May 12, 2026 • 20 mins
George Noory and author Mike Berra discuss the declassified UFO documents recently released by the US government, what it means that the government admits they don't know what the objects seen on video actually are, and if this release will prompt other countries to release more UFO information as well.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast. AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome to part two of Who's Behind the Secret Door.
We've got four total people. I've guessed the first one.
Let's open up the door for number two. Hello there,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I am fine, George. I've just got back from boom
a Bookoo.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, really, what were you doing there?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I was investigating some ancient alien ruins, I was. I
was sticky pieces of paper between stones.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Have you been on our program often?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh? Yes, George, I've been on many, many, many times.
I've i frequently even talked about big giant granite balls
that can be found all over the world.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm going to take a guess you might have been
just one this couple days ago as a guest Weekend hosts?
Are you William Henry?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, George, No, I'm not William Henry. Did you know
you can also find these giant granite balls on the beach? Gosh?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Have you been in this field for a long time?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh? Yes, I'm one of the most famous conspiracy theorists
out there. I was just on the National news on
Thursday when the UFO files came out.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Interesting, we'll talk about that. Now that that could limit
me to a number of people that have been on
the show talking about UFOs. Well, I'm gonna ask you
one more question and take a guess. If not, I
shall give up, and you can tell us who you
may be. Have you always pursued UFOs or other topics
(01:51):
as well?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, George, I actually used to play point guard for
the New York That's no, that's a lie. I paid
that up. Yes I have, But I did have a life,
a previous life in the corporate workspace, working for the man, George,
working for the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Gosh, are you a remote viewer?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh no, I don't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, that's not you. I'm giving up. Who are you?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's Mike Barrett, George.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
My great job.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm doing my that's supposed to be my David Hatcher
children's impersonation. So hopefully it came across.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That was That was one of the stumpers I've ever had.
I'm one for one now. That good job.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think I fooled you a couple of years ago too.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You may have. You may have. That's right, Hey, we
give me do it. I'm doing fine. My friend and
I wanted to talk to you anyway about the UFO reports.
What you think of them?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, I mean, it's the best thing about it is
it's really exciting, is that you know, I've I've been
working with other researchers and on the Moon, you know,
for a long long time, and we've been pointing out
these anomalies in the in the squad over the lunar surface,
we see these bright objects, we've seen these flashes, and
(03:24):
we've been talking about them since the mid nineteen nineties really,
you know, back back in when Coast to Coast was
just beginning, and we got complete vindication I think on
Thursday or Friday, because basically what happened was is the
government admitted that we don't know what these are. We
don't know what these spots, these objects, these bright lights
(03:48):
are on these images because there absolutely should not be
anything in the sky over the lunar surface. It should
be pitch black in the lunar photography. And that that
was really gratifying and a lot of you know, there's
been a lot of bunk, frankly, trying to say, oh,
it's it's you know, it's radiation, you know, damage, it's
(04:12):
radiation damage or it's you know, it's it's something ridiculous
like that, or was it was put those showed up
when they scanned them on the scanning table. It's just
complete nonsense. All that stuff was debunked many many years
ago in Dark Mission, my first book, we told you
all that story, and so to have that be part
(04:35):
of this release was really personally gratifying because it feels
like it validates my work and the work of many
other lunar anomaly researchers for the last three or four decades.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, Mike, what do you think the criteria was to
release these reports?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, I think the criteria was simply stuff that they
didn't know what it was. They couldn't make a determination,
and now you know some of them. The thing is, George,
the internet's wonderful and social media is wonderful because you
can very quickly figure things out. There's a lot of
bright people out there that can explain some of these
and there's a couple of my figured out right away.
(05:13):
But you know, you basically you can help the government
because the thing we're finding out, I think when you
look at this, based on a lot of them that
are explainable, what we're finding out is is government's not
that bright and they need our help. So that's where
Coast to Coast AM comes in and George Nori comes in,
(05:33):
because you know you're going to have people on here,
you need to continue to have people on here that
will give the government investigators an idea where to look,
how to look, and what to look for.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Are there any more reports that they haven't released yet
or did they give us the batch?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, there's apparently many, many more. There's going to be
multiple releases, it sounds like over the course of time.
