February 19, 2026 • 42 mins
Last year's NBA All-Star Weekend gave us one of our most iconic moments: the Vernon Maxwell episode. Not only does it stand as one of our funniest and most-watched episodes of all time, but it also brought Mad Max into the ALL THE SMOKE family as a permanent part of the show. So naturally, we had to run it back with this year's live show at The Lighthouse Campus in Venice.
We caught up with Max to talk about how his life has changed since that episode and what he's been up to lately. We also sat down with Craig Hodges to discuss his record-setting NBA Three-Point Contest wins, Symba to break down his cutting-edge approach to breaking into the rap game, and Jenna Bandy to talk about her experience in the NBA Celebrity Game and how she built her career as a content creator.
This one is packed with laughs, completely unfiltered, in the only way ALL THE SMOKE knows how.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
All start LA twenty twenty six. First of all, I
want to thank the Lighthouse. This has been absolutely incredible
the weather cooperator. Give it up for the lighthouse man.
Great location, great layout, the weather's beautiful. Everybody showed up today. Man,
thank you DraftKings for partnering with us throughout the weekend.
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Shout out to DraftKings stock X. We appreciate you guys.
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Fellas. What's going on? Max? You good? Max?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
A little bit of trouble getting here, Max. What happened?
Max was fucking with you at the airport.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Matt, don't start this ship to day? God damn. Yeah,
I had a little trouble getting it here.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man. I'm sorry, but you made it. But you're here.
I made it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, I missed it important.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I should have been here yesterday, Vicker, But I missed
an important date yesterday, but I'm here today and we
ain't gonna do all that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We're gonna keep moving. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Come on, that mixtape is out now. How you feeling Yeah?
One time? One time, one time? What's up y'all? Thank
y'all for being here once again thanks to Lighthouse Man.
This shit is dope. Christina, this shit is dope. You
did it again. We love you to death. But uh,
those flyers that y'all see, drop the project off super solid.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They got a barkhole on there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
If y'all don't mind download the project, let me know
what y'all thinking. On the flip side, it's my wife's
lip gloss line. I know y'all it's Valentine's Day, So
go ahead the Barcoe get some lip gloss for your ladies.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You did happy Valentine's Day out there. That Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I'd had about six women come up to me and
ask you you had a Valentine's date for the night
Max that They want to know what's happening with old Max.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Max? You got a Valentine's date tonight? Max?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Never have I don't have no date I don't even
know anybody in here, but but.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They know you came in here with I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Anybody, and this motherfucker Man, I gotta start cussing now. Goddamn,
I'm this bullshit. I don't know nobody in here. I
know a couple of my homies came out here with
their wives and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But are you looking? Are you looking to get to
know someone? Boy?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You better know it, he.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Said, you better know it, you better believe it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So Max, this is we're really at the one year
anniversary where we connected with you. Last year, Jack made
the call. We were in the bay, and it's been magic.
Ever since you've been You've been the Missing Peace. How's
the run been crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Is?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's crazy as fuck? Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I mean, I mean thanks to you and my guy
five and Jilani had a lot to do with it
and dealing, and so I appreciate it so much. Y'all
bought old motherfucking mad Max back.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's all you did.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
But I love it though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You motherfuckers think, Hey, that was that was? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah yeah yeah, So Jack, what made you know that? Max?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Because he was actually talking it up before you came through.
What made you know Max would be magic? The way
he's been with this, with with our group.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Well, just everything we built, the relationship man you have
has been solid and been built off morals and just
no sucker shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And I knew. I knew Matt, I knew how mad
Max was. He basically raised me.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
A lot of people don't know Mad Max and me
at my worst when I was a teenager trying to
figure my way out there so to be able to
and they taught us that coming in the league. When
we came in the league, they was teaching the young fellas.
When whatever I'm teaching you, make sure you do the
same thing. I don't want nothing from you, but just
teach the somebody is coming up under you the same
thing I'm teaching you. So if we have we had
(04:08):
an opportunity to give a help hand to somebody who
meant to me. We was younger, somebody who I really
love and got a relationship with. It was a no
brainer for me. And I knew him because you know,
he's open, just like just like we are. He weighs
emotions on the sleeve, and I know it'll be entertaining
for a lot of people because he is one of
the funniest people on Deserve.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I want to shout out O G. Craig Hodges in
the building. Yes, sir, get it up. Also shout out
our brother j R.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Ryder Nba Absolutely, I think Darren Wallers in the building.
Shout out Darren Waller Waller. Also shout out my brother Simba.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, sir, nephew to tell the top five dead alive.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You don't put my money on He's gonna sit down
with us a little bit. Shout out Steazy and all
the Smoke Cannabis brand. We are fully functional now, shout
out Steeze in the building.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, only if you want to smoke good though. If
you don't want to smoke good don't. Yeah, stay away
from us. You don't want to smoke good seeds and
keep shopping where you've been shopping.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You like smoking the little bushes you're smoking. Stay away
from us. That's not how we get down anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Max.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Obviously you told I think one of the stories that
stood out when you told us last year at All
Stars was when Hakeem slapped the ship out of you.
I'm not bringing up old ship what I'm doing is
you've seen a keen since, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And how did that go? I heard he said, no, MAXI,
that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
MAXI don't don't talk about that ship no more. MAXI
stop MAXI. He just don't want me to talk about
it anymore. But nigga, you put your goddamn hands on me.
You know what I mean? I still I don't like that,
but I mean I love dream dream. Hey, let me
start with this bullshit. Dream the best probably center, the
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best center I ever played with, but dream layer to death.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's one on the bridge.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I don't know why Matt brought that bullship up, but
that's what Matt. Dude, Matt gonna keep me in something.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Could you water? You couldn't take another one of them
right now? Dreaming?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I ain't gonna do that, Nigga.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'm gonna be in the.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I'm just saying, take another one of them right there,
jump take one.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I've been in an orange jumpsuit downtown. We're gonna figure
this ship out downtown. Ain't nobody gonna put your hands
on me, nigga.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Max Did you ever end up getting your ring back?
The story was you never got your ninety five championship ring.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Did you ever get your ring? Getting it?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, man, we need to heap talking about that ship though,
Matt and you and Jack Man, y'all motherfuckers, y'all come on, man,
help a motherfucker out, y'all help.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Pushing with the University of Florida. Let's talk about that.
Damn you need your championship, right, yeah, oh you right?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, they say I got too, but nigga, I.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Ain't get that second ring, nigga. I mean, that's god
heven truth, man. But they said I got too, but
I got one, and the city gave us one when
we weren't when we won the first fucking championship in
Houston ever in any sport, So they gave us a
ring too, So I guess that's what they're talking about.
I got two, but I supposed to have three.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Then this bullshit, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Let's go rockets with this bullshit speak. Y'all ain't had
me out there all fucking year.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Speaking of?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You brought up the situation about Florida not recognizing your
accomplishments on the court, and they've since done that, So
you're now the all time.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Leading scorer for the University of Florida. Give it up
for Max. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Man, that was a blessing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, come on, man, we talked about it this time.
You remember this time last year, so and and it
came full circle. Man, I mean, I appreciate it so much. Uh,
University of Florida, thank you so much. I mean, it's
a new regiment over there. They got new guys in
the office. Nine new athletic director, new coach, new president.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So they do things right.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yes, everything's yeah, yeah, they understand that numbers don't lie,
you know. I mean, I mean, I know, I did
a lot of shit. I was snorting and I was smoking.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So now now you're bringing up old ship. Man, what
ship Nigga? That's what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So that's what they took my records away for because
of all that ship right there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But I mean, come on, man, I was a mother
fucking little key.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I was a key.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I was about saying, Man, she was out in the
streets as the young he was young doing all that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, Damn, I was home, Nigga. He was from Nigga.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I'm from I'm born and raised a mile away from
that campus. I was home so I know where to
go get it from.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And the ain't know where to bring it to.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They wasn't bringing their ass out on that camera.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And the wife they wasn't coming on that campus, couldn't
get on that campus.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh shit. Nah.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You know, we always in tuned everything you got going on.
And recently you was on Gillian Wallow show. You said
some stuff about Larry Bird. Is that the truth and
the whole truth? What do you say about Larry Bird?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Because you are nothing but the truth? What happened? Right?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He did?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
He called me and my brother nigga did he Yeah,
Larry Bird, Yeah, he did that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I said this ship a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, that's the first time y'all heard me say that ship.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I said that ship a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Why you do Max like this?
