April 29, 2026 • 20 mins
George Noory and researcher Andrew Mark Jones discuss his efforts to recover the buried remains of Noah's Ark at Mount Ararat in Turkey, where Noah went with the animals after the worldwide flood, and if finding the Ark will prove that the Bible is true.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Nor with you in our special
guest Andrew Mark Jones with us as we talk about
Noah's Ark. It's an incredible story. Andrew Jones is an
independent biblical researcher software developer who has dedicated more than
twenty years twenty years to the investigation of historical sites
across Turkey and the Middle East, transitioning his technical expertise
(00:28):
from her career in software development to a field of
archaeological research. He specializes in applying advanced geophysical techniques and
technologies to analyze ancient formations. And here he is on
Coast to Coast. Andrew, I'm looking forward to this. You've
made a lot of publicity the last few weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hey, thanks for having me on. Yes, it just blew
up in our face. Kind of started with one interview
and then it went viral.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So is this location that we're going to talk about
the same the one that Ron Wyatt talked about a
long time ago.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, it is, and.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's how I learned about it. As a child. Ron
came to Sacramento where I was living at the time,
and he gave a presentation. I was, uh, his early
teen so I was like seventh or eighth grade. I
remember my father went to the meeting and he came
back and said, well, this guy said he found nose
arc and so I wanted to learn more about it,
(01:26):
and I bought Ron's book and after reading it was
a small little book, and I wanted to have a
lot of questions. I want to learn more. So I
called the operator for one one and they connected me
through to Ron, and that started a phone conversation with
him throughout my high school years, and finally I had
him out to Sacamento with some friends. We invited him
(01:47):
out twice in ninety five and ninety six, and then
nineteen ninety seven I finally went out to the site
as a tourist middle of college. I went out there.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Why is it taking science so long long to try
to investigate this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
There's a number of reasons. One the remoteness, so you
know you're not near something that would you like look
at Troy that's close to Istanbul, for example. These sites
in Israel or the Middle East where you have big
cities around Number Two, you're in an area that's politically sensitive,
(02:23):
and you can even say it's a border area. We're
one mile from the Iranian border, and so getting a
special permission to do any type of workout there takes
a while. Then the number three, which I think is
more important, is that you need to find you this
is Turkey, so you need to find a Turkish archaeologist
and university that would be interested. You can't just do
(02:45):
your own excavation on a site or even you know,
scanning or anything like that. So you have to work
under a professional out here, and that means you need
to find something interested in Noah's Ark. And I was
telling someone yesterday on an interview. I think it was
with c the end. Basically, you know, the archaeologists would
have to put their credentials on the line saying hey,
(03:07):
I'm looking for Noah's Ark, And that's kind of like
saying hey for some people, that's like saying hey, I'm
looking for Santa Claus or you know, the Easter buddy.
So it's tough because a lot of people just aren't
interested in this topic, and so you have to find
the professionals that are. It takes a while.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's a great story in Genesis of course with Noah's Ark,
which we'll get into in a second with you, Andrew.
But to me, what it tells you is, if the
arc is finally discovered, it tells you that the Bible
is accurate, at least in that story, but then probably
it's accurate in most of the other stories within the Bible.
And that makes it one of the greatest stories I've
(03:47):
ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
How about you, Oh, it's amazing, because this would be
one of the most you know, this is one of
the most debated parts of the Bible, the early sections
of Genesis, global flood, the story of Noah's Arc, and
when you think about it, it does. You're talking about
a story that is proving that God's judgments are real,
(04:11):
his salvation is real. You know, he told Noah to
build an arc to save his family. And you know,
for someone to say that a flood covered the whole
world today, they just can't see it. So it's for
most you say, for most scientists, this is all fairy
tale or Bronze Age myth and legend and not facts.
(04:35):
So when I was just talking to an archaeologist about
this and over here in Turkey and so they're willing to.