And it really does seem to me that we're going
to get this kind of on a week by week
by week basis.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And how are you following up on these reports? What
are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I mean, I continue to look at some of the
image analysis I've had. I've had some debates online, but
it's it's silly because because so few people actually appreciate
the history, the history, the legacy that this show, for instance,
has put out there. I mean, we have there's all
this history of these these Apollo photos that were there
(06:32):
and other photos that have been around, and other videos
that have been around for a while. There's explanations of
what is and is not true. So you know, it
really does a lot of validation of the history of
this show and all of the great guests you've had
on and all the people that have talked about all
(06:53):
these these different you know, images and videos and things
over the years, and and there was frankly some stuff
that's kind of interesting and intriguing and needs to be investigated.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
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Speaker 1 (07:06):
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Speaker 4 (07:11):
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but I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over
his body, so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
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Speaker 1 (07:31):
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so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
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Speaker 5 (07:42):
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You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one that size for Warner, I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see get
into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
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Speaker 5 (08:03):
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Speaker 4 (08:05):
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Speaker 5 (08:07):
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Speaker 2 (08:33):
We're talking with author Mike Berrer. He's also a lecturer, screenwriter,
television personality. His books have sold over one hundred thousand
copies worldwide. He is Secret Door Guest number two. I
didn't guess him. I won for one so far, I've
got two more to go. That was one of the
best renditions of somebody else I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
God, I mean, did you did you know who I
was trying to pretend to be or what did you?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I didn't know who that was either.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, well, that's okay, it would be it would be
better if you thought I actually was David at your
children's But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You so like you sounded a little like William Henry does.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Okay, Well, you know, I don't know if William would
appreciate that, but he's uh, he's a good guy with
a good sense of humor, so I'm not too concerned
about it. But uh uh, yeah, it was. I appreciate
the opportunity to come on and entertain you for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
George, I thought for a moment I had Gomer Pyele
on the show. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, that wasn't the sound and the accent I was
going for, but we got there nonetheless.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So what are you working on these days, Michael.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, I'm working on I do a regular podcast on that.
Right now, I'm working on responding to the release of
these UFO alien files, and I think, you know, I
think they're saying basically that they're going to ramp up
the weirdness as these batches of files come out. I
think we may have another bat much either next weekend
or the weekend after, certainly not longer than a couple
(10:04):
of weeks from now. So I'm trying to just ramp
up the analysis and look at the things that I
feel like I can't explain, and then focus on more
on the stuff that I can't and that other people can't.
And so it's basically trying to trying to steer the
debate like a ship, you know, underneath a bridge, in
(10:25):
a very careful way so that we get to the truth.
Because ultimately, that's all I really care about, is the truth, George.
I don't care about agendas or clicks or anything else.
I just care about getting to the truth. And this
is a huge step forward to getting to the truth
because for the first time, we have the US government
admitting that there's something to this, really admitting there's something
(10:48):
to this, and that's that's a big step for.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All of us.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Do any of the reports show us anything conclusive?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I think that I think the lunar stuff does.
But that's you know, my that's my pet project, one
of my pet projects here for the last twenty five
or thirty years. Yeah, I think it absolutely does. Some
of the other videos, they're unusual. There's one that's very
famous now this they call it the chandelier UFO, which
looks to me like it's a probably a camera artifact
(11:19):
and combined with some other like the the locking retical
on the on the HUD. So there's a lot of
stuff like that that is at least we're determining what
some of these things are. And people are complaining, you know,
they're complaining all this is nothing new. This is stuff
we most of this we've already seen before, well most
(11:40):
of it, but not all of it. And what's happening
then it's really important is that some of these examples
now are getting in front of the public for the
first time because you know, I have I haven't had
that many opportunities on national platforms to talk about alien structures,
extraterrestri structures on the moon, and so now we have
(12:02):
that opportunity. So it opens up the dialogue and the
exchange of ideas, and it gives us a seat at
the table that we haven't had before. And it's maybe
time for some of the other people. The bill NY
the science Guy and Neil de grasse Tyson. Maybe it's
time for them to sit down and be quiet a
little while and let the people who were right about
(12:23):
this stuff all along have the floor and explain things
to people what we think is going on.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Neil de rouss Tyson is one of our guests Thursday.
