March 8, 2026 • 27 mins
Actor Timothée Chalamet has pissed off the ballet and opera community after a comment he made during a town hall event. Chalamet said he didn’t want to end working in ballet or opera where artists are trying to keeps something alive that no one cares about anymore. The backlash has been swift and fierce, with some artists calling Chalamet’s character into question.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, that folks say is Sunday, March eighth, one week away,
possibly from Timothy shallow May picking up an oscar for
Best Actor. But before he gets to that stage, he
is going to have to get through some pissed off
ballet dancers and opera singers. And with that, welcome to
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this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Roapes.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm not sure how they're coming after Timothy's shallo May.
This is a this is a beef in the arts.
Is this what it looks like?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes? Unfortunately, Look, I believe he said these comments a
couple of weeks ago, but they have just been trickling
out and now it's reached a fever pitch. And this
is a very important time for any actor who is
leading up to the Oscars. Of course, they're on these
campaign pitches and they're out there and they're doing interviews
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because they're revving up excitement about their movie that's been
nominated or their role that's been nominated. And Timothy s
Challomay was just shooting it with Matthew McConaughey and at
town Hall and maybe just was a little too unguarded.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it was in articulate, it was not well thought out.
But it's not the end of the world. But it is.
If you listen to a lot of folks in the arts,
we get it. So so back up here, you've probably
seen a lot of the headlines. I think some of
these things are cool. I haven't watched them, but some
of the pairings are cool. Variety started putting actors together.
It's called actors on actors, right. There have been some
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cool pairings that I've seen that I haven't stopped and
watched any of them, but it looks what Adam Sandler
and Ariana Grande did one together. I remember the images,
but this is what this was. Timothy Chalamey and Matthew mcconnie.
That's kind of a cool pairing as well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, I love it because when you have someone who
has been through it, or who knows what you've been through,
there's just a level of trust and a conversation that
can be at a different level than when it's from
a journalist or somebody who's trying to get answers. There's
a comfort level, there's a trust level, and you end
up getting really fascinating conversations because everyone feels comfortable. The
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problem is when you feel comfortable, maybe you say things
that aren't politically correct.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And look, this is the first one I've seen Robes
that they had a studio audience for. They set this
one up kind of as a town hall. Yes, these
actors are a big enough deal that you would do that,
So it was very casual in this whole setup. Now, Robes,
you heard the comments. I think a lot of people
have probably more read the comments than listen to them.
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We're going to let you all hear them here in
just a second. It's a fifty eight second clip. We'll
give you the right context. Let me get your opinion
first of all, Robes, just in hearing the whole thing
and the whole context, is the uproar, the criticism, the
outrage to a certain degree warranted.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't think so. I think people need to take
themselves a little less seriously and recognize that everyone is
entitled to an opinion, and it's okay even if it's
a fact that ballet audiences and opera audiences might be dwindling. Look,
I don't know the numbers. I don't know what it's
relative to. I know that I love the show The
Gilded Age, where everything is about the opera and when
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the met came about, and that was the big highlight
of the week, The big social event of the week
was to go to the opera. Times have changed, and
I think he was referencing changing times, changing behavior. And
really they were specifically talking about the attention span of
younger audiences, how movies are getting shorter, and talking about
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dying brands of art. I understand it in the context.
He was being honest and he had some facts to
back up what he was saying. For folks to get
so upset in the opera and ballet communities, Look, that's
one of those things where when you get triggered, you
have to, instead of being upset about the person who
said something, ask yourselves why you took such offense to it.
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Why was that so offensive to you? Why were you
so triggered? I think both sides need to ask themselves
some questions.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That is okay when you put it that, that is
a very diplomatic and therapeutic way to look at this
whole situation. You're right, he struck the nerve robes because
he said something that's actually probably right. He said it
in the wrong way. Now, I will say he and
he didn't have to mention. This had nothing to do,
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but he made a point and he used ballet and
opera to make it, and they probably don't appreciate being
that example for what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And I think also to your point, I think where
you were going with is Timothy Chalomay is at the
top of his game. He is the it boy, he
is the goat. He is just kind of everything. So
when you're on top of your mountain, you have to
be very careful not to take shots at people who
might be in valley.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Let's let you hear it and we'll get her on
the other side here. But this is him sitting talking
to Matthew McConaughey. They have a small studio audience around them. Again,
the conversation was about how I mean they were actually
saying Act two's are moving up. They're making a point
about movies and shows that producers and studios don't. They say,
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people have short attention spans, so we don't have time
for building the story with an act one. We got
to get right to the action in act two. That
was the setup to this conversation. He was making the
point and I think is a good one robes that
if you have a higher piece of art, that if
you have a very serious movie, you almost have to
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promote it as such and let people know what you're
going into otherwise you'll lose.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Them, correct, And I think that is a fair way
to look at it. We see our kids, We see
everybody with these short attention spans. They won't even finish
a song. My daughters will move on because they're like, eh,
I'm done with this song. You look and see how
people scroll. You watch half a video on board now
swipe up, And that is absolutely translated to what people
will and won't go sit through at a movie theater,
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let alone a live theater event.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So he's making a point about his career and moving forward.
