February 8, 2026 • 13 mins
Guest host Rich Berra and John Lennon's former girlfriend May Pang discuss living with the complicated Beatle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We were talking about May and I said, and she
was telling us about the song John Lennon wrote for her.
Maybe there's more than one. I don't even know about that,
but I said, well, if you're just an admin, you're
not getting a song written about you. So at some
point the relationship changed, So let's get right into that.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Three years down the line. It was not. It was
not like I was there and all of a sudden
it changed. It was it was three years down the
line because his relationship changed with Yoko, and all of
a sudden, I got thrown into something that I didn't
want and I wasn't looking for it, and at that time,
neither was John.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So it was just kind of an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That that that was a thrown at us and both
of us really were resisting it, and it just kept going,
and you know, Yoko just kept trying to put us
together and we were like, why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't Yoko was trying to put you together. There.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, this is all explained in the in the movie,
so when people see it, it is it is talked
about and that's why I said, when you see the
movie that it's all in there. I do talk about that.
But John did write a song for me. I had
no idea he was going to do that. He called
me in and he said, just sit down here, sit
(01:22):
on the floor, and I sat in front of him,
and he picked up the guitar and he just started
to play this little tune and he got about a
verse down and I was like, I didn't even know
what to say. I was so I was so taken
aback by it. I got too nervous.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So that's why you wish, don't you wish that in
that moment, you could have done something like it's okay,
it's no Norwegian would just to have that moment just
to mess with him.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I've messed with him on other things by saying, who
kept making these mistakes? And he looked at me and
he used to say, why do you always pick out
my mistakes?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No wonder he liked you because he probably had. Was
he surrounded by yes people at that point because the
Beatles had gone and of course what imagine is probably
out so people are still like in this awe of
John Lennon, were you one of the few people that
would call him out.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I would say nothing, but when he would ask me,
I would give him my true opinion on things. And so,
you know, he appreciated that. He was very surprised that
I knew that much about music and my understanding about publishing.
So we used to talk about that all the time.
He you know, we would talk about what's our favorite songs,
(02:40):
and he would just stare at me and he goes,
I can't believe you liked the same songs we had.
We definitely were very compatible when it came to liking
the same songs, Like when we were recording on the
Rock and Roll you know, we love the Rosie and
the original, you know, and a song and Angel Baby,
and he goes, I said, that's one of my favorites.
(03:01):
And he looked at me and he said it's my favorite.
You know, it's one of those moments. And I said, no, no, no,
and he goes, how do you know this song? Because
I'm ten years younger than him. You know, that was
our age difference. And in the end, I said, it's
because I got the music ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
In America, right, Yeah, you know what's interesting, Remember when
I watched that, when I watched that documentary, that Peter
Jackson documentary, you really get the sense of John Lennon
and how much he listened to the radio because a
lot of times he's not playing Beatles songs. He's playing
songs that are on the radio popular right then and there,
(03:40):
and he's like a jukebox. He can play just about everything.
When you when you watch that documentary and you are like,
oh my gosh, that guy is he's transfixed by the radio,
that that means something to him. So I'm wondering as
we talk about that, I feel like I know the
Beatles because of their songs. So let me preface this. Nowadays,
(04:05):
everybody's got an Instagram, they've got a TikTok, and it's
a little it's a little disheartening to me because back
when I listened to music, I grew up, you know,
in the eighties and nineties, and you knew about a
band when they came to town and you saw them
in concert, but really what you knew about them was
the album cover and the music inside. So you think
(04:27):
you know about those bands because of the music that
you hear, and you know absolutely it's not like I'm
watching you know. Uh, you know, John Lennon on his TikTok,
you know, making sweet rolls. It's like those guys do that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You do miss We all do miss anybody who grew
up in you know, back then. We all do miss
the liner notes because John took an interest in making
his album covers so nowadays, even when it got to
c D, I said, how could you read you know
back and you could at least hold it and read it.
(05:04):
It was just different. And oh so let me preface that.
The second song that was very that I have is
number nine Dream, which of course was a hit. And
the reason is a lot of that whispering and singing
background in the chorus, but the whispering of John's name
is actually me doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You're on that track? Yes, Wow, how cool man.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I know you're gonna want someone after hearing this. This
is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean as significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That was Ty's book.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Actually they got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm not surprised. It is a an amazing immunal modulator,
and so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one that size the warner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and yes.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Competent, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com c A R
niv o R Carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, let me ask you this. If you were a
John Lennon fan, as I am, there's a lot of
us are. Do you do you feel like the core
of his personality shows up in the songs?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh of course yes. But here's the funny part. I'm
gonna say. I had I just laughed and chuckled about
you know, John Lennon fan. Yes, but he was not
my He was not my favorite beatle when I was
growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, you seem like a Paul person. Were you a
Paul person? No, you're George. Nope, you are a Ringo?
