January 12, 2026 • 16 mins
Guest Host Ryan Wrecker and Remote Viewing Instructor Paul H. Smith discuss remote viewing and the Stargate project.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker.
Our guest was a big part of the military Stargate
remote viewing program and today you can find them online
ourviewer dot com, the nonprofit International Remote Viewing Association. Paul Smith,
thank you for joining us. And you know, I'm going
(00:24):
to be quite frank in this assessment and you can
tell me your thoughts on it, because it's kind of
interesting in the world we live today, where you have
all these electronics coming out of China and they put
spywear on it, and people are voluntarily giving up information
on social media and they're posting photos. It's never been easier,
I think, for the government to access information that at
(00:47):
one time was not accessible to the everyday person. Is
that taking the place a remote viewing?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
How is remote viewing looked at today when it seems
like all the information that you were asked to look
up during Stargate could probably be found by an amateur online.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, that's a fair question, and I think the answer
is yes mostly. Okay, So yeah, you see a lot
of things we don't need anymore. The SR seventy one,
you know that the blackbird don't need that anymore. I've
got all these other things to replace it. Remote viewing.
(01:23):
A lot of the things that we were trying to
dig up, you know, using remote viewing, they can use
other means today to get actually more precise, more accurate
information about so but there are still things that remote
viewing could be useful for because even in the past
it was used for those things we couldn't none of
(01:45):
our technical means could get at, none of our other
intelligence disciplines can get at. There are still those kinds
of things we still oftentimes, well, we don't have access
inside the you know, the Kremlin. I say that, I
don't think we do. We might have somebody in there
we don't know. That's not acknowledged, right, But there are
(02:08):
certainly plenty of things we don't know about it. And
there's a further advantage, and they're remote viewing can be
useful in collecting information from the past. So if you
needed to find out some details about something, Let's say
there was an event that happened that wasn't on our radar.
We didn't know what happened, and then we find out later. Oh,
(02:29):
that's something we need to know about. You could use
remote viewers at least get some information from that. It
is useful to some degree to the future. It's not
quite as as successful as a lot of people think
it ought to be in terms of getting information from
the future. But it can be done, and it has
been done. And so those are things that none of
(02:51):
our technical or regular intelligence discipline means can do a past.
Maybe you could do some investigation or something future. Obviously
that's something that we can't We can't actually get any
information about until it happens. Under most circumstances, remote viewing
can help to some degree with that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Wow, this remote viewing. It's interesting to think you can
look back in time as if you were a time traveler.
So how far back can you look in time?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I will give you one example, my example, and that's
the best I can do. So one of the problems
with the course of looking back in time is and
finding out whether you actually were right or not. So
if somebody, you know it's been popular in some quarters,
say well I want to remote you the Crucifixion. Okay,
to remote you the Crucifixion. Well, did the information you
(03:43):
dig up from that. Was it accurate or not? Don't know.
You can't go back and check right the biblical accounts.
People who believe in the Bible are convinced they're accurate.
Other people are not so convinced. So we don't know
how that goes. But if we can remote view something
that we back that maybe distant in the past, but
(04:03):
we have a historical record of, then then you can
actually verify, at least to some agree that you really
were there. So I'll tell you a story about that.
Back in nineteen ninety the Stargate folks were tasked to
support joint the various joint task force who were doing
counter narcotics operations. And as you can imagine, some of
(04:29):
the staff and these joint task forces, the military and
government civilians were a little dubious about what we were doing.
I didn't really believe it. I was able to actually
do a demonstration session for an admiral, the admirals in
charge in one of the joint task forces, and it
was successful. It blew his mind and he was a
big supporter from that point on. So that worked. But
(04:54):
there was an Army major who's the operations officer for
this particular joint task force and he had to deal
with us, and he didn't he didn't necessarily believe in
this stuff at all. So he wanted to give me
a test. And he says, Paul, will you come with
me over to one of our viewing rooms. And there's
(05:16):
nothing on the schedule. I said, well, okay. So he
takes me in the viewing room, we sit down and says,
you know, I got to have some kind of evidence
that this stuff is real or I'm going to have
a real hard time supporting you guys. I said, okay.
He said, what I want. What I would like you
to do is remote view a target that I have picked.