Do I want to be a guy who's doing these
more serious things and trying to keep an art alive
or keep a movie theater alive. That is the context
for the conversation. And this, though, is the comment and
the answer that you got mister Timothy Jaalam in Trouble No.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But point being, I think, even like Frankenstein, which is
like a hugely popular movie this year, I didn't think
that pacing was extraordinarily fast or anything, but it pulled
people in, you know, but it does take you having
a wave of flag of hey, this is a serious
movie or something, and some people want to be entertained
and quickly. I'm really right in the middle of Matthew
because I admire people and I've done it myself. Do
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you want to talk to about, Hey, we got to
keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep
this genre alive. And another part of me feels like
if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer,
they're going to go see it and go out of
their way to be loud and proud of about it.
And I don't want to be working in ballet or
opera or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep
this thing alive. Even though he cares about this, all
respect to the ballet and opera people out there. I
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just lost fourteen cents in viewership. But I just took
shots for no reason.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's no shot.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I hear what you say.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, so okay, you see where he realized he misspoke,
He got uncomfortable, He did a fake little opera singing
at the end. There. The fourteen cents was a low blow.
That was a shot he shouldn't have said that, correct, Now,
that's the one I would say you should probably apologize.
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But that's the one that was a shot.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I thought, can I can I tell you something funny
about that specific moment. I Look, we'll get into all
the response, and there has been a tremendous amount of it.
But the one I really appreciated came from the Seattle Opera.
They're offering fourteen percent off tickets for its production of Carmen.
If you use the promo code, Timothy, that is.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How you respond. That is the right way to respond.
They had fun with it. Who is there's another one
that invited him to a show giving her tickets. Right,
That is how you go about it, Seattle.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I applaud you all for doing it. People are talking
about ballet and opera right now in a way that
they don't get it. Take advantage of the moment, Take
advantage by being fun, making fun of your soulful of
being self deprecating, understanding how gets extending an invitation, robes
and the reactions you're talking about, going after him personally,
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going after his character. This is the kind of person
he is. You need to apologize to your mother. These
are the high profile people. I'm not even talking about
regular responses his mother.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To that point, his mother was a ballet performer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His family, he knows.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Look, there's a part of it. Yes, I loved the
tongue in cheek and I liked what you said. Take
advantage of a moment where people are talking about ballet
and opera. When's the last time people in the mainstream
have been talking about ballet or opera. So look at
it as an opportunity, a way for it to now
be something people are maybe either rediscovering or looking at
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for the very first time, because there needs to be
an acknowledgment. This isn't some big art form that people
talk about going to often.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Look, we went to have access to by the way, correct.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I actually got tickets to the Met for the first
time when Annie was still in high school. It was
an auction and you and I went. Is the first
time I'd ever been to the opera in my life.
You and I both went and had one of the
best times of our lives.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And it happened to be a opera we didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We didn't know I was and it was the first
black opera. Correct, Met, It was amazing. But the point being,
we we live in New York City, we can afford tickets,
We are exposed to the arts, and you and I
had never been in my adult life or at any
point in my life, I've never been invited to the opera.
I never even thought about going to the opera, to
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be honest. So this is an option and an opportunity
for people to actually be exposed to something. Look at
it from that perspective and acknowledge it isn't on the
forefront of most people's minds when they think about what
they want to do for.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The weekend, and what do most people maybe think about
it when they think about ballet and opera something that's
not within my reach, not just as a matter of
getting there paying to get there, but it seems, quite frankly,
robes something for the elites.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It does because it has been because.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
This isn't for me. This isn't something I'm invited to
or welcome to, or this isn't something that comes to
my neighborhood. And all the people on stage don't look
like me. Thank you, Missy Copeland. Right, That's why she
was such a big deal and a mainstream artist, because
she looked different and she made it more relatable. So
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it doesn't help in my opinion. Robes. In some of
these answers and responses to Timothy Shallow, may I look
and go, oh, they are elites.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And it's so funny because they're calling him an elitist.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Hey, wait what some of the responses you have to
leave room, Robes. The talent of these folks is leus,
to be clear, is off the course freaking charts. And
they have been at this, most of them since they
were babies. We respect that and always want to respect
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that art. Robes. It doesn't it now certainly doesn't seem
like a place that most of us would be welcome
unless you what we have to talk about it the
exact way we can respect and can't we respect that
art but also the respect there's a reality to it
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right, Yes, And I think that's the point. They're out
of touch with reality in the sense that they're what
he said isn't untrue, and so why not take it,
have a conversation about it, and try to find a
way to be more inclusive and to make it more
relevant and to have it be a part of something
that folks feel like Hey, this could be fun to
be exposed to. And here's why it's cool. Today people
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think of it as a lost art form one hundred percent,
as something of days before, and also to your point,
just completely inaccessible and not something that is even considered,
and it isn't. It doesn't have anything to do with
the talent, the hard work, the beauty, the table the
respect of the art form, which is all of the above.
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So yeah, this has taking a turn that is unfortunate
for everybody. It's unfortunate for Timothy Shalomey. It's unfortunate for
the ballet and opera world as well, because mostly because
of the reaction to Chala May's comments.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And let's start with I think the New York the
Met kind of got the ball rolling in a major way.
And I didn't think what they put out was necessarily
negative or going after him. But they put a video
rogues not highlighting the performers, but highlighting the people behind
the scenes and all the work that goes into preparing
for a show and say, hey, Timothy, this one's for you.
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I get that, but he wasn't taking a shot at
those folks. I get that one wasn't so bad, but
he wasn't taking a shot at them, but that kind
of got things going in robes. From there, it seemed
like every opera house from here across the pond and
all some of the biggest names in that world started
to responding yes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And the reaction has been swift. It's been fierce, fierce.