Absolutely well, he would have loved to have heard that.
I bet didn hear that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
He did.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Here's the problem. Here was the funny part. I was
we were in La. We were I was, I think
I was washing dishes and doing something and and I
hear this voice going, hey, who was your favorite beatle?
And immediately I went Ringo? And I stopped and I went,
oh my god, But I just do I'm saying, I mean,
(08:03):
who would have thought that I'm going to be asked
that question who's your favorite Beatle? By another Beatle. So immediately,
good question, you know. And I turned around and I said,
we are talking about when I was thirteen or fourteen, right,
We're not talking now?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Good answer, right, So I didn't hear from him.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He didn't say anything. And finally I said, we are
talking when I was a kid, right, And he goes yeah,
And I thought, oh god. I said, when you're gonna
ask me that question, that's a loaded question, you know.
And I told him, I said, you know, the first
thing I thought about, of course, was Ringo when I
was thirteen, was my favorite Beatle. So of course that
(08:44):
night we're going to a party and we ran into Ringo.
Didn't think anything of it, of that conversation, but of
course John didn't forget. I turned around and he said
to Ringo, oh, by the way, did you know you
were her favorite? If I wanted to tell you that,
I wanted to just crawl under a rock at that moment.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That was the time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's amazing. When I listened to the Beatles music, I
feel something from John where I feel like he's trying
to discover himself, but he also seems to know a
lot about the universe. He seems both grounded and searching
at the same time. How close am I?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yes, You're very close on that one. He was an
avid reader. He loved to learn about everything and anything
that was happening, you know, was he was just into,
you know, if there was something new around the corner,
you know, if there's a new trend in clothing, he
wanted to know about it. If there was a new religion,
(09:53):
you'll be he liked to hear about it. He used
to have conversations with his personal lawyer, Harold Sider, and
he would say, because he would read the Times every morning,
we read the Times every morning, the paper would come
and he wanted to know what the world situation was.
And he would say to him, you know, do you
think we'll ever have world peace? Do you think can
(10:15):
this ever be settled? And they would have these intense conversations.
He was always curious. He was always interested in what
was going on.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Do you think that fueled the creative energy for music,
that curiosity?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think it was a part of it, absolutely. I
mean it was his own life as well. You know,
you hear about all those when you hear his songs,
you know it's about him. He's soul searching always.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do you feel his presence around you? Sorry, do you
feel his presence around you? Still?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean and it's hard not to
when you know, you turn on a TV. Said, oh,
you turn on a for something. The music wise, nowadays,
you know, you can hear a Beatles music or or
or if somebody I get into a car and they've
got a station on it and it's all it's a
Beatles song.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's him singing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's something too. I know you are you living New
York currently? Right?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Oh? My home? We know?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That was another thing everybody still we moved out to LA.
We never moved to LA. We always lived in New York.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
There's a part of New York that I experienced for
the first time. Actually last year I went went to
visit my daughter's going to school in Manhattan, and we
went through Strawberry Fields, and boy does that feel different
than the rest of Central Park.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Just yeah, because the DA code is there. It's it's
funny when people say they go to Strawberry Fields, and
I think it's beautiful that people go there because that's
he did you know? He did walk there? But for me,
I like to look at the East River now that
you've mentioned York, because John and I where we lived,
(12:03):
we face the East River and our little apartment and
I'm telling you it's little. It's only like eight hundred
and nine hundred square feet. We face our balcony, we
face the East River. So this is where Bowie used
to come make Jagger, Paul McCartney Elton. So to me,
that's really where I felt it. So I'm I'm on
the east side where we would sit and John would
(12:26):
look at the river and see boats go by because
it reminded him of the Mersey m.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Would you say John Lennon was funny, moody, sensitive, intense
or all of those.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Oh, he was all of it. He didn't even know
he was funny at times when he would say things,
you know, it was you know, we would all be
laughing and he'd go, what's funny? We would all say,
you don't find that funny? You know that was him
and he was, But you don't ever want to cross
him if you did something wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast tocoastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We were talking about May and I said, and she
was telling us about the song John Lennon wrote for her.