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Bird that motherfucker from French Lick, Indiana?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So what the fuck we expect back in them days that?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like, See, I'm an old motherfucker. I'm sixty. I know
everybody thank this.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Nigga, Hey forty think you like forty forty five? I'm sixty.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So I was in the league in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I mean, so I heard a lot of ship that,
you know what I mean, But you know I was,
you know, it is what it is, And yes, that's
the guard heaven fucking truth. He called me and Buck Johnson,
niggas get off the floor and hit us with that motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You know that ship was long gated.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
That ship was long gated, and he and you think
he gonna shoot you think he's gonna shoot it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Then he bring them up and then he.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Looking at you, snigger, dumb ass niggas, get off the floor,
get I ass up. So but yeah, that part right there.
But I'm just saying that was ther last time you
seen it. Yeah, I hadn't seen Larry. I love you
like I mean, I ain't got nothing against Larry. That
was one of the best everybody. That's the best motherfucking
(11:03):
white boy I ever seen, and was on the floor
with ever Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yes, I'm with you on that, Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Who else who else was good at talking back then
besides Bird shit?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Michael Jordan's always Mike was talking though all the time.
Mike don't talk, man. Well, I don't know what he
did with everybody else, but I know that motherfucker talk
to me, so shit, I know that part right there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Mike talked a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was a lot, man.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean you got like but you.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Had some guys like like like like Mitch Richmond. That's
my homie. You know, Mitch Richmond. He's a solid killer.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He ain't gonna say nothing to you, big dog. That's
what we called him. Back in Florida.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Mitch Richmond shot out to Mitch Richmond, mits Richmond, he
gonna use his body and shows over there Sacramento. Boy,
he was a nobody. Don't talk about him though, but
see it's tough.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He was rock used to get. Well, that's defense.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Absolutely, that's what I'm talking about. That's what Florida niggas
do you know. I'm from Florida, he from Florida.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's what we do.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
We lock up on both sides. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Recently, and this is what Lebron James said, playing eighty
two games and the modern NBA is harder than playing
in the nineties due to the significant higher pace, speed
and increase soft tissue injuries.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Max. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, I love Lebron James so much, man, and I'm
out in there.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm out here in La man.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well, I don't agree with that, but I you know
what I mean, Lebron, I'm gonna get your pass.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Baby.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I ain't gonna say shit about you because I'm in
your city and I'm quiet.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Un Let's go to Jack.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
What was the style of play during your ear?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
For those that missed it, it was more of a physics,
a cool half court game, running sets, playing through the center.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Is that how you guys played?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It was all above you know, we played fast, we
played physical, I mean, and that that's what the game
was back when we played so and I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I don't know when you I kind of I watched
you play a lot, and I wish a shot would
go up before Dream touched that ball.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, I didn't say I was shooting before that run.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Now I said, so I was shooting out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We're gonna go inside.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Well, we already knew that we had We had Dream
down there and this every time down the floor, we
know we're gonna go to dreaming every time. I mean,
in the whole goddamn seven seven game series we had
against New York and back in ninety three, ninety four,
ship we went down there, We went down there to
him ninety nine percent.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of the time, as you should every and then.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But we had four motherfucker snipers out there, you know,
mean Kenny Sam, Robert Horry.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We have some motherfucker ready to take your head off something. Team. Yeah,
you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
So him and papals down there ballot but nah, that
part right there, you're right.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want to welcome to the show now, one of
the greatest shooters to ever touch a basketball, mister Craig.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Let's get it up, Let's scare it up, belove it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Welcome, Oh gee, welcome.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Man, I see you out there shooting. It's like riding
the bike.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Here with the family, man, and this is a great environment.
I want to thank everybody for coming out supporting the
Brothers because it's definitely a necessary link for our people.
So once again, I appreciate you all from inviting you
and wherever you're at, y'all know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, so obviously we're here at All Star weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're someone that won three three point shootouts one time
you weren't even on the team, is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
No?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The last time, the last time that I shot in
it didn't have a team.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh I came in fourth.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, Yeah, So tell us about what All Star Weekend
means to you and how tough it was, and who
are some of the guys you competed against in those
three point contests that you want.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Well for me, you know, when we looked like he
was talking about Larry Bird, Larry was able to shoot
the ball from a set shot, and for me, it
was one of those things after he beat me the
first couple of times, it was, you know, a jump
shooter would never win a three point contest. But I
knew at the time it wasn't a matter of me
not winning. It was just a matter of my approach
towards it, you know, And when I finally approached it,
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towards looking at it at his game situation. But I
didn't have to play any defense. So I went into
it with the mindset that I was going into a
game as opposed to going to the weekend for a contest, right,
And once once I did that, it became a different thing.
But you know, you talk about Dale Ellis, Mark Price,
you know, Larry, Norm Nixon was in it one time,
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Byron was in it. You know, so we had and
once again, when we talk about this whole generational play
of the game. Game once again, we all winks in
the chain, you know what I'm saying. And for me
to get a chance to have some impact in three
point shooting is a blessing.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you and Max got any stories running again in
against each other during during your careers?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No, I don't even I don't know, we never.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I don't even recall playing against Max man. And the
crazy part is, I think it was what two All
Star Games ago.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Maybe back when we were I mean, I don't know
if it was.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
My last year was ninety two?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, well was your last year?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Max? My last year? What year did you finish? Oh? Two?
O two? Was your last year? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
So no run is so obviously no.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Play against my brother, right.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I'd love to play against Max though, because Max one
of them hard and those brothers just like Miss Richmond.
I ain't saying nothing, but I'm running you off some picks.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, but I probably I gotta. I gotta stay close
to him though, you know he's gonna run me screen.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, you know, close to us. Y'all know there's
a quarter right outside, right, y'all both looked like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
With the lethal Shooter or one of them motherfuckers. My
brother I love him too much.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So Craig, obviously you you know, you won three championships
with the Bulls. Tell me what your favorite part about
those championships were. Obviously m J Scotty the team you
guys had feel in that mix. What was the common
theme or thread within that team that that got you
guys over the hump?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
I think the biggest thing was knowing that the system
that we played out of everybody was gonna get touches,
and with everybody getting touches, we were gonna be a
defensively sound team. So even though everyone knew that MJ
was the man within within the framework in the locker room,
everyone that everybody understood that the hierarchy was Bill carr
Wright and everything ran through Bill, just like we talked about.
(17:59):
It may look like Jay was, but our initial impact
on the post is Bill Cartwright. So we were able
to have a perfect storm of players and a perfect
system with you know, with Phil at the head of
it was who was able to me one of the
best managers of people i'ven't been around, because you understand
with bush buttons to puts, but more than anything, else.
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If you look at the coaching staffs that Peel had
every it was over one hundred years of coaching experience
in the NBA, So rarely was you gonna get any
talk back from a player to this coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And obviously we talked about this when we sat down
with them before we get me out of here. Talk
to us about obviously playing with MJ, but coaching Kobe.
Compare and contrast those two players for everybody.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Well for me, when I looked at you know, one
of the first things when I had a chance to
get with the Lakers and coach Kobe, he asked me
to have a sit down with him, and it was
like it was probably about an hour and a half
of strictly what was Michael like?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How did Michael make people better?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
And then being around Kobe, I saw Kobe making an
extended approach to try to make his teammates around him better,
and he understood which buttons to push with each player.
Where he might slap the ship out of Sasha, but
he gonna holler had another brother in a different way,
you know what I'm saying. But it became a thing
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where he got the most out of player so for me,
I think MJ was more about building a legacy and
Kobe was more about building his teammates. And he told
me one time, he said, Hodge, if I can get
everybody around me playing at their best, not Kobe best,
but at their best, ain't nobody gonna beat us?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Good point. I like that. Well, Greg, thank you for
your time. We appreciate your stuff.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Blessings, n blessings people. Now, I want to welcome this show.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
One of my homies, one of my favorite rappers. Someone
is doing it his own way, streaming and building a network.
He's got an app, he's doing all kinds of ship.
Come up here and talk to talk your ship.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Welcome to the show, Simba nephew to top five dead alive.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Good, my brother, Simber. What's going on man? Fatherhood? Life
is good? I see you streaming now, I mean, what's
going on with you? Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I finally stop hiding my girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay, that's important.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, here she's there. Everybody makes a noise.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
That's right, hey, But to your point, you weren't doing
the wrong. LA is a nasty place.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It's very nasty. It's very nasty in a minute. Somebody
know who your partner is the the honor. I told
my big brother Game, I love Game to death. I
showed Game, I said, it's my girl. You know, we
think about get married. So two days later he was
in her d m.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
God, damn, oh my god, no way.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Goddamn, come on, Game, that's some bullship.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I love him. I love Game. That's my big dog.
