March 7, 2026 • 17 mins
George Noory and psychologist Art Rosengarten explore his research into tarot cards and how to read the images on the cards, how long it takes for the predictions of the cards to come true, and his encounter with the spirit of a girl during an investigation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Been welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Art Russing Garden with us. His website is linked up
at Coast tocoastam dot com. How many books do you
have out there now?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Art, I've got four books. In my fifth one I
told you Hollywood's Stories coming out, so that that will
be my fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good for you. Now, the interpreter of the tarot cards,
how do they know? How do you know what they
begin to say when you pull a card?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Well, so there's two two levels, George. First, I think
it's important that you study and you you study the
tarot and you learn the taro from established experts that
you know each card has a spectrum of agreed upon meanings.
(00:57):
And once you have a kind of a basic education
in the tarot deck, then you can trust more your
intuitive take on it within that kind of established meaning
for each card. And that's where the art form of
(01:17):
reading tarot comes. When you know the deck and now
you can allow your own kind of intuitions and you know,
psychic talents to kind of move into it and work
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's very important too, though, isn't it absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's a but one of the things about psychics that
I have known who used the tarot, and many of
them are marvelous psychics, and they use the tarot, but
they don't know the taro. They're not really taroists. They
use the tarot, they'll see and you know, some image
(01:58):
within one card, and the springboard their own kind of
psychic reading off of of those images. They don't necessarily
know taro the way a tarot professional should know the taro.
And so like my first book, Taro and Psychology, Spectrums
(02:23):
of Possibility, in the back, I have a lexicon for
each card, coming from years of research and incorporation of
all the major tarot scholars over the last three hundred years,
for each card, and then I boil it down to
(02:43):
phrases and keywords, so anybody can use a good tarot lexicon.
All you need is just to be kind of guided
to the basic spectrum of it in a phrase, and
then you can kind of freelance from there.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hard I'm sure over the years you've tracked your readings
for accuracy. I'm going to put you on the spot
for a second.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How accurate are you okay? So my stock answer is,
assuming that someone is coming with the one requirement sincerity,
I would modestly say to you, George, I'm one hundred
percent accurate. However, hold on accurate is not accurate. It's
(03:33):
not about accuracy, it's about relevance. Accurate is kind of
a misnomer. I mean, what's accurate? Are we comparing it
to what we already know and think to be true
and determine whether that means it's accurate because it agrees
with our known understanding or is a reading on some
(03:59):
level relevant to what's going on now? And I would
say if a person is sincere, they will always find
relevance in a reading. Always, I with my readings, I
would say, so, I have a provision when I when
(04:21):
people come to me for readings, I haven't written down
my website if if after the reading you find there
was no relevance at all in the reading, then I
won't charge you. You'll get your money back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Have you ever had anything strange or bizarre happen doing
a reading?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Art? Oh? Yes, of course? Do tell Okay, Well, I
was thinking you know of a good coast to coast
kind of story of in that way. So I was Georgia.
I was you know, I've been was teaching the Los
(05:02):
Angeles Tarot Circle for about ten years. And I started
a new class in Orange County at a woman's house
who was familiar with my work, and she offered to
allow us to meet at her house. I think she's
a Coast listener. Name is Terry, very nice lady. So
(05:26):
I got I went up. We had a first the
first class there was five women, and I recall, you
know what I often do before the class started. I
stopped off at a coffee shop and went over. You know,
I do a lot of slide shows and a lot
of computer stuff in my lecture part. I checked everything out.
(05:47):
Everything was working fine, and when I got to her house,
I set everything up and then the new the new
Taro students came and I turned on my projector to
start to start it, and my projector kept on turning off.
I didn't know what was going on because it never
happened like this before. So I said, Okay, we won't
(06:10):
use the projector. Let's do introductions. So we went around
the room and each person kind of introduced themselves. There's,
like I said, five women and the class was. The
class went on and it was fine. However, the following
two weeks later, when we had our second class, there
(06:31):
was only four women that came and we were going
around kind of reintroducing ourselves who we had just met.
And I said, well, there was a woman sitting right
over there to the right of me, but she's not here.
Does anybody remember her name? And everybody in the in
the class said yeah, I remember her kind of, but
(06:53):
I can't think of her name. And I said, okay, well,
we'll just move on and we'll do our class. So
we did so. At the end of the class, and
again I tried I set up my projector and my
projector wasn't working. I didn't know what was going on.
