August 3, 2026 • 15 mins
Week 2 of the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial begins today after an emotional first week that ended with jurors taking a field trip to the crime scene, the home where Lindsay and Patrick Clancy were raising their three young children. Lindsay did not join the 18 jurors and lawyers who toured both the basement where Lindsay strangled her children and the yard where she jumped from her bedroom’s second story window. The jury returned to court and heard from 5 more witnesses who described the conditions of Lindsay and her children when they arrived at the hospital. The next hurdle for the prosecution, proving Clancy was sane at the time of the murders.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, August third, and the
triple murder trial of Lindsey Clancy will continue today and
they're expected this week, in the second week of the trial,
to focus on whether or not she was insane at
the time of the killings. And with that, welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ. Roped a very important
(00:23):
week after what was a very emotional and difficult week
last week that ended on Friday. We didn't get a
chance to talk about with a field trip of sorts.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes there was. That's how the day began. Actually, so
the jurors and the lawyers walked through the home where
Lindsay Clancy strangled her three children. But it began actually
with the route that Patrick Clancy took that night, they claim,
prosecutors say, and this is not really disputed, that Lindsay
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sent her husband on an errand to go get some
takeout food, to go to the pharmacy to pick up
some medicaid for Clara, and so jurors were taken on
that route which ended at the home there.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's something robes as much as we've been saying about
this case, to think that they that they were in
his they essentially went his route and hers through the house. Robes.
I can't imagine how these folks felt. We've been hearing
some very difficult testimony, and this is one that, yes
there are cameras in the courtroom, we have been able
to hear this, see this, see the murder weapons, Robes.
(01:30):
This has been very difficult. Now they are physically in
that home that they say this does, and both sides
agreed and wanted the jury to have this, But Robes,
I can't imagine what that felt like on Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, this is this is a hell of a first
week for an already difficult subject matter, the death's the
strangulation of three children at the hands of their own mother.
And to hear and see the nine one one call,
to see the murder weapons, those exercise bands, and then
to actually go to the crime scene itself. That is
(02:06):
something that very few people will ever experience in their life,
nor would they want to. But this jury, I didn't
realize the makeup twelve women, six men, So there are alternates.
No one knows who the alternates are, I believe until
the end. So there are eighteen jurors that went on
this field trip alongside the attorneys now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Lindsey Kline, how that reads for her, how that helps
hurts in a case like that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I feel like it would help. I feel like it
would help because a woman, especially a woman who's given birth,
especially a woman who might have experienced postpartum, might be
a little bit more sympathetic I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Know, or understanding of how difficult it can get. Yes,
just something a man will never comprehend.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Correct, And I think a woman would understand a mother's love.
And yes, there are always outliers, There are evil people
in this world. We understand that. But I do think
seeing this mother so far, what we've been seen in
this first week, being presented with just the care she took,
the consideration she took for her kids, the pictures she
had with the kids, I think that resonates with a
(03:10):
lot of the women. So yeah, I hadn't heard the
makeup of the jury until now. That's significantly So yeah,
twelve women, six men.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I do wonder what is that final breakdown going to be? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Who the alternates are? We don't know right now and
neither do the jurors. But Lindsay Clancy notably did not
go on this field trip. We wondered if she would
or not, and it was noted she has not been
at that home since the night or the day of
those killings.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And the day of those killings. Of reminder, folks, this
was in January of twenty twenty three when Lindsay Clancy
strangled her three kids, five year old, three year old
and eight month old. Strangled the three kids, then she
slashed her own neck and jumped out a window in
an attempt to kill herself. She is now claiming not guilty,
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not guilty by reason of insanity. And again, Robes, as
we've gone back and forth, the first witness of the
case was her now ex husband, who was supportive of
her in that He immediately came out and said publicly
put out a statement after the kids were killed, Robes saying,
you won't need to hear everything and have mercy on her.
She's hurting and I forgive her. He saw her spiral
(04:21):
into whatever she wherever she ended. This psychosis she says
she was in. It is as a layperson, Robes, it's
hard to understand. But it's also hard to understand why
the prosecution gives her no room, no possibility that she
was ill.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, that is a little surprising. And look, we may
understand it better as they continue to present their case,
but this field trip was notable and it is rare.
I mean, this does happen, but we can kind of
name on one hand, maybe the amount of times at
least from a high profile standpoint, this has actually occurred.