I love that nigga.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Tell him Max, that's weird.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
We gotta one thing we gotta do, though, Max. We
gotta find Uncle Max some love Uncle Max. We gotta
get you.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
We might need to start a show. Y'all are streaming
them all.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
For the love of Max, for the love, for the
love of Max.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Make some noise if you watch for the love of Max.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What what type you need to do that? We gotta
go mad love with Max, Mad love with Man Mad
I like that, Jack, What that was? Bad love?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So you guys, you guys gotta stream. You guys gotta
live stream them all.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
That's gonna work Bad Love.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
No, we definitely we gotta stream tomorrow. Me and Max
been trying to figure some things out on the show side.
We did a couple of test episodes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You nobody hasn't worked yet though.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Because we ain't come holler at y'all. Come on, man,
we ain't y'all. But we wanted to get it right
before we came y'all.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So that's all.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
But no, man, I got a lot of love for
Uncle Vern, a lot of love for you guys. You
guys was a pivotal part in people getting to know me,
especially you, Matt. A lot of people didn't know me
when I first moved out to Los Angeles, and you
welcome me to your home, introduced me to Nipsy's sister,
introduced me to a lot of people, and my introduction
to l A was meeting you and Statton coming onto
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the show and different things. Y'all brought me onto the
show before anybody even know me. So I always got
a lot of love for you.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So what are you working on right now? So you
so you're independent on the music side. I know you're
doing a lot of streaming. You said you have an
app that you're converting. You talk to us about the
business side because we've seen l Russell execute this to
perfection and people think, oh, you sold out with going
to rock Nation, but he definitely didn't sell out. But
talk to us about what your journey has been about
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and what you've been trying to do over these last
few months where we haven't really got no motherfucking music
from you, talk to us.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
So basically what I was going through the past couple
of years, I was in a deal that kind of
had me tied to Atlantic Records, and Atlantic Records had
a regime change to where it was a lot of
new people that came in that wasn't the people that
brought me in, and I kind of got stuck in
trying to get out of that. And while trying to
get out of that, I started realizing the world was
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going in a different place to where radio and television
wasn't the only thing amplifying artists no more. It was
the algorithm. And if you can curate your own algorithm,
you could find who your actual fan is. And for me,
when I was on the label, I was showing a
version of myself.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I wasn't showing who I truly was.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Wow, And when I started the stream, I was like, Man,
I'm gonna let people see me, you know what I mean, Loud, obnoxious, annoying, smart,
all of it, just in one I'm gonna let people
see who I am, and through that we've developed something
called simba OS, which is an operating system for artists.
So I started a discord to where a lot of
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the young artists I meet on stream, I put them
in a chat together, and in this chat we got lawyers,
we got financial advisors. I got Wallow, I got my
boy Ish from the Joe Budden podcast. I got a
lot of people in the chat to where a young
kid who just signed his first deal came in the
chat the other day and was like, Yo, I just
made my first hundred grand off my deal, what should
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I do with it? One of the financial advisors in
the chat, his name is Kobe, was like, you should
invest in silver because a lot of electric cars are
being powered by silver now. So he was like, where
do I go find it? None of us knew that
they sell silver at Costco, Right, Costco and Sam Club
they sell silver. The man Win took five thousand dollars
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and brought a gang gang of fucking silver, and thirty
days later the shit went up a few dollars. So
if we look at silver a year ago, it was
about thirty bucks a stock. Now it's like fifty fifty
dollars a share, you know what I mean. So it's
really a place for young artists to come figure out
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the game that most of the industry don't really want
to tell them, so they can capitalize on them.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jacket obviously it's someone that just dropped a mixtape that's
out now, make sure you pick it up. Your former
hooper music, Jack is a hooper that also raps. Why
has there always been such a connection from music in sports,
but particularly basketball?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Well, for one, where we come from, especially in our Aria,
that was some of the only outlets either you could
do music or play sports. So a lot of us
got caught up in that, and a lot of a
lot of people he grew up with didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I was one of the lucky ones, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I was one of the lucky ones to make it
out the hood and guard protect me through all the
nonsense that we would get into to make it so.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And I think Symbol is the same way. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
He was one of the lucky ones, you know what
I'm saying, to make it to be successful, you know,
in rap, but they go hand in hand, you know
what I'm saying every athlete want to rap or love
music or listen to music when they're working out to
get motivated, and every rapper think they can play basketball
player the sport, so we go hand in hand. But
that comes from all our all of us growing up
in the same type of struggle.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I also think absolutely, I think that was a very
articulate answer. I'm gonna say it in a Nigga way.
Rappers are field basketball players. I'm a nigga that didn't
make it to the NBA and I talked too much
shit to go work a job, so I had to
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figure out what was going to be the next thing
to make me look cool, and it was fucking rapping.
I think a lot of us wanted to be NBA players.
If you look at someone like a J Cole, if
you look at someone like a Kendrick Drake, all these
people love basketball. We all wanted Davies, we all wanted
to play basketball. We just wasn't good enough to go
to the league. So we had to figure out what
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can make us look still like we made it, and
it was music. But one thing I like about your ship, Nephew,
You've saying something every time you know you're saying something.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You building up. You know you've saying something, So you're
building up the community, building up, you saying something.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's what I like about you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Gotta say something because we in a time like Jack
is saying something and he's talking about what he I'm
listening at Jack, I'm like, goddamn, Yeah, Jay's talking about
what he just struggled, what he went through, so and
I get it, but he's saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Something that I like that part.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So y'all Jack, he's been a phenomenal rapper. I got
a lot of respect for Jack as a rapper. It's
a lot of hoopers that raps, but Jack and Dame.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Lilli Is.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
It's like, na, these niggas would have made it in
rap if they would have made it in who you
know what I mean. So, so me and Jack definitely
gonna get in the.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Pt the touch on what Mac was saying.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think that's why I'm not a fan of so many,
but I'm a fan of you because with Mac was saying,
it's substance.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We listen to so much music with people giving the
wrong information. You know what I'm saying, The meaning people
and that's and that's and people that think that's big now,
but it's refreshing for somebody like you that come from
the struggle. But but you, not only are you entertaining
and giving us real rap, but you're giving Game two,
You're giving it, You're given intelligence, you're giving the youngsters hope,
all those things and music. That's what hip hop is, yes,
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and we kind of got away from that. We're making
hip hop about murdering people and talking about dead people
and all the wrong things. So that's why he's saying,
it's refreshing, bro that you that you standing up, but
that form of hip hop because that's.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
What we need.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
We'll see what happened, Jack. These executives figured out how
to commercialize our trauma. So they figured out that us
killing each other makes more money for them than us
sticking together. Because us sticking together makes more money for us,
it don't necessarily make money for them. So they commercialize it,
you know what I mean. They go find a rapper
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that's beefing with somebody, give him a fucking million dollars.
What you think he gonna do. He gonna go buy
more guns for the hood, most drugs, most shit that
turn his hood up. But what that does now is
allow another label to watch the person he beefing with.
So now they go turn him up right, and now
they're publicly funding the war. These niggas kill each other,
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they go to court for it, they get sentenced for it,
and the record label just says, we haven't nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And they got insurance policies.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
All around, insurance policy all and they own their masters.
So the minute these niggas die, the streams go through
the roof and they get all the money. And they
don't even want to participate in the funeral. They don't
want to pay for a casket and obituary, nothing. And
that's something that I've seen through the business, which kind
of like kilt my love for it because the business
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made it to where it was like, damn, I don't
know if I want to be a rapper no more,
because rappers get taken advantage of so much. We don't
understand the business. We don't take the time to understand
what we enter it until we just jump into it
because we got a dream. And sometime that dream could
really put you in a position that you can't get
out of. And I said once I got my freedom
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and my rights. I was like, I'm gonna do this
shit my way moving forward. And even the artists that
I'm looking to sign right now, I'm not signing them
to no traditional deals. I'm doing straight ninety five five
percent splits. Just give me my five percent. I'm gonna
give everything I got for you. You can have my resources.
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We're gonna put this bag behind you. We're gonna put
you on the stream. I'm gonna call Joe Budden, I'm
gonna call Matt, I'm gonna call everybody. Man, make sure
the world know you. But I'm not gonna rob you,
because I know what it looked like when somebody take
your future earnings.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, speaking of that, you're independent now. So what's this
independent journey been like? And what should the fans expect
from you coming soon?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Man, It's been interesting because one thing I would say,
one thing I didn't want to do after getting off
the label was looked like I wasn't on the label.
