knock on wood, George. I have yet to encore,
(12:00):
and I've been in the paranormal world a long time now.
I know if you watch some shows, you would think that,
like every basement is like packed water wall with malevolence.
But I just I don't think that's true. I haven't
found that, and I live in a very old part
of the country and I haven't. It just hasn't happened,
and they don't like me.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Maybe, but most of the spirits I've encountered have been inviduals,
followed by neutral to even kind friendly spirits, or just
ones that are playful. But absolutely it's a possibility. I
don't will anything out and I never like poopoo anyone's experience.
(12:39):
I think one of the biggest gifts of being a
ghost tour guide for so many years people trust me
with their stories. People wait until the end of a
tour because they're really looking for someone to tell their stories.
They won't say I think you're crazy. And I have
so many stories that I've collected from people about ghosts, cryptids,
(13:00):
about UFOs, that they come to a ghost tour to
find someone to listen to their story.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Do you know John Zaphis. Have you heard of him?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
He collects stories of ghostly attachments to things, to objects.
Why would they do that?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Why would a ghost attached to a thing? Well, I
think because it had a bond to it. And you know,
I know a great story of a rocking chair that
had a ghost attached to it that got returned to
an antique store over and over because people kept taking
it home and they're like, there's a man in a chair, Yeah,
(13:43):
but he wasn't leaving his chair.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
So finally they sold it to an officer who was
stationed at.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Fort Meade in Maryland, and.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
The officer in the chair ghost seemed to get along
just fine. And the story circulated both Elicate City where
there was sold.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
And for Mede.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I feel as though I've gotten lots of verification
that those two seem to get along just fine. But yeah,
I mean I think that you can, you know, think.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Of a favorite object of your own.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know, some people get very attached to a piece
of jewelry or to a favorite dress, and all of
these things can have, you know, a spirit that stays
with them, just like a spirit stays.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
With a house.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Why do some people have these kinds of attachments and
others don't?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That's a great question. I don't know that anybody can
actually answer that, foreshore, because we just don't have the
science to understand it.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yet. I think we will.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think, I honestly think we will. I mean, it's
it's only been this side of two hundred years that
we understood whether and stopped blaming it on witches.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But that said, I think that some people, again are
just open to it for various reasons, kind of like
children are more open to experiencing the paranormal. I think
that when you're talking about a spirit attachment or a person,
what happens is that some people are either vulnerable or
(15:09):
just simply open to it happening, and that can be caused.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
By so very much.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I know there are lots of theories around illnesses, and
when somebody is physically vulnerable, you know, a not so
great spirit can attach. I've definitely heard a lot of
stories of ghosts that like go home with people, even
like go for car rides with people. And I also
though sounding kind of fun, but it hasn't happened to me.
(15:39):
But then I guess the ghosts through things like short
out the electric in the car.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
So they'll do all kinds of things they.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Do well, they're they're moving in energy, so that makes
sense they would short out your electric.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
What has been for you the most scariest moment of
your life?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Oh gosh, I'll have to think about that every.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Second, George.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
As far as I can tell you, I've never been
truly scared by anything paranormal. I feel safer dealing with
ghosts than I do with most real people.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But I'm sure strange things have happened around you, right,
Sure strange.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Things have happened. But again, I don't always feel scared
by them. In fact, I don't usually feel scared by them.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think the one.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
This is the only time that I think I was
ever really scared of something that happened. I was staying
it somewhere that was not my home, and I woke
up with these handprints on the outside of the window.
This was not a first floor that the finger marks
were like dragged down the dust on the outside of
the window.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
There was no way.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Somebody could have been up that high, and it just
kind of made me feel extremely chilled, and I was
glad I was leaving that morning.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
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