May 2, 2026 • 18 mins
George Noory and Dr. Jim Segala explore his research into the Skinwalker Ranch and Blind Frog Ranch in Utah, what could be attracting supernatural energy to the area that lead some people to have very positive or negative experiences, and if there are similar places around the world that also report strange phenomena.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Nori along with doctor Jim Schigolo. Jim,
when you are at these locations, either blind Frog Branch
or Skinwalker Ranch, can you feel some kind of energy
out there?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, you certainly can. There's no doubt about it. When
I've been on both places and other places you know
throughout the United States. You walk in, like for instance,
on with Skinwalker Ranch, you walk in and it just
feels very sinister. It's like somebody's watching you. You're you know,
(00:38):
always turning around looking for things. You're looking up at
the mesa thinking that something's out there. So you can
definitely feel something and you can feel that that negative
energy that's all around that place. But you know, the
opposite is, you know, the blunt Frog Ranch area, even
there's there's Thunderstruck Ranches which is right next to that.
(00:59):
I mean, those places just feel good. I mean you
go there and you feel good. In fact, the people
that are the Skinwalker Rant people what they're you know,
even the animals tend to be very strange. They have
a lot of cattle there sometimes and the cattle seems
to to basically just you know, add very strange and
(01:21):
they're always like you know, on edge. You can tell
that they're you know, they're always running around together and
they're doing things that's not normal. You know, they're not
you know, they they tend not to eat very much,
and so they usually have to ship them back out again.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Do you know if Bob Bigelow was happy when he
finally sold Skinwalker?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So I think Bob Bigelow, from what I understand and
what I heard from how is that Bob Bigelow decided
to sell it because he felt that he was being
tricked by this phenomenon continuously. So he would set up
these very you know, elaborate experiments, have very good scientists
there that are actually monitoring and making sure everything goes right,
(02:02):
and he would you know, be sure that he would
be able to catch some phenomena in fact, and and
it would turn out that the phenomena wouldn't appear that day,
or it wouldn't appear what he wanted to do, but
he would apear someplace else on the property. So he
would be over here looking at you know, trying to
get something to happen that he can make a positive
data point with and then something on the other side
(02:24):
of the property would go. So he was just getting
so frustrated with this thing, and it was just just
for years he would spend all this money, he would
really not get any data because the data actually ended
up being someplace else. So it's it's it was very
frustrating for him, and I think at that time he
just decided that, you know, he would basically you know,
(02:44):
put his thoughts and put his efforts someplace else.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Can you tell us what a modular unidentified phenomenon alert
system is?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, So back in the day when I first started
working on Skinwalk Oriente and you went the base and
it was clear that there was some phenomenon that was
going on. Either it was a craft, some UFO, or
you know, something was in the environment that was causing
people to have these experiences. They were seeing things and
they were seeing the orbs. But also with the big
(03:14):
thing that I was putting putting responsibility for is understanding
why these people were having physical effects to their body.
They were having like lesions, they were having auditory problems,
they were walking away and you know, coming up with
all sorts of physical problems. Tonight, it's disassociation symptoms, uh A,
(03:37):
phaseia or all sorts of symptoms that they were they
were experiencing while they were having these experiences. So I
was put out there with some other with the medical
doctors to try to understand what was going on in
the area and why why these people were getting hurt
and categorize that. So we did find out that there
was actually something going on in the environment external to
(04:00):
these people that were causing these things to happen. You know,
something was in the area. So we said, well, if
there's something in the area causing injuries to people or
physical effects, can we possibly measure it? And that's how
it stole. The whole thing started. It basically says, let's
put some equipment around people that we can actually see
some anomalous signals in some environmental signals like the microwave
(04:24):
signal or the gamma rays or maybe the magnetic vector
or something like that. So we designed this equipment, you know,
back in twenty fifteen, basically, and it evolves from that
to something that right now that we've got these devices
that we've actually started manufacturing and sending out all over
the world, we have over three hundred people out there,
(04:45):
you know, all over the world that are monitoring continuously
their surroundings with this equipment.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was going to say, are there places like blind
Frog or skin Walker around the planet.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So we have Rushington Forest, we have several devices there
in Rushington Force that we get some really crazy readings.
From Pesselton Bappole area, which is in Norway, they've had
stuff since nineteen forties. They've had some very strange phenomeno
since the you know, nineteen forties. We have like I
think four or five devices there that we monitor constantly
(05:22):
and they get some really crazy things. But now it's
just very strange. Australia is becoming big on the horizon
and there's a lot of very interesting things going on there.
