December 1, 2025 • 23 mins
In a leaked memo over the weekend, our country’s FDA vaccine chief stated that AT LEAST 10 children have died after, and because of receiving COVID-19 vaccinations. The medical community has largely responded with not only skepticism, but a demand for proof to back up what the FDA says is a “profound revelation." The memo goes on to blame the Biden administration for coercing “healthy young children” into having these vaccinations “that could result in death.”
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December first, and for
the first time, the US government is acknowledging that the
COVID vaccine killed American children. The reaction from the medical
community prove it, and with that, welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. Roades. We saw this headline over
the weekend, and we knew a lot of people are
(00:23):
going to miss it because of the holiday weekend. But
this is jarring. They are saying, flat out, our government
is that the COVID vaccine is directly responsible for killing kids.
This is going to freak people out.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yes, who wouldn't have otherwise died. And they're saying that
that actually is a low estimate if you read this
full memo, which we did, and it becomes more and
more frightening as you get into the details that were released.
But yes, they are claiming that that is a conservative number.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What you said just said, it's frightening. It's frightening if
it's true, But the most frightening part might be if
it's not true.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was just gonna say it's frightening either way.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It says dangerous and irresponsible what they have done with
this putting this out.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now absolutely because this isn't just them announcing, hey, it
looks like the COVID nineteen vaccine killed children, but they
are also putting out there that they plan to change.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The review and approval process for this vaccine.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And do you have fair We're going to get into, folks.
This memo, this memo that was sent by the essentially
the vaccine head over there at the FDA. Now this
mimo he adds in there at the bottom. I think
you saw he didn't want this to come out. I
don't know why he thought this wouldn't come out, of
course it is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, he said he thought that this memo, among others,
should remain private. And that's hilarious because once you say
something as controversial as this memo says, and then say,
by the way, this should probably stay between us, that's
a hilarious thought that he believed that would actually happen.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Don't we all do that? If somebody pools you to
the side today and say, hey, don't tell anybody else,
the first thing you're thinking is old, who can I tell?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's what he does in eighth what they say that
several pays three thousand word memo where he lays all
this stuff out. So, yes, what we're talking about focus
came out on the news came out on Friday. I
believe at least we think about this is Black Friday,
it's the Thanksgiving weekend. A lot of people probably miss
this news, but it certainly got our attention. And what
we're talking about is there is an FDA memo that claims, yes,
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that COVID directly responsible for the death of at least
ten kids, and like you said, rose because of that.
It's not they just said it. They are actually saying
they're going to change and using this now as their
reasoning and their excuse for now having the go ahead
to possibly change vaccine approval processes in this country. And
(02:51):
this has far reaching ramifications. But is this really should
we be surprised? Isn't this this continued assault on vaccines
by this administration?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, and this has been the concern among medical professionals
in this country and some very well respected agencies. Pointing
the finger directly A K. Junior saying he is putting
people anti vaxxers basically in charge of how we promote,
(03:20):
how we review, how we recommend vaccines. So he is
putting people who are skeptics already skeptical of vaccines and
putting them in charge of our country's vaccination protocols, and
that is what is scary, and that is why we
have seen countless resignations in this specific agency, but throughout
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Health and Human Services, we have seen people saying, I
want to be zero part of this because this is
actually dangerous. This isn't just about disagreeing. This is they say,
putting American lives at risk.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I think we're all on board with we want
to make sure these things are as safe as possible.
There have been safeguards in place for a long time
that the medical community accepts that this is how it is. Now.
Things happened a little quicker during COVID, and I think
Roves is not the consensus that it's a good thing.