I feel like a lot of times artists get off
the label and it's like the videos get cheat, the
mixes ain't there, the beats don't be hitting the same.
So I had to make sure I sat down and
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built my brand of what I want to do with music,
and I was like, I think the best way to
start this is with a stream to let people know
how I think, which will help people understand my music
a lot more because they'll understand my thought process. So
I started with the stream and it was just me
and my girl just building it out, and before we
know it, we start getting artists coming in the stream.
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And then we start getting people like Russell Simmons and
Lloyd Banks and Matt Saidler from Amazon, Damn Page from TikTok,
all these different people start coming on the stream. We
just had Club five twenty on on Wednesday. So it's
it's been a good thing for me to be able
to see this whole thing from a clear vision and
not try to fit what everybody want me to be.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I'm doing this solely for what I think it should be,
not what everybody think it should.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Love that with that said, when we're gonna hear something
this summer. Two weeks, two weeks, two weeks what's it called?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Mark six? Table for one y'all heard of? Two weeks
Mark six. I just announced it for the first time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Two weeks, two weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
My birthday is March nine, so we gotta do something.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
We're going to hang out.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, man, we appreciate you, We love you. Get up
for Simba, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Before before I get out of here, though, I want
to say one thing. Let's make a round of a
clause for these brothers. Let's make a round of applause
for Mad Max because what they provide for are people.
What they provide for people like my son, my nephews,
is a role model to look up to. A lot
of times we just see people in the streets, and
that's what we glorify. These brothers have built the platform.
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I was at the episode with them in Max at
All Star Weekend when they brought Max on and to
see what this became, and for Max to be able
to sit up here and say, y'all brought old Max back.
That's what this thing is about, all of us looking
out for each other. So shut out to all the smoke.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Thanks Bro, love you, Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We got one more guest, I think for threads right. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome Jenna to the show. China Bandy. If you guys
haven't seen her, she's all over social media doing incredible
athletic feats. Whether it's throwing the football, hitting the golf ball, basketball,
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you name it, she does it all.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Jenna, How are you good?
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I'm having a good time. I just played in the
celebrity All Star game last night?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
How'd that go? Did you get me? Buzz? Let's good?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We got the done.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
I represented for the girls, so you guys won, Yes,
got the dough.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But what'd you do? I did?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
You know everyone's trying to get their highlight. Yes, I
didn't do too much, but I was just happy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So we played in a celebrity softball game together during
the summertime.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Oh my god, and Jenna had one of.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
The most crazy fucking catches I've ever seen. So someone
it was almost a home run. Jenna caught it, but
ran through the fence face first, it was, and still
held onto the ball.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
I thought I was concussed, incredible, I was out cold,
but I got up. I held on to that ball
and that's all that mattered.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
We shared CoV, we got co MVP.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's my co MVP right there. I was getting to that.
But how is All Star weekend? I mean, obviously being
in LA. Again, thank everyone for being here because I
know there's a lot of other stuff going on. But
how's All Star being for you back in LA where
you live at?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Yeah, it's been cool. Just working with brands a lot,
you know, being everywhere. Really like I'm on a time timeline,
you know, I'm on low management. I'm like Lebron, Right,
I gotta gotta rest the legs. But it's been, It's
been everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's great. Traffic isn't great. But is basketball the best
sport for creators? Yes?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
I love the fact that the NBA is so involved
and they're very they're leaning into creators. I mean, they
just had the Creator Cup three on three yesterday. We
had a dunk contest at the into a Dome last week, which, honestly,
I feel like need to be incorporated into All Star
weekend because these dunkers are doing incredible things that the
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NBA dunkers really aren't.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Uh oh that's Max. Can you still dunk? Max? Hell?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, man, I'm Mac.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I'm sixty six, oh sixty years old.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Which it looks like you forty though, Max.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
But I ain't gonna try because I'm gonna pull a
hamstring on something, Achilles.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I want to shout out Threads. They just launched a
new feature called dear Algo. Basically, what you can do
is curate your own algorithm on threads. Whether you like
cooking videos, whatever you may like, you tell the algorithm
what you want to see and they spit that out.
So my question right now with for all three of
you guys is Jack, what would your dear algo be
(36:22):
for Threads? What do you want to see more on
your threads? And it can't be dope, No, not that.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It's a lot of videos where people be like, oh,
if you're doing good for people, you shouldn't take that.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Just do it and you don't show it off.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
I think it should be more videos of people giving back,
giving helping people, and doing things that don't benefit them.
And I want less of seeing hood rats fighting on
every show to get five thousand dollars and whoever I hate.
That's all that's on my algorithm right now is girls fighting.
I wish they could erase that off my shit asap.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Max would be on your algorithm.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Well, it's easy for me because I don't even get
in my dms.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Why it's too crazy man.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Max, I don't get
anything for the man.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Is coming soon.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
But you don't get then now we're gonna do that.
Then Max gotta get it in his DMS. But right now,
Max don't get it. No DMS. I just learned what
DMS was to what Cameron at Cameron Cameron, I just
learned about DMS a year ago. So I don't really
I don't do the DMS cause you get because if
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I did, I know a lot of niggas say a
lot of fun shit and a lot of people say
a lot of different ship and so I just try
to stay out the way because you know what I mean.
I don't want no problems with nobody, and I don't
want nobody have no problem with men.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You can say what you want about old.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Mad Max, old Max.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
How whatever fuck you wanna call men? But I don't
give a fuck how about that. But I ain't gonna
get no tongue wrestling with you. Ask over that goddamn
tech back and forth, tongue wrestling with your motherfucker bad.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm not doing that. I'm too old.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So Max, now I understand why there's women DM in
in my dms to get to you because you not
checking your DMS.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I probably had at least ten women.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Samn, Matt, why don't you call cam and tell cam
Cam Cam the women?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Uh call?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You got my damn number two? Man, I didn't know.
I just thought you were just too busy with what
you had going on.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
But I know visit now. I'm single, man, Okay, god, Mad,
I'm single. Okay, that's right, I'm single.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I'm single.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Jill, you better know it, Jenna, what do you want
to see on your algorithm?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
What would your dear algo to threads be?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
What I love to see more of is just kind
of more female stories, you know, not not as much competition,
but more collaboration. Okay, And then I would say what
I don't want to see more of is I know
it's only been a week from Super Bowl, but I'm
tired of seeing all.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
The grass people We've seen all the people.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm over it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
My dear Algo would be, I feel like the world
needs a lot more love and.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Empathy and and and compassion, so.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I need to see I want to see more love
on social media. I know we're not gonna get that ship,
but I would like to see more love. Max in
your opinion, what can what can they do to make
All Star weekend better?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Just don't have the motherfucker and just have the other parties,
because I mean they everybody's bullshit. Ain't nobody doing. I
mean that game last night, that's celebtric.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I'm sorry, no offense, but I'm just saying, like Gilly, like,
I'm just saying, just don't have the motherfucker. Just let
I mean, just tell place, Let let them kids have
a week off, week and a half off. Just don't
have it, man, this I mean, we get everybody get
to come together. We all together, we all from I'm
(39:55):
from I live in Charlotte, and shit, and everybody from
somewhere else too. We all get the come together. Let's
just keep the party going and ship.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And because the game and the game is gonna be bullshit.
I'm just telling you, y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Just being honest. What you're just being honest.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yes, I'm always gonna do that ship so but I mean,
no offense though, but I just think they need to
tank this ship and let the ship go and just
have parties and and let people collapse together and come
with businesses come come together and do that part ship
like that?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, Jenna, what would you do to make All Star
Weekend better?
Speaker 8 (40:33):
I would say have creators in the dunk contest like
I talked about before. But then other than that, the
Convention Center I think should be a talent show for
all the the athletes, like show their other they're off
the you know, whether it's like style.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Maybe they can see I like that.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Maybe you know they have a little side hustle that
they want to showcase.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Do you want to see the other side of the
like that? Like that?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So we have some trivia right now, brought to you
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Speaker 2 (41:10):
First question and you gotta raise your hand.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
If not, Mexicana, smack the ship out of you, So
don't shout the answer out. Who has the most three
point contest wins?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's two guys. Hint, hint, you might have heard from
one of them today. Who's got the answer? Two guys
have the most wins?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Incorrect, Larry Bird, And you go, what size do you wear?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
We ain't got that small, but these are.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Them.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Who was the shortest slam Dunk Contest winners?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Ain't never done.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Goddamny spun Web.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I think he said it back there in the back.
