March 18, 2025 • 25 mins
It's Fantasy Suites week on Grant's season of The Bachelor and Ben and Ashley have some major revelations to share!
Ben opens up about why Fantasy Suite dates are "designed" to be boring, we discuss Grant's free flowing social media life, and it's time to get #JusticeForBen
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Almost Famous Podcasts. We are here this week breaking
down Fantasy Sweet Week. For Grant, it's the Bachelor. We
know not much left. Fantasy suitets are always a big deal.
I'll start it with this. I say it every year.
I know there's been talk Ashley that fantasy suites are
are not valuable important. How do you make them? You know?
(00:25):
So there's not this connotation that you got to go
sleep together. And what I will always say, no matter
where your value system lies, wherever your morals lie, whatever
you think about spending the night with somebody, Fantasy Sweet
Week is the most impactful week on the show for
the contestants because it's the first time that the cameras
are away, So you can go in that room, close
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the door and just be away from the cameras, and
conversations can exist and like you can kind of let
your hair down a little bit and take a deep breath.
I'm always interested in Fantasy Sweet Week because I think
it changes things so drastically, because it's the most intention
time of the season. And with that, we're gonna kick
it off. Ashley. You just started this thing. When we
(01:07):
got going, I'm gonna call you out a little bit.
You said, how are we going to talk about this episode?
Because you thought the date specifically were so boring.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, I just wanted to like talk about it on
like an overall level because I feel like I have
two sentences to say about each date. Nothing really happened
of consequence on any of these dates, and nothing changed
our minds from where we were last week with his
ranking of these women in my opinion, but there are
a few things that I've noticed that I think are
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kind of game changing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, let me tell you this. I'll give you a
little behind the scenes. Do you really want do you
want to hear a little behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'd love to hear behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, when you go on a date during Fantasy Sweet Week,
Sweet Week, and honest honestly most weeks outside of that,
you were are kind of requested not to have anything
of meaning happened during the daytime portion. So these dates
are supposed to be fillers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh, we've done this for like just seven or eight years,
and you now tell me that daytime portions are supposed
to be boring. They are supposed to be I mean,
it's true. We all know that. We all know that
the serious conversations happened at night.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
For example, there's no way that the show says we're
going to have a date on one of the most
valuable weeks of the season that's silent yoga and that's
going to progress this relationship. There's just no there's a
reason why that's the case. It's an easy setup because
what the show wants is this like date to be
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fun and something to talk about then in the evening
where we will really get the meat of the relationship.
So I don't disagree with you, but my point is,
I think that is strategic by the show.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I just feel like normally I'm far more in our
tained by Fantasy Sweet Day Week.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
MM. Why is that?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I felt like there was just like I just felt
like there was so nothing. I don't know, there was nothing.
Juliana had something. There was something with Juliana. You know,
she like really emotionally poured herself out with her you know,
talk about her ex and how she's broken. He's like
I'm broken, du blah blah blah. But like everything else,
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just I feel like I didn't it didn't progress anything
for me, this was my big these my my takeaways
from the episode have to do with it being like
the off air stuff. Apparently, Grant last night hosted a
picture like a screenshot of he and Juliana and he
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added her and then did a lock emoji. To me,
this is what it means. I said, I love you too,
Letia during the episode. But but baby girl, I got
you on Locke.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah. My take has been that he is not with Letia,
even though it seems to be the most sense and
it seems to be the one that he's pulling for,
which starts to answer the questions that we see the previews.
When we see in the previews for the rest of
the season, I think he's with Juliana. And the reason
I don't think he's with Latia is because of this
Montana girl's date.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, that and she was also seen with Kelsey and
Joey againcing with the stars.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It doesn't seem like the strategy that the show has
typically taken with the winner, Like they're kind of quiet,
hidden and she's kind of doing her own thing and
getting out there. So, you know, Juliana I think is
the clearest choice. I also think Grant has been and
this hasn't made big headlines, but I know people have
(04:48):
been talking about he's maybe been strategically open on social
media giving hints to how this process plays.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Out to add excitement.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, I think we could. You can see it two ways.
One it's him just trying to reassure whoever he's with
that this is the thing. Or the other side of
that would be it's sloppy. It's sloppy, like he said
he should have been on Love Island, like not the
Battery were both things.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well that's what he said last week. So you guys
don't know. He was commenting under another post and he
was like, when you know you should have been on
Love Island and not the Bachelor is that's just like
kind of him, I think, poking fun out of himself
for not being the greatest Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yes, well, and here's what happened. Here's the wild part
of this until we go on to the next two
dates that are our valuable important. So he starts doing
this stuff, which typically the show would start to call
him and be like, hey, Grant, you got to stay
off social media. Hey Grant, you can't be liking post.