So there's we have many devices there, you know. Of
the three hundred and plus devices we have, i'd say
like two or three percent or maybe up to five
percent are in Australia and it's very very strange things. So,
(05:45):
you know, it's kind of ironic that, you know, people
that you went to Basis say all the cool stuff
happens here, but in fact it's all over the world,
and it's in fact it's even more rich when you
you know, go into areas like you know, into England
in We've got stuff in you know, all over the world.
So it's just amazing how big the science lab is
(06:06):
that we can play in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Jim, would you say that the blind Frog and Skinwalker
are more negative than positive?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I would say that that, Well, it actually turns out
that blind Frog is very positive. But people actually pay
to go on there to basically come out and feel amazing.
So there's people that go there and just way through
the ponds in the various places there and they actually
feel they come out better. But on the skin Walker,
(06:37):
unfortunately for them, people go there and they're just petrified.
They just they say I'm not going to go there,
and they basically avoid it, you know. They they key
very remote, they don't they don't want to, they don't
want to actually step on the property because of fear
of something happening. But blin Frog is completely opposite. So
it almost appears that within that region, if you actually
(06:58):
look at it from a scientific point in, it appears
that there's some type of a variation in the energy
field that actually starts way up into the canyon, drops
down and actually changes from a positive to a negative
as it crosses that north the south border, and it's
almost like there's like these lay lines, if you want
(07:20):
to use that term, where they actually turn from a
positive to a negative during that transition.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two warts, but I mean
as significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so
significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to
right Epicodi's book.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Actually, they got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It is an amazing immuno modulator and so I can
see that it would work. And so at what point
did you see that there was actually improvement really going
to work.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know, one that size the warner I thought, no way.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
That's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
For instead have seen it. That is blown away. TI,
this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
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to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
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thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com c A r
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Speaker 2 (08:55):
Do they have any healing modalities out there?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Sure? Yeah, in the in the Blond Frog area, people
actually go there and walk away and they'll have like
the rheumatoidous would go away, or they would have autoimmune
disease that would just miraculously stop. So it's a lot
of things like that that happen in that area where
people just start feeling good. And you know, the Native
Americans know this because they they actually have these rituals
(09:20):
that would be healing rituals that they go through that
actually make things happen. So they're you know, they're they're curing.
They have their own little there. There there ways of
going through a moment where they can heal themselves. So
there's a lot of healing powers.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's like Lords of France without the water.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, it's and so it makes you wonder why these people,
the Aztecs have gone there. I mean, people go to
places and settle in places where things they feel good,
and they they they're happy about it and things actually
are very good. So they bury a lot of stuff.
And that's why the people that own Blonde Frog bought
the property because there's a lot of stuff buried there.
(10:02):
Down in the lower Canyon area where like Skinwalker Ranches
and there's other ranches down there, there's not so much
stuff buried. It's more like worshiping and things like that
where they know it's it's it's negative energy place and
they want to they want to actually worship what's there
and try to, you know, be one with it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What do your colleagues say about your work out there?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Well, so actually it's it's taken very well. So I'm
in a group of a lot of people that are
scientists that are, you know, more citizen type scientists now,
not government related, just all basically people like myself trying
to understand this from a personal point of view. And
they're very very supportive. I mean, there's no question about
it that they know this thing is happening. They know
(10:51):
that people having these experiences that you know, they cannot explain.
I think there's a there's I was talking to a
a couple of scientists and they they went through a calculation.
They determined that over half of the population of the
world has at one point had some type of experience
that was just not explainable through normal rational means. So
(11:13):
there's a lot of people out there having these very
strange experiences. So you get a lot of this community
type of thing where people just are ready to accept this.
And now with social media that are basically supportive of this.
You know, there's always naysayers and there's always people on
the other side that are very supportive of it. You know,
they're basically saying, you know it's here, we know it's here.
(11:35):
So now things now are very accepted and you don't
have to feel so so secretive when you're when you're
doing these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is it safe to say, Jim that these places changed
your life.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think it's important that people have to realize that
as you start understanding more about what this is, it
really change is the way you think about what is
possible in the universe. If you say, well, you know,
people are actually communicating or having these experiences with this
entity and say, well, what other things did we missed
(12:13):
that we didn't really understand that that has been around.