I've written on a piece of paper, folded it over
about ten times. He thought, maybe I can see through
(05:38):
his through his pockets and.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Going back to what you said before, blind to the target.
This is what you're de scribing.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yes, he put yeah, he wrote down, put it in
a piece of paper before he ever talked to me,
stuck it in his pocket, said the identity of the
targets in my pocket. I want you to remote view it.
And I'm not going to say anything, obviously, not going
to tell me. So I sit down and I'm going,
oh crap, If I blow this, it's gonna be we're
gonna have trouble here, because this guy will then believe
(06:07):
it doesn't work. And so I thought, okay, lot's rolling
on this. I'll do my best, and I sit down
at the table, I got my paper and everything, and
I start remote viewing the target that he wanted me
to remote view. And I'm going, I don't know what
it is, which is how you always feel, and okay,
and I started getting impression of of kind of rolling hills,
(06:29):
very heavily vegetated trees and and and and grass and
all kinds of stuff, and it was misty, cloudy, very wet.
It is almost like there's a fog. And then I
get this impression of a bunch of people who are
seem kind of primitive. They seem to be dressed in
in uh in rough clothing, leather and stuff, and they
(06:52):
had edged weapons and they were hacking at each other.
I'm going, oh, craud, I'm really, I'm really going out
on a limb on this. He's gonna shut down right away.
And I get into describing this, and then all of
a sudden, he says, Okay, that's enough I believe you. Wow, okay,
what in his pocket? And he pulls out that paper
(07:14):
and hands it to me, and I unfold it about
ten time before I get to it, and the target
was the Battle of Hastings ten sixty six. Ad.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Wow, how about that?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So instances like that when you are remote viewing something
in the past, and that's a fantastic example. By the way,
is it like you are watching a movie or is
it like you're looking at a painting, or is it
that you're just getting fragments of information what's going on
in your mind during the moment like that?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, the fragments of information is the closest, but it
kind of evolves as you get deeper into a session.
So when you first start off, all you get is
a very brief, almost subconscious impression of what kind of target?
Is it? A structure? Is it water? Is it land?
It's more complex obviously that I'm describing it here, but
(08:04):
I'm going to try and make it understandable. So you
get just a sort of an idea of the thing.
But what kind of thing is it? Right? And I
don't mean even in terms of like it's a cheese
grater or it's a or it's a pumpkin or something.
It's just it's an object, it's a it's a some
kind of structure, it's some kind of water, some kind
of land, just very general. And then you start getting
(08:26):
bits and pieces, so I call it fragments of perception,
So colors, textures, smells, tastes, sounds coming in little bits, right,
and then you start getting kind of a feeling for
the shapes and for the dimensions of it. It's big,
(08:47):
it's rounded, there's something slanting here, something's jagged, and then
that stuff starts to come together and you're able to
start sketching. At first, are very rough, but as you
get deeper into the session, they get more and more
like the target. Now you don't know they're like the target,
because you don't yet know what the target is, but
they're starting to kind of have come a shape and
(09:10):
maybe a form and kind of starting to giving you
ideas of what it might be. And then ultimately you
get to the point where you actually sometimes can get
a very accurate visual experience of it. But what's more
important is not that. What's important is the non tangent,
(09:32):
the intangible information you're getting, like its purposes. It's nature,
the kinds of things that go on here, that kind
of stuff that comes in as well, and a lot
of that is you don't see it, you don't hear it,
you don't smell it. You just know it's I call it.
I call it well non local knowing, kind of non
(09:54):
local knowing. You just know it. You don't know how
you know it, but you write it down your verbal eye.
