How to DESTROY a Franchise: Mad Max & Matt Barnes on Kings, Bucks & NFL Chaos

Mad Max is back and he's not holding back.

 Max unleashes on the Bucks' disrespectful treatment of Giannis, shares hilarious behind-the-scenes stories about Chris Webber crashing at his spot in Sacramento, and breaking down why the Kings franchise continues to disappoint Matt's hometown.

Then, NFL legend Jake Plummer and former Broncos WR Nate Jackson join to discuss the Patriots' Super Bowl run, the 49ers' bizarre injury epidemic conspiracy, and what it takes to survive championship-level football.

From NBA trade deadline chaos to NFL playoff intensity, this episode brings unfiltered smoke from legends who've lived it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Unplugged. Before we get into a little
bit of football and basketball this show, I want to
start with my hometown team, the Sacramento Kings, who've lost
five straight games. According to a reporter close to the team,
the team, the team could attempt a full blown fire

(00:20):
sale approaching the trade deadline, so Bonus, Levine, derosden Ellis, Malik, Monk,
Schroeder all reported available. And I just want to take
this opportunity to kind of reflect on what it's been
like to be a fan of the Kings for a
long time. I mean, you know, rarely do you get
a chance to be a fan of a team and

(00:41):
play for that team, particularly at being your hometown team.
I got a chance to play for Sack for two
different stints, and both of them unfortunately just winning starts
at the top. And you can tell, you know, particularly
in my second stint, just what kind of mess it
was from the management side. It wasn't long ago twenty

(01:05):
twenty three. I came back around. I was actually getting
a chance to do some TV for NBC in the
Kings and Light the Beam had tooken the league by
storm first time back in the playoffs, and I think
it was sixteen years at the time, if I'm not mistaken,
lost to the Warriors in Game seven when Steph went crazy,
but the city was on fire. There was a lot

(01:27):
of hope with Thearon Fox and some Bonus and what
they were able to do after that big trade that
got sent Haliburton to Indiana and so Bonus to Sacramento.
But nearly two seasons later, we look at it and
it's an empty shell of the momentum they had kind
of built with that roster. Two of the main characters,

(01:49):
Dearon Fox is now in San Antonio, the starting point
guard for the number two seed in the Western Conference,
and then Mike Brown signed a good deal to be
the head coach of the Knicks, who are now the
third seed in the Eastern Conference. Both had actually signed
extensions before they left. This current season, the Kings are
twenty ninth in net rating, twenty ninth in offense, and

(02:11):
twenty eighth in defense. And the league where teams do
everything they can to tank, it seems like that the
Kings accidentally tank often. They signed Keegan Murray, someone who
was really high on I got to see his rookie
year and thought that this guy could be one of
the best two way players in the game, and I
haven't seen that jump in his game. But nevertheless, last

(02:34):
season they signed him to a five year, one hundred
and forty million dollars extension and he's shooting a career
low twenty seven percent from the free point line. This year.
They took some bets, and I love Zach Levine, but
Zach Levine's contract was structured so bad that some teams
stayed away from they tried that. You gotta keep in

(02:54):
mind the Bulls tried to trade him for two or
three years, and he just had one of those contracts
the teams didn't want to touch. But the Kings took
that fifty million per year and brought that in. They
have some bonus signed through twenty twenty eight for forty
five million a year. Picked up Russ as a free
agent on the minimum earlier this season. I know, I
guess I speak to the fans when I say this

(03:15):
and the people around the team, because I know how passionate,
how knowledgeable, and how bad they want something to cheer for.
Being around that twenty twenty three run where although it
was only the first round, like the whole city was
different when the Kings were winning and it gave that
small town with not a ton of fun stuff to do,

(03:37):
like something to hang their hat on, and people were
proudly walking around. I felt good from my hometown. I'm
not gonna lie to you during that run, but it's
it's just been a tough run overall. Again, that one
season they caught lightning in a bottle and gave the
fans a lot of hope, but it's before that and
since then, it's just been nasty. It's it's, it's it's

(03:57):
almost torture to these Kings fans. Do they blow it up?
Do they fire management? Like? What do they do? Obviously
they have some new people making decisions now that have
to make some really big decisions. Let's take a look
at what this team's done as far as drafting, and
I feel small market teams your ability to draft and
make strategic trades are important because, respectfully, Sacramento was not

(04:22):
a free agent destination. Guys aren't gonna just say, hey,
I want to go to Sacramento. You have to draft
well and you have to be able to strategically trade well.
But over the last ten more than ten years, I mean,
this is dating back to twenty eleven. Twenty eleven, they
picked Jimmy Furdett with the tenth pick. The next pick
was Klay Thompson, and three picks after that was Kawhi Leonard.

(04:45):
Twenty twelve, they picked Thomas Robinson with the fifth pick.
The next pick was Damian Lillard. In twenty eighteen, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm bringing this up. Twenty eighteen, they drafted
Marvin Bagley number two, the next pick Luca the Don
and the two good picks they did make Fox and Halliburton.

(05:06):
They end up trading Halliburton for the bonus, and then
they end up trading dearon Fox, who both have been
All Stars. Halliburton, before getting hurt, had taken his team
to the finals. So when they do actually draft good players,
they don't keep them. Briefly, Pete della Sandro made a
pit stop twenty thirteen to fifteen where he brought in

(05:28):
Mike Malone, someone who I remember a former teammate of mine.
DeMarcus Cousin absolutely loved and keep in mind too when
they had Boogie, and I don't think Boogie gets to
love and respect he deserves, but because he was one
of the best sinners in the game, most skilled sinners
we've ever seen. He has seven coaches in eight seasons. Like,

(05:49):
how are you supposed to build? How are you supposed
to win with any of that? I hope you guys
don't take this as I'm taking a dig at my team.
It's or excuse me, my hometown team. It's just more
for the fans. You know a lot of the fans.
I you know, I've been there since I was eight
or nine years old, so again, I know how passionate

(06:09):
they are, how much the Kings mean to them, and
how much they deserve a good team. So it'll be
interesting to see what management can do. Nobody is untouchable.
My god, Doug Christy has has been trying to work
with what he can work with. It's going to be
really interesting to see what the Kings do with some
new decision makers that are in the in the front

(06:30):
office up there. But I wish them the best. I
will you know. I'm praying for you fans that you know,
within the next two or three years that this management
can give you guys something to cheer and smile about again.
But without further ado, let me welcome my friends. Someone
who actually plays Max. I didn't know you had to
breech Stinton Sun. Yeah, but welcome to the show, Mad Max. Max.