I mean, if you think about it, we're we might
be communicating our our subconscious brain might be communicating with
something that's millions of light years away. We just have
no idea that it's happening. So at this point, I'm
saying to myself, you know, we're you know, we're saying
this very strange phenomenon that we never thought was here.
(12:35):
Now all of a sudden, what else is there that
we missed? So it's it opens up this like amazing
floodgate of possibilities. So yeah, it changes my way, completely
changing my way of thinking.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Would you ever live on these ranches?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I did? I did when we were filming. I was
actually on a show Skinwalker Ranch lived in that area,
so I would you know, I for two months or
three months while they were filming, so it was right
there in that area and you know, basically there every day.
So uh, you know, it didn't seem to bother me
(13:12):
or have any repercussions or anything like that. But I
would be, uh, you know, very willing to go there
and investigate overnight and things like that, so there was
never an issue.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Have these places changed you at all? Jim?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, Yeah, Like I said, it's it's really made me
rethink the way that I approach stuff. When you're you know,
when you're an engineer and everything is pragmatic, You're you're
always like everything's a nut in a bolt and everything
is at an equation. But when you start looking for
things from a physics point of view, you have to
always step back and say, what's the possibilities? And when
(13:47):
I when you work for people like hal Putov, who's
you know, one of those premier scientists that have a
really good scientific method that he follows, you always have
to you look at things very very objectively and never
really read too much in so you know, it really
does change the way you look at things, and you
(14:07):
have to accept a lot of things that you just
can't identify and you have to throw a lot of
faith into it. You have to. If you observe something
you can't explain, you can't just discount it and say, well,
that's just not possible. So I'm not going to worry
about that. You have to really accept it to say, Okay,
it's something's going on here. I don't know what it is,
(14:28):
but I'm going to let it in and kind of
investigate it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Why would these places be so mystical. What is your conclusion?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, you know's a lot of people have theory thought
big ol'head of theory that you know, there's a big
craft that's very deep, deep underneath the earth. But it's
interesting that a lot of places that are like this
throughout the world have some type of anomaly, like there's
always they're bumped up, bumped up against some kind of
big canyon that they have to like this dish sape area,
(15:00):
or they had this big aquifer. I know, there's a
few ranches out west that are in the United States
that are just basically on top of a big aquifer.
So you might say, well, maybe these these if we've
been visited, you know, maybe these crafts are attracted to
places that have this and then just them being in
the area create this negative and positive type of energy
(15:24):
field that we've just been We've just been interacting with it.
We just have no idea where it is, you know how,
what's the source of it. So it's very possible that
there's some changes have been made to that area that
make it a hotspot for things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Were these changes done by extraterrestrials? By God? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, it could be something we don't know. You know,
as a scientist, you don't you don't jump to those
kind of conclusions, but you know, every once in a
while you have to step back and say, you know,
what could it possibly be? But you know, can nature
and nature basically do something like this make something like
this happen? We don't know. I really the answer is
(16:10):
not there yet. Would it be some higher technology? Very
very possible. You know, is nature capable of making this?
It doesn't seem that they have that nature has that ability.
So if you were actually going to nail me down
and say, you know, is this something that we could
do or is this something that a higher intelligence would do?
I would say a much higher intelligence.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What keeps you so profound about these places.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Jim, just a big question. The question marks, Like I said,
day to day, you say, oh my god, I can't
believe this is happening. We you know, one of the
things that we do is we collect data from all
over the world. You know, we have we have participants,
all over three hundred participants that have you know, these
devices and they actually provide narratives on a day to
(16:58):
day basis. And as you look at these narratives that
people supply to us, you know, we have lent out
over forty thousand different narratives like I've seen something, I
felt something, and you know, there was all these these
very intense type of reports that people provide and every
you know, you look at those and you do analysis
(17:19):
of that data and you say, wow, this is just
amazing all of the different types of things and it's
and you you know, now with the AI tools out
there that are just absolutely incredible, you can take what
people are saying, run it through a simple program, and
it will give you what their sentiment is. You can
tell the Okay, these people were actually scared when they
(17:39):
when they had this experience, or they were actually anxious,
or the euphoric or something like that. So you start
seeing this data compiling and you start seeing all the
similarities between these, like you know, forty thousand plus narratives,
and you say, wow, this is this is stuff that
is actually happening. This is not something people are making
up in their heads. This is actually happening. They're saying crafts,
(18:01):
they're actually you know, photographing, and we have equipment that
are actually logging these anomalous spikes. So you know, this
is very surprising for me, you know, at this point
of my career.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Nori along with doctor Jim Schigolo. Jim,
when you are at these locations, either blind Frog Branch
or Skinwalker Ranch, can you feel some kind of energy
out there?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, you certainly can. There's no doubt about it. When
I've been on both places and other places you know
throughout the United States. You walk in, like for instance,
on with Skinwalker Ranch, you walk in and it just
feels very sinister. It's like somebody's watching you. You're you know,
(00:38):
always turning around looking for things. You're looking up at
the mesa thinking that something's out there. So you can
definitely feel something and you can feel that that negative
energy that's all around that place. But you know, the
opposite is, you know, the blunt Frog Ranch area, even
there's there's Thunderstruck Ranches which is right next to that.
