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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, April fifteenth, and things
have escalated quickly. What started as a seemingly random, out
of nowhere accusation against Katy Perry has now turned into
a police investigation. With that, welcome to this episode of
Amy and TJ. Rhoades. I'll have to admit I didn't
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think this was going to go very far, and I was,
I'm sorry, initially kind of dismissive based on the reporting
and the accusations. Police are actually investigating Katy Perry for
a sexual assault that was deck over a decade.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
From twenty ten. Did we see this coming sixteen years ago?
I didn't see this coming, and I'm sure many of
you who are listening might have seen some of the
headlines that Ruby Rose, actress Ruby Rose was making this
very specific and fairly disgusting accusation against Katy Perry.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We actually covered it in Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Run yesterday, but we thought that was it, you know,
maybe an internet beef.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Ruby Rose is mouthing off.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
She certainly is known to be very vocal about sexual
assault and certainly discussing things that have happened to her
over the years as an actress, So it just seemed like,
maybe that was it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Katy Perry's team responded, We're done. Nope.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Now Victorian detectives, according to Australian Broadcasting Company, are investigating
allegations by Ruby Rose that she was sexually assaulted by
Katy Perry in a Melbourne nightclub back in twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, this came from a random and again we say
random because Ruby Rose did not go on to her
social media accounts and decide to start. She didn't put
out some big announcement. She didn't say, hey, everybody look
at me, this is happening. I want to speak my truth.
She seemed to be responding on like a message board
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having to do with Katy Perry being talked about because
of comment she made about Justin Peebers's Coachella performance, So
robes even deciding to make the comment where she made
it seem to be odd.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes, so she just it was almost like a passive
aggressive anger came out in a comment where she basically
just said Katie Perry sexually assaulted me at Spice Market
nightclub in Melbourne. Who gives a bleep what she thinks?
And then that sparked fans to start asking questions. So
then she goes on to her Instagram threats and just
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starts going and details this sexual assault. She says happened
nearly two decades ago.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So this is how, Yes, it all started. Now robes,
we should start with. She did start to give some details,
and yes, it's gross in describing what happened to her
at a club. Now we have there's a verbatim in
which she describes it but essentially talking about one of
the biggest pop stars in the world rob her vagina interface.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, okay, here's what she wrote. Katy Perry sexually assaulted
me at Spice Market nightclub in Melbourne.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I was only in my early twenties. I am now forty.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It has taken almost two decades to say this publicly.
I told the story publicly, but changed it to be
a funny, little drunk story because I didn't know how
else to handle it. Later, she agreed to help me
get my US visa, so I kept it a secret,
but I did tell y'all she wasn't a good person. Instead,
I got attacked by everyone. So then a fan asks,
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she kissed a girl and you didn't like it, playing
off of Katy Perry's famous song. And this is when
she got into the details. She didn't kiss me. She
saw me resting on my best friend's lap to avoid her,
and bent down, pulled her underwear to the side, and
rubbed her disgusting vagina on my face until my eyes
snapped open and I projectile vomited on her. Not interested
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in filing a police report over this, not when I
haven't even filed a report for the numerous rapes at
the hands of grown men.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But she is more than welcome to sue me. She
won't because it happened.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I have photos, and it was literally in public and
witnessed by multiple people. Plus there is so much more
that happened in the years leading up to her silly song.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
She won't want me discussing disgusting, the discussing.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Sorry, the psychological manipulation was strong with that one.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
But then she.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Later adds just left the police station, so she said
she wasn't going to file a report, and it looks
like she ended up doing just that.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay, we need to go one step further, because she's
also saying in comments I think you have in front
of you there that in fact she has been advised
now or asked by police to not continue commenting correct.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So this was her latest post she just put out
as of this afternoon, I have finalized all my reports.
This means I am no longer able to comment, repost,
or talk publicly about any of those cases or the
individuals involved. It's going to look like I'm ignoring everything
from supportive messages to other people's experiences, but I'm not.
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This is a standard request from the police and in
many ways quite the relief. I can start the healing
process now and temporarily move forward.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I love you all so much.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And Katy Perry's initial response to this came from a
representative who denied it robes and not just saying it's
wrong or inaccurate, but when as far as saying you know,
this is like reckless, hurtful stuff you're doing, It's set
a different tone as a matter of not just denying,
but saying you're actually doing something you know better of.