(06:51):
I just want to I don't know where I was.
I was somewhere and two ladies and a guy came
up to me and told me how much they love
old Max. We love when you guys have Max on.
He's so funny, one of us. He's so hands like Max.
They still loving Max out there. Man, what is Max?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't know, man, God damn, I don't know what
the fuck it is.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Max, crazy Max.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Let me tell you, man, but one thing, Man, everywhere
I go, well, I'm telling this because of this show.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right here, all the smoke. Man, I can't go nowhere.
Why I ain't been nowhere last fo five days? I
can't go nowhere.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
If you think about it, it was literally it was
really like I mean it was. We're two weeks away
from a year ago. This ship happened at all Start
in the bank. Yeah. I think we talked about this
last time, but in that year Max is back. I
love to see it.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Man, no doubt, Mat, no doubt. So you got a
chance to play in Sack. You kind of heard my
opening about the Kings. You were there with j Will
and Vlodi and Web. What was that team like? That was? Man?
That was right before they really made that jump and
started contending in the Western Conference.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
We had a great year that year, Web.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
What year was it?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Ninety nine?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think Okay, I'm not I mean I think that's right.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, So we had a great year that year. Web
White Chocolate was a rookie. We had some good players
on the team, man, but they brought me off the
bench and me and John we had a good situation
over there.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
And was that John Barry with you? John Barry with me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
We made it to we made it to the first
round and we got to ask whooped by?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Utah may beat us? But but but to for the city?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Like you said, Man, the city is it ain't ship
out there to do like you said, goddamn, I mean
that's all they got. The home they had is fucking
that's their Sacramento Kings. Man, they gotta do better. But
they got to blow that ship up.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
This they gonna they.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Gotta blow it up.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
They gotta blow this ship up because you know what,
it starts from the mother fucking the top.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
When you get motherfuckers up at the top, don't know
what the fuck they do it, then that's what you
get this ship. What you seeing right now?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I mean, I still got to go around there. Yeah,
I know I'm true.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Just speaking, man, I'm just speaking to you.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm gonna speak.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I speak for you there, goddamn it.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
So yeah, so but now, but now they gotta it
starts at the top. And once you got that bad
ship at the top, man, you're gonna get this bad
ship at the bottom down there with the kids are
playing ball, trying to do what they really want to
do and have a good livelihood. But man, but you
got to blow that ship up. Man, they gotta they

(09:50):
got a lot of value now they can, they can.
I mean, just just just tank the fucking season. The
season's over, Okay, get rid of them guys that y'all
can trade and get up for.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Get them draft picks. Man, get you got.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You gotta go back on almost the okay, see route,
you know where. You gotta get get rid of what
you got, and it's gonna get uglier before it gets better.
But play for the future. But they got real quick
before great fan bets.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know, I mean we got to get to them
something to.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Clap about, to knock them cow bells around. For what
was a young j Will like? And what was people
forgot because you played with Web before he got had
any knee issues too, Like how tough with se Web
and how cold was a young j Will ship?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sea Web?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Man?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
He was. He's one of the best.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Uh, I mean you got I got a large one.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I got Iverson, I got Sea Web. That's what I got.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Man, the best players I ever played with in the NBA. Man,
I'm telling you, man, s Web was. I mean he
oh my goodness, man, he was unstoppable that year. Man,
I mean, motherfucker. I mean I mean double double, triple double.
I mean he did it all man for us. He
made our team go now and that was my guy.
But the funny story about sea Web too, So see

(11:16):
where this motherfucker he goes out and buy you know
how you you rich motherfuckers like to go out and
get their big ass houses all outside.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
In the suburbs and shit.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
So he go out and get a big ass house
over there in the suburbs. I'm living right over there
across the street. I'm looking at the motherfucker you know Field,
I'm looking. I'm in one of them damn condos across
the street.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm living right.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Over where was where was living differently out there?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, he was living there. He living too extravagance. I
told him, you ain't have to do all that. You
don't do all that. So I'm living right across the street.
So bocal Storia. The motherfucker ended up living with me. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, he was like he couldn't because you gotta understand.
We was up doing our thing at night.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
As you should be.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
And then the next day you think this nigga want
to drive way.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Forty five forty five minutes the backside of Rose way back.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh get he was at my crib every night. I
had my peoples whipping it up for us. My people
was making the dinner for us and Ship, and I
was sitting there doing what we do, bacon bacon and
eating and talking Ship.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
And playing video games.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I don't play the game, jay, will you, you know,
just having fun.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I used to webs where wanted to fuck me up?
When I was because I played Where was my big homie?
So I used to every summer from U C l A,
I'll go home and fucking Webb and j Will and
miking them. But I used to whoop Webbs ass and Madden,
and looking back on that as an older I was
an asshole because I would talk so much ship, Oh
my god, and we was playing big money. I was

(12:57):
beating the breaks of that.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Your motherfucking assay changed. Still, that's all you motherfucking that
to you talking about Man, I love it.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I want it because I love you.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I love you too.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, but I mean to your point, you know, we
just hope that they can get it together and put
it together at the trade deadline coming up February fifth.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Out of there, Sacramento, get them guys out of there
and get.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Some guy Max speaking of starting over and kind of
building a team from scratch, which we feel Sacramento should. Okay, see,
is it time for them too? And and and again,
not to jump to conclusions, but a lot of young assets,
a lot of guys that are they're not going to
be able to keep at some point. Do you see

(13:48):
them putting some young pieces and some some picks together, uh,
and going out and making any kind of surprising deal
before the deadline.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean they got a lot of ass.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I mean, I get rid of some of them motherfuckers,
you know what I mean, because I mean, I mean
to tell you the truth, no, just to be honest
and true with you, man, Because they got some players
that a lot I mean that can can go and
help other teams. And I mean, so I mean, so
you gotta you gotta get rid of them guys and
then better your team, because I don't think I mean

(14:23):
they okay, ain't been playing the same way that this
year they I mean, and I get it.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I just think they came back down to earth.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, that championship ship and all these everybody in your
ear and ship talking that ship, because that's what happened
to us, you know that that coming back to second
year too, when we won that, we was like.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
It was like a sixth seed of top type ship
like that.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So but yeah, man, they got to just continue to
like I think, they got to get rid of some
of them motherfuckers, like I mean, I mean to make
them better. I mean that they put some more life
back in these motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well to this upcoming draft, they have the Clippers unprotected pick,
which the Clippers are fucking up because they're playing well
right now. The Utah Jazz top eight protected pick in
the Houston Rockets top four protected picks, so they could
possibly have two top ten picks. Oh no, not the
Rockets aren't going to be that low, but one top
ten pick in the next draft. Twenty twenty seven, they

(15:24):
got a pick swap with the Clippers, a Nuggets top
five protected pick, also a top five protected in twenty
eight and twenty nine, the Spurs top sixteen protected pick,
which converts into two twenty twenty seven second rounds if
it doesn't convey, So they got stuff to play with.
Twenty twenty eight, you got first round picks and a

(15:47):
pick swap with the Mavericks and the second round picks
from the Bucks in Jazz, so they have a ton
of just draft capital. There are some big names that
are rumored to be in the win, whether that's John Morant,
uh Jannis zion, cat A, d Embiid Kawhi. I don't