And then of course when you're all done, you get
your feedback, assuming this is like a practice target, and
then you can compare what you got to what the
target is. And if you're on it'll blow your mind literally,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And can I tell you one of the things when
we do topics like this on coast to coast, I
get worried. I think, Okay, what if an enthusiast who's
trying to test out their remote viewing abilities are trying
to remote view into my studio right now? What if
they're trying to watch me? Is something like that even possible?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, first off, you know, it's really not very tasteful
to be there in your pajamas, and what a mess
you need to clean that place up.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know, So could you say you could see things like,
if I were to challenge you to look in my office,
would you be able to do that? Or is that
something that's not possible.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it's possible. But here's the thing. You couldn't say,
tell me what's in my office? Right? And the reason
is when you say that, instantly, I'll think of all
the offer as I've ever been in my life. Right,
i won't probably think of all of them, but I'll
have a representative thoughts about them, and I'll think, well,
(11:08):
there's a stapler in there, and I know you're on
the air, so I'll say, well, I see a microphone,
you know. And so my left brain is supplying a
lot of information that's just guesses and based on pre
existing knowledge, and isn't isn't typical, you know, that isn't
done anything do the remote viewing at all. And that's
(11:31):
one of the features what we call mental noise. Mental
noise is the biggest issue with remote viewing in that
your brain keeps wanting to tell you what it is,
even when it doesn't have enough information to tell you
what it is. Right. One of the things you learn
with remote viewing is to let the information flow in
and don't try and understand it. Just let come in,
(11:53):
describe it, put it down, and don't try Well, I
want to know what it is. As soon as you
have that thought, your left brain will give you the
wrong answers.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Interesting is that it's a lot of numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
A lot of numbers won't work. No, there are ways
to try to do that. Every once in a while.
It's weird. We don't know what it is. It's kind
of like a wild kind of something, wild thing happening,
and once in a while people will get numbers and
they'll turn out to be right, and frank, we don't
know how that works, and it doesn't work very often.
It's a very rare, rare thing. I wish we could
(12:30):
figure out. If you can figure out how to get
numbers reliably, you could write your own check.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It'd be Greaty, I know you can just do that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, it's interesting because you have the remote viewing instructional
services our viewer dot com and you teach people how
to do this. What's that process?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
How hard is it to teach someone this because it
seems so abstract in so many ways?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, it is, and it is quite challenging because essentially
you're trying to get someone to learn how to do
something that you can't write down in a book. It's
an experiential thing. It's like trying to tell somebody how
to feel love, right, and of course that's that's quite challenging.
The best way to do it well, well, first off,
let me say what I teach people. There are three
(13:16):
things I teach them. I teach them how to recognize
the signal as it comes in. And the signal is
very subtle, very nuanced, and it's easily missed even if
you're trying to pay attention to it. So I teach
them how to recognize the signal, what kinds of qualities
to expect. I teach them how to recognize the mental
(13:37):
noise which regularly tries to blanket the signal, tries to
smother it. And then I teach them how to tell
the difference what to do about it. And yeah, now
now that's the that's it sounds simple that, as they say,
the devil's is in the devil is in the details.
And so even though those principles are simple, actually convey
(13:59):
to someone can real challenge. One thing is the person
who's doing it has to be open minded about it.
They may have learned all kinds of different kinds of
psychic behaviors in the past. They have to be able
to let go of those for the for the period
of time they're running a remote viewing because sometimes things
aren't compatible, sometimes they get in the way of each other,
and so they have to be open minded. But the
(14:22):
only way to really do this is teach them the
general theory and the process and the format, and then
put them in an environment where they either have to
remote view or they don't get anything right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And going back to this example you use before, just
let's say, you know, fold up a piece of paper,
put in the pocket, they test your skills. How long
did that process take for you to start seeing things?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, I started seeing and experiencing things, Sensing things. Seeing
isn't the whole thing. I mean, seeing is just part
of it, right, I started right off. I mean I
we signed into the unit on first to September nineteen
eighty three, and within about a week or two I
(15:09):
had done my first remote viewing session. In fact, that's
what they do. They just tossed you in the in
the in the pool and you get your feet wet
right off. Now, of course, there's little more to it,
and maybe we can take some time in a minute
to I can tell you that experience, because it was
(15:29):
actually quite amusing in a way. But then when we
actually went and did the formal training with Ingo Swan
and how put Off, which was in January of nineteen
eighty four, about what three or four months later. We
then we had lectures, we had exercises, we had simulated
(15:50):
processing so that we could you know, they had us
do simulations of what we're going to do before we
did it, and then we had live remote viewing sessions
were monitored by Engo Swan who is the expert, and
we just did it enough you start there. There's there's
both instruction, education and trial and error in this process,
(16:11):
and we got a lot of trial and error in
addition to everything else. We had less trial and error
because we'd had the instruction and that and I approach
it exactly the same way today when I teach people.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker.