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And this has possibly some consequences and repercussions that frankly
are not deserved based on the story you're telling it.
I thought the way they came back at her wasn't
just a denial.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, no, it was a very strong.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It was a short but strong statement saying that the
allegations being circulated on social media by Ruby Rose about
Katy Perry are not only categorically false, they are dangerous,
reckless lies. They went on to say Ms Rose has
a well documented history of making serious public allegations on
social media against various individuals, claims that have been repeatedly
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denied by those named. It's interesting because you say, yes, dangerous, reckless. Well,
now it's potentially criminal.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What can they do? I mean, this is weird. What
year that they say they were looking at twenty ten toimes?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Twenty ten, so that's sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
What can you do?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
According to Ruby Rose there were multiple witnesses?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, well what can you again? We think statutal limitations
here in this country? Is there one at all? Not
just Australia. Maybe it's specific to that jurisdiction. I do
not know what can be done Rose, I don't know
why this isn't Is it because of the messenger, because
of its of the accuser? Is it because it's two women?
Is it because Ruby Rose is in a relationship with
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a woman or has guests? They do? I mean, do
all these things factor into what is being discs as
a pretty grotesque, egregious moment, probably one of the biggest
stars in the world. And how are we having this conversation?
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It seems more so a dismissive this a social media
that versus a very heinous accusation.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, it's interesting you say that, because yes, to your point,
I think, yes, absolutely, it feels different because it's two
women we're talking about, and Ruby Rose did because she
was very active before she now, I guess is shutting
it down, but she.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Actually wrote specifically about that.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
She said as a woman for a myriad of reasons,
opening up about women on women violence and sexual abuse
seems to be one hundred times harder than speaking about
the male predators, at least for me, because people are
dismissive of it. We don't know what actually happened, but
I do think generally speaking, we are more dismissive of
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women on women violence. It's more like funny, a cat fight,
a spectacle, and maybe even a form of entertainment. It
doesn't feel threatening, frightening, or damaging.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Every promo for a Housewives show just ran through my
head to where we see like we call them cat fights,
we would call them violent incidents in which police need
to be called if it was two dudes going at
it the same way I'm seeing Taylor Frankie Paul throw
chairs across the room and still get a chance to
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be America's sweetheart as the bachelorette. We do for whatever reason?
Should we should we not look at these differently? I
just know, Ropes. If this change the sex of the
offender in this case, what would we be talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Babe?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You just nailed it. You and I were talking about
this and you said, okay. Imagine Katie Perry is a man,
and now Ruby Rose is describing someone taking out a
genital and rubbing it all over their face. If that
were a well known male pop star, that would be
a very different story. It would be a much more
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serious allegation, and people would be talking about it very differently.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Not as sport, not as a beef, not as a little.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Cat fight, back and forth rivalry. That's not how this
allegation would be considered or heard.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And some might say, yeah, that's just how it is.
I don't know, Robes that it's difficult to have a
conversation with what she describes and this could be completely false.
This could be made up, or we talk about sometimes
Robes sixteen years ago that might be an incident and
people remember it differently, that they have two different truths,
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and they really do believe what they're saying is the truth,
and they remember it differently. I don't know what you
do with this, Robes, How does Katy Perry defend herself?