By the way, any any tipsy He's written a book
basically said to take me to your leader about what
happens if extraterrestrial life shows up. So maybe he's changed
his tone.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Huh, Yeah, Well, I don't know. We'll see it could
be certainly. Carl Sagan went back and forth. You know,
he was a big, big believer early and then his mentor,
Donald Menzel, who was a astronomy astronomer at Harvard, passed away,
and I think Sagan took his place on Majestic twelve
MJ twelve, and all of a sudden, Carl wasn't that
(13:07):
open to the idea of UFOs and aliens and extraterrestrial
life yet anymore. So, you know, we'll see people certainly
can shift in their perspectives because they're gonna have to,
because I think that the days of the debunkers acting
like they can explain everything are just about over and
there it's gonna it's gonna be a rough six months
for them, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Do you think this release of documents and information will
spearhead other countries to do the same.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Oh? Absolutely, because the United States leads the world. Regardless
of what you think of us and some of the
stuff our CIA has gotten into and some of the
issues we've had around the world over the last fifty
sixty seventy years, we lead the world, and when we lead,
others follow, And so I do expect to hear interesting
stuff out of Brazil, interesting stuff out of Russia, very
(13:56):
interesting stuff out of China. China is the great tapped
resource here, George, because we just don't know what kind
of cases they've investigated. And one thing we do know
about communist governments is that they keep really meticulous records.
So there's a whole treasure trove of new information and
new cases out there that we're gonna get our hands on.
(14:17):
Because our own administration has chosen to do this and
not treat it as as a joke, to take it seriously.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Is this release because of Donald Trump or was it
gonna happen anyway?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, I believe President Trump has wanted to get this
out for quite some time. He's the one who signed
the executive orders. He's the one who's gonna ultimately take
the beating for it if it turns out to be
a big nothing burger. So yeah, I think you have
to give him credit for it as well, for having
the courage to come out and do this, because, George,
we've talked about on this show, you and me numerous times.
(14:56):
When you introduce you're basically throwing a you know, or
a spanner into the works, or you're sabotaging the mechanism
when you introduce something like this into the body politic,
because you're inherently destabilizing this system. That is exactly what's
taking place right now. And I think it's an indication
(15:18):
that this administration is trying to take down the system
at all kinds of levels, all kinds of levels economically
and politically and constitutionally and now extraterrestrially. Is that a word,
If it is, it isn't I just made it up,
You just created terrestrially. So yeah, I think he deserves
(15:40):
a lot of credit for this.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Do you remember the Condon't Report which came out after
Project Blue Book.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Sure, sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Is this going to be something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
No, No, I think we're I think we're way past
that now because I think enough rich critical mass, you know,
enough people now know under stand and believe that aliens
exist and that they're visiting here and they've been here
for a long time. There's enough people that believe that
that we're never going back to that. Oh no, it's
you don't believe any of it. It's all nonsense. We're
(16:12):
not going back to that, And that's going to be
really hard for some people to deal with personally.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
In the batch that has just been released, What do
you think is the most comprehensive angle to all of
this in terms of what you could say without any
with any diffinity.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, the thing we can say is that there there
is stuff that our own government doesn't understand, and we
should not elevate them too high and make them the
Lord almighty masters. I mean, I remember having conversations with
some of my coworkers and you know, we were saying
to each other, Oh my gosh, what if they don't know.
(16:56):
What if we're the only ones who see what's on
these pictures? Right, it's scared but we need to embrace
that and move forward into it. I think the comprehensive
thing here, the big thing to take away from this
is that we, you know, are not We're not in
Kansas anymore, George. We're moving on and you and I
(17:16):
are lucky enough to live in the time when we're
right at the beginning of that. And I think that's super,
super exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Why saying things though, like we don't know what they are?
Is that a governmental cop out.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
In a sense? Yeah, because what if they do know
what they are, then they can't be held responsible for
lying to us for sixty, seventy or eighty years. So
what they're doing, I think in a way as they're
handing this off to the public for us to go
figure out what this is, and when we make the
right guess, it's like you needed to do tonight. When
(17:49):
you make the right guess, they're gonna go, oh, yeah,
that's it, that's got to be it. Oh guess what
we found more supporting evidence of that. So I think
that's the game that's going on, is they're trying to
absolve themselves from the responsibility for the cover up that
we all know has gone on for so long by
just putting information out there. Oh, look at that. We
never saw that. We never saw that face on Mars,
(18:11):
we never saw those pyramids on Mars. Wow, that's amazing.