I don't know if they're just doing it because they
want to, they kind of like curious, see what's in
here because some of the initial things we've done lately
with the soil analysis and the GPR, or if they
(04:57):
really believe the story, it's hard to know. And we're talking.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We're talking about an episode that's all over four thousand
years old too, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, well, and look at what we do when we
talk about historical events that happened a couple hund years ago,
like the American Revolution or something. There are details that
we lose and people debate it right different sides of
the story. And so when you think of something as
the flood, then you're looking at, yes, about four thousand
years ago if you use the Biblical chronology, and the
(05:30):
people will like, well, what's our evidence. We have a
couple of stories and you know it's mentioned throughout the Bible,
But then you have a couple of stories outside of
the Bible by historians or other cultures have the similar myths,
and they're and not similar myths, but their mythology has
the story in it. But for me, I take the
(05:50):
Biblical account as the one that has the best data
and the historical facts, but you can still get information
out of these other stories from you know, Babel Lawn
and other cultures nearby that wrote. But you have this
flood account throughout the world. Actually, people, there are books
out there we can get like that compiles these stories
(06:10):
of the flood where a family or a man, you know,
built a boat. And so how do you account for
that if it's just a fake story from Mesopotamia?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Some people claim and apparently Noah was five hundred years
old when God told him to start building the Ark,
and it took him one hundred years to complete it.
He was six hundred years old when he was done
with it. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, the Bible says I think I think it was
one hundred and twenty years he was preaching, which is
basically the time frame he was building the arc. And
so you look at these long ages, which you know
today's we see people who celebrate through one hundred year
you know, birthday and we're very excited. And then we
have the you know, the oldest person I know what
(07:01):
they have on record for the oldest person that they
can prove, but it's less than two hundred years. So
when you think of someone like Noah and the other Antediluvians,
these people who lived before the flood. They had long lifespan,
so the world was different back then.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Andrew, where was Noah when he started building the arc?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's a good question. Well, from the biblical account, we
just don't know. Now there are those who, because of
the Mesopotamian accounts, they try to say that, Okay, well,
we have these other flood stories from the modern day Iraq,
so then that must be where Noah started to But
from the Bible it doesn't say. And if you believe
it was a global flood, flood that destroyed the whole earth,
(07:46):
you're looking at something that you don't have evidence today
of the pre flood world how it looked. There are
people who and I'm one of these, who believe that
the idea of a one super continent why evolutionists put it,
you know, millions and millions of years ago. Uh there,
you know, I think there's a number of creationists and
(08:07):
people who believe in the flood that will accept a
big continent and then it breaking apart as part of
as part of the flood story, and then even right
after that. So where was the arc in that giant continent.
Was it right in the center and then it broke apart?
Was near the edge and then it broke and then
(08:28):
the flood covered and then it kept on breaking apart.
This super continent, I don't know so to place it
in today's world? Where did the arc started? Maybe we
can determine some of that details if we get down
into the site and can analyze, you know, the things
inside of it, you know, like if there's fossilized wood
or pollen, maybe it'll tell us some of the like
(08:52):
where where it came from, and then we can pinpoint
a location and the the you know, the geological record
for the ancient super coma again speculation right now. But
there are those who try to put it somewhere in Iraq,
but that's stuck from outside the Bible. And I still say,
because the way how destructive the floodwaters were, it's very
(09:14):
tough to do that.
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
We're talking with Andrew Mark Jones about Noah's Ark. And
Lex has posted some of the images that Andrew has
on our Coast to coastam dot com website LinkedIn Mark Andrew, Mark,
just go take a look at those are fascinating. What
is the good account? And Drew tell us the story
of Noah's Ark.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, well, you look at Genesis chapter six, so this
is right after, not right after, about one thousand and
so years after creation and Genesis after six it opens
with that the world was violent and basically sinful of
no one around. I think the Bible puts it like
everyone's heart was continually thinking of evil, and so this
(11:28):
is the constant evilness in the world, violence, and God
is sad. He decides he has to destory the world
and start over. And he finds one man, it says,
who found grace in his eyes, and the name was Noah.