(16:08):
see Kawhi.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Going anything anywhere either.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
But all the mother motherfuckers, all the mother motherfuckers, they
need to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Every fresh starts. Did you get a chance to see
Did you get a chance to see Zion go at
Wimby the other night.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes, oh boy, oh boy, yeah, oh boy, yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
If he can ever get that back, If he can ever,
I wouldn't get his mind right. His mind right. He
shows you flashes of why you can't give up on him.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
They're gonna put his hands fray next.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Week, dream you stupid. He's such an extreme talent.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Fucking pull his hands fraying next week. They're gonna be
out for fucking six weeks. So what are we talking?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Zion ain't gonna do nothing, man, He's just I mean,
I'm I was happy for him when he did that
man the other night.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Man, But Zion might be taking down too much. He
might have to. He might have to keep his keep
his meeting his pay.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Keep them Johnson, Yeah, keep that Johnson.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, we keep hearing all they say that boy, that
boy is wild.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Like that Johnson, like that Johnson.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
As he should for a young fella. Man. We got
we gotta see bro in the court because when you
watch and I didn't get a chance to see the
whole game. I only saw the second half, Like when
you get a chance to see in his element.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, he is one of the best. I mean, but
he's gonna be hurt next week though.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Stupid at A Joe, Jannis Zion, cat A D. We
both agree that Embiid and Kawhi probably aren't going anywhere.
Who would you like to see moved? Obviously, we've talked
a lot about job possibly moving Jannis cat A d
Zion and that the fresh Start.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's two motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
First of all, let's get Giannis out that motherfucker man. Man,
that's some bullshit they putting that kid through. Man, that's
all all the ship that man done did for that
goddamn little bullshit ass motherfucker city Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I can't stand you, motherfuckers. I'm mad. I don't like
Milwaukee no more, neither motherfuck Milwaukeer.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I ain't never did nothing up there but go on
the backside of eat that soul food, y'all.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Motherfuckers, y'all know that soul good restaurant on the backside
of I can't remember that. I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I don't want to remember that, mother because I don't
want to get no.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
But but fuck that.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
What they doing Giannie is fucked up. Though I don't
like it. It's disrespectful you. I mean because Joannis donet
give y'all all they can give y'all. It's time for
John to get the fuck out of there.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Man, he's just got a nigga. Sign that motherfucker's ship
and say, niggas trade me.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You can trade me.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta all saying you can't trade nigga.
You better sign that motherfucker. Get the hell out of
the boy. You look bad after you look like ship.
Get the fuck out of there and get my nigga job.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Get job out of the motherfucking god damn Memphis, cause John.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Don't even want to play. Job went over the goddamn
I don't know what it.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Was in China, Hong Kong, uh, one of them down,
one of them that was okay, Germany.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
He was over to Germany.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
My goddamn, I.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Get more love over here and made me want to
come out hand play and job played like we know
how job plays, you know, And then and I mean,
come on, man, if that takes what man, get job
out of Memphis.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Man, that man saying clearly he wants to fuck out,
get my nigga out of and and t get tea
out of there.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Job, get him out of there.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, they both need a fresh start. Giannis is out
four to six weeks with the right calf injury. Doc
Rivers said, there's no timetable for a return. You know
what scares me about this right here? Max? This is
his fourth calf injury and less than two years. But
hold on, man, Both calves have been injured. But we
know knock on wood calves lead to other things these days.

(20:06):
I don't even want to say it, but that that
that concerns me. And I'm not sure what it is.
Is that wearing tearror? Is it not?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
But Matt did the motherfucker look like something happened. But
I know a calf.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Injury can be like what they know, and he had
him before and I went to that motherfucker too. But
the man came in the interview at the end of
the game.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Did you hear what he said? He said, I'd probably
be back in March somewhere, Back in March somewhere, I said, March.
This motherfucker said March. I said, well, god damn, he.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Said he's gonna be probably It'll probably be back March
when I come.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
That's clearly what he said.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I heard the interview, So deal at my wrong am
I right and saying what the fuck I said? Because
I know, I know, I know I heard that. So
but that's crazy. So that man won't fuck out of it. Man,
get that man, Man sign that motherfucker thing. Say nope,
no clause trade shit. Man, Get the fuck out of there, man,

(21:07):
and get yourself back to playing the way you played.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Bro Bucks are currently eleventh in the East at eighteen
and twenty four. If Jannis comes back in four to
six weeks, it will be March. But if you're thinking strategy,
maybe they shut him down and have a shot at
this heavy, heavy draft that's coming up and able to
pair and get something for obviously Jannis, but there's a

(21:31):
lot of young talent coming in this draft with aj
and Darren Peterson and Cam Boozer and the boy from
North Carolina Max. If Jannie is up and out of here,
where would you like to see him land? The word
is it's possibly New York or California is where Jannis

(21:51):
possibly can land.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Probably the one of those markets, like that big city market.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, I said New Yorker, one of those l A teams.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I figured that.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, So that's what What about Janni's pairing up with
Steph for one last run for Steph.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Ship, John, I wouldn't do that ship.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Where are you going? Where you're going if you're honest.
I mean, let's say let's say that Golden State and
the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna stay with the nick
I'm gonna stay with the Knicks. They gotta they gotta
good towns out of that motherfucker. He got to go.
They gotta good out of it.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's a good replacement. They would love, they would love
he brought some and Janni's brought some property out there
with two summers ago or last, the Knicks would be
a good Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think he's gotta be a three team like trade
type ship. So make that happen, though, But I think
that would be great man. Put car Towns ass over
there to walk.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
The one guy I think that needs a fresh start
I think is Zion. I think Zion could use a
fresh start and kind of get out of hit the
old ways that have kind of hindered him up to
this point of his career. I mean, obviously, this guy
is tremendously talented. Injuries have played a role just that
organization as a whole. I know there's some good people

(23:22):
over there, but that haven't won in a long time.
Off the court, stuff has been loud for Zion, but
he showed the other night again when he is playing
the game he loves and playing the way he's capable,
he's one of the best players in the world. So
I don't know where a Zion will go, possibly a Chicago,
but I know there's a ton of teams that would

(23:44):
line up if they knew that they got that player
that they saw play the other night against wembyor Sanders.
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May since Drake will be playing in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Max thoughts congratulations to my young brothers.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Man.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm happy for him. Man. Maybe not.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Deserved it, but I mean, I mean, I appreciate the
homage that they showed a young fella though, because I.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Mean he did come in.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I mean, how many games did he play though, I mean, goddamn,
how many.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Gags did he played?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Seven or eight? Seven games? Seven, three and four, yeah,
three and four, two and eight when he didn't play.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
So, I mean, so come on.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
So, But I mean, I mean, I'm happy for him,
and I mean I love the Sander's family.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean shit, but I mean I'm happy. I mean
it's a blessing for him, you.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Know, just to you know why, I'm happy for him
from a standpoint of the way Stefanski try to dig
this ship. But also the NFL knows that schadors must
watch TV. Yeah, the numbers are crazy. I was hurrying
home from church. I'd go to the nine am session,
study eleven am session to watch Cleveland brown game. Who's

(25:00):
ever said that? Who's ever said that? And I remember then,
back when they had Bernie Kozar and they make it
like no one has ever said that they're going to
hurry home to watch the Browns game. So I love
the NOD. Obviously a tough first year for him, but
the NFL is not domb. They know that having him
in the game is going to bring some more eyeballs

(25:22):
to their Pro Bowl. Max, thank you for your time.
Hold the funk up stress them arms out, cam, hold
the camera. It's time for Max to shot.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Hold the fuck up stress my oms.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah there you go. Yeah are you gonna are you
gonna start with the sit up?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
So?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay with so make sure you got that cam. You
got some hold up?

