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May 1, 2026 15 mins

George Noory and filmmaker Dean Alioto discuss the recent string of unexplained deaths and disappearances of scientists across the United States, if there is a link between their disappearances and UFO research and disclosure, and if law enforcement believes there could be a threat coming from another country.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with
you our special guest, Dean Aliotto with US Award winning
filmmaker and UFO researcher. Dean Aliotto has produced numerous specials
for A and E, Bravo and Discovery, as well as
consultant on our friend James Fox's UFO documentary The Phenomenon.
Dean is the creator of the cult hit alien abduction

(00:26):
movies The McPherson Tape and the upn TV movie Alien
Abduction Incident in Lake County. Dean recently completed in eight
years in the making documentary about alien abductees entitled The
Experiences Full Disclosure, which we'll have its world premiere at
this year's Contact in the Desert about a month. Dean,

(00:47):
welcome back. Have you been.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I've been good, George, just been kind of watching all
the craziness with regards to all this footage coming out
at Its kind of a good time to be in
this field.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
This story that I've been talking about about these eleven
scientists and researchers who have disappeared or died is bizarre
beyond means, how did you get interested in this?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
My friends inside and outside of the UFO field were
calling me about this case because you know, apparently I'm
their hookup for these kind of things. So, because I
love a good mystery, I had to do my own
deep dive and see if I could separate facts from fiction.
But the first thing I had to do was suss
out the origins of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
There are men and women, and they're all scattered all
over the country, aren't they.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's not isolated to one area, though a
lot of them are from California.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
At what time were there these disappearances or deaths beginning?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, the first one goes back just talking about the original. Well,
now it's up to thirteen, but they started anywhere from
twenty twenty four twenty twenty five. It really kind of
kicked in around twenty twenty five. That was that was

(02:15):
kind of the origins of it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
And the FEDS are finally involved in this.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh, who isn't involved in it? Yeah, We've got tons
of agencies that are involved in this. The FBI is
spiritating the investigation, with FBI Director Cash Battel quoting I'm
quoting here. If there's any connection that leads to nefarious
conduct or conspiracy, this FBI will make the appropriate arrests.

(02:42):
But here's a list so far of the other agency
is investigating. You've got the Department of Energy, the Department
of Defense, the National Nuclear Security Administration, and NASA, as
well as the White House with the Press Secretary Caroline Levitt,
who posted on x quote the White House is actively
working with all relevant agencies and the FBI too holistically

(03:05):
review all of the cases together and identify any potential
common allities that may exist. Trump himself. President Trump said
that he had been briefed on the situation, said I
hope it's random, and that some of them were very
important people, and we're going to look into it and
over the next short period and called it pretty serious stuff.

(03:27):
In addition to that, we've got the House Oversight Committee
they announced they will be investigating it, and the Special
Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets Ret. Burlson.
Eric Burlson is also on the case, and the White
House Committee on Homeland Security. And then of course you've

(03:47):
got the local authorities. So we're investigating this because it
would be in their jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Now, you said we're up to thirteen missing or dead people,
we just had eleven. Who were the other two?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
So the other two would be Carl Grillmar He's a
retired astrophysicist at Caltech. He was shot and killed outside
his home in Los Angeles on February sixteenth, twenty twenty six,
by an armed trespasser. Police did not believe that they
knew each other. And then you've got Joshua LeBlanc, NASA

(04:23):
electrical engineer at Marshall Space Flight Center who was working
on nuclear propulsion. He was found dead in July of
twenty twenty five after his tesla crashed and burned in
a rural area near Huntsville, Alabama. And yeah, he was
added to the list by Rep. Burlson himself.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Dean, your instincts have been pretty uncanny over the years.
What's your gut telling you about this case?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Boy, you know, I'm someone who I always make the
joke that I'm not an easy date.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Gos so truth.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
If I'm going to date truth, it's like you got
to take me out wine and dine me. We're going
to go to a few dates and everything. And so
with this it's kind of like, Okay, prove to me
that you're trustworthy and you're worthy of a third date.
And so in investigating this, I found some disturbing things, and.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I know you're gonna want some them after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who's
eight almost nine years old now, was suffering with not
just one or two warts, but I mean as significant
outbreak of warts all over his body, so significant it
impacted his ability to really function.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.
Was TI's book. Actually that got me thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement, it's really going to work.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one the size of the warner. I thought,
no way, that's gonna. Wow, it's just been miraculous to
see them get into a pair of shoes.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yes, how wonderful.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
It's great to see.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I'm so happy and yes, it absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Hi, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2 (06:52):
Of the thirteen who are missing or dead, what's the
ratio of missing versus dead?