What size you wear, bro fourteen? We definitely don't have
your size, so you can give this to your work.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
We're gonna put you in the order system.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Thank you guys for coming out today. We got about
an hour left again. Lighthouse has been absolutely amazing. Enjoy yourself.
Shadow to NEOs is in the back with the drinks.
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We got the.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Fellas. What's going on? Max? You good? Max?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
A little bit of trouble getting here, Max. What happened?
Max was fucking with you at the airport.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Matt, don't start this ship to day? God damn. Yeah,
I had a little trouble getting it here.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Man. I'm sorry, but you made it. But you're here.
I made it.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, I missed it important.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I should have been here yesterday, Vicker, But I missed
an important date yesterday, but I'm here today and we
ain't gonna do all that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We're gonna keep moving. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Come on, that mixtape is out now. How you feeling Yeah?
One time? One time, one time? What's up y'all? Thank
y'all for being here once again thanks to Lighthouse Man.
This shit is dope. Christina, this shit is dope. You
did it again. We love you to death. But uh,
those flyers that y'all see, drop the project off super solid.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They got a barkhole on there.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
If y'all don't mind download the project, let me know
what y'all thinking. On the flip side, it's my wife's
lip gloss line. I know y'all it's Valentine's Day, So
go ahead the Barcoe get some lip gloss for your ladies.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You did happy Valentine's Day out there. That Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I'd had about six women come up to me and
ask you you had a Valentine's date for the night
Max that They want to know what's happening with old Max.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Max? You got a Valentine's date tonight? Max?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Never have I don't have no date I don't even
know anybody in here, but but.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They know you came in here with I don't even know.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Anybody, and this motherfucker Man, I gotta start cussing now. Goddamn,
I'm this bullshit. I don't know nobody in here. I
know a couple of my homies came out here with
their wives and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But are you looking? Are you looking to get to
know someone? Boy?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You better know it, he.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Said, you better know it, you better believe it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So Max, this is we're really at the one year
anniversary where we connected with you. Last year, Jack made
the call. We were in the bay, and it's been magic.
Ever since you've been You've been the Missing Peace. How's
the run been crazy?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Is?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It's crazy as fuck? Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I mean, I mean thanks to you and my guy
five and Jilani had a lot to do with it
and dealing, and so I appreciate it so much. Y'all
bought old motherfucking mad Max back.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
That's all you did.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
But I love it though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You motherfuckers think, Hey, that was that was? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah yeah yeah, So Jack, what made you know that? Max?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Because he was actually talking it up before you came through.
What made you know Max would be magic? The way
he's been with this, with with our group.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Well, just everything we built, the relationship man you have
has been solid and been built off morals and just
no sucker shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And I knew. I knew Matt, I knew how mad
Max was. He basically raised me.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
A lot of people don't know Mad Max and me
at my worst when I was a teenager trying to
figure my way out there so to be able to
and they taught us that coming in the league. When
we came in the league, they was teaching the young fellas.
When whatever I'm teaching you, make sure you do the
same thing. I don't want nothing from you, but just
teach the somebody is coming up under you the same
thing I'm teaching you. So if we have we had
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an opportunity to give a help hand to somebody who
meant to me. We was younger, somebody who I really
love and got a relationship with. It was a no
brainer for me. And I knew him because you know,
he's open, just like just like we are. He weighs
emotions on the sleeve, and I know it'll be entertaining
for a lot of people because he is one of
the funniest people on Deserve.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I want to shout out O G. Craig Hodges in
the building. Yes, sir, get it up. Also shout out
our brother j R.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Ryder Nba Absolutely, I think Darren Wallers in the building.
Shout out Darren Waller Waller. Also shout out my brother Simba.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, sir, nephew to tell the top five dead alive.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You don't put my money on He's gonna sit down
with us a little bit. Shout out Steazy and all
the Smoke Cannabis brand. We are fully functional now, shout
out Steeze in the building.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, only if you want to smoke good though. If
you don't want to smoke good don't. Yeah, stay away
from us. You don't want to smoke good seeds and
keep shopping where you've been shopping.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You like smoking the little bushes you're smoking. Stay away
from us. That's not how we get down anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Max.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Obviously you told I think one of the stories that
stood out when you told us last year at All
Stars was when Hakeem slapped the ship out of you.
I'm not bringing up old ship what I'm doing is
you've seen a keen since, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And how did that go? I heard he said, no, MAXI,
that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
MAXI don't don't talk about that ship no more. MAXI
stop MAXI. He just don't want me to talk about
it anymore. But nigga, you put your goddamn hands on me.
You know what I mean? I still I don't like that,
but I mean I love dream dream. Hey, let me
start with this bullshit. Dream the best probably center, the
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best center I ever played with, but dream layer to death.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's one on the bridge.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I don't know why Matt brought that bullship up, but
that's what Matt. Dude, Matt gonna keep me in something.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Could you water? You couldn't take another one of them
right now? Dreaming?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I ain't gonna do that, Nigga.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'm gonna be in the.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I'm just saying, take another one of them right there,
jump take one.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I've been in an orange jumpsuit downtown. We're gonna figure
this ship out downtown. Ain't nobody gonna put your hands
on me, nigga.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Max Did you ever end up getting your ring back?
The story was you never got your ninety five championship ring.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Did you ever get your ring? Getting it?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, man, we need to heap talking about that ship though,
Matt and you and Jack Man, y'all motherfuckers, y'all come on, man,
help a motherfucker out, y'all help.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Pushing with the University of Florida. Let's talk about that.
Damn you need your championship, right, yeah, oh you right?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Well, they say I got too, but nigga, I.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Ain't get that second ring, nigga. I mean, that's god
heven truth, man. But they said I got too, but
I got one, and the city gave us one when
we weren't when we won the first fucking championship in
Houston ever in any sport, So they gave us a
ring too, So I guess that's what they're talking about.
I got two, but I supposed to have three.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Then this bullshit, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Let's go rockets with this bullshit speak. Y'all ain't had
me out there all fucking year.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Speaking of?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You brought up the situation about Florida not recognizing your
accomplishments on the court, and they've since done that, So
you're now the all time.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Leading scorer for the University of Florida. Give it up
for Max. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Man, that was a blessing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, come on, man, we talked about it this time.
You remember this time last year, so and and it
came full circle. Man, I mean, I appreciate it so much. Uh,
University of Florida, thank you so much. I mean, it's
a new regiment over there. They got new guys in
the office. Nine new athletic director, new coach, new president.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So they do things right.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yes, everything's yeah, yeah, they understand that numbers don't lie,
you know. I mean, I mean, I know, I did
a lot of shit. I was snorting and I was smoking.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So now now you're bringing up old ship. Man, what
ship Nigga? That's what I was doing.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So that's what they took my records away for because
of all that ship right there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But I mean, come on, man, I was a mother
fucking little key.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I was a key.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I was about saying, Man, she was out in the
streets as the young he was young doing all that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Well, Damn, I was home, Nigga. He was from Nigga.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I'm from I'm born and raised a mile away from
that campus. I was home so I know where to
go get it from.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
And the ain't know where to bring it to.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They wasn't bringing their ass out on that camera.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And the wife they wasn't coming on that campus, couldn't
get on that campus.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh shit. Nah.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You know, we always in tuned everything you got going on.
And recently you was on Gillian Wallow show. You said
some stuff about Larry Bird. Is that the truth and
the whole truth? What do you say about Larry Bird?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Because you are nothing but the truth? What happened? Right?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He did?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
He called me and my brother nigga did he Yeah,
Larry Bird, Yeah, he did that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I said this ship a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, that's the first time y'all heard me say that ship.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I said that ship a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Why you do Max like this?
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Bird that motherfucker from French Lick, Indiana?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So what the fuck we expect back in them days that?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like, See, I'm an old motherfucker. I'm sixty. I know
everybody thank this.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Nigga, Hey forty think you like forty forty five? I'm sixty.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
So I was in the league in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So I mean, so I heard a lot of ship that,
you know what I mean, But you know I was,
you know, it is what it is, And yes, that's
the guard heaven fucking truth. He called me and Buck Johnson,
niggas get off the floor and hit us with that motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You know that ship was long gated.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
That ship was long gated, and he and you think
he gonna shoot you think he's gonna shoot it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Then he bring them up and then he.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Looking at you, snigger, dumb ass niggas, get off the floor,
get I ass up. So but yeah, that part right there.
But I'm just saying that was ther last time you
seen it. Yeah, I hadn't seen Larry. I love you
like I mean, I ain't got nothing against Larry. That
was one of the best everybody. That's the best motherfucking
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white boy I ever seen, and was on the floor
with ever Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yes, I'm with you on that, Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Who else who else was good at talking back then
besides Bird shit?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Michael Jordan's always Mike was talking though all the time.