Our guest was a big part of the military Stargate
remote viewing program and today you can find them online
ourviewer dot com, the nonprofit International Remote Viewing Association. Paul Smith,
thank you for joining us. And you know, I'm going
(00:24):
to be quite frank in this assessment and you can
tell me your thoughts on it, because it's kind of
interesting in the world we live today, where you have
all these electronics coming out of China and they put
spywear on it, and people are voluntarily giving up information
on social media and they're posting photos. It's never been easier,
I think, for the government to access information that at
(00:47):
one time was not accessible to the everyday person. Is
that taking the place a remote viewing?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
How is remote viewing looked at today when it seems
like all the information that you were asked to look
up during Stargate could probably be found by an amateur online.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, that's a fair question, and I think the answer
is yes mostly. Okay, So yeah, you see a lot
of things we don't need anymore. The SR seventy one,
you know that the blackbird don't need that anymore. I've
got all these other things to replace it. Remote viewing.
(01:23):
A lot of the things that we were trying to
dig up, you know, using remote viewing, they can use
other means today to get actually more precise, more accurate
information about so but there are still things that remote
viewing could be useful for because even in the past
it was used for those things we couldn't none of
(01:45):
our technical means could get at, none of our other
intelligence disciplines can get at. There are still those kinds
of things we still oftentimes, well, we don't have access
inside the you know, the Kremlin. I say that, I
don't think we do. We might have somebody in there
we don't know. That's not acknowledged, right, But there are
(02:08):
certainly plenty of things we don't know about it. And
there's a further advantage, and they're remote viewing can be
useful in collecting information from the past. So if you
needed to find out some details about something, Let's say
there was an event that happened that wasn't on our radar.
We didn't know what happened, and then we find out later. Oh,
(02:29):
that's something we need to know about. You could use
remote viewers at least get some information from that. It
is useful to some degree to the future. It's not
quite as as successful as a lot of people think
it ought to be in terms of getting information from
the future. But it can be done, and it has
been done. And so those are things that none of
(02:51):
our technical or regular intelligence discipline means can do a past.
Maybe you could do some investigation or something future. Obviously
that's something that we can't We can't actually get any
information about until it happens. Under most circumstances, remote viewing
can help to some degree with that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Wow, this remote viewing. It's interesting to think you can
look back in time as if you were a time traveler.
So how far back can you look in time?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I will give you one example, my example, and that's
the best I can do. So one of the problems
with the course of looking back in time is and
finding out whether you actually were right or not. So
if somebody, you know it's been popular in some quarters,
say well I want to remote you the Crucifixion. Okay,
to remote you the Crucifixion. Well, did the information you
(03:43):
dig up from that. Was it accurate or not? Don't know.
You can't go back and check right the biblical accounts.
People who believe in the Bible are convinced they're accurate.
Other people are not so convinced. So we don't know
how that goes. But if we can remote view something
that we back that maybe distant in the past, but
(04:03):
we have a historical record of, then then you can
actually verify, at least to some agree that you really
were there. So I'll tell you a story about that.
Back in nineteen ninety the Stargate folks were tasked to
support joint the various joint task force who were doing
counter narcotics operations. And as you can imagine, some of
(04:29):
the staff and these joint task forces, the military and
government civilians were a little dubious about what we were doing.
I didn't really believe it. I was able to actually
do a demonstration session for an admiral, the admirals in
charge in one of the joint task forces, and it
was successful. It blew his mind and he was a
big supporter from that point on. So that worked. But
(04:54):
there was an Army major who's the operations officer for
this particular joint task force and he had to deal
with us, and he didn't he didn't necessarily believe in
this stuff at all. So he wanted to give me
a test. And he says, Paul, will you come with
me over to one of our viewing rooms. And there's
(05:16):
nothing on the schedule. I said, well, okay. So he
takes me in the viewing room, we sit down and says,
you know, I got to have some kind of evidence
that this stuff is real or I'm going to have
a real hard time supporting you guys. I said, okay.
He said, what I want. What I would like you
to do is remote view a target that I have picked.
I've written on a piece of paper, folded it over
about ten times. He thought, maybe I can see through
(05:38):
his through his pockets and.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Going back to what you said before, blind to the target.