Hey Grant, you can't be following this person and not
this person, like Grant, can you wait a month for
us here, buddy, because you're giving the show away, And
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that's the worst thing that can happen to the show
while it's airing. The problem is everybody that on the
show's gone now, so nobody's looking out, like nobody's over
the show anymore. They're all checked out, like if they're
still working on the show, they know their job is
ending as soon as grand season's over. So like, outside
of you a paycheck, what interest do they have in
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keeping this show moving this season? And so I think
he's just kind of doing what he wants to do.
Nobody's really checking out for it, and we're getting the
results of it because if you look hard enough, you're
gonna get a lot of hints at who he's with
and how this plays out via his social media. Now,
we just talked about Juliana and how she is a
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front runner in our eyes. Her date was what I
would say the best date out of the three. There
was vulnerability, I.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Agree, it had the most.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Meat to it, But we'll move on from that to Zoe.
Even it was obvious to us last week before this
episode even aired, that we thought Zoe was far behind
in third, like that, it almost didn't it make sense
for Zoe to be at Fantasy Sweet Week because like,
they didn't have hardly any time together. Now they're at
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Fantasy Sweet Week. They really don't know each other too well.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yet everybody feels kind of their lack of chemistry online.
There are so many memes that are like, hey, I'm Zoe,
nice to meet you, Like well walking into it there,
yeah sweet, It really didn't seem to change this week.
Zoe does feel a little robotic to me at times too.
(07:33):
She does not seem very invested in this. I've never
seen a girl seem so disinterested during this week.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, how would she be at this point? Now? She's
been given so many signs, in so many nonverbal actions
to tell her that, hey, she's in third, like Grant
didn't even want to spend a one on one with her.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Oh, because yes, there's really been no one before that
has gotten to Fantasy Sweet Week without having a proper
one on one besides home downs. Your home down being
your first one on one like that's wild wild.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So my thought is she is probably like, why am
I investing into a relationship that he doesn't want to
invest into Yeah, I'm checked out.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, something that I think is interesting that was never
mentioned during this and maybe it was Grant being smart
and just never bringing it up to production. I think
(08:41):
that that must have been what it is. But he
told Nick on his podcast that he had been celibate
for a year going into Fantasy Sweet Week, and I
think that's like a huge thing to talk about. But
my assumption is that he didn't talk about this on
camera because maybe he just didn't want to deal with
that because there's be so much additional pressure and so
(09:01):
much additional messiness a law zack. If he were to
say like, hey, I might just be continuing this celibate
journey until, you know, just one more week at least, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Gonna say, well, it makes sense because of his time
on The Bachelor att But then in between times he
could have broken that celibacy. He had plenty of time
and he was off so early during that season that yeah,
and he was you know, nobody would have expected it,
but they announced him pretty quickly as the next Bachelor,
and once you're the next Bachelor, I do think there
(09:33):
is that pressure of I'm not going to go out
there and date like, yeah, that's I'm so, you know,
a lot of this year has been taken up. I'm
not going to say that that isn't a strategic, intentional
choice by him, but a lot of this year has
been taken up with the expectations of this show that
now he is the lead of. But yeah, that is
a big talking point that was never really brought up.
(09:54):
But they did reference Zach quite a bit during this episode.
We do got to give a shout out to Daisy
and Rachel coming on and speaking to the first two guests,
obviously Katie.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Then yeah, Katie. Katie's segment was like a whole commercial,
like long segment, you know, like commercial Katie commercial. And
I was thinking that these girl chats, while worthy in
some degree, I think most worthy. With Katie's, I thought
they were just like just a waste of time, Like
we love seeing visits from past contestants, but when they're
(10:29):
so long, they're just like, why am I seeing more
of their day? Like I want to see more of them.
But with Katie, I think it was pretty much all worthy.
She talked to Latia before her day, and they specifically
had her because Zach, of course, was like, Hey, guess what,
we're not doing sex fantasy Sweet week and then oops,
he did and not with his winner, And that was
(10:50):
a whole hurdle that they had to go through before
their Fantasy sweet because Zach, you know, he told Katie beforehand,
which is the good choice. Well, I guess it was
a good choice, or he could have just said it
in the privacy though you know you don't let you
do that on the bachel word anyway, So Letia obviously
wanted to talk to Katie about the fact that she
like had full intent to not sleep with Grant until
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fantasies until she was chosen at the end, if she
is chosen. And I would think that that was going
to be a religious thing. I thought was going to
be more. I thought she was going to say more
so like we may not have sex soal or married.
But that doesn't seem Likelytia's intention right now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, I think this is a very fair thing
for any contestant to request and to say and to
speak out. Uh, this is a weird week and it's
and it does frustrate me, not frustrate me. It is
kind of a stereotype of the week that this is
all about sex, and the truth is, when you're in it,
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it's not It is a It is a reprieve from
the grind of the every day that has been your
life for three months. It is a really exciting week
to take a deep breath and just be you because
no matter who you are with, the cameras are going.