And he tells Noah to build a giant wooden boat,
and he gives them all the instructions, and so for
(11:50):
then the next one hundred and twenty years, Noah is
preaching a message of the coming flood basically and asking
people who want to be saved and join him. Sadly,
and the you know, he's looking the Bivil account only
his family, his immediate family said, you know, I'm sure
he had help. It's a huge wooden vessel. So maybe
(12:10):
those who helped him pass away, you know, before the
flood happened. You know, if you look at the story
of the life of Methuselah, who in the Bible, this
guy's the longest guy who ever lived, and he died
the year of the flood, So he was around when
Noah's preaching righteousness and this message. But then the floodwaters
hit and the whole world destroyed. Nothing survives except what's
(12:35):
in the arc, not counting the sea creatures out there
in the water. But at the end in Genesis chapter eight,
it tells us and this is to me a really
fascinating verse in the Bible because it mentions the location
of Noah's ark. But people usually misread the verse and
it says the arc landed, and I'm paraphrasing here But
(12:56):
in Genesis chapter eight, verse four says, the arc landed
the mountains of air Rat. And you know today if
you look up air Rat, Google images will show you
Mount air Rat. It's a big strado volcano. It's the
tallest mountain Turkey. And this is where most people for
the last hundreds of years was looking for the arc
(13:16):
up there. Now today they branched off into other locations
nearby or another like northern Iran. They can't fight the
arcup on the air Rat and our site's nineteen miles
south on a lower mountain range. But you know the
Bible that's in the basically the story of knowing the
flood is in Genesis chapter eight. And this is where
(13:37):
the ark landed in this mountainous kingdom called air Rat,
which is actually the word, the ancient word is uar To,
which was an Iron Age kingdom. That the capital is
about two hours south of here in Bond, Turkey, and
right beside the big Lake Bond, the largest lake here
in Turkey, and that was the capital of the kingdom
(13:58):
of Uartu. It was called Tush. And when Moses, who
I believe wrote the Book of Genesis, when he said
Noahs ark landed in the mountains of Ur two. This
must have been a smaller kingdom during his time when
he was riding this, but it's spread out so at
his greatest extent, or two included territory up into modern
(14:19):
day Armenia and to northern Iran and the large parts
of eastern Turkey. So even right near the site we're
researching the Noasark site we're at, you find a lot
of or to settlements, a couple castles and so it. Yeah,
so that's the story of knowing the flood this is
it ends with him and the Arc landing here in
(14:42):
these mountains and eastern Turkey.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
How high up would they be?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, the current location where the boat shape is at
is six five hundred feet about fifteen hundred feet off
the valley floor. So we're like where I'm at in
the city, it's about thirty minutes from the ARC site.
It's about a mile high. And now the mountain range itself,
it goes up to about eight thousand or so feet above,
(15:09):
so it slid down the mountain fifteen hundred feet or
more from the Iranian border. That's the top of the ridge.
So that's you know, it's a smaller mountain range. It's
so you know, you can't think of the global flood
covering like Mount Everest. You know, obviously these higher mountains
were pushed up after the flood or during the flood
(15:30):
when they had different seismic and continental activity, and so,
but we're currently at six five hundred feet, so it
does get snow. They had they had a late snowstorm
this year. I think last week. It was very cold.
We were just there yesterday and there's a little snow
above us near the Iranian border.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So when the waters were seated Andrew the Arc apparently
stayed on the mountain side. As the waters came down,
it stayed there. It got stuck there. Then how did
Noah get out of there with all these animals? Where'd
they go?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, well, you know, God shut the door, and I
believe the only way to get it open was for
God to open it. And he knew with his right timing,
when everything would be dried, the land and the people
can walk out there, and when I'm sinking to the
mud or drown in the water. So you know, in
the current site where it's at too, we really do
(16:29):
believe the arc landed further up near the summit of
this low mountain range. And then later because you look
at the satellite images of this area, it's a massive
earth flow and the mountain side has collapsed due to
seismic activity and being unstable. And so in the middle
of this earth flow slash mud flow is the boat formation.
(16:51):
Now where did they go from there? Well, according to
the Bible, that God told them to multiply and spread out,
you know, and reinhabit the earth. And that's exactly what
we find today people around the world, animals everywhere. You know,
it says in the Genesis of the ten or eleven,
(17:12):
I don't even have the Bible in front of me,
I can grab it. But basically, from there they went
to the land of Shinar, and that's where we have
the story. Then the next big story is the tire Babel.
And so it seems like there are people who didn't
believe in God's promises because he promised that the waters
would never flood the earth again. And then those who
(17:32):
did not believe that they decided to build a tower.
And so you have this event of people going down
together who didn't believe God to this area in Mesopotamia
to build a tower to survive the next flood, and
God had to destroy the tower to make them spread
out around the world to disperse them. But yeah, everything.