Even SNL took a shot at Chalo May as well
on Saturday Night Live last night, actually, which I was
kind of surprised, but they made a point to make
a joke saying Timothy Chalomey has been criticized by major
opera and ballet organizations after he said no one cares
about those art forms. Well, then they said Chalomey made
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the comment on a press tour for his movie about
Ping Pong, and then they all started laughing, so you know,
they gave a little perspective and their point of view.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's this whole conversation is making the point that he
was making in that we we don't value the arts.
That's true, we don't. Everybody we agree. He made that
point in a way that offended you, but he's making
a point that we all agree with. Case endpoint. Exhibit
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A. A guy from a movie just mentions your art and
you're getting more pressed than you have in the past year.
That is how little we value your art versus his art.
That's the point. He said it wrong. Let's have that conversation, please.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's such a good way to put it. He did.
It wasn't a well thought out response. I will say though,
it's interesting now. People are of course all everybody wants
to jump on and pile on and find someone to
blame because we don't want to talk about maybe what
should be discussed about how we can value the arts better,
how we can have a more inclusive community. Let's just
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completely throw whatever we can on Timothy Shalome And people
are digging up other interviews that he's given in the past.
He has referenced this before. This isn't the first time
he's talked about opera or ballet being a dead art form.
He has said it multiple times in multiple interviews. For
some reason, this time was his undoing.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, people don't like it being said that away. Certainly,
people who are working and thriving, even very successful in
those arts, see it differently. He didn't have the numbers.
He didn't have right, if he'd come with some facts
to back it, up. Maybe they would have helped him out.
But stay here, folks. We'll let you hear some of
these words again from folks who are going after him,
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saying he should apologize to his mother. Folks are saying
this shows everything about his character. Even stay here, all right,
we continue here on this Sunday, a week from Oscar Sunday. Right,
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I got that right. Timothy Shallow may might be walking
across that stage to win an Oscar for Best Actor.
I hope he does a little ballet move as it
goes across.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know. I wonder what he seriously though. I mean,
that would actually be kind of awesome, be perfect. But
he's gonna walk the red carpet. I would imagine he's
going to get asked about this by virtually every Maybe
some people will be respectful and the excitement of the
day and they'll back away. But I wouldn't be surprised
if someone goes there and calls him out and asks him.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
About it, and maybe he has a better answer for
maybe he says it in a more articulate way. Maybe
whatever it may be, but the story is what it is.
When the first thing that got me, I just sometimes
it feels not necessarily authentic when it comes from certain area,
it feels like we're just taking advantage of a moment
and to beat up on the kid because we have
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the attention right now and we can. Some of it
felt that way and some didn't. I think you can
genuinely be offended by what he said and hate the
you know, almost make your shoulders go down a little bit.
You're slunk down in your seat, like, oh, this is
the thing I dedicate my life to. And a guy
who's a really big deal just pointed out that my
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art isn't a big deal. That stings like, hell.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I think you know. If he had said, you know,
the dying art form hit a nerve, But to say
no one cares, that's that's tough. And he was being flippant.
I mean, he's in his twenties, his early twenties. He's
he's old enough to probably know better, but you could
also say young enough to not recognize how one missed
way of describing something can set off a whole chain
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of events.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And we should say he does not get in trouble
as much as he is very much publican out there
and then MA cameras in his face, dating a Kardashian
and he has stayed fairly clean, has he not contramarkable?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But yes, and look, I think it's so important to
say everybody calmed down the ballet and opera world. I
think again, you can just you can be offended, you
can be sad, you can feel like, wow, he really
went there, and then maybe think, Okay, let's do better
at marketing ourselves. Let's do better at bringing this to
the world in a different way where people don't feel
like it's out of reach and out of touch. Perhaps
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and not with the times there are. This is an
opportunity and not one necessarily to throw stones across the
way and to go to start pointing fingers. That's when
it gets ugly. But yes, even the roy then they
start going into defense mode about how important ballet and
opera is and that also isn't maybe necessarily gonna land
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the way they want it to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Who's the audience for it, exactly, I would ask. I
mean it might be their own audience. They're in their
own world, and that is also okay. Royal Ballet and
Opera coming out with this saying ballet and opera have
never existed in isolation. They have continually informed, inspired, and
elevated other art forms. Their influence can be felt across theater, film,
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contemporary music, fashion, and beyond. For centuries, these disciplines have
shaped the way artists create an audience experienced culture, and
today millions of people around the world continue to enjoy
and engage with them. Well done, fine that it's always
worth pointing out the Royal ballet and opera. I have
not looked at your website in years, and I am
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now paying attention. That's a good thing to remind us
all of that. I like that statement.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I do too, and it's just yes, it's an opportunity.
They took advantage of it to talk about how wonderful
opera and ballet are. Great. Opera, tonight wrote, opera has
been around since the sixteenth century and is still alive
and well today. They later added this, what a shame,
This is just Timothy Chalome. What a shame that you
don't have respect.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
For other art forms?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Its top Okay, it's a little spanking right there. Oh,
you don't have unnecessary unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's how they feel. They feel they know him well
enough to know he doesn't respect any other art form
other than movie star.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, okay. Isabelle Leonard big, big big.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
She's a Grammy winner, three time Grammy winner, operation singly. Yeah,
she is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So she went there.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, this was strong, she said.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Honestly, I'm shocked that someone so seemingly successful can be
so ineloquent and narrow minded in his views about art
while considering himself as an artist. I would only imagine
one would as an actor to take cheap shots at
fellow artists, says more in this interview than anything else
he could say, shows a lot about his character. You
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don't have to like all art, but only a weak
person artist feels the need to diminish, in fact, the
very arts that would inspire those who are interested in
slowing down to do exactly that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I didn't understand that last part. It was a little ineloquent,
she might say, but I didn't understand what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
It is interesting, do you think when people take shots
that other people don't recognizing that they're actually taking shots
for the exact same reasons the other person did so
to call him weak for taking a shot at an artist,
that is exactly what she is doing right back to him.
