November 2, 2024 • 14 mins
George Noory and psychic medium Mark Anthony discuss communicating with spirits as proof of the afterlife, his story of watching a witch doctor cleanse a woman possessed by a demon, and the curse on the tomb of a pharaoh where a mummy seemingly came back to life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you along with Mark Anthony.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Our psychic lawyer, Mark. Is there a divide between our
world and the other side?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
There is in a lot of people, George, they say
that this time of the year the veil is closer,
and that would assume that not just the universe, but
the multiverses and the various dimensions within each universe are
somehow dependent on a Northern European agricultural festival from the
(00:38):
Dark Ages. I think it's just because when people are
more aware or they're looking for something, they're going to
be more likely to see it. The truth is, George,
there is always connection between our world and the other side.
And as I explained in my books, particularly the afterlife
frequency that think of our world as AM radio and
(01:01):
the other side the afterlife is FM radio. So you
have two energetic systems, you know, involving not only energy
but frequency, and there are times when the vibrational frequency
between these two different dimensions will overlap. And that's what
spirit communication is. I mean, that's a very simplistic way
(01:23):
of describing spirit communication. But in my work, and we've
discussed this number of times on coast to coast, you
and I have, and on beyond. Belief is that all
of this is based on quantum physics. And obviously people
centuries ago didn't understand. They didn't have quantum physics, they
didn't have an understanding of frequency and radio waves and
(01:48):
the different forms of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. But
they did understand when they were making contact with spirits
from you know, of their loved ones and of the
sea these people. So yes, there is a divide, But
the thing is it's here all the time, and we're
all capable of communicating or sensing the presence of spirits,
(02:11):
just you know, to varying degrees.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Is it easy or difficult for you to contact the
other side.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's been part of my DNA, if you will. I mean,
from pretty much from from the time I can remember,
I've sensed the presence of spirits. I don't look at
it as negative or evil. I approach it as a
sacrament and with reverence. I always pray before spirit communication sessions.
I asked God to send forth spirits for the highest
of purposes, to bring messages of love, healing, and resolution
(02:42):
for the recipients. So for me, it's it's just part
of who I am.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I had a guest on last night. I talked about
demons and I wanted to ask you, have you ever
witnessed an exorcism?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I have. I was in the Amazon on I was
part of a photographic expedition and we're in the Urubamba River,
which is a tributary of the Amazon in the Peruvian
part of the Amazon. And there was about maybe thirteen
passengers and about a dozen crew on this clinkity old
(03:17):
It was kind of like it was kind of like
a big version of the African Queen. It was this
clankity old research vessel and we're in the middle of
literally nowhere. No all the villages that we visited, there
was no electricity, no running water. It was as you know,
there were thatched, you know, thatch roof huts, and all
of a sudden, all these canoes came up to the
boat and they were speaking Amara, which is the language
(03:43):
of the people in that part of Peru. And our
interpreter said that the brew Ho which is the witch doctor,
was in this village just just up the river, and
that he the brew Hoo wanted to invite us because
he heard that Talks with Ghosts was on the boat.
And everyone starts looking at me, and apparently George gossip
(04:06):
in the Amazon spreads like it does everywhere else because
a few villages before that, the locals there heard through
our interpreter that I was a medium. So when we
got to the village and the sun was starting to set,
there was about one hundred villagers there, and we walked
up to the hut. And I'm expecting a guy like
(04:27):
with chicken bones and his nose and feathers.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And bones in his hands.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Instead is the guy wearing a T shirt and in
shorts and he was wearing a baseball cap, which I was,
you know, it was cool, but he was he was
the brujo, the witch doctor, the shaman, and and he
was treated with great respect. And he brought us into
this hut and there was a woman laying on the
floor looked like her husband next to her her mother.
And there was about five or six of us because
(04:55):
some of the other folks on the boat they didn't
want to go ashore because you know, they heard about
an exorcism and the woman was supposedly possessed by demons.
And one of the people with me, he was an
orthopedic surgeon and he was with his wife, and the
person next to me was a botanist. And the orthopedic
(05:19):
surgeon was looking at the woman. He goes, she's not
possessed by devils. She has a herniated disc and what
it is. The people there, they didn't understand. She looked normal,
but there was this horrible pain in her back, and
because they couldn't explain it, they believed they were demons.
So the brujo's going through this ritual and he's pouring
(05:39):
all these liquids. He had all these little bottles with
these strange liquids and he was pouring them on her back,
and then he was slurping them off with his mouth.