You recognize that there's a camera on you, and so
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you can ask questions and say things that maybe you're
more nervous about. Maybe Grant can open up about his
dad a little bit more to her because the cameras
aren't there and he knows it's not going to be
displayed to national audience. Like, things like that are so
important this week, and so for her to say this,
it's not only fair, it's very understandable. It should not
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be a conversation. I don't think of, Oh, this is
such an important piece though to us getting together. It's like,
give her a break. This is a weird week, man, Like, Yeah,
this is an odd scenario.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Although Zach didn't handle it well, it's probably a good
idea to not have sex the VI because it's probably
probably gonna create issues down the road, but you know,
every Yeah, so he had a he had he had
a good hope there or at.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Least ask for everybody's opinion, like maybe don't like make
make the decision on behalf of everybody, but say, yeah,
you know this is why. But okay, so Tia makes
it clear kind of her expectations. It does seem and
Astley tell me if I'm wrong to me right now
and the show is good at this, I get it.
(13:33):
It just feels like to me, Grant wants to choose Latia.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, So actually this was a This was a big
moment for me during the episode. This Latita's whole day
was the episode to me because she I did not
feel their connection as strongly as I usually do during
their date what was aired. I know that sounds crazy
(13:57):
because he ended the date with I love you, which
actually threw me off. I was like, wait, have I
been reading your body language wrong, sir, Because for the
first time I felt like Letia wasn't the front runner
until he said that, I thought that he he seemed
just bored behind the eyes. I don't know what it was.
His like light in his eyes when he normally looks
(14:19):
at her wasn't there. And my interpretation of that was
that he was thinking of Juliana during this day, and
like that he had switched and he was now very
connected to Juliana after their fantasy suite and after that
conversation that we saw, and then all of a sudden,
he says, I love you, and I go, whoops. Maybe
they were just showing me think like they were just
(14:39):
showing me body language from Grant that was throwing me off.
Maybe they did it intentionally. But yeah, he says, I
love you, which can only make her think she is
the one, And you'd really think that he was pretty
certain she was the one too, But we see you.
Of course next week he was absolutely not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Can I have my annual moment here? Can I take
my annual moment that I.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Give an annual moment?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Can I just again, for the tenth straight year, say
justice for me? I know, I know, I mean I
got absolutely blasted, blasted, and once they aired this for me,
I think every season since then has had a moment
(15:32):
like this. I know, like they've had this place where
they're like, I don't know what to do. This is
so hard. I've never dated thirty women at one time.
I don't know how to do it. Well, I don't
know what the right words to say are. I don't
know how to reassure but not give too much confidence.
I don't know how to say things but not lead
somebody on. I'm feeling this now, so let me express it,
(15:55):
even though I don't know if it's really true or
if how it's going to play out. It happens every year,
and somehow, somehow now it's just a thing. It's just
it's just the way.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
This shows go, the normal thing.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Really, but every year, I have to take that moment
and just get it out there because I'm selfish, I'm hurt. Ah,
I'm so affected by the response back then, people saying
that it was confusing, that it was mean, and I
(16:33):
just have to take this second and say once again,
I'll put my steak in the ground and say, look
at what's happening. I'm not alone.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You should feel all the vindication that you feel.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Thank you, Ashley. All Right, we can move on.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
We can move on.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But what was your interpretation of that date? Am I
being dramatic?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, you're not being dramatic. I think I saw it differently,
mostly after the tell All episode with Grant. I think
Grant is tired, and I think he's very over it.
I think he wants this to work still, and I
do think Grant has been a bachelor that has been
(17:16):
a good bachelor in the sense that he does want
this to work, and that is the most important item
that we need in a lead.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I though I said one bachelor didn't want it to work?
Was it Wan Pablo?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
There's been a few. I won't name names, but there's
a few that I know went into it going this
is just gonna be good for me. You can make
assumptions off of that. But I think he looks tired.
I think he looks over it. I think he looks frustrated.
I'm sure he's been frustrated just based on kind of
the things that he's wanted out of this experience that
(17:51):
he isn't getting. So when I see hit him and
Letia together, it isn't that he's not into her. I
think he he's just not into any of this anymore.
He doesn't. I'm gonna be very interested in the final
live show to see kind of his face, but maybe
it was just me.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, I think he's gonna be dreading the live show.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, sure, we all we all do. It's not fun.
So literally, you're roast.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He might have the worst. Well, just he keeps teasing
that he might have the worst. He's the one that
says like everybody's gonna hate me or something in the tease.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, well it's not gonna be fun. I don't think
anybody looks at it and goes, this is gonna be
a great Maybe Joey did because he was still with
Kelsey and he's like, this is gonna be fine. Like
everybody and I, you know, get along.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But everybody loved him. Everybody was just like Joey does.
So I let you know that, like Robert Hart, but
I still love you. You're a great man.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Hope you guys make it work. So I just think
this isn't gonna be fun for granted, So I don't
I don't necessarily see the chemistry.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Side, Okay, I mean I might be being dramatic and
saying that for some reason, it just didn't feel the
same way it usually feels. And I was like, ah,
he's thinking about Juliana. Might be wrong. Okay, So he
obviously eliminates Zoe the least dramatic row ceremony of all time.