Maybe there's more than one. I don't even know about that,
but I said, well, if you're just an admin, you're
not getting a song written about you. So at some
point the relationship changed, So let's get right into that.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Three years down the line. It was not. It was
not like I was there and all of a sudden
it changed. It was it was three years down the
line because his relationship changed with Yoko, and all of
a sudden, I got thrown into something that I didn't
want and I wasn't looking for it, and at that time,
neither was John.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
So it was just kind of an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
That that that was a thrown at us and both
of us really were resisting it, and it just kept going,
and you know, Yoko just kept trying to put us
together and we were like, why are you doing this?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't Yoko was trying to put you together. There.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yes, this is all explained in the in the movie,
so when people see it, it is it is talked
about and that's why I said, when you see the
movie that it's all in there. I do talk about that.
But John did write a song for me. I had
no idea he was going to do that. He called
me in and he said, just sit down here, sit
(01:22):
on the floor, and I sat in front of him,
and he picked up the guitar and he just started
to play this little tune and he got about a
verse down and I was like, I didn't even know
what to say. I was so I was so taken
aback by it. I got too nervous.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So that's why you wish, don't you wish that in
that moment, you could have done something like it's okay,
it's no Norwegian would just to have that moment just
to mess with him.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I've messed with him on other things by saying, who
kept making these mistakes? And he looked at me and
he used to say, why do you always pick out
my mistakes?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
No wonder he liked you because he probably had. Was
he surrounded by yes people at that point because the
Beatles had gone and of course what imagine is probably
out so people are still like in this awe of
John Lennon, were you one of the few people that
would call him out.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I would say nothing, but when he would ask me,
I would give him my true opinion on things. And so,
you know, he appreciated that. He was very surprised that
I knew that much about music and my understanding about publishing.
So we used to talk about that all the time.
He you know, we would talk about what's our favorite songs,
(02:40):
and he would just stare at me and he goes,
I can't believe you liked the same songs we had.
We definitely were very compatible when it came to liking
the same songs, Like when we were recording on the
Rock and Roll you know, we love the Rosie and
the original, you know, and a song and Angel Baby,
and he goes, I said, that's one of my favorites.
(03:01):
And he looked at me and he said it's my favorite.
You know, it's one of those moments. And I said, no, no, no,
and he goes, how do you know this song? Because
I'm ten years younger than him. You know, that was
our age difference. And in the end, I said, it's
because I got the music ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
In America, right, Yeah, you know what's interesting, Remember when
I watched that, when I watched that documentary, that Peter
Jackson documentary, you really get the sense of John Lennon
and how much he listened to the radio because a
lot of times he's not playing Beatles songs. He's playing
songs that are on the radio popular right then and there,
(03:40):
and he's like a jukebox. He can play just about everything.
When you when you watch that documentary and you are like,
oh my gosh, that guy is he's transfixed by the radio,
that that means something to him. So I'm wondering as
we talk about that, I feel like I know the
Beatles because of their songs. So let me preface this. Nowadays,
(04:05):
everybody's got an Instagram, they've got a TikTok, and it's
a little it's a little disheartening to me because back
when I listened to music, I grew up, you know,
in the eighties and nineties, and you knew about a
band when they came to town and you saw them
in concert, but really what you knew about them was
the album cover and the music inside. So you think
(04:27):
you know about those bands because of the music that
you hear, and you know absolutely it's not like I'm
watching you know. Uh, you know, John Lennon on his TikTok,
you know, making sweet rolls. It's like those guys do that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You do miss We all do miss anybody who grew
up in you know, back then. We all do miss
the liner notes because John took an interest in making
his album covers so nowadays, even when it got to
c D, I said, how could you read you know
back and you could at least hold it and read it.
(05:04):
It was just different. And oh so let me preface that.
The second song that was very that I have is
number nine Dream, which of course was a hit. And
the reason is a lot of that whispering and singing
background in the chorus, but the whispering of John's name
is actually me doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
You're on that track? Yes, Wow, how cool man.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I know you're gonna want someone after hearing this. This
is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean as significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
That was Ty's book.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Actually they got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm not surprised. It is a an amazing immunal modulator,
and so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red monks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one that size the warner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and yes.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Competent, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com c A R
niv o R Carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, let me ask you this. If you were a
John Lennon fan, as I am, there's a lot of
us are. Do you do you feel like the core
of his personality shows up in the songs?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh of course yes. But here's the funny part. I'm
gonna say. I had I just laughed and chuckled about
you know, John Lennon fan. Yes, but he was not
my He was not my favorite beatle when I was
growing up.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Well, you seem like a Paul person. Were you a
Paul person? No, you're George. Nope, you are a Ringo?
Absolutely well, he would have loved to have heard that.
I bet didn hear that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
He did.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Here's the problem. Here was the funny part. I was
we were in La. We were I was, I think
I was washing dishes and doing something and and I
hear this voice going, hey, who was your favorite beatle?