I just always think It's interesting in those moments where
you can't even see that your reaction is actually on
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the same.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Level and to what you're saying here, I am I
am focused on it because she actually wrote it down.
This wasn't right. I don't think she wrote this out,
So there's no other way to kind of interpret or whatever.
It is the point she is calling him the exact
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thing she's complaining about being called exactly. So what do
we do ro This is the problem. And some of
these are where it's difficult in these who gets to
be the adult who gets to if someone does something wrong?
Can you meet them not at that wrong level, but
up a little bit and possibly elevate them up with you?
Is it possible? We don't have to go down and
meet Timothy where he is. Let's bring him up a
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little bit and elevate the conversation because it she took
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, oh she was. She was hurt. She was angry
and hurt. People hurt, and that's exactly what she did.
And he wasn't meaning to personally offend or hurt any
of these folks. That is that is absolutely true. He
was trying to make a point about attention spans dwindling
audiences and wanting to be with with where future trends
are versus staying in the past, where we hold on
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to certain things because we want them to stay the same.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He said it the wrong way. He said it the
wrong absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So couldn't she have just been like I know that
in his heart, he couldn't have meant what he said.
I recognize we have some work to do on getting
the word out about how beautiful opera is. Like you
could just have taken that stance.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Or didn't have to go she had to say I'm
pissed and that hurt. If you would have said that,
I would have gone, Okay, I feel you and that sister. Yeah,
she attacked him. She attacked his character, She attacked who
he is, She attacked his passion, She had attacked his art. Right,
he just made a slip. She had a second to
hit delete.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I thought you made such a good point that I
had not thought about. Timothy Chalome was talking. And when
you talk and you're on a you got a microphone on,
you're talking to a bud. Yes there were cameras, Yes
there was a live audience. But you might you might
say things that you regret or you didn't mean to
say it a certain way. When you type something, When
you write something and you send it out, that was
thought through, probably read twice or several times, and you
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made sure it was exactly what you wanted to say,
and then you hit send. It's a big difference. It's
a big difference.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Last couple here, another New York City ballet making fairchild said,
it's not even this one's.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, go ahead, you take it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's not even the idea that he dissed ballet and
opera that bothers me. It's the suggestion that he had
the talent and aptitude to pursue these Olympic level artistic
fields in the first place. Timmy, I didn't realize you
were a world class dancer or opera who simply chose
not to pursue it because acting's more popular. Exclamation point,
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what wow? That would beyond anger? That was mean up.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
This is their life, this is their art, this is
their passion, this is everything to them, and they have struggled,
I'm sure on their way up in ways that maybe
Timothy Shallo may didn't right at least in their mind.
So they're hurt. Maybe they're angry as hell, and I'm
trying to leave space for that. But man, this does
not help. It does not in picking a side. If
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I didn't have a side at all, I mean, do
I go, I don't know who you put your arms around?
Do we have to pick a side? I just you
know how I am robes this always we have opportunities
in conversations, and we always fail, even when it comes
to freaking. A guy who played a ping pong player
in an opera singer even that, not even politics robes
I know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I know, And I was just thinking. You know, Timothy Schallamey,
I know he went to LaGuardia High School here in
New York City and they you are exposed to all
the different arts. Is it's a school here in the
city where you've got acting and singing and dancing and
fine arts and visual arts, and you know, so he
he was around. Yes, it's the fame school he was.
My point is he has been exposed and has been
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around artists, so maybe he felt more comfortable like talking
about the different types of uh way, the different ways
you express your art, and it just this is a community.
He knows he is a part of it. I just
I hate to see this get so divisive and people
get so offended, and I think, finally that ballet dancers, Sarah,
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I'm trying to murn's okay, Yeah, sorry, I couldn't see
that again, just went low. I would like to challenge
Timothy chalome to get in a studio with me and
create and be a part of something that has stood
the test of time. Show your mother the respects she
deserves me.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Come after Mama.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a she went there on.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
That was a choice. Lose on Mama there. Who knows.
I don't know how this is going to turn out road.
It's just even this got nasty. Even Timothy Schallo may
he played Ping Pong in a movie. He might win
an oscar. He's dating a Kardashian, for God's sakes. This
is the guy.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Take it. I mean, look, I do appreciate the folks
who did take advantage of his He is a phenomenon.
He is a global phenomenon. He just mentioned ballet an
opera now and the way you wanted him to take advantage,
to use it to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We have never done a Timothy Schaalomey episode until this
came up.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I don't think we've talked about ballet or opera even
though we went. Maybe we talked about our fun time
at the mat that one night. But yes, I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Haven't even seen a Timothy Chalomey movie. We're about to
try Dune. My plane landed before I could get through it.
So I'm a fan of this dude because of what
he's done, and now they're making me an even bigger fan.
Oh goodness. Sorry, folks, we appreciate you as always. Just
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want to hop on and get this off my chest.
