March 6, 2026 • 20 mins
George Noory and author Nick Jankel explore his work on opening human consciousness to gain enlightenment, his techniques to improve the connection to your own consciousness, and whether there is a difference between intuition and consciousness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Glory with you. Nick Jenkle with
us as an authority on unlocking and integrating meaningful change, innovation,
and transformation in our daily experience and existence. He has
three decades of experience as a thought leader, futurist and
entrepreneur and has coached and developed more than one hundred
(00:25):
thousand senior leaders. How many books do you have out now?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, I've got six books written on the sixth one
it will be out in the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Probably good for you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You let us know when that's ready and we'll mention
that what's that title.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
You come up with the greatest titles for books.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It was actually a co creation with Ai. That one excellent.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That should be a big hit too. AI is all
over the map these days, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How did you get involved in studying human consciousness?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Wow? I mean most obviously through my own curiosity. I remember.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Sitting in Barmetzva class when I was twelve, listening to
the synagogue service in Hebrew and English, and it's going
this isn't really that interesting to me?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There must be something more interesting about how I think
and what I think and why I think. And then
I realized it's not just about thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's about feeling and sensing and connecting and relating. And
so I just exploded into psychotherapy. Having psychotherapy, I studied philosophy,
I studied science, studied medicine, and then spent the last
thirty years exploring and experimenting on a daily basis with
(01:57):
my own consciousness, and I guess helping other people explore
and experiment with their own.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
What does human consciousness.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mean to you, Nick, depends which day you asked me.
No one knows how to describe it. That's been one
of the great challenges of philosophy for you know, five
thousand years. But the easiest way I think of it
is what goes on when I close my eyes and
I turn the light of awareness. Let's say, back on myself,
(02:32):
and I feel some staff, I sent some stuff, I
think some stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's consciousness. It's what's happening on the inside.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You call it your inner subjective world. What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, because people get stuck in consciousness being thought and
consciousness is a lot more than just thought. So it's
your inner world, and it's your subjective world. It's your
idea of there's a subject that's.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
You, me, everyone, And it's the experience of what it's
like to be me or you inside, not what other
people can see or measure necessarily, but what I experience
of myself being myself, which can start off to be
quite small, but over.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
A lifetime of studying your.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Own awareness, your own experience, you can find some incredible
depths and riches, like a rainbow of possibilities.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do you find that most people tap into their consciousness
to get things done or do they even know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
They do?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But I think it's a very limited aspect of it.
It's the repetitive habitual set of scripts, if you like,
which is you know, I'm the controlling script, I'm the.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Having fun playing sport, watching TV. So we get stuck
in these.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Grooves, if you like, and we don't realize we've got
a limitless number of records to play in our consciousness,
and we get stuck playing five records.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I think what I've.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Learned, and I'm still learning, and I'm in my fifties
and I'm still finding new aspects of my consciousness when
I look inside.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Does consciousness make somebody a better person?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I think if you commit to exploring the inside of you,
and that means you're going to find some things that
are painful, and you're going to find some things that
are sad, and you're going to find some things that
are maybe a bit ugly, if you are willing to
experience those aspects of your consciousness. What I've learned, what
(04:56):
I've discovered, it's probably one of the most important things
that I could give anyone to, one of the greatest
gifts in the world, is that if you prepare to
sit with those things inside your awareness, they kind of disappear,
or they transform, or they transmute, or they alchemize, and
they become wisdom, they become grief, they become growth, they've
(05:19):
become strength. So I do believe that if we can
have the bulls to expect, you know, to sit there
in our own awareness and not get distracted, we do
actually become better people.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Ultimately.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
You argue in your book Spiritual Atheists, which is a
great title, that modern science basically pooh pooed human consciousness
and there was a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What happened, well, This is interesting because I actually went
to a college that is one of the great science
centers of the world, and I was very anti spiritual
and very much into just if you can't measure it,
you can't see it, you can't prove it, it doesn't
(06:03):
mean it doesn't exist. And once I got into my
inner world and what most people will call spirituality that
I don't even know what that means anymore. I started
writing this book, Spiritual Atheists, and I was like, because
I wanted to try and find the way through being
a science lover, but also knowing there's something there are
things that science can't speak to or talk about. And
(06:27):
I went back into the history of science and I
discovered that one of the great early scientists, Galilea, he
was you know, studying things as scientists were doing in
those days, you know, looking at the moon and looking
at Jupiter and looking at color and stuff, and realized
that anything that's in that internal subjective experience, it can't
(06:49):
be pinned down. So he decided to split the world
into two types of things what he called primary properties,
which are you know, speed, need mass, acceleration, which we
thinks we can measure with us some kind of measurement machine.