(00:59):
I mean, those places just feel good. I mean you
go there and you feel good. In fact, the people
that are the Skinwalker Rant people what they're you know,
even the animals tend to be very strange. They have
a lot of cattle there sometimes and the cattle seems
to to basically just you know, add very strange and
(01:21):
they're always like you know, on edge. You can tell
that they're you know, they're always running around together and
they're doing things that's not normal. You know, they're not
you know, they they tend not to eat very much,
and so they usually have to ship them back out again.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Do you know if Bob Bigelow was happy when he
finally sold Skinwalker?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
So I think Bob Bigelow, from what I understand and
what I heard from how is that Bob Bigelow decided
to sell it because he felt that he was being
tricked by this phenomenon continuously. So he would set up
these very you know, elaborate experiments, have very good scientists
there that are actually monitoring and making sure everything goes right,
(02:02):
and he would you know, be sure that he would
be able to catch some phenomena in fact, and and
it would turn out that the phenomena wouldn't appear that day,
or it wouldn't appear what he wanted to do, but
he would apear someplace else on the property. So he
would be over here looking at you know, trying to
get something to happen that he can make a positive
data point with and then something on the other side
(02:24):
of the property would go. So he was just getting
so frustrated with this thing, and it was just just
for years he would spend all this money, he would
really not get any data because the data actually ended
up being someplace else. So it's it's it was very
frustrating for him, and I think at that time he
just decided that, you know, he would basically you know,
(02:44):
put his thoughts and put his efforts someplace else.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Can you tell us what a modular unidentified phenomenon alert
system is?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, So back in the day when I first started
working on Skinwalk Oriente and you went the base and
it was clear that there was some phenomenon that was
going on. Either it was a craft, some UFO, or
you know, something was in the environment that was causing
people to have these experiences. They were seeing things and
they were seeing the orbs. But also with the big
(03:14):
thing that I was putting putting responsibility for is understanding
why these people were having physical effects to their body.
They were having like lesions, they were having auditory problems,
they were walking away and you know, coming up with
all sorts of physical problems. Tonight, it's disassociation symptoms, uh A,
(03:37):
phaseia or all sorts of symptoms that they were they
were experiencing while they were having these experiences. So I
was put out there with some other with the medical
doctors to try to understand what was going on in
the area and why why these people were getting hurt
and categorize that. So we did find out that there
was actually something going on in the environment external to
(04:00):
these people that were causing these things to happen. You know,
something was in the area. So we said, well, if
there's something in the area causing injuries to people or
physical effects, can we possibly measure it? And that's how
it stole. The whole thing started. It basically says, let's
put some equipment around people that we can actually see
some anomalous signals in some environmental signals like the microwave
(04:24):
signal or the gamma rays or maybe the magnetic vector
or something like that. So we designed this equipment, you know,
back in twenty fifteen, basically, and it evolves from that
to something that right now that we've got these devices
that we've actually started manufacturing and sending out all over
the world, we have over three hundred people out there,
(04:45):
you know, all over the world that are monitoring continuously
their surroundings with this equipment.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was going to say, are there places like blind
Frog or skin Walker around the planet.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So we have Rushington Forest, we have several devices there
in Rushington Force that we get some really crazy readings.
From Pesselton Bappole area, which is in Norway, they've had
stuff since nineteen forties. They've had some very strange phenomeno
since the you know, nineteen forties. We have like I
think four or five devices there that we monitor constantly
(05:22):
and they get some really crazy things. But now it's
just very strange. Australia is becoming big on the horizon
and there's a lot of very interesting things going on there.
