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March 13, 2026 17 mins

After being captured at the Battle of the Bulge, Master Sergeant Roddie Edmonds unexpectedly became the commanding officer of 1,200 American POWs. The Nazis demanded that he present the Jewish American soldiers to them and his heroic response risked his own life—and ultimately saved over 200 Jewish lives! The newly announced Medal of Honor recipient will teach you what real moral courage looks like. 

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Everybody's still courting with an army and normal folks. Welcome
in to the shop. Hey, Alex, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I got a raging headache, Phil, but it's good to
see you.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's good to see you too. I'm glad you're here,
getting up at three thirty in the morning and forgetting
our audio equipment. So this is not going to sound right.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I've been recording this through Microsoft Teams, so if
you do not, it's a difference.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It is all my fault. Where is our recording device, Alex.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's sitting on my living room table right now. I'll
pack in Oxford.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
So everybody, if the audio sounds a little weird on
this shove talk, you got to forgive us, and forgive Alex.
He's been pulling triple duty, run around setting up our
army and normal folks service club all over the country
and trying to run the show and get guests here.
So Alex, I'm actually taking up for you. I'm not

(01:06):
gonna break your balls too hard. Although this is weird
doing this on teams.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I know, but hey, number number ninety five, you got
an your numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's it. Ninety five is a defensive the end, So
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I don't know a ninety five, but it's a defensive end,
all right, So I guess we'll start with football first.
Richard Dutt Ye say Earth, Richard da defensive end for
the Chicgo Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Charles Hayley, Charles Salley for the San Francisco forty nine ers, say.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Can that's your daisy? If I'm saying, is there right? Oh,
I've heard of him before. Can that your daisy?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I don't know that one. No, And then Martin Luther
is ninety five pieces. Oh well, there you have that. Okay.
So Shop Talk number ninety five, everybody's about a guy
named Rodny Edmonds, a normal guy who did something. So
that's that. I'm going just you shunsh is a normal

(02:11):
guy who did something extraordinary that it took eight decades
for the country to fully catch up on. And we're
going to talk about that right after these brief messages
from our general sponsors. All right, everybody, welcome back to

(02:42):
the shop. Shop Talk number ninety five being done via teams.
And although it is being done via teams, Alex is
only about forty feet from me in another room, so
we don't get feedback and we're doing it on teams
because Alex left are all our recording stuff on his
coffee table. So if the audio sounds a little different

(03:05):
there with us, but we are so committed to bring
you a weekly shop talk that we're doing it this way,
and we're going to talk about Roddy Edmunds. Roddy Edmunds
is a normal guy. He did something so extraordinary that
it took eight decades for our country to fully catch
up and officially call what he did what it accurately

(03:28):
is heroism. His name was Master Sergeant Roddy Edmunds, and
he is now a Medal of Honor recipient. By the way,
I have often said, and I hear many people say
Medal Honor winner, and I think it's important to distinguish

(03:49):
that nobody wins the Medal of Honor, they receive it
the recipients. It's actually very important because rarely when there's
a Medal of Honor recipient, noted was or not death
surrounding it. So it's very important that we don't talk
about people winning the Medal of Honor but receiving recognition

(04:14):
for their heroism and solid the lot of yes and
not at all. So Master Sergeant Roddy Edmonds is now
a Medal of Honor recipient posthumously because of what he
did as a pow in Nazi Germany. But here's the thing.

(04:34):
He didn't do it for a medal. He didn't do
it for attention, and he didn't even tell his own
family about it once he returned home. He did what
he did because a moment came, we're doing the right
thing was going to cost him something, and he decided
it was worth paying. It was World War Two. Edmunds

(04:55):
and his unit were captured at the Battle of the
Bulge and taken to a German pow camp Stollig nine
A in Ziegenheim, Germany or Ziegenhahn. Not sure I pronounce it,
but it's z I e g e n h a
I in.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You're actually crushed it the first time. It is Zigenhangen
Ziegenhangen Germany.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Perfect. Inside that camp, Edmunds becomes the senior non commissioned officer,
which is the top ranked enlisted man responsible for twelve
hundred American prisoners. Now, if you've ever held leadership, when
you don't control the environment, when you don't control the rules,

(05:38):
the food, the safety, the consequences, you know, to understand
what it means to be that leader. Leadership and comfort
is not e can be easy, but leadership and captivity
is a whole different animal. And the leadership and captivity
in are Nazis, well, that was something else entirely. It
was January nineteen forty five. The German commandant gives Edmunds

(06:02):
an order have all the Jewish soldiers present, present themselves
the next morning. And everybody listening knows exactly what that meant.
That wasn't paperwork, That wasn't we're reorganizing the bonks. That
was a separation order that could have led to an
execution or death camps of Jewish American prisoners of war.