Could you imagine what they're when, you know how you
were just talking about the feeling of when the door
closes and you finally have alone time for the first time.
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I'm imagining that, like the door closed. And then he
was like, oh, this is even more accord.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
With Yeah, he's like, hey, what do you want to do?
You want to do a puzzle.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
For two extremely hot people. It seems like they had
absolutely no physical chemistry too, but I can't even really imagine,
and they had to have some She had pain flown.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
In that room. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So last week when She's all Batch was on and
you were in DC, I did drop like a little
something something that we've been hearing, and that was that
there may be a coin toss at the end of
this that helps him in deciding who he's gonna pick.
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We have no idea the legitimacy of this, Like somebody
told us this. A couple theories on the way that
this might go down, if indeed it is a thing. One,
I don't think it's a thing because or I don't
think it's a thing that they're gonna air because they
haven't teased it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
There's no way they hear it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Oh, Okay, okay, if they.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Aired that, they might as well just then walk out
with the white flag and be like this has been
a fun twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The show's done well, you know what, it's on its way.
So his minus will do it with a very hilarious moment,
I mean in hilarious to us and not hilarious to
these two women.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Or you just walk Chris Harrison out with the white
flag and say, hey, guys, I told you so.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That be oh and then he'd be like Harrison out,
boom boom, that's really good. That's good to you, you too, Okay.
So yeah, I was gonna say one thing why. One
theory is that it happened and they're not gonna er
it because they if they were gonna er it, it
was gonna be teased all season long. All we were
gonna see was that like thumb go on poop in
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every teaser. And then my second thing is like, well,
he does it, but they don't. They don't tease it
that he that they that he does it, and that
they don't actually air it, which is apparently yours. So
we'll actually never know whether it was a coin flip
or not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Maybe get him on an ask, he'll tell us I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He he's still happy with this girl?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, wait till like yeah, well, wait to say that
plays out?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The The other thing we have to talk about before
we wrap this ben is he says I love you Toltiya,
but we still think that he but he obviously is
so so torn next week that he obviously feels the
same way about Juliana. He's gonna probably end up saying
I love you to Juliana. I guess how how how
does one? How does it flip so fast? I guess
it does. I guess it flips. You keep saying that
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it flips, so it can you can truly not know
until like a day or two before.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it flips as much as
you get some clarity or you start to do like
the pros and cons. I mean, this is such a
weird way to try to find a forever partner that
you do things and think through things that you would
never do in a natural, healthy relationship. You literally are
(22:29):
comparing two people and you're saying, what's the pros and
what's the cons to each? And I get to choose
it's not healthy, it's not I would say, it's very
rare that when you're this conflicted, it's gonna end up
working afterwards, which is.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Why it really hasn't worked many times.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's what I'm saying. And so if I had to
pay a place of back, I don't know who he's with,
and I wish Grant the best I do. I want
him happy. I want whoever he's with happy. That's not
the point here. I would just say if I was
a betting and I would say this relationship probably isn't
either working right now or it's on its way to
not be working, because it affects both people very deeply,
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and it isn't the healthiest way to kick off something
new and fresh. If we look back in Bachelor history,
the ones that have made it work are the ones
that it was pretty clear outside of Desire and Chris.
But I still think it was clearer than what the
show led on there. Yeah, I think it was a
lot clearer to them. So that's my thoughts, Ashley. The
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previews for the rest of the season are emotional, They're dramatic,
like always. I do think, if anything, if you're listening
to this and you haven't watched any of Grant's season.
Yet I understand I'm not gonna shame watch like watch
shame you or whatever. I would say. Tune into the
final episode because I think, no matter what, it's going
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to be entertaining and it's going to be truly one
of the most dramatic endings we've ever seen in Bachelor history.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I agree, for one of the weakest seasons, sorry, guys,
I do think that the finale will be one of
the more compelling ones because Oh, he really doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't think he knows, and I don't think he
has a great path to knowing. And that's how we're
gonna end this. We're gonna be back breaking down. Obviously,
the rest of the season, it hasn't been a season
that we would say was a home run. It hasn't
been one that we've been on our edge of the seat,
on the edge of our seats for. But I do
think if you haven't watched all season, tune into the
final episode next week. It's going to be something that
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is talked about, that is memorable and that probably makes
you a little squeamish and awkward. I would expect this
episode to have all the goods in it better because
I do know this. The show has enough content from
this week to make it really good. It just matters
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how it shown.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And my final thought is that I think that he's
not going to say I love you Juliana until the altar,
as in, you know, the final roles alter.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, wherever that says. This has been Almost Famous podcast.
We're gonna be back next week with another breakdown of
Grant season. We also have some great content coming your
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We're trying our best here. Until next time, I've been.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Ben, I've Been Ashley. See you guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Almost Famous Podcasts. We are here this week breaking
down Fantasy Sweet Week. For Grant, it's the Bachelor. We
know not much left. Fantasy suitets are always a big deal.