Look at what the really smart members of the general
public found. And I think I think that's the game ultimately.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, in terms of the information that was released, how
far back do they go?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh, some of them go back into the you know,
certainly the sixties, the fifties. I believe there was a
case or two from the forties. But you know, George,
we haven't gotten the Holy Grail yet. We haven't gotten
the really big stuff. I mean, I love the moon stuff,
and I can argue that for the next five years
and win those arguments. But we haven't gotten into Roswell.
(18:49):
We haven't gotten into Cape Girardo. We haven't gotten into
the Italian crash of nineteen thirty five. There's these big cases.
How about the Phoenix Lights. What do we know about
the Phoenix Lights. Let's find that out. There's all these
cases that are big and important that haven't been part
(19:10):
of this yet. And it's gonna tell us a lot
about not only those cases and the relative strength of
them in terms of them being iconic cases, or whether
or not the investigators who've done the investigations, whether the
government's even competent at investigating UFOs. We know they've been
(19:30):
doing it, we just don't know if they're any good
at it. And that's what we're going to find out
over the next I would say, jeez, six months at least,
and the next couple of years for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But at no point have they admitted we have alien bodies.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Not yet, but you know, maybe it's just a matter
of time, right I. I. You know, this is really interesting, George,
because you know, I was really inspired to write my
book about President Kennedy because of the Trump really least
in twenty seventeen, right, which created which had new documents
in it, and I'm like, oh, this connects this dot
over here, and that connects that dot over there. And
(20:08):
so that's what they're giving us. They're giving us the
ability to connect the dots that we could not connect before.
And if they allow us to do that, we are,
you know, we are going to find get to the
truth eventually, which is what, at least for me, what
this has always always been about.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome to part two of Who's Behind the Secret Door.
We've got four total people. I've guessed the first one.
Let's open up the door for number two. Hello there,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I am fine, George. I've just got back from boom
a Bookoo.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Well, really, what were you doing there?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I was investigating some ancient alien ruins, I was. I
was sticky pieces of paper between stones.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Have you been on our program often?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh? Yes, George, I've been on many, many, many times.
I've i frequently even talked about big giant granite balls
that can be found all over the world.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm going to take a guess you might have been
just one this couple days ago as a guest Weekend hosts?
Are you William Henry?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, George, No, I'm not William Henry. Did you know
you can also find these giant granite balls on the beach? Gosh?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Have you been in this field for a long time?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh? Yes, I'm one of the most famous conspiracy theorists
out there. I was just on the National news on
Thursday when the UFO files came out.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Interesting, we'll talk about that. Now that that could limit
me to a number of people that have been on
the show talking about UFOs. Well, I'm gonna ask you
one more question and take a guess. If not, I
shall give up, and you can tell us who you
may be. Have you always pursued UFOs or other topics
(01:51):
as well?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, George, I actually used to play point guard for
the New York That's no, that's a lie. I paid
that up. Yes I have, But I did have a life,
a previous life in the corporate workspace, working for the man, George,
working for the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Gosh, are you a remote viewer?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh no, I don't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, that's not you. I'm giving up. Who are you?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's Mike Barrett, George.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
My great job.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm doing my that's supposed to be my David Hatcher
children's impersonation. So hopefully it came across.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That was That was one of the stumpers I've ever had.
I'm one for one now. That good job.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I think I fooled you a couple of years ago too.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You may have. You may have. That's right, Hey, we
give me do it. I'm doing fine. My friend and
I wanted to talk to you anyway about the UFO reports.