They happened quickly because it saved countless and countless and
(04:16):
countless lives.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And at the time, there was a lot of excitement
about the fact that we were able to create vaccine
so quickly because that had never happened before. And then
there was a thought that hey, if we can build
on this, maybe we can get a cancer vaccine, maybe
we can actually start to look at how we reacted
to COVID and react to other potentially fatal illnesses.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This was supposed to be huge. We could we could
stop the next pandemic and its tracks. We've learned so
much from this one. So the memo we're talking about
din't I didn't recognize his name. I don't know if
it's been out there in the news a lot, but
Vene prosad he's the FDA vaccine chief. So he puts
out this memo and the highlight is that, yes, ten
kids is what he said between the ages of excuse me,
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between the years of twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
four died their words quote after and because of receiving
the COVID vaccine. What we don't know. What they didn't include,
Robes is the age of these children, what their backgrounds
could have been, or anything else. Don't know which company's
vaccine they might have used. So he just said that
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and that was it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Or the children's medical history, which is what a lot
of people are pointing to. We don't know if any
of these children had underlying medical conditions.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
We don't know what.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
These kids' health were before they received this vaccine. We
don't know any of that, which is obviously tatamount to
being able to draw this conclusion.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So they drew their own conclusions. So what is the
evidence that they used. Well, the medical community ropes right
now is saying that there is none. They actually are saying,
show us some evidence, some proof of what you're talking about,
make it public.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And certainly what we saw on this memo was not
peer reviewed, which is the gold standard before you release
any sort of recommendation or information. There are plenty of
conclusions anyone who has been in your science lab knows
you can do. However, many experiments you have to have
this all checked and reviewed, and you can get different
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results based on slightly different circumstances. So yes, it seems
to be a rush to judgment a major headline that
has massive implications with zero information.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So we asked, then why would they do this, Why
would they say this? And yes, this is not us,
but the medical community and folks who have been critical
of RFK Junior and what they are doing at AHHS
right now says this just goes in line. This is
almost there, just next step and shouldn't be surprised that
so many people talking about in this administration how vaccines
could possibly be bad or harmful, and want to review
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them and want to change how we through the whole process.
This just kind of goes in line with that for
the most part. And Robes also, they've been asked for
evidence of things in the past and didn't give it.
So this was such a headline, it was such a
head scratch, It was such a shocker. But at the
same time, is this not, Robes in line with what
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the administration has been doing? Is this a step above
or maybe any worse than so many of the other
moves we've seen.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is among This is among them, and this is
at the top perhaps for anyone who has a child
where you're deciding, you're making decisions now, And this is
the interesting thing. This is so confusing to parents because
you've got medical community saying one thing, You've got your
government saying another. You've got probably the folks and the
other parents you're talking to having a mixed review, and
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now you're deciding whether or not to vaccinate your child
with all of these confusing headlines. Without a medical degree,
you're literally placing all of this worry and concern now
in the hands of parents who aren't medically trained, and
I just I'm very happy that this wasn't all circulating
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when I was making decisions.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's a scary thought because.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We shouldn't be making choices like this without correct information.
And do we have correct information, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The problem with all of this robes is that the
net result might be more kids being harmed, because no
matter what, I don't know how this headline is going
to help more kids get vaccinated, whether it's COVID, MMR, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It vaccine, because that's a part of this as well.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because you hear vaccine now, and every parent is going
to go, well, wait a minute, Well maybe I'll delay
a couple of weeks, let me look into it another month.
And next thing you know, kids aren't being vaccinated. Now
they're going to get ill, which means they're possibly going
to pass it on to other kids. So the idea
of having fewer kids vaccin it is something that terrifies, Yes,
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terrifies doctors.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I grew up in a household with my dad
being a microbiologist and my brother became a doctor, and
both of them are pro vaccine. So I grew up
in a house where, in fact, my dad has been
you've seen it, been texting me did you and TJ get.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Your flu vaccine?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Annoyingly so like driving me crazy, like every day asking
me if I've done it or not. So yes, I
have funny enough pressure on the other side from my
family members who are scientists telling me to get vaccinated.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So the evidence, so we still have to We haven't
said this yet, but this is the evidence that they
are offering folks over at the FDA. I hadn't heard
of this thing before, Robes, how do you say? The
acronym V A E R S very psych But it's
called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. So they took
this system, which is from what I can tell Robes,
(09:54):
you and I could submit something on self reporting.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's not about doctors.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There you go, you self report and you can be
a regular citizen. You can be a doctor, you can
be a nurse, you could be anything, and you report
an adverse event having to do with whatever. And so
COVID here some people have reported. They notice some deaths,
and so they started making the connections and saying these
kids died of COVID based on the reporting from this
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adverse event reporting. Self reporting, self reporting. None of it's review.
They didn't dive into They just jumped to the conclusion.
And folks are shaking their heads where it's like you're
shaking yours right now, Just how can you?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because you can understand how a parent would want to
point to the vaccine instead of something that maybe they inherited,
or maybe something they did wrong, or maybe something they
didn't notice earlier in their child. So yes, I understand
the need to point the finger and blame pharmaceutical companies
or the government or some other reason why your child
died other than something genetic or something that perhaps was
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an underlying condition. Folks want to always point the finger,
So I could understand my self.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Reporting would completely not be reliable.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Do I have right? They didn't say in here exactly where,
They didn't say who was reporting these things? So aga,
ten parents, ten totally random folks. It could be ten
doctors we don't know, correct, Okay, So we're going to
share some excerpts now from this thing. Again, it was
a long mimoal, but we plucked out some of at
least what we think are some of the highlights, if
you will, Starting with I guess he kind of established
(11:26):
I think this was in the first paragraph.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, he said, staff have found that at least ten
children have died after and because of receiving COVID nineteen vaccination.