He was like doing this whole slurping thing, and then
he spits this glob into his hand, explaining to us
through our interpreter. And it was interesting because he was
it was like, you know, if we were at Harvard
(06:01):
Medical School watching a doctor with a teaching class. He
was explaining step by step what he was doing. He
was so proud that, you know, these these foreigners these
gringos were here to it to watch. And when he
spit his glob out, and I'll never forget the orthopedic surgeons. Why,
she goes, she was like totly grass, you know, it's
kind of gross. But he was saying that these were
(06:23):
the demons. And then he threw the glob into this
fire and started chanting, and he was saying that he
was casting them into the fire to send them back
to the darkness. And then all of a sudden he
said something to me, and the interpreter translated it, and
and he said, are the demons gone? And everyone's looking
(06:45):
at me, you know, and and you know, this hut's
around abile by at least one hundred villagers, and they're
all straining to listen. I'll never forget the bottles. She's smiling,
and she said under her teeth, and I'll keep it
g rated. She goes, Mark, don't screw this up. Screw
is not the word that she is, because this was
about as delicate a situation as it could be. And
what I said was, there are no demons here. Then
(07:10):
he takes out from this bag that he was carrying,
this bundle of looks like a weed and then the
botanist goes, oh, no, he's not. It was the Amazonian
version of poison ivy, and he starts whipping this woman's
back and the welts are actually forming, and he's explaining
(07:30):
that this will keep the demons from going away and
then she'll feel better in a week, and the surgeon's going,
my god, yes she'll feel better in a week, because
you couldn't possibly feel worse than she does now. Yeah, yeah,
so so. But as far as they were concerned, he
was exercising demons from her. And it's easy for us
(07:51):
to walk into a situation with our you know, quote
unquote modern medical and scientific understanding and past judgment. But
in their world, demons are very real things. They are
something you don't understand it. They exist because people are afraid,
and I think a lot of people that are constantly,
(08:13):
you know, trying to see and locate demons. We have
to realize that when dealing with spirits, there are a
lot of non human spiritual intelligence. I refer to a
lot of them as elementals. I'm going to be in
an upcoming episode of a new series on Discovery Channel,
Destinations of the Dann with Zach Beggins, and in the
(08:35):
episode that I'm in, it takes place in Indiana, and
I won't you know, I won't give a spoiler alert,
but I believe that elementals, non human spiritual intelligence were
very present in that location. And the thing is, George,
it's very easy when encountering a spiritual entity that is
not human or was not human, to immediately assume that
(08:57):
it's negative, and through that fear, the way we fear
the unknown, we interpret it as being somehow demonic or evil.
And that's why in the approach that I take to
paranormal investigations and supernatural phenomenon is that we have to
apply the scientific method of objective observation and avoid jumping
(09:23):
to conclusions, collect the data, analyze it, observe it, and
then in the aftermath of the investigation, then we can
start to hypothesize and come up with theories as opposed to, oh,
i'm feeling a spirit I don't understand it, it must
be a demon. So that I think is where a
lot of my colleagues, and most the colleagues that I
(09:47):
work with, don't do things like that, but I think
the less experienced ones tend to want to demonize everything
if you will.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Sometimes as ago when you were on the program Mark,
we talked about curses of King UT's tomb.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Anything new there.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, yes, Perhaps the greatest pharaoh, or at least he
thought so, of all time was Ramses the Second And
anyone that seen the movie The Ten Commandments, No, Yule
Brenner was born to play the role of Ramses, and
Ramsey's the Great ruled for roughly seventy years. He ruled
(10:24):
about on twelve fifty BC. Well, long story short, He
and other kings in the eighteenth and nineteenth dynasty, like
King Tut, were buried in the Valley of the Kings,
But those ancient tombs were plundered by grave robbers back
in those days. So like, within about two hundred years
(10:47):
of Ramses being buried, his tomb and several others were plundered,
and the ancient Egyptian priests found the desecrated tombs and
the desecrated mummies, and they rewrapped them and they hid
them in a cave in a location near Dir l Bahrai.
And in eighteen seventy this cave was discovered and within
(11:11):
it were over fifty mummies, including some of Egypt's most
powerful pharaohs, Yeah, including Ramseys the second and what it was.