(05:01):
Where you have the jury go on a field trip,
so to speak, retracing the rout that Patrick Clancy took
that night. They started out driving past the CBS, which
is about a mile from the home where Patrick got
pedilex and skittles. I don't know why, just he picked
up some candy for the kids, Like, I don't know why.
That part of it just struck a nerve for me.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I don't know who. I don't know if you remember
if that was just a matter of just a matter
of fact in adding that detail, or was it added
for effect, Like you're sitting here just recalling it now
and clutching your chests, right, it's just you hear that,
and it it messes with you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It does because he was so unsuspecting, he had no idea.
He was picking up medicine for his child and got
a little candy to go along with it. We've all
been there, we've all done that, we all remember when
we had young kids, and just it just it brings
it home. And then they went by the three V restaurant,
which is about five and a half miles away from
the family home, where he picked up and they made
(06:01):
they got it very specific, a Mediterranean bull and some risotto.
Again thought he was coming home to have dinner with
his family. And then they yes, went to the home
exactly as Patrick did in Duxbury, Massachusetts. And I thought
this was interesting. The new owners, we've talked a lot
about this. They've renovated some of the home, but someone
(06:22):
did buy that home. They actually tried to block this
from happening. They actually sought an injunction to block the
jury from coming to their home and to their property
for purposes of this trial. But the judge overruled it
and said, nope, this is important to the case.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Wondery. Yeah, that's what rights do you have? Apparently none
to say stay off my property.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Because they did say that and it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't want cameras here. I don't want this mess here.
I don't want a reminder of this here. There might
be somebody that home. Maybe they're kids. They don't even
realize what had happened. Who knows what? Man, that is
something that you have no choice.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I thought that was really interesting because we didn't know,
we haven't heard any That was the first I heard that. Yes,
they did not want this to happen. It occurred anyway.
The media were they were ordered to stay one hundred
yards away. And look you can see there's some images
of them trying to just show the buses lining up,
but they could not obviously show any jurors, so very
(07:17):
limited in what they were able to show or see.
But we do know that the jurors were escorted in
groups of six, so six at a time, I guess
three different groups went in and they went to the basement. Oh,
I can't imagine what that was like. And then they
went into the yard where Lindsay was found by Patrick
after she jumped from that second story window. And it
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was about a forty minute visit. That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
They say, these things help, right, we've been hearing about it,
hearing about it just like they have now. They got
to see how many steps she took up and down
the stairs of the basement, how high was that window
she jumped out of. Right, you can say it all
day long, and feet and everything else, but ropes, it
makes a difference. And they're trying to convince this jury,
the prosecution is that this was this was not a
real suicide attempt. If you go in there and they
(08:06):
said blood was all over the floor office because they's
cleaned up now, but they're getting to see the stuff
in this room and getting to see would you say,
wait a minute, a jump out that window and you
said she was just faking it like that kind of
stuff matters.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It does, And so imagine just the emotion behind seeing
all of that. After hearing the testimony, you've done and
then you got to go back to court and hear
more testimony. So yeah, just before noon, testimony resumed and
the prosecution called five witnesses. They called two police officers,
two er doctors, and a hospital lab technician. And look,
(08:41):
some of this stuff was hard to hear, but the
police officers were talking about what they saw in terms
of Lindsay Clancy's wounds and her condition. One of them
testified that the medical staff was not actively treating her wounds,
which the prosecutions trying to claim were superficial, But the
defense had him confirmed that he did see those blood
stains inside and outside the home. And then I thought
(09:03):
this was interesting. The second police officer did have to
admit from the defense that there was a code blue
her first night. He was with her the whole evening,
which means that, yes, they thought she was dying.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, that sounds like she had serious injuries. What
wasn't the prosecution at some point trying to call them superficial?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Correct? And then the er doctor who treated little Dawson
at three just described the broken blood vessels on his face,
that there was no pulse. They worked on him for
forty minutes, but there was no chance. And then the
one who treated little eight month old Callen, and this
is where Lindsay reportedly began to sob in the courtroom.
(09:43):
But they said that he did regain a heartbeat ten
minutes after he arrived at the hospital, but there was
no brain function.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You remember baby, the kid on the side here. How
long did they work on that kid in Arizona that
they found in the morgue?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Not very sounded like six minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Or so right in the hospital and the doctor just
called it. And then they find the kid and the morgue.