These deaths are related to vaccination, And then in parentheses
he put likely probable possible attribution made by staff. Okay,
that number is certainly an underestimate due to under reporting
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and inherent bias and attribution.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It goes on to say, they began investigating these again
veyer's reports of children who had died after administration of
the COVID nineteen vaccine. By late summer. They concluded that
there were in fact deaths, of fact this agency had
never publicly meant it, admitted, he's acknowledging here. This is
(12:13):
a big deal. What I'm saying is a big deal. Yeah,
and this is the first time.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yes, he said, the team has performed an initial analysis
of ninety six deaths between twenty twenty one and twenty
twenty four and concludes that no fewer than ten are related.
The real number is higher.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Again that so maybe twelve or twelve hundred.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Who knows. But to your point.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He then goes on to say, this is a profound
revelation for the first time, the US FDA will acknowledge
that COVID nineteen vaccines have killed American children period. Healthy
young children who faced tremendously low risk of death were
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coerced at the behest of the Biden administration via school
and work mandates to receive a vaccine that could result
in death. In many cases, such mandates were harmful. That
means he is saying the mandate to get vaccinated harmed.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Children is and Biden killed them. Yes, that is what
he is saying.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It is difficult to read cases where kids aged seven
to sixteen may be dead as a result of COVID vaccines.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's strong and that's scary If a parent reads that,
I mean, what are you supposed to do? That is
I mean he believes what he believes. You have to
have some kind This is one group saying this, and
we're supposed to If we're supposed to trust the government
and the FDA, we're supposed to doctors at least, even
if you say I don't want to trust the government,
we're supposed to be able to trust.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Is if this is as profound as he says it is,
If this is as provable as he claims it is,
put why would you not throw this out to the
world and say warning, we've just discovered a deadly link.
Why keep this private? Why not provide the proof? It's
(14:14):
so scary?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay she used the word scary. Y'all heard that, right, folks. Well,
the excerpts we've read you not even the scariest part
of this memo. Stay here, we will read you what
we definitely think was the scariest line we saw in
this memo. And exactly what is the pushback from the
medical community. It's huge, it's big. It's almost a consensus,
(14:36):
and that consensus is this is BS. We continue here
now with the headline that a lot of parents might
have missed over the weekend. It was I guess the
headlines came out during the Thanksgiving weekend that, in fact,
the US government is saying that the COVID nineteen vaccine
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is directly responsible. They're making a direct link to the
deaths of at least ten kids. They say the number
could be much higher. The proof they offered scarce at
this point of depending on an adverse system and adverse
event system that allows just about anybody to just report
adverse events having to do with COVID nineteen. It's not
(15:22):
something to used as the standard as proof of anything,
quite frankly, and this has not been peer reviewed. We
talked about this memo roads, and I think you and
I read it at two different times this morning here
as we were getting ready and you were I was
listening and focused completely on something else, and I kept
getting interrupted because you were like, oh my god, what,
oh god. I mean, it was kind of a bombshell
(15:44):
after bombshell. But we pointed out, I think you and
I both had in common this next line both jumped out.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Of the Yes, we both said this was the scariest
line that we read in this memo, and there were
plenty of them. The memo asks this question and goes
on to say what it thinks, did COVID nineteen vaccine
programs kill more healthy.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Kids than it saved?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We do not have reliable data estimating the absolute benefit
the absolute risk reduction regarding severe disease and death in
healthy children from vaccine receipt. So the implication is that
they are saying, potentially the vaccine killed more kids than
it saved.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, by saying we don't know or don't have reliable data,
you can't be a top health official if he believes
this by all means, man and get in front of
a podium and scream this out please. But that's a
direct question, robes, did it kill more than it saved?
And the response is, we don't have reliable data. I
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don't know. I mean just oh no, we're not doctors.
But is there anyone who would step out and as
is ask that question, would say, don't know. That's a question.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I'm fear mongering in it. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And is it based on in fact? No, it's not
based on fact. Because he basically says it's not based
in fact. He goes on to say, we do not
know how many fewer kids would have died had they
been vaccinated, And we do not know how many more
kids died from taking vaccines than has been voluntarily reported. Instead,
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the truth is we do not know if we saved
lives on balance.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Damn Ah, I mean damn. He actually is saying we
don't know if the COVID nineteen vaccine worked or not.