I'll start it with this. I say it every year.
I know there's been talk Ashley that fantasy suites are
are not valuable important. How do you make them? You know?
(00:25):
So there's not this connotation that you got to go
sleep together. And what I will always say, no matter
where your value system lies, wherever your morals lie, whatever
you think about spending the night with somebody, Fantasy Sweet
Week is the most impactful week on the show for
the contestants because it's the first time that the cameras
are away, So you can go in that room, close
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the door and just be away from the cameras, and
conversations can exist and like you can kind of let
your hair down a little bit and take a deep breath.
I'm always interested in Fantasy Sweet Week because I think
it changes things so drastically, because it's the most intention
time of the season. And with that, we're gonna kick
it off. Ashley. You just started this thing. When we
(01:07):
got going, I'm gonna call you out a little bit.
You said, how are we going to talk about this episode?
Because you thought the date specifically were so boring.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, I just wanted to like talk about it on
like an overall level because I feel like I have
two sentences to say about each date. Nothing really happened
of consequence on any of these dates, and nothing changed
our minds from where we were last week with his
ranking of these women in my opinion, but there are
a few things that I've noticed that I think are
(01:38):
kind of game changing.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Okay, let me tell you this. I'll give you a
little behind the scenes. Do you really want do you
want to hear a little behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'd love to hear behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, when you go on a date during Fantasy Sweet Week,
Sweet Week, and honest honestly most weeks outside of that,
you were are kind of requested not to have anything
of meaning happened during the daytime portion. So these dates
are supposed to be fillers.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh, we've done this for like just seven or eight years,
and you now tell me that daytime portions are supposed
to be boring. They are supposed to be I mean,
it's true. We all know that. We all know that
the serious conversations happened at night.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
For example, there's no way that the show says we're
going to have a date on one of the most
valuable weeks of the season that's silent yoga and that's
going to progress this relationship. There's just no there's a
reason why that's the case. It's an easy setup because
what the show wants is this like date to be
(02:45):
fun and something to talk about then in the evening
where we will really get the meat of the relationship.
So I don't disagree with you, but my point is,
I think that is strategic by the show.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I just feel like normally I'm far more in our
tained by Fantasy Sweet Day Week.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
MM. Why is that?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I felt like there was just like I just felt
like there was so nothing. I don't know, there was nothing.
Juliana had something. There was something with Juliana. You know,
she like really emotionally poured herself out with her you know,
talk about her ex and how she's broken. He's like
I'm broken, du blah blah blah. But like everything else,
(03:26):
just I feel like I didn't it didn't progress anything
for me, this was my big these my my takeaways
from the episode have to do with it being like
the off air stuff. Apparently, Grant last night hosted a
picture like a screenshot of he and Juliana and he
(03:47):
added her and then did a lock emoji. To me,
this is what it means. I said, I love you too,
Letia during the episode. But but baby girl, I got
you on Locke.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah. My take has been that he is not with Letia,
even though it seems to be the most sense and
it seems to be the one that he's pulling for,
which starts to answer the questions that we see the previews.
When we see in the previews for the rest of
the season, I think he's with Juliana. And the reason
I don't think he's with Latia is because of this
Montana girl's date.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Okay, that and she was also seen with Kelsey and
Joey againcing with the stars.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
It doesn't seem like the strategy that the show has
typically taken with the winner, Like they're kind of quiet,
hidden and she's kind of doing her own thing and
getting out there. So, you know, Juliana I think is
the clearest choice. I also think Grant has been and
this hasn't made big headlines, but I know people have
(04:48):
been talking about he's maybe been strategically open on social
media giving hints to how this process plays.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Out to add excitement.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, I think we could. You can see it two ways.
One it's him just trying to reassure whoever he's with
that this is the thing. Or the other side of
that would be it's sloppy. It's sloppy, like he said
he should have been on Love Island, like not the
Battery were both things.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well that's what he said last week. So you guys
don't know. He was commenting under another post and he
was like, when you know you should have been on
Love Island and not the Bachelor is that's just like
kind of him, I think, poking fun out of himself
for not being the greatest Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yes, well, and here's what happened. Here's the wild part
of this until we go on to the next two
dates that are our valuable important. So he starts doing
this stuff, which typically the show would start to call
him and be like, hey, Grant, you got to stay
off social media. Hey Grant, you can't be liking post.
Hey Grant, you can't be following this person and not
this person, like Grant, can you wait a month for
us here, buddy, because you're giving the show away, And
(05:55):
that's the worst thing that can happen to the show
while it's airing. The problem is everybody that on the
show's gone now, so nobody's looking out, like nobody's over
the show anymore. They're all checked out, like if they're
still working on the show, they know their job is
ending as soon as grand season's over. So like, outside
of you a paycheck, what interest do they have in
(06:15):
keeping this show moving this season? And so I think
he's just kind of doing what he wants to do.