In fact, I was here when a Turkish military general
(17:55):
came by a random visit. I was at the business
center and he looked at me and he spoke English
and he said, well, we're brothers. He said, Look, this
area here is where civilization restarted, and we all came
from this point. So if you look at Turkey in general,
there's a lot of evidence right after the flood, people
and languages spread out, and you have evidence for the
(18:18):
first domestication of crops and things like that. So definitely
Eastern Anatolia, the general area of Turkey, this is where
everything restarted.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Do you think Noah and the family lived on the
arc during some period of time after it stayed on
the mountain side, or did they build a house right away? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know, if you were on a boat, shut in
with a bunch of animals for over a year and
then the massive door opens up, I don't know if
they would maybe they would store some stuff inside. I
don't know that first night they'd gone back, But it's
a good question. I don't see them wanting to be there.
I don't. Noah was righteous and faithful to God, and
God told him to start a new life and move on.
(19:06):
You know, if you look at the story where he
gets drunk. We don't know how many years afterwards, but
there's a story in the Bible where he builds a vineyard,
so he's doing agriculture work, and it says he gets
drunk off the grapes and then he's in his tent.
So he's obviously not living in the arc anymore, but
he's living in a tent, so it's difficult to know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Some people have questioned whether even the arc would be
around today, like remains of it or anything. Can they
think Noah would have built a whole bunch of houses
with it, or people living nearby would have destroyed it.
But it looks like people have moved on, like they dispersed,
because if you look at the historical record about Noah's Ark,
you have historians, ancient historians writing about it, you know,
(19:48):
a couple hundred years before Christ, all the way through
the time of Christ, and they talk about pilgrims coming
to see the arc. They said even to that day,
they say that you could see the remains. How much
of the remains are left is just the hall half
the boat? You know, we don't know, but definitely was
not all destroyed or just assembled by Noah. So if
(20:08):
you look at the homes in this area today, the
Kurdish homes, the traditional homes are mainly made of a
stone or now cement block. But the traditional ones they
have stone walls. They use a couple beams for the
roofing and then they cover it with a different material
to make it waterproof, the flat roof, and they're not
like American homes. It's made of all this wood. And
(20:30):
so I really think that Noah. If I was Noah,
I would want to get away and out of the
ark and enjoy the fresh air and you know, beyond land.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Nor with you in our special
guest Andrew Mark Jones with us as we talk about
Noah's Ark. It's an incredible story. Andrew Jones is an
independent biblical researcher software developer who has dedicated more than
twenty years twenty years to the investigation of historical sites
across Turkey and the Middle East, transitioning his technical expertise
(00:28):
from her career in software development to a field of
archaeological research. He specializes in applying advanced geophysical techniques and
technologies to analyze ancient formations. And here he is on
Coast to Coast. Andrew, I'm looking forward to this. You've
made a lot of publicity the last few weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hey, thanks for having me on. Yes, it just blew
up in our face. Kind of started with one interview
and then it went viral.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So is this location that we're going to talk about
the same the one that Ron Wyatt talked about a
long time ago.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, it is, and.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's how I learned about it. As a child. Ron
came to Sacramento where I was living at the time,
and he gave a presentation. I was, uh, his early
teen so I was like seventh or eighth grade. I
remember my father went to the meeting and he came
back and said, well, this guy said he found nose
arc and so I wanted to learn more about it,
(01:26):
and I bought Ron's book and after reading it was
a small little book, and I wanted to have a
lot of questions. I want to learn more. So I
called the operator for one one and they connected me
through to Ron, and that started a phone conversation with
him throughout my high school years, and finally I had
him out to Sacamento with some friends. We invited him
(01:47):
out twice in ninety five and ninety six, and then
nineteen ninety seven I finally went out to the site
as a tourist middle of college. I went out there.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Why is it taking science so long long to try
to investigate this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
There's a number of reasons. One the remoteness, so you
know you're not near something that would you like look
at Troy that's close to Istanbul, for example. These sites
in Israel or the Middle East where you have big
cities around Number Two, you're in an area that's politically sensitive,
(02:23):
and you can even say it's a border area. We're
one mile from the Iranian border, and so getting a
special permission to do any type of workout there takes
a while. Then the number three, which I think is
more important, is that you need to find you this
is Turkey, so you need to find a Turkish archaeologist
and university that would be interested. You can't just do
(02:45):
your own excavation on a site or even you know,
scanning or anything like that. So you have to work
under a professional out here, and that means you need
to find something interested in Noah's Ark. And I was
telling someone yesterday on an interview. I think it was
with c the end. Basically, you know, the archaeologists would
have to put their credentials on the line saying hey,
(03:07):
I'm looking for Noah's Ark, And that's kind of like
saying hey for some people, that's like saying hey, I'm
looking for Santa Claus or you know, the Easter buddy.