They were placed in wooden coffins, and you know, very
ornate and certainly not like the golden coffin of King
tud because all those had been you know, ransacked and
destroyed and melted down centuries before. Well, the mummies were
(11:36):
loaded on ships and brought up the Nile River north
to Cairo. Thousands of people George lined the banks of
the Nile River to pay homage to Egypt's greatest kings.
I mean that must have just been a site to behold. Well.
About thirty years later, in nineteen oh two, a group
of Egyptologists were examining the mummy of Ramsey's the Great.
(11:59):
I mean we're talking Ramsy's the Great. I mean, he
built temples everywhere, ruled for seventy years. He was in
his nineties when he died, you know, and he was
thought of as God and a God incarnate on earth.
And so he was placed in this glass case and suddenly,
in front of dozens of people, the mummy raised one
(12:22):
of its hands and it slapped the glass cover of
the case. Everybody was horrified. Some of the people ran
for the doors, thinking we've evoked a curse.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, as it turned out, the Pharaoh's mummy was not
in a controlled environment, and the sudden change in temperature
caused the tendons of the arm to contract spontaneously, so
his arm lurched. And and can you imagine, though, You're
(12:56):
sitting there looking at this, and you know there's there's
circulating rumors that there's a curse, and all of a sudden,
the mummy moves its arm and slaps the case. And
to this day, the hand that raised has not contracted fully.
It's still raises, you know, still just a little bit
above above his body. So if but the thing is,
(13:19):
Ramses was considered the living incarnation of a god, and
if any mummy could come back to life, I'm pretty
sure it would have been Ramsey's.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The second what does that tell you about the other side? Mark?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It tells us that we the Egyptians focused on preservation
of the body. And you know, because I've always wondered,
you know, they wrap up these bodies, they put them
in these coffins, not just one, but three, then in
a sarcophagus and buried them underground. Did they expect these
bodies to resurrect, and actually what they expected was a
(13:56):
spiritual resurrection. And the Egyptian believe that the preservation of
the body had a direct relationship to the preservation of
the soul. Now that was their belief, and other religions
believe that. But whereas like the Romans, and to an extent,
the Greeks, used to burn the bodies of their heroes,
(14:17):
which the Egyptians were mortified by. But the truth is
that our soul is not created by the brain or
by the body. It pre exists. The body comes into
the body, moves on after the body dies, and so
we have all these different rituals to honor that, and
(14:39):
I think that's really a good thing. George.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
you along with Mark Anthony.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Our psychic lawyer, Mark. Is there a divide between our
world and the other side?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
There is in a lot of people, George, they say
that this time of the year the veil is closer,
and that would assume that not just the universe, but
the multiverses and the various dimensions within each universe are
somehow dependent on a Northern European agricultural festival from the
(00:38):
Dark Ages. I think it's just because when people are
more aware or they're looking for something, they're going to
be more likely to see it. The truth is, George,
there is always connection between our world and the other side.
And as I explained in my books, particularly the afterlife
frequency that think of our world as AM radio and
(01:01):
the other side the afterlife is FM radio. So you
have two energetic systems, you know, involving not only energy
but frequency, and there are times when the vibrational frequency
between these two different dimensions will overlap. And that's what
spirit communication is. I mean, that's a very simplistic way
(01:23):
of describing spirit communication. But in my work, and we've
discussed this number of times on coast to coast, you
and I have, and on beyond. Belief is that all
of this is based on quantum physics. And obviously people
centuries ago didn't understand. They didn't have quantum physics, they
didn't have an understanding of frequency and radio waves and
(01:48):
the different forms of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. But
they did understand when they were making contact with spirits
from you know, of their loved ones and of the
sea these people. So yes, there is a divide, But
the thing is it's here all the time, and we're
all capable of communicating or sensing the presence of spirits,
(02:11):
just you know, to varying degrees.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Is it easy or difficult for you to contact the
other side.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's been part of my DNA, if you will. I mean,
from pretty much from from the time I can remember,
I've sensed the presence of spirits. I don't look at
it as negative or evil. I approach it as a
sacrament and with reverence. I always pray before spirit communication sessions.