On a Sunday wherever you may be. Hope you are
having a good one. We'll talk to you so o
Hey, that folks say is Sunday, March eighth, one week away,
possibly from Timothy shallow May picking up an oscar for
Best Actor. But before he gets to that stage, he
is going to have to get through some pissed off
ballet dancers and opera singers. And with that, welcome to
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this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Roapes.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm not sure how they're coming after Timothy's shallo May.
This is a this is a beef in the arts.
Is this what it looks like?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes? Unfortunately, Look, I believe he said these comments a
couple of weeks ago, but they have just been trickling
out and now it's reached a fever pitch. And this
is a very important time for any actor who is
leading up to the Oscars. Of course, they're on these
campaign pitches and they're out there and they're doing interviews
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because they're revving up excitement about their movie that's been
nominated or their role that's been nominated. And Timothy s
Challomay was just shooting it with Matthew McConaughey and at
town Hall and maybe just was a little too unguarded.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, it was in articulate, it was not well thought out.
But it's not the end of the world. But it is.
If you listen to a lot of folks in the arts,
we get it. So so back up here, you've probably
seen a lot of the headlines. I think some of
these things are cool. I haven't watched them, but some
of the pairings are cool. Variety started putting actors together.
It's called actors on actors, right. There have been some
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cool pairings that I've seen that I haven't stopped and
watched any of them, but it looks what Adam Sandler
and Ariana Grande did one together. I remember the images,
but this is what this was. Timothy Chalamey and Matthew mcconnie.
That's kind of a cool pairing as well.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, I love it because when you have someone who
has been through it, or who knows what you've been through,
there's just a level of trust and a conversation that
can be at a different level than when it's from
a journalist or somebody who's trying to get answers. There's
a comfort level, there's a trust level, and you end
up getting really fascinating conversations because everyone feels comfortable. The
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problem is when you feel comfortable, maybe you say things
that aren't politically correct.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And look, this is the first one I've seen Robes
that they had a studio audience for. They set this
one up kind of as a town hall. Yes, these
actors are a big enough deal that you would do that,
So it was very casual in this whole setup. Now, Robes,
you heard the comments. I think a lot of people
have probably more read the comments than listen to them.
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We're going to let you all hear them here in
just a second. It's a fifty eight second clip. We'll
give you the right context. Let me get your opinion
first of all, Robes, just in hearing the whole thing
and the whole context, is the uproar, the criticism, the
outrage to a certain degree warranted.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't think so. I think people need to take
themselves a little less seriously and recognize that everyone is
entitled to an opinion, and it's okay even if it's
a fact that ballet audiences and opera audiences might be dwindling. Look,
I don't know the numbers. I don't know what it's
relative to. I know that I love the show The
Gilded Age, where everything is about the opera and when
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the met came about, and that was the big highlight
of the week, The big social event of the week
was to go to the opera. Times have changed, and
I think he was referencing changing times, changing behavior. And
really they were specifically talking about the attention span of
younger audiences, how movies are getting shorter, and talking about
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dying brands of art. I understand it in the context.
He was being honest and he had some facts to
back up what he was saying. For folks to get
so upset in the opera and ballet communities, Look, that's
one of those things where when you get triggered, you
have to, instead of being upset about the person who
said something, ask yourselves why you took such offense to it.
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Why was that so offensive to you? Why were you
so triggered? I think both sides need to ask themselves
some questions.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That is okay when you put it that, that is
a very diplomatic and therapeutic way to look at this
whole situation. You're right, he struck the nerve robes because
he said something that's actually probably right. He said it
in the wrong way. Now, I will say he and
he didn't have to mention. This had nothing to do,
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but he made a point and he used ballet and
opera to make it, and they probably don't appreciate being
that example for what he was saying.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And I think also to your point, I think where
you were going with is Timothy Chalomay is at the
top of his game. He is the it boy, he
is the goat. He is just kind of everything. So
when you're on top of your mountain, you have to
be very careful not to take shots at people who
might be in valley.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Let's let you hear it and we'll get her on
the other side here. But this is him sitting talking
to Matthew McConaughey. They have a small studio audience around them. Again,
the conversation was about how I mean they were actually
saying Act two's are moving up. They're making a point
about movies and shows that producers and studios don't. They say,
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people have short attention spans, so we don't have time
for building the story with an act one. We got
to get right to the action in act two. That
was the setup to this conversation. He was making the
point and I think is a good one robes that
if you have a higher piece of art, that if
you have a very serious movie, you almost have to
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promote it as such and let people know what you're
going into otherwise you'll lose.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Them, correct, And I think that is a fair way
to look at it. We see our kids, We see
everybody with these short attention spans. They won't even finish
a song. My daughters will move on because they're like, eh,
I'm done with this song. You look and see how
people scroll. You watch half a video on board now
swipe up, And that is absolutely translated to what people
will and won't go sit through at a movie theater,
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let alone a live theater event.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So he's making a point about his career and moving forward.
Do I want to be a guy who's doing these
more serious things and trying to keep an art alive
or keep a movie theater alive. That is the context
for the conversation. And this, though, is the comment and
the answer that you got mister Timothy Jaalam in Trouble No.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
But point being, I think, even like Frankenstein, which is
like a hugely popular movie this year, I didn't think
that pacing was extraordinarily fast or anything, but it pulled
people in, you know, but it does take you having
a wave of flag of hey, this is a serious
movie or something, and some people want to be entertained
and quickly. I'm really right in the middle of Matthew
because I admire people and I've done it myself. Do
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you want to talk to about, Hey, we got to
keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep
this genre alive. And another part of me feels like
if people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer,
they're going to go see it and go out of
their way to be loud and proud of about it.