What you think of them?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, I mean, it's the best thing about it is
it's really exciting, is that you know, I've I've been
working with other researchers and on the Moon, you know,
for a long long time, and we've been pointing out
these anomalies in the in the squad over the lunar surface,
we see these bright objects, we've seen these flashes, and
(03:24):
we've been talking about them since the mid nineteen nineties really,
you know, back back in when Coast to Coast was
just beginning, and we got complete vindication I think on
Thursday or Friday, because basically what happened was is the
government admitted that we don't know what these are. We
don't know what these spots, these objects, these bright lights
(03:48):
are on these images because there absolutely should not be
anything in the sky over the lunar surface. It should
be pitch black in the lunar photography. And that that
was really gratifying and a lot of you know, there's
been a lot of bunk, frankly, trying to say, oh,
it's it's you know, it's radiation, you know, damage, it's
(04:12):
radiation damage or it's you know, it's it's something ridiculous
like that, or was it was put those showed up
when they scanned them on the scanning table. It's just
complete nonsense. All that stuff was debunked many many years
ago in Dark Mission, my first book, we told you
all that story, and so to have that be part
(04:35):
of this release was really personally gratifying because it feels
like it validates my work and the work of many
other lunar anomaly researchers for the last three or four decades.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, Mike, what do you think the criteria was to
release these reports?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, I think the criteria was simply stuff that they
didn't know what it was. They couldn't make a determination,
and now you know some of them. The thing is, George,
the internet's wonderful and social media is wonderful because you
can very quickly figure things out. There's a lot of
bright people out there that can explain some of these
and there's a couple of my figured out right away.
(05:13):
But you know, you basically you can help the government
because the thing we're finding out, I think when you
look at this, based on a lot of them that
are explainable, what we're finding out is is government's not
that bright and they need our help. So that's where
Coast to Coast AM comes in and George Nori comes in,
(05:33):
because you know you're going to have people on here,
you need to continue to have people on here that
will give the government investigators an idea where to look,
how to look, and what to look for.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Are there any more reports that they haven't released yet
or did they give us the batch?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, there's apparently many, many more. There's going to be
multiple releases, it sounds like over the course of time.
And it really does seem to me that we're going
to get this kind of on a week by week
by week basis.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And how are you following up on these reports? What
are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I mean, I continue to look at some of the
image analysis I've had. I've had some debates online, but
it's it's silly because because so few people actually appreciate
the history, the history, the legacy that this show, for instance,
has put out there. I mean, we have there's all
this history of these these Apollo photos that were there
(06:32):
and other photos that have been around, and other videos
that have been around for a while. There's explanations of
what is and is not true. So you know, it
really does a lot of validation of the history of
this show and all of the great guests you've had
on and all the people that have talked about all
(06:53):
these these different you know, images and videos and things
over the years, and and there was frankly some stuff
that's kind of interesting and intriguing and needs to be investigated.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But I know you're gonna want someone after hearing this.
This is an amazing story.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now I understand that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years
old now, was suffering with not just one or two warts,
but I mean a significant outbreak of warts all over
his body, so significant it impacted his ability to really function.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to
right it Tie's book. Actually, that got me thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immuno modulator, and
so I can see that it would work.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And so at what point did you see that there
was actually improvement it's really going to work.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.
You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,
and then going down to with just little red marks.
The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's
you know one that size for Warner, I thought, no way,
that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see get
into a pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yes, how wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
That's great to see him so happy and yes.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Unfident, absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
For instead of saying it that is blown away, Ty,
this is awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, this is awesome.
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Speaker 2 (08:33):
We're talking with author Mike Berrer. He's also a lecturer, screenwriter,
television personality. His books have sold over one hundred thousand
copies worldwide. He is Secret Door Guest number two. I
didn't guess him. I won for one so far, I've
got two more to go. That was one of the
best renditions of somebody else I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
God, I mean, did you did you know who I
was trying to pretend to be or what did you?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I didn't know who that was either.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, well, that's okay, it would be it would be
better if you thought I actually was David at your
children's But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You so like you sounded a little like William Henry does.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Okay, Well, you know, I don't know if William would
appreciate that, but he's uh, he's a good guy with
a good sense of humor, so I'm not too concerned
about it. But uh uh, yeah, it was. I appreciate
the opportunity to come on and entertain you for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
George, I thought for a moment I had Gomer Pyele
on the show. I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, that wasn't the sound and the accent I was
going for, but we got there nonetheless.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So what are you working on these days, Michael.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, I'm working on I do a regular podcast on that.