What do you do with this?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I don't know how things work over on us Australia,
but to know that detectives are on it. They are
investigating Ruby Rose's report and they called it a historical
sexual assault that occurred in Melbourne in twenty ten. So
I imagine if the statute of limitations had run out,
they wouldn't even start the investigation.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I imagine this. We can check the.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Way it works over there in Australia, but I imagine
police wouldn't even take this on if they a didn't
feel there was any merit to it, and b if
there was a statute of limitations that would prevent them
from prosecuting. So I guess the only thing you could
do at this point is there's not going to be
surveillance video or security camera footage to go over sixteen
years ago. But I guess the only way to even
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try to confirm or or have this go away is
to talk to the people who were there. But again,
your memory of one night when you've probably been drinking
sixteen years ago, that's going to be tough.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But don't we always rogues? We've all been saying it. Yes,
me too highlighted it. But supposed to listen to women,
they're supposed to be believed, right, Why are we not
listening to him believing Ruby Rose? Why really are we
being Is she being believed? Our police believing her? I
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just don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Rogues.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
We deal with these all the time, and yes it's
sometimes oftentimes it has to do with men. But now,
Katy Perry, are you ever how long before she can
get away from if it's not true. She doesn't deserve this,
if it isn't true, to be labeled as this gross.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I was just saying, once someone makes a not just
a even an awful accusation against you, that's one thing,
But especially when it's this specific and disgusting, I wonder.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
If that's just a tough thing to shake, whether you did.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It or not, and whether you you know, if she
did it, obviously it would be deserved, But we won't know.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I don't know if we'll ever know. We'll see where
the police investigation ends up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But certainly Katy Perry probably is not finished defending herself.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Did hear from her representative gave a longer statement. We
did hear from Katy Perry herself on social media. She
didn't say much though. Stay here, all right, We continue
here on this Wednesday, A story that went from a
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random social media beef I guess robes into now a
potential police investigation against one of the biggest pop stars
on the planet, who frankly, it's not her music but
her dating life robes that has been in the spotlight
here lately, with her bouncing around. She was at Coachella,
of course, and she was there with her new bo
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don't know how new he is anymore, but she's been
dating former Prime minister Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yes, and they were actually out at Coachella together when
she was talking about Justin Bieber's performance, which seemingly set off.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
This whole tirade.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
But yeah, before that, she was married to Orlando Bloom
has a child with him.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I keep going over they actually got married, I know
they oh.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Maybe they were just fiance I asked, no question, every
you know what, I think you're right because there wasn't
a divorce. They were just engaged. I think that was
all it was. But they share a child together. And look,
she is famous for plenty of songs, but one of
her most famous songs, I kissed a girl around the
time where Ruby Rose is claiming all of this is happening,
or she's claiming there are all sorts of other incidents
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that led up to the making of that song. She's
been fairly cryptic about a lot of things. But it
does appear that even though she made this allegation against
Katy Perry as sexual assault allegation, she said she wasn't
interested in filing a report.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But it seems a few hours later, or at least the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Next day, she did in fact do that, because police
over there in Australia have confirmed they are investigating an
alleged incident involving Katy Perry and a sexual assault against
Ruby Rose. Oh that is official. Now, Katy Perry's team,
we told you what their reps said. They categorically deny it.
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They said, this is dangerous, this is reckless and as
far as Katy Perry herself, she put out something on
her Instagram story yesterday. This is how so many people
communicate with their fans these days. They don't get specific
necessarily or give some big statement. They put out music
and then people have to read between the lines. But
she put out a message to her followers that simply
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said I love you, and then an image of her
song By the Grace of God, It's from her twenty
thirteen album, and the lyrics everyone's picking up on. I
picked myself back up and now I have to rise above.
Let the universe call the bluff. Yeah, the truth will
set you free. So without specifically saying it, she said
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it by posting her song and let the lyrics speak
for themselves.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
We will hear more on this story, but don't know
from whom. It could be police, next, could be Katy Perry. Next,
it could be Ruby Rose next. We do not know.
But this is a significant story that once again Robes
puts us in a position to try to find a
way to navigate these stories. Navigate these stories publicly, be
fair to the accuser, be fair to the accused even
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But this is Robes worth a headline. It is worth
talking about when you have Yes. Ruby Rose is maybe
not as famous or accomplished or has had as many
of the accolades as a superstar like Katy Perry, but
she's an accomplished woman. She's an accomplished actress, musician. She
is making an accusation Robes that rises to the level
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and it needs to be figured out, fleshed out in
some way. I guess Katie's gonna have her fans and
Ruby's gonna have hers. But for the rest of us, Robes,
I'm just learning how we receive, how we take what
factors into who's the accuser, who's being accused and robes. Yes,
if would this be different if she didn't have a
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song called I Kissed a Girl and I liked it?
Are all these things factoring in here and how we're
having this conversation, Uh, it will continue. We appreciate We
just want to give you this update because we didn't
expect it to be updating this much. But we appreciate
you spending time with us so much. For my dear
Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll be talking to me
all soon.