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Hey, Max Max Max bet is the bat.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I know I got you. I got you. Hold up, Okay,
I'm gonna do it all.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Hold up, here comes the bullshit. But go ahead, I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Can old sixty old nigga just do twenty five cushes
and twenty five cushes.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
You can do twenty five cush ups and twenty five
sit ups and then give.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Me ten do fifty setups and twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
What you want me to do?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Max? That's too that's too easy, man.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
What you want?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Max? That's too easy? You want to You're sixty sixty
and I know your body's been through a lot. So
I'm gonna give you this woman, give you that. Take
it a let's go, I take it. I take twenty
cush ups, twenty sit ups, and then twenty cush ups
and twenty set ups. When you get to l A
and I'm cutting ten off of both.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm gonna do it, doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Let's go. Yeah, you and what is said, and keep
it and you and and you keep fifty. I just
want to cush ups and sit up.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
They're gonna give my money back?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, my dog, Yeah for that ship. Yeah, this ship.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Never give myself. Yeah, I'm finna get ready to do
it thing. I gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
I'm finna do it one two.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, you could have easily did fifty. Max. You've
been bullshit with I told you, yeah, you ain't shape
Max after funk, I'm talking about Max. Moving on to
some football. The super Bowl is set. It's gonna be
in the Bay, but my team won't be in it.
But we have another NFC representative. We got the Seahawks

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taking on the Patriots. And to help me discuss this,
I got my man, Jake the Snake Plumber and his
partner Nate Jackson. First of all, fellas, congratulations on the
pod House. How's pod life treating you guys? Not bad?

Speaker 4 (27:46):
It's been fun.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
With the Broncos, it was a great year. They were winning,
so you know, everything's good when you're winning.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Right, Yeah, we're trying to be like you guys. Man.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, you know there's conversations that people want to hear,
right that you don't get on ESPN, that you don't
get Sports Center that we can have and and you
know articulate some of the things that guys go through.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
So, uh, you guys leading the way man, Man I
appreciate that, and yeah, best of luck with that. Let's
get thoughts. Let's let's talk about this game a little bit.
What did you see that stood out and anyone could
take it in the NFC and the AFC title games,
players defenses? What stood out to you guys? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (28:22):
So for me, I mean, uh that that game here
in Denver was crazy. Whether the Broncos had an opportunity
to win that game. The New England Patriots had a
pretty easy schedule all year long. You know, they were
able to kind of I wouldn't say skate on into
where they are, but they came into Denver the number
two seed, and you know, they didn't play that awesome
in the game, to be honest, like they're they're front

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seven on defense, kind of manhandled the Broncos offensive line.
But there were plays to be made out there, and
the Broncos just couldn't figure out how to make them.
The Broncos had like a lot of good luck all
season long, won a bunch of fourth quarter comeback victories,
a ton of magic, and then bow Knicks gets hurt
and then the backups in Jared Stidham and they just
couldn't really rally around him offensively. The weather rolled in,

(29:03):
the snow got kind of crazy down there, and the
New England Patriots just didn't make the mistakes right that
the Broncos made. At the end of the game, we
were able to walk away with a win. I think
it's gonna be hard for them, though, face it off
against Seattle. You mentioned it, like the NFC West is
crazy and Seattle looks like untouchable right now. The Rams
game of good shot though, didn't they But the Seahawks
are just scary. Their defense is scary. Sam Donald's playing good.

(29:26):
They got some crazy weapons on offense. But but yeah,
I don't know if that Super Bowl is gonna be
very close personally.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Jake as a quarterback and someone who kind of has
to navigate all types of climates and whatever's thrown ass,
you have to navigate that. Those are two cold weather games,
particularly the Denver game. How does your game plan change,
particularly for a younger quarterback like a Drake May when
those kind of that kind of weather is the main

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state within the game.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, I mean, you saw the Patriots go to the
run in the second half. They actually had a pretty
effective run game. It kept them in decent third down
situations a few times, allowing you know, the one game
clincher that Drake made some big plays with his legs,
especially late that last one as a quarterback. Though the weather,
I mean, we're both dealing with it on both sides

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of the field. I played in really only really one
downpour of snow, and I was worried, thinking, oh no,
it's gonna be snowy and horrible. But it was actually dry,
the ball didn't get wet as opposed to the rain,
and we had fun. It was a Raiders game. We
lost that game, but it was so much fun playing
in the snow. This game, with the snow and the wind,

(30:36):
it definitely dictated what they were doing offensively and with
the With the Broncos, their run game this year really
was bo Nicks. They didn't have a real consistent ground
game where they could impose their will and just move
the opposing defense, get three, four, five yards and stay
on schedule. A lot of their rushing and running game
came from Bow's legs and when he's gone, Stidham no

(30:58):
offense to him. He just wasn't Bow as far as
athletically and not able to go get those real crucial
yards even though he had a pretty big scramble late
before they missed that field goal. But we saw, you know,
what Drake May did was was really he didn't look
great like an MVP to me, even throwing the ball,
but what he did with his legs and stepping up
at the right time was huge for his team because

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limits what you can do. When the weather gets that bad.
You want to throw the ball deep and you say,
let's do it, but see what happens the ball is underthrown.
Guys aren't ready for it. It just changes everything and
I think you can get you can over coach too
much when the weather changes, instead of just going back
to what you do well and just saying this is
basic stuff. Let's just do this. But that's usually a

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run game, and the Broncos, you know, we didn't really
do that all year, so it was hard for them
to find that in this moment when they needed it
the most.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Also, also with a snow, like you're running routes, if
you're a receiver a tight end, that snow kind of
packs into your cleats there and you don't have the
same kind of traction that you normally would. So you
see every time there's a TV timeout when it's stowing
like that. They were running on with the little scraper
things and all the guys were running up to the
things of scraping their feet on it, just trying to
get the snow off because you don't really realize you're
trying to run a sharp cut and you got snow