We don't know if it did a good job of
saving kids or not. That's crazy. I mean, if that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And it applies in the face of what we've heard
from just about every single other medical organization in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Outside of this administer. I guess you could probably argue,
but this robes was all just stunning to me. What
do we do with it now? And where do we
go if nothing happens, we are still I bet they'll
be able to measure this in the next couple of years.
A drop in vaccines A.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Drop, absolutely, we're already seeing that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And here's the other. This is this line, to me
tells you exactly what his mindset is. This is the head,
this is the vaccine chief at the FDA. Listen to
this line. The US government's coercive and unethical COVID nineteen
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vaccine mandates and young people may have been harmful. He
is saying that the vaccines were on the mandates were unethical.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He is coming at this with that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Viewpoint and looking at this through that lens, and it
is one hundred percent of political lens to look through.
And that's concerning when you're talking about a doctor somebody
who was in charge of mandating vaccine protocol to this country.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But yeah, we always saw I mean, from the president
on down, he gets his people in place that will
carry out his orders and this guy looks like a
good soldier of RFK JR. Perhaps now this this next
line year I put in, ha ha ha, just to
I couldn't believe this one. And this was you and
I have been talking. You keep saying, come out, say this,
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put this out publicly, yell screen let us know.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
If true.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You should, you absolutely should. But he in the last
paragraphers though he wrote this to his staff right quote,
I believe these debates should be private internal to FDA
until they are ready to be made public. What do
you make of that line?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
First of all, well, I thought it was interesting that
he called it a debate after he very much in
this memo acted as if it were.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Truth, and then he at the end called it a debate.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Okay, he said it's really private internal to FDA until
they are ready to be made public. That part of it.
Do you think this memo? It seemed definitive to me.
Didn't seem like we were a yay, let me just
put this out there.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It didn't seem like a debate, and it seemed as
though perhaps he wanted it to get out by even
putting that line in, because you're actually now flagging it. Hey, everybody,
look at this unbelievable, never before seen, you know, like
jaw dropping headline.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But don't tell anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Maybe it was a mole hunt. He's trying to I
told John not to tell nobody. Now he can go
fire who he wants. If he figures out who put
this thing out. He goes, Oh no, this is the
part quote. I don't endorse selective reporting of our meetings
and documents. Some staff may not agree with these core
principles and operating principles. Please submit your resignation letters to
your supervisor and c see my deputy. He said, you
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don't like it, leave.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
That sounds like the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
May not agree with these principles and operating principles. But dear,
shouldn't we have debate. I want the FDA, the doctors
and there arguing left and right over what's the right
course of action? He said, get on board. Please submit
your resignation letters or you won't.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Have a job.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So either you agree with what we're serving here or
you need to leave. And that's concerning because in fact,
in the same paragraph where he acknowledged a debate, he
then quashed any debate in the next line, Oh yeah,
So that's concerning in and of itself, right.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Chief the debate internal don't like the debate.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Leave, so basically there is no debate.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, So we've talked about here that so there
is going to be some real meat to what's happening here.
They said there are going to re examine the approval
process of vaccines that includes the flu vaccine. The concern
there is it going to slow down the process, is
going to make it more difficult. So that means it's
going to possibly make it harder for people to get
access to these vaccines, and that is going to be
bad for the overall health of the country. That is
with doctors will tell you, and all those doctors robes
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have been pushing back, and what I keep hearing is okay, yeah,
we're listening, give us the proof. Right Doctors, at least
the responses I've seen aren't getting into a political back
and forth. They say, okay, give us the proof. Otherwise
what you're doing is hurting the health of this guy guests.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And look, you don't have to have a medical degree
to know that they if they are truly basing this
on self reporting.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That's hogwash.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, that's for lack of a better term, anyone
over a certain age understands that that can't possibly be
the basis for a seismic shift in how we're viewing
the COVID nineteen vaccine, the influenza vaccine because of self reporting.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yes, that is not how this works and why this
is all now timely robes. At the end of this week,
the Advisory Committee of Humanization Practices, that is the big
dog agency that makes the call about vaccines and vaccine
schedules for kids. They are reviewing the vaccine schedule for children.
We knew this was happening Rose, but the meeting is
on December fourth, the December fifth, the end of this week,
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so rest assured. This is going to be very hot
and active topic all week.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We will be keeping our eye on this because obviously
the concern is that this could absolutely change, as some
medical professionals say, upend the childhood vaccination schedule, which will
impact not just your child, but children all throughout this country.