This is what you're de scribing.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yes, he put yeah, he wrote down, put it in
a piece of paper before he ever talked to me,
stuck it in his pocket, said the identity of the
targets in my pocket. I want you to remote view it.
And I'm not going to say anything, obviously, not going
to tell me. So I sit down and I'm going,
oh crap, If I blow this, it's gonna be we're
gonna have trouble here, because this guy will then believe
(06:07):
it doesn't work. And so I thought, okay, lot's rolling
on this. I'll do my best, and I sit down
at the table, I got my paper and everything, and
I start remote viewing the target that he wanted me
to remote view. And I'm going, I don't know what
it is, which is how you always feel, and okay,
and I started getting impression of of kind of rolling hills,
(06:29):
very heavily vegetated trees and and and and grass and
all kinds of stuff, and it was misty, cloudy, very wet.
It is almost like there's a fog. And then I
get this impression of a bunch of people who are
seem kind of primitive. They seem to be dressed in
in uh in rough clothing, leather and stuff, and they
(06:52):
had edged weapons and they were hacking at each other.
I'm going, oh, craud, I'm really, I'm really going out
on a limb on this. He's gonna shut down right away.
And I get into describing this, and then all of
a sudden, he says, Okay, that's enough I believe you. Wow, okay,
what in his pocket? And he pulls out that paper
(07:14):
and hands it to me, and I unfold it about
ten time before I get to it, and the target
was the Battle of Hastings ten sixty six. Ad.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Wow, how about that?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So instances like that when you are remote viewing something
in the past, and that's a fantastic example. By the way,
is it like you are watching a movie or is
it like you're looking at a painting, or is it
that you're just getting fragments of information what's going on
in your mind during the moment like that?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, the fragments of information is the closest, but it
kind of evolves as you get deeper into a session.
So when you first start off, all you get is
a very brief, almost subconscious impression of what kind of target?
Is it? A structure? Is it water? Is it land?
It's more complex obviously that I'm describing it here, but
(08:04):
I'm going to try and make it understandable. So you
get just a sort of an idea of the thing.
But what kind of thing is it? Right? And I
don't mean even in terms of like it's a cheese
grater or it's a or it's a pumpkin or something.
It's just it's an object, it's a it's a some
kind of structure, it's some kind of water, some kind
of land, just very general. And then you start getting
(08:26):
bits and pieces, so I call it fragments of perception,
So colors, textures, smells, tastes, sounds coming in little bits, right,
and then you start getting kind of a feeling for
the shapes and for the dimensions of it. It's big,
(08:47):
it's rounded, there's something slanting here, something's jagged, and then
that stuff starts to come together and you're able to
start sketching. At first, are very rough, but as you
get deeper into the session, they get more and more
like the target. Now you don't know they're like the target,
because you don't yet know what the target is, but
they're starting to kind of have come a shape and
(09:10):
maybe a form and kind of starting to giving you
ideas of what it might be. And then ultimately you
get to the point where you actually sometimes can get
a very accurate visual experience of it. But what's more
important is not that. What's important is the non tangent,
(09:32):
the intangible information you're getting, like its purposes. It's nature,
the kinds of things that go on here, that kind
of stuff that comes in as well, and a lot
of that is you don't see it, you don't hear it,
you don't smell it. You just know it's I call it.
I call it well non local knowing, kind of non
(09:54):
local knowing. You just know it. You don't know how
you know it, but you write it down your verbal eye.