(32:08):
all packed into your cleats. You're gonna slide on that thing,
so the cuts aren't as sharp. There's not as much
separation from DB's on your route, so you got to
go get that thing. You got to body him up,
and you got to go get a rebound, and the
guy and the guys weren't really able to kind of
pull down those throws in those conditions.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I definitely got to say obviously, losing your quarterback going
into a championship game is never easy. And I became
a bow not that I wasn't a fan. I just
didn't know if how he played in college would translate,
but he was special this year. I didn't get a
chance to see a ton of Denver games, but whenever
I see the highlights and did tune into a few games,
you know, obviously always room to grow, but just very

(32:43):
impressive the way he's able to control that offense, so man,
I wish him a speedy recovery. We're here, Pats Seahawks.
Who were you guys looking to stand out, whether it
be offense or defense, And let me get your guys' predictions.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Man, I'm going, like Nate alluded to it earlier, from
what I saw when the weather was good, I don't
think there's gonna be much of a chance to beat
the Seahawks right now. They're they're rolling on offense, Clint Kubiak,
who's just a kid, Gary Kubiak's son. They're running a
pretty diverse offense with Darnold is feeling comfortable going through

(33:17):
progressions and and and when he throws the ball, even
if it's not accurate, those guys on that his playmakers
are coming down with it. Those the weapons he has
on that offense. Uh, there's five or six dudes that
want the ball and not just want it, but what
they do afterwards is really what's special about that that unit.
And I don't think, you know, with Seattle's strengthen their defense,
I think they're gonna get after Drake. I don't think

(33:39):
this is gonna be a close Super Bowl. I think
Seahawks role on these guys, and uh, you know, I've
got extra momentum motivation too. I've played against Rabel in
Ohio State when they beat us in the Rose Bowl.
Had a little altercation with him in in an All
Star Shrine game where where he tried to kind of
tried to hurt me in a game like that, And
I have an opinion of him that I won't go

(33:59):
too in depth, but mind seeing them get their asses
kicked tones, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
Yeah, you got to give some props to New England
for getting in this position. Obviously, they're a good football
team to be able to make it to the Super Bowl,
but I don't think they're going to be able to
handle Seattle. I mean the defense I saw from the
New England Patriots a couple of days ago here, granted
it was in the snowstorm, and uh, but the Broncos
that that that offense is not going to put up
enough points in the Super Bowl to match what the

(34:27):
Seattle offense is going to do to that defense. There
was a lot of room on the field against that
Patriots defense that the Broncos weren't able to take advantage of.
Partly because of the conditions, but partly because their personnel
and Seattle doesn't have that problem. It's not gonna be weather,
you know, in the Bay, It's probably gonna be fine,
could be rained, but it ain't gonna be snowy and
cold like that. But the skill position players, the guys

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they have to go make plays, and also the running
game they have they commit to the running game, and
so the play action pass just opens up. And so
that's what you see all this room and Sam Donald
being able to stand back there and dial because the
running game is so effective that the defense is ready
for that, and all of a sudden, No, nope, it's
a pass. They're out of position and guys are getting beat.
So you guys gonna you see guys running free. I
think Seattle is just, you.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Know, too tough. They had it.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
They beat the Niners. Is the Niners your team? Matt, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean I was we were playing. We were playing
with house money though, we were were Yeah you playing
with house money. Yeah, you're right, But I'm sure you
had hope going into that game, and I did too. Hey,
maybe they can get it done. They got the mojo,
they got the magic not forty one to six.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It was ugly, right, and then the Rancourt. We scored
more points this game though, than we did the game
before against them.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Right.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
It just shows you how good that defense is to
be able to stifle a Kyle Shanahan offense like that. Right,
and the Rams, who were the kind of the front
runners all season, couldn't get it done either. I think
Seattle's gonna gonna run away with this thing.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Probably.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
I would say thirty four seventeen something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Jake, tell me what you liked about kind of Sam
Darnell coming into his own someone who's bounced around a
little bit. Uh, see, guys, so I got a chance
to see him in college. But he's had a hell
of a season. What if you liked about the step
he's made this season?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
I just love that. I mean, he's he's been through it,
you know, so there's nothing that is gonna get him down.
He's been through tons of adversity, he's been on multiple teams.
When you get to to run the offense that I'm
watching them run at Seattle, it's very reminiscent of what
we did here with with Gary Kubiak as the offensive coordinator,
when I came in here for three years, man, we
were a machine. In that third year, we were damn

(36:28):
near unstoppable. We could do whatever we wanted, running it,
play action, deep balls, quick throws. That West Coast offense
was amazing. So his son, Clinton has definitely evolved and
kept some of that along with his own creativity, and
he's putting Sam in position to do with. Sam does well.
And Sam's a very good thrower and in fact, sometimes

(36:49):
it reminds me of myself because there's no play he
doesn't think he can make, you know, And even in
the game against the LA he put a couple of
balls into some double coverage when he probably, oh, don't
throw that, But that's just him wanting to plays doing
his thing. When you have the weapons like he has
around it, it's it's it's absolutely paramount that he is
fearless because you count on those guys out there to

(37:11):
make your fifty to fifty ball become, you know, an
eighty twenty ball or a ninety ten ball, like, Okay,
I trust my guys. I'm gonna put it out there
because they want it just as bad as everybody else.
And really really nice to see him have success I
loved him in college. I think he's definitely settled into
a great pocket passer. And don't don't forget his mobility, man,

(37:32):
Like he can move ye yep, going on the run,
getting out of the pocket like that's that's that one
more aspect that this big stage like the super Bowl,
you know, watch out. He could have some really huge
plays with his legs too.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Absolutely, Sam Darnold twenty eight and six over the last
two seasons. That's the most win by any quarterback. Wow. Yeah,
it shows you, man.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Like a lot of times, these quarterbacks they get drafted
real high, they have a couple of tough years.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
They get written off.

Speaker 6 (37:59):
You know, people are like, ah, these guys, they're never
going to be any good. They get moved. Well, Sam
Donold's been resilient. It just shows you what kind of
guy he is. Right, He's been through the adversity, He's
been written off, He's bounced around to multiple teams. He
did get to spend a year under coach Shanahan right
with the Niners and kind of understand how to process
things and set things up and move guys with your
eyes and be patient and learn how to read defenses

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like Jake knows a lot better than I do about that.
But but yeah, man, I mean and as a you know,
as a guy on that team, you see a leader
like that who's been through it, who's who's who's you know,
walked through the fire, who's faced adversity and is now
standing there in front of you guys dealing like that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
It's inspiring for everyone.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
It doesn't always have to start off perfect in your career,
but you stick with it, and especially for quarterback, there's
so many compartments you got to master to be good
at the position.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Absolutely, yeah, I mean Bo has like had two years
of amazing you know, so this is adversity for him
to be injured, you know, like this is his first
real like oh my goodness. But but you alluded to it.
It's like his team loves him and QB number one.
You got to be a guy with your guys. You
got to be right in the midst of it and

(39:08):
still be that man that's number two in the organization,
but be able to sit and relate to the whole team.
And that's what Sam's doing and that's what Bo's done,
and the good ones do it well.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
I ard Tom Brady talking about this He's like, yeah,
you know, like your offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
You know they're driving trucks and stuff. You gotta drive
a truck.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
You know, you can't come in and driving Lamborghini. You
gotta be like those guys. You gotta eat what those
guys eat. You gotta be one of the dudes. Even
though you're not getting paid like one of the dudes.
You got to be one of the dudes. And I
think if you do that, you adopt that, it actually
pays dividends.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Jake, another big story, whether it be story conspiracy. Obviously
the Niners were hit with the injury bug this season,
and a lot of conspiracies going around, whether it's the
training staff, the strength coaches, or the electrical substation next
to the practice field and the stadium. Obviously, you're a

(40:01):
huge health and wellness guy and mind, body and spirit
or something. You definitely embody. What is your take on
why we keep dropping like flies over there in Santa Clara?