Right now, I'm working on responding to the release of
these UFO alien files, and I think, you know, I
think they're saying basically that they're going to ramp up
the weirdness as these batches of files come out. I
think we may have another bat much either next weekend
or the weekend after, certainly not longer than a couple
(10:04):
of weeks from now. So I'm trying to just ramp
up the analysis and look at the things that I
feel like I can't explain, and then focus on more
on the stuff that I can't and that other people can't.
And so it's basically trying to trying to steer the
debate like a ship, you know, underneath a bridge, in
(10:25):
a very careful way so that we get to the truth.
Because ultimately, that's all I really care about, is the truth, George.
I don't care about agendas or clicks or anything else.
I just care about getting to the truth. And this
is a huge step forward to getting to the truth
because for the first time, we have the US government
admitting that there's something to this, really admitting there's something
(10:48):
to this, and that's that's a big step for.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All of us.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Do any of the reports show us anything conclusive?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I think that I think the lunar stuff does.
But that's you know, my that's my pet project, one
of my pet projects here for the last twenty five
or thirty years. Yeah, I think it absolutely does. Some
of the other videos, they're unusual. There's one that's very
famous now this they call it the chandelier UFO, which
looks to me like it's a probably a camera artifact
(11:19):
and combined with some other like the the locking retical
on the on the HUD. So there's a lot of
stuff like that that is at least we're determining what
some of these things are. And people are complaining, you know,
they're complaining all this is nothing new. This is stuff
we most of this we've already seen before, well most
(11:40):
of it, but not all of it. And what's happening
then it's really important is that some of these examples
now are getting in front of the public for the
first time because you know, I have I haven't had
that many opportunities on national platforms to talk about alien structures,
extraterrestri structures on the moon, and so now we have
(12:02):
that opportunity. So it opens up the dialogue and the
exchange of ideas, and it gives us a seat at
the table that we haven't had before. And it's maybe
time for some of the other people. The bill NY
the science Guy and Neil de grasse Tyson. Maybe it's
time for them to sit down and be quiet a
little while and let the people who were right about
(12:23):
this stuff all along have the floor and explain things
to people what we think is going on.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Neil de rouss Tyson is one of our guests Thursday.
By the way, any any tipsy He's written a book
basically said to take me to your leader about what
happens if extraterrestrial life shows up. So maybe he's changed
his tone.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Huh, Yeah, Well, I don't know. We'll see it could
be certainly. Carl Sagan went back and forth. You know,
he was a big, big believer early and then his mentor,
Donald Menzel, who was a astronomy astronomer at Harvard, passed away,
and I think Sagan took his place on Majestic twelve
MJ twelve, and all of a sudden, Carl wasn't that
(13:07):
open to the idea of UFOs and aliens and extraterrestrial
life yet anymore. So, you know, we'll see people certainly
can shift in their perspectives because they're gonna have to,
because I think that the days of the debunkers acting
like they can explain everything are just about over and
there it's gonna it's gonna be a rough six months
for them, I think.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Do you think this release of documents and information will
spearhead other countries to do the same.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Oh? Absolutely, because the United States leads the world. Regardless
of what you think of us and some of the
stuff our CIA has gotten into and some of the
issues we've had around the world over the last fifty
sixty seventy years, we lead the world, and when we lead,
others follow, And so I do expect to hear interesting
stuff out of Brazil, interesting stuff out of Russia, very
(13:56):
interesting stuff out of China. China is the great tapped
resource here, George, because we just don't know what kind
of cases they've investigated. And one thing we do know
about communist governments is that they keep really meticulous records.
So there's a whole treasure trove of new information and
new cases out there that we're gonna get our hands on.
(14:17):
Because our own administration has chosen to do this and
not treat it as as a joke, to take it seriously.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Is this release because of Donald Trump or was it
gonna happen anyway?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, I believe President Trump has wanted to get this
out for quite some time. He's the one who signed
the executive orders. He's the one who's gonna ultimately take
the beating for it if it turns out to be
a big nothing burger. So yeah, I think you have
to give him credit for it as well, for having
the courage to come out and do this, because, George,
we've talked about on this show, you and me numerous times.