And then he created this other thing called secondary qualities,
(07:12):
which are things like smell and taste and feeling and
all those things, and basically one think of the rest.
He said, look, we can't study those things because they
don't they're not measurable, so let's just not talk about them.
He didn't necessarily mean it don't exist, but you fast
forward a few hundred years, and the general modern mind says,
(07:35):
if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. It's not real,
and it's caused us a massive problem because we don't
know where psychology lives, we don't know where spirituality lives,
because you can't re measure a lot of these things.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So part of my.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Life's work really is to what's the word, to sort
of rehabilitate this inner consciousness into science so that we
don't see them as two totally different things, but two
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
Nick In the subjective awareness of consciousness, some people are
more aware of their thoughts, feelings, in existence and surroundings
than others. Is that something you can train somebody to do.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I mean I didn't start out.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean I was always curious, and that's probably like
one oh one curiosity. If you're curious, you follow the
break drums of your own awareness.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Absolutely, there are all these different practices that you can do.
And I use the word practice very specifically because you
have to keep practicing.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You don't just do it once. And the way I've.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Always talked about it with clients and with people I
work with is that if you become a martial artist,
you become a black belt in carate or something kung fu,
you don't just get the black belt and then you
stop and that's the end.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Of your whole kung fu life.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You keep you practice every day, same as if you're
a jazz musician, you practice every day. So if you
want to explore your consciousness and expand your consciousness and
view that in the world. And it's extremely practical, and
I'm sure we can talk about the practicality of it
at some point. You have to keep practicing daily, So
I practice daily hours, you know, pop out hours every day.
And there are lots of different tools if you like
(10:50):
practices you can use. I have a color coded way
of explaining them. But there are just different ways to
get it, get into it. And yeah, I usually say
to people, pick one for right now, you can try
another one in six months or a year, and just
go for it and see what comes up when you
keep returning to this inner life and don't just watch Netflix.
(11:12):
And I love Netflix, but if I don't do my
inner practice, I lose touch with myself and I become
less fluid and less adaptive and less creative.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is intuition close to consciousness or separate?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Funny enough, inturition was what I was going to do
my PhD on thirty odd years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Didn't do one in the.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
End, But yes, intuition is a part of consciousness. It's
this uncanny sense that something is real or true or
interesting or important, but there's no sort of logic flow
or rationality for it. It doesn't have a you didn't
just read it in the New Yorker, you didn't just
(11:55):
watch it on the news. It's not something you learned,
and yet it feels true and important as something to
pay attention to, and different cultures have different words for it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So I think intuition is one of the most.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Important guides to learn how to listen to and use.
But it's a cheeky thing because sometimes what I call
instinct masquerades is intuition. And instinct is like fast and
hot and it's defensive and protective. Intuition is slow and calm,
(12:28):
and it sort of tickles you, it seduces you forward,
it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's not urgent and scary. It's much more, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The still small voice of calm that guides you with
this certainty that can't be explained.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Is intuition psychic?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Possibly? Possibly? So.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My wife and I work together and she's much more
into the psychic sort of world. She has guides and
things like that, But we teach together on stage, right,
So we have to have a way of looking about
these things that allow for our slightly different personal experiences. Really,
so what we basically say, is whether it's an entity
(13:12):
or entities, or a god, or a past life or
a future life, or a different universe, or an alien
or intuition as I would call it, doesn't really matter
where it comes from so much as how we hear
it and how we pay attention to it, and how
we clarify it and how we act on it.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
So I'm fairly agnostic.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
About what it is. You know, it could be all
manner of things, and maybe all of them at the
same time. What's important is that we learn to trust
it because in the most difficult situations of our life,
there is nothing other than that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Really, do you find nick that most successful people are
intuitive people.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Which funny, actually, there's some research that came out years
ago that I like to use with with smart people
who don't know about don't think insurition is part of
their part of their.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah so, And actually they did a study on traders
in Wall Street and those that used both data and
injuition did much better with the returns.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I think it is for everyone.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think it is very important, and it's definitely a
success because a lot of situations we face, particularly right now,
we've got some crazy stuff going on in the world
all the time, like literally every week, crazier stuff, and
there aren't lots of there's lots of research on it.