I asked God to send forth spirits for the highest
of purposes, to bring messages of love, healing, and resolution
(02:42):
for the recipients. So for me, it's it's just part
of who I am.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I had a guest on last night. I talked about
demons and I wanted to ask you, have you ever
witnessed an exorcism?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I have. I was in the Amazon on I was
part of a photographic expedition and we're in the Urubamba River,
which is a tributary of the Amazon in the Peruvian
part of the Amazon. And there was about maybe thirteen
passengers and about a dozen crew on this clinkity old
(03:17):
It was kind of like it was kind of like
a big version of the African Queen. It was this
clankity old research vessel and we're in the middle of
literally nowhere. No all the villages that we visited, there
was no electricity, no running water. It was as you know,
there were thatched, you know, thatch roof huts, and all
of a sudden, all these canoes came up to the
boat and they were speaking Amara, which is the language
(03:43):
of the people in that part of Peru. And our
interpreter said that the brew Ho which is the witch doctor,
was in this village just just up the river, and
that he the brew Hoo wanted to invite us because
he heard that Talks with Ghosts was on the boat.
And everyone starts looking at me, and apparently George gossip
(04:06):
in the Amazon spreads like it does everywhere else because
a few villages before that, the locals there heard through
our interpreter that I was a medium. So when we
got to the village and the sun was starting to set,
there was about one hundred villagers there, and we walked
up to the hut. And I'm expecting a guy like
(04:27):
with chicken bones and his nose and feathers.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And bones in his hands.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Instead is the guy wearing a T shirt and in
shorts and he was wearing a baseball cap, which I was,
you know, it was cool, but he was he was
the brujo, the witch doctor, the shaman, and and he
was treated with great respect. And he brought us into
this hut and there was a woman laying on the
floor looked like her husband next to her her mother.
And there was about five or six of us because
(04:55):
some of the other folks on the boat they didn't
want to go ashore because you know, they heard about
an exorcism and the woman was supposedly possessed by demons.
And one of the people with me, he was an
orthopedic surgeon and he was with his wife, and the
person next to me was a botanist. And the orthopedic
(05:19):
surgeon was looking at the woman. He goes, she's not
possessed by devils. She has a herniated disc and what
it is. The people there, they didn't understand. She looked normal,
but there was this horrible pain in her back, and
because they couldn't explain it, they believed they were demons.
So the brujo's going through this ritual and he's pouring
(05:39):
all these liquids. He had all these little bottles with
these strange liquids and he was pouring them on her back,
and then he was slurping them off with his mouth.
He was like doing this whole slurping thing, and then
he spits this glob into his hand, explaining to us
through our interpreter. And it was interesting because he was
it was like, you know, if we were at Harvard
(06:01):
Medical School watching a doctor with a teaching class. He
was explaining step by step what he was doing. He
was so proud that, you know, these these foreigners these
gringos were here to it to watch. And when he
spit his glob out, and I'll never forget the orthopedic surgeons. Why,
she goes, she was like totly grass, you know, it's
kind of gross. But he was saying that these were
(06:23):
the demons. And then he threw the glob into this
fire and started chanting, and he was saying that he
was casting them into the fire to send them back
to the darkness. And then all of a sudden he
said something to me, and the interpreter translated it, and
and he said, are the demons gone? And everyone's looking
(06:45):
at me, you know, and and you know, this hut's
around abile by at least one hundred villagers, and they're
all straining to listen. I'll never forget the bottles. She's smiling,
and she said under her teeth, and I'll keep it
g rated. She goes, Mark, don't screw this up. Screw
is not the word that she is, because this was
about as delicate a situation as it could be. And
what I said was, there are no demons here. Then
(07:10):
he takes out from this bag that he was carrying,
this bundle of looks like a weed and then the
botanist goes, oh, no, he's not. It was the Amazonian
version of poison ivy, and he starts whipping this woman's
back and the welts are actually forming, and he's explaining
(07:30):
that this will keep the demons from going away and
then she'll feel better in a week, and the surgeon's going,
my god, yes she'll feel better in a week, because
you couldn't possibly feel worse than she does now. Yeah, yeah,
so so. But as far as they were concerned, he
was exercising demons from her. And it's easy for us
(07:51):
to walk into a situation with our you know, quote
unquote modern medical and scientific understanding and past judgment. But
in their world, demons are very real things. They are
something you don't understand it. They exist because people are afraid,
and I think a lot of people that are constantly,
(08:13):
you know, trying to see and locate demons. We have
to realize that when dealing with spirits, there are a
lot of non human spiritual intelligence. I refer to a
lot of them as elementals. I'm going to be in
an upcoming episode of a new series on Discovery Channel,
Destinations of the Dann with Zach Beggins, and in the
(08:35):
episode that I'm in, it takes place in Indiana, and
I won't you know, I won't give a spoiler alert,
but I believe that elementals, non human spiritual intelligence were
very present in that location. And the thing is, George,
it's very easy when encountering a spiritual entity that is
not human or was not human, to immediately assume that
(08:57):
it's negative, and through that fear, the way we fear
the unknown, we interpret it as being somehow demonic or evil.
