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January 22, 2026 15 mins

George Noory and author Sandra Champlain explore her investigations into the afterlife, reports of visitations by spirits before someone dies, the immense love people feel during near death experiences, and how to overcome grief when a loved one dies.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you on our Paranormal podcast network. One of the great
programs we've had going on there for some time now
with Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain that deals with,
of course, the afterlife, something all of us are going
to have to face at one time. Sandra, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Oh, thanks so much, George.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
What kind of response are you getting to the Shades
of the Afterlife.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Oh, I get so many beautiful emails from people, and
as you know, there's lots and lots of listeners. There's
beautiful reviews that are showing up on the different podcasts,
you know, Spotify and Apple podcasts and things like that.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
It is our biggest fear, I think as.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Human beings is what happens next? The ego we don't
want to die, We don't know what's next. And so
I get to uncover from science and medicine and spirituality,
all these wonderful conversations about what happens next, how we
can work through grief, and how do we have a
powerful life while we're here.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I was on YouTube. A couple of days ago, Sandra
and I popped a clip from Tiny Tim Remember him, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I do tiptoe through the tulips.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That guy in the in the clip was him collapsing
and dying on stage singing that song, and it was
just bizarre. But it struck me really strangely that you know,
the older we get, we're all going to face that
moment of death. In your in your opinion, at the

(01:42):
dying moment, what's it like, Well, for our.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Loved ones, not so pleasant.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
For us, it's like falling asleep, but not just falling asleep,
but opening our eyes and our loved ones that have passed,
even our pets, are there with us.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And there's so much research.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
One of my favorite people is doctor Christopher Kerr, who
wrote the book Death Is But a Dream. He's a hospice, palliotary,
palliative care doctor who studied over sixteen hundred people. And
before we pass those weeks and with some people it's months,
but days, weeks, maybe months before we pass, we start

(02:23):
seeing our loved ones, even in our pets. Like I said,
as clear as if you and I were in the
room together. And it's not based on medications. They're having
real conversations our loved ones. They look young, they look healthy.
Oftentimes people show up that they didn't even know we're dead.
You know, sometimes when they're close to passing, if someone dies,

(02:45):
the last thing they want to do is say, hey,
your brother died something like that. But these people are
seeing verifiable information that they couldn't have known. So it
just shows that nobody goes alone. These loved ones tell us,
get ready, you're going on a trip.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hack your bag.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
And so you hear stories of people passing with smiles
on their faces. And I just interviewed yesterday a critical
care doctor, George, doctor Adam Risavee, who he'll be on
the Shades of the Afterlife in a couple of weeks,
but he has pat had has had about five hundred
people pass in the ICU, and he decided to keep

(03:25):
a journal for each one, just a little reverence for
the person as he knew them. But not only that
is what happened in the room. So besides things like
them opening their eyes and calling out for their deceased
loved ones, there was a terminal lucidity where very often
people can spring back to life even if their brain did,

(03:47):
but not only that, weird things like the lights flickering
on and off or dimming, or that feeling he described
when you're in a crowd of people, you just feel
like it's crowded, he said. He and the other docors
can feel it. The room becomes crowded, so he says,
he just feels like it's the loved ones that are
coming to help the person the cross. So coming from

(04:09):
a physician, I love hearing these stories because it just
lets people know that science is actively involved in the afterlife.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
What is it that got you interested in the afterlife?
Cent What happened?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
It was my fear, George.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
I woke up one day out of the blue, looking
at the stars and night, and like, what happens when
we die? For whatever reason, it came over me as
a fear. I didn't want to die, obviously, but not
knowing what happens next.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It was a.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Fear that gosh, I just couldn't let go of.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
And my mom speculates it's because I volunteered in nursing
homes when I was young, and the nice people would die,
you know, so she thinks maybe that was in my subconscious.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I kind of believe now, Gosh, it's well over twenty
five years later since I started this investigation that if
they say we each have a purpose, you know, if
I didn't go through that fear in the beginning, I
wouldn't be talking to you here today. So maybe it
was something I signed up for. But I had to
put arrest to that fear, George, and so I started

(05:20):
just studying everything I could about the afterlife. And then
at one point I knew so much and I knew
it would help people that are experiencing grief. That I
opened my mouth and I wrote my book We Don't Die.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
As Skeptics, Discovery of Life after Death.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
And here so many years later and two hundred and
seventy four episodes later of Shades of the Afterlife, I'm
here with you today.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
When you put together the program Shades of the Afterlife
and people started getting interested. Were you always spiritual at
that time?

Speaker 4 (05:53):
No, I don't even think I was spiritual at all.
I know that it sounds terrible, but I grew up Catholic.
We had to go to Catholic church, we had to
go to Sunday School, we had to go yet the school,
the church. Everything we had to wear the uniforms. But
being forced into that didn't give me any kind of faith.