We can't just go back to the data and go oh,
(14:46):
in this kind of situation, you do this. There's no
best practice but living in an ai transition. So intuition
is your your your friend because the data, the reason,
the logic doesn't have much to give you.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You wrote a book for your teenage son sometime ago
called Rise the Four Elementals. What are the four Elementals?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, it's a funny story of that story.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Did he read the book?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't know, because he actually she was taken from
me and it was a way of me communicating with
him and I think also healing myself. So that the
elementals there are kind of my take on the archetypes
on like these forces within us.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
But I've I've done gone a bit further and map them.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Onto onto various different brain networks so that they feel
a bit more real to people. So the four elementals
that we can all tap into at any time, and
two of them are more familiar to most people. So
there's the what I call the commander, who's the control function,
the smarty pants, the clever one, the one who got
(15:58):
good grades or can get good grades. There is the
sort of defender, the protector, strong and will fight if needed,
or will run away if that's about a situation. So
those the one that most people rely on. And there's
two others which I think are very important. One is
the creator, the person who can part of you that
(16:22):
can have a new idea, experiment, imagine something and go, hey,
what about this. And then the one that's probably most
overlooked is the connector, the one that relates to people.
Doesn't care about solving the problem, it cares how everyone's
feeling about it. And so all of these four are
very useful in different situations. And one this is just
(16:44):
one of the tools that we teach people is how to.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Befriend the elementals that they're.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Least least familiar with with with using in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Do we have these four elements within us all the time?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Oh? Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I mean I think they actually do map onto these
brain networks. So depending on which part of your nervous
system you're operating from, you'll show up as either creative, connective, protective,
or controlling. And all of them are good, just so
I want everyone to know none of them are bad.
(17:26):
We wouldn't have them, we wouldn't have evolved these incredible
hours if they were bad.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
But we can get a bit wedded to some of them.
That's that's the bit.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I would guess Nick, some people would use these
elementals naturally without much effort.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think most people favor one as they get older,
you know, maybe because their siblings didn't take up one
of them so they did, or their dad or their mom,
or it's just their talent, you know, Like some people
just love talking to people and being connected and listening
and healing and being a therapist or a social work or.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You know, a parent or a care and other people really.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Love math and problem solving and organizing what I bathfully
call the greatest spreadsheet ever. You know that sometimes people
love Some people love that. So yes, some of these
things are natural to some. And then the question is
which ones you find difficult and what you're going to
do to develop some muscle in the elementals that aren't
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so natural to you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What is a person lacking if they don't tap into consciousness.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, I'm going to give you two things and
sometimes I can't even believe how powerful this stuff is.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So the first one is an endless.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Resource of essentially creativity and hope. So I've been through
some pretty gnarly experiences and the last few years, and
without going inside and tapping into this vastness inside, I
don't think. I don't know how I would have been
able to make it, honestly, because within that, in a vastness,
(19:17):
it's like oceanic there's no limits to what you can
feel inside.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
When you when you, when you learn how.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
To feel fully comes all this creativity and all this
hope and all this and a move towards healing and
moved towards connecting togetherness and being open and something that
I and I and others in my field talk about
called a liveness. You're tapping into the aliveness of you,
(19:43):
that basically the bit of nature that as you be
alive today, that all your ancestors right back to wherever
you are millions of years ago, they all succeeded so
you could be here through this aliveness.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So that's the first thing that you get access to.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But the second thing is is, I guess let's just
call it something larger than me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And so people will have that be a.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The one God that you know, their one God or
many gods, or the universe or nature.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
There's a lot of words for what that might be.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But without that thing bigger than you, it feels to
me like the world is too big for us.