(06:23):
So Edmund does something brilliant and simple. He tells the
camp tomorrow morning, everyone lines up, not the Jewish soldiers,
all of us, twelve hundred Americans standing shoulder to shoulder.
And the commandant comes out furious. He pulls a pistol.
He presses that Edmund said, and he demands again, tell
me who the Jews are. Master Sergeant Roddy Admuns says

(06:46):
the line that should be carved into his stone. We
are all shoes here then he reminds the commandade of
something the Nazis didn't like to hear. The Geneva Convention
only required prisoners to give their name, rank, and serial number,
not religion, and at the end of the war, he
will be prosecuted for this war crime. Incredibly, incredibly, the

(07:10):
commandant back down, and in that one decision, edmund saved
the lives of nearly two hundred of the twelve hundred
American captive soldiers that were Jewish, by some accounts, maybe
even more so. Let's just think about that. He didn't
know if the Nazis would shoot him and then start
sorting the line anyway. He didn't know if the men

(07:32):
behind him would live. He didn't know if the men
behind him would stay in line and not get the
Jewish soldiers up to protect their own lives. He just
knew this. They're going to take his men. They're going
to have to take all of them. Roddy Edmunds came
home after the war, and like a lot of the
Greatest Generation, he went back to work, He went back
to life. He didn't talk about what he did, no

(07:53):
book tour, no speeches. He didn't even tell his own family.
He passed away in nineteen eighty five, and after that,
his son Chris Edmonds, was going through his father's Bible
and personal papers and cyber notes about the pow camp
names and details. Greg started tracking those names down. One

(08:14):
of the many contacted was a Jewish soldier named Lester Tanner,
one of the men in that line. Tanner went on
to become a successful lawyer and businessman in New York.
At one point, Tanner sold his home to Richard Nixon
after Watergate, when many people didn't want to sell it
to him. The New York Times were to shore peace
about the sale, and buried in that article, almost like

(08:37):
a footnote, was a single line mentioning that Tanner had
survived a Nazi pow camp because an American master sergeant
had refused to identify Jewish soldiers, a tiny line that
caught Chris's attention. He caught Tanner, and Tanner told him
the full story. That's how Chris learned about the heroism
of his dad. A son reading his Bible. I'll sell

(09:02):
one newspaper line. That's how one of the greatest acts
of moral courage in World War Two resurfaced. Decades later,
Chris reflects on his sad courage with a powerful line
that my dad had already died to Christ, so he
wasn't afraid of an earthly death. What does that have

(09:23):
to do with us? Most of us won't have a
pistol press to our head, but life will ask us
the same version of the same question. Will you protect
others when it could cost you? Will you take a
stand when it's inconvenient or maybe even unsafe? Will you
take a stand when I'm popular? Will you take a
stand when it might make you the target? Roddy Edmonds

(09:46):
didn't save lives because he had power. He saved lives
because he had courage, moral courage. He's the only thing
he had left. So here's the challenge. Here's today's shop
talk challenge. The world is someone being separated, othered, pushed out.
What would it look like for you to say, we're

(10:08):
all blank here, we're all black here, we're all Jewish here,
we're all Hispanic here, we're all Republican here, we're all
Democrat here, we're all that here. Something that's different than

(10:28):
how you identify this very minute at work, at school,
in your community. Because that sentence wasn't just about religion.
It's about solidarity, It's about refusing to let fear decide
who deserves protection. That's what normal folks like us can do.
And a literal army of them, in Roddy's case, saved