So there's we have many devices there, you know. Of
the three hundred and plus devices we have, i'd say
like two or three percent or maybe up to five
percent are in Australia and it's very very strange things. So,
(05:45):
you know, it's kind of ironic that, you know, people
that you went to Basis say all the cool stuff
happens here, but in fact it's all over the world,
and it's in fact it's even more rich when you
you know, go into areas like you know, into England
in We've got stuff in you know, all over the world.
So it's just amazing how big the science lab is
(06:06):
that we can play in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Jim, would you say that the blind Frog and Skinwalker
are more negative than positive?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I would say that that, Well, it actually turns out
that blind Frog is very positive. But people actually pay
to go on there to basically come out and feel amazing.
So there's people that go there and just way through
the ponds in the various places there and they actually
feel they come out better. But on the skin Walker,
(06:37):
unfortunately for them, people go there and they're just petrified.
They just they say I'm not going to go there,
and they basically avoid it, you know. They they key
very remote, they don't they don't want to, they don't
want to actually step on the property because of fear
of something happening. But blin Frog is completely opposite. So
it almost appears that within that region, if you actually
(06:58):
look at it from a scientific point in, it appears
that there's some type of a variation in the energy
field that actually starts way up into the canyon, drops
down and actually changes from a positive to a negative
as it crosses that north the south border, and it's
almost like there's like these lay lines, if you want
(07:20):
to use that term, where they actually turn from a
positive to a negative during that transition.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.
This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi,
who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering
with not just one or two warts, but I mean
as significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so
significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to
right Epicodi's book.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Actually, they got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
It is an amazing immuno modulator and so I can
see that it would work. And so at what point
did you see that there was actually improvement really going
to work.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know, one that size the warner I thought, no way.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
That's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
It's great to see. I'm so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
For instead have seen it. That is blown away. TI,
this is awesome. Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight six six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five, or visit carnivora dot com c A r
niv O r A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Do they have any healing modalities out there?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Sure? Yeah, in the in the Blond Frog area, people
actually go there and walk away and they'll have like
the rheumatoidous would go away, or they would have autoimmune
disease that would just miraculously stop. So it's a lot
of things like that that happen in that area where
people just start feeling good. And you know, the Native
Americans know this because they they actually have these rituals
(09:20):
that would be healing rituals that they go through that
actually make things happen. So they're you know, they're they're curing.
They have their own little there. There there ways of
going through a moment where they can heal themselves. So
there's a lot of healing powers.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
It's like Lords of France without the water.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, it's and so it makes you wonder why these people,
the Aztecs have gone there. I mean, people go to
places and settle in places where things they feel good,
and they they they're happy about it and things actually
are very good. So they bury a lot of stuff.
And that's why the people that own Blonde Frog bought
the property because there's a lot of stuff buried there.
(10:02):
Down in the lower Canyon area where like Skinwalker Ranches
and there's other ranches down there, there's not so much
stuff buried. It's more like worshiping and things like that
where they know it's it's it's negative energy place and
they want to they want to actually worship what's there
and try to, you know, be one with it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What do your colleagues say about your work out there?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Well, so actually it's it's taken very well. So I'm
in a group of a lot of people that are
scientists that are, you know, more citizen type scientists now,
not government related, just all basically people like myself trying
to understand this from a personal point of view. And
they're very very supportive. I mean, there's no question about
it that they know this thing is happening. They know
(10:51):
that people having these experiences that you know, they cannot explain.
I think there's a there's I was talking to a
a couple of scientists and they they went through a calculation.
They determined that over half of the population of the
world has at one point had some type of experience
that was just not explainable through normal rational means. So
(11:13):
there's a lot of people out there having these very
strange experiences. So you get a lot of this community
type of thing where people just are ready to accept this.
And now with social media that are basically supportive of this.
You know, there's always naysayers and there's always people on
the other side that are very supportive of it. You know,
they're basically saying, you know it's here, we know it's here.
(11:35):
So now things now are very accepted and you don't
have to feel so so secretive when you're when you're
doing these kind of things.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is it safe to say, Jim that these places changed
your life.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think it's important that people have to realize that
as you start understanding more about what this is, it
really change is the way you think about what is
possible in the universe. If you say, well, you know,
people are actually communicating or having these experiences with this
entity and say, well, what other things did we missed
(12:13):
that we didn't really understand that that has been around.
I mean, if you think about it, we're we might
be communicating our our subconscious brain might be communicating with
something that's millions of light years away. We just have
no idea that it's happening. So at this point, I'm
saying to myself, you know, we're you know, we're saying
this very strange phenomenon that we never thought was here.