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
You have that number?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do so?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
We've got approximately pointing up the exact stats here. Let's see.
Just regarding the missing, we've got five, and then regarding
the deaths, we have one two three, four, five, six, seven,

(07:23):
eight nine ten. That's not correct because I wouldn't add.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Up to uh fifteen right there?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Thirteen yeah, one two three four, and then we've got
five six Yeah, So predominantly the deaths are more the
case in this situation, which is pretty disturbing.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's bizarre. And you know, I've always said that there
are no coincidences. The fact that this is happening to
these people in these related fields, it's very strange. What
is your gut telling you in terms of who might
be assuming somebody is doing something to them, or a
group or a group of people are doing something to them,

(08:07):
because these people are scattered all over the country, men
and women scientists, what do you think? What do you
think it is? Do you think it's just a converted
effort of some government who wants to you know, bite
away at the United States or what?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, we've got the rogue domestic quote unquote deep state
programs that have been rumored for many years and connected
to the Legacy program, you know, tied to UAP research
operating out these agency or this program, this deep state
rogue group, let's say, would be operating outside the normal

(08:45):
oversight structures obviously. And and so that's one private corporate entity.
We've all heard that before, where someone you know figures
out a better you know, mouse trap, and a bigger
company comes along and all of a sudden, this person disappears.
So that's always a possibility. And lastly, you've got combined

(09:10):
foreign corporations operating a hybrid there, if you will, a
foreign state working through private contractors, organized crime or compromising
insiders that would attribute them to something could contribute to
something like this. So it's it's kind of you know

(09:30):
your pick. It all comes down to the motivation of
why would they do this?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Does UFO disclosure have anything to do with this?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't feel it does, because well, there's there's one
person who is kind of added to the list later
who was about to testify, and he he has the
best or the strongest link, if you will, to all
of this, and his name is Matthew James Sullivan. He

(10:03):
was a former US Air Force intelligence officer who had
keen interests in UFOs and had even seen them personally himself.
In fact, Sullivan was set to testify as a federal
UAP whistleblower, but unfortunately committed suicide. He was only thirty
nine years old. His obituary noted he earned a Bronze

(10:26):
Star for valor and Operation Enduring Freedom and held service
several top secret posts with AN agencies, including with the
Air Force Intelligence Agency, the National Air and Space Intelligence
Center and the National Security Agency. So you know that's
that I would call that a yes.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Do you know what his family might have said about him?
Or was he a happy, cheerful guy? Was he depressed?
Do we know anything about him?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, his family is trying to quelch the the rumors
that are out there. Obviously, that's you know, it's a
difficult time. And so because some of these these deaths
are pretty recently, it's it's they don't want to kind

(11:18):
of stoke the fire. However, he did claim to have
insight knowledge of classified UFO programs and was reportedly prepping
to provide testimony to Congress regarding a secret government quote
crash retrieval close quote program, and unnamed sources toward The
New York Post that Sullivan had previously seen UFOs as

(11:40):
I mentioned, the federal government had retrieved and would have
revealed the legacy program at a congressional hearing that was
scheduled for November twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now, these people who have disappeared, have they merely just
like vanished, vanished? I mean where are they?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, you know, we have a lot of people that
go disappearing between five and six hundred thousand a year. Actually,
some of these people, four of them, when they left,
they left their belongings behind, so that sounds like they
thought that they were going to be coming back, right.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
We've got Anthony Chavez. He was a former Los Alamos
National Laboratory employee. He'd been missing since May fourth, twenty
twenty five. Monica Reza, she's the director of materials processing
at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. But she was hiking in
the Los Angeles Angelus National Force in California on June

(12:42):
twenty second, twenty twenty five, when she disappeared. And then
a mere four days later, Melissa Casias went missing. She's
an administrative worker at Los Alamos National Laboratory. By the way,
her mobile phone devices had been whited. However, I did
a deep dive on this and it appears relative as report,

(13:04):
she was experiencing a huge amount of stress related to
financial issues and says she probably decided to run away.
So I mean, all of these have different background. Stephen Garcia.
He was a government contractor at the Kansas City National
Security Campus in New Mexico. He's been missing since August
twenty five, and then Lastly, the big guy, William Neil M. Casland,

(13:30):
the most prominent here, retired Air Force Major general and
former commander of the Air Force Research Laboratory. He's been
missing since February twenty seventh, twenty twenty six, from Albuquerque,
and he pretty much is patient zero. The one that
kicked off this, the online sleuthing that went in viral.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
At what point, Dean, did this become nationally well known?
I've been looking at it for a couple of months now.
I didn't hear much about it before that. At what
point I did? Did it hit?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
If?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm if I go back, and I wish I could
find that first posting. But the most recent article in
Vanity Fair points to random online postings by, as I said,
online sleuths that went viral after McCaslin went missing. The
online theory was then picked up by Daily Mail. From there,

(14:31):
the story was amplified by alternative media like Substacks newsletters
by Jessica Reid Krauss and Joe Rogan, and then promoted
by the recently deceased David Wilcox and former UAP Pentagon
insider at Luise Elizondo. However, there is alternative viewpoints. Because
of this, some observers, like sociologists Robert Bartholomew, described the

(14:54):
theory as a case of social media posting ignited by
a missing sign his conspiracy theory, instead of a substantiated
coordinated attack. But as CNN and others reported, there was
a major shift from online speculation to mainstream awareness after
the details of the story were reported by several outlets,
which led to the story becoming a subject of federal inquiry.

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