(10:49):
over two hundred lives. What could a million man army
of normal folks in the United States do in changing
lives if we could all just understand we're all blank here.
Pretty awesome, mister Corteo's.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's amazing. I've actually gotten to be friends with Chris,
his son. I spent some time with him. Yeah, I
was really tickled this week. On Sunday night, I got
a text from Chris. Hey, Alex, this is Chris Edmonds.
I meant to let you know that my father is
receiving the Medal of Honor tomorrow, Praise the Lord. Like

(11:35):
Chris has been on this crusade that's probably not the
right word, but for the last decade, like he has
committed his life to telling his dad story, Like he
wrote a whole book about it that you know, some HarperCollins,
And he's been traveling the country telling his dad story. Actually,
at one point, what Obama was president, they had a
ceremony I think actually at the Israeli embassy with Obama,

(11:57):
Ned and Yahoo and Steven Spielberg.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
They're all honoring.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Chris's dad and he's maybe he was the first American
soldier who was named was called the Righteous among the nations.
It's this like really distinguished honor from Yad Vishen, Israel's
Holocaust museum, and he was the first American soldier named it. Yeah,
it's because Chris, you know, discover the story. He tracked
it down, like got in touch with all these guys.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I think he.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Probably got to know at least five or ten of
the people whose lives his dad, you know, saved eventually,
and you know it's going to work in this for
over a decade at this point. And finally just this
week is Toad receive the Medal of Honor. That is
fantastic And you know, we're all blank here. Can you

(12:41):
imagine the walls and the dysfunction.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
That that breaks down, And how uniquely American just that
line is, we're all Jews here, We're all whatever here.
God Lee, that's inspiring.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So on that same point, here at the camp, the
Pow camp they were at, they were like figuring out
how to hold Catholic ceremonies and Jewish ceremonies. Like I
think there was like four or five different dominations they
had figured out how to have ceremonies there at the
FOW camp.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Okay, everybody, Shop Talk number five ninety five? What's that
ninety five? You said five, Shop Talk number ninety five.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Of course I could have said ninety five, and it
could be this horrible audio we have, and you didn't
hear me say ninety five. Of course that could be
fixed if you wouldn't have left it on your coffee table.
All right, Shop Talk number ninety five, everybody. Master Sergeant
Roddy Edmunds eighty years ago challenged us to think about this.

(13:47):
We are all blank here, and we can't be an
army of normal folks with all of our different cultures
and thoughts and phase and everything else without understanding that
as an army in normal folks, we got to be
all blank here in order to bind together and make

(14:07):
our country a better place. And I can't think of
anybody better than Master Sergeant Roddy Edmonds and the lesson
of what he did one day to save over two
hundred lives using more courage, risking his own life to
do the right thing as a lesson for how we
have to approach one another to grow this army in
normal folks change our country.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Can you imagine telling nobody this like the level of
humility that would take, Like I feel like I'm too
arrogant of a person. I would have told my spouse,
for my kids or some friends, like to tell nobody
the story is wild.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It is incredible to have just found out through a
newspaper article. Yeah, I mean, here's the other thing. Those
two hundred people, let's say eighty percent of them got
mayor and had children, So that's one hundred and sixty
and each of them had two children. That's three hundred

(15:06):
and twenty who each had two children. That's six hundred
and forty. You get it. Exponentially, those lives he saved
touches thousands of lives today, and that it's just incredible
to think about. You know what that act of heroism

(15:29):
and moral courage with the legacy, the human legacy that
that act left behind. And it also goes to say,
what if a million of us did that. Think of
the exponential touch, human touch that that work can have
across the landscape of our country over the next fifteen

(15:49):
twenty years. It's pretty phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So actually, that's I interviewed when I did this in
the past, two people who got married because this it's
like one guy's I'm gonna screw this up now. But
one guy came home because he was the one of
the Jewish laders they saved and his best friend during
the war.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
He ended up marrying that guy's sister.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's like and even I just asked chatcha meto quickly
they said, likely two thousand and five thousand people are
living today because of Yeah, that want to.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Act you there's the numbers. Crazy all right, everybody, that's
shop Talk number ninety five. Master Sergeant Roddy Edmunds, a
man exhibiting moral courage and heroism in a way that
should inspire us the way to live by and just
sign off. Let's all just remember we're all blank here

(16:46):
shop Talk number ninety five. Thanks for joining us. If
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