Nobody's really checking out for it, and we're getting the
results of it because if you look hard enough, you're
gonna get a lot of hints at who he's with
and how this plays out via his social media. Now,
we just talked about Juliana and how she is a
(06:36):
front runner in our eyes. Her date was what I
would say the best date out of the three. There
was vulnerability, I.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Agree, it had the most.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Meat to it, But we'll move on from that to Zoe.
Even it was obvious to us last week before this
episode even aired, that we thought Zoe was far behind
in third, like that, it almost didn't it make sense
for Zoe to be at Fantasy Sweet Week because like,
they didn't have hardly any time together. Now they're at
(07:08):
Fantasy Sweet Week. They really don't know each other too well.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yet everybody feels kind of their lack of chemistry online.
There are so many memes that are like, hey, I'm Zoe,
nice to meet you, Like well walking into it there,
yeah sweet, It really didn't seem to change this week.
Zoe does feel a little robotic to me at times too.
(07:33):
She does not seem very invested in this. I've never
seen a girl seem so disinterested during this week.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, how would she be at this point? Now? She's
been given so many signs, in so many nonverbal actions
to tell her that, hey, she's in third, like Grant
didn't even want to spend a one on one with her.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Oh, because yes, there's really been no one before that
has gotten to Fantasy Sweet Week without having a proper
one on one besides home downs. Your home down being
your first one on one like that's wild wild.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So my thought is she is probably like, why am
I investing into a relationship that he doesn't want to
invest into Yeah, I'm checked out.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, something that I think is interesting that was never
mentioned during this and maybe it was Grant being smart
and just never bringing it up to production. I think
(08:41):
that that must have been what it is. But he
told Nick on his podcast that he had been celibate
for a year going into Fantasy Sweet Week, and I
think that's like a huge thing to talk about. But
my assumption is that he didn't talk about this on
camera because maybe he just didn't want to deal with
that because there's be so much additional pressure and so
(09:01):
much additional messiness a law zack. If he were to
say like, hey, I might just be continuing this celibate
journey until, you know, just one more week at least, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Gonna say, well, it makes sense because of his time
on The Bachelor att But then in between times he
could have broken that celibacy. He had plenty of time
and he was off so early during that season that yeah,
and he was you know, nobody would have expected it,
but they announced him pretty quickly as the next Bachelor,
and once you're the next Bachelor, I do think there
(09:33):
is that pressure of I'm not going to go out
there and date like, yeah, that's I'm so, you know,
a lot of this year has been taken up. I'm
not going to say that that isn't a strategic, intentional
choice by him, but a lot of this year has
been taken up with the expectations of this show that
now he is the lead of. But yeah, that is
a big talking point that was never really brought up.
(09:54):
But they did reference Zach quite a bit during this episode.
We do got to give a shout out to Daisy
and Rachel coming on and speaking to the first two guests,
obviously Katie.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Then yeah, Katie. Katie's segment was like a whole commercial,
like long segment, you know, like commercial Katie commercial. And
I was thinking that these girl chats, while worthy in
some degree, I think most worthy. With Katie's, I thought
they were just like just a waste of time, Like
we love seeing visits from past contestants, but when they're
(10:29):
so long, they're just like, why am I seeing more
of their day? Like I want to see more of them.
But with Katie, I think it was pretty much all worthy.
She talked to Latia before her day, and they specifically
had her because Zach, of course, was like, Hey, guess what,
we're not doing sex fantasy Sweet week and then oops,
he did and not with his winner, And that was
(10:50):
a whole hurdle that they had to go through before
their Fantasy sweet because Zach, you know, he told Katie beforehand,
which is the good choice. Well, I guess it was
a good choice, or he could have just said it
in the privacy though you know you don't let you
do that on the bachel word anyway, So Letia obviously
wanted to talk to Katie about the fact that she
like had full intent to not sleep with Grant until
(11:15):
fantasies until she was chosen at the end, if she
is chosen. And I would think that that was going
to be a religious thing. I thought was going to
be more. I thought she was going to say more
so like we may not have sex soal or married.
But that doesn't seem Likelytia's intention right now.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I mean, I think this is a very fair thing
for any contestant to request and to say and to
speak out. Uh, this is a weird week and it's
and it does frustrate me, not frustrate me. It is
kind of a stereotype of the week that this is
all about sex, and the truth is, when you're in it,
(11:55):
it's not It is a It is a reprieve from
the grind of the every day that has been your
life for three months. It is a really exciting week
to take a deep breath and just be you because
no matter who you are with, the cameras are going.