And I don't want to be working in ballet or
opera or you know, things where it's like, hey, keep
this thing alive. Even though he cares about this, all
respect to the ballet and opera people out there. I
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just lost fourteen cents in viewership. But I just took
shots for no reason.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's no shot.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I hear what you say.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, so okay, you see where he realized he misspoke,
He got uncomfortable, He did a fake little opera singing
at the end. There. The fourteen cents was a low blow.
That was a shot he shouldn't have said that, correct, Now,
that's the one I would say you should probably apologize.
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But that's the one that was a shot.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I thought, can I can I tell you something funny
about that specific moment. I Look, we'll get into all
the response, and there has been a tremendous amount of it.
But the one I really appreciated came from the Seattle Opera.
They're offering fourteen percent off tickets for its production of Carmen.
If you use the promo code, Timothy, that is.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How you respond. That is the right way to respond.
They had fun with it. Who is there's another one
that invited him to a show giving her tickets. Right,
That is how you go about it, Seattle.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I applaud you all for doing it. People are talking
about ballet and opera right now in a way that
they don't get it. Take advantage of the moment, Take
advantage by being fun, making fun of your soulful of
being self deprecating, understanding how gets extending an invitation, robes
and the reactions you're talking about, going after him personally,
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going after his character. This is the kind of person
he is. You need to apologize to your mother. These
are the high profile people. I'm not even talking about
regular responses his mother.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To that point, his mother was a ballet performer.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His family, he knows.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Look, there's a part of it. Yes, I loved the
tongue in cheek and I liked what you said. Take
advantage of a moment where people are talking about ballet
and opera. When's the last time people in the mainstream
have been talking about ballet or opera. So look at
it as an opportunity, a way for it to now
be something people are maybe either rediscovering or looking at
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for the very first time, because there needs to be
an acknowledgment. This isn't some big art form that people
talk about going to often.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Look, we went to have access to by the way, correct.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I actually got tickets to the Met for the first
time when Annie was still in high school. It was
an auction and you and I went. Is the first
time I'd ever been to the opera in my life.
You and I both went and had one of the
best times of our lives.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And it happened to be a opera we didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
We didn't know I was and it was the first
black opera. Correct, Met, It was amazing. But the point being,
we we live in New York City, we can afford tickets,
We are exposed to the arts, and you and I
had never been in my adult life or at any
point in my life, I've never been invited to the opera.
I never even thought about going to the opera, to
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be honest. So this is an option and an opportunity
for people to actually be exposed to something. Look at
it from that perspective and acknowledge it isn't on the
forefront of most people's minds when they think about what
they want to do for.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The weekend, and what do most people maybe think about
it when they think about ballet and opera something that's
not within my reach, not just as a matter of
getting there paying to get there, but it seems, quite frankly,
robes something for the elites.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It does because it has been because.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
This isn't for me. This isn't something I'm invited to
or welcome to, or this isn't something that comes to
my neighborhood. And all the people on stage don't look
like me. Thank you, Missy Copeland. Right, That's why she
was such a big deal and a mainstream artist, because
she looked different and she made it more relatable. So
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it doesn't help in my opinion. Robes. In some of
these answers and responses to Timothy Shallow, may I look
and go, oh, they are elites.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And it's so funny because they're calling him an elitist.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Hey, wait what some of the responses you have to
leave room, Robes. The talent of these folks is leus,
to be clear, is off the course freaking charts. And
they have been at this, most of them since they
were babies. We respect that and always want to respect
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that art. Robes. It doesn't it now certainly doesn't seem
like a place that most of us would be welcome
unless you what we have to talk about it the
exact way we can respect and can't we respect that
art but also the respect there's a reality to it
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right, Yes, And I think that's the point. They're out
of touch with reality in the sense that they're what
he said isn't untrue, and so why not take it,
have a conversation about it, and try to find a
way to be more inclusive and to make it more
relevant and to have it be a part of something
that folks feel like Hey, this could be fun to
be exposed to. And here's why it's cool. Today people
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think of it as a lost art form one hundred percent,
as something of days before, and also to your point,
just completely inaccessible and not something that is even considered,
and it isn't. It doesn't have anything to do with
the talent, the hard work, the beauty, the table the
respect of the art form, which is all of the above.
(12:30):
So yeah, this has taking a turn that is unfortunate
for everybody. It's unfortunate for Timothy Shalomey. It's unfortunate for
the ballet and opera world as well, because mostly because
of the reaction to Chala May's comments.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And let's start with I think the New York the
Met kind of got the ball rolling in a major way.
And I didn't think what they put out was necessarily
negative or going after him. But they put a video
rogues not highlighting the performers, but highlighting the people behind
the scenes and all the work that goes into preparing
for a show and say, hey, Timothy, this one's for you.
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I get that, but he wasn't taking a shot at
those folks. I get that one wasn't so bad, but
he wasn't taking a shot at them, but that kind
of got things going in robes. From there, it seemed
like every opera house from here across the pond and
all some of the biggest names in that world started
to responding yes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And the reaction has been swift. It's been fierce, fierce.