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And welcome back George Glory with you. Nick Jenkle with
us as an authority on unlocking and integrating meaningful change, innovation,
and transformation in our daily experience and existence. He has
three decades of experience as a thought leader, futurist and
entrepreneur and has coached and developed more than one hundred
(00:25):
thousand senior leaders. How many books do you have out now?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, I've got six books written on the sixth one
it will be out in the next six weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Probably good for you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You let us know when that's ready and we'll mention
that what's that title.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Going to be? Speak, Electric, Lead, Magnetic.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You come up with the greatest titles for books.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It was actually a co creation with Ai. That one excellent.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That should be a big hit too. AI is all
over the map these days, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
How did you get involved in studying human consciousness?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Wow? I mean most obviously through my own curiosity. I remember.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Sitting in Barmetzva class when I was twelve, listening to
the synagogue service in Hebrew and English, and it's going
this isn't really that interesting to me?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There must be something more interesting about how I think
and what I think and why I think. And then
I realized it's not just about thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's about feeling and sensing and connecting and relating. And
so I just exploded into psychotherapy. Having psychotherapy, I studied philosophy,
I studied science, studied medicine, and then spent the last
thirty years exploring and experimenting on a daily basis with
(01:57):
my own consciousness, and I guess helping other people explore
and experiment with their own.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
What does human consciousness.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mean to you, Nick, depends which day you asked me.
No one knows how to describe it. That's been one
of the great challenges of philosophy for you know, five
thousand years. But the easiest way I think of it
is what goes on when I close my eyes and
I turn the light of awareness. Let's say, back on myself,
(02:32):
and I feel some staff, I sent some stuff, I
think some stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
That's consciousness. It's what's happening on the inside.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You call it your inner subjective world. What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Well, because people get stuck in consciousness being thought and
consciousness is a lot more than just thought. So it's
your inner world, and it's your subjective world. It's your
idea of there's a subject that's.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
You, me, everyone, And it's the experience of what it's
like to be me or you inside, not what other
people can see or measure necessarily, but what I experience
of myself being myself, which can start off to be
quite small, but over.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
A lifetime of studying your.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Own awareness, your own experience, you can find some incredible
depths and riches, like a rainbow of possibilities.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Do you find that most people tap into their consciousness
to get things done or do they even know.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
They do?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But I think it's a very limited aspect of it.
It's the repetitive habitual set of scripts, if you like,
which is you know, I'm the controlling script, I'm the.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Having fun playing sport, watching TV. So we get stuck
in these.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Grooves, if you like, and we don't realize we've got
a limitless number of records to play in our consciousness,
and we get stuck playing five records.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I think what I've.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Learned, and I'm still learning, and I'm in my fifties
and I'm still finding new aspects of my consciousness when
I look inside.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Does consciousness make somebody a better person?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Great question?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I think if you commit to exploring the inside of you,
and that means you're going to find some things that
are painful, and you're going to find some things that
are sad, and you're going to find some things that
are maybe a bit ugly, if you are willing to
experience those aspects of your consciousness. What I've learned, what
(04:56):
I've discovered, it's probably one of the most important things
that I could give anyone to, one of the greatest
gifts in the world, is that if you prepare to
sit with those things inside your awareness, they kind of disappear,
or they transform, or they transmute, or they alchemize, and
they become wisdom, they become grief, they become growth, they've
(05:19):
become strength. So I do believe that if we can
have the bulls to expect, you know, to sit there
in our own awareness and not get distracted, we do
actually become better people.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Ultimately.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
You argue in your book Spiritual Atheists, which is a
great title, that modern science basically pooh pooed human consciousness
and there was a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
What happened, well, This is interesting because I actually went
to a college that is one of the great science
centers of the world, and I was very anti spiritual
and very much into just if you can't measure it,
you can't see it, you can't prove it, it doesn't
(06:03):
mean it doesn't exist. And once I got into my
inner world and what most people will call spirituality that
I don't even know what that means anymore. I started
writing this book, Spiritual Atheists, and I was like, because
I wanted to try and find the way through being
a science lover, but also knowing there's something there are
things that science can't speak to or talk about. And
(06:27):
I went back into the history of science and I
discovered that one of the great early scientists, Galilea, he
was you know, studying things as scientists were doing in
those days, you know, looking at the moon and looking
at Jupiter and looking at color and stuff, and realized
that anything that's in that internal subjective experience, it can't
(06:49):
be pinned down. So he decided to split the world
into two types of things what he called primary properties,
which are you know, speed, need mass, acceleration, which we
thinks we can measure with us some kind of measurement machine.