So we will stay on top of this. But thank
you for listening to us. Everyone on Amy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Robock alongside DJ Holmes. We will talk to you soon
Hey there, folks. It is Monday, December first, and for
the first time, the US government is acknowledging that the
COVID vaccine killed American children. The reaction from the medical
community prove it, and with that, welcome to this episode
of Amy and TJ. Roades. We saw this headline over
the weekend, and we knew a lot of people are
(00:23):
going to miss it because of the holiday weekend. But
this is jarring. They are saying, flat out, our government
is that the COVID vaccine is directly responsible for killing kids.
This is going to freak people out.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yes, who wouldn't have otherwise died. And they're saying that
that actually is a low estimate if you read this
full memo, which we did, and it becomes more and
more frightening as you get into the details that were released.
But yes, they are claiming that that is a conservative number.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
What you said just said, it's frightening. It's frightening if
it's true, But the most frightening part might be if
it's not true.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was just gonna say it's frightening either way.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It says dangerous and irresponsible what they have done with
this putting this out.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now absolutely because this isn't just them announcing, hey, it
looks like the COVID nineteen vaccine killed children, but they
are also putting out there that they plan to change.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The review and approval process for this vaccine.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And do you have fair We're going to get into, folks.
This memo, this memo that was sent by the essentially
the vaccine head over there at the FDA. Now this
mimo he adds in there at the bottom. I think
you saw he didn't want this to come out. I
don't know why he thought this wouldn't come out, of
course it is.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, he said he thought that this memo, among others,
should remain private. And that's hilarious because once you say
something as controversial as this memo says, and then say,
by the way, this should probably stay between us, that's
a hilarious thought that he believed that would actually happen.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Don't we all do that? If somebody pools you to
the side today and say, hey, don't tell anybody else,
the first thing you're thinking is old, who can I tell?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's what he does in eighth what they say that
several pays three thousand word memo where he lays all
this stuff out. So, yes, what we're talking about focus
came out on the news came out on Friday. I
believe at least we think about this is Black Friday,
it's the Thanksgiving weekend. A lot of people probably miss
this news, but it certainly got our attention. And what
we're talking about is there is an FDA memo that claims, yes,
(02:30):
that COVID directly responsible for the death of at least
ten kids, and like you said, rose because of that.
It's not they just said it. They are actually saying
they're going to change and using this now as their
reasoning and their excuse for now having the go ahead
to possibly change vaccine approval processes in this country. And
(02:51):
this has far reaching ramifications. But is this really should
we be surprised? Isn't this this continued assault on vaccines
by this administration?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, and this has been the concern among medical professionals
in this country and some very well respected agencies. Pointing
the finger directly A K. Junior saying he is putting
people anti vaxxers basically in charge of how we promote,
(03:20):
how we review, how we recommend vaccines. So he is
putting people who are skeptics already skeptical of vaccines and
putting them in charge of our country's vaccination protocols, and
that is what is scary, and that is why we
have seen countless resignations in this specific agency, but throughout
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Health and Human Services, we have seen people saying, I
want to be zero part of this because this is
actually dangerous. This isn't just about disagreeing. This is they say,
putting American lives at risk.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I think we're all on board with we want
to make sure these things are as safe as possible.
There have been safeguards in place for a long time
that the medical community accepts that this is how it is. Now.
Things happened a little quicker during COVID, and I think
Roves is not the consensus that it's a good thing.
They happened quickly because it saved countless and countless and
(04:16):
countless lives.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And at the time, there was a lot of excitement
about the fact that we were able to create vaccine
so quickly because that had never happened before. And then
there was a thought that hey, if we can build
on this, maybe we can get a cancer vaccine, maybe
we can actually start to look at how we reacted
to COVID and react to other potentially fatal illnesses.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This was supposed to be huge. We could we could
stop the next pandemic and its tracks. We've learned so
much from this one. So the memo we're talking about
din't I didn't recognize his name. I don't know if
it's been out there in the news a lot, but
Vene prosad he's the FDA vaccine chief. So he puts
out this memo and the highlight is that, yes, ten
kids is what he said between the ages of excuse me,
(05:00):
between the years of twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
four died their words quote after and because of receiving
the COVID vaccine. What we don't know. What they didn't include,
Robes is the age of these children, what their backgrounds
could have been, or anything else. Don't know which company's
vaccine they might have used. So he just said that
(05:22):
and that was it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Or the children's medical history, which is what a lot
of people are pointing to. We don't know if any
of these children had underlying medical conditions.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
We don't know what.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
These kids' health were before they received this vaccine. We
don't know any of that, which is obviously tatamount to
being able to draw this conclusion.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So they drew their own conclusions. So what is the
evidence that they used. Well, the medical community ropes right
now is saying that there is none. They actually are saying,
show us some evidence, some proof of what you're talking about,
make it public.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And certainly what we saw on this memo was not
peer reviewed, which is the gold standard before you release
any sort of recommendation or information. There are plenty of
conclusions anyone who has been in your science lab knows
you can do. However, many experiments you have to have
this all checked and reviewed, and you can get different
(06:22):
results based on slightly different circumstances. So yes, it seems
to be a rush to judgment a major headline that
has massive implications with zero information.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So we asked, then why would they do this, Why
would they say this? And yes, this is not us,
but the medical community and folks who have been critical
of RFK Junior and what they are doing at AHHS
right now says this just goes in line. This is
almost there, just next step and shouldn't be surprised that
so many people talking about in this administration how vaccines
could possibly be bad or harmful, and want to review
(06:58):
them and want to change how we through the whole process.