Even SNL took a shot at Chalo May as well
on Saturday Night Live last night, actually, which I was
kind of surprised, but they made a point to make
a joke saying Timothy Chalomey has been criticized by major
opera and ballet organizations after he said no one cares
about those art forms. Well, then they said Chalomey made
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the comment on a press tour for his movie about
Ping Pong, and then they all started laughing, so you know,
they gave a little perspective and their point of view.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's this whole conversation is making the point that he
was making in that we we don't value the arts.
That's true, we don't. Everybody we agree. He made that
point in a way that offended you, but he's making
a point that we all agree with. Case endpoint. Exhibit
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A. A guy from a movie just mentions your art and
you're getting more pressed than you have in the past year.
That is how little we value your art versus his art.
That's the point. He said it wrong. Let's have that conversation, please.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's such a good way to put it. He did.
It wasn't a well thought out response. I will say though,
it's interesting now. People are of course all everybody wants
to jump on and pile on and find someone to
blame because we don't want to talk about maybe what
should be discussed about how we can value the arts better,
how we can have a more inclusive community. Let's just
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completely throw whatever we can on Timothy Shalome And people
are digging up other interviews that he's given in the past.
He has referenced this before. This isn't the first time
he's talked about opera or ballet being a dead art form.
He has said it multiple times in multiple interviews. For
some reason, this time was his undoing.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, people don't like it being said that away. Certainly,
people who are working and thriving, even very successful in
those arts, see it differently. He didn't have the numbers.
He didn't have right, if he'd come with some facts
to back it, up. Maybe they would have helped him out.
But stay here, folks. We'll let you hear some of
these words again from folks who are going after him,
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saying he should apologize to his mother. Folks are saying
this shows everything about his character. Even stay here, all right,
we continue here on this Sunday, a week from Oscar Sunday. Right,
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I got that right. Timothy Shallow may might be walking
across that stage to win an Oscar for Best Actor.
I hope he does a little ballet move as it
goes across.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
You know. I wonder what he seriously though. I mean,
that would actually be kind of awesome, be perfect. But
he's gonna walk the red carpet. I would imagine he's
going to get asked about this by virtually every Maybe
some people will be respectful and the excitement of the
day and they'll back away. But I wouldn't be surprised
if someone goes there and calls him out and asks him.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
About it, and maybe he has a better answer for
maybe he says it in a more articulate way. Maybe
whatever it may be, but the story is what it is.
When the first thing that got me, I just sometimes
it feels not necessarily authentic when it comes from certain area,
it feels like we're just taking advantage of a moment
and to beat up on the kid because we have
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the attention right now and we can. Some of it
felt that way and some didn't. I think you can
genuinely be offended by what he said and hate the
you know, almost make your shoulders go down a little bit.
You're slunk down in your seat, like, oh, this is
the thing I dedicate my life to. And a guy
who's a really big deal just pointed out that my
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art isn't a big deal. That stings like, hell.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, I think you know. If he had said, you know,
the dying art form hit a nerve, But to say
no one cares, that's that's tough. And he was being flippant.
I mean, he's in his twenties, his early twenties. He's
he's old enough to probably know better, but you could
also say young enough to not recognize how one missed
way of describing something can set off a whole chain
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of events.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And we should say he does not get in trouble
as much as he is very much publican out there
and then MA cameras in his face, dating a Kardashian
and he has stayed fairly clean, has he not contramarkable?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But yes, and look, I think it's so important to
say everybody calmed down the ballet and opera world. I
think again, you can just you can be offended, you
can be sad, you can feel like, wow, he really
went there, and then maybe think, Okay, let's do better
at marketing ourselves. Let's do better at bringing this to
the world in a different way where people don't feel
like it's out of reach and out of touch. Perhaps
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and not with the times there are. This is an
opportunity and not one necessarily to throw stones across the
way and to go to start pointing fingers. That's when
it gets ugly. But yes, even the roy then they
start going into defense mode about how important ballet and
opera is and that also isn't maybe necessarily gonna land
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the way they want it to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Who's the audience for it, exactly, I would ask. I
mean it might be their own audience. They're in their
own world, and that is also okay. Royal Ballet and
Opera coming out with this saying ballet and opera have
never existed in isolation. They have continually informed, inspired, and
elevated other art forms. Their influence can be felt across theater, film,
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contemporary music, fashion, and beyond. For centuries, these disciplines have
shaped the way artists create an audience experienced culture, and
today millions of people around the world continue to enjoy
and engage with them. Well done, fine that it's always
worth pointing out the Royal ballet and opera. I have
not looked at your website in years, and I am
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now paying attention. That's a good thing to remind us
all of that. I like that statement.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I do too, and it's just yes, it's an opportunity.
They took advantage of it to talk about how wonderful
opera and ballet are. Great. Opera, tonight wrote, opera has
been around since the sixteenth century and is still alive
and well today. They later added this, what a shame,
This is just Timothy Chalome. What a shame that you
don't have respect.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
For other art forms?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Its top Okay, it's a little spanking right there. Oh,
you don't have unnecessary unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's how they feel. They feel they know him well
enough to know he doesn't respect any other art form
other than movie star.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Okay, okay. Isabelle Leonard big, big big.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
She's a Grammy winner, three time Grammy winner, operation singly. Yeah,
she is a big deal.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So she went there.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, this was strong, she said.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Honestly, I'm shocked that someone so seemingly successful can be
so ineloquent and narrow minded in his views about art
while considering himself as an artist. I would only imagine
one would as an actor to take cheap shots at
fellow artists, says more in this interview than anything else
he could say, shows a lot about his character. You
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don't have to like all art, but only a weak
person artist feels the need to diminish, in fact, the
very arts that would inspire those who are interested in
slowing down to do exactly that.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I didn't understand that last part. It was a little ineloquent,
she might say, but I didn't understand what she was saying.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
It is interesting, do you think when people take shots
that other people don't recognizing that they're actually taking shots
for the exact same reasons the other person did so
to call him weak for taking a shot at an artist,
that is exactly what she is doing right back to him.