And then he created this other thing called secondary qualities,
(07:12):
which are things like smell and taste and feeling and
all those things, and basically one think of the rest.
He said, look, we can't study those things because they
don't they're not measurable, so let's just not talk about them.
He didn't necessarily mean it don't exist, but you fast
forward a few hundred years, and the general modern mind says,
(07:35):
if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. It's not real,
and it's caused us a massive problem because we don't
know where psychology lives, we don't know where spirituality lives,
because you can't re measure a lot of these things.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So part of my.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Life's work really is to what's the word, to sort
of rehabilitate this inner consciousness into science so that we
don't see them as two totally different things, but two
parts of one home.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
And I know you're gonna want someth after hearing this,
this is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:22):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
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Speaker 6 (08:34):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
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You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
one the size of the wanner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see him
get into a pair of shoes.
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Speaker 2 (09:31):
Nick In the subjective awareness of consciousness, some people are
more aware of their thoughts, feelings, in existence and surroundings
than others. Is that something you can train somebody to do.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I mean I didn't start out.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean I was always curious, and that's probably like
one oh one curiosity. If you're curious, you follow the
break drums of your own awareness.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Absolutely, there are all these different practices that you can do.
And I use the word practice very specifically because you
have to keep practicing.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You don't just do it once. And the way I've.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Always talked about it with clients and with people I
work with is that if you become a martial artist,
you become a black belt in carate or something kung fu,
you don't just get the black belt and then you
stop and that's the end.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Of your whole kung fu life.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You keep you practice every day, same as if you're
a jazz musician, you practice every day. So if you
want to explore your consciousness and expand your consciousness and
view that in the world. And it's extremely practical, and
I'm sure we can talk about the practicality of it
at some point. You have to keep practicing daily, So
I practice daily hours, you know, pop out hours every day.
And there are lots of different tools if you like
(10:50):
practices you can use. I have a color coded way
of explaining them. But there are just different ways to
get it, get into it. And yeah, I usually say
to people, pick one for right now, you can try
another one in six months or a year, and just
go for it and see what comes up when you
keep returning to this inner life and don't just watch Netflix.
(11:12):
And I love Netflix, but if I don't do my
inner practice, I lose touch with myself and I become
less fluid and less adaptive and less creative.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Is intuition close to consciousness or separate?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Funny enough, inturition was what I was going to do
my PhD on thirty odd years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Didn't do one in the.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
End, But yes, intuition is a part of consciousness. It's
this uncanny sense that something is real or true or
interesting or important, but there's no sort of logic flow
or rationality for it. It doesn't have a you didn't
just read it in the New Yorker, you didn't just
(11:55):
watch it on the news. It's not something you learned,
and yet it feels true and important as something to
pay attention to, and different cultures have different words for it.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So I think intuition is one of the most.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Important guides to learn how to listen to and use.
But it's a cheeky thing because sometimes what I call
instinct masquerades is intuition. And instinct is like fast and
hot and it's defensive and protective. Intuition is slow and calm,
(12:28):
and it sort of tickles you, it seduces you forward,
it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
It's not urgent and scary. It's much more, you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
The still small voice of calm that guides you with
this certainty that can't be explained.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Is intuition psychic?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Possibly? Possibly? So.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My wife and I work together and she's much more
into the psychic sort of world. She has guides and
things like that, But we teach together on stage, right,
So we have to have a way of looking about
these things that allow for our slightly different personal experiences. Really,
so what we basically say, is whether it's an entity
(13:12):
or entities, or a god, or a past life or
a future life, or a different universe, or an alien
or intuition as I would call it, doesn't really matter
where it comes from so much as how we hear
it and how we pay attention to it, and how
we clarify it and how we act on it.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
So I'm fairly agnostic.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
About what it is. You know, it could be all
manner of things, and maybe all of them at the
same time. What's important is that we learn to trust
it because in the most difficult situations of our life,
there is nothing other than that.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Really, do you find nick that most successful people are
intuitive people.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Which funny, actually, there's some research that came out years
ago that I like to use with with smart people
who don't know about don't think insurition is part of
their part of their.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Thing.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah so, And actually they did a study on traders
in Wall Street and those that used both data and
injuition did much better with the returns.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So I think it is for everyone.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think it is very important, and it's definitely a
success because a lot of situations we face, particularly right now,
we've got some crazy stuff going on in the world
all the time, like literally every week, crazier stuff, and
there aren't lots of there's lots of research on it.