(12:35):
Now all of a sudden, what else is there that
we missed? So it's it opens up this like amazing
floodgate of possibilities. So yeah, it changes my way, completely
changing my way of thinking.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Would you ever live on these ranches?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I did? I did when we were filming. I was
actually on a show Skinwalker Ranch lived in that area,
so I would you know, I for two months or
three months while they were filming, so it was right
there in that area and you know, basically there every day.
So uh, you know, it didn't seem to bother me
(13:12):
or have any repercussions or anything like that. But I
would be, uh, you know, very willing to go there
and investigate overnight and things like that, so there was
never an issue.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Have these places changed you at all? Jim?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, Yeah, Like I said, it's it's really made me
rethink the way that I approach stuff. When you're you know,
when you're an engineer and everything is pragmatic, You're you're
always like everything's a nut in a bolt and everything
is at an equation. But when you start looking for
things from a physics point of view, you have to
always step back and say, what's the possibilities? And when
(13:47):
I when you work for people like hal Putov, who's
you know, one of those premier scientists that have a
really good scientific method that he follows, you always have
to you look at things very very objectively and never
really read too much in so you know, it really
does change the way you look at things, and you
(14:07):
have to accept a lot of things that you just
can't identify and you have to throw a lot of
faith into it. You have to. If you observe something
you can't explain, you can't just discount it and say, well,
that's just not possible. So I'm not going to worry
about that. You have to really accept it to say, Okay,
it's something's going on here. I don't know what it is,
(14:28):
but I'm going to let it in and kind of
investigate it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Why would these places be so mystical. What is your conclusion?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, you know's a lot of people have theory thought
big ol'head of theory that you know, there's a big
craft that's very deep, deep underneath the earth. But it's
interesting that a lot of places that are like this
throughout the world have some type of anomaly, like there's
always they're bumped up, bumped up against some kind of
big canyon that they have to like this dish sape area,
(15:00):
or they had this big aquifer. I know, there's a
few ranches out west that are in the United States
that are just basically on top of a big aquifer.
So you might say, well, maybe these these if we've
been visited, you know, maybe these crafts are attracted to
places that have this and then just them being in
the area create this negative and positive type of energy
(15:24):
field that we've just been We've just been interacting with it.
We just have no idea where it is, you know how,
what's the source of it. So it's very possible that
there's some changes have been made to that area that
make it a hotspot for things that have happened.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Were these changes done by extraterrestrials? By God? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Well, it could be something we don't know. You know,
as a scientist, you don't you don't jump to those
kind of conclusions, but you know, every once in a
while you have to step back and say, you know,
what could it possibly be? But you know, can nature
and nature basically do something like this make something like
this happen? We don't know. I really the answer is
(16:10):
not there yet. Would it be some higher technology? Very
very possible. You know, is nature capable of making this?
It doesn't seem that they have that nature has that ability.
So if you were actually going to nail me down
and say, you know, is this something that we could
do or is this something that a higher intelligence would do?
I would say a much higher intelligence.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What keeps you so profound about these places.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Jim, just a big question. The question marks, Like I said,
day to day, you say, oh my god, I can't
believe this is happening. We you know, one of the
things that we do is we collect data from all
over the world. You know, we have we have participants,
all over three hundred participants that have you know, these
devices and they actually provide narratives on a day to
(16:58):
day basis. And as you look at these narratives that
people supply to us, you know, we have lent out
over forty thousand different narratives like I've seen something, I
felt something, and you know, there was all these these
very intense type of reports that people provide and every
you know, you look at those and you do analysis
(17:19):
of that data and you say, wow, this is just
amazing all of the different types of things and it's
and you you know, now with the AI tools out
there that are just absolutely incredible, you can take what
people are saying, run it through a simple program, and
it will give you what their sentiment is. You can
tell the Okay, these people were actually scared when they
(17:39):
when they had this experience, or they were actually anxious,
or the euphoric or something like that. So you start
seeing this data compiling and you start seeing all the
similarities between these, like you know, forty thousand plus narratives,
and you say, wow, this is this is stuff that
is actually happening. This is not something people are making
up in their heads. This is actually happening. They're saying crafts,
(18:01):
they're actually you know, photographing, and we have equipment that
are actually logging these anomalous spikes. So you know, this
is very surprising for me, you know, at this point
of my career.
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