I just always think It's interesting in those moments where
you can't even see that your reaction is actually on
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the same.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Level and to what you're saying here, I am I
am focused on it because she actually wrote it down.
This wasn't right. I don't think she wrote this out,
So there's no other way to kind of interpret or whatever.
It is the point she is calling him the exact
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thing she's complaining about being called exactly. So what do
we do ro This is the problem. And some of
these are where it's difficult in these who gets to
be the adult who gets to if someone does something wrong?
Can you meet them not at that wrong level, but
up a little bit and possibly elevate them up with you?
Is it possible? We don't have to go down and
meet Timothy where he is. Let's bring him up a
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little bit and elevate the conversation because it she took
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, oh she was. She was hurt. She was angry
and hurt. People hurt, and that's exactly what she did.
And he wasn't meaning to personally offend or hurt any
of these folks. That is that is absolutely true. He
was trying to make a point about attention spans dwindling
audiences and wanting to be with with where future trends
are versus staying in the past, where we hold on
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to certain things because we want them to stay the same.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
He said it the wrong way. He said it the
wrong absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So couldn't she have just been like I know that
in his heart, he couldn't have meant what he said.
I recognize we have some work to do on getting
the word out about how beautiful opera is. Like you
could just have taken that stance.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Or didn't have to go she had to say I'm
pissed and that hurt. If you would have said that,
I would have gone, Okay, I feel you and that sister. Yeah,
she attacked him. She attacked his character, She attacked who
he is, She attacked his passion, She had attacked his art. Right,
he just made a slip. She had a second to
hit delete.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I thought you made such a good point that I
had not thought about. Timothy Chalome was talking. And when
you talk and you're on a you got a microphone on,
you're talking to a bud. Yes there were cameras, Yes
there was a live audience. But you might you might
say things that you regret or you didn't mean to
say it a certain way. When you type something, When
you write something and you send it out, that was
thought through, probably read twice or several times, and you
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made sure it was exactly what you wanted to say,
and then you hit send. It's a big difference. It's
a big difference.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Last couple here, another New York City ballet making fairchild said,
it's not even this one's.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, go ahead, you take it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
It's not even the idea that he dissed ballet and
opera that bothers me. It's the suggestion that he had
the talent and aptitude to pursue these Olympic level artistic
fields in the first place. Timmy, I didn't realize you
were a world class dancer or opera who simply chose
not to pursue it because acting's more popular. Exclamation point,
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what wow? That would beyond anger? That was mean up.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
This is their life, this is their art, this is
their passion, this is everything to them, and they have struggled,
I'm sure on their way up in ways that maybe
Timothy Shallo may didn't right at least in their mind.
So they're hurt. Maybe they're angry as hell, and I'm
trying to leave space for that. But man, this does
not help. It does not in picking a side. If
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I didn't have a side at all, I mean, do
I go, I don't know who you put your arms around?
Do we have to pick a side? I just you
know how I am robes this always we have opportunities
in conversations, and we always fail, even when it comes
to freaking. A guy who played a ping pong player
in an opera singer even that, not even politics robes
I know.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I know, And I was just thinking. You know, Timothy Schallamey,
I know he went to LaGuardia High School here in
New York City and they you are exposed to all
the different arts. Is it's a school here in the
city where you've got acting and singing and dancing and
fine arts and visual arts, and you know, so he
he was around. Yes, it's the fame school he was.
My point is he has been exposed and has been
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around artists, so maybe he felt more comfortable like talking
about the different types of uh way, the different ways
you express your art, and it just this is a community.
He knows he is a part of it. I just
I hate to see this get so divisive and people
get so offended, and I think, finally that ballet dancers, Sarah,
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I'm trying to murn's okay, Yeah, sorry, I couldn't see
that again, just went low. I would like to challenge
Timothy chalome to get in a studio with me and
create and be a part of something that has stood
the test of time. Show your mother the respects she
deserves me.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Come after Mama.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
That's a she went there on.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
That was a choice. Lose on Mama there. Who knows.
I don't know how this is going to turn out road.
It's just even this got nasty. Even Timothy Schallo may
he played Ping Pong in a movie. He might win
an oscar. He's dating a Kardashian, for God's sakes. This
is the guy.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Take it. I mean, look, I do appreciate the folks
who did take advantage of his He is a phenomenon.
He is a global phenomenon. He just mentioned ballet an
opera now and the way you wanted him to take advantage,
to use it to your advantage.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
We have never done a Timothy Schaalomey episode until this
came up.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
I don't think we've talked about ballet or opera even
though we went. Maybe we talked about our fun time
at the mat that one night. But yes, I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Haven't even seen a Timothy Chalomey movie. We're about to
try Dune. My plane landed before I could get through it.
So I'm a fan of this dude because of what
he's done, and now they're making me an even bigger fan.
Oh goodness. Sorry, folks, we appreciate you as always. Just
(27:04):
want to hop on and get this off my chest.
On a Sunday wherever you may be. Hope you are
having a good one. We'll talk to you so o
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