(07:14):
It never happened before, like so, at the end of
the class, everybody left except the woman whose house I
was in, and I was kind of apologetic, you know,
I was saying, I'm sorry, my computer wasn't working. I
don't know what was going on. She said, Art, it's
not your computer. I said, what do you mean? She said, well,
(07:36):
I didn't want to say anything before, but I have
a ghost. I said, you have a ghost? Really, what
do you mean? He said, well, you probably know that
it's been known that so called ghost energies can't interfere
with electronics, etc. You know, And she says, I have
(07:59):
to think probably was with the toaster and things like
that breaking down all the time. And I said, wow,
that's that's pretty interesting. And she said, well, when I
moved into this house three years ago or whatever number
of years, because my sister lived next door, we started
having all these weird phenomena going on in the house
(08:24):
and I was very curious about it. I mean, it
felt like there was a ghost in this house. So
my sister and I went down to the Orange County
Registry newspaper and researched the sale of the house and
did a little more digging, and we found out that
a girl had been murdered in the house, a girl
(08:49):
you know that kind of bye by her stepfather. Yea
terribly gruesome, kind of awful story. And I believe that
that girl that was in my class that other people
saw too, was this young woman now living in the house.
(09:14):
So yeah, I had a ghost come in my class.
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
George, that's cool, And I know you're gonna want someth
after hearing this. This is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right. That tis book. Actually that got me thinking
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one that size for Warner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
It's great to see.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Friends that have seen it that is blown away.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five. Or visit Carnivora dot com c A r
niv O r A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now you you mentioned you have therapy patients for your
other basic occupation. Do you ever read the tarot cards?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yes, you do, Yes, absolutely. I think one of them
might be listening tonight. I told her that I be
on now not. I would say for maybe about twenty
percent of my clients are open enough for me to suggest,
(11:19):
you know, maybe we'll try maybe we'll bring in some
taro and take a look at how that kind of
fits into what we've been working on for the last months.
And people say, sure, yeah, let's try that. It's always
it's always excellent, And typically I'll do a reading in
you know, fifty minute hour, and then we'll spend the
(11:40):
next four or five sessions just going back into the
reading and just maybe associating with two or three cards
for a whole session and talk about that and look
at the dynamics between you know, in different spread positions
and what sorts of you know, parts of herself or
(12:01):
her life or life story whatever these things are talking
to her about. They're kind of like a dream. You're
interpreting a dream, and it's very productive. It's quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's fascinating, it truly is. Yeah, since you've been doing this,
you've also dabbled with crop formations.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yes, now, actually.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
What happened there?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, I went on a on a crop circle expedition
with someone who's been on your show, Barbara Lamb, do.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
You know, Yeah, And I went to England and you
know Wiltshire County where near Stonehenge where most of the
crop circle activity was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I was very fascinated in that and what I wanted
to do was to read the tarot cards inside I
had a crop circle. So it just I was very
fortunate because a new circle had just formed that the
night before we went out on an expedition. You know,
(13:14):
the poppies as they're called, that live in that area,
they all communicate online about new sightings of new circles,
et cetera. Just appeared like four o'clock in the morning
out of nowhere, this large, amazing crop circle geometric shape
in the middle of the wheat fields, you know. And
(13:35):
so I was among the first, I would say, thirty
or forty people to trek out to the circle with
my small group, and it was really extraordinary. And I
sat in the center of the circle, and I took
out my deck and I did a reading, and I
(13:55):
asked the question, what is the message of this crop circle?
What is the what is the message that the creators
of this circle were trying to tell us in this manifestation?
(14:18):
And I have a I have a picture right on
my computer right now that that was taken of that
reading right in front of me. Now. It was a
five card reading with you know, my own deck which
is two of the nine pass and it was really
fascinating and they My take from it was that it
(14:44):
was it was definitely some kind of inter dimensional or
alien intelligence that was through the tarot was communicating that
we see what's happening on your planet, and we're so
worried and concerned because you're, you know, with particularly with
(15:06):
the climate crisis and global warming and the craziness of
you know the politics and that it's not it's not
just your concern. The whole the whole galaxy is very
very worried about Earth, which is a extremely rare and
precious and important place, and that there is trouble coming
(15:32):
and you need to wake up now to start getting
it together because we you know, it's not just your
planet that's at stake. You know, the universe right now
is feeling the effects of the craziness that's going on
(15:54):
on the blue planet. So it was a very powerful
experience for me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
When we take calls. Next, do you want a question
from the listener or are you just one question?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
What would I do is I'm going to do three
cards bamp, bamp, bamp, but I'm going to interpret them
whatever your question is. I'm going to try to appro
relate it to your question and you can take what
you get from it and we'll move to the next person.
So I can hopefully do as many as I can
(16:25):
be very quick.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, generally, when you do a reading, yeah, when does
the effect take place? How long does it take before
you come questions?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You will get a feeling for it, but will you
need to let it marinate? You can maybe write down
some of what I'm saying, and as you sit with
it more intuitively, I think associations will it will get
richer and deeper, and sometimes it will be like a
whole week or several weeks that you'll sit with the
(16:54):
information and it will it will get more crystal clear
to you.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Been welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Art Russing Garden with us. His website is linked up
at Coast tocoastam dot com. How many books do you
have out there now?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Art, I've got four books. In my fifth one I
told you Hollywood's Stories coming out, so that that will
be my fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good for you. Now, the interpreter of the tarot cards,
how do they know? How do you know what they
begin to say when you pull a card?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Well, so there's two two levels, George. First, I think
it's important that you study and you you study the
tarot and you learn the taro from established experts that
you know each card has a spectrum of agreed upon meanings.