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah, I don't know, man, it's got injuries. I just
was thinking it was football because it's a physical sport
and guys, you know you're getting hit, You're getting you know,
piles of seven eight nine huge dudes landing on each other,
and most of the time everybody jumps up and runs off.
And you know, we watch the game usually behind you know,
on our couch and a TV, or when you're at

(40:33):
the game in the stands, But when you get down
on the field, if you ever have the chance to
stand on a kick return and watch twenty two dudes,
just or twenty one, because a kicker doesn't really go
down there, but come running towards each other and just
and then they all jump up and run off. It's amazing.
Guys aren't hurt more often.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
And so yeah, the injury bug is uh, it sucks, man,
it really is hard. But but good teams find ways
to to, you know, replace those guys. I mean, the
Broncos did it all year. They had their number one
player in defense, Sir Tan, go out for four weeks
and they had a guy come in, Abrams Drain that
came in and played really well. They had multiple positions

(41:11):
where guys got hurt. And that's great coaching. That's having
guys prepared, that's having the right kind of guys that
are fine to sit the bench to wait for their opportunity.
But why is there so many injuries. You know, I
don't know. I mean they they got to look at that.
They got to understand, like they've made the changes for
these guys to succeed and be as healthy as possible.
It wasn't like when we reported to camp and had

(41:33):
two a days and had to run conditioning tests and
now all of a sudden, you got guys with tight
hammies pulling hammies and for what to prove you prepared
during the offseason. They've changed this completely. They they're so
focused on rest and recovery and performance that the injury
bug is I mean a kid go back, could go
back to just some bad mojo hanging around the organization,

(41:56):
Like talk to like the previous owners. What kind of
karma do they have hanging out? Because I believe in that,
you know, I believe that, you know, certain organizations that
don't win consistently or they have stuff like this pop
up could be something they're not doing right. You know,
there's something that they've done wrong in the past.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
So what you're saying the Niners have bad mojo, bro,
they've been really the football guys aren't messing with us.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
They could be or it could just be you know,
guys not taking care of business, you know, or it
could be the superstars.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
There's also some really important players on the team, Fred
Warner and a soft tissue and you know, I read
the same thing you did about the electromagnetic waves and
how it degrades soft tissue into you know, ligaments, muscles
and things in your And it is right across the
street from where they practice every day. But there's also
like how do you practice, how fast do you practice?
What's your like routine through throughout the week. Is it

(42:49):
better to rest or is it better to go hard
because then you prepare yourself to go hard in the game,
or is it you know, So it's a delicate balance
in these new athletes, Like they have a lot they
put like trackers and censers on them and they can
see how fast they're running during practice and how much
they're running, and if it's too much, they pull them out.
And so they're tracking everything. These guys are doing their
hydration levels. They got like these sweat bands on it

(43:10):
practice a training camp, and after your practice, they take
the sweat band off and they give it to the
trainers and they measure all these sweat things in the
bands and stuff like that. So it's very advanced how
they're trying to keep these guys healthy. But then some
teams just get hit with a bug and some teams don't.
And I think, you know you have there has to
be a symbiosis between the head coach and the training
staff and the strength and coach coaches, and so they're

(43:30):
all on the same page. Sometimes when a coach has
been there for a while and he brings in a
new trainer or whatever, that can upset the balance a
little bit. That's happened here in Denver. Sean Payton has
been head coach of the Broncos, has been really good
about keeping guys healthy. And so they have a trainer here,
guy named Bo Lowry, who people love.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
And you know, what are their methods.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
I mean there's new there's new age methods that we
don't know what they're using, you know, So some guys
are getting stuck with needles to help out. There's some
drugs that are on the market off the market that
people take, PEP, Time's Recovery, HGA, all these cryout therapies, chambers,
red lasers, all this stuff. What works and what doesn't?
Do you do too much of it and then you
make yourself more susceptible. It's hard to tell, but the

(44:08):
Niners really got crushed.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Man and Bo Bo scrambled his ass off this year
and he runs one run to the left, gets tackled,
ankles broken. Shit happens on the field. I've had parents
and mothers. How can I make sure my son doesn't
get hurt or he's safe on the field. I'm like,
but don't play football. Don't let him play. You're gonna
get hurt. Be ready for your kid to come back

(44:30):
with a severe, serious injury at some point in his life.
If he's playing football. It's a rough ass sport, big
ass grown men hitting each other, and you're bound to
have injuries, and it sucks when it happens. It really
can can demoralize a team. But for them to go
as far as they did with all those injuries, it's
a It's a definite coaching staff is a good coaching staff.
There so good things in the future happening.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Obviously, we don't have a ton of time to get
in down this rabbit hole. But I think, Nate, everything
you touched on as far as just like the all
the goods it's in gadgets they have to read sweat
and fatigue and all this kind of stuff. I almost
I would love to just be around because I think,
obviously we're all coming from an older school where we
just killed ourselves in the preseason and then the season

(45:14):
was the prize. I think sometimes there's so much technology
that these guys possibly aren't training us. I don't blame
it on them, because they're following the technology that the
teams have them on, but in the offseason are they
kind of taking it a little too easy? For when
Because this happens to basketball too, so when the season comes,
like because basketball has had a ton of Achilles injuries
and acls, and obviously I think this newer generation of

(45:37):
athlete is getting hurt a lot more. I mean, you
can always pretty much count on back in the day
watching basketball that our stars were going to be there
during the playoffs and finals in the NFL, the stars
were there for the Super Bowl or the conference finals
in the in the Super Bowl, but it really seems
like now you really have to keep your fingers crossing
to your point, Jakes sports, you're gonna get hurt. But
I just wonder is there any science behind how hard

(46:01):
they're pushing their self in the off season compared to
when that that that the real season comes. Maybe their
body isn't ready for the wear and tear because they're
training a little differently in the off seasons.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
I think there's an art to that as a coach,
to figure out how far to push and then pull back.
You got your scientists pet telling you, you know, maybe
this guy should pull back, but you see that he
actually needs to keep going because he needs to work
on this or work on that. I think also like
the young, like when you're a kid, now you get
private coaching. They're coaching your technique. You're becoming a robot, right,