And that's why in the approach that I take to
paranormal investigations and supernatural phenomenon is that we have to
apply the scientific method of objective observation and avoid jumping
(09:23):
to conclusions, collect the data, analyze it, observe it, and
then in the aftermath of the investigation, then we can
start to hypothesize and come up with theories as opposed to, oh,
i'm feeling a spirit I don't understand it, it must
be a demon. So that I think is where a
lot of my colleagues, and most the colleagues that I
(09:47):
work with, don't do things like that, but I think
the less experienced ones tend to want to demonize everything
if you will.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Sometimes as ago when you were on the program Mark,
we talked about curses of King UT's tomb.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Anything new there.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, yes, Perhaps the greatest pharaoh, or at least he
thought so, of all time was Ramses the Second And
anyone that seen the movie The Ten Commandments, No, Yule
Brenner was born to play the role of Ramses, and
Ramsey's the Great ruled for roughly seventy years. He ruled
(10:24):
about on twelve fifty BC. Well, long story short, He
and other kings in the eighteenth and nineteenth dynasty, like
King Tut, were buried in the Valley of the Kings,
But those ancient tombs were plundered by grave robbers back
in those days. So like, within about two hundred years
(10:47):
of Ramses being buried, his tomb and several others were plundered,
and the ancient Egyptian priests found the desecrated tombs and
the desecrated mummies, and they rewrapped them and they hid
them in a cave in a location near Dir l Bahrai.
And in eighteen seventy this cave was discovered and within
(11:11):
it were over fifty mummies, including some of Egypt's most
powerful pharaohs, Yeah, including Ramseys the second and what it was.
They were placed in wooden coffins, and you know, very
ornate and certainly not like the golden coffin of King
tud because all those had been you know, ransacked and
destroyed and melted down centuries before. Well, the mummies were
(11:36):
loaded on ships and brought up the Nile River north
to Cairo. Thousands of people George lined the banks of
the Nile River to pay homage to Egypt's greatest kings.
I mean that must have just been a site to behold. Well.
About thirty years later, in nineteen oh two, a group
of Egyptologists were examining the mummy of Ramsey's the Great.
(11:59):
I mean we're talking Ramsy's the Great. I mean, he
built temples everywhere, ruled for seventy years. He was in
his nineties when he died, you know, and he was
thought of as God and a God incarnate on earth.
And so he was placed in this glass case and suddenly,
in front of dozens of people, the mummy raised one
(12:22):
of its hands and it slapped the glass cover of
the case. Everybody was horrified. Some of the people ran
for the doors, thinking we've evoked a curse.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, as it turned out, the Pharaoh's mummy was not
in a controlled environment, and the sudden change in temperature
caused the tendons of the arm to contract spontaneously, so
his arm lurched. And and can you imagine, though, You're
(12:56):
sitting there looking at this, and you know there's there's
circulating rumors that there's a curse, and all of a sudden,
the mummy moves its arm and slaps the case. And
to this day, the hand that raised has not contracted fully.
It's still raises, you know, still just a little bit
above above his body. So if but the thing is,
(13:19):
Ramses was considered the living incarnation of a god, and
if any mummy could come back to life, I'm pretty
sure it would have been Ramsey's.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
The second what does that tell you about the other side? Mark?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
It tells us that we the Egyptians focused on preservation
of the body. And you know, because I've always wondered,
you know, they wrap up these bodies, they put them
in these coffins, not just one, but three, then in
a sarcophagus and buried them underground. Did they expect these
bodies to resurrect, and actually what they expected was a
(13:56):
spiritual resurrection. And the Egyptian believe that the preservation of
the body had a direct relationship to the preservation of
the soul. Now that was their belief, and other religions
believe that. But whereas like the Romans, and to an extent,
the Greeks, used to burn the bodies of their heroes,
(14:17):
which the Egyptians were mortified by. But the truth is
that our soul is not created by the brain or
by the body. It pre exists. The body comes into
the body, moves on after the body dies, and so
we have all these different rituals to honor that, and
(14:39):
I think that's really a good thing. George.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
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one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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