(00:57):
And once you have a kind of a basic education
in the tarot deck, then you can trust more your
intuitive take on it within that kind of established meaning
for each card. And that's where the art form of
(01:17):
reading tarot comes. When you know the deck and now
you can allow your own kind of intuitions and you know,
psychic talents to kind of move into it and work
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's very important too, though, isn't it absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's a but one of the things about psychics that
I have known who used the tarot, and many of
them are marvelous psychics, and they use the tarot, but
they don't know the taro. They're not really taroists. They
use the tarot, they'll see and you know, some image
(01:58):
within one card, and the springboard their own kind of
psychic reading off of of those images. They don't necessarily
know taro the way a tarot professional should know the taro.
And so like my first book, Taro and Psychology, Spectrums
(02:23):
of Possibility, in the back, I have a lexicon for
each card, coming from years of research and incorporation of
all the major tarot scholars over the last three hundred years,
for each card, and then I boil it down to
(02:43):
phrases and keywords, so anybody can use a good tarot lexicon.
All you need is just to be kind of guided
to the basic spectrum of it in a phrase, and
then you can kind of freelance from there.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hard I'm sure over the years you've tracked your readings
for accuracy. I'm going to put you on the spot
for a second.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
How accurate are you okay? So my stock answer is,
assuming that someone is coming with the one requirement sincerity,
I would modestly say to you, George, I'm one hundred
percent accurate. However, hold on accurate is not accurate. It's
(03:33):
not about accuracy, it's about relevance. Accurate is kind of
a misnomer. I mean, what's accurate? Are we comparing it
to what we already know and think to be true
and determine whether that means it's accurate because it agrees
with our known understanding or is a reading on some
(03:59):
level relevant to what's going on now? And I would
say if a person is sincere, they will always find
relevance in a reading. Always, I with my readings, I
would say, so, I have a provision when I when
(04:21):
people come to me for readings, I haven't written down
my website if if after the reading you find there
was no relevance at all in the reading, then I
won't charge you. You'll get your money back. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Have you ever had anything strange or bizarre happen doing
a reading?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Art? Oh? Yes, of course? Do tell Okay, Well, I
was thinking you know of a good coast to coast
kind of story of in that way. So I was Georgia.
I was you know, I've been was teaching the Los
(05:02):
Angeles Tarot Circle for about ten years. And I started
a new class in Orange County at a woman's house
who was familiar with my work, and she offered to
allow us to meet at her house. I think she's
a Coast listener. Name is Terry, very nice lady. So
(05:26):
I got I went up. We had a first the
first class there was five women, and I recall, you
know what I often do before the class started. I
stopped off at a coffee shop and went over. You know,
I do a lot of slide shows and a lot
of computer stuff in my lecture part. I checked everything out.
(05:47):
Everything was working fine, and when I got to her house,
I set everything up and then the new the new
Taro students came and I turned on my projector to
start to start it, and my projector kept on turning off.
I didn't know what was going on because it never
happened like this before. So I said, Okay, we won't
(06:10):
use the projector. Let's do introductions. So we went around
the room and each person kind of introduced themselves. There's,
like I said, five women and the class was. The
class went on and it was fine. However, the following
two weeks later, when we had our second class, there
(06:31):
was only four women that came and we were going
around kind of reintroducing ourselves who we had just met.
And I said, well, there was a woman sitting right
over there to the right of me, but she's not here.
Does anybody remember her name? And everybody in the in
the class said yeah, I remember her kind of, but
(06:53):
I can't think of her name. And I said, okay, well,
we'll just move on and we'll do our class. So
we did so. At the end of the class, and
again I tried I set up my projector and my
projector wasn't working. I didn't know what was going on.
(07:14):
It never happened before, like so, at the end of
the class, everybody left except the woman whose house I
was in, and I was kind of apologetic, you know,
I was saying, I'm sorry, my computer wasn't working. I
don't know what was going on. She said, Art, it's
not your computer. I said, what do you mean? She said, well,
(07:36):
I didn't want to say anything before, but I have
a ghost. I said, you have a ghost? Really, what
do you mean? He said, well, you probably know that
it's been known that so called ghost energies can't interfere
with electronics, etc. You know, And she says, I have
(07:59):
to think probably was with the toaster and things like
that breaking down all the time. And I said, wow,
that's that's pretty interesting. And she said, well, when I
moved into this house three years ago or whatever number
of years, because my sister lived next door, we started
having all these weird phenomena going on in the house
(08:24):
and I was very curious about it. I mean, it
felt like there was a ghost in this house. So
my sister and I went down to the Orange County
Registry newspaper and researched the sale of the house and
did a little more digging, and we found out that
a girl had been murdered in the house, a girl
(08:49):
you know that kind of bye by her stepfather. Yea
terribly gruesome, kind of awful story. And I believe that
that girl that was in my class that other people
saw too, was this young woman now living in the house.