This just kind of goes in line with that for
the most part. And Robes also, they've been asked for
evidence of things in the past and didn't give it.
So this was such a headline, it was such a
head scratch, It was such a shocker. But at the
same time, is this not, Robes in line with what
(07:19):
the administration has been doing? Is this a step above
or maybe any worse than so many of the other
moves we've seen.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is among This is among them, and this is
at the top perhaps for anyone who has a child
where you're deciding, you're making decisions now, And this is
the interesting thing. This is so confusing to parents because
you've got medical community saying one thing, You've got your
government saying another. You've got probably the folks and the
other parents you're talking to having a mixed review, and
(07:50):
now you're deciding whether or not to vaccinate your child
with all of these confusing headlines. Without a medical degree,
you're literally placing all of this worry and concern now
in the hands of parents who aren't medically trained, and
I just I'm very happy that this wasn't all circulating
(08:11):
when I was making decisions.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's a scary thought because.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
We shouldn't be making choices like this without correct information.
And do we have correct information, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The problem with all of this robes is that the
net result might be more kids being harmed, because no
matter what, I don't know how this headline is going
to help more kids get vaccinated, whether it's COVID, MMR, whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
It vaccine, because that's a part of this as well.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Because you hear vaccine now, and every parent is going
to go, well, wait a minute, Well maybe I'll delay
a couple of weeks, let me look into it another month.
And next thing you know, kids aren't being vaccinated. Now
they're going to get ill, which means they're possibly going
to pass it on to other kids. So the idea
of having fewer kids vaccin it is something that terrifies, Yes,
(09:02):
terrifies doctors.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I grew up in a household with my dad
being a microbiologist and my brother became a doctor, and
both of them are pro vaccine. So I grew up
in a house where, in fact, my dad has been
you've seen it, been texting me did you and TJ get.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Your flu vaccine?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Annoyingly so like driving me crazy, like every day asking
me if I've done it or not. So yes, I
have funny enough pressure on the other side from my
family members who are scientists telling me to get vaccinated.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So the evidence, so we still have to We haven't
said this yet, but this is the evidence that they
are offering folks over at the FDA. I hadn't heard
of this thing before, Robes, how do you say? The
acronym V A E R S very psych But it's
called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. So they took
this system, which is from what I can tell Robes,
(09:54):
you and I could submit something on self reporting.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It's not about doctors.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
There you go, you self report and you can be
a regular citizen. You can be a doctor, you can
be a nurse, you could be anything, and you report
an adverse event having to do with whatever. And so
COVID here some people have reported. They notice some deaths,
and so they started making the connections and saying these
kids died of COVID based on the reporting from this
(10:22):
adverse event reporting. Self reporting, self reporting. None of it's review.
They didn't dive into They just jumped to the conclusion.
And folks are shaking their heads where it's like you're
shaking yours right now, Just how can you?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Because you can understand how a parent would want to
point to the vaccine instead of something that maybe they inherited,
or maybe something they did wrong, or maybe something they
didn't notice earlier in their child. So yes, I understand
the need to point the finger and blame pharmaceutical companies
or the government or some other reason why your child
died other than something genetic or something that perhaps was
(10:58):
an underlying condition. Folks want to always point the finger,
So I could understand my self.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Reporting would completely not be reliable.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Do I have right? They didn't say in here exactly where,
They didn't say who was reporting these things? So aga,
ten parents, ten totally random folks. It could be ten
doctors we don't know, correct, Okay, So we're going to
share some excerpts now from this thing. Again, it was
a long mimoal, but we plucked out some of at
least what we think are some of the highlights, if
you will, Starting with I guess he kind of established
(11:26):
I think this was in the first paragraph.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yes, he said, staff have found that at least ten
children have died after and because of receiving COVID nineteen vaccination.