How many hours laid.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Five hours, five hours later.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I think about that and that that is what I'm
talking about. There's a kid, there's in front of you
that's dead by all measures. They worked for forty minutes
to do anything they could.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And yes, that's what you imagine, that's what Yes, that's
what we've always been I guess that's what I've always
heard happen. So that was why that one case was
just significant. And yeah, and then this hospital lab supervisor
who was the final witness of the day on Friday,
gave some background about how her lab worked, but she
preserved Lindsay's blood and urine samples that were taken after
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the killings. And I'm guessing we'll get evidence of what
that showed in terms that they were just establishing chain
of command and how it was all done properly. So
that was significant. That wrapped up Friday. When we come back,
we're going to tell you when testimony resumes today on
Monday Day, what we are expecting as week two of
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the Killer Mom trial gets underway. Welcome back everyone to
Amy and TJ. We are talking about week two now
of the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial. The mom, the
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thirty five year old Massachusetts mom who is admitted to
strangling and killing her three young children, but her defense
is that she is not criminally responsible because she was
suffering from postpartum psychosis. And look, as we have gone
over what the first week's testimony was, it was gruesome,
it was emotional, it was chilling. We are expecting now
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the prosecution to begin presenting evidence that Lindsey Clancy was sane.
On January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear this expert. But I
can't wait. I would love to hear them. The battle
of the experts. Now, how do you go about saying Nope,
she was faking it, or nope, she doesn't she didn't
rise to a certain threshold. This is going to be fascinating.
How do you prove somebody saying or not when you
got two people with doctor in front of their names
saying two doily different things.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's true. And so yes, we're expecting psychiatric experts to
testify for the prosecution in the days ahead. And I
say experts because it'll be certainly more than one. But
I'm also curious, like with the reports of just the
jurors watching Lindsey Clancy being wheeled into the courtroom. She
cannot walk based on the injury she suffered after she
(12:37):
threw herself outside of that second story window.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Injury she's paralyzed for.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
She's paralyzed for the rest of her life. I wonder
the sympathy just seeing her sob when they describe her children,
seeing her sob during that nine to one one call,
seeing her sob throughout this I just I wonder what
that is saying to how jurors are experiencing that and
how that's going to shape what their verdict ultimately is.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Robes, there is not a moment we have seen in
this courtroom, and we've watched the majority of testimony where
she came off like a monster. Nothing they describe about her,
nothing that she has shown in the courtroom. Nothing. There
was one one something they were going after the prosecution
saying she was a control freak. Robes.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's though, that's that's what mom isn't. I'll be honest,
I'm a control freak. I think every woman understands that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You can't see a monster. You do not see anything
in her behavior in her past in her present robes
that suggests that there were times during that was that
Cora the woman out in the with the book.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh yeah, Cory Richards, Cora Richards robes.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
She's still sitting there, hair pulled back, looks like a young,
put together mom Rose. They described and things about her,
and we saw some stuff in the courtroom from her.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
They go, whoa pretty monstrous. Yeah, there's nothing of that here, baby,
No there is. So how in the world do you
convince this jury that's sitting there crying themselves elves watching
this woman shape cry paralyzed, and you're going to have
to go and say, yep, she is guilty of first
degree murder.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's a babe. That's so far tough one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And look, this is and people have said that Massachusetts
in particular, just the way things work in that state,
this is going to be This is a heavy lift
for the prosecution because, in addition to proving that Lindsay
Clancy was sane at the time of the murders, the
state also has to establish one of the two theories
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that she either premeditated these murders in insane fashion, or
that she committed extreme atrocity or cruelty in how she
murdered them. Look, that might not be as difficult to prove.
I don't know. I think murdering a child just is
in like just is just cruel period. I don't know
how you separate a non cruel murder of a child.
(14:54):
I'm not sure what.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Would even call it. What's the standard for us? Say
it again?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You have to they have to prove that she committed
a extreme atrocity or cruelty. So extreme cruelty, extreme atrocity,
strangling a child to death.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They should all qualify. However, the child should qual it.
So but it must mean something else if they had
to put it in there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, yes, and so they have I think. Look, the
main issue is to prove that she was saying. That
is going to be That is what is going to
be fascinating about the days and weeks to come here,
because that is going to be the prosecution's next effort. Obviously,
they've established the crime, they've established just the horror of
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the crime. But now this becomes the real battle back
and forth between the prosecution and the defense, and it
should begin starting later today, Yes, nine am this morning,
so Eastern time. We will continue to watch this trial,
bring you all the updates from it. We always appreciate
you listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.