(14:56):
When you introduce you're basically throwing a you know, or
a spanner into the works, or you're sabotaging the mechanism
when you introduce something like this into the body politic,
because you're inherently destabilizing this system. That is exactly what's
taking place right now. And I think it's an indication
(15:18):
that this administration is trying to take down the system
at all kinds of levels, all kinds of levels economically
and politically and constitutionally and now extraterrestrially. Is that a word,
If it is, it isn't I just made it up,
You just created terrestrially. So yeah, I think he deserves
(15:40):
a lot of credit for this.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Do you remember the Condon't Report which came out after
Project Blue Book.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Sure, sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Is this going to be something like that.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
No, No, I think we're I think we're way past
that now because I think enough rich critical mass, you know,
enough people now know under stand and believe that aliens
exist and that they're visiting here and they've been here
for a long time. There's enough people that believe that
that we're never going back to that. Oh no, it's
you don't believe any of it. It's all nonsense. We're
(16:12):
not going back to that, And that's going to be
really hard for some people to deal with personally.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
In the batch that has just been released, What do
you think is the most comprehensive angle to all of
this in terms of what you could say without any
with any diffinity.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well, the thing we can say is that there there
is stuff that our own government doesn't understand, and we
should not elevate them too high and make them the
Lord almighty masters. I mean, I remember having conversations with
some of my coworkers and you know, we were saying
to each other, Oh my gosh, what if they don't know.
(16:56):
What if we're the only ones who see what's on
these pictures? Right, it's scared but we need to embrace
that and move forward into it. I think the comprehensive
thing here, the big thing to take away from this
is that we, you know, are not We're not in
Kansas anymore, George. We're moving on and you and I
(17:16):
are lucky enough to live in the time when we're
right at the beginning of that. And I think that's super,
super exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Why saying things though, like we don't know what they are?
Is that a governmental cop out.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
In a sense? Yeah, because what if they do know
what they are, then they can't be held responsible for
lying to us for sixty, seventy or eighty years. So
what they're doing, I think in a way as they're
handing this off to the public for us to go
figure out what this is, and when we make the
right guess, it's like you needed to do tonight. When
(17:49):
you make the right guess, they're gonna go, oh, yeah,
that's it, that's got to be it. Oh guess what
we found more supporting evidence of that. So I think
that's the game that's going on, is they're trying to
absolve themselves from the responsibility for the cover up that
we all know has gone on for so long by
just putting information out there. Oh, look at that. We
never saw that. We never saw that face on Mars,
(18:11):
we never saw those pyramids on Mars. Wow, that's amazing.
Look at what the really smart members of the general
public found. And I think I think that's the game ultimately.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, in terms of the information that was released, how
far back do they go?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Oh, some of them go back into the you know,
certainly the sixties, the fifties. I believe there was a
case or two from the forties. But you know, George,
we haven't gotten the Holy Grail yet. We haven't gotten
the really big stuff. I mean, I love the moon stuff,
and I can argue that for the next five years
and win those arguments. But we haven't gotten into Roswell.
(18:49):
We haven't gotten into Cape Girardo. We haven't gotten into
the Italian crash of nineteen thirty five. There's these big cases.
How about the Phoenix Lights. What do we know about
the Phoenix Lights. Let's find that out. There's all these
cases that are big and important that haven't been part
(19:10):
of this yet. And it's gonna tell us a lot
about not only those cases and the relative strength of
them in terms of them being iconic cases, or whether
or not the investigators who've done the investigations, whether the
government's even competent at investigating UFOs. We know they've been
(19:30):
doing it, we just don't know if they're any good
at it. And that's what we're going to find out
over the next I would say, jeez, six months at least,
and the next couple of years for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
But at no point have they admitted we have alien bodies.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Not yet, but you know, maybe it's just a matter
of time, right I. I. You know, this is really interesting, George,
because you know, I was really inspired to write my
book about President Kennedy because of the Trump really least
in twenty seventeen, right, which created which had new documents
in it, and I'm like, oh, this connects this dot
over here, and that connects that dot over there. And
(20:08):
so that's what they're giving us. They're giving us the
ability to connect the dots that we could not connect before.
And if they allow us to do that, we are,
you know, we are going to find get to the
truth eventually, which is what, at least for me, what
this has always always been about.
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