These deaths are related to vaccination, And then in parentheses
he put likely probable possible attribution made by staff. Okay,
that number is certainly an underestimate due to under reporting
(11:50):
and inherent bias and attribution.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It goes on to say, they began investigating these again
veyer's reports of children who had died after administration of
the COVID nineteen vaccine. By late summer. They concluded that
there were in fact deaths, of fact this agency had
never publicly meant it, admitted, he's acknowledging here. This is
(12:13):
a big deal. What I'm saying is a big deal. Yeah,
and this is the first time.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yes, he said, the team has performed an initial analysis
of ninety six deaths between twenty twenty one and twenty
twenty four and concludes that no fewer than ten are related.
The real number is higher.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Again that so maybe twelve or twelve hundred.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Who knows. But to your point.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He then goes on to say, this is a profound
revelation for the first time, the US FDA will acknowledge
that COVID nineteen vaccines have killed American children period. Healthy
young children who faced tremendously low risk of death were
(12:58):
coerced at the behest of the Biden administration via school
and work mandates to receive a vaccine that could result
in death. In many cases, such mandates were harmful. That
means he is saying the mandate to get vaccinated harmed.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Children is and Biden killed them. Yes, that is what
he is saying.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It is difficult to read cases where kids aged seven
to sixteen may be dead as a result of COVID vaccines.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's strong and that's scary If a parent reads that,
I mean, what are you supposed to do? That is
I mean he believes what he believes. You have to
have some kind This is one group saying this, and
we're supposed to If we're supposed to trust the government
and the FDA, we're supposed to doctors at least, even
if you say I don't want to trust the government,
we're supposed to be able to trust.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Is if this is as profound as he says it is,
If this is as provable as he claims it is,
put why would you not throw this out to the
world and say warning, we've just discovered a deadly link.
Why keep this private? Why not provide the proof? It's
(14:14):
so scary?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay she used the word scary. Y'all heard that, right, folks. Well,
the excerpts we've read you not even the scariest part
of this memo. Stay here, we will read you what
we definitely think was the scariest line we saw in
this memo. And exactly what is the pushback from the
medical community. It's huge, it's big. It's almost a consensus,
(14:36):
and that consensus is this is BS. We continue here
now with the headline that a lot of parents might
have missed over the weekend. It was I guess the
headlines came out during the Thanksgiving weekend that, in fact,
the US government is saying that the COVID nineteen vaccine
(15:01):
is directly responsible. They're making a direct link to the
deaths of at least ten kids. They say the number
could be much higher. The proof they offered scarce at
this point of depending on an adverse system and adverse
event system that allows just about anybody to just report
adverse events having to do with COVID nineteen. It's not
(15:22):
something to used as the standard as proof of anything,
quite frankly, and this has not been peer reviewed. We
talked about this memo roads, and I think you and
I read it at two different times this morning here
as we were getting ready and you were I was
listening and focused completely on something else, and I kept
getting interrupted because you were like, oh my god, what,
oh god. I mean, it was kind of a bombshell
(15:44):
after bombshell. But we pointed out, I think you and
I both had in common this next line both jumped out.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Of the Yes, we both said this was the scariest
line that we read in this memo, and there were
plenty of them. The memo asks this question and goes
on to say what it thinks, did COVID nineteen vaccine
programs kill more healthy.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Kids than it saved?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
We do not have reliable data estimating the absolute benefit
the absolute risk reduction regarding severe disease and death in
healthy children from vaccine receipt. So the implication is that
they are saying, potentially the vaccine killed more kids than
it saved.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, by saying we don't know or don't have reliable data,
you can't be a top health official if he believes
this by all means, man and get in front of
a podium and scream this out please. But that's a
direct question, robes, did it kill more than it saved?
And the response is, we don't have reliable data. I
(16:51):
don't know. I mean just oh no, we're not doctors.
But is there anyone who would step out and as
is ask that question, would say, don't know. That's a question.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I'm fear mongering in it. Oh god.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And is it based on in fact? No, it's not
based on fact. Because he basically says it's not based
in fact. He goes on to say, we do not
know how many fewer kids would have died had they
been vaccinated, And we do not know how many more
kids died from taking vaccines than has been voluntarily reported. Instead,
(17:31):
the truth is we do not know if we saved
lives on balance.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Damn Ah, I mean damn. He actually is saying we
don't know if the COVID nineteen vaccine worked or not.