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We'll talk soon.
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, August third, and the
triple murder trial of Lindsey Clancy will continue today and
they're expected this week, in the second week of the trial,
to focus on whether or not she was insane at
the time of the killings. And with that, welcome to
this episode of Amy and TJ. Roped a very important
(00:23):
week after what was a very emotional and difficult week
last week that ended on Friday. We didn't get a
chance to talk about with a field trip of sorts.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes there was. That's how the day began. Actually, so
the jurors and the lawyers walked through the home where
Lindsay Clancy strangled her three children. But it began actually
with the route that Patrick Clancy took that night, they claim,
prosecutors say, and this is not really disputed, that Lindsay
(00:53):
sent her husband on an errand to go get some
takeout food, to go to the pharmacy to pick up
some medicaid for Clara, and so jurors were taken on
that route which ended at the home there.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's something robes as much as we've been saying about
this case, to think that they that they were in
his they essentially went his route and hers through the house. Robes.
I can't imagine how these folks felt. We've been hearing
some very difficult testimony, and this is one that, yes
there are cameras in the courtroom, we have been able
to hear this, see this, see the murder weapons, Robes.
(01:30):
This has been very difficult. Now they are physically in
that home that they say this does, and both sides
agreed and wanted the jury to have this, But Robes,
I can't imagine what that felt like on Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, this is this is a hell of a first
week for an already difficult subject matter, the death's the
strangulation of three children at the hands of their own mother.
And to hear and see the nine one one call,
to see the murder weapons, those exercise bands, and then
to actually go to the crime scene itself. That is
(02:06):
something that very few people will ever experience in their life,
nor would they want to. But this jury, I didn't
realize the makeup twelve women, six men, So there are alternates.
No one knows who the alternates are, I believe until
the end. So there are eighteen jurors that went on
this field trip alongside the attorneys now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Lindsey Kline, how that reads for her, how that helps
hurts in a case like that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I feel like it would help. I feel like it
would help because a woman, especially a woman who's given birth,
especially a woman who might have experienced postpartum, might be
a little bit more sympathetic I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Know, or understanding of how difficult it can get. Yes,
just something a man will never comprehend.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Correct, And I think a woman would understand a mother's love.
And yes, there are always outliers, There are evil people
in this world. We understand that. But I do think
seeing this mother so far, what we've been seen in
this first week, being presented with just the care she took,
the consideration she took for her kids, the pictures she
had with the kids, I think that resonates with a
(03:10):
lot of the women. So yeah, I hadn't heard the
makeup of the jury until now. That's significantly So yeah,
twelve women, six men.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I do wonder what is that final breakdown going to be? Right?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Who the alternates are? We don't know right now and
neither do the jurors. But Lindsay Clancy notably did not
go on this field trip. We wondered if she would
or not, and it was noted she has not been
at that home since the night or the day of
those killings.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And the day of those killings. Of reminder, folks, this
was in January of twenty twenty three when Lindsay Clancy
strangled her three kids, five year old, three year old
and eight month old. Strangled the three kids, then she
slashed her own neck and jumped out a window in
an attempt to kill herself. She is now claiming not guilty,
(03:59):
not guilty by reason of insanity. And again, Robes, as
we've gone back and forth, the first witness of the
case was her now ex husband, who was supportive of
her in that He immediately came out and said publicly
put out a statement after the kids were killed, Robes saying,
you won't need to hear everything and have mercy on her.
She's hurting and I forgive her. He saw her spiral
(04:21):
into whatever she wherever she ended. This psychosis she says
she was in. It is as a layperson, Robes, it's
hard to understand. But it's also hard to understand why
the prosecution gives her no room, no possibility that she
was ill.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, that is a little surprising. And look, we may
understand it better as they continue to present their case,
but this field trip was notable and it is rare.
I mean, this does happen, but we can kind of
name on one hand, maybe the amount of times at
least from a high profile standpoint, this has actually occurred.
(05:01):
Where you have the jury go on a field trip,
so to speak, retracing the rout that Patrick Clancy took
that night. They started out driving past the CBS, which
is about a mile from the home where Patrick got
pedilex and skittles. I don't know why, just he picked
up some candy for the kids, Like, I don't know why.