So it's tough because a lot of people just aren't
interested in this topic, and so you have to find
the professionals that are. It takes a while.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's a great story in Genesis of course with Noah's Ark,
which we'll get into in a second with you, Andrew.
But to me, what it tells you is, if the
arc is finally discovered, it tells you that the Bible
is accurate, at least in that story, but then probably
it's accurate in most of the other stories within the Bible.
And that makes it one of the greatest stories I've
(03:47):
ever heard in my life.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
How about you, Oh, it's amazing, because this would be
one of the most you know, this is one of
the most debated parts of the Bible, the early sections
of Genesis, global flood, the story of Noah's Arc, and
when you think about it, it does. You're talking about
a story that is proving that God's judgments are real,
(04:11):
his salvation is real. You know, he told Noah to
build an arc to save his family. And you know,
for someone to say that a flood covered the whole
world today, they just can't see it. So it's for
most you say, for most scientists, this is all fairy
tale or Bronze Age myth and legend and not facts.
(04:35):
So when I was just talking to an archaeologist about
this and over here in Turkey and so they're willing to.
I don't know if they're just doing it because they
want to, they kind of like curious, see what's in
here because some of the initial things we've done lately
with the soil analysis and the GPR, or if they
(04:57):
really believe the story, it's hard to know. And we're talking.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
We're talking about an episode that's all over four thousand
years old too, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, well, and look at what we do when we
talk about historical events that happened a couple hund years ago,
like the American Revolution or something. There are details that
we lose and people debate it right different sides of
the story. And so when you think of something as
the flood, then you're looking at, yes, about four thousand
years ago if you use the Biblical chronology, and the
(05:30):
people will like, well, what's our evidence. We have a
couple of stories and you know it's mentioned throughout the Bible,
But then you have a couple of stories outside of
the Bible by historians or other cultures have the similar myths,
and they're and not similar myths, but their mythology has
the story in it. But for me, I take the
(05:50):
Biblical account as the one that has the best data
and the historical facts, but you can still get information
out of these other stories from you know, Babel Lawn
and other cultures nearby that wrote. But you have this
flood account throughout the world. Actually, people, there are books
out there we can get like that compiles these stories
(06:10):
of the flood where a family or a man, you know,
built a boat. And so how do you account for
that if it's just a fake story from Mesopotamia?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Some people claim and apparently Noah was five hundred years
old when God told him to start building the Ark,
and it took him one hundred years to complete it.
He was six hundred years old when he was done
with it. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, the Bible says I think I think it was
one hundred and twenty years he was preaching, which is
basically the time frame he was building the arc. And
so you look at these long ages, which you know
today's we see people who celebrate through one hundred year
you know, birthday and we're very excited. And then we
have the you know, the oldest person I know what
(07:01):
they have on record for the oldest person that they
can prove, but it's less than two hundred years. So
when you think of someone like Noah and the other Antediluvians,
these people who lived before the flood. They had long lifespan,
so the world was different back then.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Andrew, where was Noah when he started building the arc?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's a good question. Well, from the biblical account, we
just don't know. Now there are those who, because of
the Mesopotamian accounts, they try to say that, Okay, well,
we have these other flood stories from the modern day Iraq,
so then that must be where Noah started to But
from the Bible it doesn't say. And if you believe
it was a global flood, flood that destroyed the whole earth,
(07:46):
you're looking at something that you don't have evidence today
of the pre flood world how it looked. There are
people who and I'm one of these, who believe that
the idea of a one super continent why evolutionists put it,
you know, millions and millions of years ago. Uh there,
you know, I think there's a number of creationists and
(08:07):
people who believe in the flood that will accept a
big continent and then it breaking apart as part of
as part of the flood story, and then even right
after that. So where was the arc in that giant continent.
Was it right in the center and then it broke apart?
Was near the edge and then it broke and then
(08:28):
the flood covered and then it kept on breaking apart.