You recognize that there's a camera on you, and so
(12:18):
you can ask questions and say things that maybe you're
more nervous about. Maybe Grant can open up about his
dad a little bit more to her because the cameras
aren't there and he knows it's not going to be
displayed to national audience. Like, things like that are so
important this week, and so for her to say this,
it's not only fair, it's very understandable. It should not
(12:40):
be a conversation. I don't think of, Oh, this is
such an important piece though to us getting together. It's like,
give her a break. This is a weird week, man, Like, Yeah,
this is an odd scenario.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Although Zach didn't handle it well, it's probably a good
idea to not have sex the VI because it's probably
probably gonna create issues down the road, but you know,
every Yeah, so he had a he had he had
a good hope there or at.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Least ask for everybody's opinion, like maybe don't like make
make the decision on behalf of everybody, but say, yeah,
you know this is why. But okay, so Tia makes
it clear kind of her expectations. It does seem and
Astley tell me if I'm wrong to me right now
and the show is good at this, I get it.
(13:33):
It just feels like to me, Grant wants to choose Latia.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, So actually this was a This was a big
moment for me during the episode. This Latita's whole day
was the episode to me because she I did not
feel their connection as strongly as I usually do during
their date what was aired. I know that sounds crazy
(13:57):
because he ended the date with I love you, which
actually threw me off. I was like, wait, have I
been reading your body language wrong, sir, Because for the
first time I felt like Letia wasn't the front runner
until he said that, I thought that he he seemed
just bored behind the eyes. I don't know what it was.
His like light in his eyes when he normally looks
(14:19):
at her wasn't there. And my interpretation of that was
that he was thinking of Juliana during this day, and
like that he had switched and he was now very
connected to Juliana after their fantasy suite and after that
conversation that we saw, and then all of a sudden,
he says, I love you, and I go, whoops. Maybe
they were just showing me think like they were just
(14:39):
showing me body language from Grant that was throwing me off.
Maybe they did it intentionally. But yeah, he says, I
love you, which can only make her think she is
the one, And you'd really think that he was pretty
certain she was the one too, But we see you.
Of course next week he was absolutely not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Can I have my annual moment here? Can I take
my annual moment that I.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Give an annual moment?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Can I just again, for the tenth straight year, say
justice for me? I know, I know, I mean I
got absolutely blasted, blasted, and once they aired this for me,
I think every season since then has had a moment
(15:32):
like this. I know, like they've had this place where
they're like, I don't know what to do. This is
so hard. I've never dated thirty women at one time.
I don't know how to do it. Well, I don't
know what the right words to say are. I don't
know how to reassure but not give too much confidence.
I don't know how to say things but not lead
somebody on. I'm feeling this now, so let me express it,
(15:55):
even though I don't know if it's really true or
if how it's going to play out. It happens every year,
and somehow, somehow now it's just a thing. It's just
it's just the way.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
This shows go, the normal thing.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Really, but every year, I have to take that moment
and just get it out there because I'm selfish, I'm hurt. Ah,
I'm so affected by the response back then, people saying
that it was confusing, that it was mean, and I
(16:33):
just have to take this second and say once again,
I'll put my steak in the ground and say, look
at what's happening. I'm not alone.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You should feel all the vindication that you feel.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Thank you, Ashley. All Right, we can move on.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
We can move on.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But what was your interpretation of that date? Am I
being dramatic?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, you're not being dramatic. I think I saw it differently,
mostly after the tell All episode with Grant. I think
Grant is tired, and I think he's very over it.
I think he wants this to work still, and I
do think Grant has been a bachelor that has been
(17:16):
a good bachelor in the sense that he does want
this to work, and that is the most important item
that we need in a lead.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I though I said one bachelor didn't want it to work?
Was it Wan Pablo?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
There's been a few. I won't name names, but there's
a few that I know went into it going this
is just gonna be good for me. You can make
assumptions off of that. But I think he looks tired.
I think he looks over it. I think he looks frustrated.
I'm sure he's been frustrated just based on kind of
the things that he's wanted out of this experience that
(17:51):
he isn't getting. So when I see hit him and
Letia together, it isn't that he's not into her. I
think he he's just not into any of this anymore.
He doesn't. I'm gonna be very interested in the final
live show to see kind of his face, but maybe
it was just me.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, I think he's gonna be dreading the live show.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, sure, we all we all do. It's not fun.
So literally, you're roast.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
He might have the worst. Well, just he keeps teasing
that he might have the worst. He's the one that
says like everybody's gonna hate me or something in the tease.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, well it's not gonna be fun. I don't think
anybody looks at it and goes, this is gonna be
a great Maybe Joey did because he was still with
Kelsey and he's like, this is gonna be fine. Like
everybody and I, you know, get along.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But everybody loved him. Everybody was just like Joey does.
So I let you know that, like Robert Hart, but
I still love you. You're a great man.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Hope you guys make it work. So I just think
this isn't gonna be fun for granted, So I don't
I don't necessarily see the chemistry.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Side, Okay, I mean I might be being dramatic and
saying that for some reason, it just didn't feel the
same way it usually feels. And I was like, ah,
he's thinking about Juliana. Might be wrong. Okay, So he
obviously eliminates Zoe the least dramatic row ceremony of all time.