(09:14):
So yeah, I had a ghost come in my class.
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
George, that's cool, And I know you're gonna want someth
after hearing this. This is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine
years old now, was suffering with not just one or
two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak of warts
all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability
to really function.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil
to right. That tis book. Actually that got me thinking
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can
see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to the with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's
you know one that size for Warner. I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see them
get into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
It's great to see.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm so happy and yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Confident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Friends that have seen it that is blown away.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
TI, this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. Call them
to awaken your immune system and protect yourself now called
one eight sixty six eight three six eighty seven thirty five.
That's one eight six six eight three six eighty seven
thirty five. Or visit Carnivora dot com c A r
niv O r A carnivora dot com.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Now you you mentioned you have therapy patients for your
other basic occupation. Do you ever read the tarot cards?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yes, you do, Yes, absolutely. I think one of them
might be listening tonight. I told her that I be
on now not. I would say for maybe about twenty
percent of my clients are open enough for me to suggest,
(11:19):
you know, maybe we'll try maybe we'll bring in some
taro and take a look at how that kind of
fits into what we've been working on for the last months.
And people say, sure, yeah, let's try that. It's always
it's always excellent, And typically I'll do a reading in
you know, fifty minute hour, and then we'll spend the
(11:40):
next four or five sessions just going back into the
reading and just maybe associating with two or three cards
for a whole session and talk about that and look
at the dynamics between you know, in different spread positions
and what sorts of you know, parts of herself or
(12:01):
her life or life story whatever these things are talking
to her about. They're kind of like a dream. You're
interpreting a dream, and it's very productive. It's quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
That's fascinating, it truly is. Yeah, since you've been doing this,
you've also dabbled with crop formations.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yes, now, actually.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
What happened there?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, I went on a on a crop circle expedition
with someone who's been on your show, Barbara Lamb, do.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
You know, Yeah, And I went to England and you
know Wiltshire County where near Stonehenge where most of the
crop circle activity was.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
I was very fascinated in that and what I wanted
to do was to read the tarot cards inside I
had a crop circle. So it just I was very
fortunate because a new circle had just formed that the
night before we went out on an expedition. You know,
(13:14):
the poppies as they're called, that live in that area,
they all communicate online about new sightings of new circles,
et cetera. Just appeared like four o'clock in the morning
out of nowhere, this large, amazing crop circle geometric shape
in the middle of the wheat fields, you know. And
(13:35):
so I was among the first, I would say, thirty
or forty people to trek out to the circle with
my small group, and it was really extraordinary. And I
sat in the center of the circle, and I took
out my deck and I did a reading, and I
(13:55):
asked the question, what is the message of this crop circle?
What is the what is the message that the creators
of this circle were trying to tell us in this manifestation?
(14:18):
And I have a I have a picture right on
my computer right now that that was taken of that
reading right in front of me. Now. It was a
five card reading with you know, my own deck which
is two of the nine pass and it was really
fascinating and they My take from it was that it
(14:44):
was it was definitely some kind of inter dimensional or
alien intelligence that was through the tarot was communicating that
we see what's happening on your planet, and we're so
worried and concerned because you're, you know, with particularly with
(15:06):
the climate crisis and global warming and the craziness of
you know the politics and that it's not it's not
just your concern. The whole the whole galaxy is very
very worried about Earth, which is a extremely rare and
precious and important place, and that there is trouble coming
(15:32):
and you need to wake up now to start getting
it together because we you know, it's not just your
planet that's at stake. You know, the universe right now
is feeling the effects of the craziness that's going on
(15:54):
on the blue planet. So it was a very powerful
experience for me.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
When we take calls. Next, do you want a question
from the listener or are you just one question?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
What would I do is I'm going to do three
cards bamp, bamp, bamp, but I'm going to interpret them
whatever your question is. I'm going to try to appro
relate it to your question and you can take what
you get from it and we'll move to the next person.
So I can hopefully do as many as I can
(16:25):
be very quick.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Okay, generally, when you do a reading, yeah, when does
the effect take place? How long does it take before
you come questions?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You will get a feeling for it, but will you
need to let it marinate? You can maybe write down
some of what I'm saying, and as you sit with
it more intuitively, I think associations will it will get
richer and deeper, and sometimes it will be like a
whole week or several weeks that you'll sit with the
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information and it will it will get more crystal clear
to you.
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