This super continent, I don't know so to place it
in today's world? Where did the arc started? Maybe we
can determine some of that details if we get down
into the site and can analyze, you know, the things
inside of it, you know, like if there's fossilized wood
or pollen, maybe it'll tell us some of the like
(08:52):
where where it came from, and then we can pinpoint
a location and the the you know, the geological record
for the ancient super coma again speculation right now. But
there are those who try to put it somewhere in Iraq,
but that's stuck from outside the Bible. And I still say,
because the way how destructive the floodwaters were, it's very
(09:14):
tough to do that.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
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We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Now I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years
old now, was suffering with not just one or two warts,
but I mean as significant outbreak of warts all over
his body, so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
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Speaker 1 (09:42):
I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and
so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and and
then going down to the with just a little red marks.
The whole things are gone. And we're talking about what's
you know one that size for Warner, I thought, no way.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's gonna Wow.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
That's just been miraculous to see him get into a
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Speaker 4 (10:13):
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Speaker 5 (10:15):
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Speaker 4 (10:17):
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
We're talking with Andrew Mark Jones about Noah's Ark. And
Lex has posted some of the images that Andrew has
on our Coast to coastam dot com website LinkedIn Mark Andrew, Mark,
just go take a look at those are fascinating. What
is the good account? And Drew tell us the story
of Noah's Ark.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, well, you look at Genesis chapter six, so this
is right after, not right after, about one thousand and
so years after creation and Genesis after six it opens
with that the world was violent and basically sinful of
no one around. I think the Bible puts it like
everyone's heart was continually thinking of evil, and so this
(11:28):
is the constant evilness in the world, violence, and God
is sad. He decides he has to destory the world
and start over. And he finds one man, it says,
who found grace in his eyes, and the name was Noah.
And he tells Noah to build a giant wooden boat,
and he gives them all the instructions, and so for
(11:50):
then the next one hundred and twenty years, Noah is
preaching a message of the coming flood basically and asking
people who want to be saved and join him. Sadly,
and the you know, he's looking the Bivil account only
his family, his immediate family said, you know, I'm sure
he had help. It's a huge wooden vessel. So maybe
(12:10):
those who helped him pass away, you know, before the
flood happened. You know, if you look at the story
of the life of Methuselah, who in the Bible, this
guy's the longest guy who ever lived, and he died
the year of the flood, So he was around when
Noah's preaching righteousness and this message. But then the floodwaters
hit and the whole world destroyed. Nothing survives except what's
(12:35):
in the arc, not counting the sea creatures out there
in the water. But at the end in Genesis chapter eight,
it tells us and this is to me a really
fascinating verse in the Bible because it mentions the location
of Noah's ark. But people usually misread the verse and
it says the arc landed, and I'm paraphrasing here But
(12:56):
in Genesis chapter eight, verse four says, the arc landed
the mountains of air Rat. And you know today if
you look up air Rat, Google images will show you
Mount air Rat. It's a big strado volcano. It's the
tallest mountain Turkey. And this is where most people for
the last hundreds of years was looking for the arc
(13:16):
up there. Now today they branched off into other locations
nearby or another like northern Iran. They can't fight the
arcup on the air Rat and our site's nineteen miles
south on a lower mountain range. But you know the
Bible that's in the basically the story of knowing the
flood is in Genesis chapter eight. And this is where
(13:37):
the ark landed in this mountainous kingdom called air Rat,
which is actually the word, the ancient word is uar To,
which was an Iron Age kingdom. That the capital is
about two hours south of here in Bond, Turkey, and
right beside the big Lake Bond, the largest lake here
in Turkey, and that was the capital of the kingdom
(13:58):
of Uartu. It was called Tush. And when Moses, who
I believe wrote the Book of Genesis, when he said
Noahs ark landed in the mountains of Ur two. This
must have been a smaller kingdom during his time when
he was riding this, but it's spread out so at
his greatest extent, or two included territory up into modern
(14:19):
day Armenia and to northern Iran and the large parts
of eastern Turkey. So even right near the site we're
researching the Noasark site we're at, you find a lot
of or to settlements, a couple castles and so it. Yeah,
so that's the story of knowing the flood this is
it ends with him and the Arc landing here in
(14:42):
these mountains and eastern Turkey.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
How high up would they be?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, the current location where the boat shape is at
is six five hundred feet about fifteen hundred feet off
the valley floor. So we're like where I'm at in
the city, it's about thirty minutes from the ARC site.
It's about a mile high. And now the mountain range itself,
it goes up to about eight thousand or so feet above,
(15:09):
so it slid down the mountain fifteen hundred feet or
more from the Iranian border. That's the top of the ridge.