Mike don't talk, man. Well, I don't know what he
did with everybody else, but I know that motherfucker talk
to me, so shit, I know that part right there.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Mike talked a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was a lot, man.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean you got like but you.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Had some guys like like like like Mitch Richmond. That's
my homie. You know, Mitch Richmond. He's a solid killer.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He ain't gonna say nothing to you, big dog. That's
what we called him. Back in Florida.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Mitch Richmond shot out to Mitch Richmond, mits Richmond, he
gonna use his body and shows over there Sacramento. Boy,
he was a nobody. Don't talk about him though, but
see it's tough.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He was rock used to get. Well, that's defense.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Absolutely, that's what I'm talking about. That's what Florida niggas
do you know. I'm from Florida, he from Florida.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's what we do.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
We lock up on both sides. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Recently, and this is what Lebron James said, playing eighty
two games and the modern NBA is harder than playing
in the nineties due to the significant higher pace, speed
and increase soft tissue injuries.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Max. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Well, I love Lebron James so much, man, and I'm
out in there.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm out here in La man.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Well, I don't agree with that, but I you know
what I mean, Lebron, I'm gonna get your pass.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Baby.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I ain't gonna say shit about you because I'm in
your city and I'm quiet.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Un Let's go to Jack.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
What was the style of play during your ear?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
For those that missed it, it was more of a physics,
a cool half court game, running sets, playing through the center.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Is that how you guys played?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It was all above you know, we played fast, we
played physical, I mean, and that that's what the game
was back when we played so and I mean.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I don't know when you I kind of I watched
you play a lot, and I wish a shot would
go up before Dream touched that ball.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, I didn't say I was shooting before that run.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Now I said, so I was shooting out.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We're gonna go inside.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Well, we already knew that we had We had Dream
down there and this every time down the floor, we
know we're gonna go to dreaming every time. I mean,
in the whole goddamn seven seven game series we had
against New York and back in ninety three, ninety four,
ship we went down there, We went down there to
him ninety nine percent.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Of the time, as you should every and then.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But we had four motherfucker snipers out there, you know,
mean Kenny Sam, Robert Horry.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
We have some motherfucker ready to take your head off something. Team. Yeah,
you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
So him and papals down there ballot but nah, that
part right there, you're right.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I want to welcome to the show now, one of
the greatest shooters to ever touch a basketball, mister Craig.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Let's get it up, Let's scare it up, belove it.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Welcome, Oh gee, welcome.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Man, I see you out there shooting. It's like riding
the bike.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Here with the family, man, and this is a great environment.
I want to thank everybody for coming out supporting the
Brothers because it's definitely a necessary link for our people.
So once again, I appreciate you all from inviting you
and wherever you're at, y'all know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, so obviously we're here at All Star weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're someone that won three three point shootouts one time
you weren't even on the team, is that correct?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
No?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
The last time, the last time that I shot in
it didn't have a team.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh I came in fourth.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, Yeah, So tell us about what All Star Weekend
means to you and how tough it was, and who
are some of the guys you competed against in those
three point contests that you want.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Well for me, you know, when we looked like he
was talking about Larry Bird, Larry was able to shoot
the ball from a set shot, and for me, it
was one of those things after he beat me the
first couple of times, it was, you know, a jump
shooter would never win a three point contest. But I
knew at the time it wasn't a matter of me
not winning. It was just a matter of my approach
towards it, you know, And when I finally approached it,
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towards looking at it at his game situation. But I
didn't have to play any defense. So I went into
it with the mindset that I was going into a
game as opposed to going to the weekend for a contest, right,
And once once I did that, it became a different thing.
But you know, you talk about Dale Ellis, Mark Price,
you know, Larry, Norm Nixon was in it one time,
(15:53):
Byron was in it. You know, so we had and
once again, when we talk about this whole generational play
of the game. Game once again, we all winks in
the chain, you know what I'm saying. And for me
to get a chance to have some impact in three
point shooting is a blessing.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you and Max got any stories running again in
against each other during during your careers?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No, I don't even I don't know, we never.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
I don't even recall playing against Max man. And the
crazy part is, I think it was what two All
Star Games ago.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Maybe back when we were I mean, I don't know
if it was.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
My last year was ninety two?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, well was your last year?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Max? My last year? What year did you finish? Oh? Two?
O two? Was your last year? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
So no run is so obviously no.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Play against my brother, right.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
I'd love to play against Max though, because Max one
of them hard and those brothers just like Miss Richmond.
I ain't saying nothing, but I'm running you off some picks.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, but I probably I gotta. I gotta stay close
to him though, you know he's gonna run me screen.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, you know, close to us. Y'all know there's
a quarter right outside, right, y'all both looked like.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
With the lethal Shooter or one of them motherfuckers. My
brother I love him too much.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So Craig, obviously you you know, you won three championships
with the Bulls. Tell me what your favorite part about
those championships were. Obviously m J Scotty the team you
guys had feel in that mix. What was the common
theme or thread within that team that that got you
guys over the hump?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
I think the biggest thing was knowing that the system
that we played out of everybody was gonna get touches,
and with everybody getting touches, we were gonna be a
defensively sound team. So even though everyone knew that MJ
was the man within within the framework in the locker room,
everyone that everybody understood that the hierarchy was Bill carr
Wright and everything ran through Bill, just like we talked about.
(17:59):
It may look like Jay was, but our initial impact
on the post is Bill Cartwright. So we were able
to have a perfect storm of players and a perfect
system with you know, with Phil at the head of
it was who was able to me one of the
best managers of people i'ven't been around, because you understand
with bush buttons to puts, but more than anything, else.
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If you look at the coaching staffs that Peel had
every it was over one hundred years of coaching experience
in the NBA, So rarely was you gonna get any
talk back from a player to this coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
And obviously we talked about this when we sat down
with them before we get me out of here. Talk
to us about obviously playing with MJ, but coaching Kobe.
Compare and contrast those two players for everybody.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Well for me, when I looked at you know, one
of the first things when I had a chance to
get with the Lakers and coach Kobe, he asked me
to have a sit down with him, and it was
like it was probably about an hour and a half
of strictly what was Michael like?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How did Michael make people better?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
And then being around Kobe, I saw Kobe making an
extended approach to try to make his teammates around him better,
and he understood which buttons to push with each player.
Where he might slap the ship out of Sasha, but
he gonna holler had another brother in a different way,
you know what I'm saying. But it became a thing
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where he got the most out of player so for me,
I think MJ was more about building a legacy and
Kobe was more about building his teammates. And he told
me one time, he said, Hodge, if I can get
everybody around me playing at their best, not Kobe best,
but at their best, ain't nobody gonna beat us?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Good point. I like that. Well, Greg, thank you for
your time. We appreciate your stuff.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Blessings, n blessings people. Now, I want to welcome this show.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
One of my homies, one of my favorite rappers. Someone
is doing it his own way, streaming and building a network.
He's got an app, he's doing all kinds of ship.
Come up here and talk to talk your ship.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Welcome to the show, Simba nephew to top five dead alive.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Good, my brother, Simber. What's going on man? Fatherhood? Life
is good? I see you streaming now, I mean, what's
going on with you? Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
I finally stop hiding my girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay, that's important.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Yeah, here she's there. Everybody makes a noise.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
That's right, hey, But to your point, you weren't doing
the wrong. LA is a nasty place.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
It's very nasty. It's very nasty in a minute. Somebody
know who your partner is the the honor. I told
my big brother Game, I love Game to death. I
showed Game, I said, it's my girl. You know, we
think about get married. So two days later he was
in her d m.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
God, damn, oh my god, no way.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Goddamn, come on, Game, that's some bullship.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I love him. I love Game. That's my big dog.
I love that nigga.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Tell him Max, that's weird.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
We gotta one thing we gotta do, though, Max. We
gotta find Uncle Max some love Uncle Max. We gotta
get you.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
We might need to start a show. Y'all are streaming
them all.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
For the love of Max, for the love, for the
love of Max.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Make some noise if you watch for the love of Max.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What what type you need to do that? We gotta
go mad love with Max, Mad love with Man Mad
I like that, Jack, What that was? Bad love?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So you guys, you guys gotta stream. You guys gotta
live stream them all.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
That's gonna work Bad Love.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
No, we definitely we gotta stream tomorrow. Me and Max
been trying to figure some things out on the show side.