We can't just go back to the data and go oh,
(14:46):
in this kind of situation, you do this. There's no
best practice but living in an ai transition. So intuition
is your your your friend because the data, the reason,
the logic doesn't have much to give you.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
You wrote a book for your teenage son sometime ago
called Rise the Four Elementals. What are the four Elementals?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, it's a funny story of that story.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Did he read the book?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't know, because he actually she was taken from
me and it was a way of me communicating with
him and I think also healing myself. So that the
elementals there are kind of my take on the archetypes
on like these forces within us.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
But I've I've done gone a bit further and map them.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Onto onto various different brain networks so that they feel
a bit more real to people. So the four elementals
that we can all tap into at any time, and
two of them are more familiar to most people. So
there's the what I call the commander, who's the control function,
the smarty pants, the clever one, the one who got
(15:58):
good grades or can get good grades. There is the
sort of defender, the protector, strong and will fight if needed,
or will run away if that's about a situation. So
those the one that most people rely on. And there's
two others which I think are very important. One is
the creator, the person who can part of you that
(16:22):
can have a new idea, experiment, imagine something and go, hey,
what about this. And then the one that's probably most
overlooked is the connector, the one that relates to people.
Doesn't care about solving the problem, it cares how everyone's
feeling about it. And so all of these four are
very useful in different situations. And one this is just
(16:44):
one of the tools that we teach people is how to.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Befriend the elementals that they're.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Least least familiar with with with using in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Do we have these four elements within us all the time?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Oh? Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I mean I think they actually do map onto these
brain networks. So depending on which part of your nervous
system you're operating from, you'll show up as either creative, connective, protective,
or controlling. And all of them are good, just so
I want everyone to know none of them are bad.
(17:26):
We wouldn't have them, we wouldn't have evolved these incredible
hours if they were bad.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
But we can get a bit wedded to some of them.
That's that's the bit.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And I would guess Nick, some people would use these
elementals naturally without much effort.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think most people favor one as they get older,
you know, maybe because their siblings didn't take up one
of them so they did, or their dad or their mom,
or it's just their talent, you know, Like some people
just love talking to people and being connected and listening
and healing and being a therapist or a social work or.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
You know, a parent or a care and other people really.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Love math and problem solving and organizing what I bathfully
call the greatest spreadsheet ever. You know that sometimes people
love Some people love that. So yes, some of these
things are natural to some. And then the question is
which ones you find difficult and what you're going to
do to develop some muscle in the elementals that aren't
(18:31):
so natural to you?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
What is a person lacking if they don't tap into consciousness.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, I'm going to give you two things and
sometimes I can't even believe how powerful this stuff is.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
So the first one is an endless.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Resource of essentially creativity and hope. So I've been through
some pretty gnarly experiences and the last few years, and
without going inside and tapping into this vastness inside, I
don't think. I don't know how I would have been
able to make it, honestly, because within that, in a vastness,
(19:17):
it's like oceanic there's no limits to what you can
feel inside.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
When you when you, when you learn how.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
To feel fully comes all this creativity and all this
hope and all this and a move towards healing and
moved towards connecting togetherness and being open and something that
I and I and others in my field talk about
called a liveness. You're tapping into the aliveness of you,
(19:43):
that basically the bit of nature that as you be
alive today, that all your ancestors right back to wherever
you are millions of years ago, they all succeeded so
you could be here through this aliveness.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
So that's the first thing that you get access to.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But the second thing is is, I guess let's just
call it something larger than me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And so people will have that be a.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
The one God that you know, their one God or
many gods, or the universe or nature.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
There's a lot of words for what that might be.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
But without that thing bigger than you, it feels to
me like the world is too big for us.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
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