So that's you know, it's a smaller mountain range. It's
so you know, you can't think of the global flood
covering like Mount Everest. You know, obviously these higher mountains
were pushed up after the flood or during the flood
(15:30):
when they had different seismic and continental activity, and so,
but we're currently at six five hundred feet, so it
does get snow. They had they had a late snowstorm
this year. I think last week. It was very cold.
We were just there yesterday and there's a little snow
above us near the Iranian border.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So when the waters were seated Andrew the Arc apparently
stayed on the mountain side. As the waters came down,
it stayed there. It got stuck there. Then how did
Noah get out of there with all these animals? Where'd
they go?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, well, you know, God shut the door, and I
believe the only way to get it open was for
God to open it. And he knew with his right timing,
when everything would be dried, the land and the people
can walk out there, and when I'm sinking to the
mud or drown in the water. So you know, in
the current site where it's at too, we really do
(16:29):
believe the arc landed further up near the summit of
this low mountain range. And then later because you look
at the satellite images of this area, it's a massive
earth flow and the mountain side has collapsed due to
seismic activity and being unstable. And so in the middle
of this earth flow slash mud flow is the boat formation.
(16:51):
Now where did they go from there? Well, according to
the Bible, that God told them to multiply and spread out,
you know, and reinhabit the earth. And that's exactly what
we find today people around the world, animals everywhere. You know,
it says in the Genesis of the ten or eleven,
(17:12):
I don't even have the Bible in front of me,
I can grab it. But basically, from there they went
to the land of Shinar, and that's where we have
the story. Then the next big story is the tire Babel.
And so it seems like there are people who didn't
believe in God's promises because he promised that the waters
would never flood the earth again. And then those who
(17:32):
did not believe that they decided to build a tower.
And so you have this event of people going down
together who didn't believe God to this area in Mesopotamia
to build a tower to survive the next flood, and
God had to destroy the tower to make them spread
out around the world to disperse them. But yeah, everything.
In fact, I was here when a Turkish military general
(17:55):
came by a random visit. I was at the business
center and he looked at me and he spoke English
and he said, well, we're brothers. He said, Look, this
area here is where civilization restarted, and we all came
from this point. So if you look at Turkey in general,
there's a lot of evidence right after the flood, people
and languages spread out, and you have evidence for the
(18:18):
first domestication of crops and things like that. So definitely
Eastern Anatolia, the general area of Turkey, this is where
everything restarted.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Do you think Noah and the family lived on the
arc during some period of time after it stayed on
the mountain side, or did they build a house right away? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know, if you were on a boat, shut in
with a bunch of animals for over a year and
then the massive door opens up, I don't know if
they would maybe they would store some stuff inside. I
don't know that first night they'd gone back, But it's
a good question. I don't see them wanting to be there.
I don't. Noah was righteous and faithful to God, and
God told him to start a new life and move on.
(19:06):
You know, if you look at the story where he
gets drunk. We don't know how many years afterwards, but
there's a story in the Bible where he builds a vineyard,
so he's doing agriculture work, and it says he gets
drunk off the grapes and then he's in his tent.
So he's obviously not living in the arc anymore, but
he's living in a tent, so it's difficult to know.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Some people have questioned whether even the arc would be
around today, like remains of it or anything. Can they
think Noah would have built a whole bunch of houses
with it, or people living nearby would have destroyed it.
But it looks like people have moved on, like they dispersed,
because if you look at the historical record about Noah's Ark,
you have historians, ancient historians writing about it, you know,
(19:48):
a couple hundred years before Christ, all the way through
the time of Christ, and they talk about pilgrims coming
to see the arc. They said even to that day,
they say that you could see the remains. How much
of the remains are left is just the hall half
the boat? You know, we don't know, but definitely was
not all destroyed or just assembled by Noah. So if
(20:08):
you look at the homes in this area today, the
Kurdish homes, the traditional homes are mainly made of a
stone or now cement block. But the traditional ones they
have stone walls. They use a couple beams for the
roofing and then they cover it with a different material
to make it waterproof, the flat roof, and they're not
like American homes. It's made of all this wood. And
(20:30):
so I really think that Noah. If I was Noah,
I would want to get away and out of the
ark and enjoy the fresh air and you know, beyond land.
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