We did a couple of test episodes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You nobody hasn't worked yet though.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Because we ain't come holler at y'all. Come on, man,
we ain't y'all. But we wanted to get it right
before we came y'all.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So that's all.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
But no, man, I got a lot of love for
Uncle Vern, a lot of love for you guys. You
guys was a pivotal part in people getting to know me,
especially you, Matt. A lot of people didn't know me
when I first moved out to Los Angeles, and you
welcome me to your home, introduced me to Nipsy's sister,
introduced me to a lot of people, and my introduction
to l A was meeting you and Statton coming onto
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the show and different things. Y'all brought me onto the
show before anybody even know me. So I always got
a lot of love for you.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So what are you working on right now? So you
so you're independent on the music side. I know you're
doing a lot of streaming. You said you have an
app that you're converting. You talk to us about the
business side because we've seen l Russell execute this to
perfection and people think, oh, you sold out with going
to rock Nation, but he definitely didn't sell out. But
talk to us about what your journey has been about
(23:16):
and what you've been trying to do over these last
few months where we haven't really got no motherfucking music
from you, talk to us.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
So basically what I was going through the past couple
of years, I was in a deal that kind of
had me tied to Atlantic Records, and Atlantic Records had
a regime change to where it was a lot of
new people that came in that wasn't the people that
brought me in, and I kind of got stuck in
trying to get out of that. And while trying to
get out of that, I started realizing the world was
(23:45):
going in a different place to where radio and television
wasn't the only thing amplifying artists no more. It was
the algorithm. And if you can curate your own algorithm,
you could find who your actual fan is. And for me,
when I was on the label, I was showing a
version of myself.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I wasn't showing who I truly was.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Wow, And when I started the stream, I was like, Man,
I'm gonna let people see me, you know what I mean, Loud, obnoxious, annoying, smart,
all of it, just in one I'm gonna let people
see who I am, and through that we've developed something
called simba OS, which is an operating system for artists.
So I started a discord to where a lot of
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the young artists I meet on stream, I put them
in a chat together, and in this chat we got lawyers,
we got financial advisors. I got Wallow, I got my
boy Ish from the Joe Budden podcast. I got a
lot of people in the chat to where a young
kid who just signed his first deal came in the
chat the other day and was like, Yo, I just
made my first hundred grand off my deal, what should
(24:47):
I do with it? One of the financial advisors in
the chat, his name is Kobe, was like, you should
invest in silver because a lot of electric cars are
being powered by silver now. So he was like, where
do I go find it? None of us knew that
they sell silver at Costco, Right, Costco and Sam Club
they sell silver. The man Win took five thousand dollars
(25:09):
and brought a gang gang of fucking silver, and thirty
days later the shit went up a few dollars. So
if we look at silver a year ago, it was
about thirty bucks a stock. Now it's like fifty fifty
dollars a share, you know what I mean. So it's
really a place for young artists to come figure out
(25:29):
the game that most of the industry don't really want
to tell them, so they can capitalize on them.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Jacket obviously it's someone that just dropped a mixtape that's
out now, make sure you pick it up. Your former
hooper music, Jack is a hooper that also raps. Why
has there always been such a connection from music in sports,
but particularly basketball?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Well, for one, where we come from, especially in our Aria,
that was some of the only outlets either you could
do music or play sports. So a lot of us
got caught up in that, and a lot of a
lot of people he grew up with didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I was one of the lucky ones, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
I was one of the lucky ones to make it
out the hood and guard protect me through all the
nonsense that we would get into to make it so.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
And I think Symbol is the same way. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
He was one of the lucky ones, you know what
I'm saying, to make it to be successful, you know,
in rap, but they go hand in hand, you know
what I'm saying every athlete want to rap or love
music or listen to music when they're working out to
get motivated, and every rapper think they can play basketball
player the sport, so we go hand in hand. But
that comes from all our all of us growing up
in the same type of struggle.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I also think absolutely, I think that was a very
articulate answer. I'm gonna say it in a Nigga way.
Rappers are field basketball players. I'm a nigga that didn't
make it to the NBA and I talked too much
shit to go work a job, so I had to
(26:55):
figure out what was going to be the next thing
to make me look cool, and it was fucking rapping.
I think a lot of us wanted to be NBA players.
If you look at someone like a J Cole, if
you look at someone like a Kendrick Drake, all these
people love basketball. We all wanted Davies, we all wanted
to play basketball. We just wasn't good enough to go
to the league. So we had to figure out what
(27:18):
can make us look still like we made it, and
it was music. But one thing I like about your ship, Nephew,
You've saying something every time you know you're saying something.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You building up. You know you've saying something, So you're
building up the community, building up, you saying something.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's what I like about you.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Gotta say something because we in a time like Jack
is saying something and he's talking about what he I'm
listening at Jack, I'm like, goddamn, Yeah, Jay's talking about
what he just struggled, what he went through, so and
I get it, but he's saying.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Something that I like that part.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So y'all Jack, he's been a phenomenal rapper. I got
a lot of respect for Jack as a rapper. It's
a lot of hoopers that raps, but Jack and Dame.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Lilli Is.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
It's like, na, these niggas would have made it in
rap if they would have made it in who you
know what I mean. So, so me and Jack definitely
gonna get in the.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Pt the touch on what Mac was saying.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think that's why I'm not a fan of so many,
but I'm a fan of you because with Mac was saying,
it's substance.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We listen to so much music with people giving the
wrong information. You know what I'm saying, The meaning people
and that's and that's and people that think that's big now,
but it's refreshing for somebody like you that come from
the struggle. But but you, not only are you entertaining
and giving us real rap, but you're giving Game two,
You're giving it, You're given intelligence, you're giving the youngsters hope,
all those things and music. That's what hip hop is, yes,
(28:50):
and we kind of got away from that. We're making
hip hop about murdering people and talking about dead people
and all the wrong things. So that's why he's saying,
it's refreshing, bro that you that you standing up, but
that form of hip hop because that's.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
What we need.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
We'll see what happened, Jack. These executives figured out how
to commercialize our trauma. So they figured out that us
killing each other makes more money for them than us
sticking together. Because us sticking together makes more money for us,
it don't necessarily make money for them. So they commercialize it,
you know what I mean. They go find a rapper
(29:22):
that's beefing with somebody, give him a fucking million dollars.
What you think he gonna do. He gonna go buy
more guns for the hood, most drugs, most shit that
turn his hood up. But what that does now is
allow another label to watch the person he beefing with.
So now they go turn him up right, and now
they're publicly funding the war. These niggas kill each other,
(29:43):
they go to court for it, they get sentenced for it,
and the record label just says, we haven't nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And they got insurance policies.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
All around, insurance policy all and they own their masters.
So the minute these niggas die, the streams go through
the roof and they get all the money. And they
don't even want to participate in the funeral. They don't
want to pay for a casket and obituary, nothing. And
that's something that I've seen through the business, which kind
of like kilt my love for it because the business
(30:11):
made it to where it was like, damn, I don't
know if I want to be a rapper no more,
because rappers get taken advantage of so much. We don't
understand the business. We don't take the time to understand
what we enter it until we just jump into it
because we got a dream. And sometime that dream could
really put you in a position that you can't get
out of. And I said once I got my freedom
(30:33):
and my rights. I was like, I'm gonna do this
shit my way moving forward. And even the artists that
I'm looking to sign right now, I'm not signing them
to no traditional deals. I'm doing straight ninety five five
percent splits. Just give me my five percent. I'm gonna
give everything I got for you. You can have my resources.
(30:53):
We're gonna put this bag behind you. We're gonna put
you on the stream. I'm gonna call Joe Budden, I'm
gonna call Matt, I'm gonna call everybody. Man, make sure
the world know you. But I'm not gonna rob you,
because I know what it looked like when somebody take
your future earnings.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, speaking of that, you're independent now. So what's this
independent journey been like? And what should the fans expect
from you coming soon?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Man, It's been interesting because one thing I would say,
one thing I didn't want to do after getting off
the label was looked like I wasn't on the label.
I feel like a lot of times artists get off
the label and it's like the videos get cheat, the
mixes ain't there, the beats don't be hitting the same.
So I had to make sure I sat down and
(31:35):
built my brand of what I want to do with music,
and I was like, I think the best way to
start this is with a stream to let people know
how I think, which will help people understand my music
a lot more because they'll understand my thought process. So
I started with the stream and it was just me
and my girl just building it out, and before we
know it, we start getting artists coming in the stream.