(46:33):
You're becoming as fast as technically proficient. But it's not
your natural body lean like. It's taking the personality out
of your own movement and teaching you how to do
it in an optimized way. But it puts your body
in compromising positions, you know what I mean. So so
all of a sudden, yeah I'm faster, Yeah I'm getting
it out of my breaks faster, but I'm also putting
more stress on my joints than I ever did before

(46:54):
when I didn't know how to run like that. You
know what I mean, so I think there's the technique
can put you in danger when you improve it. I mean,
I went from wide receiver to tight end. I had
to put on some weight to do it, and it
was a challenge, man, learning how to block these three
hundred pounds dues. I was telling you about Willie mcguinnis earlier.
I had to try to block that guy like I
was not. I was a wide receiver in in high
school and college. I can't block with Hi mcguinnis. The

(47:15):
only way I can do it is if I learned
these techniques and learn how to shape my body in
a way that's gonna do it. But my body don't
want to go that way, you know. And so and
so there was a lot of just like straining every
element of my body to do the thing I was
being asked to do that was putting me in peril.
Tore my hamstring off the bone, toward my growing off
the phone. Yeah, man, it was. It wasn't pretty. But

(47:36):
I think just to optimize technique stuff. And then yes,
some coaches just not working them hard enough. Sometimes you
got to develop that callus. You got to get ready
to hit. So a lot of coaches have these soft
training camps where we're gonna save it for the regular season. Well,
if these guys aren't ready to play in week one,
they're gonna get smashed. They're gonna get hurt because they're not,
they don't have that callous and they haven't you know,

(47:57):
prepared enough in training camp to get it done. And
I know back in the day, you know, they would
have six weeks of training camp, but these but these
guys would also have like be selling tires in the offseason,
like they weren't making enough money, they had to have
a second job. But they'd come in and get in
shape for six weeks and then go out there and
they'd be fine all season. Right, But the athletes bigger, faster, stronger,
So it makes it kind of complicated and a lot richer, Yeah,

(48:20):
a lot richer.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I have to say, Like, my off season didn't consist
of quarterbacking for four months getting ready to go play quarterback.
I jumped on my mountain bike, I played handball. I
did everything you could imagine away from football. And I
think today's athlete is so geared to like more is
better that I don't know how many of them actually
get away and do something different. Than you know, the

(48:43):
normal stuff to train for their position, and I think
that can create redundancy, that can create habits in your
body that you don't break. I would play hoops any
chance I could get in the offseason. That was my conditioning.
I mean I would run hoops and play and run,
and so my body was ready to cut and accelerate
and do these other things. Now it was just a
football was in my hand. So I think the specialization

(49:07):
and even just the training specialization where you're spending hours
after hour with your guru working on quarterbacking like man,
I didn't do any of that shit in summer.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Man.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
I was playing tennis, I was playing hoops. I was
riding my mountain bike. I was throwing frisbees, I was
climbing trees. I was doing all kinds of stuff clumb trees.
So diversification of your body so you're not just training
one thing I think could lead to some of this.
And it's not like the athletes now when you get
to the league. Yeah, you do need to focus. This
is happening with young kids. I meet them all the time.

(49:38):
What sports do you play? Oh? Football? Do you do
anything else? No, you don't play hoops or go play
tennis or anything, or ride your bike. Not really, oh
good luck, so good luck.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
There's also a funny thing Sean Payton said to a
couple of weeks ago, towards the end of the season.
He's talking about how guys don't really drink anymore. They
don't really go out, they don't like party, they don't
like you know, so guys don't get in trouble anymore.
They're taking care of their bodies, they're getting their rest,
they're doing the right thing, you know, they're not going
out getting caught on cell phones messing around. But at

(50:10):
the same time, like they live a different life. I
mean when I played, when we played, we.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Went out, we had fun. That was part of it, right,
I mean you got definitely part of it. Yes, that
was the point.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
That's why we worked so hard so we could do
that too.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
They don't. It's easier for them now because most of
the time we were going down party, we were hunting.
Now they don't have to hunt. With social media. Social media,
they can pull up in the city and know what
the play is before they put their little antenna's out.
But anyway, we could talk about this all day. The
NFL coaching carousel. A lot of guys are moving around.
Particularly want to touch on Mike Tomlin has stepped down

(50:48):
with the Steelers, and Mike McCarthy is in. Tomlin nineteen years,
two hundred and one and twenty six and two career record,
and then McCarthy's last stop with the Cowboys forty nine
and thirty five. Fellas, we don't see it in any
sport rarely anymore, when these coaches with this longevity. Tomlin
is one of the last of a dying breed. I

(51:10):
think all leagues recycle do coaches a lot faster. Now,
what are your guys' thoughts on Tomlin stepping down and
Mike McCarthy stepping in.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Tomlin's a great coach. I mean, he's been doing it,
you said, one of the longest tenured guys out there.
Will he go back to being a head coach somewhere
you know who knows. I'm sure he'll find a job.
McCarthy is interesting. He was. He was a guy I
got to know early in my career at the Senior Bowl.
He was on the Kansas City staff way back then,
and so it was cool to kind of hear see

(51:39):
his genius and his ability to coach and know the game,
and then to watch him go become a head coach.
It's funny when they get recycled. You know, I almost think,
you know, what, can't we get can't anybody come up
new with some new ideas. I mean, we got Shanahan's
kid doing successfully, and then everybody that coached under him,
and then Sean Payton comes and coaches here. It's not

(52:01):
easy being a head coach because there's more involved than
just x's and o's. You got to be a politician
and to some degree, so it takes a different sort
of man, a very type, a organized on it kind
of guy. So who knows, man, I wish some all success.
Who knows who Arizona's going to hire. Hopefully they can
find a way to win. But yeah, the coaching care

(52:22):
sales begun.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Yeah, we saw it with Josh McDaniels, an incredible coordinator,
came to the Broncos, was an awful head coach, got
another job as a coordinator, went to the Raiders as
a head coach, burned that place down. Now he's coordinating
in the Super Bowl with the Patriots. He's back doing
what he does well. But as far as being a
leader of men, doing what Jake just said, being the overseer,
the CEO who understands all the compartments, who can look

(52:44):
you in the eye and give you the bad news
if it's bad news, or give it to you straight,
or make those tough decisions. Some guys don't have that.
But at the same time, the guys like Tomlin and
when we were here Mike Shanahan. I was here when
Mike Shanahan got fired. He had been here for fourteen years.
Shocked all of us that he got fired. But sometimes
these coaches who have super long tenures, their message gets