That part of it just struck a nerve for me.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I don't know who. I don't know if you remember
if that was just a matter of just a matter
of fact in adding that detail, or was it added
for effect, Like you're sitting here just recalling it now
and clutching your chests, right, it's just you hear that,
and it it messes with you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It does because he was so unsuspecting, he had no idea.
He was picking up medicine for his child and got
a little candy to go along with it. We've all
been there, we've all done that, we all remember when
we had young kids, and just it just it brings
it home. And then they went by the three V restaurant,
which is about five and a half miles away from
the family home, where he picked up and they made
(06:01):
they got it very specific, a Mediterranean bull and some risotto.
Again thought he was coming home to have dinner with
his family. And then they yes, went to the home
exactly as Patrick did in Duxbury, Massachusetts. And I thought
this was interesting. The new owners, we've talked a lot
about this. They've renovated some of the home, but someone
(06:22):
did buy that home. They actually tried to block this
from happening. They actually sought an injunction to block the
jury from coming to their home and to their property
for purposes of this trial. But the judge overruled it
and said, nope, this is important to the case.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Wondery. Yeah, that's what rights do you have? Apparently none
to say stay off my property.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Because they did say that and it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't want cameras here. I don't want this mess here.
I don't want a reminder of this here. There might
be somebody that home. Maybe they're kids. They don't even
realize what had happened. Who knows what? Man, that is
something that you have no choice.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I thought that was really interesting because we didn't know,
we haven't heard any That was the first I heard that. Yes,
they did not want this to happen. It occurred anyway.
The media were they were ordered to stay one hundred
yards away. And look you can see there's some images
of them trying to just show the buses lining up,
but they could not obviously show any jurors, so very
(07:17):
limited in what they were able to show or see.
But we do know that the jurors were escorted in
groups of six, so six at a time, I guess
three different groups went in and they went to the basement. Oh,
I can't imagine what that was like. And then they
went into the yard where Lindsay was found by Patrick
after she jumped from that second story window. And it
(07:38):
was about a forty minute visit. That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
They say, these things help, right, we've been hearing about it,
hearing about it just like they have now. They got
to see how many steps she took up and down
the stairs of the basement, how high was that window
she jumped out of. Right, you can say it all
day long, and feet and everything else, but ropes, it
makes a difference. And they're trying to convince this jury,
the prosecution is that this was this was not a
real suicide attempt. If you go in there and they
(08:06):
said blood was all over the floor office because they's
cleaned up now, but they're getting to see the stuff
in this room and getting to see would you say,
wait a minute, a jump out that window and you
said she was just faking it like that kind of
stuff matters.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It does, And so imagine just the emotion behind seeing
all of that. After hearing the testimony, you've done and
then you got to go back to court and hear
more testimony. So yeah, just before noon, testimony resumed and
the prosecution called five witnesses. They called two police officers,
two er doctors, and a hospital lab technician. And look,
(08:41):
some of this stuff was hard to hear, but the
police officers were talking about what they saw in terms
of Lindsay Clancy's wounds and her condition. One of them
testified that the medical staff was not actively treating her wounds,
which the prosecutions trying to claim were superficial, But the
defense had him confirmed that he did see those blood
stains inside and outside the home. And then I thought
(09:03):
this was interesting. The second police officer did have to
admit from the defense that there was a code blue
her first night. He was with her the whole evening,
which means that, yes, they thought she was dying.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, that sounds like she had serious injuries. What
wasn't the prosecution at some point trying to call them superficial?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Correct? And then the er doctor who treated little Dawson
at three just described the broken blood vessels on his face,
that there was no pulse. They worked on him for
forty minutes, but there was no chance. And then the
one who treated little eight month old Callen, and this
is where Lindsay reportedly began to sob in the courtroom.
(09:43):
But they said that he did regain a heartbeat ten
minutes after he arrived at the hospital, but there was
no brain function.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You remember baby, the kid on the side here. How
long did they work on that kid in Arizona that
they found in the morgue?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Not very sounded like six minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Or so right in the hospital and the doctor just
called it. And then they find the kid and the morgue.