We don't know if it did a good job of
saving kids or not. That's crazy. I mean, if that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And it applies in the face of what we've heard
from just about every single other medical organization in the world.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Outside of this administer. I guess you could probably argue,
but this robes was all just stunning to me. What
do we do with it now? And where do we
go if nothing happens, we are still I bet they'll
be able to measure this in the next couple of years.
A drop in vaccines A.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Drop, absolutely, we're already seeing that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And here's the other. This is this line, to me
tells you exactly what his mindset is. This is the head,
this is the vaccine chief at the FDA. Listen to
this line. The US government's coercive and unethical COVID nineteen
(18:38):
vaccine mandates and young people may have been harmful. He
is saying that the vaccines were on the mandates were unethical.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He is coming at this with that.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Viewpoint and looking at this through that lens, and it
is one hundred percent of political lens to look through.
And that's concerning when you're talking about a doctor somebody
who was in charge of mandating vaccine protocol to this country.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But yeah, we always saw I mean, from the president
on down, he gets his people in place that will
carry out his orders and this guy looks like a
good soldier of RFK JR. Perhaps now this this next
line year I put in, ha ha ha, just to
I couldn't believe this one. And this was you and
I have been talking. You keep saying, come out, say this,
(19:28):
put this out publicly, yell screen let us know.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
If true.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You should, you absolutely should. But he in the last
paragraphers though he wrote this to his staff right quote,
I believe these debates should be private internal to FDA
until they are ready to be made public. What do
you make of that line?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
First of all, well, I thought it was interesting that
he called it a debate after he very much in
this memo acted as if it were.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Truth, and then he at the end called it a debate.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Okay, he said it's really private internal to FDA until
they are ready to be made public. That part of it.
Do you think this memo? It seemed definitive to me.
Didn't seem like we were a yay, let me just
put this out there.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
It didn't seem like a debate, and it seemed as
though perhaps he wanted it to get out by even
putting that line in, because you're actually now flagging it. Hey, everybody,
look at this unbelievable, never before seen, you know, like
jaw dropping headline.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But don't tell anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Maybe it was a mole hunt. He's trying to I
told John not to tell nobody. Now he can go
fire who he wants. If he figures out who put
this thing out. He goes, Oh no, this is the
part quote. I don't endorse selective reporting of our meetings
and documents. Some staff may not agree with these core
principles and operating principles. Please submit your resignation letters to
your supervisor and c see my deputy. He said, you
(20:53):
don't like it, leave.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
That sounds like the Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
May not agree with these principles and operating principles. But dear,
shouldn't we have debate. I want the FDA, the doctors
and there arguing left and right over what's the right
course of action? He said, get on board. Please submit
your resignation letters or you won't.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Have a job.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So either you agree with what we're serving here or
you need to leave. And that's concerning because in fact,
in the same paragraph where he acknowledged a debate, he
then quashed any debate in the next line, Oh yeah,
So that's concerning in and of itself, right.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Chief the debate internal don't like the debate.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Leave, so basically there is no debate.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
All right, So we've talked about here that so there
is going to be some real meat to what's happening here.
They said there are going to re examine the approval
process of vaccines that includes the flu vaccine. The concern
there is it going to slow down the process, is
going to make it more difficult. So that means it's
going to possibly make it harder for people to get
access to these vaccines, and that is going to be
bad for the overall health of the country. That is
with doctors will tell you, and all those doctors robes
(22:02):
have been pushing back, and what I keep hearing is okay, yeah,
we're listening, give us the proof. Right Doctors, at least
the responses I've seen aren't getting into a political back
and forth. They say, okay, give us the proof. Otherwise
what you're doing is hurting the health of this guy guests.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And look, you don't have to have a medical degree
to know that they if they are truly basing this
on self reporting.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That's hogwash.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, that's for lack of a better term, anyone
over a certain age understands that that can't possibly be
the basis for a seismic shift in how we're viewing
the COVID nineteen vaccine, the influenza vaccine because of self reporting.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yes, that is not how this works and why this
is all now timely robes. At the end of this week,
the Advisory Committee of Humanization Practices, that is the big
dog agency that makes the call about vaccines and vaccine
schedules for kids. They are reviewing the vaccine schedule for children.
We knew this was happening Rose, but the meeting is
on December fourth, the December fifth, the end of this week,
(23:12):
so rest assured. This is going to be very hot
and active topic all week.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We will be keeping our eye on this because obviously
the concern is that this could absolutely change, as some
medical professionals say, upend the childhood vaccination schedule, which will
impact not just your child, but children all throughout this country.
So we will stay on top of this. But thank
you for listening to us. Everyone on Amy.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Robock alongside DJ Holmes. We will talk to you soon
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