(53:05):
a little stale. You kind of know what they're gonna say,
like they kind of you know. They don't connect with
the younger guys as well. It is a weird generation
now of younger dudes who are on some different shit right,
And so it's like a lot of time you see
a lot of these younger coaches getting hired because of that.
Like guys in the thirties, you can connect with it.
You got to be able to relate. I think you
said it perfect there.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
And again, you guys know the football side, I know
the basketball, but you have to relate to these younger
players because one, like I said earlier, it used to
be when we came in, the coach was to say
all be all his way or the highway. Now these
players in all these make too much money, so you're
you're talking to someone the wrong way, or you have
a funky couple week run, like, there's a possibility you

(53:46):
could be gone sooner than later. So I definitely think
being a leader of men one. But I think being
able to relate to this generation because you can't. You
can't yell and scream and cuss and have repetitive messages
the way they used to do us and the generations before.
This new generation does not having that shit. No.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yeah, it's fifty two to fifty three different personalities. Man,
you got to manage it well. And Sean Payton is
great because he's very into like the psychology behind things too,
so he's really good at at managing that. But you
got to have a leader. You got to have tone
setters on the team. You gotta have guys that set
down the precedent that the team follows. Because here in
the coach every day gets old. You got to have

(54:24):
leaders and quarterbacks and linebackers and badass mofos that set
down the what is going to happen on any good
championship team?

Speaker 6 (54:32):
Yeah, you saw with the Nuggets last year here when
Michael Malone getting fired, right, and then Adaman taking over.
Adam in a young cat who's like an assistant that
everyone liked and con vibe with, and Michael Malone won
them a championship a couple of years ago, and all
of a sudden he's.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Gone right right before a playoff run.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
And you do have Nicola Yogause, you do have leaders
in that locker room who can who can be the best?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Right? Yeah, give me five quarterbacks, you guys feel confident
that'll be in the mix next year to make a
run at the super Bowl. Five quarterbacks? Well, hard to say.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
And you know not to put in the guys who
were just doing it right now, like Sam Darnold and
Matt Stafford. If he's if he's still playing, playing at
a super high level. I don't know if Drake may
is going to continue to have the success he has.
We'll see what happens in the super Bowl there. Jake
and I were both, you know, not super impressible what
we saw from him on Sunday, but it was the
weather was kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I'm gonna say Bow nixt man.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
I think this this team is ready to continue doing
what they're doing on that side. And I think Josh Allen,
Josh Allen is still gonna be giving it the old
college try.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
He needs some pieces, he needs some pieces he does.
He does.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Same with bo Bow needs some pieces he does. But
I like, I really like Caleb Williams. I think that
that kid, he's a baller, he's a his team loves him.
He's got talent, arm talent, he can run. I really
like what I've seen from him and just a little
bit that I've watched. Uh, definitely a guy I'm gonna
keep eyes on moving forward because you get a guy

(56:02):
like that, it can build something pretty special, especially in
a town like Chicago. And the things he's saying and
how he says it, you know, post game it's all
about his team and like it's authentic. It seems to
be real from my viewpoint. So that with Josh Allen,
and I'm looking for Lamar Jackson to have a big
bounce back next year.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
You know, it's hard to not watch him in the
playoffs because the guy does stuff you do not see happen.
It's like watching Randall again.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I know you.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Randall was a guest on your Guy's show a while back. Man,
that guy's poster was on my wall. I just wanted
to be as athletic as that dude. And you got
a guy like Lamar that's doing stuff you've never seen
done before. It's hard when you don't get to see
him be on that stage. But he'll have a bounce
back next year. Watch out for the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Agreed. Agreed, Jakie, you're a pretty goddamn athletic yourself, though.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Yes, somewhat. I didn't get a chance to punt, though, Man,
I wish I could have.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
You know, it's like climbing trees.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I did punt one time. Jeff Fiegels got hurt my
rookie year, and my QB coaches like, weren't you an
all state punter in high school? I was like yeah,
He's like, well you could be our punter today. So
I went out and I was yanking on it, just
kicking it, and Jeff Fiagels is back there laughing. I said,
what are you laughing at? He goes, Man, you're gonna
be sore tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I was like or whatever.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I couldn't even walk the next day. Man, my whole
right side was killing me. But yeah, man, you got
to be an athlete to play quarterback. You gotta have
the best hands on the team. You got to be
the most athletic and maybe not the best at everything,
but you better be able to play some ping pong
and rally and be able to hold your own. That's
what they want to see, see if you can hold
your own.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You guys get a chance before we get out of here.
Did you guys get a chance to see that Lway documentary? Yeah?
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
It's really good.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
You gotta check that out, Nate. That shit was dope. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
I mean, like you know, being around here, being around
the team, talking about the team, you kind of start
to hear all those stories. But I got to check
it out and see him put it all together like that.
I mean, we all haven't seen an athlete like John Elway
come out, you know, number one draft pick and then
fulfill the prophecy like that, right, That rarely happens.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So, uh, he's a legend around here, man.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I mean when I first got here, I got traded
here from the Niners in the Middle training camp in
two thousand and three. And I rolled up to training
camp and there's this road called a Rapahole Road out here.
It has a bunch of car dealerships. And it was
John Elway Toyota John Lway for John Lwa Johnway everything here, man,
I mean, he is god around here. Peyton Manning tried

(58:31):
to come in and be like, what about me? So
they like Peyton too, and they're starting to start to
like bo and they love this guy too.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
But this is quarterback heaven here. But John Elway is
the king.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah. That that documentary was amazing just to I really
enjoyed watching him open up, you know, like to open
up and share stories, and even to see him tear up,
even though he fought it back. But to see, you know,
someone you don't expect like that to show those emotions.
He couldn't help it. And you know that helps men
in all phases to be able to see someone like
John Elway show that he can cry and feel that emotion.

(59:06):
It's all right, you know, it's all right to show
it and feel it. And he's been through a lot, man,
He's been through a lot. I looked up to him
as a youngster, and then when I got here to
not fill his shoes because Greasey was the stop gap
between me and him. I just embodied that. I said,
I'm not John Elway, and I ain't gonna play here
for sixteen years and I'm ready to go win now.

(59:26):
John didn't win, or I mean, he had a lot
of expectations. He had some rough seasons, yeah, but he
showed toughness, he played his ass off, his teammates loved him,
and all in all, when you're QB number one, you're
gonna have more success than not if you just go
out there and play your ass off and be a
competitive mofo and not give a shit what anybody thinks
except those guys around you.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think, are you know the heroes we
watched growing up, there was no social media, so to
be able to see him open up or MJ open
up with his documentary, when we get to see our
heroes open up, and that there's always so much great
unseen footage and stories. Man, I really I binge watched
that doc I really enjoyed that documentary. Fellas Hee. Tell

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You can check us out Gorilla sports dot net.

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Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Man, I love it. I love it, Jake. I'm gonna
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Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Me right on, matt We appreciate it. Man, If you
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Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
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Thank you for your time and enjoy the rest of
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