(31:57):
And then we start getting people like Russell Simmons and
Lloyd Banks and Matt Saidler from Amazon, Damn Page from TikTok,
all these different people start coming on the stream. We
just had Club five twenty on on Wednesday. So it's
it's been a good thing for me to be able
to see this whole thing from a clear vision and
not try to fit what everybody want me to be.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
I'm doing this solely for what I think it should be,
not what everybody think it should.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Love that with that said, when we're gonna hear something
this summer. Two weeks, two weeks, two weeks what's it called?
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Mark six? Table for one y'all heard of? Two weeks
Mark six. I just announced it for the first time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Two weeks, two weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
My birthday is March nine, so we gotta do something.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
We're going to hang out.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, man, we appreciate you, We love you. Get up
for Simba, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Before before I get out of here, though, I want
to say one thing. Let's make a round of a
clause for these brothers. Let's make a round of applause
for Mad Max because what they provide for are people.
What they provide for people like my son, my nephews,
is a role model to look up to. A lot
of times we just see people in the streets, and
that's what we glorify. These brothers have built the platform.
(33:18):
I was at the episode with them in Max at
All Star Weekend when they brought Max on and to
see what this became, and for Max to be able
to sit up here and say, y'all brought old Max back.
That's what this thing is about, all of us looking
out for each other. So shut out to all the smoke.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Thanks Bro, love you, Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
We got one more guest, I think for threads right. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome Jenna to the show. China Bandy. If you guys
haven't seen her, she's all over social media doing incredible
athletic feats. Whether it's throwing the football, hitting the golf ball, basketball,
(33:56):
you name it, she does it all.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Jenna, How are you good?
Speaker 8 (34:00):
I'm having a good time. I just played in the
celebrity All Star game last night?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
How'd that go? Did you get me? Buzz? Let's good?
Speaker 4 (34:04):
We got the done.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
I represented for the girls, so you guys won, Yes,
got the dough.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
But what'd you do? I did?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (34:11):
You know everyone's trying to get their highlight. Yes, I
didn't do too much, but I was just happy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
To be there.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
So we played in a celebrity softball game together during
the summertime.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Oh my god, and Jenna had one of.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
The most crazy fucking catches I've ever seen. So someone
it was almost a home run. Jenna caught it, but
ran through the fence face first, it was, and still
held onto the ball.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
I thought I was concussed, incredible, I was out cold,
but I got up. I held on to that ball
and that's all that mattered.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
We shared CoV, we got co MVP.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's my co MVP right there. I was getting to that.
But how is All Star weekend? I mean, obviously being
in LA. Again, thank everyone for being here because I
know there's a lot of other stuff going on. But
how's All Star being for you back in LA where
you live at?
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Yeah, it's been cool. Just working with brands a lot,
you know, being everywhere. Really like I'm on a time timeline,
you know, I'm on low management. I'm like Lebron, Right,
I gotta gotta rest the legs. But it's been, It's
been everywhere.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's great. Traffic isn't great. But is basketball the best
sport for creators? Yes?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
I love the fact that the NBA is so involved
and they're very they're leaning into creators. I mean, they
just had the Creator Cup three on three yesterday. We
had a dunk contest at the into a Dome last week, which, honestly,
I feel like need to be incorporated into All Star
weekend because these dunkers are doing incredible things that the
(35:36):
NBA dunkers really aren't.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Yeah, I'm gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Uh oh that's Max. Can you still dunk? Max? Hell?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, man, I'm Mac.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I'm sixty six, oh sixty years old.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Which it looks like you forty though, Max.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
But I ain't gonna try because I'm gonna pull a
hamstring on something, Achilles.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I want to shout out Threads. They just launched a
new feature called dear Algo. Basically, what you can do
is curate your own algorithm on threads. Whether you like
cooking videos, whatever you may like, you tell the algorithm
what you want to see and they spit that out.
So my question right now with for all three of
you guys is Jack, what would your dear algo be
(36:22):
for Threads? What do you want to see more on
your threads? And it can't be dope, No, not that.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
It's a lot of videos where people be like, oh,
if you're doing good for people, you shouldn't take that.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Just do it and you don't show it off.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
I think it should be more videos of people giving back,
giving helping people, and doing things that don't benefit them.
And I want less of seeing hood rats fighting on
every show to get five thousand dollars and whoever I hate.
That's all that's on my algorithm right now is girls fighting.
I wish they could erase that off my shit asap.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Max would be on your algorithm.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Well, it's easy for me because I don't even get
in my dms.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Why it's too crazy man.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Max, I don't get
anything for the man.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Is coming soon.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
But you don't get then now we're gonna do that.
Then Max gotta get it in his DMS. But right now,
Max don't get it. No DMS. I just learned what
DMS was to what Cameron at Cameron Cameron, I just
learned about DMS a year ago. So I don't really
I don't do the DMS cause you get because if
(37:31):
I did, I know a lot of niggas say a
lot of fun shit and a lot of people say
a lot of different ship and so I just try
to stay out the way because you know what I mean.
I don't want no problems with nobody, and I don't
want nobody have no problem with men.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You can say what you want about old.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Mad Max, old Max.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
How whatever fuck you wanna call men? But I don't
give a fuck how about that. But I ain't gonna
get no tongue wrestling with you. Ask over that goddamn
tech back and forth, tongue wrestling with your motherfucker bad.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm not doing that. I'm too old.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So Max, now I understand why there's women DM in
in my dms to get to you because you not
checking your DMS.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I probably had at least ten women.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Samn, Matt, why don't you call cam and tell cam
Cam Cam the women?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Uh call?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
You got my damn number two? Man, I didn't know.
I just thought you were just too busy with what
you had going on.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
But I know visit now. I'm single, man, Okay, god, Mad,
I'm single. Okay, that's right, I'm single.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I'm single.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Jill, you better know it, Jenna, what do you want
to see on your algorithm?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
What would your dear algo to threads be?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
What I love to see more of is just kind
of more female stories, you know, not not as much competition,
but more collaboration. Okay, And then I would say what
I don't want to see more of is I know
it's only been a week from Super Bowl, but I'm
tired of seeing all.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
The grass people We've seen all the people.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm over it.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
My dear Algo would be, I feel like the world
needs a lot more love and.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Empathy and and and compassion, so.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I need to see I want to see more love
on social media. I know we're not gonna get that ship,
but I would like to see more love. Max in
your opinion, what can what can they do to make
All Star weekend better?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Just don't have the motherfucker and just have the other parties,
because I mean they everybody's bullshit. Ain't nobody doing. I
mean that game last night, that's celebtric.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I'm sorry, no offense, but I'm just saying, like Gilly, like,
I'm just saying, just don't have the motherfucker. Just let
I mean, just tell place, Let let them kids have
a week off, week and a half off. Just don't
have it, man, this I mean, we get everybody get
to come together. We all together, we all from I'm
(39:55):
from I live in Charlotte, and shit, and everybody from
somewhere else too. We all get the come together. Let's
just keep the party going and ship.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
And because the game and the game is gonna be bullshit.
I'm just telling you, y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Just being honest. What you're just being honest.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yes, I'm always gonna do that ship so but I mean,
no offense though, but I just think they need to
tank this ship and let the ship go and just
have parties and and let people collapse together and come
with businesses come come together and do that part ship
like that?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, Jenna, what would you do to make All Star
Weekend better?
Speaker 8 (40:33):
I would say have creators in the dunk contest like
I talked about before. But then other than that, the
Convention Center I think should be a talent show for
all the the athletes, like show their other they're off
the you know, whether it's like style.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Maybe they can see I like that.
Speaker 8 (40:52):
Maybe you know they have a little side hustle that
they want to showcase.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Do you want to see the other side of the
like that? Like that?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So we have some trivia right now, brought to you
by stock x, and the correct answer gets some stock
X Fresh kicks.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
First question and you gotta raise your hand.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
If not, Mexicana, smack the ship out of you, So
don't shout the answer out. Who has the most three
point contest wins?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
It's two guys. Hint, hint, you might have heard from
one of them today. Who's got the answer? Two guys
have the most wins?
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Incorrect, Larry Bird, And you go, what size do you wear?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
We ain't got that small, but these are.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Them.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Who was the shortest slam Dunk Contest winners?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Ain't never done.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Goddamny spun Web.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I think he said it back there in the back.
What size you wear, bro fourteen? We definitely don't have
your size, so you can give this to your work.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
We're gonna put you in the order system.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Thank you guys for coming out today. We got about
an hour left again. Lighthouse has been absolutely amazing. Enjoy yourself.
Shadow to NEOs is in the back with the drinks.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
We got the.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Disruptors in the corner. Smoke in some trees, but enjoy yourself.
DJ kick it back off. Let's get it
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