How many hours laid.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Five hours, five hours later.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I think about that and that that is what I'm
talking about. There's a kid, there's in front of you
that's dead by all measures. They worked for forty minutes
to do anything they could.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And yes, that's what you imagine, that's what Yes, that's
what we've always been I guess that's what I've always
heard happen. So that was why that one case was
just significant. And yeah, and then this hospital lab supervisor
who was the final witness of the day on Friday,
gave some background about how her lab worked, but she
preserved Lindsay's blood and urine samples that were taken after
(10:42):
the killings. And I'm guessing we'll get evidence of what
that showed in terms that they were just establishing chain
of command and how it was all done properly. So
that was significant. That wrapped up Friday. When we come back,
we're going to tell you when testimony resumes today on
Monday Day, what we are expecting as week two of
(11:03):
the Killer Mom trial gets underway. Welcome back everyone to
Amy and TJ. We are talking about week two now
of the Lindsay Clancy triple murder trial. The mom, the
(11:23):
thirty five year old Massachusetts mom who is admitted to
strangling and killing her three young children, but her defense
is that she is not criminally responsible because she was
suffering from postpartum psychosis. And look, as we have gone
over what the first week's testimony was, it was gruesome,
it was emotional, it was chilling. We are expecting now
(11:46):
the prosecution to begin presenting evidence that Lindsey Clancy was sane.
On January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear this expert. But I
can't wait. I would love to hear them. The battle
of the experts. Now, how do you go about saying Nope,
she was faking it, or nope, she doesn't she didn't
rise to a certain threshold. This is going to be fascinating.
How do you prove somebody saying or not when you
got two people with doctor in front of their names
saying two doily different things.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's true. And so yes, we're expecting psychiatric experts to
testify for the prosecution in the days ahead. And I
say experts because it'll be certainly more than one. But
I'm also curious, like with the reports of just the
jurors watching Lindsey Clancy being wheeled into the courtroom. She
cannot walk based on the injury she suffered after she
(12:37):
threw herself outside of that second story window.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Injury she's paralyzed for.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
She's paralyzed for the rest of her life. I wonder
the sympathy just seeing her sob when they describe her children,
seeing her sob during that nine to one one call,
seeing her sob throughout this I just I wonder what
that is saying to how jurors are experiencing that and
how that's going to shape what their verdict ultimately is.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Robes, there is not a moment we have seen in
this courtroom, and we've watched the majority of testimony where
she came off like a monster. Nothing they describe about her,
nothing that she has shown in the courtroom. Nothing. There
was one one something they were going after the prosecution
saying she was a control freak. Robes.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's though, that's that's what mom isn't. I'll be honest,
I'm a control freak. I think every woman understands that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You can't see a monster. You do not see anything
in her behavior in her past in her present robes
that suggests that there were times during that was that
Cora the woman out in the with the book.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh yeah, Cory Richards, Cora Richards robes.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
She's still sitting there, hair pulled back, looks like a young,
put together mom Rose. They described and things about her,
and we saw some stuff in the courtroom from her.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
They go, whoa pretty monstrous. Yeah, there's nothing of that here, baby,
No there is. So how in the world do you
convince this jury that's sitting there crying themselves elves watching
this woman shape cry paralyzed, and you're going to have
to go and say, yep, she is guilty of first
degree murder.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's a babe. That's so far tough one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And look, this is and people have said that Massachusetts
in particular, just the way things work in that state,
this is going to be This is a heavy lift
for the prosecution because, in addition to proving that Lindsay
Clancy was sane at the time of the murders, the
state also has to establish one of the two theories
(14:31):
that she either premeditated these murders in insane fashion, or
that she committed extreme atrocity or cruelty in how she
murdered them. Look, that might not be as difficult to prove.
I don't know. I think murdering a child just is
in like just is just cruel period. I don't know
how you separate a non cruel murder of a child.
(14:54):
I'm not sure what.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Would even call it. What's the standard for us? Say
it again?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You have to they have to prove that she committed
a extreme atrocity or cruelty. So extreme cruelty, extreme atrocity,
strangling a child to death.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They should all qualify. However, the child should qual it.
So but it must mean something else if they had
to put it in there.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yes, yes, and so they have I think. Look, the
main issue is to prove that she was saying. That
is going to be That is what is going to
be fascinating about the days and weeks to come here,
because that is going to be the prosecution's next effort. Obviously,
they've established the crime, they've established just the horror of
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the crime. But now this becomes the real battle back
and forth between the prosecution and the defense, and it
should begin starting later today, Yes, nine am this morning,
so Eastern time. We will continue to watch this trial,
bring you all the updates from it. We always appreciate
you listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.
(15:52):
We'll talk soon.
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