And then of course when you're all done, you get
your feedback, assuming this is like a practice target, and
then you can compare what you got to what the
target is. And if you're on it'll blow your mind literally,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And can I tell you one of the things when
we do topics like this on coast to coast, I
get worried. I think, Okay, what if an enthusiast who's
trying to test out their remote viewing abilities are trying
to remote view into my studio right now? What if
they're trying to watch me? Is something like that even possible?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, first off, you know, it's really not very tasteful
to be there in your pajamas, and what a mess
you need to clean that place up.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I know, So could you say you could see things like,
if I were to challenge you to look in my office,
would you be able to do that? Or is that
something that's not possible.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it's possible. But here's the thing. You couldn't say,
tell me what's in my office? Right? And the reason
is when you say that, instantly, I'll think of all
the offer as I've ever been in my life. Right,
i won't probably think of all of them, but I'll
have a representative thoughts about them, and I'll think, well,
(11:08):
there's a stapler in there, and I know you're on
the air, so I'll say, well, I see a microphone,
you know. And so my left brain is supplying a
lot of information that's just guesses and based on pre
existing knowledge, and isn't isn't typical, you know, that isn't
done anything do the remote viewing at all. And that's
(11:31):
one of the features what we call mental noise. Mental
noise is the biggest issue with remote viewing in that
your brain keeps wanting to tell you what it is,
even when it doesn't have enough information to tell you
what it is. Right. One of the things you learn
with remote viewing is to let the information flow in
and don't try and understand it. Just let come in,
(11:53):
describe it, put it down, and don't try Well, I
want to know what it is. As soon as you
have that thought, your left brain will give you the
wrong answers.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Interesting is that it's a lot of numbers.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
A lot of numbers won't work. No, there are ways
to try to do that. Every once in a while.
It's weird. We don't know what it is. It's kind
of like a wild kind of something, wild thing happening,
and once in a while people will get numbers and
they'll turn out to be right, and frank, we don't
know how that works, and it doesn't work very often.
It's a very rare, rare thing. I wish we could
(12:30):
figure out. If you can figure out how to get
numbers reliably, you could write your own check.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It'd be Greaty, I know you can just do that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, it's interesting because you have the remote viewing instructional
services our viewer dot com and you teach people how
to do this. What's that process?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
How hard is it to teach someone this because it
seems so abstract in so many ways?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, it is, and it is quite challenging because essentially
you're trying to get someone to learn how to do
something that you can't write down in a book. It's
an experiential thing. It's like trying to tell somebody how
to feel love, right, and of course that's that's quite challenging.
The best way to do it well, well, first off,
let me say what I teach people. There are three
(13:16):
things I teach them. I teach them how to recognize
the signal as it comes in. And the signal is
very subtle, very nuanced, and it's easily missed even if
you're trying to pay attention to it. So I teach
them how to recognize the signal, what kinds of qualities
to expect. I teach them how to recognize the mental
(13:37):
noise which regularly tries to blanket the signal, tries to
smother it. And then I teach them how to tell
the difference what to do about it. And yeah, now
now that's the that's it sounds simple that, as they say,
the devil's is in the devil is in the details.
And so even though those principles are simple, actually convey
(13:59):
to someone can real challenge. One thing is the person
who's doing it has to be open minded about it.
They may have learned all kinds of different kinds of
psychic behaviors in the past. They have to be able
to let go of those for the for the period
of time they're running a remote viewing because sometimes things
aren't compatible, sometimes they get in the way of each other,
and so they have to be open minded. But the
(14:22):
only way to really do this is teach them the
general theory and the process and the format, and then
put them in an environment where they either have to
remote view or they don't get anything right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And going back to this example you use before, just
let's say, you know, fold up a piece of paper,
put in the pocket, they test your skills. How long
did that process take for you to start seeing things?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Well, I started seeing and experiencing things, Sensing things. Seeing
isn't the whole thing. I mean, seeing is just part
of it, right, I started right off. I mean I
we signed into the unit on first to September nineteen
eighty three, and within about a week or two I
(15:09):
had done my first remote viewing session. In fact, that's
what they do. They just tossed you in the in
the in the pool and you get your feet wet
right off. Now, of course, there's little more to it,
and maybe we can take some time in a minute
to I can tell you that experience, because it was
(15:29):
actually quite amusing in a way. But then when we
actually went and did the formal training with Ingo Swan
and how put Off, which was in January of nineteen
eighty four, about what three or four months later. We
then we had lectures, we had exercises, we had simulated
(15:50):
processing so that we could you know, they had us
do simulations of what we're going to do before we
did it, and then we had live remote viewing sessions
were monitored by Engo Swan who is the expert, and
we just did it enough you start there. There's there's
both instruction, education and trial and error in this process,
(16:11):
and we got a lot of trial and error in
addition to everything else. We had less trial and error
because we'd had the instruction and that and I approach
it exactly the same way today when I teach people.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
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