(06:14):
So when I started researching the afterlife, it's like, there's
got to be something. There's got to be something more,
and especially with people who have near death experiences, and
there's a correlation between I think all the major world religions,
how the message is love and forgiveness and being kind
and being of service. And research has been shown that

(06:37):
people who have had near death experiences they feel this
incredible light and love and they come back, most of
them giving up whatever religion they believed in and feeling
that the message is being of service, loving.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Forgiving, and being kind.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
It really is as simple as that living life. So
that's my common denominator there.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
That's my New Year's resolution.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Instead of all the other things we make, it's just
looking through the eyes of kindness. So that's become my spirituality.
And every time I look out the window or I
just spoke about the birds, you know, I think it's
all divinely planned. There's so much magic in nature that
it's not just up to chance. So I've am finding
my spirituality day by day.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
But I do believe it's like the chicken in the egg,
because what came first, in your opinion, the after life
or the birth.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
I think the afterlife. It's said, this might sound silly,
but if you waved your hand in front of your
face really really really fast, if we could, it would disappear.
It's just vibrating at a quicker energy, quicker speed. So
many people say that the afterlife or the before life

(07:57):
is the reality, and our life is just like the dream.
You know, We're just here temporarily and then we go home.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
So instead of.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Heaven being past the clouds somewhere, we are actually part
of it right now. And so I think while why
mediums can tap into the presence of our loved ones
is because they're able to slow down their mind enough
and get into the that zone. And I think our
loved ones they're able to lower their vibrations just enough

(08:28):
to connect. But it's a world within a world happening
all right now, and even you and I connecting, which
is miraculous, isn't it. But around us we've got the
wireless internet, we've got radio waves, we've got television waves.
There's all kinds of things, you know, you think about
all the satellites around planet Earth. There can be two

(08:50):
or many more forms of energy existing in the same
place at the exact same time. So this afterlife or
before life for the greater reality, we are part of it.
It's just vibrating so fast that we can't catch it well.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
With Sandra, Samplain will take calls next hour with Sandra's
do we talk about the afterlife? If you've lost somebody
in your family, why don't you share that experience with us.
I was looking at some old photos of somebodies of
mind that are passed on Sandra over the last six
seven years, and it really is kind of sad.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I got to tell you, George, it's heartbreaking. I think
grief is more painful than in getting any physical injury.
You know, when we love someone, we are connected, and
when that bond breaks, like they're no longer on the planet,
we go through a withdrawal. And I hate to compare

(09:45):
it to somebody who is addicted to some kind of
a substance. But when you think of somebody who's addicted,
and you know what withdraw looks.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Like, it's ugly. It's painful. Our brains have to.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Re energize themselves. We lose a a whole bunch of
these neurotransmitters they're called like dopamine and serotonin and things
like that. We lose them, we deplete them when we're grieving,
and so it takes time to build them up. And
that's why it hurts so bad, and that's why we
cry so much. And sometimes our memory is faulty or

(10:19):
we just want to sleep all the time. Grief is painful,
and gosh, I wish so much that there was a
magic wand to just get rid of it. But I
can tell you one thing, George. There are definitely things
we can do to help feel better, you know, but
our body has to reprocess to get to the other
side of it.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
I do everything I can to help people ease the pain.
But knowing that the loved ones are around, still talking
to them, all those kinds of things really do help well.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Santra champlain. As we talk about the afterlife right here
on Coast to Coast or a book is called We
Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life after death. It's
just in credit possibility. Why does the human body die
at a relatively early age, and you know, seventy sixty ninety,
that's early to be. Why can't it go on to

(11:11):
five hundred like the old days.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I don't know, George.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
I think maybe we'll get there with all this technology
and AI and things.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm happy though, that we're living a lot longer than
we did years ago, because it gives us more.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Time to love and to explore and being here on earth.
I think the purpose for our soul really is to
have new experiences, to love, to share, really.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Get our money's worth out of life.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
All those times we push the envelope and we do
something that we were afraid to do, or we do
something new, it's like we're carrying this bag of experiences
and we're just tucking more and more in for our soul.
And someday we'll get home and we'll compare notes and like,
look at all these things I did when I was
on life in life, Look at.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
All these things I did.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
But as human beings, we forget who we really are.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I think we signed out to.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Come here to learn, But we come here, George, and
we forget, and we think life is happening to us
and we're a victim of terrible things. But in reality,
you know what if every opportunity is an opportunity to
learn and to grow and then make a difference for
someone else.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I have a friend who just lost somebody in a
car accident a couple days ago. Sandra and I have
to believe that kind of a death is instant, isn't
it without pain? Or do you feel something for that moment?

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Instant without pain. I have spoken to mediums. I've practiced
mediumship just a little bit in classrooms. Also talk to
trance mediums, physical mediums. The whole world of it, and
those in the afterlife can take our soul if you will,

(12:57):
and bring it to the spirit world before we experienced
that pain. And even when someone's dying of cancer, say,
you know, I witnessed my poor father die a very
very painful death, and I hang on to those words
that his soul left his body before his physical body passed.

(13:17):
But when they come back through a medium, a good
medium with verifiable information, the message is clear, I did
not suffer. I was here and then I was there
and I was greeted by Mom or Dad or.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Spot the dog.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
So they didn't suffer. They don't have any memory of
any pain from this earth. They can just remember, you know,
the facts, but the pain and painful memories do not
carry on.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
They just arrested a low life here in Saint Louis,
who's been robbing cemeteries of the Bronze earns that the
remains of people had been burned and buried in cremated.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
How low can you get?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Well, I like to believe that. I don't want to
call it karma, but it may be.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
But we all have this life review, whether we like
it or not. It's coming for us. There's nobody judging us,
saying you know you're going up, you're going down. But
it's more our soul taking a look at our life,
and we get to experience our actions as they impacted

(14:30):
other people. Some people call it like an omnimax theater
with all these screens playing at the same time, but
it's virtual, and so you feel your actions from the
other person's perspective, so that that grave robber, you know,
is going to feel the pain and the suffering of
all those people and gets to judge for themselves was

(14:52):
that the best use of their life on earth. Now,
the flip side of that is, after we go through
the negative stuff, we get to look at the positive things.
We get to look at all those little actions that
we did that are long forgotten and see the ripple
effect in other people's lives because of those kind things
that we did. So it all goes back to kindness,

(15:15):
George and no grave robbing.

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