Could you imagine what they're when, you know how you
were just talking about the feeling of when the door
closes and you finally have alone time for the first time.
(19:11):
I'm imagining that, like the door closed. And then he
was like, oh, this is even more accord.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
With Yeah, he's like, hey, what do you want to do?
You want to do a puzzle.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
For two extremely hot people. It seems like they had
absolutely no physical chemistry too, but I can't even really imagine,
and they had to have some She had pain flown.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
In that room. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So last week when She's all Batch was on and
you were in DC, I did drop like a little
something something that we've been hearing, and that was that
there may be a coin toss at the end of
this that helps him in deciding who he's gonna pick.
(20:05):
We have no idea the legitimacy of this, Like somebody
told us this. A couple theories on the way that
this might go down, if indeed it is a thing. One,
I don't think it's a thing because or I don't
think it's a thing that they're gonna air because they
haven't teased it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
There's no way they hear it.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Oh, Okay, okay, if they.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Aired that, they might as well just then walk out
with the white flag and be like this has been
a fun twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
The show's done well, you know what, it's on its way.
So his minus will do it with a very hilarious moment,
I mean in hilarious to us and not hilarious to
these two women.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Or you just walk Chris Harrison out with the white
flag and say, hey, guys, I told you so.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
That be oh and then he'd be like Harrison out,
boom boom, that's really good. That's good to you, you too, Okay.
So yeah, I was gonna say one thing why. One
theory is that it happened and they're not gonna er
it because they if they were gonna er it, it
was gonna be teased all season long. All we were
gonna see was that like thumb go on poop in
(21:15):
every teaser. And then my second thing is like, well,
he does it, but they don't. They don't tease it
that he that they that he does it, and that
they don't actually air it, which is apparently yours. So
we'll actually never know whether it was a coin flip
or not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Maybe get him on an ask, he'll tell us I
don't think.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
He he's still happy with this girl?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, wait till like yeah, well, wait to say that
plays out?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The The other thing we have to talk about before
we wrap this ben is he says I love you Toltiya,
but we still think that he but he obviously is
so so torn next week that he obviously feels the
same way about Juliana. He's gonna probably end up saying
I love you to Juliana. I guess how how how
does one? How does it flip so fast? I guess
it does. I guess it flips. You keep saying that
(22:03):
it flips, so it can you can truly not know
until like a day or two before.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it flips as much as
you get some clarity or you start to do like
the pros and cons. I mean, this is such a
weird way to try to find a forever partner that
you do things and think through things that you would
never do in a natural, healthy relationship. You literally are
(22:29):
comparing two people and you're saying, what's the pros and
what's the cons to each? And I get to choose
it's not healthy, it's not I would say, it's very
rare that when you're this conflicted, it's gonna end up
working afterwards, which is.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Why it really hasn't worked many times.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
That's what I'm saying. And so if I had to
pay a place of back, I don't know who he's with,
and I wish Grant the best I do. I want
him happy. I want whoever he's with happy. That's not
the point here. I would just say if I was
a betting and I would say this relationship probably isn't
either working right now or it's on its way to
not be working, because it affects both people very deeply,
(23:10):
and it isn't the healthiest way to kick off something
new and fresh. If we look back in Bachelor history,
the ones that have made it work are the ones
that it was pretty clear outside of Desire and Chris.
But I still think it was clearer than what the
show led on there. Yeah, I think it was a
lot clearer to them. So that's my thoughts, Ashley. The
(23:30):
previews for the rest of the season are emotional, They're dramatic,
like always. I do think, if anything, if you're listening
to this and you haven't watched any of Grant's season.
Yet I understand I'm not gonna shame watch like watch
shame you or whatever. I would say. Tune into the
final episode because I think, no matter what, it's going
(23:50):
to be entertaining and it's going to be truly one
of the most dramatic endings we've ever seen in Bachelor history.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I agree, for one of the weakest seasons, sorry, guys,
I do think that the finale will be one of
the more compelling ones because Oh, he really doesn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't think he knows, and I don't think he
has a great path to knowing. And that's how we're
gonna end this. We're gonna be back breaking down. Obviously,
the rest of the season, it hasn't been a season
that we would say was a home run. It hasn't
been one that we've been on our edge of the seat,
on the edge of our seats for. But I do
think if you haven't watched all season, tune into the
final episode next week. It's going to be something that
(24:37):
is talked about, that is memorable and that probably makes
you a little squeamish and awkward. I would expect this
episode to have all the goods in it better because
I do know this. The show has enough content from
this week to make it really good. It just matters
(24:59):
how it shown.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
And my final thought is that I think that he's
not going to say I love you Juliana until the altar,
as in, you know, the final roles alter.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, wherever that says. This has been Almost Famous podcast.
We're gonna be back next week with another breakdown of
Grant season. We also have some great content coming your
way throughout the week, so make sure you tune into
our feed, rate and review us, give us really great comments.
We're trying our best here. Until next time, I've been.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Ben, I've Been Ashley. See you guys.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
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