And immediately I went Ringo? And I stopped and I went,
oh my god, But I just do I'm saying, I mean,
(08:03):
who would have thought that I'm going to be asked
that question who's your favorite Beatle? By another Beatle. So immediately,
good question, you know. And I turned around and I said,
we are talking about when I was thirteen or fourteen, right,
We're not talking now?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Good answer, right, So I didn't hear from him.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
He didn't say anything. And finally I said, we are
talking when I was a kid, right, And he goes yeah,
And I thought, oh god. I said, when you're gonna
ask me that question, that's a loaded question, you know.
And I told him, I said, you know, the first
thing I thought about, of course, was Ringo when I
was thirteen, was my favorite Beatle. So of course that
(08:44):
night we're going to a party and we ran into Ringo.
Didn't think anything of it, of that conversation, but of
course John didn't forget. I turned around and he said
to Ringo, oh, by the way, did you know you
were her favorite? If I wanted to tell you that,
I wanted to just crawl under a rock at that moment.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That was it.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That was the time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's amazing. When I listened to the Beatles music, I
feel something from John where I feel like he's trying
to discover himself, but he also seems to know a
lot about the universe. He seems both grounded and searching
at the same time. How close am I?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yes, You're very close on that one. He was an
avid reader. He loved to learn about everything and anything
that was happening, you know, was he was just into,
you know, if there was something new around the corner,
you know, if there's a new trend in clothing, he
wanted to know about it. If there was a new religion,
(09:53):
you'll be he liked to hear about it. He used
to have conversations with his personal lawyer, Harold Sider, and
he would say, because he would read the Times every morning,
we read the Times every morning, the paper would come
and he wanted to know what the world situation was.
And he would say to him, you know, do you
think we'll ever have world peace? Do you think can
(10:15):
this ever be settled? And they would have these intense conversations.
He was always curious. He was always interested in what
was going on.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Do you think that fueled the creative energy for music,
that curiosity?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think it was a part of it, absolutely. I
mean it was his own life as well. You know,
you hear about all those when you hear his songs,
you know it's about him. He's soul searching always.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do you feel his presence around you? Sorry, do you
feel his presence around you? Still?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean and it's hard not to
when you know, you turn on a TV. Said, oh,
you turn on a for something. The music wise, nowadays,
you know, you can hear a Beatles music or or
or if somebody I get into a car and they've
got a station on it and it's all it's a
Beatles song.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
It's him singing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know, it happens.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's something too. I know you are you living New
York currently? Right?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Oh? My home? We know?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That was another thing everybody still we moved out to LA.
We never moved to LA. We always lived in New York.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
There's a part of New York that I experienced for
the first time. Actually last year I went went to
visit my daughter's going to school in Manhattan, and we
went through Strawberry Fields, and boy does that feel different
than the rest of Central Park.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Just yeah, because the DA code is there. It's it's
funny when people say they go to Strawberry Fields, and
I think it's beautiful that people go there because that's
he did you know? He did walk there? But for me,
I like to look at the East River now that
you've mentioned York, because John and I where we lived,
(12:03):
we face the East River and our little apartment and
I'm telling you it's little. It's only like eight hundred
and nine hundred square feet. We face our balcony, we
face the East River. So this is where Bowie used
to come make Jagger, Paul McCartney Elton. So to me,
that's really where I felt it. So I'm I'm on
the east side where we would sit and John would
(12:26):
look at the river and see boats go by because
it reminded him of the Mersey m.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Would you say John Lennon was funny, moody, sensitive, intense
or all of those.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Oh, he was all of it. He didn't even know
he was funny at times when he would say things,
you know, it was you know, we would all be
laughing and he'd go, what's funny? We would all say,
you don't find that funny? You know that was him
and he was, But you don't ever want to cross
him if you did something wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast tocoastam dot
com for more
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It’s the unlikeliest of criminal partnerships: a devout polygamist from an insular Utah sect joining forces with a shadowy Armenian tycoon from LA. The result - a billion dollar fraud conspiracy. In Kingdom of Fraud, investigative reporter Michele McPhee traces the origins of the extraordinary alliance between Jacob Kingston and Levon Termendzhyan. Together, the two men trigger the largest tax investigation in American history and weave around themselves a web of dirty cops, influential political relationships and transnational money laundering. All this is set against the backdrop of Jacob Kingston’s clan – The Order. A powerful and secretive polygamist organization in Salt Lake City. To whom Jacob is desperate to prove his worth. Kingdom of Fraud is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts. For more from Novel, visit https://novel.audio/. You can listen to new episodes of Kingdom of Fraud completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “iHeart True Crime+, and subscribe today!